huge bonham influence here, at one point he takes a lick straight from the studio version of moby dick(1:25). Good drummer, pridgren is amazing too though so either way u wanna go its cool.
@pascalzifffhume Yeh, he's a huge bonham fan, he plays an oversized set, and I actually feel like this whole song Eunuch Provocateur is an homage to achilles last stand by zep.
@pascalzifffhume I think everyone in rock music who takes a drum solo these days has to be aware of the fact that at the end of the day, everyone's gonna compare then to John Bonham, even unconsciously. And with good reason.
love the mars volta. but shannon lucas is easily one of the best drummers today. hes a completely different style but hes nasty. theodore is a beast as well
Theodore fans- stop with the condescending opinions about taste and who "feels" the music more when it comes to Pridgen vs Theodore. Thomas and Jon both played the music as they felt it, and if you can't feel Pridgens passion when he plays it because you're too busy hating how many notes he plays, you're as clueless as people who hate however many less notes Theodore plays than Pridgen. Music is not about how many notes you may OR MAY NOT play, thus more notes doesn't always mean less feel
These arguments crack me up! Pridgen or Theodore? They both kick ass! And should be admired for their own styles individualy, fuck ! 6 or a half dozen!
i think its ok that he slows down and loses some of the band's energy. its his solo, his time to show off his shit, and if thats what he wants to do its great. and it kind of draws you in
Holy crap does Dave Elitch have some big shoes to fill or what? But what I have seen I really like Dave. He seems to have a style similar to Theodore's only slightly more powerful. But we won't really know what hes made of until the Volta release their next album.
John Theodore will forever be THE Mars Volta drummer. Its ashame he left. Such a powerful and amazing drummer. Pridgen is good, but there is just something about John.
actually I do know what I am talking about, I have 2 signed recording contracts and 3 endorsements. I am a professional. and have been trained by some of the best drummers on our planet so please go fuck yourself and while you are fucking yourself start listening to real drummers who actually have dynamics and feel.
i honestly believe the drums on bedlam are untoucbale and its my favorite album i like pridgens more than theodores....but i love theodore in one day as a lion
theodore is a fukin machine, his high hat is always so perfectly timed. Pridgen is wild and cannot be tamed. Dunno why but i prefer theodore, spose i can identify more with his style. 1 luv
To the whole better fit thing, there is no better fit as The Mars Volta is always changing. If anything, Jon Theodore didn't fit with the band in the new direction they were headed, which was an unforgiving, relentless cacophony of sound.
Freakin love jon theodore. i like him better than pridgen. He sounds like John Bonham and Billy Cobham fused together. my top two favorite drummers. hes way funkier and groovier than pridgen.
I FUckin completly agree with u dude, they have a new new drummer now THomas Pridgon was fiiiiiiiiiired now its Dave Elitch even less talented then THomas pridgon and thomas pridgon is less talented than Jon Theodore soooooooooo TMV is going downhill ur right.
I would say that overall both are equally good in different ways... basically, pridgen is has better technique and is overall better trained and prepared because well he graduated one of the top music colleges at the age of 15 so he does have better technique and versatility.... but theodore is more musically mature, I mean he doesn't over elaborate like pridgen tends to and he is really good in more subtle ways. They both fit TMV great in different ways and I love both their styles
Thomas Pridgen really has no sense of phrasing. VERY JACK OFF TYPE DRUMMING. I will greatly miss Jon. He MADE THE BAND! I dont even listen to TMV now because the new drummer is so bad!!
i disagree, i think both are great for what its worth... they both bring something different to the table. and cedric and omar are always gonna keep it real so i love alllll of their stuff
@inimicalODDITY A lot of musicians become famous while in Berkelee and drop out to become full-time musicians (like John Mayer). Berkelee is more of a "connections" joint than anything, and once they meet the people they need they have no real reason to graduate.
@pinneappl Wow, I couldn't disagree more with everything you just said. Theodore is leagues better in almost every way than Pridgen. Pridgen lacks discipline and basically bashes on his drumset. He lacks depth and dimension to his playing.
@davidrush85 I can understand why you would say that.... but the thing is that although I do agree that theogore's playing in much more intricate and sofisticated, you should really pay actual attention to pridgen's drumming. In his fills he uses extensive and varied use of variations of the drum rudiments, which is a sign of being an educated drummer. his style is overall very complex and well thought out. The thing is that his style is oriented towards gospel, which is maybe what you dislike..
@pinneappl Appreciate your response! I can understand that Pridgen might appeal to formally trained drummers, but for me, I can only listen to the same patterns and solos for so-long...before I get bored. Thomas can solo; I'll give him that, but Jon is almost like Omar's drum counterpart. He is really in tune with the songs, and intuitively adds to the music. He knows when to fall back and when to get more complex. When I hear Jon's playing, I hear so many different influences-Pridgen-not somuch
lacks discipline?! pridgen went to berklee school of music when he was 15! he is in fact a trained musician but i can see how you would think otherwise.
im hoping he sounds incredible. the stuff i've heard him do on youtube is, imo, better than pridgen's. but thats just solo stuff. its all about the grooves in the album. and so far, theodore is king.
pridgeon is better but i still love jon theodore. both drummers have influenced me immensely volta is a totally different band now but i think the change is a good thing cause they are playing music of the future
i disagree prigden may be better at solos, but as a drummer myself theodore is has one of the best feels in rock. theodore is more creative in my opinion. the only thing pridgen is better at is solos. which really dont matter that much
He's playing an acrylic set? They sound terrible they are made mostly for hip hop. I like Jon but I prefer Thomas because he plays with a lot of energy too, but I think Jon wouldn't have been on board with Octahedron drums.
John Bonham and Nick Mason also played on acrylic, and all of the mars volta is played on acrylic...Acrylic is tipycally a vintage hard rock sound... absolutely not terrible.
I think they are both amazing, but Theodore fits with the Mars Volta better than Pridgen does. I absolutely love their music with Jon, but with Pridgen....its almost too much. so......in my opinion, I prefer Jon......but they are both still amazing
@ddobrilovic2 Blake Fleming wrote most of the drums for deloused through amputechture. So, all of the Pridgen haters and Jon lovers, get the facts straight.
@TheDesine of what, the original tracks? who knows. i know in an ionterview omar said he would show the beats to jon but he didnt tell jon the other drummer wrote him because he would feel bad.
@ddobrilovic2 I think Jon worked well for the albums that he played on and Thomas worked well for the albums that he played on...for the most part. By the time Thomas joined the band it was much looser, funkier, and more manic than the powerful progressive rock that they had been doing (at least on their first two albums). I could see Thomas playing on "Amputechture" as that album is more stylistically akin to "Bedlam..." and I could see Jon playing on "Octahedron" as it is more constrained.
Stupid to compare TP and JT, even though they played in the same band. JT is more about playing calmer things and sometimes putting in fast killer fills. TP is more about being energetic all they way through, it's his thing. Televators is a calm song, that's why TP don't play it as well as JT, but I seriously doubt that JT can perform as good as TP on for example Ilyena.
I agree immensely. Octahedron was a dumbed down joke. Technical skills though, pridgen is superior. John Theodore knew the music. Felt it more. Meticulously crafted his every drum stroke. He is just more tasteful. I don't want to see a drum battle between them though. I fear for Jon's life.
Exactly dude. Thomas started to play the drums when still in his father's balls. He must be one of the most technically skilled drummers out there. However, Theodore has all the feel, the music and the voodoo fire in him. He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays. For me JT >>>>>> TP.
I don't fully agree with your statement: "He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays". True that he doesn't overplay, but he's not playing like "a total savage". Jon is able to play calmer things and still make it really interesting to listen to even though he doesn't make crazy fills. Thomas has some energy issue which makes him wanna play a thousand beats per second. They're styles are not that equal to be fairly compared.
Hes a decent drummer, but omar writes all the music(besides the lyrics), and at the time thomas fit the high energy cedric and omar have. Which obviously was the right choice!
I know exactly what you mean. The drummers following him are extremely talented, but his style was most effectively. Case and Point, Deloused In the Comatorium.
in my perfect world both Jon and Thomas would be in the Volta. I prefer Jon's style when they're doing improv and jam sessions but I prefer Thomas's style when they're playing high intensity stuff. They're both awesome drummers and both easily fit w/ the style of music.
At this point I just hope Thomas lasts because I don't think I can deal with having to learn to love yet another drummer.......unless Jon wants to come back.
I love this video! His playing, his presence, the sound of his drums and his bombastic approach to drumming make Jon one of my all-time favorite drummers! I like his better than Thomas Pridgen, but I can't deny how good Thomas is as well!
i though his 14 tom just made it look small, but if you check out the other vids it loooks deeper, maybe he got another? acrylic drums are renound to crack
agreed. this guys good and he made some awesome music with the band, but i personally think pridgen is a better fit and a much more blastastic drummer.
He wasn't happy playing with them anymore. ANd because that brought the mood of the others down, CXedric fired him and Jon agreed it was the best for everyone.
I'm tired of Jon Thomas comparisons too. I keep telling them that it's homoerotic but no-one listens. It's got so I don't want to go to the damn PTA meetings anymore.
jon theodore is now in a two peice band playing drums, along with the singer from rage against the machine who does vocals and keyboard. they are called One day as a lion, and they are pretty deece
yeah but a bigger kit means more colors for your picture, u can be as creative as u want with your 6 colors... but if you give that same dude the crayola 300 box set i promise it'll be better
I've seen Bozzio play that thing a few times, and I've seen Peart on a giant kit, and the drummers that impress me most are still the guys that do a lot with a little. Thomas Pridgen plays a smaller kit than those two and I think it comes out better. I've been blown away by Bruford on a tiny little jazz kit.
I play a four piece set, and my drum teacher constantly compliments me on my fills even though I use very little amount of different drums/cymbals in one solo or fill.
What really matters is how much feeling you put into it and how colorful the solo is (which you tend to do better with fewer drums instead of just doing 16th notes across twenty toms) while still staying on time.
i hear alot of john bohnam influence in this and other mars volta songs. i dig the clear drums, too. bohnam had a clear set in zepplin's "the song remains the same" dvd.
Jon Bonham Theodore
fbizzy81 1 week ago
Best drummer they ever had. Theodore has a very oldschool sound his accent control is amazing
MrGutentag69 1 month ago
love em both each have own style ... I'm friends w pridgen but the stack used on deloused made by Jon is dope
ConnorShawMusic 3 months ago
theodore and pridgen are both awesome drummers. you guys should also check out zach hill
MChicken131314 4 months ago
Pridgen said he used 18" hats cuz TMV played SO loud...but Theodore used 13"... :O
deftones720 6 months ago in playlist Study
pridgen eats this cat for breakfast - and i like theodore - but pridgen is something else..
TheBass2themax 7 months ago
@TheBass2themax agreed. Theodore is awesome but pridgen is on another level.
iLikeToHitThings 5 months ago
@iLikeToHitThings Yeah. A lower one, lol. Theodore is so much better.
uhwaykin 1 month ago
huge bonham influence here, at one point he takes a lick straight from the studio version of moby dick(1:25). Good drummer, pridgren is amazing too though so either way u wanna go its cool.
lenny3330 7 months ago
wow this guy is awesome!!!!!!!! quick hands indeed!!! lovely kit too!!!
nickdudman82 7 months ago
detecting a slight Zep influence.
pascalzifffhume 7 months ago 5
@pascalzifffhume Singer sounds heavily influenced by Robert Plant
331paradiddle 3 months ago
@pascalzifffhume Yeh, he's a huge bonham fan, he plays an oversized set, and I actually feel like this whole song Eunuch Provocateur is an homage to achilles last stand by zep.
yehigota5inchtaint 1 month ago
@pascalzifffhume I think everyone in rock music who takes a drum solo these days has to be aware of the fact that at the end of the day, everyone's gonna compare then to John Bonham, even unconsciously. And with good reason.
ddevileatsugar1 1 week ago
love the mars volta. but shannon lucas is easily one of the best drummers today. hes a completely different style but hes nasty. theodore is a beast as well
bbizzy89 9 months ago
Theodore fans- stop with the condescending opinions about taste and who "feels" the music more when it comes to Pridgen vs Theodore. Thomas and Jon both played the music as they felt it, and if you can't feel Pridgens passion when he plays it because you're too busy hating how many notes he plays, you're as clueless as people who hate however many less notes Theodore plays than Pridgen. Music is not about how many notes you may OR MAY NOT play, thus more notes doesn't always mean less feel
willV 10 months ago
Best TMV drummer.
12toedfeet 10 months ago
I love Led Zepplin!!!! Oh wait...
NocturnalDrum 11 months ago
guys i think we can all agree omar is the best drummer for the mars volta :P
Bytorand1 1 year ago 3
nice drum beating lesson
xtianor 1 year ago
@xtianor Wanna know how funny that was on a scale of one to ten? A ten. Im dead serious.
kidkrim 1 year ago
@kidkrim I got asperger's syndrome I can't recognize sarcasm
xtianor 1 year ago
Interesting side note - this was Juan's first ever show with TMV!
doublehanded 1 year ago
I DONT LIKE HES SOLO..U GOT TO ADMIT ITS JUST WARM UP ROLLS =/...but hes a kool drummer tho
hector100z 1 year ago
it seems like jon theodore was always under scrutiny. whereas for pridgen, they just let him do whatever the f^ck he wanted.
TheCosmeable 1 year ago
it seems like jon theodorewas always under scrutiny. whereas for pridgen, they just let him do whatever the f^ck he wanted.
TheCosmeable 1 year ago
These arguments crack me up! Pridgen or Theodore? They both kick ass! And should be admired for their own styles individualy, fuck ! 6 or a half dozen!
GoatPepper 1 year ago 18
eh nothing special. Shrieve at woodstock now thats a drum solo.
Axl9 1 year ago
i love thomas pridgen, but the way he linked the solo with the groove of the song at 1:57 is so sweet!
both of them are awesome!
mariorossipuzza 1 year ago
jon's snare has the best sound of any TMV drummers
TheDanification 1 year ago
Hey Cedric, you're sik and all, but your style's already been done. His name was uhhh... Jim Morrison.
theivin 1 year ago
John's set up looks very similar to Ian Paice's old set up
Headbanger9000 1 year ago
acrylic sounds so good!
JonBurrier 1 year ago
i think its ok that he slows down and loses some of the band's energy. its his solo, his time to show off his shit, and if thats what he wants to do its great. and it kind of draws you in
1000445555555 1 year ago
Holy crap does Dave Elitch have some big shoes to fill or what? But what I have seen I really like Dave. He seems to have a style similar to Theodore's only slightly more powerful. But we won't really know what hes made of until the Volta release their next album.
cwj9112 1 year ago
@cwj9112 I believe they're getting someone else to play on their next album.
vrdrums 1 year ago
@vrdrums Hmmmm, Deantoni Parks maybe???
cwj9112 1 year ago
@cwj9112 Yes! Lol. I found out the same day I posted that after the fact. I checked him out.
vrdrums 1 year ago
@vrdrums Crossing fingers for zach hill, anyone? Twas already in El Grupo Nuevo, but he was almost wasted as he didn't get to provide structure.
smloveskittycats 1 year ago
John Theodore will forever be THE Mars Volta drummer. Its ashame he left. Such a powerful and amazing drummer. Pridgen is good, but there is just something about John.
Killinfloor 1 year ago
we should make a blog in order if john watch it, he could write transcriions
cchhiittoo 1 year ago
THE only THING I HATE about JOHN THEODRE IS HE DIDNT WRITE TRANCRIPTIONS FOR HIS FANS, that really makes me cry
cchhiittoo 1 year ago
actually I do know what I am talking about, I have 2 signed recording contracts and 3 endorsements. I am a professional. and have been trained by some of the best drummers on our planet so please go fuck yourself and while you are fucking yourself start listening to real drummers who actually have dynamics and feel.
billclarkesales 1 year ago
Pridgen and theodore are both two of my favorites.
ultimatefighter187 1 year ago
all i gotta say is the way that cedric comes out of the black darkness around 2 mins always cracks me up
boneski88 1 year ago
i honestly believe the drums on bedlam are untoucbale and its my favorite album i like pridgens more than theodores....but i love theodore in one day as a lion
ultimatefighter187 1 year ago
theodore is a fukin machine, his high hat is always so perfectly timed. Pridgen is wild and cannot be tamed. Dunno why but i prefer theodore, spose i can identify more with his style. 1 luv
wez85 1 year ago
Jon Theodore is one hot peice of half black man candy mmmmmmmmmmmmm... I'm creepy
MsFudgemaster 1 year ago 2
To the whole better fit thing, there is no better fit as The Mars Volta is always changing. If anything, Jon Theodore didn't fit with the band in the new direction they were headed, which was an unforgiving, relentless cacophony of sound.
yes0genesis 1 year ago
Freakin love jon theodore. i like him better than pridgen. He sounds like John Bonham and Billy Cobham fused together. my top two favorite drummers. hes way funkier and groovier than pridgen.
guitarristachileno 1 year ago
Cedric cutting some rug! Amen!
KCCheifers 1 year ago
i love how john is done, the band starts kicking back, and then Cedric just comes out of the shadows and moves with the groove :)))<3
TavEYo 1 year ago
Is Jon paradiddling on the floor tom in the second part ?
buchayze 2 years ago
i herd pridgen was back. jon is the ultimate beast though
a1stack 2 years ago 2
I can hear his homage to Buddy Rich and Neil Peart...awesome drummer!
drumjedi 2 years ago
my knowledge of rudiments isnt really that good but do i detect alot of paradiddles in there?
jon is AWESOME
TitsMcGee1804 2 years ago
@TitsMcGee1804 I guess so mate
buchayze 1 year ago
man i love both pridgen and theodore but im not sure about the new drummer..
i've only seen clips of him from one concert and he seems really tight but he also seems to have kind of a theodore groove, but idk yet.
yockinnottou 2 years ago
I FUckin completly agree with u dude, they have a new new drummer now THomas Pridgon was fiiiiiiiiiired now its Dave Elitch even less talented then THomas pridgon and thomas pridgon is less talented than Jon Theodore soooooooooo TMV is going downhill ur right.
JOn IS THE BEST !
Georgelogan 2 years ago
I would say that overall both are equally good in different ways... basically, pridgen is has better technique and is overall better trained and prepared because well he graduated one of the top music colleges at the age of 15 so he does have better technique and versatility.... but theodore is more musically mature, I mean he doesn't over elaborate like pridgen tends to and he is really good in more subtle ways. They both fit TMV great in different ways and I love both their styles
pinneappl 2 years ago 49
Thomas Pridgen really has no sense of phrasing. VERY JACK OFF TYPE DRUMMING. I will greatly miss Jon. He MADE THE BAND! I dont even listen to TMV now because the new drummer is so bad!!
billclarkesales 2 years ago 3
i disagree, i think both are great for what its worth... they both bring something different to the table. and cedric and omar are always gonna keep it real so i love alllll of their stuff
SOADdrummer21 2 years ago 2
@billclarkesales you dont know what your taling bout
ultimatefighter187 1 year ago
@pinneappl I totally agree, well said
JxLamdin090 2 years ago
@pinneappl he didnt graduate from berklee he dropped out after i think 2 years. I was at a drum "clinic" of pridgen and he said he quit berklee
ilikedrumming 1 year ago
@pinneappl You said pridgen graduated? I read in an interview that he was kicked out of Berklee...
inimicalODDITY 1 year ago
@inimicalODDITY He was, for smoking weed in the dorm.
vrdrums 1 year ago
@inimicalODDITY A lot of musicians become famous while in Berkelee and drop out to become full-time musicians (like John Mayer). Berkelee is more of a "connections" joint than anything, and once they meet the people they need they have no real reason to graduate.
tcslick420 1 year ago
@tcslick420 That goes for Dream Theater too.
insertclevername14 1 year ago
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davidrush85 1 year ago
@pinneappl Wow, I couldn't disagree more with everything you just said. Theodore is leagues better in almost every way than Pridgen. Pridgen lacks discipline and basically bashes on his drumset. He lacks depth and dimension to his playing.
davidrush85 1 year ago
@davidrush85 I can understand why you would say that.... but the thing is that although I do agree that theogore's playing in much more intricate and sofisticated, you should really pay actual attention to pridgen's drumming. In his fills he uses extensive and varied use of variations of the drum rudiments, which is a sign of being an educated drummer. his style is overall very complex and well thought out. The thing is that his style is oriented towards gospel, which is maybe what you dislike..
pinneappl 1 year ago
@pinneappl Appreciate your response! I can understand that Pridgen might appeal to formally trained drummers, but for me, I can only listen to the same patterns and solos for so-long...before I get bored. Thomas can solo; I'll give him that, but Jon is almost like Omar's drum counterpart. He is really in tune with the songs, and intuitively adds to the music. He knows when to fall back and when to get more complex. When I hear Jon's playing, I hear so many different influences-Pridgen-not somuch
davidrush85 1 year ago
@davidrush85
lacks discipline?! pridgen went to berklee school of music when he was 15! he is in fact a trained musician but i can see how you would think otherwise.
terrorhawk3072 11 months ago
@pinneappl i dont know if anyone has said this yet but theodore went to oberlin. thats a pretty great music school.
mauledby18bears 11 months ago
@mauledby18bears hm.... I did not know that.... thanks for that tho
pinneappl 11 months ago
@pinneappl Pridgen played crazier and more out of pocket because Cedric asked him to play as crazy as possible
PurpleSn00zer 8 months ago
Still the best. It's a shame we'll never hear the Mars Volta play like this again
catinmysoup 2 years ago
We'll never know how Dave Elitch is gonna sound! ;)
Compressionistist 2 years ago
im hoping he sounds incredible. the stuff i've heard him do on youtube is, imo, better than pridgen's. but thats just solo stuff. its all about the grooves in the album. and so far, theodore is king.
spankythedog56 2 years ago
Saw him and he is incredible. Got more of a Theodore groove type of sound. KIcks ass, according to me!
Compressionistist 2 years ago
pridgeon is better but i still love jon theodore. both drummers have influenced me immensely volta is a totally different band now but i think the change is a good thing cause they are playing music of the future
thebus1109 2 years ago 2
i disagree prigden may be better at solos, but as a drummer myself theodore is has one of the best feels in rock. theodore is more creative in my opinion. the only thing pridgen is better at is solos. which really dont matter that much
pablobostero1280 2 years ago
Jon's feet is the last thing I would want to have as a drummer!
jmmatos23 2 years ago
He's playing an acrylic set? They sound terrible they are made mostly for hip hop. I like Jon but I prefer Thomas because he plays with a lot of energy too, but I think Jon wouldn't have been on board with Octahedron drums.
tusk333656 2 years ago
John Bonham and Nick Mason also played on acrylic, and all of the mars volta is played on acrylic...Acrylic is tipycally a vintage hard rock sound... absolutely not terrible.
zagyex 2 years ago
john bonham and nick mason: two amazing drummers from two immortal bands.
long live zep, floyd, and tmv!!!!
spankythedog56 2 years ago
Yea......
I think they are both amazing, but Theodore fits with the Mars Volta better than Pridgen does. I absolutely love their music with Jon, but with Pridgen....its almost too much. so......in my opinion, I prefer Jon......but they are both still amazing
ddobrilovic2 2 years ago 31
@ddobrilovic2 Blake Fleming wrote most of the drums for deloused through amputechture. So, all of the Pridgen haters and Jon lovers, get the facts straight.
tcslick420 1 year ago
@tcslick420 are there any recordings of that ?
TheDesine 1 year ago
@TheDesine of what, the original tracks? who knows. i know in an ionterview omar said he would show the beats to jon but he didnt tell jon the other drummer wrote him because he would feel bad.
tcslick420 1 year ago
@ddobrilovic2 and they both dont wear shirts..
PromDizzle 11 months ago
@ddobrilovic2 I think Jon worked well for the albums that he played on and Thomas worked well for the albums that he played on...for the most part. By the time Thomas joined the band it was much looser, funkier, and more manic than the powerful progressive rock that they had been doing (at least on their first two albums). I could see Thomas playing on "Amputechture" as that album is more stylistically akin to "Bedlam..." and I could see Jon playing on "Octahedron" as it is more constrained.
12toedfeet 10 months ago
Theodore is way better kids, he feels the music.
I`d like to see TP 1 day play Cassandra...
He can´t even play Televators LOL.
hectorcancino 2 years ago
Stupid to compare TP and JT, even though they played in the same band. JT is more about playing calmer things and sometimes putting in fast killer fills. TP is more about being energetic all they way through, it's his thing. Televators is a calm song, that's why TP don't play it as well as JT, but I seriously doubt that JT can perform as good as TP on for example Ilyena.
zokyle 2 years ago
youre an ass
lizardmanIV 2 years ago
@hectorcancino Who are you to say what he feels?
tcslick420 1 year ago
I noticed... people just hate change..... Cause this guy is not that sweet! Thomas is Much better! that solo was wack
minstrel34 2 years ago
this is fucking take the veil i used to watch this concert all the time the older the video the better
Thescot619 2 years ago
This is eunuch. Not take the veil.
heypeekay1969 2 years ago
@Thescot619 youre such a dumbshit
TMVowns 2 years ago
bedlam and octahedron are fucking sweet
thebus1109 2 years ago
yes! cedric's dancing ^_^
thejulianexperience 2 years ago
what are volta without theodore, every since he left they turned shit, who ever thinks pridgin is better clearly has no clue
gorey15 2 years ago
i agree brahh thumps up for me
Chingeesoraus 2 years ago
I agree immensely. Octahedron was a dumbed down joke. Technical skills though, pridgen is superior. John Theodore knew the music. Felt it more. Meticulously crafted his every drum stroke. He is just more tasteful. I don't want to see a drum battle between them though. I fear for Jon's life.
geoff12446 2 years ago 4
Exactly dude. Thomas started to play the drums when still in his father's balls. He must be one of the most technically skilled drummers out there. However, Theodore has all the feel, the music and the voodoo fire in him. He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays. For me JT >>>>>> TP.
buchayze 2 years ago 6
I don't fully agree with your statement: "He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays". True that he doesn't overplay, but he's not playing like "a total savage". Jon is able to play calmer things and still make it really interesting to listen to even though he doesn't make crazy fills. Thomas has some energy issue which makes him wanna play a thousand beats per second. They're styles are not that equal to be fairly compared.
zokyle 2 years ago
this cats got nothin on pridgen
justindene 2 years ago
Hes a decent drummer, but omar writes all the music(besides the lyrics), and at the time thomas fit the high energy cedric and omar have. Which obviously was the right choice!
FyoNx2 2 years ago
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the mars volta ended as soon as he left.
kodosatdi 2 years ago
I know exactly what you mean. The drummers following him are extremely talented, but his style was most effectively. Case and Point, Deloused In the Comatorium.
bigfoot97 2 years ago
And to reiterate - "This Apparatus Must be Unearthed"
macwild1234 2 years ago
it's take the veil by the way
Thescot619 2 years ago
@Thescot619 hahahahhaha omg your a fucking idiot.
TMVowns 2 years ago
effective* (fuck murhpys law)
bigfoot97 2 years ago
in my perfect world both Jon and Thomas would be in the Volta. I prefer Jon's style when they're doing improv and jam sessions but I prefer Thomas's style when they're playing high intensity stuff. They're both awesome drummers and both easily fit w/ the style of music.
At this point I just hope Thomas lasts because I don't think I can deal with having to learn to love yet another drummer.......unless Jon wants to come back.
PornoPlaylist 2 years ago 2
i miss jon's musicality
SpencerMA89 2 years ago 4
I love this video! His playing, his presence, the sound of his drums and his bombastic approach to drumming make Jon one of my all-time favorite drummers! I like his better than Thomas Pridgen, but I can't deny how good Thomas is as well!
AggressiveC 2 years ago
Soooooooooooooooooooooo much better and more fun to listen to than new guy.
I love when Cedric dances
jonnyandronnie 2 years ago 2
i think its either just a closing outro to the song, or its a jam bridge going back into Eunoch Provocetuer
retrocareermelted 2 years ago
great chops!
marcusphenom31 2 years ago
what song is that after the drum solo?
WiGGLeS18 2 years ago
i believe it goes into a jam and drunkship after that (so there's no eunuch "reprise").
sirray 2 years ago
any idea on the depth of that bass drum? looks shallower than 14"
2120mattm 2 years ago
it's 14" by 26" inches. maybe it looks weird because of its huge diameter or the strange video aspect ratio.
sirray 2 years ago
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2120mattm 2 years ago
it must be the video, bonham's bass drum looks a lot deeper than this one and they're supposedly the same size
2120mattm 2 years ago
@sirray thats such a tall ass fucking bass drum! fuck!!!!!
TMVowns 1 year ago
i though his 14 tom just made it look small, but if you check out the other vids it loooks deeper, maybe he got another? acrylic drums are renound to crack
gorey15 2 years ago
I just don't know... but anyone could have played this not so amazing solo. BTW, It would be better if Jon used his feet more.
jmmatos23 2 years ago 3
agreed. this guys good and he made some awesome music with the band, but i personally think pridgen is a better fit and a much more blastastic drummer.
bea5ToloG 2 years ago
1:58 is quite possibly the dirtiest groove in the world. DURTEH.
nickvsnick 2 years ago
i think hes really good in one day as a lion
revolver188 2 years ago
I wish I was a drummer. But I''m stuck playing fucking guitar.
dearyou1994 2 years ago 4
SNARE MASTER!
carlitox14 2 years ago
y did jon left mars? he was just replace or ders somthng else?
helgaperez 2 years ago
He wasn't happy playing with them anymore. ANd because that brought the mood of the others down, CXedric fired him and Jon agreed it was the best for everyone.
Compressionistist 2 years ago 2
he is still my favorite drummer not who i think is the best just my favorite
aeros320 2 years ago
Mine as well. Thomas seems like a cool guy though, and the drumming on Octahedron was really good!
Compressionistist 2 years ago 2
Yeah he was replaced
XboxXXX 2 years ago
Cause Jon pissed off Omar. Jon wanted to take control and Omar like his control over the band, since he rights all the notes for all the instruments.
WhiteNinjaHero 2 years ago
Skills.
ryanwilhite 2 years ago
LOL @ 2:07!!! Gotta love seein' Cedric creep back into the mix with his mesmerizing dancing!
cupholder8 2 years ago 3
One of my favorite drummers ever.
gearedtowardssalad 2 years ago 6
I hear Hitler really likes him too.
Now, let's see how long it takes you to decode that joke!
Jon is great, BTW, no disrespect.
Volterator 2 years ago
You're talking about that Hitler liking TMV video right? hahaha
gearedtowardssalad 2 years ago
Honestly I am tired of the Jon Thomas comparisons... They both make music that... is FAR beyond most if not everyone else's imagination.
No matter what drummer they have they are still The Mars Volta at the end of the day...
stunnaonflyrims 2 years ago 3
I'm tired of Jon Thomas comparisons too. I keep telling them that it's homoerotic but no-one listens. It's got so I don't want to go to the damn PTA meetings anymore.
Volterator 2 years ago
lol
angelslayerp 2 years ago
holy shit.
how does he play that beat at 1:59.
oh, and the mars volta created God
1000445555555 2 years ago
ah he has a mad choice in kit... big and powerful like bonzo
lorenrb 2 years ago
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why was he fired
lmoore12346 2 years ago
those drums sound gooooood
however i kind of like thomas solos more because they keep the energy of the song.. theodor slows down way too much IMO
how ever i love the guy.. he has brilliant parts.. and thomas has his own..
they arent the same guy so they shoudnlt be playing the same thing
stop hatin people
enjoy
winnerbaby44 2 years ago 2
one of his favorite drummers is billy cobham,one of the greatest ever look him up
fenderjbass1349 3 years ago
it looks like hes standing...
comedyjuggler690 3 years ago
jon theodore is now in a two peice band playing drums, along with the singer from rage against the machine who does vocals and keyboard. they are called One day as a lion, and they are pretty deece
darezaa 3 years ago 6
He's still with TMV on here???
pdstix78 3 years ago
He wasn't fired until 2006.
pjustusxi 3 years ago
he wasnt fired
he quit dude
LoveIsNotEnoughJesse 2 years ago
The first time i heard this solo, i said "Haha, it's like John Bonham, this drum sound, 100% Bonham.
The rythm at 1:58 is fucking amazing. I wish i could get this whole live version, : (!
manson1551 3 years ago
he's good but with a bigger kit he probably would do a better solo
carlitox14 3 years ago
bigger kits do not mean better solos, in fact using a smaller kit forces you to be more creative and ingenuitive.
ELBROSE 3 years ago 10
yeah but a bigger kit means more colors for your picture, u can be as creative as u want with your 6 colors... but if you give that same dude the crayola 300 box set i promise it'll be better
charlielloydboyd 3 years ago
pft. Pridgen can have his 7 piece kit if he wants, Theodore rocks the 4 piece just as well.
DavySolaris 3 years ago 54
naw man haha... i was refering more towards a terry bozzio 100 piece kit lol
charlielloydboyd 3 years ago
I've seen Bozzio play that thing a few times, and I've seen Peart on a giant kit, and the drummers that impress me most are still the guys that do a lot with a little. Thomas Pridgen plays a smaller kit than those two and I think it comes out better. I've been blown away by Bruford on a tiny little jazz kit.
LanceDirk 2 years ago
As a drummer I completely disagree.
I play a four piece set, and my drum teacher constantly compliments me on my fills even though I use very little amount of different drums/cymbals in one solo or fill.
What really matters is how much feeling you put into it and how colorful the solo is (which you tend to do better with fewer drums instead of just doing 16th notes across twenty toms) while still staying on time.
musica70 2 years ago 6
I would agree I like the jazz set-up if it was good enough for Buddy it's good enough for me
babygilbert0 2 years ago
i hear alot of john bohnam influence in this and other mars volta songs. i dig the clear drums, too. bohnam had a clear set in zepplin's "the song remains the same" dvd.
michael82380 3 years ago
He is one of the main reasons I started playing drums.
I'm gonna join a marching band so I can learn how to roll like that! Hot diggity damn!
AirHendrix91 3 years ago 2
jon has incredible hand action with his continuous ghost notes, but thomas' foot is faster than 3
KBombDiggity777 3 years ago 3