"Adam Smith was not a dogmatic proponent of laissez-faire capitalism. A careful exposition of his work will demonstrate that there were many functions which the government could fulfill in capitalist-organized society. In many (although not quite all) ways, Smith's position on the role of the state in a capitalist society was close to that of a modern twentieth century US liberal democrat" Spencer Pack "Capitalism as a Moral System, Adam Smith's critique of the Free Market Economy" p1
@Rundstedt1 Austrian and Neo-classical economics can be summed up, as John Kenneth Galbraith once remarked, in the "Twin propositions that the poor don't work hard enough because they're paid too much, and the rich don't work hard enough because they're not paid enough"
"The subjects of every state ought to contribute toward the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state ....[As Henry Home (Lord Kames) has written, a goal of taxation should be to] 'remedy inequality of riches as much as possible, by relieving the poor and burdening the rich.'"
"The problem is that the laissez faire minus the crony capitalism has never happened anywhere on Earth that I am aware of. Someone clue me in? Laissez faire capitalism is always, or nearly always, crony capitalism. The state is the only thing to throw the criminals in jail, and laissez faire gets rid of the state. The checks and balances in Milton’s model do not exist because the state is gutted, deregulated and corrupted by money." Robert Lindsay
"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147
All fascism did was combine conservativism with a new populist energy, just like the Rightwing teabaggers
The Right wingers are heartless bastards and Libertarians are the worst of them, they believe that the only rights that really matter are property rights, that inviolate private property is the only true measure of freedom. And so if you don't have any, too bad, let them find somebody else's property to complain on and die on. They require flawlessness as the only valid standard to judge government: libertarianism, being imaginary, cannot be fairly be judged to have flaws
These protestors are earnest but misguided. They also expect that their disabilities entitle them to more courtesy than anyone else would get in the same situation. They make themselves look foolish not by their disabilities but by their political agenda. They haven't looked into the economic consequences of taxation. Taxing the job creators and risk takers just gets those folks to sit back or to outwit the system. They already pay so much more than their fair share the country is stagnating.
These protestors are earnest but misguided. They also expect that there disabilities entitle them to more courtesy than anyone else would get in the same situation. They make themselves look foolish not by their disabilities but by their political agenda. They haven't looked into the economic consequences of taxation. Taxing the job creators and risk takers just gets those folks to sit back or to outwit the system. They already pay so much more than their fair share the country is stagnating.
@ratpyan um... The rich pay less taxes now than any point in history. Not only do they pay almost nothing, they GET money from the government. They are laying off our workers and sending our jobs overseas. We need to force the big companies to hire locally or pay additional taxes to compensate for those out of work. The economy of the past decade has proven the economic theories of the capialists and libertarians to be false. Taxation on the rich is neccesary for a free and prosperous society.
@KCSteak any party that wants to "force" companies to hire locally or pay addtional taxes are beholden to "big unions".
So lets see... YOU have a problem with poor people like these disabled who are standing up for their human rights and trying to be counted, you think the unemployed are lazy and that way on purpose but you dont want to take the neccesary steps to correct that.
Companies can take OUR money away through subsidies and not contribute, use our infrastructure but the poor are shit.
@turnofffox the only problem I have with you and the libs is, until you stand up for Sarah and Todd Palins' child I will not consider your opinion truthful. This is a disabled child that you have no concern for because it doesn't fit your propaganda. Pfffft.
@KCSteak Since when are we not concerned about Trig Palin? Its not his fault if his parents are insane republitards and that his mother has a warped view of American history which she struggles to communicate with a word salad. Sarah Palin BTW cut funds for special needs kids including special education when she was governor of AK. The GOP is doing more to sabatoge the best interests of people like Trig than can be fathomed.
@KCSteak What Sarah and Todd did during her pregnancy is THEIR business. Thats the nice thing about pro choice.
Your only problem is that Trig will participate in special ed and programs to help him be independant and develop as best he can.
That's amazing that you conservatives pretend to be in full support of a baby's life but once its born that changes. You cut funds to needy people like Trig all the time.
I'm shocked that you need 'proof' of this. This is obviously just a tactic of denial. If I say the sky is blue, it's not necessary to prove it. Well this is going to be easy.
"Today, the Republican-controlled House will begin another onslaught on programs designed to help low-income and middle class families. The GOP quite literally wants to take food from the mouths of children, cutting $47 billion
After a 411-5 vote for a $72.5 billion measure funding veterans' programs and military construction projects, the GOP-dominated chamber immediately resumed its budget-slashing ways and began a politically charged debate on a food and farm bill. The measure cuts aid for low-income pregnant women and their children...
A program that provides healthy foods like milk, eggs and infant formula to about 9 million poor mothers and pregnant women and their children is one such program." 6/14 Huffpost
"Yesterday, House Republicans voted to turn back the clock — and threw in some bad news for low-income families while they were at it.
Arguing that the U.S. food supply is 99 percent safe, House Republicans cut millions of dollars Thursday from the Food and Drug Administration’s budget, denying the agency money to implement landmark food safety laws approved by the last Congress.
Saying the cuts were needed to lower the national deficit, the House also reduced funding to the Agriculture Department’s food safety inspection service, which oversees meat, poultry and some egg products. And lawmakers chopped $832 million from an emergency feeding program for poor mothers, infants and children. Hunger groups said that change would deny emergency nutrition to about 325,000 mothers and children." Washington Monthly, June 17
"The spending cuts that House Republicans proposed for the remainder of the fiscal 2011 year would gut important federal investments in special education, K-12 education for low-income students, federal job training, environmental protection, community health centers, nuclear security, infrastructure, programs that aid both pregnant women and newborns, housing assistance for veterans and rental assistance for people with long-term disabilities.
@Rundstedt1 good, I used to work for "community development" in a large city. The frraud and waste was eye-opening. Many of these federal programs are redundant-as states also provide for the same programs.
The productive citizens of America can no longer afford the scams that are being forced on them.
Also, if our educational system is doing so great, while in the world do we need federal jobs training? Oh, I know. We just need to spend more money, right?
That's not proof of anything, just an unqualified personal antidote. Actually fraud is present in private charities to a great extent, as opposed to where the public welfare agencies have strict accounting and procedural rules that minimize any fraud.
@Rundstedt1 public welfare agencies have strict acctg? Oh pleeez. I can also tell a "democrat" operative when I read your basis for everything good in government.
If you want all this for the "children, disabled and poor", then the Energy Dept should void the 4.7bl in solar loans they approved before Fridays deadline.
I am just greatful that you libs are being exposed and Americans are turning away from your non-solutions.
After 50 years of the "war of poverty" nothing has changed.
I'm not a democrat fool. And again you just demonstrate your poor assed Right-wing tactic of shotgunning Bullshit. And again you just post crap without provenance. It's all BS talking points for you huh? The "war on poverty" ended 40 years ago with the election of Nixon, and I guess you have just admitted that the Right has cut help to children with this non answer and trying to again change the subject.
Yes idiot and that privatized welfare even more, and one reason why I'm no fan of Clinton, but LBJ had still been out of office for more than 30 years by then.
The theorists explicating the Freemarket system, such as Carl Menger, Leon Walras, and Alfred Marshall, were knowingly assuming away formulations that raised disturbing questions (income distribution, class and market power, instability, and unemployment) and creating theoretical models compatible with their own policy biases of status quo or modest reformism.And Austrian school was the most simplistic of the freemarket apostels,since it not even use ordninary scientific methods
@KCSteak"Few issues provide better examples of the negative impact of economic theory on society than the distribution of income.Economists are forever opposing 'market interventions' which might raise the wages of the poor while defending astronomical salary levels for top executives on the basis that if the market is willing to pay them so much,they must be worth it.In fact,the inequality which is so much a characteristic of modern society reflects power rather than justice"Prof.Steve Keen
Neoclassical- Austrian theory argues that marginal utility determines demand and price, i.e. the price of a good is dependent on the intensity of demand for the marginal unit consumed.This was in contrast to classic economics,which argued that price (exchange value) was regulated by the cost of production, ultimately the amount of labour used to create it. drawback of implying that profit, rent and interest were the product of unpaid labour and so capitalism was exploitative
@KCSteak This conclusion was quickly seized upon by numerous critics of capitalism, including Proudhon and Marx. The rise of marginal utility theory meant that such critiques could be ignored.
However, this change was not unproblematic. The most obvious problem with it is that it leads to circular reasoning.Prices are supposed to measure the "marginal utility" of the commodity, yet consumers need to know the price first in order to evaluate how best to maximise their satisfaction.
The Marginalist economists used cardinal utility as their analysis tool.Cardinal utility meant that it was measurable between individuals, i.e. that the utility of a given good was the same for all.While this allowed prices to be determined,it caused political problems as it obviously justified the taxation of the wealthy.As cardinal utility implied that the "utility" of an extra dollar to a poor person was clearly greater than the loss of one dollar to a rich man,it justify taxation
Well for one Medicare payments are now made through private agencies, and the rest of the system he pretty much gutted, and welfare became dependent upon working in an underpaid job that sometimes cost the recipient more to go to and in child care than they receive in wages.
Too bad you haven't answered one thing we have said but have only continued to shotgun garbage.
Too much starch in that pointed hood of yours to think properly huh?
@Rundstedt1 After your last sentence concerning starch in my pointed hood, I will not respond to you either. You people are the problem with this country. Are you carrying the torch since I will not longer engage Rundstedt1?
@KCSteak Talk about this hypothetical "Free"-market is, subsequently, ideological rhetoric. The market doesnt actually work that way and any sane and wealthy capitalist will tell you that. Free market economists wont tell you that, but no capitalist believes in the autonomy of the market.
@KCSteak )Professor Samuelson won the Nobel Prize in 1970. He is the author of Economics, a famous textbook that has been translated into 40 languages.
He says -"I was trained by Jesuits in the University of Chicago Church of Free Enterprise," he said. "But I threw off all that brainwashing and reached a more balanced view." he said, "I saw the effect of 1920s-style capitalism. I grew up in that system. It produced glaring inequalities."
@KCSteak I agree with rundstedt. The beliefs of the GOP and the KKK are very much similar. Might makes right, the weak and defenseless should go to hell and starve and diviersity is EEEEEVIL!
I also recall your remarks that the poor should go get a job, then remark that the homeless and handicapped were low lives not upstanding or worthy for a job.
SO you want the poor to get a job yet you have no problem with employers discriminating against them and oppose taxing the rich
The Marginalist economists used cardinal utility as their analysis tool. Cardinal utility meant that it was measurable between individuals,i.e. that the utility of a given good was the same for all.While this allowed prices to be determined,it caused political problems as it obviously justified the taxation of the wealthy.As cardinal utility implied that the "utility" of an extra dollar to a poor person was clearly greater than the loss of one dollar to a rich man,it justify taxation
Capitalist economists had,again,created a theory that could be used to attack capitalism and the income and hierarchy it produces.As with classical economics, socialists and other social reformists used the new theories to do precisely that, appropriating it to justify the redistribution of income and wealth downward.-"what economists believe & teach is rarely hostile to the institutions that reflect the dominant economic power,but this takes effort" J K Galbraith
Capitalist economists had,again,created a theory that could be used to attack capitalism and the income and hierarchy it produces.As with classical economics, socialists and other social reformists used the new theories to do precisely that, appropriating it to justify the redistribution of income and wealth downward.-"what economists believe & teach is rarely hostile to the institutions that reflect the dominant economic power,but this takes effort" J K Galbraith
"When the great concentrations of power in the multinational corporations are bringing the age of national employment policy to an end, the text books are still illustrated by U-shaped curves showing the limitation on the size of firms in a perfectly competitive market." Joan Robinson, Contributions to Modern Economics, p. 5
And sorry, Solar is the way to the future, I suppose you just want China to continue to have het advantage over us in that area I guess. And Poverty actually did go down during the war on poverty, but since the 'free-market' policies since at least Reagan have seen poverty and inequity grow until now the top 20% own 85% of all wealth in the country, the rich only get richer and the poorer with right-wing policies.
Yup for the mere cost of about 5 B2 bombers we could be closer to being energy independent, but you typically would rather waste money on military toys than actually help the county. And perhaps if we didn't need to keep on interfering with those countries that have the oil we would need far less military toys in the first place. 4.7 billion.. well spent, it should be 20 billion or much more.
"A St. Louis court ordered Gateway to a Cure, a charity that funds spinal cord injury research, to pay $2 million in restitution in what became a pricey raffle ticket scandal." American Institute of Philanthropy
@Rundstedt1 what does a "non-government" charity have to do with forced government charity? I say, ban all of them and see how quickly people start becoming self-sufficient.
And please, don't come back with the strawman excuse that there are people, who through no fault of their own can not survive on their own.
These are the people for whom these programs were initially meant to help. Don't think for a minute "we" will continue to support people that play the system. We're broke, got it?
@Rundstedt1 what does a "non-government" charity have to do with forced government charity? I say, ban all of them and see how quickly people start becoming self-sufficient.
And please, don't come back with the strawman excuse that there are people, who through no fault of their own can not survive on their own.
These are the people for whom these programs were initially meant to help. Don't think for a minute "we" will continue to support people that play the system.
Haha, Thank you for showing what a heartless bastard you are, Yup you clearly show your fascist social Darwinism clearly.
"Nazi Ideology did not in principle favor the idea of social welfare. In 'Mein Kampf', Hitler, writing about the time he had spent living amongst the poor and the destitute in Vienna before the First World War, had waxed indignant about the way in which social welfare encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and the feeble.
And perhaps you missed where she said the suggestion wasn't a serious one, but considering the demagoguery that the Right-wing has been doing, and its obstructionism to make its chances better by sabotaging the attempts to fix the economy it should be taken seriously.
Sigh, its has been the Right wing that has done so much to destroy democracy here, they add layer upon layer to try and keep the poor from voting, and like they did in Florida they falsely keep poeple to vote by 'caging' thier vote and got Bush illegally 'elected' by appointment of the court.
Thinking they will get better results the worse the economy is, the right has used every tool to block programs to fix the economy, they have even went as far as attempt to stop payments for debt we already have and has thereby lowered our bond ratings and increased the debt by increasing het interest payments.
And again you just continue with the right wing crap of shot-gunning garbage
And do you even know what Social Darwinism is? I thought not. It has nothing to do with Darwin, natural selection, or the "Origin of the Species" It's exactly what you do, cut social programs and let people try to fend for themselves without assistance, and if they can't too bad, they die, just like you wish them to. It's heartless fascist policy, and you embrace it, you only show your true connection.
@KCSteak (2/3) From a Social Darwinist point of view, charity and philanthropy were evils that had to be eliminated if the German race was to be strengthened and its weakest elements eliminated. the Nazi party frequently condemned the elaborate welfare system that had grown up under the Weimar Republic" Evans, "The Third Reich in Power" p483-484
Yup once again the American Right wing shows its direct connection to fascist ideology, thanks you show it clearly
And you have again yet to show anything of substance, where are these people that 'play' the system? How come you still haven't shown that 80% of the people we were talking about before "don't work" according to you
""It's simply not true. We're the furthest thing from a fraudulent organization." Chris Eaton is defending his charity's name. He's the executive director of California Police Youth Charities. It's a private organization that claims to help at-risk youth. It's an organization now targeted in a nationwide crackdown on fraudulent charities. The Sacramento-based charity claims it's done nothing wrong. But Attorney General Jerry Brown says it conspired to defraud its donors.
"You have an organization that uses the words police and youth and claims that all the money is going to charity. In fact, it goes to telemarketers. It goes to overhead. Decent people have a generous spirit. My office is here to make sure that generous spirit is not exploited and that charities use the money for charity, not for feathering their own nests," said Brown." 2011, KTXL-TV
"A federal grand jury today indicted a former Catholic Charities caseworker who allegedly funneled homeless housing aid to people who didn't qualify and then took a cut of the money." New Orleans Metro Real Time News"
And we need only look to some Right-wingers themselves that perpetrate the fraud.
@Rundstedt1 so New Orleans, the "chocolate City" indicted a caseworker from Catholic Charities committing fraud? Wow, that's a shocker.
Not to worry though, the federal government is forcing the Catholic Church out of any government programs. You know, cause they don't believe in abortion or gay adoption. So all is well.
As long as a Christian or an religiously organized charity is not mixing it's religion in with its charity activity, it can receive gov't funds. And the Catholic Church is not being forced out idiot, they are choosing to leave of their own accord, they could stay if they didn't want to continue in their bigotry, but typically you Right-wingers are more interested in your bigotry than actually helping people
"For the last several years, Sean Hannity and the Freedom Alliance “charity” have conducted “Freedom Concerts” across America. They’ve told you that they are raising money to pay for the college tuition of the children of fallen soldiers and to pay severely wounded war vets. And on Friday Night, Hannity will be honored with an award for this “Outstanding Community Service by a Radio Talk Show Host” at Talkers Magazine’s convention.
According to its 2006 tax returns, Freedom Alliance reported revenue of $10, 822, 785, but only $397,900–or a beyond-measly 3.68%–of that was given to the children of fallen troops as scholarships or as aid to severely injured soldiers."
Meanwhile public agencies have only about a 2% rate of people trying to defraud the system.
"“The myth of the Cadillac-driving welfare queen who defrauds the system lingers even though there’s no proof of it”, said Erin O’Brien, a poverty expert at the University of Massachusetts, Boston.
In fact, welfare fraud among Philadelphia’s 95,456 recipients is “minute,” according to Peter Berson, assistant chief of the government fraud unit in the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office."
Well certainly not you that's for sure. It's called a real education in Sociology and studying the problem for years in an academic manner, the United nations even has a "Poverty Experts Group"
And sorry voter fraud by voters simply is not an issue, and study after study has shown that, but you have shown here that you don't care about truth, I print reality with sources and you make ridiculous claims like this pulled out of your think tank induced ass.
Furthermore, the public assistance programs are not redundant, they serve different populations. State programs pick up where federal programs leave off and most programs are administered through the states no days anyway. And if you want to look to redundancy look no further than private programs, each of which has its own overlapping administration, its own overlapping fund raising programs, and higher administrative costs
@Rundstedt1 How many populations does this country have?
Oh, now I get it. By different populations, you mean, the hispanics, the african americans, the koreans, the chinese, the indians, the vietnamese, the puerto ricans, the haitians, the somalians, the palestians, the koreans, the russians, the irish, the italians, the spanish, the belgiums, the portugese, the french, the english, the welsh, the argentinians, the bolivians? Do you see the pattern? American is the melting pot.
Do you even know basic language? No looks like you don't. One set of people served is one 'population' another set of people served is another 'population'. the word can be used to mean a specific set of people and doesn't have to be tied to ethnicity, your automatically jumping to this conclusion only shows your underlying racism.
It is actually the public agencies that have the lowest overhead costs and where most of the money provided actually goes to where it needs to go. Like the:
"Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC): 9.0 percent [overhead.]
Two other programs included in the 2001 report, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and the School Meals Program, received a small portion of their funding (less than 10 percent) from state governments in FY 1998. The GAO report reveals that in that year, administrative costs accounted for an estimated 7.7 percent of federal SSI expenditures and 8.0 percent of federal spending on school meals.
Finally, the report estimated that the federal administrative costs amounted... for the 11 programs studied -- [to] 6.4 percent of total federal expenditures on these programs." -From Media Matters using GAO data
@Rundstedt1 by private charities, do you mean "non-profits". Because basically these "non-profits" are receiving funding from taxpayers thru "grants".
Look no further than "United Way". I know through experience working in the private sector, that we were constantly forced to contribute to United Way by these "evil" capitalist companies
I'm sure to keep the all powerful government's foot off of their necks. Kind of like what they are doing to Gibson Guitar and Beoing.
@Rundstedt1 by private charities, do you mean "non-profits". Because basically these "non-profits" are receiving funding from taxpayers thru "grants".
Look no further than "United Way". I know through experience working in the private sector, that we were constantly forced to contribute to United Way by these "evil" capitalist companies
I'm sure to keep the all powerful government's foot off of their necks. Kind of like what they are doing to Gibson Guitar and Beoing.
Meanwhile it's rare that a private help agency spend less than 20% on administrative costs and some and some like Hannity's fraudulent "charity" spend 96% on itself or like the Union Rescue Mission, in Little Rock that has Administrative expenses of 62.1%" - Mainst. Finding private agencies that spend 60-80% on overhead is not at all uncommon.
And you clearly don't recognize what jobs training is for. Jobs training provides increased skills to workers whose jobs has been 'outsourced' and their skill set become obsolete. It trains workers who might have been in manufacturing in higher skill sets, say computers or other technical areas where they were previously not involved. This had nothing to do with 'failure of education' it has much to do with the failure of the private jobs sector that only seeks to maximize its profits
The 'scam' that America can no longer afford are the Right-wing policies that have shifted so much wealth upwards while leaving the working classes' share to drop as shown. The 'scam' is the 'free-market' policies that have only made the rich richer and the poor poorer as I again have shown has happened.
And finally, lets point out your typical Right wing tactic of ignoring all the previous material and trying to change the subject and focus of the discussion. You just shotgun bullshit out and then when you are confronted on your lies you run away to make bogus accusations in a different area. Come on, those crickets are still chirping, you have shown nothing, and have just been spouting generalized lies, typical of your sort.
study after study has found that Head Start provides substantial long-term benefits to disadvantaged children. Head Start students are more likely to be reading and writing at the appropriate level in their early school years, have better health outcomes, earn more money, and commit fewer crimes. Parents with students in Head Start are also more likely to be involved in their child’s education and cost states less in Medicaid outlays." Think Progress 3/25
And so now that we've shown that the sky IS blue let's see you show us where the republicans or conservatives gave more the children and disabled people's welfare. (sound of crickets as we wait)
You just keep on demonstrating you idiocy, it's 'pre-choice' nobody forces abortion on women it's up to them unlike your anti-choice body fascism. And sorry when people are questioned on individual issues they express liberal values, it's only the conservative propaganda organs in the media that keeps them from wishing to identify as liberal overall.
"One year after the enactment of Health care reform a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that most Americans either support the law or wish it were more liberal, contradicting the narrative that the law represents government overreach" CNN, March 23, 2011
"A recent study entitled “Competing Budget Priorities: The Public, The House, The White House” by the University of Maryland’s Program For Public Consultation reveals that on nearly every single budgetary issue a majority of Americans were polled as preferring policies which would be classified as ‘liberal’." AlterPolitics
@turnofffox the only problem I have with you and the libs is, until you stand up for Sarah and Todd Palins' child I will not consider your opinion truthful. This is a disabled child that you have no concern for because it doesn't fit your propaganda. Pfffft.
@KCSteak Its amazing that conservatards like you point the finger at US and demand WE WORK HARDER all while the rich get a free break for ruining this country.
And what ARE they doing to Boeing and Gibson? Aside from allowing Boeing to cheat its workers by hiring in a nazi poverty state that is hostile to workers and pays shit wages
@turnofffox I disagree. It is your party and your dear leader that has told the workers in America "ad nauseam" that we must sacrifice for the common good.
I hope you will eventually realize how ridiculous your arguments sound.
@KCSteak When did we do that? Call Trig a retard? I DO recall that in Santa Barbara California, my former hometown that you conservatives dump disabled people on the streets and leave them to die.
@KCSteak I read in an article that last year in Santa Barbara alone 16 homeless people died. Many of them disabled or elderly. Their deaths were preventable. But noooooo. The rich shouldnt contribute like they did before they lost their homes and jobs.
California will reap what it has sown with its "hyper compassion". It has run out of other peoples money. Where will it all end, when they can't "swipe their EBT"?
The county I used to live in has 40% unemployment now.
Nasty Republicans, reacting to their election meeting being crashed like this! Just cruel... Tax them to death, spend it on transexual operations in Frisco!
Yeah, thats the ticket... Pass the bong man, and go get some burgers from McDonalds with your food stamp card.
@yeshuason Completely false. I live in CA and we do NOT have hyper compassion. My state is majority liberal but conservative nazis and sellout democrats run things. Since the 80s we have had our saftey nets cut by the nazis. Conservatives in my state are very very evil and racist and the reason I became a liberal. In my hometown for instance, they support persecuting the poor and minorities, hate crimes against them and against any kind of help for them. the rich are sitting on a pile of money.
@KCSteak Now, regarding your comment that poor people are not upstanding people, I'll have you know that I was homeless for 5 months after my job that paid 80k a year was outsourced so some fat cat can get extra profits. Now I make 35k a year. WHO ARE YOU to tell me Im not upstanding just because I dont make as much as you do? Who are you to say that a man's worth is based on his/her paycheck?
California is not compassionate. While many of its citizens are enlightned open minded and decent a large portion of the population of CA is not. Most of it centered inland and in Orange county and SD. Its very very right wing. According to tolerancedotorg California has one of the highest concentration of hate groups in the nation. We have the LAPD, the Fullerton PD, the KKK, freerepublicdotcom a racist nazi website that advocates fascism has its headquarters there in Fresno.
@KCSteak If you're refering to Jerry Brown I wouldnt call him that but he IS selling out. Cutting benefits while raising taxes on the middle class is the worst thing he could do. And those jet-setting commies you refer to are the few wealthy in this country who are willing to pay their fair share. It is a known fact that most of the wealthy are liberal/progressive and support higher taxes while ironically the poor share the opposite view(thanks to poor education and media manipulation by Fox)
@yeshuason (continued)just 1% of this country controls more than half the wealth in this nation. We are in seriuous trouble. They are sitting on a pile of money that could be used to end homelessness and poverty. Studies across the board have shown that giving the needy their own homes and living wage welfare/ssi with no strings attatched is cheaper than letting them die on the streets in poverty. Just look at scandanavia, they are better off than we are and they have no religion or nazism.
@KCSteak No they pay 35% as opposed to paying more than twice that during the 50s.
As far as the workers having to support the homeless and poor, it has never worked.
As opposed to workers having to support rich CEOS who get subsidies? Why don't the same rules apply to the rich? Theyre the ones should support them. They dont want to hire locally? They dont want to contribute to a better society? they control most the wealth, they should pay more taxes.
The one with the oxygen tubes said they were mocking disabled people. Well, they were mocking the behavior of these disabled people. I've known several disabled people. They are like everyone else. They do smart things and stupid things. We should not be muzzled when they do stupid things.
They were not being mocked for their disability. Their actions were being mocked. And should have been.
It's why the world is mocking Obama right now as well.
@RobRoyRed42 WHAT? THese people were protesting because the GOP are giving away THEIR pensions and cutting aid to these people who cannot be employed to give corporate welfare to rich fat cat CEOS who outsource jobs to China for slave labor and contribute nothing. These people are courageous for standing up against these nazis. Just listen to how they mocked them. YES IT WAS BECAUSE THEY'RE DISABLED! The world its mocking the teaparty for selling out to the corporations. and killing the poor!
@turnofffox exactly what pensions are the GOP giving away? This country is crashing because the private sector is forced to pay for section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, breakfast-lunch and diinner programs, utility subsidies, headstart, WIC programs, cell phones, laptops, Medicaide, weatherization, foster grandparents, foster care, free transportation, and the start of every school year we are browbeaten into paying for school supplies.
The real reason this country is crashing is because we are spending billions and trillions on wars overseas to kill people and giving money away to rich CEOS who outsource jobs. (NO MENTION ON YOUR LIST) Jobs that used to pay tens of thousands of dollars to hard working americans who used it to stimulate our economy by paying taxes, spending and consuming. Now those jobs have vanished and they no longer pay taxes. (-----OVER TO NEXT COMMENT)
Yea we hoped he would end the wars quickly too, but it's difficult to just walk out on a mess that was already created, and even harder to end an empire from the inside, and if he did, he would but burned in effigy by all the Right wingers and Faux News saying how he is "jeopardizing our security"
And you know why the lower strata don't pay income taxes as much? THEY have little income!!
@Rundstedt1 damn straight they have little income. Most of them don't work. We send far too many people in this country welfare checks, EBT cards, childcare, section 8 housing, breakfast-lunch-dinner subsidies, utility help, cell phones, laptop computers, medicaide, pell grants-hells bells, if you can't see this is what is destroying this country, then you are the problem.
Bullshit, your trying to tell me that 80% of the people in this country, the people who are only allowed to have 15% of the wealth, don't work? Yea poor people need assistance, becasue there poor and not paid enough as the wealth has been shifted upwards by Right-wing policies. And come on "Most of them Don't work?" where's your proof? Seems like with the real unemplyment rate at almost 20% those that aren't working can't find a job in the first place.
Hey, you can do simple math, very good. But the crickets are still chirping in anticipation of you showing that either the Republicans didn't cut aid to children, or admitting that they do. Then you can try and prove that "most of" that other 80% don't work. (Crickets now go into double time)
Bullshit, your trying to tell me that 80% of the people in this country, the people who are only allowed to have 15% of the wealth, don't work? Yea poor people need assistance, becasue there poor and not paid enough as the wealth has been shifted upwards by Right-wing policies. And come on "Most of them Don't work?" where's your proof? Seems like with the real unemplyment rate at almost 20% those that aren't working can't find a job in the first place.
And again where's your proof that the Republicans have not cut help to the needy, the crickets are getting horse from chirping. (not that we actually expected an answer from you)
@KCSteak Well of course they don't work! We cut spending for government jobs to compensate for your Capitalist masters sending jobs overseas while getting budged busting tax cuts and spending for the military!
So einstein how does these programs destroy us? I mean out of the billions in revenue only 15% goes to welfare subsidies ETC. yet nearly all of it goes into the pockets of CEOS and the military. You are either a delusional twat or a nazi if you think the poor are the problem.
"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).
In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity. The top 10% have 80% to 90% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America." Domhoff, "Wealth, Income, and Power"
And while the rich have gotten substantially richer over the last 30 odd years, the working class has seen their share stagnant or decline along with their wages. And don't make the mistake to think just because the lower classes don't always pay income taxes that they are not taxed, income taxes are not the only taxes. the working class pay substantial taxes in payroll, state, local and sales taxes, so as a share of their wealth the lower classes are just as taxed than the top.
First of all she didn't say that, that is a mischaracterization. And second the extension of unemployment benefits has helped the economy would be far worse off if there were not people to create demand for goods and services. and the economy had generally improves since the Republican policy induced Bush crisis started.
GUESS HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET WE SPEND ANNUALLY ON THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED?
15% OF OUR BUDGET!
Thats right! Meanwhile we spend billions on criminal wars to subjegate brown heathen poor people and exploit them. Not to mention subsidizing Big Business salaries.
If you hate those things so much move to Mexico or Somalia! Stop freeloading off me by using my roads sending your kids to my schools if you don't want the rich to contribute.
@KCSteak I am refering to what you conservatives view people from other countries who are not white christians. Ann coulter refered to native americans as brown heathens and another talkshow host from losangeles refered to mexicans in a similar fashion.
How are you freeloading well if your not a 1% er no but you ARE enabling them to exploit the majority of Americans. People like you are nothing but astro turf that the koch bros are manipulating you so they can wipe their feet off you.
How could people treat people with disabilities like that
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Not even Adam Smith would support the fascist republican policies:
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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"Adam Smith was not a dogmatic proponent of laissez-faire capitalism. A careful exposition of his work will demonstrate that there were many functions which the government could fulfill in capitalist-organized society. In many (although not quite all) ways, Smith's position on the role of the state in a capitalist society was close to that of a modern twentieth century US liberal democrat" Spencer Pack "Capitalism as a Moral System, Adam Smith's critique of the Free Market Economy" p1
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@Rundstedt1 Austrian and Neo-classical economics can be summed up, as John Kenneth Galbraith once remarked, in the "Twin propositions that the poor don't work hard enough because they're paid too much, and the rich don't work hard enough because they're not paid enough"
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"The subjects of every state ought to contribute toward the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state ....[As Henry Home (Lord Kames) has written, a goal of taxation should be to] 'remedy inequality of riches as much as possible, by relieving the poor and burdening the rich.'"
-- Adam Smith, Wealth Of Nations
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
"The problem is that the laissez faire minus the crony capitalism has never happened anywhere on Earth that I am aware of. Someone clue me in? Laissez faire capitalism is always, or nearly always, crony capitalism. The state is the only thing to throw the criminals in jail, and laissez faire gets rid of the state. The checks and balances in Milton’s model do not exist because the state is gutted, deregulated and corrupted by money." Robert Lindsay
Rundstedt1 5 months ago 4
"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147
All fascism did was combine conservativism with a new populist energy, just like the Rightwing teabaggers
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The Right wingers are heartless bastards and Libertarians are the worst of them, they believe that the only rights that really matter are property rights, that inviolate private property is the only true measure of freedom. And so if you don't have any, too bad, let them find somebody else's property to complain on and die on. They require flawlessness as the only valid standard to judge government: libertarianism, being imaginary, cannot be fairly be judged to have flaws
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I suggest people watching this video google Dennis Curry, "WHERE'S FRANK or DDSOorg. What an eye-opener.
I want to know more about these "non-profit foundations" that American taxpayers are forced to support.
I don't consider that "asking to much". After all, only people that work pay taxes.
KCSteak 5 months ago
These protestors are earnest but misguided. They also expect that their disabilities entitle them to more courtesy than anyone else would get in the same situation. They make themselves look foolish not by their disabilities but by their political agenda. They haven't looked into the economic consequences of taxation. Taxing the job creators and risk takers just gets those folks to sit back or to outwit the system. They already pay so much more than their fair share the country is stagnating.
ratpyan 5 months ago
These protestors are earnest but misguided. They also expect that there disabilities entitle them to more courtesy than anyone else would get in the same situation. They make themselves look foolish not by their disabilities but by their political agenda. They haven't looked into the economic consequences of taxation. Taxing the job creators and risk takers just gets those folks to sit back or to outwit the system. They already pay so much more than their fair share the country is stagnating.
ratpyan 5 months ago
@ratpyan um... The rich pay less taxes now than any point in history. Not only do they pay almost nothing, they GET money from the government. They are laying off our workers and sending our jobs overseas. We need to force the big companies to hire locally or pay additional taxes to compensate for those out of work. The economy of the past decade has proven the economic theories of the capialists and libertarians to be false. Taxation on the rich is neccesary for a free and prosperous society.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox any party that wants to "force" companies to hire locally or pay addtional taxes are beholden to "big unions".
Look what they are doing to Boeing and Gibson Guitars?
O is no friend of America.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak any party that wants to "force" companies to hire locally or pay addtional taxes are beholden to "big unions".
So lets see... YOU have a problem with poor people like these disabled who are standing up for their human rights and trying to be counted, you think the unemployed are lazy and that way on purpose but you dont want to take the neccesary steps to correct that.
Companies can take OUR money away through subsidies and not contribute, use our infrastructure but the poor are shit.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox, no! What I am saying is these "disabled" people are being taken care of.
Furthermore, if you think the libs want to take the "ncessary steps" to stop poverty, I have a bridge I want to sell you between Ohio and Kentucky.
Also, the only time companies take my "money" is when I purchase their product.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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@KCSteak What I am saying is these "disabled" people are being taken care of.
I have a bridge I WANT to sell YOU in Brooklyn if you believe that.
If neccesary steps means letting people die of hunger then no.
the only time companies take my "money" is when I purchase their product.
Or if they are multinational corps. they take it during tax time.
The GOP BTW opposes tax cuts for the middle class and poor.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox the only problem I have with you and the libs is, until you stand up for Sarah and Todd Palins' child I will not consider your opinion truthful. This is a disabled child that you have no concern for because it doesn't fit your propaganda. Pfffft.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak Since when are we not concerned about Trig Palin? Its not his fault if his parents are insane republitards and that his mother has a warped view of American history which she struggles to communicate with a word salad. Sarah Palin BTW cut funds for special needs kids including special education when she was governor of AK. The GOP is doing more to sabatoge the best interests of people like Trig than can be fathomed.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox, your only problem is, Sarah and Todd didn't "abort" Trig.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak What Sarah and Todd did during her pregnancy is THEIR business. Thats the nice thing about pro choice.
Your only problem is that Trig will participate in special ed and programs to help him be independant and develop as best he can.
That's amazing that you conservatives pretend to be in full support of a baby's life but once its born that changes. You cut funds to needy people like Trig all the time.
turnofffox 5 months ago 4
@turnofffox please show proof that conservatives cut funds for children once they are born?
KCSteak 5 months ago 2
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I'm shocked that you need 'proof' of this. This is obviously just a tactic of denial. If I say the sky is blue, it's not necessary to prove it. Well this is going to be easy.
"Today, the Republican-controlled House will begin another onslaught on programs designed to help low-income and middle class families. The GOP quite literally wants to take food from the mouths of children, cutting $47 billion
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After a 411-5 vote for a $72.5 billion measure funding veterans' programs and military construction projects, the GOP-dominated chamber immediately resumed its budget-slashing ways and began a politically charged debate on a food and farm bill. The measure cuts aid for low-income pregnant women and their children...
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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A program that provides healthy foods like milk, eggs and infant formula to about 9 million poor mothers and pregnant women and their children is one such program." 6/14 Huffpost
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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"Yesterday, House Republicans voted to turn back the clock — and threw in some bad news for low-income families while they were at it.
Arguing that the U.S. food supply is 99 percent safe, House Republicans cut millions of dollars Thursday from the Food and Drug Administration’s budget, denying the agency money to implement landmark food safety laws approved by the last Congress.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (5/10)
Saying the cuts were needed to lower the national deficit, the House also reduced funding to the Agriculture Department’s food safety inspection service, which oversees meat, poultry and some egg products. And lawmakers chopped $832 million from an emergency feeding program for poor mothers, infants and children. Hunger groups said that change would deny emergency nutrition to about 325,000 mothers and children." Washington Monthly, June 17
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (6/10)
"The spending cuts that House Republicans proposed for the remainder of the fiscal 2011 year would gut important federal investments in special education, K-12 education for low-income students, federal job training, environmental protection, community health centers, nuclear security, infrastructure, programs that aid both pregnant women and newborns, housing assistance for veterans and rental assistance for people with long-term disabilities.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 good, I used to work for "community development" in a large city. The frraud and waste was eye-opening. Many of these federal programs are redundant-as states also provide for the same programs.
The productive citizens of America can no longer afford the scams that are being forced on them.
Also, if our educational system is doing so great, while in the world do we need federal jobs training? Oh, I know. We just need to spend more money, right?
KCSteak 5 months ago
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That's not proof of anything, just an unqualified personal antidote. Actually fraud is present in private charities to a great extent, as opposed to where the public welfare agencies have strict accounting and procedural rules that minimize any fraud.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 public welfare agencies have strict acctg? Oh pleeez. I can also tell a "democrat" operative when I read your basis for everything good in government.
If you want all this for the "children, disabled and poor", then the Energy Dept should void the 4.7bl in solar loans they approved before Fridays deadline.
I am just greatful that you libs are being exposed and Americans are turning away from your non-solutions.
After 50 years of the "war of poverty" nothing has changed.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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I'm not a democrat fool. And again you just demonstrate your poor assed Right-wing tactic of shotgunning Bullshit. And again you just post crap without provenance. It's all BS talking points for you huh? The "war on poverty" ended 40 years ago with the election of Nixon, and I guess you have just admitted that the Right has cut help to children with this non answer and trying to again change the subject.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 the war on poverty ended 40 years ago? Also, I thought it was Clinton that signed "welfare reform" in the 90's.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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Yes idiot and that privatized welfare even more, and one reason why I'm no fan of Clinton, but LBJ had still been out of office for more than 30 years by then.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 exactly how did Clinton privatize welfare? Also, LBJ has been out of office for years, but we're still paying for his stupidity.
Also, if you call me one more derogatory name, I will no longer respond.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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The theorists explicating the Freemarket system, such as Carl Menger, Leon Walras, and Alfred Marshall, were knowingly assuming away formulations that raised disturbing questions (income distribution, class and market power, instability, and unemployment) and creating theoretical models compatible with their own policy biases of status quo or modest reformism.And Austrian school was the most simplistic of the freemarket apostels,since it not even use ordninary scientific methods
zsylvana 5 months ago
@KCSteak"Few issues provide better examples of the negative impact of economic theory on society than the distribution of income.Economists are forever opposing 'market interventions' which might raise the wages of the poor while defending astronomical salary levels for top executives on the basis that if the market is willing to pay them so much,they must be worth it.In fact,the inequality which is so much a characteristic of modern society reflects power rather than justice"Prof.Steve Keen
zsylvana 5 months ago
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Neoclassical- Austrian theory argues that marginal utility determines demand and price, i.e. the price of a good is dependent on the intensity of demand for the marginal unit consumed.This was in contrast to classic economics,which argued that price (exchange value) was regulated by the cost of production, ultimately the amount of labour used to create it. drawback of implying that profit, rent and interest were the product of unpaid labour and so capitalism was exploitative
zsylvana 5 months ago
@KCSteak This conclusion was quickly seized upon by numerous critics of capitalism, including Proudhon and Marx. The rise of marginal utility theory meant that such critiques could be ignored.
However, this change was not unproblematic. The most obvious problem with it is that it leads to circular reasoning.Prices are supposed to measure the "marginal utility" of the commodity, yet consumers need to know the price first in order to evaluate how best to maximise their satisfaction.
zsylvana 5 months ago
@KCSteak
The Marginalist economists used cardinal utility as their analysis tool.Cardinal utility meant that it was measurable between individuals, i.e. that the utility of a given good was the same for all.While this allowed prices to be determined,it caused political problems as it obviously justified the taxation of the wealthy.As cardinal utility implied that the "utility" of an extra dollar to a poor person was clearly greater than the loss of one dollar to a rich man,it justify taxation
zsylvana 5 months ago
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Well for one Medicare payments are now made through private agencies, and the rest of the system he pretty much gutted, and welfare became dependent upon working in an underpaid job that sometimes cost the recipient more to go to and in child care than they receive in wages.
Too bad you haven't answered one thing we have said but have only continued to shotgun garbage.
Too much starch in that pointed hood of yours to think properly huh?
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 After your last sentence concerning starch in my pointed hood, I will not respond to you either. You people are the problem with this country. Are you carrying the torch since I will not longer engage Rundstedt1?
I wish you nothing but happiness. Goodbye.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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Haha you're the one that stated deriding diversity and promoting Social Darwinism, you deserve the comment, you've shown your underlying bigotry.
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Haha you're the one that stated deriding diversity and promoting Social Darwinism, you deserve the comment, you've shown your underlying bigotry.
Mach'ne fliegal Jetzt
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@KCSteak Talk about this hypothetical "Free"-market is, subsequently, ideological rhetoric. The market doesnt actually work that way and any sane and wealthy capitalist will tell you that. Free market economists wont tell you that, but no capitalist believes in the autonomy of the market.
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@KCSteak )Professor Samuelson won the Nobel Prize in 1970. He is the author of Economics, a famous textbook that has been translated into 40 languages.
He says -"I was trained by Jesuits in the University of Chicago Church of Free Enterprise," he said. "But I threw off all that brainwashing and reached a more balanced view." he said, "I saw the effect of 1920s-style capitalism. I grew up in that system. It produced glaring inequalities."
zsylvana 5 months ago
@KCSteak I agree with rundstedt. The beliefs of the GOP and the KKK are very much similar. Might makes right, the weak and defenseless should go to hell and starve and diviersity is EEEEEVIL!
I also recall your remarks that the poor should go get a job, then remark that the homeless and handicapped were low lives not upstanding or worthy for a job.
SO you want the poor to get a job yet you have no problem with employers discriminating against them and oppose taxing the rich
turnofffox 5 months ago
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The Marginalist economists used cardinal utility as their analysis tool. Cardinal utility meant that it was measurable between individuals,i.e. that the utility of a given good was the same for all.While this allowed prices to be determined,it caused political problems as it obviously justified the taxation of the wealthy.As cardinal utility implied that the "utility" of an extra dollar to a poor person was clearly greater than the loss of one dollar to a rich man,it justify taxation
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Capitalist economists had,again,created a theory that could be used to attack capitalism and the income and hierarchy it produces.As with classical economics, socialists and other social reformists used the new theories to do precisely that, appropriating it to justify the redistribution of income and wealth downward.-"what economists believe & teach is rarely hostile to the institutions that reflect the dominant economic power,but this takes effort" J K Galbraith
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Capitalist economists had,again,created a theory that could be used to attack capitalism and the income and hierarchy it produces.As with classical economics, socialists and other social reformists used the new theories to do precisely that, appropriating it to justify the redistribution of income and wealth downward.-"what economists believe & teach is rarely hostile to the institutions that reflect the dominant economic power,but this takes effort" J K Galbraith
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"When the great concentrations of power in the multinational corporations are bringing the age of national employment policy to an end, the text books are still illustrated by U-shaped curves showing the limitation on the size of firms in a perfectly competitive market." Joan Robinson, Contributions to Modern Economics, p. 5
zsylvana 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Ohh were so chagrinned that you won't respond...asshole.
You haven't resonded to anything anyway, you've only been posting think tank crap that we then blow out of the water with reality.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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And sorry, Solar is the way to the future, I suppose you just want China to continue to have het advantage over us in that area I guess. And Poverty actually did go down during the war on poverty, but since the 'free-market' policies since at least Reagan have seen poverty and inequity grow until now the top 20% own 85% of all wealth in the country, the rich only get richer and the poorer with right-wing policies.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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Yup for the mere cost of about 5 B2 bombers we could be closer to being energy independent, but you typically would rather waste money on military toys than actually help the county. And perhaps if we didn't need to keep on interfering with those countries that have the oil we would need far less military toys in the first place. 4.7 billion.. well spent, it should be 20 billion or much more.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (2/16)
"A St. Louis court ordered Gateway to a Cure, a charity that funds spinal cord injury research, to pay $2 million in restitution in what became a pricey raffle ticket scandal." American Institute of Philanthropy
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 what does a "non-government" charity have to do with forced government charity? I say, ban all of them and see how quickly people start becoming self-sufficient.
And please, don't come back with the strawman excuse that there are people, who through no fault of their own can not survive on their own.
These are the people for whom these programs were initially meant to help. Don't think for a minute "we" will continue to support people that play the system. We're broke, got it?
KCSteak 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 what does a "non-government" charity have to do with forced government charity? I say, ban all of them and see how quickly people start becoming self-sufficient.
And please, don't come back with the strawman excuse that there are people, who through no fault of their own can not survive on their own.
These are the people for whom these programs were initially meant to help. Don't think for a minute "we" will continue to support people that play the system.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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Haha, Thank you for showing what a heartless bastard you are, Yup you clearly show your fascist social Darwinism clearly.
"Nazi Ideology did not in principle favor the idea of social welfare. In 'Mein Kampf', Hitler, writing about the time he had spent living amongst the poor and the destitute in Vienna before the First World War, had waxed indignant about the way in which social welfare encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and the feeble.
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@Rundstedt1 I though the libs love Darwin? Which is it? The only facist in this country is run by your party.
Example, Beth Purdue, the governor of North Carolina wanting to suspend elections for the "common good". That my friend sounds like Hitler.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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And perhaps you missed where she said the suggestion wasn't a serious one, but considering the demagoguery that the Right-wing has been doing, and its obstructionism to make its chances better by sabotaging the attempts to fix the economy it should be taken seriously.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 Yeah, I caught her backtracking, ain't believable pal. It must be hell to be in your shoes. Hehe.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Sigh, its has been the Right wing that has done so much to destroy democracy here, they add layer upon layer to try and keep the poor from voting, and like they did in Florida they falsely keep poeple to vote by 'caging' thier vote and got Bush illegally 'elected' by appointment of the court.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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Thinking they will get better results the worse the economy is, the right has used every tool to block programs to fix the economy, they have even went as far as attempt to stop payments for debt we already have and has thereby lowered our bond ratings and increased the debt by increasing het interest payments.
And again you just continue with the right wing crap of shot-gunning garbage
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak
And do you even know what Social Darwinism is? I thought not. It has nothing to do with Darwin, natural selection, or the "Origin of the Species" It's exactly what you do, cut social programs and let people try to fend for themselves without assistance, and if they can't too bad, they die, just like you wish them to. It's heartless fascist policy, and you embrace it, you only show your true connection.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (2/3) From a Social Darwinist point of view, charity and philanthropy were evils that had to be eliminated if the German race was to be strengthened and its weakest elements eliminated. the Nazi party frequently condemned the elaborate welfare system that had grown up under the Weimar Republic" Evans, "The Third Reich in Power" p483-484
Yup once again the American Right wing shows its direct connection to fascist ideology, thanks you show it clearly
Rundstedt1 5 months ago 3
@KCSteak (3/3)
And you have again yet to show anything of substance, where are these people that 'play' the system? How come you still haven't shown that 80% of the people we were talking about before "don't work" according to you
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (3/16)
""It's simply not true. We're the furthest thing from a fraudulent organization." Chris Eaton is defending his charity's name. He's the executive director of California Police Youth Charities. It's a private organization that claims to help at-risk youth. It's an organization now targeted in a nationwide crackdown on fraudulent charities. The Sacramento-based charity claims it's done nothing wrong. But Attorney General Jerry Brown says it conspired to defraud its donors.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (4/16)
"You have an organization that uses the words police and youth and claims that all the money is going to charity. In fact, it goes to telemarketers. It goes to overhead. Decent people have a generous spirit. My office is here to make sure that generous spirit is not exploited and that charities use the money for charity, not for feathering their own nests," said Brown." 2011, KTXL-TV
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (5/16)
"A federal grand jury today indicted a former Catholic Charities caseworker who allegedly funneled homeless housing aid to people who didn't qualify and then took a cut of the money." New Orleans Metro Real Time News"
And we need only look to some Right-wingers themselves that perpetrate the fraud.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 so New Orleans, the "chocolate City" indicted a caseworker from Catholic Charities committing fraud? Wow, that's a shocker.
Not to worry though, the federal government is forcing the Catholic Church out of any government programs. You know, cause they don't believe in abortion or gay adoption. So all is well.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak Where are you getting your crap info form? Wow fixed noise huh? Bad sources=debate fail. Go and read a book.
whedonfreak976 5 months ago
@KCSteak
As long as a Christian or an religiously organized charity is not mixing it's religion in with its charity activity, it can receive gov't funds. And the Catholic Church is not being forced out idiot, they are choosing to leave of their own accord, they could stay if they didn't want to continue in their bigotry, but typically you Right-wingers are more interested in your bigotry than actually helping people
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (6/16)
"For the last several years, Sean Hannity and the Freedom Alliance “charity” have conducted “Freedom Concerts” across America. They’ve told you that they are raising money to pay for the college tuition of the children of fallen soldiers and to pay severely wounded war vets. And on Friday Night, Hannity will be honored with an award for this “Outstanding Community Service by a Radio Talk Show Host” at Talkers Magazine’s convention.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (7/16)
But it’s all a huge scam.
According to its 2006 tax returns, Freedom Alliance reported revenue of $10, 822, 785, but only $397,900–or a beyond-measly 3.68%–of that was given to the children of fallen troops as scholarships or as aid to severely injured soldiers."
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@ (8/16)
Meanwhile public agencies have only about a 2% rate of people trying to defraud the system.
"“The myth of the Cadillac-driving welfare queen who defrauds the system lingers even though there’s no proof of it”, said Erin O’Brien, a poverty expert at the University of Massachusetts, Boston.
In fact, welfare fraud among Philadelphia’s 95,456 recipients is “minute,” according to Peter Berson, assistant chief of the government fraud unit in the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office."
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 exact same strawman agrument your party says about "voter fraud".
Also, exactly what is a "poverty expert"?
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak (1/2)
Well certainly not you that's for sure. It's called a real education in Sociology and studying the problem for years in an academic manner, the United nations even has a "Poverty Experts Group"
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (2/2)
And sorry voter fraud by voters simply is not an issue, and study after study has shown that, but you have shown here that you don't care about truth, I print reality with sources and you make ridiculous claims like this pulled out of your think tank induced ass.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (9/16)
Furthermore, the public assistance programs are not redundant, they serve different populations. State programs pick up where federal programs leave off and most programs are administered through the states no days anyway. And if you want to look to redundancy look no further than private programs, each of which has its own overlapping administration, its own overlapping fund raising programs, and higher administrative costs
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 How many populations does this country have?
Oh, now I get it. By different populations, you mean, the hispanics, the african americans, the koreans, the chinese, the indians, the vietnamese, the puerto ricans, the haitians, the somalians, the palestians, the koreans, the russians, the irish, the italians, the spanish, the belgiums, the portugese, the french, the english, the welsh, the argentinians, the bolivians? Do you see the pattern? American is the melting pot.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Do you even know basic language? No looks like you don't. One set of people served is one 'population' another set of people served is another 'population'. the word can be used to mean a specific set of people and doesn't have to be tied to ethnicity, your automatically jumping to this conclusion only shows your underlying racism.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 I get it, kind of like how "diversity" has helped this country. Hehe.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 I get it, kind of like how "diversity" has helped this country. Hehe.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
So did you get starch in your pointed white hood of what, you have shown you true mettle here, thanks.
Now go run off to your Klan meeting.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (10/16)
It is actually the public agencies that have the lowest overhead costs and where most of the money provided actually goes to where it needs to go. Like the:
"Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC): 9.0 percent [overhead.]
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (11/16)
Two other programs included in the 2001 report, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and the School Meals Program, received a small portion of their funding (less than 10 percent) from state governments in FY 1998. The GAO report reveals that in that year, administrative costs accounted for an estimated 7.7 percent of federal SSI expenditures and 8.0 percent of federal spending on school meals.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (12/16)
Finally, the report estimated that the federal administrative costs amounted... for the 11 programs studied -- [to] 6.4 percent of total federal expenditures on these programs." -From Media Matters using GAO data
So 6.4%!!!!!!! No private charity beats this.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 by private charities, do you mean "non-profits". Because basically these "non-profits" are receiving funding from taxpayers thru "grants".
Look no further than "United Way". I know through experience working in the private sector, that we were constantly forced to contribute to United Way by these "evil" capitalist companies
I'm sure to keep the all powerful government's foot off of their necks. Kind of like what they are doing to Gibson Guitar and Beoing.
KCSteak 5 months ago
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@Rundstedt1 by private charities, do you mean "non-profits". Because basically these "non-profits" are receiving funding from taxpayers thru "grants".
Look no further than "United Way". I know through experience working in the private sector, that we were constantly forced to contribute to United Way by these "evil" capitalist companies
I'm sure to keep the all powerful government's foot off of their necks. Kind of like what they are doing to Gibson Guitar and Beoing.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Do you even know what the f* you are tlaking about? Apparently not, and apparently you don't care either.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (13/16)
Meanwhile it's rare that a private help agency spend less than 20% on administrative costs and some and some like Hannity's fraudulent "charity" spend 96% on itself or like the Union Rescue Mission, in Little Rock that has Administrative expenses of 62.1%" - Mainst. Finding private agencies that spend 60-80% on overhead is not at all uncommon.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@ (14/16)
And you clearly don't recognize what jobs training is for. Jobs training provides increased skills to workers whose jobs has been 'outsourced' and their skill set become obsolete. It trains workers who might have been in manufacturing in higher skill sets, say computers or other technical areas where they were previously not involved. This had nothing to do with 'failure of education' it has much to do with the failure of the private jobs sector that only seeks to maximize its profits
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (15/16)
The 'scam' that America can no longer afford are the Right-wing policies that have shifted so much wealth upwards while leaving the working classes' share to drop as shown. The 'scam' is the 'free-market' policies that have only made the rich richer and the poor poorer as I again have shown has happened.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (16/16)
And finally, lets point out your typical Right wing tactic of ignoring all the previous material and trying to change the subject and focus of the discussion. You just shotgun bullshit out and then when you are confronted on your lies you run away to make bogus accusations in a different area. Come on, those crickets are still chirping, you have shown nothing, and have just been spouting generalized lies, typical of your sort.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (7/10)
And one of the primary targets on the long list of programs that Republicans have slated for reductions is Head Start...
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (8/10)
study after study has found that Head Start provides substantial long-term benefits to disadvantaged children. Head Start students are more likely to be reading and writing at the appropriate level in their early school years, have better health outcomes, earn more money, and commit fewer crimes. Parents with students in Head Start are also more likely to be involved in their child’s education and cost states less in Medicaid outlays." Think Progress 3/25
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (9/10)
"Among the biggest flashpoints in the House Republicans’ $1.2 trillion bill for financing federal programs through Sept. 30 are provisions to:
Cut $60 billion from last year’s spending on domestic programs, including education, environmental protection and community services.
Cut $747 million in food aid for poor pregnant women and women with children up to the age of 5..." Chicago Sun Times 2/19
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (10/10)
And so now that we've shown that the sky IS blue let's see you show us where the republicans or conservatives gave more the children and disabled people's welfare. (sound of crickets as we wait)
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@turnofffox quit calling it "pro-choice", it's called "pro-abortion".
Your ilk have turned abortion into nothing more than a birth control measure.
Good grief, with all the free birth control available in this country it only shows the immorality that your party accepts and condones.
The problem you seem to have is, a majority of America no longer accepts your philosophy-than G-d!
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak (1/3)
You just keep on demonstrating you idiocy, it's 'pre-choice' nobody forces abortion on women it's up to them unlike your anti-choice body fascism. And sorry when people are questioned on individual issues they express liberal values, it's only the conservative propaganda organs in the media that keeps them from wishing to identify as liberal overall.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (2/3)
"One year after the enactment of Health care reform a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that most Americans either support the law or wish it were more liberal, contradicting the narrative that the law represents government overreach" CNN, March 23, 2011
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (3/3)
"A recent study entitled “Competing Budget Priorities: The Public, The House, The White House” by the University of Maryland’s Program For Public Consultation reveals that on nearly every single budgetary issue a majority of Americans were polled as preferring policies which would be classified as ‘liberal’." AlterPolitics
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak McGinnis, is that you?
KCSteak 5 months ago
@turnofffox the only problem I have with you and the libs is, until you stand up for Sarah and Todd Palins' child I will not consider your opinion truthful. This is a disabled child that you have no concern for because it doesn't fit your propaganda. Pfffft.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@turnofffox no, you are "shit" for using these people for your purposes.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@turnofffox no, you are "shit" for using these people for your purposes.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak Its amazing that conservatards like you point the finger at US and demand WE WORK HARDER all while the rich get a free break for ruining this country.
And what ARE they doing to Boeing and Gibson? Aside from allowing Boeing to cheat its workers by hiring in a nazi poverty state that is hostile to workers and pays shit wages
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox I disagree. It is your party and your dear leader that has told the workers in America "ad nauseam" that we must sacrifice for the common good.
I hope you will eventually realize how ridiculous your arguments sound.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@turnofffox did you just call me a "conservatard"? Kind of reminds me of your "kind" calling Trig a "retard".
I will pray for you.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak When did we do that? Call Trig a retard? I DO recall that in Santa Barbara California, my former hometown that you conservatives dump disabled people on the streets and leave them to die.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox when did "we" do that? Basically since Sarah became your nemesis.
Also, I need to know how many disabled people died after being dumped on the streets by the "evil" conservatives? I am waiting for your proof.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak I read in an article that last year in Santa Barbara alone 16 homeless people died. Many of them disabled or elderly. Their deaths were preventable. But noooooo. The rich shouldnt contribute like they did before they lost their homes and jobs.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox please show your source. If you think I'm going to accept that you read an article last year as proof, you are sadly mistaken.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/local/me-santa-barbara-homeless7
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox pal, I didn't say that America should work harder, it is your "dear leader" than is vomiting that phrase.
KCSteak 5 months ago
How pathetic. Where're a couple dozen good ice floes when you need 'em?
Pontifactotum 5 months ago
@Pontifactotum see everyone? The compasion of a white christian conservative.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox how do you know "pontifactotum" is white or conservative for that matter?
KCSteak 5 months ago
California will reap what it has sown with its "hyper compassion". It has run out of other peoples money. Where will it all end, when they can't "swipe their EBT"?
The county I used to live in has 40% unemployment now.
Nasty Republicans, reacting to their election meeting being crashed like this! Just cruel... Tax them to death, spend it on transexual operations in Frisco!
Yeah, thats the ticket... Pass the bong man, and go get some burgers from McDonalds with your food stamp card.
yeshuason 5 months ago
@yeshuason Completely false. I live in CA and we do NOT have hyper compassion. My state is majority liberal but conservative nazis and sellout democrats run things. Since the 80s we have had our saftey nets cut by the nazis. Conservatives in my state are very very evil and racist and the reason I became a liberal. In my hometown for instance, they support persecuting the poor and minorities, hate crimes against them and against any kind of help for them. the rich are sitting on a pile of money.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox do you expect middle America to believe that CA isn't compassionate?
The problem fly-over country has is you expect us to keep you solvent...all the while talking down to us.
Also, we are tired of being called Nazis.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak Now, regarding your comment that poor people are not upstanding people, I'll have you know that I was homeless for 5 months after my job that paid 80k a year was outsourced so some fat cat can get extra profits. Now I make 35k a year. WHO ARE YOU to tell me Im not upstanding just because I dont make as much as you do? Who are you to say that a man's worth is based on his/her paycheck?
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox proof please.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak what do you want me to prove? that a poor person can be an upstandiing citizen? Or that I was homeless?
turnofffox 5 months ago
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@turnofffox proof please.
KCSteak 5 months ago
California is not compassionate. While many of its citizens are enlightned open minded and decent a large portion of the population of CA is not. Most of it centered inland and in Orange county and SD. Its very very right wing. According to tolerancedotorg California has one of the highest concentration of hate groups in the nation. We have the LAPD, the Fullerton PD, the KKK, freerepublicdotcom a racist nazi website that advocates fascism has its headquarters there in Fresno.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox are you trying to tell me that Jerry "boombeam" is a conservative nazi?
Also, I need proof of what democrats our sellouts?
Furthermore, the only "rich" in California are the jet-setting commies.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak If you're refering to Jerry Brown I wouldnt call him that but he IS selling out. Cutting benefits while raising taxes on the middle class is the worst thing he could do. And those jet-setting commies you refer to are the few wealthy in this country who are willing to pay their fair share. It is a known fact that most of the wealthy are liberal/progressive and support higher taxes while ironically the poor share the opposite view(thanks to poor education and media manipulation by Fox)
turnofffox 5 months ago
@yeshuason (continued)just 1% of this country controls more than half the wealth in this nation. We are in seriuous trouble. They are sitting on a pile of money that could be used to end homelessness and poverty. Studies across the board have shown that giving the needy their own homes and living wage welfare/ssi with no strings attatched is cheaper than letting them die on the streets in poverty. Just look at scandanavia, they are better off than we are and they have no religion or nazism.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox how wrong you are. The 1% of wealthy taxpayers in America pay 40% of the taxes.
As far as the workers having to support the homeless and poor, it has never worked.
My neighborhood has been forced to live with these people-and I'm being as honest as the day is long-they are not upstanding people.
I want to ask you, where do you live and do you feel safe and secure?
KCSteak 5 months ago
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@KCSteak No they pay 35% as opposed to paying more than twice that during the 50s.
As far as the workers having to support the homeless and poor, it has never worked.
As opposed to workers having to support rich CEOS who get subsidies? Why don't the same rules apply to the rich? Theyre the ones should support them. They dont want to hire locally? They dont want to contribute to a better society? they control most the wealth, they should pay more taxes.
What neighborhood do YOU live in.
turnofffox 5 months ago
The one with the oxygen tubes said they were mocking disabled people. Well, they were mocking the behavior of these disabled people. I've known several disabled people. They are like everyone else. They do smart things and stupid things. We should not be muzzled when they do stupid things.
They were not being mocked for their disability. Their actions were being mocked. And should have been.
It's why the world is mocking Obama right now as well.
RobRoyRed42 5 months ago
@RobRoyRed42 WHAT? THese people were protesting because the GOP are giving away THEIR pensions and cutting aid to these people who cannot be employed to give corporate welfare to rich fat cat CEOS who outsource jobs to China for slave labor and contribute nothing. These people are courageous for standing up against these nazis. Just listen to how they mocked them. YES IT WAS BECAUSE THEY'RE DISABLED! The world its mocking the teaparty for selling out to the corporations. and killing the poor!
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox exactly what pensions are the GOP giving away? This country is crashing because the private sector is forced to pay for section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, breakfast-lunch and diinner programs, utility subsidies, headstart, WIC programs, cell phones, laptops, Medicaide, weatherization, foster grandparents, foster care, free transportation, and the start of every school year we are browbeaten into paying for school supplies.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak I just told you.
The real reason this country is crashing is because we are spending billions and trillions on wars overseas to kill people and giving money away to rich CEOS who outsource jobs. (NO MENTION ON YOUR LIST) Jobs that used to pay tens of thousands of dollars to hard working americans who used it to stimulate our economy by paying taxes, spending and consuming. Now those jobs have vanished and they no longer pay taxes. (-----OVER TO NEXT COMMENT)
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox by rich CEO's do you mean Solyndra? $535 million dollards and bankrupt in two years.
This is taxpayers being forced to support a worthless, failure of an industry.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@turnofffox I thought O was going to end these "wars".
Also, there are a lot more non-paying taxpayers than CEO's.
KCSteak 5 months ago 2
@KCSteak (1/4)
Yea we hoped he would end the wars quickly too, but it's difficult to just walk out on a mess that was already created, and even harder to end an empire from the inside, and if he did, he would but burned in effigy by all the Right wingers and Faux News saying how he is "jeopardizing our security"
And you know why the lower strata don't pay income taxes as much? THEY have little income!!
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 damn straight they have little income. Most of them don't work. We send far too many people in this country welfare checks, EBT cards, childcare, section 8 housing, breakfast-lunch-dinner subsidies, utility help, cell phones, laptop computers, medicaide, pell grants-hells bells, if you can't see this is what is destroying this country, then you are the problem.
KCSteak 5 months ago 2
@KCSteak
Bullshit, your trying to tell me that 80% of the people in this country, the people who are only allowed to have 15% of the wealth, don't work? Yea poor people need assistance, becasue there poor and not paid enough as the wealth has been shifted upwards by Right-wing policies. And come on "Most of them Don't work?" where's your proof? Seems like with the real unemplyment rate at almost 20% those that aren't working can't find a job in the first place.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 so by your reasoning, since there is 20% unemployment then 80% of the citizens have jobs?
Wow, just wow.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Hey, you can do simple math, very good. But the crickets are still chirping in anticipation of you showing that either the Republicans didn't cut aid to children, or admitting that they do. Then you can try and prove that "most of" that other 80% don't work. (Crickets now go into double time)
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@Rundstedt1 WHOOO!! Great job Rundstedt1! Got him good!
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox sorry to burst your bubble T, but I'm a woman. I love how you people stereotype us. Hehe.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Doesn't mean you don't have a white hood as you've shown your tore attitude. It's just sad, that you hate your own gender so much.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
* S/B True attitude
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak Okay then got HER good! ^_^
turnofffox 5 months ago
@KCSteak
Bullshit, your trying to tell me that 80% of the people in this country, the people who are only allowed to have 15% of the wealth, don't work? Yea poor people need assistance, becasue there poor and not paid enough as the wealth has been shifted upwards by Right-wing policies. And come on "Most of them Don't work?" where's your proof? Seems like with the real unemplyment rate at almost 20% those that aren't working can't find a job in the first place.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak
And again where's your proof that the Republicans have not cut help to the needy, the crickets are getting horse from chirping. (not that we actually expected an answer from you)
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak Well of course they don't work! We cut spending for government jobs to compensate for your Capitalist masters sending jobs overseas while getting budged busting tax cuts and spending for the military!
So einstein how does these programs destroy us? I mean out of the billions in revenue only 15% goes to welfare subsidies ETC. yet nearly all of it goes into the pockets of CEOS and the military. You are either a delusional twat or a nazi if you think the poor are the problem.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@KCSteak (2/4)
"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@K (3/4)
In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity. The top 10% have 80% to 90% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America." Domhoff, "Wealth, Income, and Power"
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
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Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak (4/4)
And while the rich have gotten substantially richer over the last 30 odd years, the working class has seen their share stagnant or decline along with their wages. And don't make the mistake to think just because the lower classes don't always pay income taxes that they are not taxed, income taxes are not the only taxes. the working class pay substantial taxes in payroll, state, local and sales taxes, so as a share of their wealth the lower classes are just as taxed than the top.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@turnofffox, yet O is still allowing the same.
Also, I thought Pelosi said if America continued unemployment forever that this would improve our economy.
Yet, it failed.
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak
First of all she didn't say that, that is a mischaracterization. And second the extension of unemployment benefits has helped the economy would be far worse off if there were not people to create demand for goods and services. and the economy had generally improves since the Republican policy induced Bush crisis started.
Rundstedt1 5 months ago
@KCSteak(CONTINUED)
GUESS HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET WE SPEND ANNUALLY ON THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED?
15% OF OUR BUDGET!
Thats right! Meanwhile we spend billions on criminal wars to subjegate brown heathen poor people and exploit them. Not to mention subsidizing Big Business salaries.
If you hate those things so much move to Mexico or Somalia! Stop freeloading off me by using my roads sending your kids to my schools if you don't want the rich to contribute.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox you sound racist. You are calling brown people heathens.
I don't hate anyone or anything. Also, how am I freeloading off of you?
KCSteak 5 months ago
@KCSteak I am refering to what you conservatives view people from other countries who are not white christians. Ann coulter refered to native americans as brown heathens and another talkshow host from losangeles refered to mexicans in a similar fashion.
How are you freeloading well if your not a 1% er no but you ARE enabling them to exploit the majority of Americans. People like you are nothing but astro turf that the koch bros are manipulating you so they can wipe their feet off you.
turnofffox 5 months ago
@turnofffox prove it.
KCSteak 5 months ago