But anarchism as a political ideology is effective tool of creating chaos, wich the controllers of the system actually want, because it gives them freedom of instauration more control and more oppression, because general population is getting tired of endless riots and destruction. They want peace and order and government is giving that order, but it will not be in people's interests at all. It is called hegelian dialectic of ruling the masses.
Actually anarchism is itself effective form of brainashing for politically naive, mostly young people in their teens and twenties, who are naturally inclined towards rebelling against authority. It is natural mental condition of growing up to independent person.
Throwing bricks is nothing compared to dropping napalm, stockpiling mustard gas and BV, shooting depleted uranium rounds, stealing money through taxation, imprisoning myself and my family.. I'll throw bricks any day to stop that. Bernadine Dohrn ... "We felt that doing nothing in a period of repressive violence is itself a form of violence. ... genocide, and you sit there and you don't do anything about it, that's violence. ... I'm not committed to non-violence in any way.
the so is prelude to the question i am posing, everything is potentially subjective especially given the sense that we all perceive things to differently...i'm not denying anything, you're merely being presumptuous, i asked you a question, which you clearly didn't understand and u failed to ask what i meant by the question instead you merely drew up a conclusion on it
Anarchy is a totally idiotic 'form of thinking'. Its based upon nothing. And the funny thing is, its so stupid nobody understands it. Just look at the vids on the right side of the video; 70 percent is about: what is anarchy? Seriously, this says alot about this concept. Its so not-understandable that largest part of vids about it try to explain it, while theres tons of discussions going on about what the hell this is. It has no base, its just a justification to go on the streets to kick dust.
@ChrisinatorS That has to do with people trying to get rid of the stereotype of anarchists being people who run around throwing bricks through windows and blowing shit up. Anarchy is quiet understandable, but few people understand it, or even give a flying alarm clock.
As long as anarchists keep throwing bricks, destroying property and rioting I will keep this 'stereotype'. Oh yes I fully understand what anarchists want (or don't I?): no more 'leaders', no more 'upper' powers, just total individualism, while taking care of others? Well, thats simply not possible, especially with modern day population numbers.
@ChrisinatorS My point not being that anarchists don't throw bricks, but rather that not all do. The stupid morons who just want to cause trouble give the rest of us a horrible name.
When i was younger i always thought anarchy was just another word for chaos.
But now i know its socialist, marxist & opppressive (due to anit property rights, anti individualism and anti free market)
I mean how you going to collect taxes, how are you going to force people to give up there property & give taxes to lazy bums?
This will never work, it's like communism it sounds good on paper but would you work for free - i know i wouldnt unless it was helping my parents or a friend move LoL
@MrHairyNutz how the hell is anarchy oppressive, how is it anti-individualism, democracy is anti-individualism by definition and "anti free market" do you even know what you're typing about or you're just part of the herd, you just follow the mainstream opinion without actually thinking for yourself?
@MrHairyNutz firstly if i was too stupid to read i wouldn't have been able to disagree with your views... according to my school of thought what you are referring to is social anarchism or libertarian socialism..., socialism involves some form of political structure, anarchism does not, anarchism is decentralisation of power. In socialism e public owns and manages e state's resources however anarchism involves individuals governing themselves and managing eir own resources,how is that anti-prpty
@TheGunPulseClan Local voluntary militias would band together to fight a war on a home front (how the Revolutionary war was fought); no war outside of our borders.
Technology will be fine. People will continue to study, make inventions and work to keep everything online. It would be just human nature for some people, like me.
Yes you can still follow Christianity. In a way, they're intertwined. The only kind of "rules" that exist in anarchy are morals much like those of the Christian faith.
@TheGunPulseClan Child molestation is immoral, those who would do it, like they are now, would be outcast, shunned, spit on, and looked down upon. Vigilantes would do the same or better job than cops at punishing such criminals. Even if a vigilante takes it too far and tortures the person to death (which is also immoral), not too many people would care anyway. Would you care if you read a known child molester was possibly over punished and killed by someone trying to keep peace?
@thenewpunkrockkid How do you keep the vigilante justice system from evolving into a regular police force? It seems like anarchists just prefer the state of nature in which there is no law and it is survival of the fittest. Remember, fittest isn't synonomous with largest. Sometimes the fittest is the one with the most friends, and that is suprisingly close to gov't force. So really, how do you keep anarchy from evolving into a governed body ruled by the fittest? Seems like a flaw in the plan.
@dlstb Seems like someone doesn't have critical thinking skills. I really shouldn't even answer this. Vigilantes are vigilantes. A police force means paid volunteers, vigilantes do it to for the better of man; they get no reward other than the satisfaction of knowing their neighbors are safer.
If an anarchist movement can take down a government with millions of weapons and tons of soldiers, why would just a local volunteer militia not be able to take down a regional dictator and his small army?
@thenewpunkrockkid Aparently YOU don't get it. People have the right to associate with others freely, so how do you keep people from associating for the sake of a common defense and their general well being. That would effectively create a police force and a government, which is not vigilante justice and anarchy. There is no way to enforce anarchy and no way to keep governments from forming. Gov't is a natural evolution from the natural state of anarchy.
@thenewpunkrockkid I'll help. You are just really stupid. It isn't hard to understand that government forms from the natural state of nature, which is anarchy, as a way to increase the security of the family and the community as a whole. While anarchy seeks to rid the world of governing bodies, Libertarians simply seek to limit the scope of government to protecting the individual against force and coercion. This isn't that hard, you just seem too entranced for thought to break through.
@thenewpunkrockkid Curious. What do you call the numerous volunteer deputies, fire fighters, and rescue personnel that already suplement our full time paid emergency services? Are they vigilantes?
I hardly think so. Vigilante justice has nothing to do with the pay status of the perons involved. Rather, it has to do with how justice is applied. Basically, vigilante justice doesn't give the individual the right to a fair trial. That said, I'd shoot anyone breaking into my home on sight.
@dlstb Still can't tell if troll or just really stupid and lacking basic thinking skills. Do you not know how to get outside of the box? Or have you been in a cubicle so long this is what I should always expect from you? Keep trying though, you're getting just a little closer with that last part. Maybe you'll eventually get the idea wrapped around your head. Until then, buzz off. I don't wanna wake up in the morning and see you've replied with some idiotic, sideways comment.
@thenewpunkrockkid You are difinately an idiot. It also appears that you are a child with his fingers pushed firmly into his ears screaming at the top of his lungs. Do me a favor. When you are done throwing your little hissy fit, go wash the wax off your fingers and use some q-tips to clean out your ears. Be careful though, I wouldn't want you to stab out your eardrum with a cotton swab. If you can't tell why Libertarianism is better than anarchy you are definately a child in every sense.
@dlstb Are you done throwing your hissy fit on the internet? Because the adults would like to talk now. Please man, grow up. Look at your last comment, you're the one that looks like a child trying to throw all those insults. Please, be quiet. I believe in Anarchy, you Libertarianism. No amount of arguing is going to change that, clearly. So please just shut the hell up and let me live my life the way I want to, and I'll return the favor. Good day sir.
@thenewpunkrockkid You're right, there is no amount of arguing that can prove to you mindless hordes that anarchy is no better than the system that we currently have. You won't be happy until there is no such thing as a human right or laws to protect those rights when they are violated. I hope that all of you reap what you have sewn and that one day you live in a lawless society not unlike any current zombie horror flick. Maybe then you will realize what anarchy truly is, chaos.
@dlstb *sigh* Not even trying to be a gentlemen will apparently get you to shut up. For the love of God, just go away. In the end, people are going to look at our comments and say, "Wow, they're BOTH pathetic." So please just shut up, go away and stop trying to bag on the anarchist dream.
If you really want to know why the arguing by either side is stupid, listen to Bad Religion - The Answer.
We all have ideas of what will and won't work. Obviously our ideas differ, so shut up and go away.
@thenewpunkrockkid If that was your idea of being a gentleman, you need to go back to primary school because you are way off...unless you went to a trashy inner city school that gets tons of funding and still has horrible teachers because of tenure and labor contracts. Anyway, if you don't wan to respond to me then don't. I'm not forcing you to pound on keys and make your blood pressure go up, nor am I going to stop typing becaus a punk kid tells me to. Anarchy brings death, soon you will see
@dlstb That's the most gentleman you're gonna get from a 17 year old. And might I add that I am being more of a gentleman than you, who's constantly throwing insults at me. I'm not forcing you to reply either, I'm asking you to stop. Each reply you make makes me look better and you look like a jerk with nothing better to do than troll. And I'm pretty sure being born, not anarchy, brings death. But, relating to that, are you saying that death doesn't exist under government?
@thenewpunkrockkid 17, WOW!!! You are one of the lucky ones who knows all and foresees nothing. Trust me, soon all of your political ideas will change drastically because of the experiences that you have in the real world. You may not think it, but you currently are living the American dream. You are still a child and you live in a protected cocoon. The real world is much harsher and the goal once you are there is to provide that same level of protection to those who are children now.
@dlstb You still don't get it man. I know what lies ahead for me. I've done more research about history, economics, politics, future careers, industry outlooks etc. than you've been online trolling. I'm a very calculated person, and I know what to expect in any situation. I think you're someone who had all these hopes and dreams about the future, and was disappointed when he was sent off to the real world. Now, all you can do to feel satisfaction is tearing down the dreams of others.
@thenewpunkrockkid Try one simple test. Cut yourself off from all commercial transactions, electricity, and water from a municipal source. Do this for one week and you will truly see how calculated and thorough you have been.
Also, I'm pretty happy with my life so far. I spent 5 years in the Marines and I got to live on both coast and overseas. Ever been to a pub in Ireland with all the locals waving you off and kissing you goodbye? It was pretty awesome.
@dlstb What does that test have to do with this? And if I did it, I can survive. I know how to survive in the worst conditions. You really don't know who I am, and yet you think I'm some 90 lbs weakling who knows nothing. You really don't know that most of the time I'm watching t.v., I'm watching educational and survival shows. You really don't know I'm a genius in my own right, that I design airplanes for fun, that I've made designs for many new inventions. That I aspire to be a pilot/ATC.
@thenewpunkrockkid Like I said, you are one of the lucky ones who knows everything and forsees nothing. Should I mention that I am a senior studying Mechanical engineering and have experience in repairing complex aviation communication and navigation electronics to make you see that you are not the only person with at least half a brain in the world? A large part of growing up is realizing that those around you are also people and that some of them have slightly more insight and experience.
@dlstb "those around you are also people and that some of them have slightly more insight and experience." Yet you cannot even conceive that someone like me may have more expertise in the field of politics than you. Practice what you preach. Mechanical engineers are abundant and complex electronics and navigational equipment is all a matter of reading a book and getting in the field. No big deal. So easy to do. Now, I've become bored with your idiocy. I bid you a good life, good bye sir.
@thenewpunkrockkid If you can't see the arrogance that you show towards others and if you can't realize that a 17 year old may have more to learn about politics than a 26 year old Marine veteran who has taken an oath to protect The Constitution and the rights of all people, then you are truly a lost soul. Hopefully you will understand one day and temper your own opinions by taking into account others insight. It is better to learn from other mistakes than to make them all yourself.
Anarchism, in my opinion, should be an INDIVIDUALIST ideal- that one uses to ORGANIZE with other INDVIDUALISTS who may not always agree but CAN agree they do not need to be RULED, TAXED, or otherwise owned by a ruling class.
You are in denial regarding those principles but you do not understand that the MAJORITY should ALWAYS prevail.
You don't have to be an arrogant db to a 17 year old either, if you're so grown up at 26 (which I am highly suspectful of).
@PositivelyBored It really doesn't matter what your opinion of what anarchy is or what you want it to be because in reality anarchy or anarchism is actually survival of the fittest. And fittest is not always measured in personal physical strength. This means that a large group of people acting out of their own interest can take whatever they want from someone else. It is for this reason that anarchy doesn't work. The ones with any form of governance are stonger than those without.
@PositivelyBored Your opinion of what anarchy is does not change the reality of what it is. If you want to have any protected rights then you must be against anarchy. Also, anarchy is merely survival of the fittest and those who gather together are more fit than those who stand alone. It is simple math. A completely anarchist society is weak and falls like a house of card in a gentle summer breeze. A republic guided by a knowledge of the inherent rights of man however is much harder to fall.
@dlstb "anarchy is merely survival of the fittest and those who gather together are more fit than those who stand alone." can you site a source where you get this definition from plz... I never seen it in any anarchist writings OR is that just YOUR Opinion? I hope is not given you said this just b4-."Your opinion of what anarchy is does not change the reality of what it is."
@dlstb That starting in 2 weeks, I'll be in a physics class. That I make back up plans after back up plans, and prepare for countless disaster scenarios. That I've done hundreds of hours of research on government and politics. That I think of more stuff in a day than you do in a week. You really have no clue who I am, yet you insult me and try to put me and my beliefs down. I don't care if you're a marine, most of them are assholes anyway. I've met plenty. Marines are puppets of the pres.
@thenewpunkrockkid You truly sound like a child in this comment. For your information, service members are not puppets or mindless drones. We all voluntarily take an oath and we hold ourselves to that oath. If we are given orders that violate that oath we have the right and responsibility to disobey those orders. You truly need to learn a few life lessons still.
@dlstb 'Cause I'm pretty sure people die no matter what government there is. Plus, a man died recently in the U.S.A. from police brutality, so do not suggest that bad things only happen under Anarchy.
Also, chaos, disorder and destruction is an Armageddon scenario, not Anarchy. Learn the real definition of a word before you try to use it to someone who knows a lot more about it than you. It's literal translation and definition is "No rule", not "death everywhere". For your sake, stop replying.
@thenewpunkrockkid I have never suggested that any governance will be perfect. Far from it. Humans are sinners every one and as such, there will always be evil in some form. The reason that the people form a government is to minimize the risk to the majority that the minority poses. Some will give all of their rights away for this goal, most will not. I prefer to give away as little as possible of my freedom while still providing myself and others with the protection of law. That's Libertarian
@dlstb Says the guy that's made more comments to me than I've made to him. Mhmm, let me know how that goes. I'm just replying because I can't believe how stupid you are. I'll get bored watching your stupidity soon. Morons only entertain for so long.
@TheGunPulseClan If you killed someone, instead of 5 cops looking for you for 2 weeks then becoming a cold case, there'd be vigilantes and I'm sure the victim's family out on the hunt for you. And you'd get what you'd rightfully deserve: your own death. No person can rightfully kill another person unless the person attacked you and was going to kill you if you didn't kill him (self defense). So you'd deserve death.
Communist star? Not sure I follow; but there's no communist this, democratic..
@thenewpunkrockkid Your argument for vigilante justice makes sense so long as I don't think about it. The right to justice is poorly wielded in the hands of the individual, not to say that our system of justice is perfect or that the individual is incapable of achieving it, but rather I'm saying that the lack of a system leaves an even less perfect form of justice. It is out of man's respect for the life of other men that we have courts and that every accused shall have his day in that court.
@TheGunPulseClan (continued) that. The things countries put on flags stand for something. Red is freedom, blue liberty, white peace; symbols also represent things. A star represents certain things, as does it's it's color. The U.S. has 50 stars on it's flag, but that doesn't make it communist. Communists use red because it mean freedom (something communists don't give, it's a trick), but so does the U.S. and England. It all stands for some representation, it's not "Oh, that's a commie thing."
Everybody keeps saying "Ah, people are too stupid for anarchy".
Well, do you have proof? Sure, humans have done some stupid things, but pretty much all examples I can think of are biased. Of course there are wars, murders, thefts etc, but there is a backdrop behind them. With a war, it is people fighting under a flag, for a theft, it is people needing money. If we didn't have these things, then all of these threats would be reduced. All you would have to do is make sure not to piss anyone off!
Until other anarchists get wind of this and make sure that guy gets justice swiftly and decisively. Besides, we already have that happening on a daily basis and guess who is doing it? Our government. Benjamin Franklin once said that when you give up liberty for security you get neither. And he was right. Through the course of history all governments have done is proven how effective they are at killing and expanding power. Every government has ended in tyranny or to it.
@bobdull420 Correction. He actually said, "essential liberty" and " temporary security".
BTW, every time anarchy is tried it ends in government. What does that tell you about anarchy? If you truly love your liberty and freedom you should probably be a libertarian instead of a communist/socialist/anarchist. Do I have to point out to you how those three things are completely contradictory to one another and how riduculous the anarchist movement sounds?
@lazyfreedom98 Victims? So a person becomes a victim when they aren't given everything they want? How is it that a person who works in a company thinks they own any portion of that company or its profits? If they wanted to make more money they should open their own business because that is their right, but to take from another person's business is truly theft. Also, you claim that business owners are cowards when the anarchists are the ones wearing ski masks smashing windows.
ANARCHY would be so much better then this. As specially with the applications of occult technologies. Zero point energy & stuff as such. It could be a utopia, if the human animals weren't a bunch of ass-holes, but first we'd have to have a war & who knows, that kind of thing wouldn't work to bring about a utopia.
All of todays anarchists are just communists/socialists/marxists in disguise. Real anarchy is about no control, no law, no constraints on society, no goverment. But these stupid college kids running around screaming they are anarchists are just commie socialists. They exact opposite, large goverment, much control by the goverment, laws regulations, and so on. Which is exactly what a true anarchist would not want.
Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists, for the freedom.
Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists.
Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists, for the freedom.
but it seems to me that as long as there are people who are willing to hire gangs of thugs or be hired as a thug there will be "govern"ment and thus trouble for freethinkers.
everyday examples of anarchy working abound. i go outside and walk around my city, i see thousands of people walking, working, and playing together just fine without there having to be a cop every 100 yards to keep people in line. even the idea of driving, what happens when traffic lights go out but most people have the sense to slow down and take turns at the intersections. yes, there will be people who try to steal from others and the people will deal with them as they often do anyway.
some people are so ignorant and think that when people are free they will just run amok and cause chaos. idiots. the evolution of the human species has relied on cooperation and mutual aid much more than competition. its sad that people are so brainwashed that they dont want absolute freedom. youre conditioned to think people cant handle it.
A good example of this woud be the wild west. When people are given total freedom you are going to get some assholes who want to rape every pretty woman and kill everything for fun.
The people in the wild west had no leaders, and the police force was voluntary. But when people saw this they simply formed bandit gangs and terrorized everyone because there were no rules. The only way the west was tamed and peace brought to the land was through the US military.
@gunzt3rkenfu92 very good historic analogy, hey you can think, you made my week.....wow.. I like it....Thinking and reading........plant a garden call it You-topia.........and purchase now, as it's all going up.
Is there any sort of anarchy without an agenda behind it? What if I am not interested in Noam Chomsky's vision of cooperation. He claims this is anarchy, but isn't it another tribal set of rules waiting to happen? Why can't we get rid of government and other people's stupid ideologies too, and truly live as individuals?
I am sick of false promises. Liberate us from agendas, ideologies, and taxes. Fuck other people's ideals and values.If you're going to do something, do it right this time!
@riverlioness exactly! I sure as hell don't want to live in a world where I have replaced servitude to my government with servitude to community production "quotas".
"I feel for instance, I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. So where you gonna find a fairer fuckin deal than that?" - George Carlin
@ChrisinatorS GreenLand had its own Anarchy town for years and years too 2006. Also we never always had Leaders, but we did have tribes, each with there own system
Yeah but what is greenland? There arent much people living there. Anarchy in Greenland and anarchy in the US or Europe (what these people want, apparently) is a HUGE difference.
Tribes, yes, but those tribes had people who led them.
@ChrisinatorS See the thing is Anarchy isnt a system without a leader. It doesnt want a system is the thing. For example, the leader most likely could be the members of the town in witch they pick what they feel is best for their town. Rather than a Grand Master system ruled by a certian class and subject it to other classes. It is all about stopping a grand master system in witch stops freedom of the masses, also anything is possible if you put your mind too it, isnt that not what great men say
@Nitro1punky Im not a follower you punk, I do what I want. Its my own choice to keep studying, so its my choice to follow what teachers tell me. Its my own choice, my dream to become an officer in Dutch navy. People can choose whatever they want to do. You can get stoned every night, go rioting, or just get a job and lead a normal life with a woman, a house and so on. I dont give a shit if I need to pay taxes or whatever, cuz the government shows me what they do with their money. Anarchist..why?
@ChrisinatorS i didn't ask whether you where a follower, i asked if you were content....i'm an anarchist because i believe in individualism.....if you are content then so be it...continue living your lfie
@Nitro1punky You concluded that I was a 'follower'. Im not a 'follower' in the context of your anarchist views. You are asking if im 'content'. Content with what then? right, being a 'follower' which im not. So read your question again. Its like asking a normal Muslim if he or she is 'content' with the many deaths 'he' has caused with Muslim terrorism.
@Nitro1punky Then please tell me what the word 'so' means and what kind of function it has in your question? And even if you did not mean to, your question is very suggestive. You seem to be banking away from my/our whole point, so I really want to end this discussion if you keep on denying what you asked :$
Anarchists have worked violently to but only as soldiers. An example is the black army that fought against the red and white armies of Russia. And the best thing is anarchy you choose whether to do anything
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during five and a half years by the German BND, which is the former GESTAPO. I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system. My brother was tortured during 1.5 years despite several legal procedures pending. Markus Bott was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage, linked on my channel, and our book Der Totalitäre Staat. If my homepage disappears, the BND will have assassinated me as well.
JasonDamisch, dude, do your homework. Marxism is as statist as you can possibly get. Marxism demands centralized, scientific controls on everything in society. People are part of societies' stock resources that can be manipulated, shuffled, bought and sold in a Marxist world.
@scottysmo88 yes, this is true, does anyone care, probably not, but that was based on an assumption, i dont speak for everyone, i speak for myself, but as i have collected veiws over time id say the assumption, is close, so fuck you cock nose
To all the trolls (from an anarcho-capitalist!), anarchy does not mean "disorganized" society, it only means that organization MUST be voluntary. You cannot force me to organize my life the way you want it, it is my right to choose what I do. Likewise, I cannot force you to do whatever I want you to do. That's it, that is the only restriction on freedom, no aggression. The end result of anarchy is pacifism. Right now, self-defense is necessary, we're being aggressed against all the time.
an anarchist society would not be completely pacifistic people would still want to steal what you have. some might want to hurt you. an end result would be a lack of large scale wars compared to the number that exist under a government. the people that i mentioned earlier who would want to hurt or take from you might try to form some sort of milia and take totalitarian control of your society. your only options would be fight or give up the perfect society you made. better than government .
@N7a7v7i And who's going to stop me if I force you (like point a gun at your face) to do something you don;t want to do? The government?
You better pray you have connections to either a lot of people or the local "Duke of New York A-#1." Otherwise you're going to do what I say, or I will kill you.
THAT my friends is anarchy. Nobody can force you to do anything... unless they are stronger than you.
@thescarybox Who's to stop you from doing that now? Even under government, if you point a gun to a man's head and tell him to get on his knees and blow you, he'll do it. He can't call the cops, there's no vigilantes around. The fuck is going to stop you anyway? In this case, aren't we always under anarchy? The government is stronger than you and tells you what to do. Crime will always happen no matter what. That's part of life. Don't use it for an example, 'cause it can and will always happen.
@thenewpunkrockkid What's stopping you is the knowledge that you will end up paying for your crime.
In Anarchy there would be no dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week force to prevent people (whether literally or through the sheer thought of them) from committing crimes. And then bring them to justice if in fact they DO commit a crime.
In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy. Duh.
@thescarybox: "In Anarchy there would be no dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week force to prevent people (whether literally or through the sheer thought of them) from committing crimes."
The police and the fear of jail aren't the only preventatives to crime in society. And their effectiveness needs to be questioned with the amount of recidivism that happens.
@thescarybox "And then bring them to justice if in fact they DO commit a crime."
Assuming that people within a community can never act on their initiatives to punish anti-social behaviour and perhaps form their own voluntary militia systems, separate from the state and answerable to the very community they serve to maximise transparency and minimise the chance of corruption and abuse.
@thescarybox "In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy."
Why can't it be "the people"? Anarchy means "no rulers", as in no hierarchial systems. It doesn't mean that communities aren't free to develop their own rules and guidelines with the consent of the people in that very community, they don't require a distant politician or a strongman to do this for them.
@thescarybox "In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy."
Why can't it be "the people"? Anarchy means "no rulers", as in no hierarchial systems. It doesn't mean that communities aren't free to develop their own rules and guidelines with the consent of the people in that very community, they don't require a distant politician or a strongman to do this for them.
@thescarybox Know? How would you KNOW if no ones ever TESTED it? Hmm? Exactly, you dont, stop acting like you have psychic powers and can see visions or some shit... Anarchy is a belief of no government, not a test of psychic ability, so know you dont know more, I didnt see the conversation, but I know your a arrogant prick, good enough for me. ;)
@thescarybox Africa? I think you should do a bit more research, because clearly your ignorance has no bounds, but seriously you're ruining my Xmas so if you'll excuse me I got food to eat! :D
@N7a7v7i Sounds like you may have confused anarchy with Libertarianism. Anarchy, is the complete lack of government and it is the natural state of all things. Man created government to improve life and any reversion to the state of nature (anarchy) would only end in the creation of government again. Everything in this video refers to communist and socialist forms of anarchy, which is not anarchy at all because communism and socialism require strict gov't control. But Libertarianism doesn't.
@dlstb Karl Marx got some ideas from Anarchists. These anarchist ideals that Karl uses are old, the anarchists date back to at least to medieval times. Communists took some of their ideals form us. Anarchy is Anarchy, it literally means no leader.
But I do agree that anarcho-communsim is a contradiction.
Gov't was created by those who want power. The original government was tribunal, or really alpha male. Then we move into the reign of feudalism and kings. Then to other forms of gov't.
@N7a7v7i Sounds more like Libertarian than anarchy. Also, capitalism doesn't work in anarchy because there is no protection for private property. You will be set back to the times when you could only claim what you could defend.
@PositivelyBored anarcho capitalism is a compromise of one stupid idea and one absolutely great idea. But it is uneccessary because strict capitalism without government collusion is all that is needed. Also, in order for capitalism to work it need a governmental authority or at least a court of arbitration in order to enforce contracts and make judgement on contract disputes. This could be anything from a court held by clergy, fellow businessmen, any mutually agreed upon 3rd party, or a gov't.
The problem with Anarchists is they use all the luxurys that organized societys offer them without even knowing what they are. To be anti Government is just plain stupid. If they are wanting to make change in a SOCIETY they need to get engaged in a positive way, through education civil involvement. The way to make posative change is to participate in a positive way. Anarchists are such a small minority that they are just silly little bunch of vandals.
@3101010 What makes you think that anarchists do not want an organised society? Anarchists advocate a highly organised society consisting of a huge number of democratic bodies consisting of freely associating individuals, which in turn voluntarily cooperate with each other at higher levels. Anarchists want an organised society, but they want to organise it from the bottom up instead of from the top down.
@wowsa0 What makes you think that anarchists do not want an organised society?
Look up the he word.
First off you are free, But you have to have limitations to your freedom, Thats how a civil society is structured. If anarchists want no government and no taxes and no laws, they need to go off the grid and have no part of the luxurys of a civil society.
@3101010 I think you're the one that needs to look up the word, a brief read of wikipedia will do. What about Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War? I know it's an example used a lot but it was both anarchist and highly organised. They managed to build schools, hospitals, house the homeless, employ the unemployed, and continue and even increase production, while at the same time fighting a war with Franco. Pretty impressive for a disorganised society if you ask me.
@3101010 Of course I don't, it was a terrible time, I imagine war always is, I don't get what that has to do with what I said? Do you now accept then that anarchists do not advocate a disorganised society? (Which was the point we were disagreeing over)
@wowsa0 an organized society is best left to the majority of civilians, and that will always be a Governing power. Not a perfect world but much better than one with Anarchists. Also human nature is GREED and that will never work in a world were you think people would voluntarily cooperate. Just as an example look the unwillingness for an open healthcare system in the USA, The republicans would see children die before they are willing to pay a little more tax to see everyone has healthcar. GREED
@3101010 Anarchists want power to be in the hands of civilians, and most favour voting on issues which affect a group of people. However, the people that vote on any given decision should be the people directly affected by that decision. Local assemblies and communes would replace the state.
@wowsa0 Dude we allready have that structure. Municipality is an administrative division composed of a defined territory and population. School board in charge of local public schools, City Council: a municipal body that can pass ordinances and appropriate funds. neighbourhood watch:
also called a crime watch or neighborhood crime watch) is an organized group of citizens devoted to crime and vandalism. TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND GET INVOLVED LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO GOOD THINGS
@3101010 I don't follow. With the anarchist rejection of leaders, they want to get more 'involved' than anyone of any other political ideology, because they don't advocate having some higher organisation to sort things out for them. They want to abolish most forms of power and control, but in doing so they are prepared to accept a large amount of responsibility.
Good luck selling it to the majority. Keep up the good fight... Nuff said your just not getting it, and my time is just worth too much to walk you through the common sence of it. bye
@rolynstone48 i would not need to call anyone i would have a gun who would you call the police well by the time they got there she would already be raped you would be raped also lmao.
@rolynstone48 hell no. I get my revolver from the drawer and blast him in the head. Any person who would commit such a social crime should be put to death. In anarchy, the stupid would be weeded out within the first few months. By the time the police arrive, it'll be too late. you'll be stabbed or shot and your daughter will be raped. it could take over an hr before cops get there. if youre lucky, 20 minutes
ANONYMOUS IS BETTER THAN ANARCHY!
StelthSnipa 11 hours ago
BOW BEFORE MY BIG FASCIST DICK!! :O
FascistPornStarXxX 1 week ago
But anarchism as a political ideology is effective tool of creating chaos, wich the controllers of the system actually want, because it gives them freedom of instauration more control and more oppression, because general population is getting tired of endless riots and destruction. They want peace and order and government is giving that order, but it will not be in people's interests at all. It is called hegelian dialectic of ruling the masses.
Quex01 1 month ago
@Quex01 Lol...you didn't even watch the video you closed minded conspiracy theorist.
Anonpartition 3 weeks ago
Actually anarchism is itself effective form of brainashing for politically naive, mostly young people in their teens and twenties, who are naturally inclined towards rebelling against authority. It is natural mental condition of growing up to independent person.
Quex01 1 month ago
Throwing bricks is nothing compared to dropping napalm, stockpiling mustard gas and BV, shooting depleted uranium rounds, stealing money through taxation, imprisoning myself and my family.. I'll throw bricks any day to stop that. Bernadine Dohrn ... "We felt that doing nothing in a period of repressive violence is itself a form of violence. ... genocide, and you sit there and you don't do anything about it, that's violence. ... I'm not committed to non-violence in any way.
cobrachoppergirl 1 month ago
the so is prelude to the question i am posing, everything is potentially subjective especially given the sense that we all perceive things to differently...i'm not denying anything, you're merely being presumptuous, i asked you a question, which you clearly didn't understand and u failed to ask what i meant by the question instead you merely drew up a conclusion on it
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
Anarchy is a totally idiotic 'form of thinking'. Its based upon nothing. And the funny thing is, its so stupid nobody understands it. Just look at the vids on the right side of the video; 70 percent is about: what is anarchy? Seriously, this says alot about this concept. Its so not-understandable that largest part of vids about it try to explain it, while theres tons of discussions going on about what the hell this is. It has no base, its just a justification to go on the streets to kick dust.
ChrisinatorS 2 months ago
@ChrisinatorS That has to do with people trying to get rid of the stereotype of anarchists being people who run around throwing bricks through windows and blowing shit up. Anarchy is quiet understandable, but few people understand it, or even give a flying alarm clock.
BubbaHoggit 1 month ago
@BubbaHoggit
As long as anarchists keep throwing bricks, destroying property and rioting I will keep this 'stereotype'. Oh yes I fully understand what anarchists want (or don't I?): no more 'leaders', no more 'upper' powers, just total individualism, while taking care of others? Well, thats simply not possible, especially with modern day population numbers.
ChrisinatorS 1 month ago
@ChrisinatorS My point not being that anarchists don't throw bricks, but rather that not all do. The stupid morons who just want to cause trouble give the rest of us a horrible name.
BubbaHoggit 1 month ago
When i was younger i always thought anarchy was just another word for chaos.
But now i know its socialist, marxist & opppressive (due to anit property rights, anti individualism and anti free market)
I mean how you going to collect taxes, how are you going to force people to give up there property & give taxes to lazy bums?
This will never work, it's like communism it sounds good on paper but would you work for free - i know i wouldnt unless it was helping my parents or a friend move LoL
MrHairyNutz 2 months ago
@MrHairyNutz how the hell is anarchy oppressive, how is it anti-individualism, democracy is anti-individualism by definition and "anti free market" do you even know what you're typing about or you're just part of the herd, you just follow the mainstream opinion without actually thinking for yourself?
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
@Nitro1punky I already explained why its oppressive or are you to stupid to read.
Socialism by definition is collective so thus it is anti-individual.
For example lets say if we bulldoze your house so that it will benifit the masses then SO BE IT.
That is oppressive & anti property rights which by most anarchist idealogies is.
explain to me why you believe anarchism will work.
I had to read everything in my last post and i dont see how you came to your conclusion thus your mind is made.
MrHairyNutz 2 months ago
@MrHairyNutz firstly if i was too stupid to read i wouldn't have been able to disagree with your views... according to my school of thought what you are referring to is social anarchism or libertarian socialism..., socialism involves some form of political structure, anarchism does not, anarchism is decentralisation of power. In socialism e public owns and manages e state's resources however anarchism involves individuals governing themselves and managing eir own resources,how is that anti-prpty
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
0:32 "now hold on taylor, imma let you finish, BUT BEYONCE HAD ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS OF ALL TIME!"
cloudpaladin 4 months ago
Anarchy, that will last about a week.
beefygoblin 5 months ago
@beefygoblin how do you know...do you have any evidence supporting this assumption of yours or did you just dream it up
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
Anarchy is self defense in the class war, the moral will to act and to do what is necessary to fight injustice and tyranny.
cranyonrye 6 months ago
HELL TO CHAOS
SuperKyle369 6 months ago
Ok I have a couple questions about Anarchy
What is we have a war? How would we last?
what about the technology we have to day, and the future?
would we still comtinue to study/make technology better?
And I'm a Christain can I still follow what I believe if I'm an Anarchist?
Please awnser my questions Thank You
TheGunPulseClan 6 months ago
@TheGunPulseClan Local voluntary militias would band together to fight a war on a home front (how the Revolutionary war was fought); no war outside of our borders.
Technology will be fine. People will continue to study, make inventions and work to keep everything online. It would be just human nature for some people, like me.
Yes you can still follow Christianity. In a way, they're intertwined. The only kind of "rules" that exist in anarchy are morals much like those of the Christian faith.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid What about child molestation dont you think that would be pretty sick if that was legal?
TheGunPulseClan 6 months ago
@TheGunPulseClan Child molestation is immoral, those who would do it, like they are now, would be outcast, shunned, spit on, and looked down upon. Vigilantes would do the same or better job than cops at punishing such criminals. Even if a vigilante takes it too far and tortures the person to death (which is also immoral), not too many people would care anyway. Would you care if you read a known child molester was possibly over punished and killed by someone trying to keep peace?
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid hmm seems pretty cool
TheGunPulseClan 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid How do you keep the vigilante justice system from evolving into a regular police force? It seems like anarchists just prefer the state of nature in which there is no law and it is survival of the fittest. Remember, fittest isn't synonomous with largest. Sometimes the fittest is the one with the most friends, and that is suprisingly close to gov't force. So really, how do you keep anarchy from evolving into a governed body ruled by the fittest? Seems like a flaw in the plan.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb Seems like someone doesn't have critical thinking skills. I really shouldn't even answer this. Vigilantes are vigilantes. A police force means paid volunteers, vigilantes do it to for the better of man; they get no reward other than the satisfaction of knowing their neighbors are safer.
If an anarchist movement can take down a government with millions of weapons and tons of soldiers, why would just a local volunteer militia not be able to take down a regional dictator and his small army?
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Aparently YOU don't get it. People have the right to associate with others freely, so how do you keep people from associating for the sake of a common defense and their general well being. That would effectively create a police force and a government, which is not vigilante justice and anarchy. There is no way to enforce anarchy and no way to keep governments from forming. Gov't is a natural evolution from the natural state of anarchy.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb ....Can't tell if troll, or just really stupid...
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid I'll help. You are just really stupid. It isn't hard to understand that government forms from the natural state of nature, which is anarchy, as a way to increase the security of the family and the community as a whole. While anarchy seeks to rid the world of governing bodies, Libertarians simply seek to limit the scope of government to protecting the individual against force and coercion. This isn't that hard, you just seem too entranced for thought to break through.
dlstb 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Curious. What do you call the numerous volunteer deputies, fire fighters, and rescue personnel that already suplement our full time paid emergency services? Are they vigilantes?
I hardly think so. Vigilante justice has nothing to do with the pay status of the perons involved. Rather, it has to do with how justice is applied. Basically, vigilante justice doesn't give the individual the right to a fair trial. That said, I'd shoot anyone breaking into my home on sight.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb Still can't tell if troll or just really stupid and lacking basic thinking skills. Do you not know how to get outside of the box? Or have you been in a cubicle so long this is what I should always expect from you? Keep trying though, you're getting just a little closer with that last part. Maybe you'll eventually get the idea wrapped around your head. Until then, buzz off. I don't wanna wake up in the morning and see you've replied with some idiotic, sideways comment.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid You are difinately an idiot. It also appears that you are a child with his fingers pushed firmly into his ears screaming at the top of his lungs. Do me a favor. When you are done throwing your little hissy fit, go wash the wax off your fingers and use some q-tips to clean out your ears. Be careful though, I wouldn't want you to stab out your eardrum with a cotton swab. If you can't tell why Libertarianism is better than anarchy you are definately a child in every sense.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb Are you done throwing your hissy fit on the internet? Because the adults would like to talk now. Please man, grow up. Look at your last comment, you're the one that looks like a child trying to throw all those insults. Please, be quiet. I believe in Anarchy, you Libertarianism. No amount of arguing is going to change that, clearly. So please just shut the hell up and let me live my life the way I want to, and I'll return the favor. Good day sir.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid You're right, there is no amount of arguing that can prove to you mindless hordes that anarchy is no better than the system that we currently have. You won't be happy until there is no such thing as a human right or laws to protect those rights when they are violated. I hope that all of you reap what you have sewn and that one day you live in a lawless society not unlike any current zombie horror flick. Maybe then you will realize what anarchy truly is, chaos.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb *sigh* Not even trying to be a gentlemen will apparently get you to shut up. For the love of God, just go away. In the end, people are going to look at our comments and say, "Wow, they're BOTH pathetic." So please just shut up, go away and stop trying to bag on the anarchist dream.
If you really want to know why the arguing by either side is stupid, listen to Bad Religion - The Answer.
We all have ideas of what will and won't work. Obviously our ideas differ, so shut up and go away.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid If that was your idea of being a gentleman, you need to go back to primary school because you are way off...unless you went to a trashy inner city school that gets tons of funding and still has horrible teachers because of tenure and labor contracts. Anyway, if you don't wan to respond to me then don't. I'm not forcing you to pound on keys and make your blood pressure go up, nor am I going to stop typing becaus a punk kid tells me to. Anarchy brings death, soon you will see
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb That's the most gentleman you're gonna get from a 17 year old. And might I add that I am being more of a gentleman than you, who's constantly throwing insults at me. I'm not forcing you to reply either, I'm asking you to stop. Each reply you make makes me look better and you look like a jerk with nothing better to do than troll. And I'm pretty sure being born, not anarchy, brings death. But, relating to that, are you saying that death doesn't exist under government?
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid 17, WOW!!! You are one of the lucky ones who knows all and foresees nothing. Trust me, soon all of your political ideas will change drastically because of the experiences that you have in the real world. You may not think it, but you currently are living the American dream. You are still a child and you live in a protected cocoon. The real world is much harsher and the goal once you are there is to provide that same level of protection to those who are children now.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb You still don't get it man. I know what lies ahead for me. I've done more research about history, economics, politics, future careers, industry outlooks etc. than you've been online trolling. I'm a very calculated person, and I know what to expect in any situation. I think you're someone who had all these hopes and dreams about the future, and was disappointed when he was sent off to the real world. Now, all you can do to feel satisfaction is tearing down the dreams of others.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Try one simple test. Cut yourself off from all commercial transactions, electricity, and water from a municipal source. Do this for one week and you will truly see how calculated and thorough you have been.
Also, I'm pretty happy with my life so far. I spent 5 years in the Marines and I got to live on both coast and overseas. Ever been to a pub in Ireland with all the locals waving you off and kissing you goodbye? It was pretty awesome.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb What does that test have to do with this? And if I did it, I can survive. I know how to survive in the worst conditions. You really don't know who I am, and yet you think I'm some 90 lbs weakling who knows nothing. You really don't know that most of the time I'm watching t.v., I'm watching educational and survival shows. You really don't know I'm a genius in my own right, that I design airplanes for fun, that I've made designs for many new inventions. That I aspire to be a pilot/ATC.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Like I said, you are one of the lucky ones who knows everything and forsees nothing. Should I mention that I am a senior studying Mechanical engineering and have experience in repairing complex aviation communication and navigation electronics to make you see that you are not the only person with at least half a brain in the world? A large part of growing up is realizing that those around you are also people and that some of them have slightly more insight and experience.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb "those around you are also people and that some of them have slightly more insight and experience." Yet you cannot even conceive that someone like me may have more expertise in the field of politics than you. Practice what you preach. Mechanical engineers are abundant and complex electronics and navigational equipment is all a matter of reading a book and getting in the field. No big deal. So easy to do. Now, I've become bored with your idiocy. I bid you a good life, good bye sir.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid If you can't see the arrogance that you show towards others and if you can't realize that a 17 year old may have more to learn about politics than a 26 year old Marine veteran who has taken an oath to protect The Constitution and the rights of all people, then you are truly a lost soul. Hopefully you will understand one day and temper your own opinions by taking into account others insight. It is better to learn from other mistakes than to make them all yourself.
dlstb 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Also, I'd like to congratulate you by totally skipping around the conversation you were having with dlstb.
Prancing around telling everybody how much experience you have with this stuff, but still never answering the question placed in front of you.
It's funny because someone as "intelligent" as you should be able to answer a question in defense of your own ideals.
So come on man, drop the act. You don't know the answer. Even fools like me and dlstb know anarchy is broken.
thescarybox 4 months ago
@dlstb
Anarchism, in my opinion, should be an INDIVIDUALIST ideal- that one uses to ORGANIZE with other INDVIDUALISTS who may not always agree but CAN agree they do not need to be RULED, TAXED, or otherwise owned by a ruling class.
You are in denial regarding those principles but you do not understand that the MAJORITY should ALWAYS prevail.
You don't have to be an arrogant db to a 17 year old either, if you're so grown up at 26 (which I am highly suspectful of).
PositivelyBored 3 months ago
@PositivelyBored It really doesn't matter what your opinion of what anarchy is or what you want it to be because in reality anarchy or anarchism is actually survival of the fittest. And fittest is not always measured in personal physical strength. This means that a large group of people acting out of their own interest can take whatever they want from someone else. It is for this reason that anarchy doesn't work. The ones with any form of governance are stonger than those without.
dlstb 3 months ago
@PositivelyBored Your opinion of what anarchy is does not change the reality of what it is. If you want to have any protected rights then you must be against anarchy. Also, anarchy is merely survival of the fittest and those who gather together are more fit than those who stand alone. It is simple math. A completely anarchist society is weak and falls like a house of card in a gentle summer breeze. A republic guided by a knowledge of the inherent rights of man however is much harder to fall.
dlstb 3 months ago
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@dlstb "anarchy is merely survival of the fittest and those who gather together are more fit than those who stand alone." can you site a source where you get this definition from plz... I never seen it in any anarchist writings OR is that just YOUR Opinion? I hope is not given you said this just b4-."Your opinion of what anarchy is does not change the reality of what it is."
N0g0dzN0masterz 3 months ago
@dlstb That starting in 2 weeks, I'll be in a physics class. That I make back up plans after back up plans, and prepare for countless disaster scenarios. That I've done hundreds of hours of research on government and politics. That I think of more stuff in a day than you do in a week. You really have no clue who I am, yet you insult me and try to put me and my beliefs down. I don't care if you're a marine, most of them are assholes anyway. I've met plenty. Marines are puppets of the pres.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid You truly sound like a child in this comment. For your information, service members are not puppets or mindless drones. We all voluntarily take an oath and we hold ourselves to that oath. If we are given orders that violate that oath we have the right and responsibility to disobey those orders. You truly need to learn a few life lessons still.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb 'Cause I'm pretty sure people die no matter what government there is. Plus, a man died recently in the U.S.A. from police brutality, so do not suggest that bad things only happen under Anarchy.
Also, chaos, disorder and destruction is an Armageddon scenario, not Anarchy. Learn the real definition of a word before you try to use it to someone who knows a lot more about it than you. It's literal translation and definition is "No rule", not "death everywhere". For your sake, stop replying.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid I have never suggested that any governance will be perfect. Far from it. Humans are sinners every one and as such, there will always be evil in some form. The reason that the people form a government is to minimize the risk to the majority that the minority poses. Some will give all of their rights away for this goal, most will not. I prefer to give away as little as possible of my freedom while still providing myself and others with the protection of law. That's Libertarian
dlstb 6 months ago
BTW, It appears that you have nothing better to do than to reply to my comments. Keep it coming and I will continue to teach you.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb Says the guy that's made more comments to me than I've made to him. Mhmm, let me know how that goes. I'm just replying because I can't believe how stupid you are. I'll get bored watching your stupidity soon. Morons only entertain for so long.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid I have a couple more questions if Anarchy took control. What if you killed someone?
And whats with the Communist star?
TheGunPulseClan 6 months ago
@TheGunPulseClan If you killed someone, instead of 5 cops looking for you for 2 weeks then becoming a cold case, there'd be vigilantes and I'm sure the victim's family out on the hunt for you. And you'd get what you'd rightfully deserve: your own death. No person can rightfully kill another person unless the person attacked you and was going to kill you if you didn't kill him (self defense). So you'd deserve death.
Communist star? Not sure I follow; but there's no communist this, democratic..
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid Your argument for vigilante justice makes sense so long as I don't think about it. The right to justice is poorly wielded in the hands of the individual, not to say that our system of justice is perfect or that the individual is incapable of achieving it, but rather I'm saying that the lack of a system leaves an even less perfect form of justice. It is out of man's respect for the life of other men that we have courts and that every accused shall have his day in that court.
dlstb 6 months ago
@TheGunPulseClan (continued) that. The things countries put on flags stand for something. Red is freedom, blue liberty, white peace; symbols also represent things. A star represents certain things, as does it's it's color. The U.S. has 50 stars on it's flag, but that doesn't make it communist. Communists use red because it mean freedom (something communists don't give, it's a trick), but so does the U.S. and England. It all stands for some representation, it's not "Oh, that's a commie thing."
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
Everybody keeps saying "Ah, people are too stupid for anarchy".
Well, do you have proof? Sure, humans have done some stupid things, but pretty much all examples I can think of are biased. Of course there are wars, murders, thefts etc, but there is a backdrop behind them. With a war, it is people fighting under a flag, for a theft, it is people needing money. If we didn't have these things, then all of these threats would be reduced. All you would have to do is make sure not to piss anyone off!
Crabbensmasher 6 months ago
@thescarybox
Until other anarchists get wind of this and make sure that guy gets justice swiftly and decisively. Besides, we already have that happening on a daily basis and guess who is doing it? Our government. Benjamin Franklin once said that when you give up liberty for security you get neither. And he was right. Through the course of history all governments have done is proven how effective they are at killing and expanding power. Every government has ended in tyranny or to it.
bobdull420 6 months ago
@bobdull420 Correction. He actually said, "essential liberty" and " temporary security".
BTW, every time anarchy is tried it ends in government. What does that tell you about anarchy? If you truly love your liberty and freedom you should probably be a libertarian instead of a communist/socialist/anarchist. Do I have to point out to you how those three things are completely contradictory to one another and how riduculous the anarchist movement sounds?
dlstb 6 months ago
U can't say anarchy doesn't work if there's no good example another country or ourselves have set to try it out, it would probobly work
Seeloffroxable 6 months ago
Most black clad violent people are victims that work for the cowards.
lazyfreedom98 7 months ago
@lazyfreedom98 Victims? So a person becomes a victim when they aren't given everything they want? How is it that a person who works in a company thinks they own any portion of that company or its profits? If they wanted to make more money they should open their own business because that is their right, but to take from another person's business is truly theft. Also, you claim that business owners are cowards when the anarchists are the ones wearing ski masks smashing windows.
dlstb 6 months ago
Do you have to be into Bad music to be an anarchist? Just being ironic and judgemental ;) Peace. Go Anarchy!
bdmenne 7 months ago
ANARCHY would be so much better then this. As specially with the applications of occult technologies. Zero point energy & stuff as such. It could be a utopia, if the human animals weren't a bunch of ass-holes, but first we'd have to have a war & who knows, that kind of thing wouldn't work to bring about a utopia.
grimbattalion 7 months ago in playlist Stop the new order
Anarchy is domestic terrorism. Conformity is the only patriotic movement approved by the Congress and Presidential Office.
PhokKai 8 months ago
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bobdull420 6 months ago
@PhokKai Retard, enjoy your flouride
jackvincent90 6 months ago
A lot of people love being on a leash and being told what to do and think.... Thats sad.
TheWho58 8 months ago
Anarchy is the only future of Humanity
likemonkeyss 8 months ago 2
Fuck Anarchists
64TbirdLandau 9 months ago
@64TbirdLandau No thanks, but I totally respect your lifestyle. If you like to fuck guys, more power to ya.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
All of todays anarchists are just communists/socialists/marxists in disguise. Real anarchy is about no control, no law, no constraints on society, no goverment. But these stupid college kids running around screaming they are anarchists are just commie socialists. They exact opposite, large goverment, much control by the goverment, laws regulations, and so on. Which is exactly what a true anarchist would not want.
thewulfone 9 months ago
oh by the way whats the melt banana song
Dem640 9 months ago
anyone else see george washingtons face at 1:24 ?
Dem640 9 months ago
Fuck the world leader facists !!!
We can make rash decisions on our own
private companys need to hand the property to the middle working class people!
WE will take what we deserve !
PaulMFliebler 9 months ago
THIS GUY IS A FUCKING MORON!! ANARCHY = A DIFFERENT FASCIST FLAVOR!!! Who is he trying to persuade? The morally retarded.
NARDDB 9 months ago
How do I Anarchy?
anonymousassasin1 9 months ago
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Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists, for the freedom.
Salud y Anarquia compañeros.
PrettyElectro 10 months ago
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Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists.
Salud y Anarquia compañeros.
PrettyElectro 10 months ago
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Anarchy is possible, in 1936, Spain practice anarchy in the civil war, and it works, the people discuss their problems in asembly, every body have what you need, free education, there is work to choose... My grandfather was an anarchist in this year and fight against communists and fascists, for the freedom.
Salud y Anarquia compañeros.
PrettyElectro 10 months ago
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brokor1 10 months ago
Dude, I just cant find this song anywhere :\ can you upload it on youtube so we can listen? :D
Alenthas 10 months ago
his audio is BS, but the loud punk rock is nice. we HAVE a free country, don't back some of his crazy ideas and his labels.....just do YOUR life.
thepixieful 11 months ago
@thepixieful but for how long?
4321wasted 11 months ago
but it seems to me that as long as there are people who are willing to hire gangs of thugs or be hired as a thug there will be "govern"ment and thus trouble for freethinkers.
desirefirst 11 months ago
everyday examples of anarchy working abound. i go outside and walk around my city, i see thousands of people walking, working, and playing together just fine without there having to be a cop every 100 yards to keep people in line. even the idea of driving, what happens when traffic lights go out but most people have the sense to slow down and take turns at the intersections. yes, there will be people who try to steal from others and the people will deal with them as they often do anyway.
desirefirst 11 months ago 8
some people are so ignorant and think that when people are free they will just run amok and cause chaos. idiots. the evolution of the human species has relied on cooperation and mutual aid much more than competition. its sad that people are so brainwashed that they dont want absolute freedom. youre conditioned to think people cant handle it.
mikeadever 11 months ago 11
A good example of this woud be the wild west. When people are given total freedom you are going to get some assholes who want to rape every pretty woman and kill everything for fun.
The people in the wild west had no leaders, and the police force was voluntary. But when people saw this they simply formed bandit gangs and terrorized everyone because there were no rules. The only way the west was tamed and peace brought to the land was through the US military.
How would this be any different.
gunzt3rkenfu92 1 year ago
@gunzt3rkenfu92 very good historic analogy, hey you can think, you made my week.....wow.. I like it....Thinking and reading........plant a garden call it You-topia.........and purchase now, as it's all going up.
thepixieful 11 months ago
Is there any sort of anarchy without an agenda behind it? What if I am not interested in Noam Chomsky's vision of cooperation. He claims this is anarchy, but isn't it another tribal set of rules waiting to happen? Why can't we get rid of government and other people's stupid ideologies too, and truly live as individuals?
I am sick of false promises. Liberate us from agendas, ideologies, and taxes. Fuck other people's ideals and values.If you're going to do something, do it right this time!
riverlioness 1 year ago 4
@riverlioness exactly! I sure as hell don't want to live in a world where I have replaced servitude to my government with servitude to community production "quotas".
allwittynamestaken 11 months ago
did'int know what the A was for till watching the news...im not down with the A but i dont care for bitchy people!!!
leonnostradamus 1 year ago
Anarchy works....Philadelphia is a great place to live as long as you can dodge the bullets
timetodepop 1 year ago
"I feel for instance, I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. So where you gonna find a fairer fuckin deal than that?" - George Carlin
This is anarchism.
futbolfever90 1 year ago 2
Beautiful :)
katrudy7 1 year ago
We have people in leadership since we exist. People in leadership are everywhere, even in your group of friends (A types and B types).
Leaders are essential in this world.
Anarchy doesnt exist.
ChrisinatorS 1 year ago
@ChrisinatorS GreenLand had its own Anarchy town for years and years too 2006. Also we never always had Leaders, but we did have tribes, each with there own system
revron77 1 year ago
@revron77
Yeah but what is greenland? There arent much people living there. Anarchy in Greenland and anarchy in the US or Europe (what these people want, apparently) is a HUGE difference.
Tribes, yes, but those tribes had people who led them.
ChrisinatorS 1 year ago
@ChrisinatorS See the thing is Anarchy isnt a system without a leader. It doesnt want a system is the thing. For example, the leader most likely could be the members of the town in witch they pick what they feel is best for their town. Rather than a Grand Master system ruled by a certian class and subject it to other classes. It is all about stopping a grand master system in witch stops freedom of the masses, also anything is possible if you put your mind too it, isnt that not what great men say
revron77 1 year ago
@ChrisinatorS Greenland's a territory of Denmark
thecrazyjewishkid 1 year ago
@ChrisinatorS so you're content with being a follower...a sheep?
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
@Nitro1punky Im not a follower you punk, I do what I want. Its my own choice to keep studying, so its my choice to follow what teachers tell me. Its my own choice, my dream to become an officer in Dutch navy. People can choose whatever they want to do. You can get stoned every night, go rioting, or just get a job and lead a normal life with a woman, a house and so on. I dont give a shit if I need to pay taxes or whatever, cuz the government shows me what they do with their money. Anarchist..why?
ChrisinatorS 2 months ago
@ChrisinatorS i didn't ask whether you where a follower, i asked if you were content....i'm an anarchist because i believe in individualism.....if you are content then so be it...continue living your lfie
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
@Nitro1punky You concluded that I was a 'follower'. Im not a 'follower' in the context of your anarchist views. You are asking if im 'content'. Content with what then? right, being a 'follower' which im not. So read your question again. Its like asking a normal Muslim if he or she is 'content' with the many deaths 'he' has caused with Muslim terrorism.
ChrisinatorS 2 months ago
@ChrisinatorS i didn't conclude anything i asked you a question...and i meant follower as in one who does not think for himself
Nitro1punky 2 months ago
@Nitro1punky Then please tell me what the word 'so' means and what kind of function it has in your question? And even if you did not mean to, your question is very suggestive. You seem to be banking away from my/our whole point, so I really want to end this discussion if you keep on denying what you asked :$
ChrisinatorS 2 months ago
I'm not Anti-Government, I'm Pro-Anarchy.
MovieMagicMaster 1 year ago
uploaded on my birthday!!!! :D
animaeadict1 1 year ago
Anarchists have worked violently to but only as soldiers. An example is the black army that fought against the red and white armies of Russia. And the best thing is anarchy you choose whether to do anything
wowalinbie 1 year ago
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TheAttackRat 1 year ago
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My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during five and a half years by the German BND, which is the former GESTAPO. I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system. My brother was tortured during 1.5 years despite several legal procedures pending. Markus Bott was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage, linked on my channel, and our book Der Totalitäre Staat. If my homepage disappears, the BND will have assassinated me as well.
Martin Bott
wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
JasonDamisch, dude, do your homework. Marxism is as statist as you can possibly get. Marxism demands centralized, scientific controls on everything in society. People are part of societies' stock resources that can be manipulated, shuffled, bought and sold in a Marxist world.
andrewthejones 1 year ago 14
Anarchy is oppression by the Left. It is Marxism
JasonDamisch 1 year ago
@JasonDamisch anarchy isn't part of the left or right
Kaaotikock 1 year ago
Hm, anarchist posting on a corporate-controlled video sharing website.
scottysmo88 1 year ago
@scottysmo88 yes, this is true, does anyone care, probably not, but that was based on an assumption, i dont speak for everyone, i speak for myself, but as i have collected veiws over time id say the assumption, is close, so fuck you cock nose
bmxmisfits 1 year ago
@scottysmo88 Are you saying that companies don't exist in an anarchist world?
GtheMVP 1 year ago
hey guys look, someone's being a tool...
animaeadict1 1 year ago
To all the trolls (from an anarcho-capitalist!), anarchy does not mean "disorganized" society, it only means that organization MUST be voluntary. You cannot force me to organize my life the way you want it, it is my right to choose what I do. Likewise, I cannot force you to do whatever I want you to do. That's it, that is the only restriction on freedom, no aggression. The end result of anarchy is pacifism. Right now, self-defense is necessary, we're being aggressed against all the time.
N7a7v7i 1 year ago 35
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@N7a7v7i in an anarchy you have no rights
ExperiencedAndWise 1 year ago
an anarchist society would not be completely pacifistic people would still want to steal what you have. some might want to hurt you. an end result would be a lack of large scale wars compared to the number that exist under a government. the people that i mentioned earlier who would want to hurt or take from you might try to form some sort of milia and take totalitarian control of your society. your only options would be fight or give up the perfect society you made. better than government .
FuckYoGod 10 months ago
@FuckYoGod In an anarchist society people wouldn't want to steal, or kill, or murder. There just would not be any reason to do so.
LakatosIsti 9 months ago
@FuckYoGod You're thinking from the point of view of someone who has known only coercion and violence all of their life. Of course you believe that.
FightToUnderstand 9 months ago
@N7a7v7i There is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism. Get fucked, you are not my comrade. Greedy fuck.
FightToUnderstand 9 months ago
@FightToUnderstand fuck you too! I'm sure as hell not getting ruled by you and your gang.
allwittynamestaken 9 months ago
@N7a7v7i And who's going to stop me if I force you (like point a gun at your face) to do something you don;t want to do? The government?
You better pray you have connections to either a lot of people or the local "Duke of New York A-#1." Otherwise you're going to do what I say, or I will kill you.
THAT my friends is anarchy. Nobody can force you to do anything... unless they are stronger than you.
thescarybox 8 months ago
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bobdull420 6 months ago
@thescarybox Who's to stop you from doing that now? Even under government, if you point a gun to a man's head and tell him to get on his knees and blow you, he'll do it. He can't call the cops, there's no vigilantes around. The fuck is going to stop you anyway? In this case, aren't we always under anarchy? The government is stronger than you and tells you what to do. Crime will always happen no matter what. That's part of life. Don't use it for an example, 'cause it can and will always happen.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid What's stopping you is the knowledge that you will end up paying for your crime.
In Anarchy there would be no dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week force to prevent people (whether literally or through the sheer thought of them) from committing crimes. And then bring them to justice if in fact they DO commit a crime.
In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy. Duh.
thescarybox 4 months ago
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@thescarybox "What's stopping you is the knowledge that you will end up paying for your crime."
A lot of people make the mistake of believing that morality and empathy for others don't exist outside the legal system or the church.
"In Anarchy there would be no dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week force to prevent people....from committing crimes."
There wouldn't be one preventing victims from defending themselves and each other either.
jpbb1976 4 months ago
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@thescarybox: "In Anarchy there would be no dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week force to prevent people (whether literally or through the sheer thought of them) from committing crimes."
The police and the fear of jail aren't the only preventatives to crime in society. And their effectiveness needs to be questioned with the amount of recidivism that happens.
jpbb1976 4 months ago
@thescarybox "And then bring them to justice if in fact they DO commit a crime."
Assuming that people within a community can never act on their initiatives to punish anti-social behaviour and perhaps form their own voluntary militia systems, separate from the state and answerable to the very community they serve to maximise transparency and minimise the chance of corruption and abuse.
jpbb1976 4 months ago
@thescarybox "In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy."
Why can't it be "the people"? Anarchy means "no rulers", as in no hierarchial systems. It doesn't mean that communities aren't free to develop their own rules and guidelines with the consent of the people in that very community, they don't require a distant politician or a strongman to do this for them.
jpbb1976 4 months ago
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@thescarybox "In Anarchy who gives individuals the right to form such groups? Can't be "the people", because people grouping together to form rules and such isn't anarchy."
Why can't it be "the people"? Anarchy means "no rulers", as in no hierarchial systems. It doesn't mean that communities aren't free to develop their own rules and guidelines with the consent of the people in that very community, they don't require a distant politician or a strongman to do this for them.
jpbb1976 4 months ago
@thescarybox Know? How would you KNOW if no ones ever TESTED it? Hmm? Exactly, you dont, stop acting like you have psychic powers and can see visions or some shit... Anarchy is a belief of no government, not a test of psychic ability, so know you dont know more, I didnt see the conversation, but I know your a arrogant prick, good enough for me. ;)
USABonez 2 months ago
@USABonez Ever been to Africa?
Yeah, anarchy totally works. Totally.
thescarybox 1 month ago
@thescarybox Ever heard of dictators? In Africa?
BubbaHoggit 1 month ago
@thescarybox Africa? I think you should do a bit more research, because clearly your ignorance has no bounds, but seriously you're ruining my Xmas so if you'll excuse me I got food to eat! :D
USABonez 1 month ago
@N7a7v7i Sounds like you may have confused anarchy with Libertarianism. Anarchy, is the complete lack of government and it is the natural state of all things. Man created government to improve life and any reversion to the state of nature (anarchy) would only end in the creation of government again. Everything in this video refers to communist and socialist forms of anarchy, which is not anarchy at all because communism and socialism require strict gov't control. But Libertarianism doesn't.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb Karl Marx got some ideas from Anarchists. These anarchist ideals that Karl uses are old, the anarchists date back to at least to medieval times. Communists took some of their ideals form us. Anarchy is Anarchy, it literally means no leader.
But I do agree that anarcho-communsim is a contradiction.
Gov't was created by those who want power. The original government was tribunal, or really alpha male. Then we move into the reign of feudalism and kings. Then to other forms of gov't.
thenewpunkrockkid 6 months ago
@N7a7v7i Sounds more like Libertarian than anarchy. Also, capitalism doesn't work in anarchy because there is no protection for private property. You will be set back to the times when you could only claim what you could defend.
dlstb 6 months ago
@dlstb
have you not heard of anarcho-capitalism?
PositivelyBored 3 months ago
@PositivelyBored anarcho capitalism is a compromise of one stupid idea and one absolutely great idea. But it is uneccessary because strict capitalism without government collusion is all that is needed. Also, in order for capitalism to work it need a governmental authority or at least a court of arbitration in order to enforce contracts and make judgement on contract disputes. This could be anything from a court held by clergy, fellow businessmen, any mutually agreed upon 3rd party, or a gov't.
dlstb 3 months ago
The problem with Anarchists is they use all the luxurys that organized societys offer them without even knowing what they are. To be anti Government is just plain stupid. If they are wanting to make change in a SOCIETY they need to get engaged in a positive way, through education civil involvement. The way to make posative change is to participate in a positive way. Anarchists are such a small minority that they are just silly little bunch of vandals.
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 What makes you think that anarchists do not want an organised society? Anarchists advocate a highly organised society consisting of a huge number of democratic bodies consisting of freely associating individuals, which in turn voluntarily cooperate with each other at higher levels. Anarchists want an organised society, but they want to organise it from the bottom up instead of from the top down.
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 What makes you think that anarchists do not want an organised society?
Look up the he word.
First off you are free, But you have to have limitations to your freedom, Thats how a civil society is structured. If anarchists want no government and no taxes and no laws, they need to go off the grid and have no part of the luxurys of a civil society.
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 I think you're the one that needs to look up the word, a brief read of wikipedia will do. What about Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War? I know it's an example used a lot but it was both anarchist and highly organised. They managed to build schools, hospitals, house the homeless, employ the unemployed, and continue and even increase production, while at the same time fighting a war with Franco. Pretty impressive for a disorganised society if you ask me.
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 so you think the time of the Spanish Civil War was a civil time..... Good for YOUUUUU! retard.
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 Of course I don't, it was a terrible time, I imagine war always is, I don't get what that has to do with what I said? Do you now accept then that anarchists do not advocate a disorganised society? (Which was the point we were disagreeing over)
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 an organized society is best left to the majority of civilians, and that will always be a Governing power. Not a perfect world but much better than one with Anarchists. Also human nature is GREED and that will never work in a world were you think people would voluntarily cooperate. Just as an example look the unwillingness for an open healthcare system in the USA, The republicans would see children die before they are willing to pay a little more tax to see everyone has healthcar. GREED
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 Anarchists want power to be in the hands of civilians, and most favour voting on issues which affect a group of people. However, the people that vote on any given decision should be the people directly affected by that decision. Local assemblies and communes would replace the state.
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 Dude we allready have that structure. Municipality is an administrative division composed of a defined territory and population. School board in charge of local public schools, City Council: a municipal body that can pass ordinances and appropriate funds. neighbourhood watch:
also called a crime watch or neighborhood crime watch) is an organized group of citizens devoted to crime and vandalism. TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND GET INVOLVED LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO GOOD THINGS
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 You don't think anarchists get involved?
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 0:39
Listen to the video....
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 I don't follow. With the anarchist rejection of leaders, they want to get more 'involved' than anyone of any other political ideology, because they don't advocate having some higher organisation to sort things out for them. They want to abolish most forms of power and control, but in doing so they are prepared to accept a large amount of responsibility.
wowsa0 1 year ago
@wowsa0 Yah thats a bad idea and wont work.
Good luck selling it to the majority. Keep up the good fight... Nuff said your just not getting it, and my time is just worth too much to walk you through the common sence of it. bye
3101010 1 year ago
@3101010 "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." -Albert Einstein
wowsa0 1 year ago
No sound
straightfistpit 1 year ago
People are too primitive to understand political systems like anarchy or communism so it will never work...
MasterBoter 1 year ago
Question - If some anarchist wants to rape your daughter , and you are helpless to stop it - who are you gonna call - Iggy Pop ?
rolynstone48 1 year ago
@rolynstone48 i would not need to call anyone i would have a gun who would you call the police well by the time they got there she would already be raped you would be raped also lmao.
ITSHAVOK765 1 year ago
@rolynstone48: why do you say "helpless to stop them"?
You CAN stop them- get creative!
0810Rocks 1 year ago
@rolynstone48 hell no. I get my revolver from the drawer and blast him in the head. Any person who would commit such a social crime should be put to death. In anarchy, the stupid would be weeded out within the first few months. By the time the police arrive, it'll be too late. you'll be stabbed or shot and your daughter will be raped. it could take over an hr before cops get there. if youre lucky, 20 minutes
thenewpunkrockkid 1 year ago
@rolynstone48 if you dont want to be included in the rape u just say "no thank you" and trot off into the sunset
ExperiencedAndWise 1 year ago