Ode to Joy - Beethoven - the lost 6 1/2 minutes

[MEMBRA1N]

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[soccerhawkins]

I'm only a listener, not an expert. I never noticed the lack of relationshipo between the choral movement and the rest of the symphony...just luxuriated in the whole thing everytime I heard it

[Ascaidh]

It amazes me to read all of the fights in the comments. Concidering the music.... I gather people failed to understand?

[wongadonga]

@Ascaidh

yes indeed, I tell it above as I clearly saw it back in 1977 at RAH and all peices fit, especially the "OK dudes let's forget all I've done here [and probably 1 to 8 as well] because this will knock your socks off".

why else would he add that to Schiller's words of Hallelujah?

the Baffled King composing Hallelujah - Cohen

[BorisGodunov]

Beethoven had to "recap" the first three movements because the last movement is not thematically related to them in any way, which was unheard of in symphonic writing at the time. It has been argued that while the 9th is one of the greatest works of Western art, it's actually not a very good "symphony," precisely because the finale fails to resolve the symphony's thematic material introduced in the first movement. The finale is its own creature, standing apart from the rest.

[wongadonga]

@BorisGodunov

not a very good "symphony," precisely because the finale fails to resolve the symphony's thematic material

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well according to YOU as a Politically Correct Dude

but Beethoven was NOT PC and that is where you fail

eg he deliberatly sought to offend the PCs then and now by juxtaposition of slow movement

[BorisGodunov]

@wongadonga How do I "fail" by pointing out something that you just admitted was likely fully realized by Beethoven? How is it "PC" to note something that Beethoven himself would have likely acknowledged, that the 9th's finale does not resolve the thematic material of the symphony? That doesn't in any way detract from the musical majesty of the movement, any more than it does to point out the same thematic "shortcomings" of Tchaikovsky's symphonies, which also don't do thematic development.

[wongadonga]

@BorisGodunov

Dude, get off your "thematic" PRONK and talk to this:

friends, not these tunes

let us raise our voices in

more pleasing and more

joyous sounds

and this was NOT Schiller

[bruceliv]

@BorisGodunov

Actually, in the late classical, early romantic period, the movement were structurally independent and may have only been related by key.

The intro to the 4th movement was essentially a way of Beethoven attempting to solve the problem of suddenly introducing voices and choir so late in the composition. This was the first time anyone ever attempted this is a symphonic form.

[bruceliv]

@BorisGodunov

Beethoven attempts to solve this problem (above) by composing a kind of double exposition. Everything that he's going to present with voices appears instrumentally in this "intro." Then when the voices come in, reintroduced by orchestral accompaniment to a true recitative, even though shocking, at least you've heard it earlier (with instruments).

Does Beethoven's innovation work? That's a matter of opinion, but not for the reasons you state.

[bruceliv]

Please read my two replies in reverse. Thanks.

[nmmoise]

Maybe that 6minutes was "lost" to you. Dont pretend that you "found" it for the rest of the world.... How arrogant! Many people were quite aware of the entire symphony...

Americans...

[Garpinator]

@nmmoise He means they get "lost" in 10 minute Youtube videos that require cropping. Please get off your high horse and enjoy the music already!

[dominicanmariel02]

the comments on this video say a lot about this song....for someone just starting to have an interest in classical music.....it brought me to tears :' |

[66jcole]

It is so nice to see this posted, so few people ever hear the intoduction, just the choral portion of the 4th movement.

[wongadonga]

@66jcole

Thanks for your comment, and I fully agree as you can see from my description

[Kronimiciad]

To all the people who thumbs downed this (fools in my opinion) you are entitled to your own opinions, but please. If you don't like it, then why the @#$&*$ are you watching it? The annoing comments and thumgs down are annoying to us.

[sublimefan555]

Classical Music was god's last greatest gift to the earth. Listen closely and you will see how classical music is realted to everything around the earth from nature, to people, structures, and religion. Classical music is the foundation to religion it is the beauty that we see around us, it is the last opening to the beauty of life. The next time we will have music come close to as beautiful to this or have a genius create music close to this is Never.

[wongadonga]

@Mrrainbowsandstuff

WTF does your comment relate to?

[MexicanChamp1000]

The actual full version is about 70 minutes long. No kidding

[aguilacahc000]

simply, one of the best

[TheMeriale]

This is not Ode to Joy..

[l8tr597]

Thank you, thanks for the post, and to the Man! 200 years later, a deaf dude can still fill my ears with pure pleasure

[Darkboy2525]

how shall he has feel him self when he became deaf ? man ... how sad .. why he.. such soo unfair isn't ? ... I can imagine when I should be deaf and can't play the piano more .. I think my life is broken ... .. well beethoven will stay in out mind and hearts for ever ... one of the best in my opinion !

[MySulinofGaia]

@Darkboy2525 once when perforning, someone had turned him around to his cheering audienece, and then he broke down in tears because he couldn't hear them D:

[regg131]

wasn't he like blind ?

[wongadonga]

@regg131

yeah, blind deaf - lol

[Kaiolorin]

@wongadonga wtf he was only deaf. your joke sounds quite confusing to some.

[Garpinator]

@regg131 Beethoven became deaf during his composing career. By the time he premiered this Symphony, he could no longer hear the applause of the audience and had to be turned around by one of his musicians in order to see and acknowledge it.

[altobongo69]

to crofme: perhaps wongadonga was making light that many on the vids posted omit much of the piece Ode to Joy.

I enjoyed the captions bee-tee-dubs.

[jossmaiz]

amo esta cancion

[antmenah]

Antmenah wrote 06-13-2010:

A touch of endless beauty, and the ecstasy of a music genious, written as a present to the essence and destiny of humanity

[21436587abc]

This is not the "Ode to Joy". This is the 2nd part of the 9th shymphony's 4th movement. The Ode to Joy is the vocal part.

[Divinemetal]

I am really glad that you have posted this. Great work. To support what you have said even more, listen to the that recitative-like solo bass lines (written in Beethoven's conversation book is confirmation that it is intended to imitate a recitative) and then listen to the bass singer's solo lines as he says,

'Oh friends, not these tunes!

Rather let us sing more

cheerful and more joyful ones.'

They are just about the same, especially with the right conductor (Norrington is notable).

[thegoddescomposer]

one thing i dont get it when his father was drunk late in the night hanging out with his friend and calling beethoven down and yell my son gonna be the greatest man of the whole world and look a drunken man who got right about his son

thats make mi almost cry that life of beethoven

[702ijerk]

how can this be called ode joy?? i almost cried lol. long live beethoven!

[flblu]

♥__♥

[crocfme]

This was never 'lost' to me. Listenning to part of a symphony is the same as watching part of a movie, particularly so in the works of Beethoven who always expressed a mood or event in precise order in his music.

[wongadonga]

the term "lost" is explained in detail on the right. Please read.

[antmenah]

@crocfme

Antmenah wrote 06-13-2010:

A touch of endless beauty, and the ecstasy of a music genious, written as a present to the essence and destiny of humanity

[popaddict]

Wow. First time I've heard the piece in context of this longer piece. It feels like such a climactic release! Like watching cinema.

Thanks for this :)

[roydk06]

btw, 5 stars from me!

[fabiorochapoeta]

Wonderfull job. Congrats!

[broderrodents]

Beethoven IS REALLY AWESOME!!!!

(With a Capital "A"!)

His music is genius.

[Ascaidh]

I believe Beethoven came to realize that without mutual respect there would be no ode to joy.

[wongadonga]

at 2:25 we have the "four in one pre fist pump" before the ACTUAL one.

I really love that bit - anyone can explain it in musical terms, like there is similar in first movement of 3rd Symphony

[wongadonga]

hah! - I got the bugger, dead set centre stump.

It WAS just silly old Guy

[Garpinator]

An excellent analysis of the intro to the fourth movement. It is like an argument between the instruments, who start out all doom and gloom. Then the celli tentatively introduce the "Ode to Joy" theme as if to say maybe it's not that bad. The argument continues until everyone, singers included are convinced of the value of the "beautiful devine spak" of joy. Give us more Gotterfunken!

[Garpinator]

@Garpinator Sorry, that should have been "spark". Note to self: Use spell checker.

[DivineOracleK]

awesome

[jonesgerard]

Makes sense to me, sounds like it fits properly.

[Brrup]

ohhh classical music... when the music were the words lol

[Babyhowdy233]

THANK YOU so much for posting this!!!

I seriously haven't heard this in over twenty years, not since I took my university class in Music Theory! It surely remains one of the sterling achievements in the history of Music!!

[wongadonga]

Thanks,

I would be most interested to know if the music professors saw anything of the same conclusions/interpretations I have made here

[wongadonga]

gosh, such widely different comments

I do not know how my theories re a piece of music could drive some people to drivel abuse

please SAY why you dont agree AND give your own slant if you have one but please dont just dribble - it blocks cyberspace

[croutonfada]

Thanks for this wonga.

[jhonwanegasey]

i loved this song befor i knew how alax was and then i liked it more

[Javbuff2008]

I wish I can learn to read music

[dorenrose]

si do re re do si la sol sol la si si si la!!!!!!

[godwhyisthistaken]

this isnt ignored i hear the intro to the fourht movement all the time.

[croutonfada]

Yeah, me too but only if you listen to stations that are worth their salt. Generally when you hear the Ode to Joy it's just he choral part which, as beautiful as it is, needs the intro to give it the punch it needs. Build up is everytihng, like foreplay...

[jhstha]

To the maker of this piece of rappy video:

I have hardly ever seen a more stupid comment related to music than that.

Learn something about music first before you dare making an interpretation.

Who are you that you dare publish this kind of completely false information ?

[wongadonga]

huh?

can you read?

[blackdrakir17]

hahahahahahaha, so serious......"who are you that you dare publish this kind of completely false information?" haha alright Mr. Know-it-all, tell us then the correct information. lol

[jhstha]

You are a moron ! Why do YOU care ? I never said I's know it all, but what the author of this "video" wrote, is simply crap and false !!

In opposite to the author I happen to have a clue of music ...

[thesamjupiter]

@jhstha Well said sir!

[hottestmomay]

did they call the last part of the 9 symphony "ode to joy"because it joyful to listen to maybe beethoven thought that in his mind where he put the note on the scale that man was very smart.

i played "ode to joy" on saxphone it was so much fun to play.

[mahler151]

he put the not on the scale? there's a boy in the well?

[mario54671]

This isn't called the Ode to Joy though!!! Ode to Joy is just the poem Schiller wrote, but the piece is called Symphony No. 9! Whoever started calling the music itself "Ode to Joy" deserves a punch in the gut.

[ilovelcdc]

Ode to Joy is a part of symphony no.9

[mario54671]

That doesn't make it the name, though. Ode to Joy is the poem, not the music, the piece itself is called "Symphony No. 9".

[g0lbez81]

The symphony was the first example of a major composer using voices in a symphony. The words are sung during the final movement by four vocal soloists and a chorus. They were taken from the "Ode to Joy", a poem written by Friedrich Schiller in 1785 and revised in 1803, with additions made by the composer.

[mario54671]

Yeah...........I know that. I know the poem by Frederich Schiller Ode to Joy, I'm just saying, that doesn't make it the name of the symphony, it's still "Symphony No. 9", its nickname being "Choral Symphony" (Symphony No. 9 "Choral"). Not "Symphony No. 9 'Ode to Joy'", just like the third is 'Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"' That's what I'm saying.

[g0lbez81]

That specific part of the song has been referred to as "Beethoven's Ode to joy" (informally of course) since the 19th century, just an FYI

[mario54671]

Yes, I am aware of that, if you didn't think I was, read the previous comments before giving me info I already know. And no, this is not a song, it's a symphony. Yes, songs do have words, which this does, but it's still a symphony, otherwise that word wouldn't be in its name. I have no idea why people call the music itself Ode to Joy, because yeah, it's part of the poem, but it's not what the music's called...like I said, whoever started calling it that deserves a punch in the gut.

[kashmirbound1]

knowing things like this is what sets true classical lovers apart from those of us who simply listen.

[mario54671]

No, you played the 9th symphony on your saxophone. I don't care why they call it 9th symphony, point is, it's not. Go ahead, mark my comments down, it doesn't make the stuff that you're saying any better.

[ivoryman996]

Verry intersting =]

[traineek]

such a cool hairstyle back in 17th century... wow...

[thesamjupiter]

19th Century you mean

[thesamjupiter]

@traineek 19th Century you mean...

[Pisces26105]

This is waaay coooool they found the

61/2 minutes!!!!!

WEG

[telsport]

This ex motorcycle racer is very happy you put this together for us.

Tom Loughlin Jr.

[impyilmaialeselvatic]

ii m very happy for ludovic van

[Taskat]

You're theory on this part of the movement makes perfect sense. Wonderfully thought out, by the way.

Well done

[adithestar]

Can any1 tell me where to download the original mp3 of this?

[Jawharrah]

itunes

[RomeoMike369]

It's sad how many governments and thos in power have systematically abused, userped, corrupted, and twisted this into executing their own aims! See the documentary "The Ninth" It has been used by everyone from the Nazi's, Communists, Democracies, Capitalists, you name it. It's just another form of exploiting the arts to the masses to follow you into hell. When are we no longer going to be controlled by our emotions, but our thoughts, especially when it comes to politics, and propaganda?

[Vampira1331]

Try keeping up with them with they are singing in this song! I have to memorize the lyrics, and I have a hard time keeping up with them when I'm reading it, hahaa!

[WAHOOUPS]

Your so classy...You dont understand sarcasim. So your the fool because you replied!

[pookking]

whooups I do not mean to intefere between your mundane argument with another misanthropic figure but it seems to me, that the one who cannot even spell such a simple word as "sarcasm" is the fool.

[dildoridderen]

Nice work indeed

[j67123]

Outstanding job - thanks very much!

[depmuc]

yes you seem to know him very good...

[DoirB]

He dresses like that because it was all men wear back in his time! Get your facts straight before commenting and showing everyone you're a fool

[naw1t]

wongadonga, beautiful man... i loved the explanation, i love the fact that you just took a chance and explained it all.. it is by far, the most beautiful accomplishment humankind has been able to acheive in its history.

[lilNcuttie]

he waz a very crazy man dude!

[Eagles1730]

This is wonderful.  Thank You!

[sp00nsauce]

4th movement presto (symphony no.9 in D minor op.125 choral)..is my fav

[BigAbdi]

My favorite part is when the high strings take up the Joy theme! It can bring tears to my eyes!

[ThetrueAVGNmilitary]

Why is this marked as spam?!?!?

[rhineceres]

You've made some really interesting observations here. I plan to go back and listen more carefully now to the first three sections and the other 8 symphonies. Anyone interested in the 9th might want to consult my versions sung in English right here on You Tube!

[rainiero7]

really wonderful

[leratluci]

It 's awsome I had never heard this before. thank you for uploading