YouTube- Albert Einstein - Does Evil Exist.mp4

[nazisucksass]

so basically this kid's argument revolves around ''evil is the absence of good''. However, when a person kills another person, this is not only the absence of good. It is evil by itself. I assume that my argument may not be universally valid, but in simple terms its enough to debunk what we just saw.

[ultimaterobloxian]

like a BOSS

[Jesscookie1]

why is the professer giving his opinion on religion in science class

[secretsauce007]

For a trace of where this urban legend started, as well as a refutation of this simpleminded "proof" of God, see: urbanlegends.about.com/od/reli­gion/a/einstein_god.htm

[secretsauce007]

This story began in 1999 as a story about an unnamed university student humiliating his atheist professor. Then in 2004 the punchline that Einstein was that university student, was tacked on.

Now the university student has been replaced young-child Einstein?

Seriously, does the absence of any trace of honesty (by checking whether a story is actually TRUE before stealing the reputation of a great man) ... really make a good message for religion?

[guywthomson]

I'm pretty sure, as a professor of philosophy, as the original legend goes, he would have been fully aware of the Thomist and Augustinian explanations of evil and their weaknesses...

[JinxSharpieMarkers]

Incredibly intelligent people almost always know that there is a Creator, but they doubt the existence of a personal God. It's what makes sense, and I know that. But not everything makes sense. Sometimes, things are stupid and pointless and trivial, but they still exist; sometimes, things are wonderful and beautiful and impossible, but they exist. God is here.

[GmRebelliousV]

@howareu666 true until the God part comes in of course...

[Babylauncher3000]

Yes becuase Einstein was never wrong about anything he ever said about anything right?

[em2x94]

Einstein, How the hell did you abandon your religious beliefs after studying 'Kant', when kant believed in God !!!

Philosophy will actually reveal the thinking of the human mind and will make u appreciate more how your mind thinks. BUT IF YOU RELY ON YOUR MIND, IT CAN MAKE YOU CRAZY AND SATAN CAN USE IT TO MAKE YOU FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH. ...

You nonbelievers who rely mostly on your human mind and 'spam' the earth with your unbelief of God. ... God will judge us :D

"Jesus is the Way " :-)

[em2x94]

AW POOR EINSTEIN, LOOKS LIKE HE'S DONE BETTER WHEN HE WAS A KID.

We'll this one still justifies God's word. (a childlike one) "If you do not become like that of a child. You do not enter the kingdom of heaven."

"As far as our science can reveal it..." old man it would have been more admirable if you said it with belief that God created and is proved by science.

TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

You think you're God ? how much money do I have in my pocket? How many hairs fall off my head and when?

[em2x94]

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have? never denied this but have expressed it clearly." - If someone is not with me, He is against me. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. - Science Proves God.

I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one." - If you do not become like a child, you do not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus

[FunkyInTheSouth]

As others have already mentioned this story never happened. It's an urban legend and can be found on snopes.com.

In any case it seems to me a scientifically invalid argument. If you are going to claim that evil is an absence of God in the same way that cold is an absence of heat then you have to be able to actually compare those things. Heat and light are quantifiable. They can be observed and measured. God can not be observed nor measured.

[WombatusMaximus]

What a disgraceful and dishonest misapproriation of Einsteins legacy....identified as false by snopes

[linimo87]

THIS IS AWESOME. YES, LETS ALLOW FOR THINKING IN PUBLIC EDUCATION AGAIN. ESSENTIAL !

[AndreaLaChika]

dam!

[stbays]

I don't know if Eistein really said this or not, but it's a very interesting point. And to extend this point, I think one should consider, what is evil?

To add to this, one must consider perspective. What might seem evil to one, might seem just to another. From which perspective should we view the events by?

[linimo87]

@stbays this is an age old query i think. you are questioning 'rightness' or truth based on subjectivity. well, if we base everything on subjective reference, everything is the convoluted same. right is wrong for one person, wrong is right for another, among the 6+ billion people currently inhabiting our world... so how can even that be? if both claim to be right about how they view that same thing (which people most certainly do- that's not just a theoretical statement)? this gets humankind

[linimo87]

@stbays NOWHERE. if we allow for relativity, we will never, ever ever make real forward motion. sure there will be new ideas and forms... of that same general question, however- what is right? what is wrong? this is why God outlines His view of right and wrong in the old and new testaments for us. He actually cares what people think and how they live and treat each other, so He writes us a book to help us out of the fog. knowledge of right and wrong doesnt come from any human point of view..

[linimo87]

@linimo87 because we all claim to be right in our deepest self, if we are honest, or watch ourselves and the ways we think and respond to others when they offend us. if everyone in the world claims a certain belief, and all of those beliefs oppose each other, what to do?? that's why we have to look at what the source of the belief they carry really says. and God's rules stand the test, every time. we shouldn't compare beliefs from a human point of view, but measure everything to God's rules.

[stbays]

@linimo87

Still, a great many things are far more complicated then simple right or wrong. If person A kills person B, we could say it was an act of evil, but what if Person B was about to do harm or worse to Person A's family and friends? Is it evil that Person A defended the lives of those around him?

I'm just brainstorming really and I haven't drawn any personal conclusions yet.

[linimo87]

@stbays hey stbays! i didnt notice you wrote back, so thanks for talking! thinking and reflecting is good. in my previous example, i was referring to subjective judgements as in differing beliefs/religions/worldviews. idk how much was understood, but i was basically saying many religions have a claim to be absolutely right in their beliefs/practices/views, so how can they all be when very contrasting beliefs exist within each? but ur last example is pretty specific, so we can think about that 2.

[linimo87]

@stbays is this example about killing really complicated, tho? if someone was in the act of attacking another person or their loved ones, the attacked goes into self defense mode. do u know y? do u have a right to protect ur own life or another innocent bystander's when it is threatened? by nature, ur defensive reaction to an attack indicates u do. while we obviously have that natural phys response, u r suggesting there may be a morality issue on hand..

[linimo87]

@stbays but b4 that, do u think this instinctive reaction to protect immediately threatened (i am defining threatened by doing great physical harm or murder) life an act of evil? what would make it wrong?

[stbays]

@linimo87

I think a lot of things happen for a reason and I believe evil is an act with no reason. The worst case I believe is passion itself can be an evil force, but then great acts of kindness have been done because of passion as well.

I think if God is real, then evil too exist. Without God though, I think most actions can be attriubuted to a reason.

[stbays]

@linimo87

Right and wrong are relative things. Is it right to kill a man for breaking into your house? What if he stealing to save another life? I could go on.

[IrateGamingZealot]

This sets off the bullshit detectors of even youtube commenters. That's how bad it is.

[DanAraraquara]

Ok. porque deus criou seres IMPERFEITOS, sabendo que iríamos SOFRER com nossa imperfeição? Ah vah! Que não criasse então! Sobrou maldade (ou faltou amor) quando ele decidiu criar a humanidade!

[linimo87]

@DanAraraquara hi dan, sorry i dont speak portuguese.. but hope you can read or get translation and respond if you want. God didnt create us to be imperfect so that we would suffer. God made people to be like him- spiritual beings, relational beings, and intellectual/rational and free-willed beings. he gave us the ability to reason and choose what thoughts to act on. if he didn't give people the freedom to choose right or wrong (standards he had already set for his creation), then he would not

[linimo87]

@DanAraraquara be the loving God he claims to be at all. he allows us to choose right, or to choose do think/do wrong. he allows us to choose a relationship with Him, or to reject it. real real, pure love is a choice. that is why the choice he gave us was not evil- it was right to let us choose for ourselves. that is what this video is saying- that God did not create "evil," but that 'evil' or 'wickedness' is the lack of what God originally intended for people- righteous living.

[DanAraraquara]

@linimo87 leia meus comentários em watch?v=Z6CQt1c6fsI e raciocine (se ainda conseguir fazer isso).

[sgticebergzo]

Non sequitur fallacy. By the way: lying is a sin, right? Or only when convenient? Einstein never said that and would like someone to prove otherwise.

[aimensayadi]

please can any one tell me what is name of the back ground music in this vedio ???

[don2xify]

Idk what to say.... I've seen a good explanation on google opposing everything in here... but i've also seen other good explanations stating that cold does in fact no exist..... they're all very believable... lol I think I want to be a scientist... this topic is very interesting to me.

[linimo87]

@don2xify be a scientist :) but being a scientist is being objective! taking a deep understanding of the theories we have so far and trying them on reality. matter doesnt lie, but minds are as open to facts as to lies. it does make sense that what we call 'cold' is the lack of heat energy in the air. cold exists in our lexicon to describe how we sense/feel/respond to that lack of heat... so go for it don!

[don2xify]

@linimo87 Wow.. I've read your other comments. You really put some effort into responding to people.. I find it amusing that your reasoning is very convincing.

oh.. and thanks for the encouragement.. xD

[cahk]

Einstein never said this.

[jbperez808]

There is some possibility that this might have been a real episode when Einstein was a kid. But according to "Relatively Einstein", he abandoned his religious fervor after studying Kant around the age of 13.

For the simple-minded, the above exchange seems to be a clever one, but most people who know how to think more deeply are completely unimpressed with it.

[juanicole617]

@jbperez808 to be real...you do not have to be SIMPLE MINDED to believe this. If one believes in God and sees this, one would be impressed. Just because one believes in God does not mean they lack any intelligence. This was simply rude and undermining. You can believe or don't believe what you want but nonbelievers don't automatically qualify to be smarter because they don't believe in a higher power.

[secretsauce007]

@juanicole617 I am a Catholic, and I am NOT impressed with the exchange in this video.

So when you write "If one believes in God, and sees this, one would be impressed," you are making a generalization about believers that jbperez did not make. As such, it is YOU who are turning this as an attack on anybody who believes in God, not jbperez (who said no such thing).

[WombatusMaximus]

@jbperez808

What a disgraceful and dishonest misapproriation of Einsteins legacy....identified as false by snopes

[linimo87]

@jbperez808 hi, jb. this video is simply a reasoning that the God of the Bible did not create what we call 'evil,' with the assumption that the viewer already allows for the existence of 'God.' in ur writing, a claim comes thru that these concepts (origin of good/bad) r simple-minded, but on what basis? the reasoning in this video is very cohesive and clear based on the allowance of God existing. this video is not a debate about belief in that God,

[linimo87]

@jbperez808 yet that seems to be what u want to reject by using the ideas in the video to declare as simple-minded. it's non-sequitur.

[linimo87]

@linimo87 ...i do appreciate ur thought being here. it might help if u clearly state what it is u r completely unimpressed with and y, regarding what this video is claiming. the claim in it is (on the basis of God existing and being the ultimate creator): God created GOOD, but did not CREATE evil / God is good, and not evil-God cannot be both. if u dont allow for the existence of the Biblical God, u cannot refute the claims in this video.

[sdelima]

@jbperez808 Def agree, esp. with last sentence.



[DreamfallenOne]

@jbperez808 This is pretty much straight out of Augustine, would you call him simple minded? Thomas Aquinas also agrees with it, would you call him simple minded?

Whether or not Einstein actually said it, and whether or not he held his religious beliefs for his entire life is entirely irrelevant to its truth.

[Insomniac618]

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. ...I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one." -Albert Einstein, 1954

[DreamfallenOne]

@Insomniac618 Hahaa, childlike indeed. Perhaps C.S. Lewis' most important piece of advice is to be childlike! Something being childlike does not make it wrong or foolish.

[Insomniac618]

@DreamfallenOne I agree wholeheartedly with that point actually. I should have just said that the problem with this video is that it knowingly lies to people in order to persuade them toward the producers' point of view, and uses the deceased to do so. Given that it was made by a fundamentalist christian group this seems hypocritical. If you can't persuade without lying to others, there's obviously a problem with your views.

[DreamfallenOne]

@Insomniac618 OK, I agree with that. You shouldn't just slap a famous persons name on something to make it seem more credible and try to get people to believe it just off of that.

[Insomniac618]

Started as an e-rumor back in 1996 I think it was, by a group of christian fundamentalists "trolling" an internet chat forum. Now this. The real Albert Einstein would be rolling in his grave.