Often times great insight is mistaken for clairvoyance. Most truisms, like the one articulated in this scene, are given that stature because they are in fact true, and they will eventually be reflected in future unforeseen events. It is the nature of the world, and the nature of true wisdom.
@brice21789 ........Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just speak plainly and stop trying to sound so intellectual. Your message was muddle because you tried to make it sound "fancy." Don't try to sound intelligent. You don't talk like that to your friends or when out in public. Just speak plainly and your message will get across.
*groan* as much as I liked Santos, I couldn't stand this show after the characters scattered. It just lost it's core when Sorkin left, so many characters did stuff they never would've done...Sam disappeared, Josh and Donna left the White House, Toby....damn. I think the Toby thing really tipped the scales for me--he never, ever would've done that in a million years. But it was an absolutely brilliant show the first 4 seasons.
Richard Schiff said the only way he could reconcile the anomaly was that Toby was covering for his brother and staying silent to protect his memory. Toby didnt do it, but he would not harm his brother, even after his brother committed suicide.
Yeah...if only they revealed a good explanation like that in the show, at least give us a reason that fits Toby. He would never betray Bartlet like that, even if he did think it was immoral. And if they *had* written an explanation, I'd want Bartlet to know. I think Toby doing something like that would have killed him. Too bad the writers did nothing of the kind...morons.
You're right... Obama is nothing like that. He's proving himself to be even more than what's alluded to within that poignant scene... We're blessed to have him as our president, especially in these challenging times.
absolutely not. Probably one of the best tv shows of all time with absolutely ingenious writing by Sorkin and the crew. After Season 4 it started to lose its luster but my god in its heyday there was nothing better.
Its almost mystical. If you were to tell people back then in 2004-05 in 3-4 years we will have a black preisdent named Barack Hussein Obama you woulda been laughed out of the city. How America has changed.... its really wonderful we are now in the beginnings of a new era in America and the world.
yeah right.. like this is what people in Washington think about... making our lives better. Hahaha I read a Career Book on politics and it explained how this show manipulated people to trust the government and think it to be necessary. Which tells me how so many dumb people can be swayed into believing that ideologies shown in fake TV shows actually relate to real life. Its just Hollywood. The people in Washington push their own agendas, its so obvious none of them care about us, the slaves.
This video is so much sweeter after November, 4, 2008. However, I am not one to think that he can do it by himself. When Clinton was elected, I told a friend that we would have to put our shoulder to the wheel all of us. I never felt excluded until the Bush years. Yesterday after celebrating, we sat and discussed the things we needed to do the sacrifices we would have to make. I guess we will do the"Hard Stuff"
Why when you can be rewarded for laziness,irresponibity, all at someone else's hard work.American guarantees the right to life liberty & the PURSUIT of happiness.That doesnt say happiness is guaranteed or free or off someone else's hard work or without some effort on indivual parts just means we all have the right to chase what we see as happiness. Bush was a disaster no doubt but when things dont change unemployement climbs economy continues down & taxes raise on everyone. cant blame it on bush
They did. West Wing writers consulted with David Axelrod, who was running the Senate campaign of a certain state senator who's about to be elected President. There's a great video documentary of the synergy and the rationele kicking around YouTube somewhere.
A few years ago obama was held by the russian government almost as though he was planning a freakin ATTACK and he let it roll off of america's shoulders so smoothly people don't even remember it today. Maybe not a lot of FP experience, but he has more poise and common sense than john "I'd like to comment on my war experiences instead of giving a statement on this corruptian scandal" mccain. mccain=dirtbag who barely didn't get kicked out of naval academy and then did something good later on
The young Democrat has a weakness in foreign policy that he compensates for by choosing an old Washington hand who's brilliantly smart, but a bad campaigner.
there was more tht occured to me but i forget now...
The republican ends up picking a bible thumping vp to make up for his lack of religious enthusiasm (except of course in the west wing the gop vp is politically smart) the best similarity of all? The democrat wins!
Barack Obama has no foreign policy weakness. People overseas love him, and he has a genuine understanding of foreign policy. Much more so than John McCain and George Bush.
It's an amazing similarity. I hope attention gets called to this by the media to remind people how powerful this show truly was. I think it helped the democratic party find it's true principles again.They don't have the same speech writer although Santos was reportedly patterned after Obama. ( and when is spellcheck finally going to realize that Obama is spelled correctly!?).
Actually, on MSNBC, during Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic Nomination, the commentators mentioned that the speech was very Aaron Sorkin-esque.
Charismatic, principled non-white Senator comes out of no where and ends up beating the entrenched Democrat with all of the advantages for the nomination.
Goes on to run for the Presidency up against a moderate Republican known for bucking the right wing (well, that's not John McCain now, but it was a few years ago).
@filegirl Santos is actually a Congressman when he gets elected. Sorkin based Santos off Obama and Vinick off McCain. The characters are eerily similar because they are planned as such.
@FireCaptain01 Sorkin was not involved with West Wing for those seasons. How could he have based those characters on anyone? The last season was 2006. How could anyone have known even then that Obama would do what he did?
@Mozart1220 Sorkin came back for the last 2 seasons.....
Matt Santos was loosely based on Obama,partly because of his electrifiying speech at the democratic national convention and partly because of what he did in Chicago.
Just because you find it hard to believe, does not mean it isn't true.
Just like only because you didn't go to the moon doesn't mean other men didn't
@rjh00 First, I have no problem with the Santos character. I said Arron Sorkin wasn't writing for West Wing at the time. Second, I know people went to the Moon. Who said I didn't?
@filegirl you lost me at "principled", darling. and the decline of john mcain saddens me, too. he's been good on the armed services committee, though.
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TheMatthewWR 2 days ago
Often times great insight is mistaken for clairvoyance. Most truisms, like the one articulated in this scene, are given that stature because they are in fact true, and they will eventually be reflected in future unforeseen events. It is the nature of the world, and the nature of true wisdom.
brice21789 8 months ago
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chrissline77 7 months ago
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@brice21789 ........Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just speak plainly and stop trying to sound so intellectual. Your message was muddle because you tried to make it sound "fancy." Don't try to sound intelligent. You don't talk like that to your friends or when out in public. Just speak plainly and your message will get across.
chrissline77 7 months ago
20 Hours In America.
My favorite episode ever.
nudist1033 1 year ago
He's only the President guys, it's not like you draw your power from his mana well
IHaveTheQi 2 years ago 8
*groan* as much as I liked Santos, I couldn't stand this show after the characters scattered. It just lost it's core when Sorkin left, so many characters did stuff they never would've done...Sam disappeared, Josh and Donna left the White House, Toby....damn. I think the Toby thing really tipped the scales for me--he never, ever would've done that in a million years. But it was an absolutely brilliant show the first 4 seasons.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago 4
Richard Schiff said the only way he could reconcile the anomaly was that Toby was covering for his brother and staying silent to protect his memory. Toby didnt do it, but he would not harm his brother, even after his brother committed suicide.
hoorooblue 2 years ago 6
Yeah...if only they revealed a good explanation like that in the show, at least give us a reason that fits Toby. He would never betray Bartlet like that, even if he did think it was immoral. And if they *had* written an explanation, I'd want Bartlet to know. I think Toby doing something like that would have killed him. Too bad the writers did nothing of the kind...morons.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago 3
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Seriously, you Obama worshipers think your guy is something special. He isn't. He's nothing more than a political opportunist and hypocrite.
Dream23fb 2 years ago
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BULLSHIT
Obama is nothing like this.
Dream23fb 2 years ago
You're right... Obama is nothing like that. He's proving himself to be even more than what's alluded to within that poignant scene... We're blessed to have him as our president, especially in these challenging times.
ConsciousFilmmaker 2 years ago 8
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Obama's is all hype.
Dream23fb 2 years ago
guess somebody's really "Dreaming".
wadde 2 years ago
This is not a Cheesey tv show in fact it ranks 8th for all time number of wins for a tv series
kevmarkpat 3 years ago
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Too bad it's jsut a cheesy tv show.
Plectognath 3 years ago
absolutely not. Probably one of the best tv shows of all time with absolutely ingenious writing by Sorkin and the crew. After Season 4 it started to lose its luster but my god in its heyday there was nothing better.
d5o4s3h2i1 3 years ago 6
Oh wow, which episode was this from?
TheAutumnEffect9 3 years ago
20 hours in america, part 2 I think.
theforeman118 2 years ago
That's it! Thank you. :)
TheAutumnEffect9 2 years ago
Its almost mystical. If you were to tell people back then in 2004-05 in 3-4 years we will have a black preisdent named Barack Hussein Obama you woulda been laughed out of the city. How America has changed.... its really wonderful we are now in the beginnings of a new era in America and the world.
Andothul 3 years ago 5
BEAutifful comment!
xzlm2q 2 years ago
yeah right.. like this is what people in Washington think about... making our lives better. Hahaha I read a Career Book on politics and it explained how this show manipulated people to trust the government and think it to be necessary. Which tells me how so many dumb people can be swayed into believing that ideologies shown in fake TV shows actually relate to real life. Its just Hollywood. The people in Washington push their own agendas, its so obvious none of them care about us, the slaves.
thrbamf 3 years ago
This is scary in the fact that this show ended 4 years ago.
Andothul 3 years ago 5
20 hours in America was one of the best (double) episodes ever. True about the link to Obama, it really does describe what people want from him
Gabi4CSI 3 years ago 20
This video is so much sweeter after November, 4, 2008. However, I am not one to think that he can do it by himself. When Clinton was elected, I told a friend that we would have to put our shoulder to the wheel all of us. I never felt excluded until the Bush years. Yesterday after celebrating, we sat and discussed the things we needed to do the sacrifices we would have to make. I guess we will do the"Hard Stuff"
peskied 3 years ago 6
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Why when you can be rewarded for laziness,irresponibity, all at someone else's hard work.American guarantees the right to life liberty & the PURSUIT of happiness.That doesnt say happiness is guaranteed or free or off someone else's hard work or without some effort on indivual parts just means we all have the right to chase what we see as happiness. Bush was a disaster no doubt but when things dont change unemployement climbs economy continues down & taxes raise on everyone. cant blame it on bush
bpeter3196 3 years ago
They did. West Wing writers consulted with David Axelrod, who was running the Senate campaign of a certain state senator who's about to be elected President. There's a great video documentary of the synergy and the rationele kicking around YouTube somewhere.
whereisrandall 3 years ago 6
And there's that whole Russia-Georgia thing..
kitkat9288 3 years ago
A few years ago obama was held by the russian government almost as though he was planning a freakin ATTACK and he let it roll off of america's shoulders so smoothly people don't even remember it today. Maybe not a lot of FP experience, but he has more poise and common sense than john "I'd like to comment on my war experiences instead of giving a statement on this corruptian scandal" mccain. mccain=dirtbag who barely didn't get kicked out of naval academy and then did something good later on
mediumwe11 3 years ago 3
Not to mention:
The young Democrat has a weakness in foreign policy that he compensates for by choosing an old Washington hand who's brilliantly smart, but a bad campaigner.
there was more tht occured to me but i forget now...
FourFolders 3 years ago
The republican ends up picking a bible thumping vp to make up for his lack of religious enthusiasm (except of course in the west wing the gop vp is politically smart) the best similarity of all? The democrat wins!
bodah44 3 years ago
Barack Obama has no foreign policy weakness. People overseas love him, and he has a genuine understanding of foreign policy. Much more so than John McCain and George Bush.
bronxbomber428 3 years ago 4
It's an amazing similarity. I hope attention gets called to this by the media to remind people how powerful this show truly was. I think it helped the democratic party find it's true principles again.They don't have the same speech writer although Santos was reportedly patterned after Obama. ( and when is spellcheck finally going to realize that Obama is spelled correctly!?).
adamrandallruss 3 years ago 6
Actually, on MSNBC, during Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic Nomination, the commentators mentioned that the speech was very Aaron Sorkin-esque.
grapesofwraith1066 3 years ago 5
they have the same speech writer
dennyrayjr 3 years ago
i know creepy many similarities. lets hope this election ends like it did on the west wing!
jason89 3 years ago 7
Seriously, have you seen Season 6 & 7?
Charismatic, principled non-white Senator comes out of no where and ends up beating the entrenched Democrat with all of the advantages for the nomination.
Goes on to run for the Presidency up against a moderate Republican known for bucking the right wing (well, that's not John McCain now, but it was a few years ago).
Its absolutely freakish.
filegirl 3 years ago 29
@filegirl Santos is actually a Congressman when he gets elected. Sorkin based Santos off Obama and Vinick off McCain. The characters are eerily similar because they are planned as such.
FireCaptain01 1 year ago 2
@FireCaptain01 Sorkin was not involved with West Wing for those seasons. How could he have based those characters on anyone? The last season was 2006. How could anyone have known even then that Obama would do what he did?
Mozart1220 6 months ago
@Mozart1220 Sorkin came back for the last 2 seasons.....
Matt Santos was loosely based on Obama,partly because of his electrifiying speech at the democratic national convention and partly because of what he did in Chicago.
Just because you find it hard to believe, does not mean it isn't true.
Just like only because you didn't go to the moon doesn't mean other men didn't
rjh00 6 months ago
@rjh00 First, I have no problem with the Santos character. I said Arron Sorkin wasn't writing for West Wing at the time. Second, I know people went to the Moon. Who said I didn't?
Mozart1220 6 months ago
@filegirl you lost me at "principled", darling. and the decline of john mcain saddens me, too. he's been good on the armed services committee, though.
ardrighsailor 1 year ago
@filegirl The writers said they based Santos on Obama
MaddTopHatter 6 months ago