Getting girls doesn't have to be difficult (I used to think it did).
I'll give you some advice right now..
Step 1: Go to MackMethods(dot)com
Step 2: Order the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use it and laugh at how easy girls are to figure out haha
Seriously, that program has changed my life. I probably shouldn't even be mentioning it because I don't want a bunch of other guys out there running the same "game" but whatever, I'm in a good mood today so I'll share the tip.
@Canuckforces2 I think you must be watching some other PUA "guru's" videos (or old stuff). We at Love Systems don't do magic tricks, and we don't currently refer to women as "targets." We teach men how to be their best selves, and how to calibrate what they say and do to their specific identities. So, if there is a routine, it's going to be based on the individual man's lifestyle, activities, interests, etc.
@Canuckforces2 This is a pretty silly outlook. That's like saying a woman shouldn't dress up nicer than she usually does when she goes out or wear makeup as she's not "authentic" to who she really is. Members of both sexes present themselves as best as they can to meet and attract mates/partners. Guys shouldn't be ashamed of this, and Love Systems works every day around the world.
My advice to everyone trying this... please watch the VH1 season 1 and 2 of the Pickup Artist and learn how to socialize with girls. It will help you on every area of your life. But careful not to become to addicted!
@IHBJM I think you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm a good looking athletic latin guy with a huge dick but I used to say the wrong thing... pretty often and I was having some problems closing with chicks. I have been learning the mystery method for about 1 month now, doing plenty of reading and video watching and it had definitely helped me a lot. It definitely made me feel more self-confident and I say the right thing most of the time. I've been hanging w tons of girls lately.
@IHBJM Aaaaand its thinking like that that makes you rather unpleasant. If you don't believe it works, then it wont for you. enjoy mediocrity my tragically obtuse friend.
@IHBJM I'm not sure you really understand the point of what we're doing. Any guy can look good enough to meet women by getting a haircut and some clothes that fit, so we're not buying the "fugly" bit. And if a man doesn't know he has these "skills," then why is it wrong to teach them to him? There's no ripping people off when we teach guys who normally can't even speak to a woman in a social situation how to approach confidently and have genuine interactions.
@LoveSystems Look, I get it. It's a business, and I know you wont "neg" your own business model. The truth is, a women will make a split second decision on whether to sleep with a man or to say no way in hell i'd hit that, all the best openers, approaches, etc. you can come up with more than likely wont change that. You also claim that "love systems" has a high rate of success and people rarely ask for their money back.
@IHBJM Uh huh, i'll bet that one would have to jump through hoops and red tape to get their money back that they would just say fuck it and give up. Thats probably how you can validate such a high rate of success. You just cant fuck with the laws of nature. Once again, a beautiful woman will not sleep with an ugly man no matter if he has a haircut and clothes that fit. I'm never gonna sleep with beautiful woman, I know that. I just think it's unfair to promote your business as such.
@IHBJM Sorry you feel that way, I really am. You can see by these videos how much media attention we've received over the years, and how many people are interested in what we're doing. Do you really think that we got this big with a bunch of smoke and mirrors? Nope. Our system works, and it works for all types of guys with all types of looks. I'd strongly suggest you check out The Attraction Forums (completely free); it sounds like you might get a lot out of hearing the success stories.
@IHBJM I'm sorry, but That is absolute crap! if you Read the Mystery Method book, you'll know that all we are doing is Following the laws of nature, women are wired different to men. Please research something before you condemn it, i had to read the bible before i stopped believing in god, otherwise it's just ignorance. You have a defeatist attitude the "i can never get a girl like that" thing is rubbish, stop thinking like that, and straight away you're life will change.
1st and foremost, this is a tool, you cant rely solely on it. It is a means to get in, what you do after this will determine your ultimate "success" w/ women. If you are running game and "gambits" or whatever Mystery calls them all the time she wont stick around long. If you want a relationship you have to have some "inner game" as well. and that is something that is much harder to learn
"Disqualification" will only stop ALL rapport with the girl your chatting up and get her turned off and think your an aszhole.. "I like your nails.. are they real???" what a joke.. any idiot that thinks insulting women gets you closer to getting in her pants has NO game
@pua4lyfe44 thats why its called a "false" disqualification. Your not telling the womren "yea im happily married and have 3 children therefore it would be completely socially unexeptable for us to even talk to each other." your telling her that you dont ussually date "her" type of women. The goal in a false disqualifyer is to seperate yourself from the other 4343 people who make it obvious that they are trying to pick the girl up.
@pua4lyfe44 man you don't even know what a false disqualifier is! You are describing a neg ( the nail routine ). A false disqualifier is saying something lke " we could never be together". Its called a false disqualifier because you are pretending you don't want to be with her we you do really. Both work but negs need to be playfull and ONLY used on very hot women to brig them down a peg, not on average women like in the video. I don't use negs often but ALWAYS use False Disqualifiers. They work
This is such bullshit, you cant force people to like you no matter how much you try. Ive talked to good looking girls who are boring or too stuck up so why would i continue to be interested in talking to them. I'd rather talk to a cute girl with a personality. Some people just dont mesh together thats life deal with it
i think this is PUA thing is disgusting , going prepared to meet girls like with a strategy is to Phony!! its first, disrispectful, and even if it works i would actually feel bad of being so fake.. i better keep meeting girls normally, i dont care if its not every weekend!! though you can take some advice PUAs give like "go out actually and talk to women" thats a very good advice ahahaha, really!, and just try to have more confidence, and choose reasonable goals!!!
These girls are not getting brain washed, they have their own free will, and they know the guy is hitting on them, they are not that naive. They are getting entertained, which is why they went out in the first place.
@workspace27 go big or go home, if u have a small dick, and shell feel a lil something nothing special, then NO. if you are packing the big guns, and things are escalating, grinding some touching, etc. then by all means
Damn. Why is it so hard to approach people? We all have the same psychological needs, right? Fear of loneliness and wanting companionship? Why do we need to follow these rules? Millions of books in how to communicate with others? To make others interested in me or anyone else? Shouldn't this be natural?
People wonder why depression and suicide is so high. There's so many other difficulties in life. Meeting other people shouldn't be another. There's gotta be something wrong with our culture.
@yssispoop That's a very valid point. Meeting women shouldn't be difficult and every guy has its right to date the women he wants. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the real world.
@LoveSystems An agreement frame is a Neurolinguistic Programming skill that lets you steer an argument or disagreement in your favor, by first agreeing with the person then showing them why their view is wrong.
I commented because I thought it was intentional when you did one on yssispoop.
@yssispoop You are thinking too logically on this, in reality, things dont alway goes as the way you THINK it naturally would. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't have "natural" skills to engage people and start meaningful conversations. I think this is just a way to get them started and practicing. When these guys are comfortable enough around women, from there they'll naturally become themselves. Have you ever thought of why depression and suicide is so high?
@yssispoop Its hard to approach people in american culture because we have no culture here unlike europe where they know each others habits and traditions. Everybody is different and people roll in cliques. You need to conform to a clique to get your foot in the door with certain women. Not everybody is open to meeting anybody
it should be a natural thing but plz do not forget that us as the human race have been making the world to our own liking of complexities that most ppl now a days run their life quite differently compared 200 years ago.. were living in a world of our own artificial ideas and have made the unatural THE natural. and its affecting us so much that we now have some social deficiencies
like anxieties with big crowds. some ppl are more comfortable around the presence of technology than that of a woman
@yssispoop your questions are right on, but they all have a great answer: Evolution.
Each and every male and female on the planet feels, consciously or not, like you've said- none want to be left alone. We all want to re-produce and survive. Doesn't it make sense when a specific female with high chances of re-production would not be satisfied by a man with lower chances of survival than hers? She wants the leader of the tribe, the man who will ensure the survival of her and her offspring.
@yssispoop your questions are right on, but they all have a great answer: Evolution.
Each and every male and female on the planet feels, consciously or not, like you've said- none want to be left alone. We all want to re-produce and survive. Doesn't it make sense when a specific female with high chances of re-production would not be satisfied by a man with lower chances of survival than hers? She wants the leader of the tribe, the man who will ensure the survival of her and her offspring.
@yssispoop i understand, it's sad when guys have to resort to all this stuff, going to school to learn to pull chicks. But you're right, society is a mess. it's even worse here in England.
@yssispoop what is wrong is that most people don't teach each other how to act in a fun playful way... that's what this guy does. Once you start being playful with people, and not just with the girls you want to sleep with, you are going to start having the time of your life. What he teaches is truly not difficult but it does takes some courage and balls to break the ice.
the hard truth(well, not for me.... i think it'd be boring otherwise) is that we DONT all have the same needs. Period. Also, we don't have the same goals, motivations, beliefs etc etc. Interactions are very complex and would be boring and staid if you just talked about simple things. PU is as much about becoming interesting/becoming a better person as it is about picking up women. You find that being moral, ambitious, and just basically being a good person attracts women.
The guy that said to the to-set: "So you're more girly and you're more masculine" at about 2:08 , was he saing that to the target (as a neg) or was it a cold reading routine?
@91clasSick I think it was meant as a cold reading routine, but his choice of words was a little of so it came out as a bit of a neg, not a very good one though IMO.
@DeejayFrenkie lol start going natural bro. For Attraction and the first encounters in general, use mostly RSD's stuff. That way you cant get called out and they cant stay ahead of you. Once you get into D 2's and comfort building etc, then pop into mystery method or lovesystems mode. Just my personal advice, I dont work for either company, thats just the style ive found works for me.
Id also sugest combinin a bunch of different pickup styles, do that and u wont have anything to worry about
I, as a girl, have read Revelations by Mystery and The Game by Style. In my opinion, there is no better strategy than the Mystery Method. I even wish to be a guy, just to try it out (but I guess I'll just join the few female PUA's).
Don't say this doesn't work. It's based on facts :)
These douche bags charge up to $3,000 for a boot camp.....what a rip off. HERE's the secret: ACT CONFIDENT. Go out and figure it out on your own. With $3,000 you can go out all year and EXPERIENCE will get you the women. This snake oil salesmen are fucking worthless. And that Nick guy sounded like a queer anyways.
there are just some weird scenarios about the future built up in your brain. it´s not reality!
i been there... i know where you goin through. i´ve been a pessimistic selftalker myself...
you have to be patient, take your time, develop your personality. read the right books, go out and do some pro-actively stuff. don´t create just a character, create a lifestyle... this is hard work, but later on it definitely pays off in major way. stop this pessimistic selftalk, it gets you nowhere!
this kind of pessimistic self talk that i read here, causes me a mess of an headache!! there´s way to much limiting-belief bullshit goin on here...
the truth is... you have to get outthere an approach women!!! period.
i don´t give a fuck how you look, i don´t give a fuck where you come from or might your insecurities are. if you don´t go out and really passionate try some of this stuff out, i can´t take your comments serious... because they aren´t real experiences
I agree I do possess a negative and defeatsist attitude when it comes to meeting women, but that has only come about as the result of a never ending stream of self esteem destroying rejections.
My experiences are real, very real, and I am a straight shooter who tells it like it is.
Uh oh guys, lets not bullshit him anymor lets just admit it, he caught us
i mean come on, we all know that were scam artists. we take millions of dollars from these helpless men every year wth the promise of getting the girl. & we NEVER EVER really succeed, we just pay drunk girls to pretend theyr into us so that guys keep coming back
i mean we never go out and find "real down to earth women" in public do we. day game, is bullshit, lets just admit it guys, Seb from Sydney caught us red handed
@Zac6230 Thanks for the compliment, but for your information, do you know what really is foolish ?Guys forking out up to $3K for silly PUA bootcamps, that's the true definition of foolishness. By all means improve yourself to make yourself attractive to women, but don't waste your time and money on mostly useless PUA junk.
wow you sure showed me ! where do I begin?, listen asshole PUA is about tiem we had guys creating strategies and helping better our lives, it should inspire you to go out be social, look good be cool and have fun, understanding social dynamics is important dress well try took handsome and have good earning career if you dont thats your fault and no one cares PUA just helps you out, its guy talk, guys helping other guys. women wont tell you anything thats useful
Geez, I am a "fool","arsehole" and a "loser", how do you know all these things about me? I agree men should improve themselves to make themselves more attractive to women, that's a no brainer. But I know men who have paid $3K for a PUA bootcamp, and they still got nothing. And yes, I agree female dating advice is totally useless.
Yes, people can spend their money on whatever they like, but it's the lack of ethics of the PUA industry that I, and many other men have an issue with.
@Zac6230 If you had half a brain in your head, you would know that in bar/nightclub envionment women will always go for the best looking/ormuscular men (trust me, I have seen it happen a million times). What good is PUA crap to an ugly guy (like me for example), if women are rejecting you instantly, even before you open your mouth?
dude, try to fix whats wrong with you I am not there so I dont know dress better workout, get skin care, hell plastic surgery is you have too, there has to be something you can do
There's nothing wrong with me, but my problem is that I am often mistaken for an Arab (I am an Australian of Italian parents), and where I live, Sydney women hate Arab looking guys as they seen to be sleazy, threatening and treacherous.
There's not much I can do about racism and ethnic stereotyping.
@sebazio3333 You may already be stuck in your ways, but try reading 'The Game' by Neil Strauss. It will give you a more insightful look into what the PUAs are all about. It's good to get both sides of the argument, you have yours, now hear theirs. I can't think of a better example than Neil Strauss because, if you watch some videos of him on YouTube, you will see that he is a genuine, honest and humble guy.
Go on, it's about £4 on Amazon and it's a fantastic read.
chill, seb man. yeah, women like looks and personality. so if you're not so good looking, you've got to up the personality and people skills. doesn't mean you're going to be dating beautiful girls, but if you put the effort and practice in, then you can definitley have more success. sometimes you see a hot girl with an average guy who isn't a millionaire lol
sebazio your right just work on your self on your own and you will get a natural swag if you have someone to show you how to dress or u already know how to dress you will be fine.its better to learn on your own than using other peoples stuff that are canned lines and routines. it makes you fake and wierd. and you start to notice stuff on your on like what works and doesnt work and you become a strong confident man to the ladies
@sebazio3333 , "Women only care about looks, ...."
Clearly seb, you must not know much about women in the first place to criticize this system . If you were more experienced with women you would know that they do not base purely on looks which is what you are implicating . Looks just plays a part , just because you guys are visually stimulated from looks doesn't mean women are. Go do your homework buddy
I never professed to be an expert on women and dating, but I know for a FACT, that if a woman is not giving you clear indicators of interest/attraction, then all the PUA nonsense will not make a single difference.
And for your information I have done my homework, and the whole PUA industry is a scam, because in a bar/nightclub environment women will only go for the best looking studs and jocks, average to ugly looking guys, don''t stand a chance.
No, as I have got older I have come to the realisation that if a woman does not find you physically attractive within the first 2 to 5 seconds of seeing you, then it's GAME OVER, and no PUA crap ie. playing mind games with women and using cheesy pick up lines will change that.
Women get very pissed off when I approach them, because of my ugly Middle Eastern/Arab appearance (I am actually of Italian background, but I am often mistaken for an Arab), and where I live Arabs are not liked.
But I have not asked a woman for date since December 2007, because I have given up due to a never ending stream of self esteem destroying rejections
I am not very shallow at all, it's women who are more shallow than men. Yes, on the odd occaision I have seen ugly men with 9's, but this is the exception not the rule.
If you see an ugly man with a 9 out 10 looking woman, it's only because he is either rich/or famous, or he just fluked it, and found one of those rare women that values things other than looks,
No, I am not mistaken, women care a lot more about looks than men do. I have seen men who are meatheads, jerks etc but get girls beacuse of their looks, and then I have seen average to ugly looking guys with great personalities not even been given a chance by women, because they were not handsome.
I am sorry, but women are million times more shallow than men, and I can easily prove it.
No I am not kidding, I am deadly serious, the women I approached (especially here in Sydney) are LOOKIST BIGOTS, and no I can't say any of them were trannies, all the women I approached defnitely had vaginas.
I am not defending a losing battle, what use is PUA GAME if a woman has already rejected you. even before you open your mouth??
You may not think looks don't count to women, well go to a nigtclub/bar and test that theory out, and you will find that in a nightclub/bar environment, only the good looking guys get the girls.
Mystery (real name Erik Von Markovic) teaches men how to play stupid mind games with women in order to seduce and eventually bed them.
The issue is, Mystery and all the other "high priests" of the PUA cult are clever businessmen who trick lonely men into believing that looks don't count when it comes to women, when in REALITY looks do count.
And for your information, I have rarely seen average looking guys get girls in clubs, only the good looking guys get the girls.
No homo here, but the reason Mystry is so successful at getting girls is because in the eyes of women, he is considered to be uinversally handsome ie. he is tall dark and handsome.
So in reality, Mystery's success with women does come down to some degree of luck (ie. he has benn blessed with good genes), because if Mystery was short bald and ugly like me, he would not get any girls.
I am shitting on the PUA system, because I don't want to see men get ripped off by these snakeoil salesmen. By all means improve yourself to become more attractive to women, but don't waste your money on PUA junk.
I too can talk girls out of breath, but that means nothing unless the woman is physically attracted to you, and she wishes to communicate with you.
And if my quoting my name and place of residence annoys you, then get over it.
@sebazio3333 Dude those people responding to you are ignorant and WOULD be stupid enough to cough up 3k on some low budget PUA conference. There is a lot of truth in what you have to say. I am fairly attractive and when I get an intuitive thought that a woman is digging me, I will pounce. Fuck that bullshit this system teaches. If she is attracted to you, she WILL continue to talk to you.
@StagnantBeetz So for the ugly, awkward, and geeky guys out there, they will never get any girls? How is it that you are calling others ignorant when you are obviously the one quick to judge othesr?
@StagnantBeetz im rambling about your stupid ass if u havent noticed already. You sound like the biggest douche on the planet Iand just had to stop and mention it to the world.
Lol bro i couldnt find ur reply to me. but watev.
addressing ur comment about only working on drunk sluts in a nightclub - 1st off, i find that statement degrading to women. 2nd, im not old enough to get into a bar or club where women(not sluts) would be drunk. So i do most of my "picking up" in BROAD DAYLIGHT. same method, same women, same results
as to looks. Mehow is one ugly ass mofo. and he gets girls better than most handsome guys do. the vids are online.....
My comments with regards to women in nightclubs are "degrading to women"??
Looks let's cut the crap here, the vast majority of women who frequent nightclubs and bars are the not the type of women you are going to settle down with and have a family with, nor are they the type of women you are you are going to take home and introduce to mum and dad.
As for pikcking women in broad daylight, only very good looking men can pull that off.
to quote Tyler Durden of RSD "looks make absolutely NO difference"
I'm assuming ur a guy. from the way ur writing (if im wrong i apologize) but you find me the ugliest guy you can and My friends and I can train him to get women better than you.
btw, yes there are multiple schools of pickup if you were wondering. most with good contributions that help each guy find his own style to bring his best self forward...
"I am not defending a losing battle, what use is PUA GAME if a woman has already rejected you. even before you open your mouth??"
if this happens, it is because you are most likely showing bad body language. or you are coming off as creepy. I think you arent giving women enough credit.
Now if you want to keep ur limiting beliefs that women only like the rich and good looking guys. thats fine, no sweat off my back. you just become one more chode to be dominated.
Bullshit!!, women in a bar/nightclub situation make up their mind about you within 2 to 5 seconds of seeing you, and it they are not physically attracted to you, it's game over.
My beliefs are not limiting beliefs, it's called being realistic and knowing your limitations as a man.
Not true. Even if the bar/night club, you can get a girl to change her mind about you. You do this by doing some cool dance moves, dancing with other girls on the dance floor, and demonstrating some social proof by chatting it up with other guys.
That's nonsense, sure being a good dancer may impress some women, but they still have to be physically attracted to you.
Like I have said before, in a bar/nightclub environment, women will always pick the best looking guy, and once a woman saids no, she means exactly that ie. NO, and it's virtually impossible to make a woman change her mind about you, once she has made up her mind.
I'm really not gonna argue with you any more though.
it seems to me that u either have some deep seeded problem with women or you are so content with being a hopeless man that when someone is questioning your reality and how u perceive the world, you close down.
2 the rest of the puas on here, i say dont bother with this guy. hes happy with his delusional reality. so leave him too it. he knows this is here now, and if he ever decides to let go of his social conditioning, he knows where to trn
I am just straight shooter who tells like it is, and if my politcal incorrectness bothers you, well that's tough luck.
For your information I am not delusional, but what is delusional is tellling ugly looking men that they can pick up hot looking women, and charging them up to $3k for some silly bootcamp.
There is nothing wrong with men wanting to improve their dating lives, but PUA is not the answer.
@sebazio3333 Its not only in a night club or bar but unfortunately its everywhere. I don't give a shit what any PUA or dating guru says but its been tested by myself that LOOKS DO MATTER for a MAN. When I have a haircut and I shave and wear a Banana Republic dress shirt I get a shallow smile from a girl but when I grow facial hair and wear a grungy looking t-shirt I get no attention. Looks do matter for a guy but not as much as it does for a girl. I think you know that cause you seem smart.
Thanks for your comment, yes looks do count, and these PUAs are kidding themselves if they believe they don't.
In a bar/nightclub scenario women will always go for the best looking stud/jock, and I have seen this happen with my own eyes too many times.
PUA is only of any use to good looking guys, but then again good looking guys pick up women because of their looks, and don't really need PUA (not that it works).
''Good looking men who are popular with women don't need PUA crap, ''
no shit sherlock. if someone is already popular with women, then of course he doesnt need help
ive never read anything from a PUA, who doesnt say that looks matters. ''looks dont matters'' is a cliche, in the end every famous PUA also explains how much it helps to improve your own looks
what you are basicly saying, that a bad-looking guy cant use Game, in order to get a beautiful girlfriend? ive seen the opposite in real life
Yes, "game" is basically usesless to an ugly man if a woman has already rejected him.
Of course an ugly man can go to the gym, get ripped which will increase his chances of picking up a woman. My issue is with the misleading assertions made by the PUA industry that ugly men can pick up hot looking women when in reality this rarely happens.
''Yes, "game" is basically usesless to an ugly man if a woman has already rejected him.''
theres a smaller chance the woman will reject him in the beginning, if the ugly guy knows what he is doing.
take johnny soporno.. he looks like someone who has spend half his life at a computer. hes been in the porn industry for many years, and is also a top PUA. hes got so much charisma and easy with women because of this, and he gets laid like hugh heffner. and no, he is not super rich
Citing an adult movie/porn star is probably not the best example, because even if he is ugly, the women he sleeps with are being paid to sleep with him. Also, the fact that "Johnny soporno" is now a high profile/famous person, would make him attractive to women.
In my case, I get rejected by women even before I open my mouth because of my Arab looks, and where I live, Arab or Arab looking guys are not desired by women.
my point is, that there is so much more to game, than just what comes out of your mouth. you say u get rejected before even opening your mouth, and therefore it must be impossible for you to attract beautiful girls
bullshit!
same happens for me. but if i use 30min to talk to every guy in the bar, and some of the easy/ugly girls as well, i have become the social center. my value is now high enough for the beautiful girls.
add body language, energy and other stuff, and you are good to go
dont know if youtube posted my first comment i try again
anyway.. with good game, an ugly guy wont get rejected before he even open his mouth. there are so many things that goes on BEFORE you even approach the beautiful girl
there are plenty of ugly pua's. like johnny soporno. hes not rich, yet still gets laid like hugh heffner. His life in the porn industry and the PU world, has given him an ease with women, and a very strong charisma.
Looks do matter but the great thing about looks is that girls go for different things. I've gotten girls over guys that I thought were better looking than me and I've had guys get girls over me that I was positive that I was better looking than.
I don´t think it´s manipulative. Guys that learn this improve their social skills and learn how to make girls/women like them. I don´t think that guys should lie when they do openers. I myself don´t like lying and the guys in this system suggest that you say a story like the jealous girlfriend and some other story that is not your story and where you have to lie a little. Maybe you could do it in the beginning until you get a social life and can tell your own stories. If you go out and are
I agree that the Love Systems/Mystery Method is silly and manipulative, and people can right through it (especially women), however it doesn't work because it's a scam and a con designed to rip off lonely and/or sexually frustrated men.
The only men that can successfully pick up women in nightclubs and bars are good looking studs,jocks and pretty boys, the average to ugly guy virtually has no chance.
Girls get all dolled up sit back and enjoy the show, while we are runnin around like dumb asses tryin to talk to them or get THEIR number, I mean really WTF its bs, it should be at least 50/50... somethings got to give. I think girls need to step up to the plate and swing , instead of sittin back and catchin the ball...
Stop complaining Dude and become a real man. A real man isn´t whining because a female doesn´t approach him... that´s your job!
And in General, a real man doesn´t complain about every little shit that happen to him. He just deals with it... I mean back in the day when our grandfathers have fought wars do u really think they pee in their pants because they had to approach a girl?! Stop thinking too much and just do your job... the nature will do the rest;-)
@getyapaper You're right, also, but now that we're reinstating traditional values, can we ram women back into the kitchens and blacks back into slave shanties?
Its not fair that men have to put them selves threw simonars to meet women the "correct" way, I mean really why is it so one sided the majority of time, you don't see women putting there selves threw this crap... I have great social skills and never relly any trouble meeting girls, but its like they exspect the guy to do it all
You know that isn't always true. If a guy is really good looking woman hit on him a lot of the time. In that case all he has to do is talk back to them and he's in there. No strategy needed. Of course statistically in studies they have found that looks rank pretty low down the list of things woman look for in a guy. Usually things like confidence, humor, and money rank higher then looks.
@PancakeRecipes That's not really true. Oddly, I was just reading a study that cited attractiveness as the most desirable characteristic in a mate, even if the person denies it. More importantly, mates of similar attractiveness are more likely to stay together longer.
Think about this. If you buy into this crap, you are signing up to be trained to use NLP tactics to trick drunk stupid girls to sleep with you. That would be sad if it wasn't so creepy; aspiring rapists need only apply.
Trust me, going out to bars and clubs with the specific intent on nailing trashy, ignorant, drunk females is a bad idea. You'll only invite needless and meaningless complications into your world. Btw, this whole scene is a throw-back to the 1990's; tacky and superficial at best!
I agree. I have been learning how to really meet woman(for hookups and/or long term relationships) and the places I go are not bars/night clubs. Those are the worst places to meet woman. The best places are the supermarket, home depot, the laundry mat, and book/video stores. And I always go during the day, it works every time. I keep telling my friends but they don't believe me. Bed Bath and Beyond at like 3pm on a Saturday is a pickup artist dream.
With insulting the women. It depends on how you neg her. Like what you say when you neg her and if you are just cocky and not funny or just too cocky.
Many hot women are bisexual. They go both ways. And culture is different in Eastern Europe or Russia, where stupid openers will not work. The culture is not frat over there. The definition of alpha is different.
like i sad before"3. The Mystery Method works at EVERYWHERE regardless of culture, country, or area."
culture does not matter. the definition of alpha is the same for ALL human beings. if u don believe me read the "rules of the game" where style talks about his encounter with the middle east. and openers are just conversation starters. "Hi" is an opener. so dont tell me they dont work cuz you use them too, like it or not. did i mention i know 2 native russian puas using MM?
just ask hot bisexual pornstar Shawna Leneé why. For some its for fun. for some its cuz guys never have sex withthem well enough to enjoy it. for others, they're figuring out if they're lesbians.
There are a whole plethora of reasons why a girl mite be bi. But if she gets attracted to guys at all, the mystery method works. And for that matter, mystery method works on guys to. yes you have to adapt your style, but the concepts are fundamentally the same
well the ugly women are bi or lesbian cause guys don't want them. the hot ones are bi cause they want to have a threesome with a guy and another hot girl.
Sorry have to call bullshit on the Mystery Method working on all heterosexual women regardless of country or culture.
The PUA industry is a SCAM and a FRAUD which rips off lonely/or sexually furstrated men.
All the "Mystery Method" /PUA crap is basically useless unless you are a good looking guy, but then again good looking men don't need PUA/Mystery Method because they will be popular with women anyway.
Further to my earlier comment, I would like to ask you, what proof do you have that the bullshit Mystery Method works on all women (irrespective of country or culture)??
PUA shit (even if it worked) is primarily designed to help men pick up drunk bar sluts/spolied party girls, and even then these type of women only go for the best looking studs and jocks.
opinion openers seem to work best. the ones me and my friend like using are just saying straight up skittles or m&ms? or which do girls prefer, froyo or ice cream? i like to make it an argument though; my favorite one is hey, my friend and i need you to settle our argument, he says youre not having a good time tonight and I think you are. that last one is how i met erika and kristy. 9's. :p
Guys,
Getting girls doesn't have to be difficult (I used to think it did).
I'll give you some advice right now..
Step 1: Go to MackMethods(dot)com
Step 2: Order the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use it and laugh at how easy girls are to figure out haha
Seriously, that program has changed my life. I probably shouldn't even be mentioning it because I don't want a bunch of other guys out there running the same "game" but whatever, I'm in a good mood today so I'll share the tip.
FreeOnlineWorkouts 6 months ago
@Canuckforces2 I think you must be watching some other PUA "guru's" videos (or old stuff). We at Love Systems don't do magic tricks, and we don't currently refer to women as "targets." We teach men how to be their best selves, and how to calibrate what they say and do to their specific identities. So, if there is a routine, it's going to be based on the individual man's lifestyle, activities, interests, etc.
LoveSystems 7 months ago 4
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10Kernel01 6 months ago
@Canuckforces2 This is a pretty silly outlook. That's like saying a woman shouldn't dress up nicer than she usually does when she goes out or wear makeup as she's not "authentic" to who she really is. Members of both sexes present themselves as best as they can to meet and attract mates/partners. Guys shouldn't be ashamed of this, and Love Systems works every day around the world.
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biyankasuzan 8 months ago
My advice to everyone trying this... please watch the VH1 season 1 and 2 of the Pickup Artist and learn how to socialize with girls. It will help you on every area of your life. But careful not to become to addicted!
JongaLife 9 months ago
@IHBJM I think you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm a good looking athletic latin guy with a huge dick but I used to say the wrong thing... pretty often and I was having some problems closing with chicks. I have been learning the mystery method for about 1 month now, doing plenty of reading and video watching and it had definitely helped me a lot. It definitely made me feel more self-confident and I say the right thing most of the time. I've been hanging w tons of girls lately.
JongaLife 9 months ago
@IHBJM Aaaaand its thinking like that that makes you rather unpleasant. If you don't believe it works, then it wont for you. enjoy mediocrity my tragically obtuse friend.
HenrytheWolf 9 months ago
@IHBJM Aaaaand its thinking like that that makes you rather unpleasant. If you dont belive it works, then it wont for you. enjoy mediocrity.
HenrytheWolf 9 months ago
they dudes talk too fast.its rushed.
"i had to read the bible before i stopped believing in god"
excellent quote!
alphafirstoneyou 9 months ago
soon these tactics will be so well known women will know what the hell you you are all about. wow that Blonde.
steptoesaunt 10 months ago
@IHBJM I'm not sure you really understand the point of what we're doing. Any guy can look good enough to meet women by getting a haircut and some clothes that fit, so we're not buying the "fugly" bit. And if a man doesn't know he has these "skills," then why is it wrong to teach them to him? There's no ripping people off when we teach guys who normally can't even speak to a woman in a social situation how to approach confidently and have genuine interactions.
LoveSystems 10 months ago 11
@LoveSystems Look, I get it. It's a business, and I know you wont "neg" your own business model. The truth is, a women will make a split second decision on whether to sleep with a man or to say no way in hell i'd hit that, all the best openers, approaches, etc. you can come up with more than likely wont change that. You also claim that "love systems" has a high rate of success and people rarely ask for their money back.
IHBJM 10 months ago
@IHBJM Uh huh, i'll bet that one would have to jump through hoops and red tape to get their money back that they would just say fuck it and give up. Thats probably how you can validate such a high rate of success. You just cant fuck with the laws of nature. Once again, a beautiful woman will not sleep with an ugly man no matter if he has a haircut and clothes that fit. I'm never gonna sleep with beautiful woman, I know that. I just think it's unfair to promote your business as such.
IHBJM 10 months ago
@IHBJM Sorry you feel that way, I really am. You can see by these videos how much media attention we've received over the years, and how many people are interested in what we're doing. Do you really think that we got this big with a bunch of smoke and mirrors? Nope. Our system works, and it works for all types of guys with all types of looks. I'd strongly suggest you check out The Attraction Forums (completely free); it sounds like you might get a lot out of hearing the success stories.
LoveSystems 10 months ago
@IHBJM I'm sorry, but That is absolute crap! if you Read the Mystery Method book, you'll know that all we are doing is Following the laws of nature, women are wired different to men. Please research something before you condemn it, i had to read the bible before i stopped believing in god, otherwise it's just ignorance. You have a defeatist attitude the "i can never get a girl like that" thing is rubbish, stop thinking like that, and straight away you're life will change.
mitchstringer 9 months ago
lol the short and long finger trick eh? Those girls were so stupid and they didnt even remember what was the game about.
pilotoatomico 11 months ago
1st and foremost, this is a tool, you cant rely solely on it. It is a means to get in, what you do after this will determine your ultimate "success" w/ women. If you are running game and "gambits" or whatever Mystery calls them all the time she wont stick around long. If you want a relationship you have to have some "inner game" as well. and that is something that is much harder to learn
DMaster81 11 months ago
Damn! My friend really has a jealous girfriend, but no one believes me anymore.
MrOsakhi 1 year ago
Mystery would be ashamed of this video.
Laughlinify 1 year ago
"It was so nice that he wanted to hear my opinion!"
He didn't. They point blank told you it was a pick up technique, ie, to get in your pants.
FeralRat 1 year ago
@FeralRat
It's so funny how the women were fooled by Lovesystems technique but Jeffries upfront method that doesn't rely on negs + push/pull got shot down.
oswain1 1 year ago
@FeralRat lol i know, women think they're more intelligent than men too. but they fall for this insecere bullshit.
steptoesaunt 10 months ago
Good ol' Mystery & Neil. Bitches rule.
ProgrammingLinguist 1 year ago
Hi, I'm Dr. Phil, the worlds most successful cock block.
jrs2782 1 year ago
you attract more bees with honey than with vinegar
pua4lyfe44 1 year ago
@pua4lyfe44 I couldn't agree more
amandaukok 1 year ago
"Disqualification" will only stop ALL rapport with the girl your chatting up and get her turned off and think your an aszhole.. "I like your nails.. are they real???" what a joke.. any idiot that thinks insulting women gets you closer to getting in her pants has NO game
pua4lyfe44 1 year ago
@pua4lyfe44 thats why its called a "false" disqualification. Your not telling the womren "yea im happily married and have 3 children therefore it would be completely socially unexeptable for us to even talk to each other." your telling her that you dont ussually date "her" type of women. The goal in a false disqualifyer is to seperate yourself from the other 4343 people who make it obvious that they are trying to pick the girl up.
geo10dude 1 year ago
@pua4lyfe44 man you don't even know what a false disqualifier is! You are describing a neg ( the nail routine ). A false disqualifier is saying something lke " we could never be together". Its called a false disqualifier because you are pretending you don't want to be with her we you do really. Both work but negs need to be playfull and ONLY used on very hot women to brig them down a peg, not on average women like in the video. I don't use negs often but ALWAYS use False Disqualifiers. They work
vorkutaman 1 year ago
This is such bullshit, you cant force people to like you no matter how much you try. Ive talked to good looking girls who are boring or too stuck up so why would i continue to be interested in talking to them. I'd rather talk to a cute girl with a personality. Some people just dont mesh together thats life deal with it
Gyro911 1 year ago
i think this is PUA thing is disgusting , going prepared to meet girls like with a strategy is to Phony!! its first, disrispectful, and even if it works i would actually feel bad of being so fake.. i better keep meeting girls normally, i dont care if its not every weekend!! though you can take some advice PUAs give like "go out actually and talk to women" thats a very good advice ahahaha, really!, and just try to have more confidence, and choose reasonable goals!!!
hashcr 1 year ago
@hashcr -- Women rejecting 99% of guys that approach them by saying "Hey how are you" is also phony. Go fuck yourself.
sabdow 1 year ago
@hashcr How would you approach a girl? How would you tell a story?
Paradoxolog 1 year ago
@hashcr
These girls are not getting brain washed, they have their own free will, and they know the guy is hitting on them, they are not that naive. They are getting entertained, which is why they went out in the first place.
MrXSpeaks 1 year ago
we purposely make it hard on our peers to approach us, because we can control them better when we make them feel unconfident!
vjiggy81 1 year ago
people people people....can I get ur opinion on something? when or is it ok for a male to get a boner when dancing with a girl?
workspace27 1 year ago
@workspace27 go big or go home, if u have a small dick, and shell feel a lil something nothing special, then NO. if you are packing the big guns, and things are escalating, grinding some touching, etc. then by all means
KingRockets 1 year ago
Damn. Why is it so hard to approach people? We all have the same psychological needs, right? Fear of loneliness and wanting companionship? Why do we need to follow these rules? Millions of books in how to communicate with others? To make others interested in me or anyone else? Shouldn't this be natural?
People wonder why depression and suicide is so high. There's so many other difficulties in life. Meeting other people shouldn't be another. There's gotta be something wrong with our culture.
yssispoop 1 year ago 37
@yssispoop That's a very valid point. Meeting women shouldn't be difficult and every guy has its right to date the women he wants. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the real world.
LoveSystems 1 year ago 23
@LoveSystems I like the agreement frame. NLP?
YoriATTACKS 1 year ago
@YoriATTACKS Not sure what you mean.
LoveSystems 1 year ago 4
@LoveSystems An agreement frame is a Neurolinguistic Programming skill that lets you steer an argument or disagreement in your favor, by first agreeing with the person then showing them why their view is wrong.
I commented because I thought it was intentional when you did one on yssispoop.
YoriATTACKS 1 year ago
@YoriATTACKS kindness jackass
pvsuckzcock 11 months ago
@yssispoop You are thinking too logically on this, in reality, things dont alway goes as the way you THINK it naturally would. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't have "natural" skills to engage people and start meaningful conversations. I think this is just a way to get them started and practicing. When these guys are comfortable enough around women, from there they'll naturally become themselves. Have you ever thought of why depression and suicide is so high?
tjello 1 year ago
@yssispoop Its hard to approach people in american culture because we have no culture here unlike europe where they know each others habits and traditions. Everybody is different and people roll in cliques. You need to conform to a clique to get your foot in the door with certain women. Not everybody is open to meeting anybody
Gyro911 1 year ago
@yssispoop -- Why don't you go ask the fucking women? They dress like sluts in every club but they knock off 99% of guys that approach them.
sabdow 1 year ago
@sabdow Then don't talk to girls who dress like sluts.
Paradoxolog 1 year ago
it should be a natural thing but plz do not forget that us as the human race have been making the world to our own liking of complexities that most ppl now a days run their life quite differently compared 200 years ago.. were living in a world of our own artificial ideas and have made the unatural THE natural. and its affecting us so much that we now have some social deficiencies
like anxieties with big crowds. some ppl are more comfortable around the presence of technology than that of a woman
Neotrigunnerx 1 year ago
@yssispoop your questions are right on, but they all have a great answer: Evolution.
Each and every male and female on the planet feels, consciously or not, like you've said- none want to be left alone. We all want to re-produce and survive. Doesn't it make sense when a specific female with high chances of re-production would not be satisfied by a man with lower chances of survival than hers? She wants the leader of the tribe, the man who will ensure the survival of her and her offspring.
NardiPaffon 1 year ago
@yssispoop your questions are right on, but they all have a great answer: Evolution.
Each and every male and female on the planet feels, consciously or not, like you've said- none want to be left alone. We all want to re-produce and survive. Doesn't it make sense when a specific female with high chances of re-production would not be satisfied by a man with lower chances of survival than hers? She wants the leader of the tribe, the man who will ensure the survival of her and her offspring.
NardiPaffon 1 year ago
@yssispoop That something called facebook !
Megasromanos 1 year ago
@yssispoop Yeah seriously. I mean girls aren't stupid their gonna know what you're doing when you open them so why not 'hello' ?
ichater 11 months ago
@yssispoop i understand, it's sad when guys have to resort to all this stuff, going to school to learn to pull chicks. But you're right, society is a mess. it's even worse here in England.
steptoesaunt 10 months ago
@yssispoop what is wrong is that most people don't teach each other how to act in a fun playful way... that's what this guy does. Once you start being playful with people, and not just with the girls you want to sleep with, you are going to start having the time of your life. What he teaches is truly not difficult but it does takes some courage and balls to break the ice.
JongaLife 9 months ago
@yssispoop
the hard truth(well, not for me.... i think it'd be boring otherwise) is that we DONT all have the same needs. Period. Also, we don't have the same goals, motivations, beliefs etc etc. Interactions are very complex and would be boring and staid if you just talked about simple things. PU is as much about becoming interesting/becoming a better person as it is about picking up women. You find that being moral, ambitious, and just basically being a good person attracts women.
tubub 9 months ago
The guy that said to the to-set: "So you're more girly and you're more masculine" at about 2:08 , was he saing that to the target (as a neg) or was it a cold reading routine?
91clasSick 1 year ago
@91clasSick two-set*
91clasSick 1 year ago
@91clasSick I think it was meant as a cold reading routine, but his choice of words was a little of so it came out as a bit of a neg, not a very good one though IMO.
DoTheImpossibleTwice 1 year ago
Damn Dr.Phil....revealing our beloved secrets and rules....good thing im in another country...where they LOVE americans...it always works!
CPenha 1 year ago
@CPenha And what country is this?
NosoCOMINSOON 1 year ago
@NosoCOMINSOON Brazil. ;)
CPenha 1 year ago
fucking dr phil he cant chow our guys pick up rules , if girls understand it they gonna be one step before us again ,,
DeejayFrenkie 1 year ago
@DeejayFrenkie lol start going natural bro. For Attraction and the first encounters in general, use mostly RSD's stuff. That way you cant get called out and they cant stay ahead of you. Once you get into D 2's and comfort building etc, then pop into mystery method or lovesystems mode. Just my personal advice, I dont work for either company, thats just the style ive found works for me.
Id also sugest combinin a bunch of different pickup styles, do that and u wont have anything to worry about
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
he talks like steve angello :D
DeejayFrenkie 1 year ago
Ok all of you guys, just listen up.
I, as a girl, have read Revelations by Mystery and The Game by Style. In my opinion, there is no better strategy than the Mystery Method. I even wish to be a guy, just to try it out (but I guess I'll just join the few female PUA's).
Don't say this doesn't work. It's based on facts :)
Soesii 1 year ago
These douche bags charge up to $3,000 for a boot camp.....what a rip off. HERE's the secret: ACT CONFIDENT. Go out and figure it out on your own. With $3,000 you can go out all year and EXPERIENCE will get you the women. This snake oil salesmen are fucking worthless. And that Nick guy sounded like a queer anyways.
nretelas 1 year ago
there are just some weird scenarios about the future built up in your brain. it´s not reality!
i been there... i know where you goin through. i´ve been a pessimistic selftalker myself...
you have to be patient, take your time, develop your personality. read the right books, go out and do some pro-actively stuff. don´t create just a character, create a lifestyle... this is hard work, but later on it definitely pays off in major way. stop this pessimistic selftalk, it gets you nowhere!
getyapaper 1 year ago
this kind of pessimistic self talk that i read here, causes me a mess of an headache!! there´s way to much limiting-belief bullshit goin on here...
the truth is... you have to get outthere an approach women!!! period.
i don´t give a fuck how you look, i don´t give a fuck where you come from or might your insecurities are. if you don´t go out and really passionate try some of this stuff out, i can´t take your comments serious... because they aren´t real experiences
getyapaper 1 year ago
@geytapaper
I agree I do possess a negative and defeatsist attitude when it comes to meeting women, but that has only come about as the result of a never ending stream of self esteem destroying rejections.
My experiences are real, very real, and I am a straight shooter who tells it like it is.
I am not a pessimist, I am a realist.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
Uh oh guys, lets not bullshit him anymor lets just admit it, he caught us
i mean come on, we all know that were scam artists. we take millions of dollars from these helpless men every year wth the promise of getting the girl. & we NEVER EVER really succeed, we just pay drunk girls to pretend theyr into us so that guys keep coming back
i mean we never go out and find "real down to earth women" in public do we. day game, is bullshit, lets just admit it guys, Seb from Sydney caught us red handed
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
@Orpheus1356
Yes, i did catch out the PUA scam artists, and these snakeoil salesman prey on lonely/or sexually frustrated men with false and empty promises.
The PUA industry has successfully ripped off many naive men, just like Scientology has ripped off many high profile Hollywood movie stars.
It's not hard to brainwash people if you use the right tactics.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
ok bro whatever makes you feel good.
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 you're a fucking fool
Zac6230 1 year ago
@Zac6230 Thanks for the compliment, but for your information, do you know what really is foolish ?Guys forking out up to $3K for silly PUA bootcamps, that's the true definition of foolishness. By all means improve yourself to make yourself attractive to women, but don't waste your time and money on mostly useless PUA junk.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
wow you sure showed me ! where do I begin?, listen asshole PUA is about tiem we had guys creating strategies and helping better our lives, it should inspire you to go out be social, look good be cool and have fun, understanding social dynamics is important dress well try took handsome and have good earning career if you dont thats your fault and no one cares PUA just helps you out, its guy talk, guys helping other guys. women wont tell you anything thats useful
Zac6230 1 year ago
@Zac6230
Geez, I am a "fool","arsehole" and a "loser", how do you know all these things about me? I agree men should improve themselves to make themselves more attractive to women, that's a no brainer. But I know men who have paid $3K for a PUA bootcamp, and they still got nothing. And yes, I agree female dating advice is totally useless.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
maybe they are rich and its none of your buinesss where they spend their money
Zac6230 1 year ago
@Zac6230
Yes, people can spend their money on whatever they like, but it's the lack of ethics of the PUA industry that I, and many other men have an issue with.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
I think you are pissed cause you're a skid, this stuff works it just doesnt work for guys like you... loser
Zac6230 1 year ago
@Zac6230 If you had half a brain in your head, you would know that in bar/nightclub envionment women will always go for the best looking/ormuscular men (trust me, I have seen it happen a million times). What good is PUA crap to an ugly guy (like me for example), if women are rejecting you instantly, even before you open your mouth?
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
dude, try to fix whats wrong with you I am not there so I dont know dress better workout, get skin care, hell plastic surgery is you have too, there has to be something you can do
Zac6230 1 year ago
@Zac6230
There's nothing wrong with me, but my problem is that I am often mistaken for an Arab (I am an Australian of Italian parents), and where I live, Sydney women hate Arab looking guys as they seen to be sleazy, threatening and treacherous.
There's not much I can do about racism and ethnic stereotyping.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 You may already be stuck in your ways, but try reading 'The Game' by Neil Strauss. It will give you a more insightful look into what the PUAs are all about. It's good to get both sides of the argument, you have yours, now hear theirs. I can't think of a better example than Neil Strauss because, if you watch some videos of him on YouTube, you will see that he is a genuine, honest and humble guy.
Go on, it's about £4 on Amazon and it's a fantastic read.
See you!
Craig
RandomMocker 1 year ago
chill, seb man. yeah, women like looks and personality. so if you're not so good looking, you've got to up the personality and people skills. doesn't mean you're going to be dating beautiful girls, but if you put the effort and practice in, then you can definitley have more success. sometimes you see a hot girl with an average guy who isn't a millionaire lol
freakyfadge 1 year ago
sebazio your right just work on your self on your own and you will get a natural swag if you have someone to show you how to dress or u already know how to dress you will be fine.its better to learn on your own than using other peoples stuff that are canned lines and routines. it makes you fake and wierd. and you start to notice stuff on your on like what works and doesnt work and you become a strong confident man to the ladies
cordice44413 1 year ago
hahaha... its funny how bitches see the world! .... gets them nowhere but bithchiland!
calderon1790 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 , "Women only care about looks, ...."
Clearly seb, you must not know much about women in the first place to criticize this system . If you were more experienced with women you would know that they do not base purely on looks which is what you are implicating . Looks just plays a part , just because you guys are visually stimulated from looks doesn't mean women are. Go do your homework buddy
mayknfai 1 year ago
@mayknafi
I never professed to be an expert on women and dating, but I know for a FACT, that if a woman is not giving you clear indicators of interest/attraction, then all the PUA nonsense will not make a single difference.
And for your information I have done my homework, and the whole PUA industry is a scam, because in a bar/nightclub environment women will only go for the best looking studs and jocks, average to ugly looking guys, don''t stand a chance.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
Geez, more brainwashed disciples of the PUA cult.
Women only care about looks, and if they don't give you clear indicators of interest, don't bother approaching them, because they will reject you.
Approaching random women unless you are a good looking guy is just plain retarded.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
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SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle.
No, as I have got older I have come to the realisation that if a woman does not find you physically attractive within the first 2 to 5 seconds of seeing you, then it's GAME OVER, and no PUA crap ie. playing mind games with women and using cheesy pick up lines will change that.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 don't women get pissed if you approach them in australia?
thughug22 1 year ago
@thughug
Women get very pissed off when I approach them, because of my ugly Middle Eastern/Arab appearance (I am actually of Italian background, but I am often mistaken for an Arab), and where I live Arabs are not liked.
But I have not asked a woman for date since December 2007, because I have given up due to a never ending stream of self esteem destroying rejections
Shit happens, what can you do??
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
Y does one of the guys sound like he's gay, I don't think that stuff works at all. Those guys that did the approaching are obviously actors, FAKES
R1o05 2 years ago
@R1o05
Good comment, the PUA industry is all smoke and mirrors, and I wouldn't believe any of the bullshit they say.
And you are right PUA shit doesn't work.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
take care of your garden, and the honeybees will come to you :)
real PUA's dont sarge. they are getting sarged!
JackieD1988 2 years ago
@JackieD1988
Good looking men who are popular with women don't need PUA crap, because in reality men like these will get so much positive validation from women.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
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SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
A handsome guy simply needs the ability to act on the indicators of interest (ie. positive female body language), he gets from women.
Yes, social skills are important, but without that initial physical attraction, women will not give you an audience with them.
Seb
Sydney
AUSTRALIA
sebazio3333 1 year ago
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SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
I am not very shallow at all, it's women who are more shallow than men. Yes, on the odd occaision I have seen ugly men with 9's, but this is the exception not the rule.
If you see an ugly man with a 9 out 10 looking woman, it's only because he is either rich/or famous, or he just fluked it, and found one of those rare women that values things other than looks,
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
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SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
No, I am not mistaken, women care a lot more about looks than men do. I have seen men who are meatheads, jerks etc but get girls beacuse of their looks, and then I have seen average to ugly looking guys with great personalities not even been given a chance by women, because they were not handsome.
I am sorry, but women are million times more shallow than men, and I can easily prove it.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333
u are kidding
i think there is something with your girls you had experience, perhaps a tranny
SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicStyle
No I am not kidding, I am deadly serious, the women I approached (especially here in Sydney) are LOOKIST BIGOTS, and no I can't say any of them were trannies, all the women I approached defnitely had vaginas.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333
foolish you are defending a losing battle
but you can believe it if you wish because you can use it as a excuse
SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
I am not defending a losing battle, what use is PUA GAME if a woman has already rejected you. even before you open your mouth??
You may not think looks don't count to women, well go to a nigtclub/bar and test that theory out, and you will find that in a nightclub/bar environment, only the good looking guys get the girls.
Sorry just telling it like it is.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@seb
do you even know how mystery teaches
its not like a girl is going to say... oh dont try to use that pua on me
its just raising peoples confidents and seeing the world differently.
i think you are seeing this as a game and manipulating the girls...
Yes i have been to clubs and i see average looking guys getting good looking girls..
I'm not at all saying looks doesn't matter but personality has a big part.
Well if you see a hobbo and his eating cheese well i guess your argument stands.
SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
Mystery (real name Erik Von Markovic) teaches men how to play stupid mind games with women in order to seduce and eventually bed them.
The issue is, Mystery and all the other "high priests" of the PUA cult are clever businessmen who trick lonely men into believing that looks don't count when it comes to women, when in REALITY looks do count.
And for your information, I have rarely seen average looking guys get girls in clubs, only the good looking guys get the girls.
Seb
Syd, Aus
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333
You realise mystery isn't very hot and he is good at getting girls..
In your prospective i guess he is just lucky and flukey right.
SonicXStyle 1 year ago
@SonicXStyle
No homo here, but the reason Mystry is so successful at getting girls is because in the eyes of women, he is considered to be uinversally handsome ie. he is tall dark and handsome.
So in reality, Mystery's success with women does come down to some degree of luck (ie. he has benn blessed with good genes), because if Mystery was short bald and ugly like me, he would not get any girls.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
interesting..
SonicXStyle 1 year ago
Hah dude, youre short, bald and ugly ?
No wonder youre here shitting on this system. They also give advice on style and fashion.
My personal tip for you right away would be, get a wig, or some women like bald guys. Ive met many short guys who can talk girls out of breath.
And stop ending ever comment with
"Seb
Sydney
Australia"
I dont even know you and already you proven to be an annoyance.
xDilutedx 1 year ago
@xDilutedx
I am shitting on the PUA system, because I don't want to see men get ripped off by these snakeoil salesmen. By all means improve yourself to become more attractive to women, but don't waste your money on PUA junk.
I too can talk girls out of breath, but that means nothing unless the woman is physically attracted to you, and she wishes to communicate with you.
And if my quoting my name and place of residence annoys you, then get over it.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
I can see would people would not only find you physically repulsive, but also mentally.
Enjoy your loneliness sir.
xDilutedx 1 year ago
@xDilutedx
I admit I am not the best looking guy in the world, but when I meet people I am always polite, friendly and very easy to get along with..
My attitude or mentality, whilst it may not be positive one, it's a realistic one.
Loneliness chose me, and many other men are lonely against their own will.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 Dude those people responding to you are ignorant and WOULD be stupid enough to cough up 3k on some low budget PUA conference. There is a lot of truth in what you have to say. I am fairly attractive and when I get an intuitive thought that a woman is digging me, I will pounce. Fuck that bullshit this system teaches. If she is attracted to you, she WILL continue to talk to you.
StagnantBeetz 1 year ago
@StagnantBeetz So for the ugly, awkward, and geeky guys out there, they will never get any girls? How is it that you are calling others ignorant when you are obviously the one quick to judge othesr?
tjello 1 year ago
@tjello What the fuck are you rambling on about??
StagnantBeetz 1 year ago
@StagnantBeetz im rambling about your stupid ass if u havent noticed already. You sound like the biggest douche on the planet Iand just had to stop and mention it to the world.
tjello 1 year ago
Lol bro i couldnt find ur reply to me. but watev.
addressing ur comment about only working on drunk sluts in a nightclub - 1st off, i find that statement degrading to women. 2nd, im not old enough to get into a bar or club where women(not sluts) would be drunk. So i do most of my "picking up" in BROAD DAYLIGHT. same method, same women, same results
as to looks. Mehow is one ugly ass mofo. and he gets girls better than most handsome guys do. the vids are online.....
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
@Orpheus1356
My comments with regards to women in nightclubs are "degrading to women"??
Looks let's cut the crap here, the vast majority of women who frequent nightclubs and bars are the not the type of women you are going to settle down with and have a family with, nor are they the type of women you are you are going to take home and introduce to mum and dad.
As for pikcking women in broad daylight, only very good looking men can pull that off.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
to quote Tyler Durden of RSD "looks make absolutely NO difference"
I'm assuming ur a guy. from the way ur writing (if im wrong i apologize) but you find me the ugliest guy you can and My friends and I can train him to get women better than you.
btw, yes there are multiple schools of pickup if you were wondering. most with good contributions that help each guy find his own style to bring his best self forward...
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
"I am not defending a losing battle, what use is PUA GAME if a woman has already rejected you. even before you open your mouth??"
if this happens, it is because you are most likely showing bad body language. or you are coming off as creepy. I think you arent giving women enough credit.
Now if you want to keep ur limiting beliefs that women only like the rich and good looking guys. thats fine, no sweat off my back. you just become one more chode to be dominated.
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
@Orpheus1356
Bullshit!!, women in a bar/nightclub situation make up their mind about you within 2 to 5 seconds of seeing you, and it they are not physically attracted to you, it's game over.
My beliefs are not limiting beliefs, it's called being realistic and knowing your limitations as a man.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333
Not true. Even if the bar/night club, you can get a girl to change her mind about you. You do this by doing some cool dance moves, dancing with other girls on the dance floor, and demonstrating some social proof by chatting it up with other guys.
MisterCool 1 year ago
@MisterCool
That's nonsense, sure being a good dancer may impress some women, but they still have to be physically attracted to you.
Like I have said before, in a bar/nightclub environment, women will always pick the best looking guy, and once a woman saids no, she means exactly that ie. NO, and it's virtually impossible to make a woman change her mind about you, once she has made up her mind.
Seb
Sydney
Australia.
sebazio3333 1 year ago
I'm really not gonna argue with you any more though.
it seems to me that u either have some deep seeded problem with women or you are so content with being a hopeless man that when someone is questioning your reality and how u perceive the world, you close down.
2 the rest of the puas on here, i say dont bother with this guy. hes happy with his delusional reality. so leave him too it. he knows this is here now, and if he ever decides to let go of his social conditioning, he knows where to trn
Orpheus1356 1 year ago
@Orpheus1356
I am just straight shooter who tells like it is, and if my politcal incorrectness bothers you, well that's tough luck.
For your information I am not delusional, but what is delusional is tellling ugly looking men that they can pick up hot looking women, and charging them up to $3k for some silly bootcamp.
There is nothing wrong with men wanting to improve their dating lives, but PUA is not the answer.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@sebazio3333 Its not only in a night club or bar but unfortunately its everywhere. I don't give a shit what any PUA or dating guru says but its been tested by myself that LOOKS DO MATTER for a MAN. When I have a haircut and I shave and wear a Banana Republic dress shirt I get a shallow smile from a girl but when I grow facial hair and wear a grungy looking t-shirt I get no attention. Looks do matter for a guy but not as much as it does for a girl. I think you know that cause you seem smart.
RussX5Z 1 year ago
@RussX5Z
Thanks for your comment, yes looks do count, and these PUAs are kidding themselves if they believe they don't.
In a bar/nightclub scenario women will always go for the best looking stud/jock, and I have seen this happen with my own eyes too many times.
PUA is only of any use to good looking guys, but then again good looking guys pick up women because of their looks, and don't really need PUA (not that it works).
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
''Good looking men who are popular with women don't need PUA crap, ''
no shit sherlock. if someone is already popular with women, then of course he doesnt need help
ive never read anything from a PUA, who doesnt say that looks matters. ''looks dont matters'' is a cliche, in the end every famous PUA also explains how much it helps to improve your own looks
what you are basicly saying, that a bad-looking guy cant use Game, in order to get a beautiful girlfriend? ive seen the opposite in real life
JackieD1988 1 year ago
@JackieD1988
Yes, "game" is basically usesless to an ugly man if a woman has already rejected him.
Of course an ugly man can go to the gym, get ripped which will increase his chances of picking up a woman. My issue is with the misleading assertions made by the PUA industry that ugly men can pick up hot looking women when in reality this rarely happens.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
''Yes, "game" is basically usesless to an ugly man if a woman has already rejected him.''
theres a smaller chance the woman will reject him in the beginning, if the ugly guy knows what he is doing.
take johnny soporno.. he looks like someone who has spend half his life at a computer. hes been in the porn industry for many years, and is also a top PUA. hes got so much charisma and easy with women because of this, and he gets laid like hugh heffner. and no, he is not super rich
JackieD1988 1 year ago
@JackieD1988
Citing an adult movie/porn star is probably not the best example, because even if he is ugly, the women he sleeps with are being paid to sleep with him. Also, the fact that "Johnny soporno" is now a high profile/famous person, would make him attractive to women.
In my case, I get rejected by women even before I open my mouth because of my Arab looks, and where I live, Arab or Arab looking guys are not desired by women.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
my point is, that there is so much more to game, than just what comes out of your mouth. you say u get rejected before even opening your mouth, and therefore it must be impossible for you to attract beautiful girls
bullshit!
same happens for me. but if i use 30min to talk to every guy in the bar, and some of the easy/ugly girls as well, i have become the social center. my value is now high enough for the beautiful girls.
add body language, energy and other stuff, and you are good to go
JackieD1988 1 year ago
dont know if youtube posted my first comment i try again
anyway.. with good game, an ugly guy wont get rejected before he even open his mouth. there are so many things that goes on BEFORE you even approach the beautiful girl
there are plenty of ugly pua's. like johnny soporno. hes not rich, yet still gets laid like hugh heffner. His life in the porn industry and the PU world, has given him an ease with women, and a very strong charisma.
JackieD1988 1 year ago
@sebazio3333
Looks do matter but the great thing about looks is that girls go for different things. I've gotten girls over guys that I thought were better looking than me and I've had guys get girls over me that I was positive that I was better looking than.
MisterCool 1 year ago
@RussX5Z it matters more for women , its just men will sleep with anything
Zac6230 1 year ago
Social you will have stories to tell and you don´t have to make up some story that other people use.
BadassMMA 2 years ago
Yes, the Love Systems/Mystery Method is silly, manipulative and other guys can see right through it. But you know what? It works on women.
Bigwave2003 2 years ago
I don´t think it´s manipulative. Guys that learn this improve their social skills and learn how to make girls/women like them. I don´t think that guys should lie when they do openers. I myself don´t like lying and the guys in this system suggest that you say a story like the jealous girlfriend and some other story that is not your story and where you have to lie a little. Maybe you could do it in the beginning until you get a social life and can tell your own stories. If you go out and are
BadassMMA 2 years ago
@Bigwave2003
I agree that the Love Systems/Mystery Method is silly and manipulative, and people can right through it (especially women), however it doesn't work because it's a scam and a con designed to rip off lonely and/or sexually frustrated men.
The only men that can successfully pick up women in nightclubs and bars are good looking studs,jocks and pretty boys, the average to ugly guy virtually has no chance.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
Girls get all dolled up sit back and enjoy the show, while we are runnin around like dumb asses tryin to talk to them or get THEIR number, I mean really WTF its bs, it should be at least 50/50... somethings got to give. I think girls need to step up to the plate and swing , instead of sittin back and catchin the ball...
jerad0683 2 years ago
Stop complaining Dude and become a real man. A real man isn´t whining because a female doesn´t approach him... that´s your job!
And in General, a real man doesn´t complain about every little shit that happen to him. He just deals with it... I mean back in the day when our grandfathers have fought wars do u really think they pee in their pants because they had to approach a girl?! Stop thinking too much and just do your job... the nature will do the rest;-)
getyapaper 2 years ago
Back in the day there was no such thing as sexual harassment in America. LOL.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
@getyapaper You're right, also, but now that we're reinstating traditional values, can we ram women back into the kitchens and blacks back into slave shanties?
supasonicman 2 years ago
Its not fair that men have to put them selves threw simonars to meet women the "correct" way, I mean really why is it so one sided the majority of time, you don't see women putting there selves threw this crap... I have great social skills and never relly any trouble meeting girls, but its like they exspect the guy to do it all
jerad0683 2 years ago
You know that isn't always true. If a guy is really good looking woman hit on him a lot of the time. In that case all he has to do is talk back to them and he's in there. No strategy needed. Of course statistically in studies they have found that looks rank pretty low down the list of things woman look for in a guy. Usually things like confidence, humor, and money rank higher then looks.
PancakeRecipes 2 years ago
@PancakeRecipes That's not really true. Oddly, I was just reading a study that cited attractiveness as the most desirable characteristic in a mate, even if the person denies it. More importantly, mates of similar attractiveness are more likely to stay together longer.
JoshRom 2 years ago
Hey if woman keep watching these videos they wont fall for the lines anymore.
PancakeRecipes 2 years ago 4
haha yea true. women can play it up like it's cheesey or it's cool because at the end of the night it's obvious they want to get pounded on
chrisbary 2 years ago
that's why you don't use the same ones all the time, and make up your own.
fransack 2 years ago
Think about this. If you buy into this crap, you are signing up to be trained to use NLP tactics to trick drunk stupid girls to sleep with you. That would be sad if it wasn't so creepy; aspiring rapists need only apply.
Trust me, going out to bars and clubs with the specific intent on nailing trashy, ignorant, drunk females is a bad idea. You'll only invite needless and meaningless complications into your world. Btw, this whole scene is a throw-back to the 1990's; tacky and superficial at best!
cliklab 2 years ago
I agree. I have been learning how to really meet woman(for hookups and/or long term relationships) and the places I go are not bars/night clubs. Those are the worst places to meet woman. The best places are the supermarket, home depot, the laundry mat, and book/video stores. And I always go during the day, it works every time. I keep telling my friends but they don't believe me. Bed Bath and Beyond at like 3pm on a Saturday is a pickup artist dream.
PancakeRecipes 2 years ago
1. NLP is not always necessary, though useful.
2. The Mystery Method works on ALL heterosexual women.
3. The Mystery Method works at EVERYWHERE regardless of culture, country, or area.
4. The guys who get into this stuff, are usually the nerdy nice guys who hav had a hard time conveying their personality in the first place.
5. Considering Ive been a successful practitioner for about 3 years now, I think i would know.
6. Not once, in those entire 3 years have i ever been insulting to women.
Orpheus1356 2 years ago
With insulting the women. It depends on how you neg her. Like what you say when you neg her and if you are just cocky and not funny or just too cocky.
BadassMMA 2 years ago
Many hot women are bisexual. They go both ways. And culture is different in Eastern Europe or Russia, where stupid openers will not work. The culture is not frat over there. The definition of alpha is different.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
like i sad before"3. The Mystery Method works at EVERYWHERE regardless of culture, country, or area."
culture does not matter. the definition of alpha is the same for ALL human beings. if u don believe me read the "rules of the game" where style talks about his encounter with the middle east. and openers are just conversation starters. "Hi" is an opener. so dont tell me they dont work cuz you use them too, like it or not. did i mention i know 2 native russian puas using MM?
Orpheus1356 2 years ago
and about bisexual women.
just ask hot bisexual pornstar Shawna Leneé why. For some its for fun. for some its cuz guys never have sex withthem well enough to enjoy it. for others, they're figuring out if they're lesbians.
There are a whole plethora of reasons why a girl mite be bi. But if she gets attracted to guys at all, the mystery method works. And for that matter, mystery method works on guys to. yes you have to adapt your style, but the concepts are fundamentally the same
Orpheus1356 2 years ago
most of this im quoting from her and bi people i know that ive used mystery method on.
Orpheus1356 2 years ago
well the ugly women are bi or lesbian cause guys don't want them. the hot ones are bi cause they want to have a threesome with a guy and another hot girl.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
@Orpheus1356
Sorry have to call bullshit on the Mystery Method working on all heterosexual women regardless of country or culture.
The PUA industry is a SCAM and a FRAUD which rips off lonely/or sexually furstrated men.
All the "Mystery Method" /PUA crap is basically useless unless you are a good looking guy, but then again good looking men don't need PUA/Mystery Method because they will be popular with women anyway.
Seb
Sydney
Australia
sebazio3333 1 year ago
@Orpheus1356
Further to my earlier comment, I would like to ask you, what proof do you have that the bullshit Mystery Method works on all women (irrespective of country or culture)??
PUA shit (even if it worked) is primarily designed to help men pick up drunk bar sluts/spolied party girls, and even then these type of women only go for the best looking studs and jocks.
Seb
SYDNEY
AUSTRALIA
sebazio3333 1 year ago
It's no different then beauty products and the Cosmopolitan for women.
Orpheus1356 2 years ago
I just say the most stupid thing I can think of and it usually works
BholeViolater 2 years ago 3
opinion openers seem to work best. the ones me and my friend like using are just saying straight up skittles or m&ms? or which do girls prefer, froyo or ice cream? i like to make it an argument though; my favorite one is hey, my friend and i need you to settle our argument, he says youre not having a good time tonight and I think you are. that last one is how i met erika and kristy. 9's. :p
JanuaryDiamonds 2 years ago