@donpetinatti No - that's an Argentine lie. A tiny little gunboat* and it captain demanded the settlers raise the British flag. Only a *handful* of settlers left.
*This same tiny little gunboat that prevented the entire nation of Argentina from ever daring to challenge the Brits for the next 150 years. Conclusion: Argentina either don't really want the Falklands, or they're terrible cowards.
@crapatev Will always be pirates! The English poor people live in small islands, it shows you love the islands! We have land to spare! And in the future the power of a country by recussos will have! See you in a few years!
@crapatev We do not believe what the government tells us, you believe it, I say this in books. You live in a lie, they put into their heads that what they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, together with the Yankees, is for freedom, but in truth for resources and to end government that does not suit you!, be more revolutionary missing your people, you do not know, you do not know anything, just what you should know them. Pirates forever!
Born and raised in 60's Glasgow, My dad left for the Navy at fifteen to send home money for his family. He had to borrow a wallet from his mate down the road as he was so poor. He will not tell me of the horrors he encountered in the falklands.Once or maybe two times when he had a whiskey he discribed men screaming for their lives as they drowend. And mens brains laid in a helmet only to deny it the next day.He has retired now as a chief petty officer, I do not wish for a return of this war
@leady73....for starters I am not Argentinian. I can understand that you are proud of what you have acomplished as a country, but I am sorry to say....they don't impress me. If I see what your country has done in latin America, I can only feel rejection.
@marcvancaillie never said you were from Argentina ...and i or my country don't have to impress anyone let alone you if you want to talk about who did what in Latin america why don't you ask the Spanish what thy did ? and then compare and yes my country has accomplished a lot that has benefited the whole world and yes i am proud very proud
@leady73 You're right about the Spanish, but if you lokk carefully at what the British did in latin America, it isn't a very nice historical picture either.
No problem that you're proud of your country, but that doesn't mean I have to think the way you do. So....that's the end of the discussion.
@EddieExile Well...you have a point, but if you insist...I'm not Belgian either, although I live in Belgium....take a look at what the UK did in Ireland and in scotland....nothing to be proud of either....sorry pal, but you don't convince me.
every country in the world can be criticised for past behaviour but relevant to this video is that the UK in south america cannot be compared to the spanish/argentine genocide, and it is the argentines who are pontificating about alleged British colonialism - and am not trying to convince you at all - sorry pal but you aren't that important
@EddieExile Well Eddie....take a look into your history books and you will learn about the genocide in Paraguay...the killing of the miners in Iquique in Chile, the pacific war between chile, Peru and Bolivia and you will learn what marvalous people are the British. And for the record...I don't consider myself as an important being, but in my opinion, the British are pure shit!
Venezuela's President Chavez urged south americans to boycott celebrating the "discovery" of the Americas, stating that this was genocide and that Spain spearheaded the biggest invasion and genocide ever seen in the history of humanity and Spanish conquistadors like Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro, had massacred south america’s Indian inhabitants at a rate of roughly "one every 10 minutes.
The Brits won't be losing any sleep over the views of a knobhead bigot like you
@EddieExile Let it be clear Eddie...I'm not interested in whatever Mr.Chavez might think...even my answers to you are not a personal attack...you are entitled to have your vision on whatever and who the F am I to judge you for that....but I also have the right to have my opinion on the worlds history....I even don't want to spend my whole evening argueing with you....th epoint is, I don't admire your "British empire" and I don't give a shit about what you might think about that.
@marcvancaillie Well dont be to harsh on the British we did more than our fair share to liberate you twice. Its not like the Dutch did not have a "empire" I did not see Argentina coming to help you, in fact they supported the Nazis.
"the Americans, kicked you out at a certain point in history?" yes with your help and the French and Spanish without that they would have failed.
Brits, French,Germans, Spanish, Portugese, even the Dutch built empires.
@DoctorEnzo No one can say that that is not true, but does this mean that we are condamned to agree with you on whatever till the end of times? And referring to Flanders Fields...that's the reflection on human stupidity in his greatest form. The point is Doctor Enzo...the interest of the Uk is not in defending the Kelpers. Oil and future asperations at Antarctica...these are your real reasons.
@marcvancaillie Yes flanders what a waste, but it was not the British starting this, we defended Europe while others sided with the Nazi's or helped them...or like the Argies sat on the fence.
If the Brits did not dig our heels in we would ALL be part of Germany or Russia. Some repect for the lost should be given.
Dont you think the Argies want the oil also? Or do you think they care about the indgeous penguins?
@DoctorEnzo My only point is....the British should keep out of the South Atlantic. They are even violating international treaties.(Tratado para la Proscripción de las Armas Nucleares en América Latina y el Caribe (Tlatelolco) de 1967) South America is a nuclear arms FREE zone and you are bringing nuclear arms in there. The Argentines have every right to claim the oil. It is in their teritorial waters and I don't think they want a second BP event (Gulf of Mexico)
@marcvancaillie First off the British NEVER tell people where the nuke subs are. This is Argie media going mad. The fact is with a range of 18,000Km you dont need to park a sub in the back yard. But even the suggestions of the UK nuking Argentina shows their media and goverment are mental, creating hysteria.
National waters do not extend over 250 miles, so they have NO right to claim.
@DoctorEnzo The islands dont need Argentina. The dont travel to the mainland now, this is due to a breakdown of realationships due to the Argies either having
A Junta govermnet
B Goverment that kills is own
C The fact they illegally invaded the islands (more than once)
D They Argies dont want to talk (see point C)
E The Argies want to escalte this (see current media)
@DoctorEnzo Look my friend...you have every right to think whatever you like, but so do I and I don't support the UK's claim on the Falklands. As for your sub...they captured it on photograph. In the XXIst century, there's no place for colonialism and that's really the end of the discussion for me.
UN resolution 1541 states that a Non-Self-Governing Territory can be said to have reached a full measure of self-government by:
(a) Emergence as a sovereign independent State;
(b) Free association with an independent State; or
(c) Integration with an independent State.
The Falklands have chosen Option (b) ie to be a self governing Overseas Territory of the UK (and of the EU) responsible for all areas of government except foreign affairs and defence.
@marcvancaillie If you look up the dipute with the islands, really we did not STEAL these, we did not sail over kill the natives and so on...This is what many think. No we claimed the land long before the Argentinians. They dont like it and the claim is based on location...Therefore should China claim Japan and Taiwan? The USA claim Cuba...well they tired that and failed. But the natives (British) dont want Argentinian rule, just like the dutch did not want german rule.
@marcvancaillie But as we know the Brits claimed the islands first (which had NO natives), inhabited it first, and of course make up 90% of the indegeous population.
The dates and times are backed up with history, both sides agree (before even Argentina was a country). The French have a bigger claim.
They are not in within the distance the UN or any country recognise as National waters.
So really what is the Argies claim? Location.... Ask Taiwan and Cuba about this....
@EddieExile One last comment Eddie....if the British were such marvalous people, tell my why your ex compatriots, the Americans, kicked you out at a certain point in history?
Sorry pal, I would like to discuss this with you over a nice pint of beer or a botlle of good whiskey, but I think you are too narrow minded to do this......
@marcvancaillie We can all take parts of history and reflect. I am sure the Dutch would like to "delete" some things it did...Like the Brits, but we are allies. look what the germans did to you in 2 wars vs the Brits over history, but whatever think what you want.
You should run down to flanders if you doubt the British, and maybe show a little more respect. We lost millions defending the Freedoms and your country, and the rest of Europe and the world, you now take for granted
@ericksot13 no there not the Falklands belong to the Falkland islanders we the British are protecting there right to independence against Argentinian aggression
@777MexicanPride777 Go back to sleep you feckless half-breed. Seems *you're* the fags - you should've kicked the spics back to Spain but instead you let them buttfuck you.
@777MexicanPride777-How can you call British faggots and then say that they always steal land?If you mean homosexual then yes there are gay people here as in every country,but if you mean as to suggest we are weak and cowardly then you have just contradicted yourself and are a complete dickhead,by the way its LAND(singular),see we are not just land thieves but also good to educate inferior people.
@DanUKAUS pinchy bola de pendejos you ignorants dumbfuck mexican is not a muthafucking language you dumbshit SPANISH its a language putos perros buenos para nada a la verga con ustedes ingleses
@EddieExile There is an error in a comment of my account someone wrote something about war and the Chileans, this is a mistake ... anyway, the Chileans are very different from the Argentines, sorry, wrong. 'll fix this.
argie pussies, how many of your baby killing troops were sent back in body bogs because you were brainwashed to think the falklands are yours. its funny to see how sad you all are
@raz260696 argentinians are "hard" enough to take them back. They kicked your forefathers ass two times back in XIX, when Britain attempted to gain control on South america. They are just too stupid and prone to corrupt governments to organize an effective militar expedition overseas. On the other hand Britain does that pretty well
@bassmanclau I don't need to dream, its a well known fact that the argie troops were the attackers and got what was coming to them. the argie troops, hard when shooting children, not so hard when faced with people that can shoot back
@raz260696 hahaha you don't know anything about this war. I'm stoned to see so many ignorant brits here. Argies sent mainly conscript troops, you find that in every document of the time.
@bassmanclau "Argies sent mainly conscript troops, "
Which sums up how much you value the Falklands, doesn't it? You prefer repressing your people back home with your most effective troops, rather than using them to "defend" your beloved "Malvinas".
@bassmanclau The islands were never firmly in the control of *any* nation until 1833, but Britain had the most right - by discovery and use (sealers and whalers, along with the USA).
Read the wiki - Vernet's expeditions pre-1933 were never official Argentinian settlements; they were commercial operations, with many British officials/officers, a German leader (Vernet) and British permission.
@crapatev Firm or not, the islands were first french, then spanish and finally argentinian. There are many treaties supporting the spanish rulership on the islands. Utrecht and Tordesillas first came to mind. I recommend not to see Wikipedia as the only source of your knowledge, it has so many errors and omissions..
@crapatev I say again , you must to read real history! not only your shitty Wikipedia sources. You even ignore what Utrecht and Tordesillas means! That's what one would expect from a gringo not from a british
@crapatev the text that says they were first landed by 1690. There was almost three spanish marines who reached the island in 1500's, a time when Britain navy was only a project under Henry VIII
@crapatev in 1820 (when the islands are uninhabited) llegaronn dela ships (at the time) Argentina Argentina confederation, since the islands are on the right sucescion,. In 1833 British ships arrived to take the islands
now tell me. if that is not taking place then tell me. What is it?
source: wikipedia (I remind you that not everyone can edit wikipedia. you need a thing called literature)
"On 20/5/1776 British forces formally left Port Egmont, leaving a plaque asserting Britain's continuing sovereignty over the islands
Vernet took settlers and sought permission from the British. After receiving consent, Vernet agreed to provide regular reports to the British and requested British protection.
Argentina claims that the population of the islands was expelled in 1833; however, sources from the time suggest that the colonists were encouraged to remain"
@legoultracreator Just checked; I hope you're not claiming Jewetts' adentures as the Argentine settlement of the Falklands. He actually *was* a pirate - guilty of two clear acts of piracy and not remotely a credible argument for Argentine ownership.
@bassmanclau Well, you have important news for the world! Apparently the Treaty of Utrecht stipulates that the Holy Roman Empire (i.e. Germany) owns Sardinia, Milan and Naples, among other things. Do they know this? Advance, Leopard IIs!
Hint: the morality of modern-day disputes are not decided by 300 year old treaties between warring empires. Talk about "scraping the barrel" ...
@crapatev " I've no idea where you get your history from" That happens when your shitty governments try to hide real history from you. You must to read about "Islario" of Alonso de Santa Cruz, to begin first. Then you may be interested in Diego de Ribero's chart. There are at least a dozen more. Read
@bassmanclau You should follow your own advice: don't just read propaganda that supports your position. As for "shitty governments" - The UK is an important first-world country. Argentina is not. Jeez.
@crapatev The history of the Uk is one of stealing resources that didn't belong to them....turning pirates into knights.....opressing people (Ireland)......you should read "las venas abiertas de America latina" and then we'll see if you're still so proud of your Great Britain!
@marcvancaillie "The history of the Uk is one of stealing resources that didn't belong to them....turning pirates into knights.....opressing people (Ireland)"
All empires/powers do bad things, including the UK in its empire days; who didn't?
"you should read "las venas abiertas de America latina" and then we'll see if you're still so proud of your Great Britain!"
1. Who said I was "so proud" of GB?
2. Re "open veins" - GB didn't colonize Latin America: Spain and Portugal did!
@marcvancaillie France Germany Spain Netherlands Portugal Italy Russia o and the list goes on thees are all country's that that had there own chunk of empire in one way or another even the USA against the native Americans fact is almost every country has a past thy are not proud of even yours Argentina invaded the Falklands so what does that make them ? as for being proud to come from Great Britain YES we have contributed more to the modern world through inventions than any other we are the U.K
@marcvancaillie-Pirates stole from people who had already stolen it,such as stealing from Spanish fleets who had stolen it from the people they raped and murdered in South America,what a great example that was you complete twat.Yeah I am sure many have read that book and are still proud to say "WE ARE THE BEST"face it what other countries have "GREAT" before its original name.HAHAHA love it
aha the British controlled the Falkland Islands before Argentina was even a country, plus the inhabitants are British so its not going to happen really is it
The names of First Nation peoples you killed and land-robbed (instead of settling the Falklands before the British) include the Diaguita, Kolla, Toba, Guarani, Mapuche, Wichi, Mocovi and Huarpe. There are dozens more.
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Argentina
@bassmanclau No your wrong, Britain are there because the majority of the population want to be British, and the islands have always been British. Even if the British had a weaker military than Argentina, other countries would help the British.
@DanUKAUS What in write in "Mexican"? I'm really sorry but you are the biggest dumbass on youtube history, It's writing in Spanish not Mexican. Get your fact's straight because you sir FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Kelpers are not native to the islands .. the indigenous inhabitants of South American soil if .. The Malvinas are Argentine no doubt .. I wonder who will be in the imperialist countries when they can not steal the natural resources of the colonies
@dario2015 "the Kelpers are not native to the islands"
Yes, they are. The British were the FIRST to set foot on the F., and also the FIRST to survey and permanently populate the F. Ergo, the British are indigenous to the Falklands. You lose.
history teach every country that british always try to profit under other country's disgraces over century's! look to some proofs of what i say:
-Gibraltar; the cod wars against iceland; wars against ireland; the falkands; the boer wars (soth africa); the opium wars (hong kong) etc etc etc stop this shit...stop being selfish and hypocrits who spread distrust and quarrel around the world! even inside EU they hate the EU but same time want to stay inside the group... shame behaviour!
@crapatev "anglophobia"?! i don't think so... and if there's in world somo kind of"Anglophobia"thats faut of arrogant and thieve english through history, thats the reality... english are murderer even to their oun people, look to bloody sunday..what a shame! i truly love highlander honorable Scots and the Irish brothers and even Welsh! i don't have sympathy about Enlish!
@Titaniumomeega You're so stupid, it's amazing you're still living. I've had more intelligent discourse with fruit flies. If you're a typical Portuguese, Portugal is fucked.
@crapatev si vosotros argentinos quieren mucho las Islas Malvinas que tal primero devolver las provincias argentinas de Formosa y de Misiones al Paraguay?! jaja no sabes la puta historia de tu país cobarde? no vos gusta estas condiciones??al mismo tiempo han robado territorio a Chile,Paraguay y miesmo Uruguay (en el tiempo provincia que perteneció a Brasil!) Ide a tomar en vuestro puto culo, argas! Empezai a hacer mierda ya con el Beefs y luego le vos dan una breve lección similar a de 1982 ...
@crapatev your country is the one who is fucked!! every people around world hate you beacuse your thieves and muderous past! evens the good and proud Scots want to get rid of your boring arrogant nation!! Even Irish hate english... aussies want to get rid your shitty queen and parasites and to have their oun president! everybody all around europe see your country like selfish, hypocritcs and drunk clowns! XD
desde 1816 cuando declara su independencia de toda potencia extranjera La Republica Argentina es soberana y soberano son todos sus territorios del atlantico sur, esos cuatro locos que estaban en las islas en 1833 eran el gobernador su familia y una pequeña fuerza del ejercito, que fueron expulsada por ciertos piratas...(autodeterminacion de lo pueblos ? colonialismo ?)
@joslou No hay colonialismo, repito Argentina no estaba constituida como Nación, Cuales eran sus leyes, no tenía leyes nacionales, no había Constitución.
Hablás de Tokio, Tokio es la capital de Japon no se que tiene que ver, vos no conocés historia como muchos Argentinas. Con respecto a la India, Con respecto a Hong Kong es Chino, pero sus leyes son las de Gran Bretaña, su economía es manejada integramente por ingleses.
@jorge15359 En 1833 no había ciudadanos argentinos, si había subditos de la corona ingleses. Los que si estaban constituidos como Nación eran los ingleses, no los argentinos. Es completamente imposible que Inglaterra negocie nada con Argentina.
@joslou Argentina en 1833 estaba manejada por...Nadie, existían caudillos provinciales que ejercían un absoluto personalismo en las provincias y que se peleaban entre ellos o no?. Había peles entre Tucumàn y Salta, Santiago y Catamarca (escucha la zamba del Pozo de Vargas). Existian problemas entre Entre Rios y las provincias del litoral y Buenos Aires. Se había delegado la representación del exterior en el hombre fuerte de la Provincia de Buenos Aires, un represor llamado Rosas
@joslou En 1816, la Argentina declara su independencia, pero no fija límites en su territorio. La declaración de la independencia habla de las Provincias Unidas del Sud, sin precisar muy bien cuales son, pero evidentemente eran las que declararon la independencia entre las cuales se encuentran Chichas y Charcas y Mizque que hoy son de Bolivia y no estaban las provincias de la liga federal (Banda oriental de Uruguay, Santa Fe, Misiones, Entre Rios, Corrientes)
@joslou Lo que vos llamás Argentina en 1816, no era tal cosa, como es que las provincias de Mizque, Charcas, y Chichas, eran Argentinas y hoy son de Bolivia, lee historia Argentina y te vas a enterar. El Paraguay que era territorio del antiguo Virreinato, le dijo que no a la Argentina y se declarò independiente, ¿Y? y lo mismo pasa con Malvinas. A los argentinos nos metieron en la cabeza un montón de pavadas que no son ciertas
@bono284 Pero si Argentina ni constitucion tenía cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la consitucion argentina es de 1853 y Malvinas fue ocupada por los ingleses en 1833, válidamente, con el derecho internacional que regía en 1833. Y no había población Argentina, había un destacamento con 4 locos. Cuando Inglaterra tomó Malvinas Argentina no estaba constituida ni organizada como nación como país, su constitución es 20 años después
@bono284 Las resolución 502 del Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU declaró a la Argentina país agresor en 1982. Los argentinos parecen que no se dieron cuenta que perdieron una guerra con Inglaterra, una guerra que empezaron los argentinos. Mirá si yo después de ganar una guerra me voy a poner a negociar de soberanía con el derrotado, tendría que ser muy pelotudo. Todo lo que hace la Argentina es contraproducente, lo único que va a conseguir es quelos ingleses patruyen con barcos el mar argentino
@jorge15359 vas a tener que negociar toda vez que te apropies de lo que no te pertenece, tokio, taiwan, india, gibraltar, Malvinas, georgias....etc etc
@joslou negociar que? Por el tratado de Utrech España cedió a Inglaterra Gibraltar y la gente de Gibraltar pretende ser britànica no española. Cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la Argentina no estaba constituida como Nación organizada, de hecho la Constituciòn es 20 posterior, es decir cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la Argentina era un país sin ley y de acuerdo a la normas internacionales en vigencia, en 1833, eso es territorio de una Nación que si estaba organizada, Inglaterr
@joslou Cuando podas contestar la pregunta: ¿De cuando es la Contitución de la Nación Argentina? de 1853 ahí se constituye como Nación, antes no estaba constituida, habia guerras civiles, cada uno hacía lo que mejor le venía en ganas. Cuando ocuparon Malvinas los ingleses: en 1833 ¿ y entonces? ¿Que derechos aduce una Nación que no tenía derecho sobre Malvinas? Contestá cuales eran las leyes argentinas, si no había leyes
Ingleses sean objetivos!!! su subjetividad apesta!!! Cuando entiendan lo que pasó entre 1820 y 1833 en las islas seguiremos hablando. Bye!!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti bo[gbpo[fipovdsiovjiodshcxiusaiupdsuycguydscguydgfcidhidhiuvchdiuvcI-DSHVC9-DF9-DHV9HDSVIUHDCU9IVHFD9-HGYF93ERYF9-JV0=F K=0BK09FIG=90RIG=0EDUF9EWUYF9-DUYF98DUVF9-FDUV9FDUV90FDUV90UFDV90UFD9VUFD90VU90FDUV90FU.erm,ok, bye to you too.
WILLIEHUNTZ 1 day ago
the British expelled the Argentine in 1883! Having Governor and people of Argentina! who thought of them?
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti No - that's an Argentine lie. A tiny little gunboat* and it captain demanded the settlers raise the British flag. Only a *handful* of settlers left.
*This same tiny little gunboat that prevented the entire nation of Argentina from ever daring to challenge the Brits for the next 150 years. Conclusion: Argentina either don't really want the Falklands, or they're terrible cowards.
crapatev 1 week ago
@crapatev sorry, the English invasion was in 1833!!! read it on wikipedia!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti I refer the honorable gentleman to my previous answer: There was no invasion.
Write "I must question my nation's mythmaking" a thousand times.
crapatev 1 week ago
@crapatev Will always be pirates! The English poor people live in small islands, it shows you love the islands! We have land to spare! And in the future the power of a country by recussos will have! See you in a few years!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti "We have land to spare! "
So why be a crybaby over the Falklands?
crapatev 1 week ago
jajaja was irony idiot!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti what you said makes no sense a bit like your claim to the Falklands
leady73 1 week ago
@crapatev We do not believe what the government tells us, you believe it, I say this in books. You live in a lie, they put into their heads that what they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, together with the Yankees, is for freedom, but in truth for resources and to end government that does not suit you!, be more revolutionary missing your people, you do not know, you do not know anything, just what you should know them. Pirates forever!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
@donpetinatti "Pirates forever!"
Indeed. Col. Jewett - a true pirate - is a national Argentine hero.
crapatev 1 week ago
@crapatev jajajajaajaja Hero for whom? there's a difference between being colonialism and pirate When they know ... talk! Bye
donpetinatti 1 week ago
uy soy el unico Argentino opinando aca buee vuelvan todos a su casas ingleses hijos de la re mil putas re mil piratas chupapijas
pampapucara1 1 week ago
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cristianlfc7 1 week ago
If you want to talk big on you tube.. take it further, get YOUR tin hat on and stand on the frontline. mMoronic asshole on here..
MrSweatyPants 2 weeks ago
Born and raised in 60's Glasgow, My dad left for the Navy at fifteen to send home money for his family. He had to borrow a wallet from his mate down the road as he was so poor. He will not tell me of the horrors he encountered in the falklands.Once or maybe two times when he had a whiskey he discribed men screaming for their lives as they drowend. And mens brains laid in a helmet only to deny it the next day.He has retired now as a chief petty officer, I do not wish for a return of this war
MrSweatyPants 2 weeks ago
@leady73....for starters I am not Argentinian. I can understand that you are proud of what you have acomplished as a country, but I am sorry to say....they don't impress me. If I see what your country has done in latin America, I can only feel rejection.
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie never said you were from Argentina ...and i or my country don't have to impress anyone let alone you if you want to talk about who did what in Latin america why don't you ask the Spanish what thy did ? and then compare and yes my country has accomplished a lot that has benefited the whole world and yes i am proud very proud
leady73 2 weeks ago
@leady73 You're right about the Spanish, but if you lokk carefully at what the British did in latin America, it isn't a very nice historical picture either.
No problem that you're proud of your country, but that doesn't mean I have to think the way you do. So....that's the end of the discussion.
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie if you look carefully at what the belgians did in the congo etc etc
EddieExile 2 weeks ago
@EddieExile Well...you have a point, but if you insist...I'm not Belgian either, although I live in Belgium....take a look at what the UK did in Ireland and in scotland....nothing to be proud of either....sorry pal, but you don't convince me.
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@marcvancaillie
every country in the world can be criticised for past behaviour but relevant to this video is that the UK in south america cannot be compared to the spanish/argentine genocide, and it is the argentines who are pontificating about alleged British colonialism - and am not trying to convince you at all - sorry pal but you aren't that important
EddieExile 2 weeks ago
@EddieExile Well Eddie....take a look into your history books and you will learn about the genocide in Paraguay...the killing of the miners in Iquique in Chile, the pacific war between chile, Peru and Bolivia and you will learn what marvalous people are the British. And for the record...I don't consider myself as an important being, but in my opinion, the British are pure shit!
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie
Venezuela's President Chavez urged south americans to boycott celebrating the "discovery" of the Americas, stating that this was genocide and that Spain spearheaded the biggest invasion and genocide ever seen in the history of humanity and Spanish conquistadors like Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro, had massacred south america’s Indian inhabitants at a rate of roughly "one every 10 minutes.
The Brits won't be losing any sleep over the views of a knobhead bigot like you
EddieExile 2 weeks ago
@EddieExile Let it be clear Eddie...I'm not interested in whatever Mr.Chavez might think...even my answers to you are not a personal attack...you are entitled to have your vision on whatever and who the F am I to judge you for that....but I also have the right to have my opinion on the worlds history....I even don't want to spend my whole evening argueing with you....th epoint is, I don't admire your "British empire" and I don't give a shit about what you might think about that.
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie Well dont be to harsh on the British we did more than our fair share to liberate you twice. Its not like the Dutch did not have a "empire" I did not see Argentina coming to help you, in fact they supported the Nazis.
"the Americans, kicked you out at a certain point in history?" yes with your help and the French and Spanish without that they would have failed.
Brits, French,Germans, Spanish, Portugese, even the Dutch built empires.
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo No one can say that that is not true, but does this mean that we are condamned to agree with you on whatever till the end of times? And referring to Flanders Fields...that's the reflection on human stupidity in his greatest form. The point is Doctor Enzo...the interest of the Uk is not in defending the Kelpers. Oil and future asperations at Antarctica...these are your real reasons.
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie Yes flanders what a waste, but it was not the British starting this, we defended Europe while others sided with the Nazi's or helped them...or like the Argies sat on the fence.
If the Brits did not dig our heels in we would ALL be part of Germany or Russia. Some repect for the lost should be given.
Dont you think the Argies want the oil also? Or do you think they care about the indgeous penguins?
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo My only point is....the British should keep out of the South Atlantic. They are even violating international treaties.(Tratado para la Proscripción de las Armas Nucleares en América Latina y el Caribe (Tlatelolco) de 1967) South America is a nuclear arms FREE zone and you are bringing nuclear arms in there. The Argentines have every right to claim the oil. It is in their teritorial waters and I don't think they want a second BP event (Gulf of Mexico)
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie First off the British NEVER tell people where the nuke subs are. This is Argie media going mad. The fact is with a range of 18,000Km you dont need to park a sub in the back yard. But even the suggestions of the UK nuking Argentina shows their media and goverment are mental, creating hysteria.
National waters do not extend over 250 miles, so they have NO right to claim.
Cuba 62....they wanted nukes
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo The islands dont need Argentina. The dont travel to the mainland now, this is due to a breakdown of realationships due to the Argies either having
A Junta govermnet
B Goverment that kills is own
C The fact they illegally invaded the islands (more than once)
D They Argies dont want to talk (see point C)
E The Argies want to escalte this (see current media)
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo Look my friend...you have every right to think whatever you like, but so do I and I don't support the UK's claim on the Falklands. As for your sub...they captured it on photograph. In the XXIst century, there's no place for colonialism and that's really the end of the discussion for me.
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie
UN resolution 1541 states that a Non-Self-Governing Territory can be said to have reached a full measure of self-government by:
(a) Emergence as a sovereign independent State;
(b) Free association with an independent State; or
(c) Integration with an independent State.
The Falklands have chosen Option (b) ie to be a self governing Overseas Territory of the UK (and of the EU) responsible for all areas of government except foreign affairs and defence.
EddieExile 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie If you look up the dipute with the islands, really we did not STEAL these, we did not sail over kill the natives and so on...This is what many think. No we claimed the land long before the Argentinians. They dont like it and the claim is based on location...Therefore should China claim Japan and Taiwan? The USA claim Cuba...well they tired that and failed. But the natives (British) dont want Argentinian rule, just like the dutch did not want german rule.
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo If the Kelpers are so British, why don't they go to the UK to seek medical care?
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie But as we know the Brits claimed the islands first (which had NO natives), inhabited it first, and of course make up 90% of the indegeous population.
The dates and times are backed up with history, both sides agree (before even Argentina was a country). The French have a bigger claim.
They are not in within the distance the UN or any country recognise as National waters.
So really what is the Argies claim? Location.... Ask Taiwan and Cuba about this....
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo well said mate
leady73 1 week ago
@marcvancaillie bit of a distance wouldn't you say
leady73 2 weeks ago
@EddieExile One last comment Eddie....if the British were such marvalous people, tell my why your ex compatriots, the Americans, kicked you out at a certain point in history?
Sorry pal, I would like to discuss this with you over a nice pint of beer or a botlle of good whiskey, but I think you are too narrow minded to do this......
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
that's true bro...regards from the Incas empire ....PERU!!!!
abelpunk21 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie We can all take parts of history and reflect. I am sure the Dutch would like to "delete" some things it did...Like the Brits, but we are allies. look what the germans did to you in 2 wars vs the Brits over history, but whatever think what you want.
You should run down to flanders if you doubt the British, and maybe show a little more respect. We lost millions defending the Freedoms and your country, and the rest of Europe and the world, you now take for granted
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie come back when you know what your talking about old bean
leady73 2 weeks ago
@leady73 No need to insult people shithead! Get drunk or get laid!
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie you insult the human race you waist of oxygen ..o and i do both
leady73 2 weeks ago
Las Malvinas son Agentinas
ericksot13 2 weeks ago
@ericksot13 no there not the Falklands belong to the Falkland islanders we the British are protecting there right to independence against Argentinian aggression
leady73 2 weeks ago
@ericksot13 Argentina es Indio - invasores Argentinos!
crapatev 2 weeks ago
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@ericksot13 "Las Malvinas son Agentinas"
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/File:Mapa_ARGENTINA_frontera.png
Los Argentinos son mentirosos y ladrones
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@ericksot13
All I can say is Argies look up on YouTube the videos below, cos we got your number.
"Fast Show Chanel 9 News"
"The Fast Show - Macho Fantastico"
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo "Macho Fantastico" ... Argentina's version of The Sopranos
crapatev 2 weeks ago
british always stealing lands! stay in europe faggots!
777MexicanPride777 2 weeks ago
@777MexicanPride777 Go back to sleep you feckless half-breed. Seems *you're* the fags - you should've kicked the spics back to Spain but instead you let them buttfuck you.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@777MexicanPride777-How can you call British faggots and then say that they always steal land?If you mean homosexual then yes there are gay people here as in every country,but if you mean as to suggest we are weak and cowardly then you have just contradicted yourself and are a complete dickhead,by the way its LAND(singular),see we are not just land thieves but also good to educate inferior people.
fusilier45 2 weeks ago
@DanUKAUS pinchy bola de pendejos you ignorants dumbfuck mexican is not a muthafucking language you dumbshit SPANISH its a language putos perros buenos para nada a la verga con ustedes ingleses
chocolate9076 2 weeks ago
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@DanUKAUS you dumbfuck mexican is not a muthafucking language you dumbshit SPANISH its a language
chocolate9076 2 weeks ago
@DanUKAUS you dumbfuck mexican is not a muthafucking language you dumbshit SPANISH its a language
chocolate9076 2 weeks ago
K I'm a supporter of the IRA and i think the Brits should own the Falklands.
FreeUlster1 2 weeks ago
they win without the usa!!!!!!great performance ahahahahah
enry63ful 3 weeks ago
UN SEGUNDO ASALTO POR ARGENTINA Y ARGENTINA SERÁ VICTORIOSA.
03Terrestre 3 weeks ago
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PATAGONIALOOP 3 weeks ago
@PATAGONIALOOP the argies said that in 1982 - then surrendered en masse.
EddieExile 3 weeks ago
@EddieExile There is an error in a comment of my account someone wrote something about war and the Chileans, this is a mistake ... anyway, the Chileans are very different from the Argentines, sorry, wrong. 'll fix this.
PATAGONIALOOP 3 weeks ago
@PATAGONIALOOP Ok
EddieExile 2 weeks ago
"Great Britain has always been the face of imperialism and colonialism around the world,"
said the vice president of the Former Spanish colony of Argentina...
oops..
MegaPaul71 3 weeks ago
Excelente trabajo Señores de la Fuerza Aerea!! Heroes....
ferrometrico 3 weeks ago
argie pussies, how many of your baby killing troops were sent back in body bogs because you were brainwashed to think the falklands are yours. its funny to see how sad you all are
raz260696 3 weeks ago 3
My Dad Was In Royal Marines And Was In Yankie Company Two Sisters
Yartner 3 weeks ago
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/History_of_the_Falkland_Islands
The Falklands have never been Argentinian. Fact.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@crapatev the islands never been british until 1833. Before that they wer french, spanish and argentinian. Fact.
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau bullshit we discovered them in 1690, and wait for it....
the argies have never owned the falklands in the history of that shithole
raz260696 3 weeks ago
@raz260696 yeah! and you discovered the atom as well. They were discovered by spanish marines in 1500's and first setlement was french
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau well if you think your hard come and take them.
raz260696 3 weeks ago
@raz260696 argentinians are "hard" enough to take them back. They kicked your forefathers ass two times back in XIX, when Britain attempted to gain control on South america. They are just too stupid and prone to corrupt governments to organize an effective militar expedition overseas. On the other hand Britain does that pretty well
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau "Britain attempted to gain control on South america. "
Not very serious attempts. Bit like America's attack on the UK in the war of 1812 IIRC.
As for competence, no organization in the world can match Britain's MoD's politicians and technocrats for stupidity and incompetence!
crapatev 3 weeks ago 2
so you have a clon ? @raz260696?
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau no. but he is doing a good job to fuck with that little third world head of yours
raz260696 3 weeks ago
@raz260696 jajaja in your dreams
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
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raz260696 3 weeks ago
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@bassmanclau I don't need to dream, its a well known fact that the argie troops were the attackers and got what was coming to them. the argie troops, hard when shooting children, not so hard when faced with people that can shoot back
raz260696 3 weeks ago
@raz260696 hahaha you don't know anything about this war. I'm stoned to see so many ignorant brits here. Argies sent mainly conscript troops, you find that in every document of the time.
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau "Argies sent mainly conscript troops, "
Which sums up how much you value the Falklands, doesn't it? You prefer repressing your people back home with your most effective troops, rather than using them to "defend" your beloved "Malvinas".
crapatev 2 weeks ago 2
@crapatev ??? where i said that? you're an ignorant
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau Include the quoted matter to which you're referring, you ignoramus.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev I already did. Still waiting for yours, you poor ignorant
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau Sure. "???" is your idea of quoting what I said. Genius.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev yes i'm far better than you little troll
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau You lost the argument, like you lost the race to settle the Falklands, and the 1982 war. Lose A *LOT*, don't you?
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev no, you lost the argument you little troll. I put the facts you evade the facts. sorry
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau
Your flames are as lame as your Falklands arguments.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev Yeah i'm pretty sure on that... (hahaha english defeated)
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau Please quote what you're responding to. I know you'll always be wrong, but at least I'll know exactly what you're being wrong about ;-)
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev i say the same for you
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@raz260696 read some history. Spaniards were the first men sailing those islands by 1500's. Argentine got the islands from Spain
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
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@bassmanclau "Argentine got the islands from Spain"
How does that work? You automatically get the territory of your former colonial master? Shite argument: fail.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau The islands were never firmly in the control of *any* nation until 1833, but Britain had the most right - by discovery and use (sealers and whalers, along with the USA).
Read the wiki - Vernet's expeditions pre-1933 were never official Argentinian settlements; they were commercial operations, with many British officials/officers, a German leader (Vernet) and British permission.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@crapatev Firm or not, the islands were first french, then spanish and finally argentinian. There are many treaties supporting the spanish rulership on the islands. Utrecht and Tordesillas first came to mind. I recommend not to see Wikipedia as the only source of your knowledge, it has so many errors and omissions..
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau "Firm or not, the islands were first french, then spanish and finally argentinian"
Only if you completely whitewash out the British presence from its history. I've no idea where you get your history from - certainly not from reality.
crapatev 3 weeks ago 2
@crapatev I say again , you must to read real history! not only your shitty Wikipedia sources. You even ignore what Utrecht and Tordesillas means! That's what one would expect from a gringo not from a british
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau "not only your shitty Wikipedia sources. "
Which text in wiki is wrong? Show me authoritative (non-Hispanic/Spanic) sources.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@crapatev the text that says they were first landed by 1690. There was almost three spanish marines who reached the island in 1500's, a time when Britain navy was only a project under Henry VIII
bassmanclau 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau
1. Give me a reputable source of this information.
2. Spanish marines in 1500s is not Argentine settlers post-Argentine independence.
crapatev 3 weeks ago 2
@crapatev in 1820 (when the islands are uninhabited) llegaronn dela ships (at the time) Argentina Argentina confederation, since the islands are on the right sucescion,. In 1833 British ships arrived to take the islands
now tell me. if that is not taking place then tell me. What is it?
source: wikipedia (I remind you that not everyone can edit wikipedia. you need a thing called literature)
legoultracreator 3 weeks ago
@legoultracreator
Wiki:
"On 20/5/1776 British forces formally left Port Egmont, leaving a plaque asserting Britain's continuing sovereignty over the islands
Vernet took settlers and sought permission from the British. After receiving consent, Vernet agreed to provide regular reports to the British and requested British protection.
Argentina claims that the population of the islands was expelled in 1833; however, sources from the time suggest that the colonists were encouraged to remain"
EddieExile 3 weeks ago
@legoultracreator
1. Is there an English source for ?1820 Argentine landings (sorry, don't speak Spanish)?
2. Wikipedia is not a British propaganda site, so you cannot dismiss it.
3. What is the Spanish/Argentine invasion/occupation of (your part of) South America, if not theft (with much violence against Amerindians)?
crapatev 3 weeks ago 2
@legoultracreator Just checked; I hope you're not claiming Jewetts' adentures as the Argentine settlement of the Falklands. He actually *was* a pirate - guilty of two clear acts of piracy and not remotely a credible argument for Argentine ownership.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@bassmanclau Well, you have important news for the world! Apparently the Treaty of Utrecht stipulates that the Holy Roman Empire (i.e. Germany) owns Sardinia, Milan and Naples, among other things. Do they know this? Advance, Leopard IIs!
Hint: the morality of modern-day disputes are not decided by 300 year old treaties between warring empires. Talk about "scraping the barrel" ...
crapatev 2 weeks ago 2
@crapatev " I've no idea where you get your history from" That happens when your shitty governments try to hide real history from you. You must to read about "Islario" of Alonso de Santa Cruz, to begin first. Then you may be interested in Diego de Ribero's chart. There are at least a dozen more. Read
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau You should follow your own advice: don't just read propaganda that supports your position. As for "shitty governments" - The UK is an important first-world country. Argentina is not. Jeez.
crapatev 2 weeks ago 2
@crapatev The history of the Uk is one of stealing resources that didn't belong to them....turning pirates into knights.....opressing people (Ireland)......you should read "las venas abiertas de America latina" and then we'll see if you're still so proud of your Great Britain!
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
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@marcvancaillie "The history of the Uk is one of stealing resources that didn't belong to them....turning pirates into knights.....opressing people (Ireland)"
All empires/powers do bad things, including the UK in its empire days; who didn't?
"you should read "las venas abiertas de America latina" and then we'll see if you're still so proud of your Great Britain!"
1. Who said I was "so proud" of GB?
2. Re "open veins" - GB didn't colonize Latin America: Spain and Portugal did!
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie France Germany Spain Netherlands Portugal Italy Russia o and the list goes on thees are all country's that that had there own chunk of empire in one way or another even the USA against the native Americans fact is almost every country has a past thy are not proud of even yours Argentina invaded the Falklands so what does that make them ? as for being proud to come from Great Britain YES we have contributed more to the modern world through inventions than any other we are the U.K
leady73 2 weeks ago
@marcvancaillie-Pirates stole from people who had already stolen it,such as stealing from Spanish fleets who had stolen it from the people they raped and murdered in South America,what a great example that was you complete twat.Yeah I am sure many have read that book and are still proud to say "WE ARE THE BEST"face it what other countries have "GREAT" before its original name.HAHAHA love it
fusilier45 2 weeks ago
aha the British controlled the Falkland Islands before Argentina was even a country, plus the inhabitants are British so its not going to happen really is it
KillTheRSGame 3 weeks ago 4
@KillTheRSGame France and Spain were the owner far before brits. Then Spain took the islands to Argentina. You are just thieves
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau You are racist thieves and murderers, stealing vast lands from the Indians.
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@crapatev name the indians
bassmanclau 2 weeks ago
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@bassmanclau "name the indians"
The names of First Nation peoples you killed and land-robbed (instead of settling the Falklands before the British) include the Diaguita, Kolla, Toba, Guarani, Mapuche, Wichi, Mocovi and Huarpe. There are dozens more.
en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Argentina
crapatev 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau The indians are Mapuche!
marcvancaillie 2 weeks ago
@bassmanclau The inhabitants want the Islands to stay British, so thieves for protecting their own citizens? i think not
KillTheRSGame 1 week ago
@KillTheRSGame they are not thieves and brits are there because they have stronger military than Argentina.
bassmanclau 1 week ago
@bassmanclau No your wrong, Britain are there because the majority of the population want to be British, and the islands have always been British. Even if the British had a weaker military than Argentina, other countries would help the British.
KillTheRSGame 1 week ago
@KillTheRSGame no your are wrong british took the island by force
bassmanclau 1 week ago
@bassmanclau "british took the island by force"
Argentina took its territory by force.
Why is it that Argentine settlers get to keep their land, but not British settlers? Seems racist double standards at work.
crapatev 1 week ago
you need to read any history book or just wikipedia and read it! Greetings from Argentina!
donpetinatti 1 week ago
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@donpetinatti "you need to read any history book or just wikipedia and read it! Greetings from Argentina!"
I have! That's why I know Argentina doesn't own the Falklands. Greetings from yoo kay.
crapatev 1 week ago
@KillTheRSGame no it belong to nither! this islands belong to native americans eurpoeans go back to europe period!
777MexicanPride777 2 weeks ago
where is the rest of the video??
mcwurth 3 weeks ago
@DanUKAUS What in write in "Mexican"? I'm really sorry but you are the biggest dumbass on youtube history, It's writing in Spanish not Mexican. Get your fact's straight because you sir FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XSuperTortugaX 3 weeks ago
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MALVINAS ( Falklands ) IS TERRITORY LATINAMERICAN. VIVA LATINAMERICA VIVA ARGENTINA.-
ridjemont 4 weeks ago
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Hello Yankee, we go to the back I hope you're prepared. Greetings from Argentina, back ... the Malvinas are Argentine.
trucoargentino 4 weeks ago
the Kelpers are not native to the islands .. the indigenous inhabitants of South American soil if .. The Malvinas are Argentine no doubt .. I wonder who will be in the imperialist countries when they can not steal the natural resources of the colonies
dario2015 4 weeks ago
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@dario2015 "the Kelpers are not native to the islands"
Yes, they are. The British were the FIRST to set foot on the F., and also the FIRST to survey and permanently populate the F. Ergo, the British are indigenous to the Falklands. You lose.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
history teach every country that british always try to profit under other country's disgraces over century's! look to some proofs of what i say:
-Gibraltar; the cod wars against iceland; wars against ireland; the falkands; the boer wars (soth africa); the opium wars (hong kong) etc etc etc stop this shit...stop being selfish and hypocrits who spread distrust and quarrel around the world! even inside EU they hate the EU but same time want to stay inside the group... shame behaviour!
Titaniumomeega 1 month ago
@Titaniumomeega
Anglophobia (noun) A hatred or fear of England or anything English; also applies loosely to Britain.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@crapatev "anglophobia"?! i don't think so... and if there's in world somo kind of"Anglophobia"thats faut of arrogant and thieve english through history, thats the reality... english are murderer even to their oun people, look to bloody sunday..what a shame! i truly love highlander honorable Scots and the Irish brothers and even Welsh! i don't have sympathy about Enlish!
Titaniumomeega 3 weeks ago
@Titaniumomeega You're so stupid, it's amazing you're still living. I've had more intelligent discourse with fruit flies. If you're a typical Portuguese, Portugal is fucked.
crapatev 3 weeks ago 2
@crapatev si vosotros argentinos quieren mucho las Islas Malvinas que tal primero devolver las provincias argentinas de Formosa y de Misiones al Paraguay?! jaja no sabes la puta historia de tu país cobarde? no vos gusta estas condiciones??al mismo tiempo han robado territorio a Chile,Paraguay y miesmo Uruguay (en el tiempo provincia que perteneció a Brasil!) Ide a tomar en vuestro puto culo, argas! Empezai a hacer mierda ya con el Beefs y luego le vos dan una breve lección similar a de 1982 ...
Titaniumomeega 3 weeks ago
@crapatev your country is the one who is fucked!! every people around world hate you beacuse your thieves and muderous past! evens the good and proud Scots want to get rid of your boring arrogant nation!! Even Irish hate english... aussies want to get rid your shitty queen and parasites and to have their oun president! everybody all around europe see your country like selfish, hypocritcs and drunk clowns! XD
Titaniumomeega 3 weeks ago
@Titaniumomeega {rolls eyes} ... the usual incoherent drivel and shit, but I do like the "drunk clowns" bit.
crapatev 3 weeks ago
@Titaniumomeega You watch too many movies fuckwit.
Highlander Scot! When I can pick myself off the floor I might try to formulate a reply. Until then I must suffer.
RashidDostum 3 weeks ago
@RashidDostum shut up fucking pirate!! ¬¬
Titaniumomeega 3 weeks ago
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crapatev 3 weeks ago
desde 1816 cuando declara su independencia de toda potencia extranjera La Republica Argentina es soberana y soberano son todos sus territorios del atlantico sur, esos cuatro locos que estaban en las islas en 1833 eran el gobernador su familia y una pequeña fuerza del ejercito, que fueron expulsada por ciertos piratas...(autodeterminacion de lo pueblos ? colonialismo ?)
joslou 1 month ago
@joslou No hay colonialismo, repito Argentina no estaba constituida como Nación, Cuales eran sus leyes, no tenía leyes nacionales, no había Constitución.
Hablás de Tokio, Tokio es la capital de Japon no se que tiene que ver, vos no conocés historia como muchos Argentinas. Con respecto a la India, Con respecto a Hong Kong es Chino, pero sus leyes son las de Gran Bretaña, su economía es manejada integramente por ingleses.
jorge15359 1 month ago
@jorge15359 En 1833 no había ciudadanos argentinos, si había subditos de la corona ingleses. Los que si estaban constituidos como Nación eran los ingleses, no los argentinos. Es completamente imposible que Inglaterra negocie nada con Argentina.
jorge15359 1 month ago
@joslou Argentina en 1833 estaba manejada por...Nadie, existían caudillos provinciales que ejercían un absoluto personalismo en las provincias y que se peleaban entre ellos o no?. Había peles entre Tucumàn y Salta, Santiago y Catamarca (escucha la zamba del Pozo de Vargas). Existian problemas entre Entre Rios y las provincias del litoral y Buenos Aires. Se había delegado la representación del exterior en el hombre fuerte de la Provincia de Buenos Aires, un represor llamado Rosas
jorge15359 1 month ago
@joslou En 1816, la Argentina declara su independencia, pero no fija límites en su territorio. La declaración de la independencia habla de las Provincias Unidas del Sud, sin precisar muy bien cuales son, pero evidentemente eran las que declararon la independencia entre las cuales se encuentran Chichas y Charcas y Mizque que hoy son de Bolivia y no estaban las provincias de la liga federal (Banda oriental de Uruguay, Santa Fe, Misiones, Entre Rios, Corrientes)
jorge15359 1 month ago
@joslou Lo que vos llamás Argentina en 1816, no era tal cosa, como es que las provincias de Mizque, Charcas, y Chichas, eran Argentinas y hoy son de Bolivia, lee historia Argentina y te vas a enterar. El Paraguay que era territorio del antiguo Virreinato, le dijo que no a la Argentina y se declarò independiente, ¿Y? y lo mismo pasa con Malvinas. A los argentinos nos metieron en la cabeza un montón de pavadas que no son ciertas
jorge15359 1 month ago
Mini D Day. Argentina lost. Get over it.
javelin1010 1 month ago
and the resolutions of fhe ONU???? ahhh yes ... you dont care the onu.... what a democratic woild
bono284 1 month ago
@bono284 Pero si Argentina ni constitucion tenía cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la consitucion argentina es de 1853 y Malvinas fue ocupada por los ingleses en 1833, válidamente, con el derecho internacional que regía en 1833. Y no había población Argentina, había un destacamento con 4 locos. Cuando Inglaterra tomó Malvinas Argentina no estaba constituida ni organizada como nación como país, su constitución es 20 años después
jorge15359 1 month ago
@bono284 Las resolución 502 del Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU declaró a la Argentina país agresor en 1982. Los argentinos parecen que no se dieron cuenta que perdieron una guerra con Inglaterra, una guerra que empezaron los argentinos. Mirá si yo después de ganar una guerra me voy a poner a negociar de soberanía con el derrotado, tendría que ser muy pelotudo. Todo lo que hace la Argentina es contraproducente, lo único que va a conseguir es quelos ingleses patruyen con barcos el mar argentino
jorge15359 1 month ago
@jorge15359 vas a tener que negociar toda vez que te apropies de lo que no te pertenece, tokio, taiwan, india, gibraltar, Malvinas, georgias....etc etc
joslou 1 month ago
@joslou negociar que? Por el tratado de Utrech España cedió a Inglaterra Gibraltar y la gente de Gibraltar pretende ser britànica no española. Cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la Argentina no estaba constituida como Nación organizada, de hecho la Constituciòn es 20 posterior, es decir cuando los ingleses ocuparon Malvinas la Argentina era un país sin ley y de acuerdo a la normas internacionales en vigencia, en 1833, eso es territorio de una Nación que si estaba organizada, Inglaterr
jorge15359 1 month ago
@joslou Cuando podas contestar la pregunta: ¿De cuando es la Contitución de la Nación Argentina? de 1853 ahí se constituye como Nación, antes no estaba constituida, habia guerras civiles, cada uno hacía lo que mejor le venía en ganas. Cuando ocuparon Malvinas los ingleses: en 1833 ¿ y entonces? ¿Que derechos aduce una Nación que no tenía derecho sobre Malvinas? Contestá cuales eran las leyes argentinas, si no había leyes
jorge15359 1 month ago
their will not be conflict. argentine does not have it in them. wont be no help from usa again.
jason69332 1 month ago 2
@jason69332 Ofcourse there would be help from usa... One of the closest ally of UK
MultiNaxx 1 month ago
@MultiNaxx Obama present support for the Argentine request to the UN
Frankutter 1 month ago
@Frankutter Well thanks mate for correcting me. New president,new allies,new USA :D
Well back in the old days......
MultiNaxx 1 month ago
@MultiNaxx Yes its True. New president, new allies.
Frankutter 1 month ago
@Frankutter hace lo logico, no apoya a nadie.
joslou 1 month ago
English should be confined to their island-cage with all the serpents in it.
MomentOFtruth666 1 month ago