You might be forgetting something in your search for a cause before the first effect; you get infinite regression. What caused the first cause? And what caused that? And so on. Ultimately there can be only one answer: something happened without a cause. You can't fall back to a god, because the existence of a god needs a cause too; gods are a red herring. But thankfully, we do have good *scientific* evidence of creating something from nothing: the Casimir effect and Hawking radiation.
Thinking is great, but if you're gonna think about stuff, you better read up on it first. See, in this particular example, you had the wrong idea of what the big bang and vacuum and time are. In short - the vacuum is something rather than nothing. Spacetime is something, and our universe includes space and time in addition to all the matter and energy. To ask what came before time or what is outside of space is both meaningless - I hope you can see why.
I think the Golden ratio is a scientific explanation for Creationism. And for those who believe in the Big Bang, go outside and find two rocks. Take as long as you want, smash the two rocks together as often as you like and come back and let me know what you end up "CREATING". Life? A Universe? Now, take away the two rocks and create life or a universe with nothing. Yep. Thought so. CREATION WINS! :))
space and time didn't exist. No laws such as "something can't be created from nothing" existed before the big bang. so anything was possible since there was no laws of physics. also the big bang theory is deeper than that. its also not an almighty speck
@Cainkane1 No if the big bang was real they wouldn't call it a "Theory" plus in my opinion God isn't about "evidence" it's about faith. which a lot of people seem to loooooooseee soooo easily after they have a hard time.
@1775edde Guess again. All scientific ideas are called theories. This is whether they are proven or not. The theory of gravity is a good example of this. The big bang theory has evidence whereas creationism has nothing scientific to back it up at all. Nada. Hopefully you don't think the theres evidence for the talking snake.
@Cainkane1 As i said believing in God is Faith something you don't have. If you want to keep on believing that we are made out of some hydrogen and carbon atoms compressed by gravity then that's totally "normal".
@1775edde If you truly believe something like that then why would you need faith to believe it? The concept of a god is just an idea embedded in our culture. It started as a middle-eastern war god used by tribes in the desert to justify killing each other and stealing cattle. All religions can be easily traced back to nonsensical mythology. The universe is here because a lot of extremely complicated physics took place, and it gradually developed and became more and more complex. Reality. Period.
@1775edde and you think everything that has been created is by your so called "faith", sorry, i not that big into the "big band theory" but your "faith" and what you're justifying for your faith is absolutly bullshit.
did he say meow to the kid lol? Anyway, i agree with what he said, but i think people should just drop it and not get offended. If stuck-up atheists would just stop shoving their beliefs in others faces, if the smartest brains in the world would focus on fighting cancer and aids, and if defensive religious people would stop freaking out about what scientists say, the world would be a much better place to live in. Just let people lead their own lives and focus on being a good person & having fun.
@solarbirdman It's easy for you to say, but we atheists see religion/theism for what it really is. It is poison to humanity, theists are slowing us down on so many fields that it is impossible to stay calm. Look up some debates with Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins - you'll know what I'm vomiting about.
McKenna seemed to think the Big Bang Theory was laughable too. He described it as Science saying, give us one free miracle and we'll take it from here.
This guy is trying to rationalize the Big Bang using over simplified logic. If he had been riding is cycle in the 1300's he would have rationalized, along with everyone else, that there was no way the earth could possibly orbit the sun. What an idiot.
I thought the big bang was going to be you getting knocked off you scooter... oh well disappointed... lol... you start with the premise in the beginning there must have been nothing,,, why? maybe like so many humans you can't get your head round infinity... there is no proof there is a God... you believe what you want. and why do you offer to kick a dog in the head and want to fight a boy who must be all of 10 years old... you bully...
the problem with our minds is that we have limited thinkings.. we can't imagine something infinite... so if we said god created everything we will ask: "who created god?" and if we ask the matter is forever, it just changed form and always have been there, then we will ask: "what created matter?"
When we accept that there can be something forever without be created then we will accept the science theory or creationism.
You actually can get something from nothing. It happens all the time. In fact its happening inside of you and around you bilions of times each second. They're called virtual particles. Due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle for very small increments in time there are significant uncertainties in energy that express themselves as particle-antiparticle pairs. These particles exist very briefly and then annihilate into each other releasing energy.
@brianpv1 According to the Standard Model, these virtual particles are what "carry" the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force.
The usual problem of any philosophical argument involving 'eternity' is whether 'time' is real or our way to describe the phenomenon in physics as objects are translated in space...
think of it this way...the universe has no beginning or end. If it had a beginnning, that would imply something before that. If it had an end, that would imply something beyond that. Astronomers can't even figure out whats going on 10 light years from here let alone 15 billion light years.
Hahaha I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and you basically summed up my thoughts on the subject. I'll have to start recording my thoughts when I ride now:) Keep safe man!
The problem I have with this one is that M13 reffers to it as the beginning om time.. Theres no such thing as time, time is a man made bookmark over a coarse of events.. Hence, the beginning of time is what, 2200 years ago? =)
lets say there is a god (not that i believe that)... i dont even believe in the big bang theory... that kinda stuff doesnt really bother me.. BUT lets say there is a god ... where did he come from? Where did these "external forces" come from? If you go back far enough there had to have been "nothing" but you cant quantify nothing... Mind Boggling.. Love the videos btw mordeth
well you have to think about the fact that there is no time or passing if time we can'r measure time or movement or existence matter anything, unless we have a reference point... but "everything" iow can we latch onto that one point is always "moving" so how can we latch onto that "time" and "spot" that we need to actually go and figure it out. we can't. because it can't exist. think about that :P
M13's a down-to-earth kinda man. He's represents the best moral values that a human could have. He's a religious person. But when it comes to the cosmic truth... All there is is science. M13 I recommend these books, to debunk your religious side: "God is not great. How religion spoils everything" by Christopher Hitchens; "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Other than that, what you said was kinda right. But don't be so harsh on science - it is the best the human kind can currently do.
"There had to be nothing at one point or another." Thats the biggest flaw in his thinking. Even in creationism, there always had to at least be a god. Love the videos though, I wish I could talk shit to people that I knew didnt understand me.
we dont understand anything about the universe, we are like fish floating around in a big pond with no clue as to what is outside it, maybe one day we will learn to leave the pond but I think we will all kill ourselves first. Im going to be honest here, I dont think we are important enough to have a god. We mean nothing to the universe and we would not be missed at all if we blinked out of existance.
We can prove that the shiny bright lights in the sky aren't Gods at all but stars. Same thing goes for us now. Perhaps in the distant future people will look back in go, "Why the hell would anyone believe that there was nothingness when we know that the universe is just a loop of constant construction and deconstruction of itself?"
In time and see how things were zillions of years ago. But I would wager there was never a "true" beginning, but that over time the energies for matter had spread out from a particular origin. Granted though in reference to the whole topic, if someone can't find the facts of something they don't understand, they would rather reason it out to be some outlandish thing. Like the beginning civilizations of man believing that stars, were Gods. Now a days we laugh at the idea. But it's because...
Who is to say that there was nothing at some point? There could have always been something. Like suns just collapse swallow their universes, then start over. Sort of like a pregnant woman and a full fridge. Impending death has always forced people to want to believe in something more or something after their life is discontinued. The facts are facts because they can be proven over and over without change or perhaps that is law, can't remember. But the fact is no one is able to travel...
What qualifies as 'Nothing' before everything? Big Bang Theory is more of a Chronology of 'the physical states of Time/Space and Matter/Energy and forces and effects. As far as 'First Cause' is concerned... there needs to be a better model for the sub atomic model of Matter and Energy... and there needs to be more accurate mapping of the General Universe. This is in the operating sphere of Science, New Theories come in when better data is acquired.
I don't know why people always talk about the big bang when they think about atheist genesis theories.
I'm atheist (technically agnostic but scientifically agnostic. I don't believe in the Christian god at all for example) and I don't really care at all if the big bang is right or wrong. all I know is that I've seen enough proof (and lack of supporting evidence) that I can say that I think creationism as defined by the bible is retarded.
Scientists and Christians aren't mutually exclusive btw, there are plenty of scientists that are Christians and believe the big bang is indeed the BEST explanation we have so far. Unlike religion, science advances and we learn more and more about reality... (sorry for all this, but I couldn't help but try to set you straight, even though it probably won't make a difference...)
But anyways, other than this video; good work and keep up the great videos!
I like your videos which is why im subscribed to you, most of what you say in other videos are right on the money...but this one is just full ignorance, guess this is yet another example of how religion can turn a perfectly rational guy around and make him think and say stupid things...I mean come on, you really think that the big bang theory is dumb and then you turn around and believe in god based on pure faith in an "evil" book that says a talking snake is why we were sent to earth to suffer?
I disagree mordeth, first you're assuming that in the beginning there HAD to be nothing...how do you know that there was nothing, how do you know there was a beginning? like you said, something can't come from nothing, so it makes more sense for there to have ALWAYS been SOMETHING.
The big bang theory pretty much just tries to explain why our universe is slowly drifting apart because from the looks of it, it seems like everything in it started from the same spot and then exploded outward...
I'm christian. The bigbang theory is what they teach it in american science classes but try mentioning god and they will crucify you. More and more the world strays from religion. It's funny, the agony people express when the light is shown upon them.
It's impossible for the human mind to comprehend the thought of there being no time, in other words, we can't understand eternity. God has always been there, from the very beginning of time and before then. God created time.
@betheboredom If your eternal you need no desire for time and if you did you wouldn't be eternal cause desire is something you want and don't have at the moment which requires time therefore time always existed and his not eternal. It's more of your idea of what 5D being would think like.
His explanation works out, but WHY DOES THE UNIVERSE HAVE TO START FROM NOTHING? the eternal speck could have been flying around since the beginning of time.
The way I look at it is you can choose to believe everything as we know it came out of nowhere or something all powerful beyond anything as we know it came out of nowhere. I just choose to believe that either way something came from nothing and now theres something worth more than nothing.
both the big bang theory and creatonism have a lot of holes. That is why I choose to be an agnostic. There is a lot that both science nor religion can explain, so I keep an open mind.
I do not wish to belittle or offend you or your beliefs, but I must say that just because we don't understand something, does make make it supernatural. Here is the options
God created the universe - i.e a supernatural occurence which breaks the phsical laws
We don't know how/why/if/or what created the universe - Open for debate
The fact is that even if you say there is a God outside of time and space, how does this being effect pysical matter?
There are some great books on this subject. Sadly, it appears 13mordeth has read none of them. I won't bore you with suggestions, but I would suggest you browse through your local bookstore so you can at least articulate your thoughts a bit better.
the Big bang Theory don't clam nothing came out of nothing. But I do think you need for study more about the Big bang theory. But really what you are saying is because we don't understand it now It must be a god. Just like people back then who thought the Sun was a God.
Your explenation makes me think like this ..but if there was nothing for how long did that exists? and did it ever get created? WERE IS THE FUCKNIG BEGINING?! but then i think mebbe it got created then it all ws nothing but that doesnt make any sense xD since there is nothing and for how long did that nothing exists? i believe life is nothing but a simulation and they forgot to put in a few things
ok, i completely understand evolution...creationists misunderstand evolution. evolution explains the process of life. evolution does not involve random chance and accident.
however, mordeth makes the point of sayng that something cant come out of nothing which is a very strange thought. god also cannot come out of nothing therefore.
religion is all wrong, the science is the best explanation, although it doesnt explain existence yet.
the big bang explains how the univers came to be as we know it toady. the big bang was the mass ecpasnion. what was before that is still up for debate.the god thorie doesn't really explain it eider as if a god made the univers what made the god and then what made that? more than likly gods are not real. sicence hasn't worked it all out yet and they will never say they have.
@conrad4ever There is no god theory. A theory is built on observational facts, and is at some level testable. God is an assertion, invented by a scared proto-human who didn't understand much of anything about anything.
@seethebright well the god asumption then, what ever it is its a lot of bull shit. as I said before I don't think any gods or magic beings could have made this universe. this universe is built on rules and these rules such as gravity and relitivety can not be broken. if a beign where to be able to break them as holy books state they can (such as when jesus walks on water) then the universe would not be able to function. so yea I totaly agree with you.
Mordy, you rock, but I have to say that you don't fully understand the Big Bang... or what it's trying to explain. And science doesn't claim to have an answer for what happenned before that.
that makes no sense to me why you think the beginning HAS TO BE empty of everything. its this whole western thought that has brain washed you into thinking that "in the beginning there was nothing"
who says? if you tell yourself, 'dude its just logical to think that way' then that just tells me youre still narrow-minded.
ever think, what if there wasn't a beginning? hard to grasp huh? but if you think hard enough, it might open up your head a little...
well looking at the comments on this one , all im saying its that i dont really care what m13 said, fair speech, ,EVERONE has there beliefs lol kool video
The universe was probably made by God to show how powerless humans are compared to his almighty greatness. Humans keep trying to uncover the mystery, yet more questions than answers come up.
honestly, the god that you believe in sounds like a selfish bastard. "oooh look im the all powerful god, im gonna make this huge motherfuckin badass universe to show how meager and powerless these lifeforms really are!!! im such a badass!!!"
if this god of yours is a human, hey, its cool, weve all got ego-problems here and there, but if you actually worship this guy, i'd seriously reconsider the idea of god.
@crapatitus What? God is real. I'm hoping you don't beleive we were created through evoloution and the Big bang theory. how could mere chance and accident, initiate such intricate, complex, sophisticated process of life, with perfect order in function and structure of the cell?
@zatch688 I believe in evolution. Not only that, I choose to see it as the rational thing. There is nothing wrong with your faith; it's just that at some point, you should consider keeping what you believe in separate from what is rational. Religion works wonderfully for many biologists you know. You ought to give it a try.
Oh, btw, to consider ourselves as intricate, complex, and sophisticated is your own opinion. I really don't see ourselves as that special in the grand scheme of things, IMO
@crapatitus I disagree. There is something very wrong with zatch's faith. Faith is what flew the planes into the WTC. Faith is what persecuted the Jews. Faith is what put Galileo in prison. Faith is what started Gulf War II. The list goes on. What good has faith done, ever?
I agree the human mind cannot be entirely trusted. That is, it may make seemingly rational conclusions, when in actuality it is a very subjective conclusion, or just plain wrong. On matters outside our comprehension I do not make absolute statements.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
That's the entire explanation that Creationists offer for the origin of the universe....and then they have the nerve to laugh at scientific theories as incomplete, or without evidence, or ridiculous.
eh... define what "beginning" is. then define what "god" is. define "created" and then define "heavens and the earth"
in the bible, none of these are solidly defined. so they can be metaphors for all sorts of things. of course most christians probably believe that their own actual god brought to being everything that is in existence in a particular order (genesis 1 or 2, but not both lol), and that, is highly.... silly. but not everyone interprets the bible literally.
You can't have something appear in empty space? That might be true... but space itself could pop up where there is no space, right?
I mean, there is some evidence that the Big Bang was the start of time itself, meaning that there is no such thing as 'before' the Big Bang. It's like asking what's east of the south pole... it's a singularity.
Like relativity, the Big Bang theory is silly... but evidently true!
u had some gd points there but the big bang did happen cos there's proof and it's called the red shift, wikipedia it cos it's crazy interesting if you have no life like me. but I think the best analagy or explanation for the big bang is 'in the begining there was nothing, then it exploded'. just one of lifes great mysteries I guess.
Mordeth, you are a little wrong in saying the scientists are wrong in this, most scientists take it as a theory to how our Universe started as you were saying, but even this has been under test since it was orginally thought of in 1912, so its a fairly old theory. The difference between the scientists and religion is that science states it as a theory and tests it while religion states God as the truth and will not examine any further.
lol, the end was so great, you must have so much fun all the time speaking english to people who don't understand it. also i agree with you on this topic, the explanation scientists give is such a joke, and they're supposed to be so intelligent, yet there is nothing behind their theories. i saw this movie maybe a few months ago that was a documentary on this same subject, i believe it is called "expelled", ben stein is in it, it was a good movie and funny at times.
You argue with the science, and your argument is dissent? There is nothing behind your argument either. I am in no way saying you, or the science, is wrong... The fact that there is no way that something could appear from nothing is the exact reason why science has found its way to this subject. Without a different point of view, how are we expected to find a real answer? If there is no other side then what reason do we have to believe something is false?
I didn't even make an argument on the subject. All i said was that scientists' explanation is a joke, seriously, do you even know what the big bang theory is? Watch the movie "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed", it features some of the worlds most renown scientists of today for exactly who they are, complete psychotic, ignorant, pathetic, disgusting and evil morons. Before you watch it, set aside your opinion on the subject and you'll see. The movie doesn't hide or deceive anything.
It is a search for Truth. Do you want to put faith in theories of men or do you want to put faith in the Bible. A book with hundreds of prophecies that have proven true. 333 about Jesus Christ written in many different scrolls by different authors and spanning a time of around 4000 years. 2400 years ago predicted israel would become a nation. Happened in 1948. To not take into account a book that has been so accurate for so long is simply stupid.
your theory is flawed any comment left open for interpertation isnt an acurate portrail of truth ..the bible and prophecies arent percific and have no particular effect until someone saids that is similar to what i read or someone said ..to put it simply to state when somthing will happen for example: losangels will fall into the ocean in 2015 would set a prescerdent of time thus if the event happen it would be crediable ..saying israel would come a state is well probable not truth..sorry
Nothing left open, the books of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Isaiah all speak of israel becoming a nation again before the return of Messiah... Israel became a nation again in 1948. The only nation in recorded history to ever cease to exist and then return. Israel became a nation... it happened... fact... not just probable... it actually happend, consult a modern globe and a modern history book. Or watch the news, lol, israel is in it every day.
The only problem is that we know so little about the universe and our mind can't comprehend what's outside the universe, 'cause it has its boundaries too. The question is: what exists outside the universe? Or when it's unfinite, what does that mean? The human answer to this is: "Can't compute". We are too dumb.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." (24 h).
The theory is that big bangs make atleast one universe occur. What would make one universe not occur? Everything that we know of doesn't have the capacity to make universes not occur, but there is a chance that at some point in this free for all time continuum our universe, or other universes might meet such a force. I'd say it's likely that if such a force did exist, any universe would be forgiven of its sins and sent straight to universe heaven.
Hey man, im interested in this kinda stuff - im pretty sure that your not that sure on What the big bang theory is. In a nutshell its 2 extremely small atoms which collided - thats what made the explosion, we were so lucky to even exist, it was like a 1:1000000 chance that we have been created! Aswell u got skype? love the vids mate - especially the 'One crazy swinger one' and 'The dogs in morning yawning' - didnt know exact names so made them up, but thats the ones i like anyways ^^ Thanks
Because everything has come from somewhere - there must be something before what there is now. Somehow everything was formed, it can't have always been since everything has to be set in motion
Something couldn't have always been there. That's just a flawed way of looking at things. You can't have something already moving. Something has to give it a push to start it rolling.
My personal opinion, is that existence isn't true. Nothing REALLY exists, we're just kind of, souls. Non-real matter.
There can't be a higher power, and there couldn't have been something from nothing.
Congratulations. In case you haven't noticed, there is no solid proof of the big bang. Hence why it's a THEORY. And a "God" hasn't been proven, either.
The better question isn't to have me point out a flaw, it's to have you come up with a way that something could exist, randomly. You realize that it takes particles to make mass. Where did the particles come from? Nowhere? THAT doesn't make sense.
Newton's law doesn't refer to the beginning of time. In space. Where there's no gravity. -_-
There is no proof in science, only in mathematics. There is however solid evidence for the big bang theory such as cosmic background radiation, red-shift effect and the evidence for the theory of general relativity of which the big bang theory is a prediction. Besides the big bang theory doesn't have anything to do with the origin of the universe. It merely describes HOW it began.
i love when they say stupid shit like there is no proof for this or that scientific theory. this just shows that they don't know what a scientific theory must go through to even be called a scientific theory.gravity is a theory as the big bang is a theory and evolution is a theory. a theory is the observation of the evidence that gives us a model to work off. this leads to science to be able to predict how things will act i.e. planets. if the prediction are right then the theory is validated.
How it began is what "origin" means. Saying it describes how it began, but not dealing with it's origin is dumb.
There is proof in science, hence why it's used to debunk thousands of things a day. Math has nothing to do with it, at all. You don't even give direct responses, you just pussyfoot your way around the argument.
Particles don't just EXIST. Something CREATES something. It's impossible to create things from nothing.
If you can, then maybe I'll believe in creationism, just maybe. Lmao.
"Saying it describes how it began, but not dealing with it's origin is dumb."
The big bang theory describes what happened in the early universe. It does not describe why the universe is there and what caused it to exist if anything at all. The big bang theory only says that at the beginning spacetime expanded.
"There is proof in science" There is no absolute proof in science. Any serious philosopher of science would agree. I suggest you read some literature on the topic.
Please give me a single observed example where this has been the case. Infact we know that it is impossible due to the law of conservation of energy which can be proven mathematicly.
"We know that it is impossible due to the law of conservation of energy which can be proven mathematically. 'it's impossible to create things from nothing.'
I love how you disprove evolution in one paragraph. Thank you. :D
not quite. there is no way the big bang could have created something as complex and sophisticated as the human body. there must be a purpose. something must have put us here. everything is built so perfectly that there is no way something as simple as an explosion could have put this all together.
Not right away no.. the explosion just 'caused locations that could support living cells. You gotta understand though that what we are today has been in the making for 3.5 billion years. It's almost impossible to grasp how much time that is.
"would you like a kick in the head? cuz dats wat your about to get" lmao dude i was literally crying from laughing so hard my dad came in and said wats wrong with me lmao
Or God was always existent. The thing that most people have a hard time accepting (understandably, as it is pretty far out) is that while the material that the universe is weaved from is not eternal (and logically can't be, for reasons I'll explain if you want), something greater than matter (i.e. God) could be eternal, and have the power to create the tiny speck. idk, just something to think about.
From not to being able to prove something or know something, and then too believe in a book written by random people 2000 years ago - Thats well...... ARGH, I cant put a word to it.. :S Its just not logic ...
You might be forgetting something in your search for a cause before the first effect; you get infinite regression. What caused the first cause? And what caused that? And so on. Ultimately there can be only one answer: something happened without a cause. You can't fall back to a god, because the existence of a god needs a cause too; gods are a red herring. But thankfully, we do have good *scientific* evidence of creating something from nothing: the Casimir effect and Hawking radiation.
barrkel 1 week ago
do one about aliens....
bank0fengland 1 month ago
Thinking is great, but if you're gonna think about stuff, you better read up on it first. See, in this particular example, you had the wrong idea of what the big bang and vacuum and time are. In short - the vacuum is something rather than nothing. Spacetime is something, and our universe includes space and time in addition to all the matter and energy. To ask what came before time or what is outside of space is both meaningless - I hope you can see why.
silveryt2 5 months ago
The Big Bang Theory would be better described as Big Bang Creationism
orrerystar 5 months ago
I think the Golden ratio is a scientific explanation for Creationism. And for those who believe in the Big Bang, go outside and find two rocks. Take as long as you want, smash the two rocks together as often as you like and come back and let me know what you end up "CREATING". Life? A Universe? Now, take away the two rocks and create life or a universe with nothing. Yep. Thought so. CREATION WINS! :))
Onlymanolos 7 months ago
space and time didn't exist. No laws such as "something can't be created from nothing" existed before the big bang. so anything was possible since there was no laws of physics. also the big bang theory is deeper than that. its also not an almighty speck
qvnsq101 7 months ago
Geez people... he isn't a prophet... (a RELIGIOUS prophet anyways) He is just expressing his perspectives and insights on the subject.
puppetmaster983 7 months ago
Creationism versus big bangh theory? Big bang theory has evidence creationism does not. Big bang wins.
Cainkane1 7 months ago
@Cainkane1 No if the big bang was real they wouldn't call it a "Theory" plus in my opinion God isn't about "evidence" it's about faith. which a lot of people seem to loooooooseee soooo easily after they have a hard time.
1775edde 7 months ago
@1775edde Guess again. All scientific ideas are called theories. This is whether they are proven or not. The theory of gravity is a good example of this. The big bang theory has evidence whereas creationism has nothing scientific to back it up at all. Nada. Hopefully you don't think the theres evidence for the talking snake.
Cainkane1 7 months ago
@Cainkane1 As i said believing in God is Faith something you don't have. If you want to keep on believing that we are made out of some hydrogen and carbon atoms compressed by gravity then that's totally "normal".
1775edde 7 months ago
@1775edde If you truly believe something like that then why would you need faith to believe it? The concept of a god is just an idea embedded in our culture. It started as a middle-eastern war god used by tribes in the desert to justify killing each other and stealing cattle. All religions can be easily traced back to nonsensical mythology. The universe is here because a lot of extremely complicated physics took place, and it gradually developed and became more and more complex. Reality. Period.
Oddity1991 4 months ago
@1775edde and you think everything that has been created is by your so called "faith", sorry, i not that big into the "big band theory" but your "faith" and what you're justifying for your faith is absolutly bullshit.
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lol "would you like a kick in the head, cause thats what your about to get"
MrHoho41 7 months ago
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MrHoho41 7 months ago
did he say meow to the kid lol? Anyway, i agree with what he said, but i think people should just drop it and not get offended. If stuck-up atheists would just stop shoving their beliefs in others faces, if the smartest brains in the world would focus on fighting cancer and aids, and if defensive religious people would stop freaking out about what scientists say, the world would be a much better place to live in. Just let people lead their own lives and focus on being a good person & having fun.
solarbirdman 8 months ago
@solarbirdman It's easy for you to say, but we atheists see religion/theism for what it really is. It is poison to humanity, theists are slowing us down on so many fields that it is impossible to stay calm. Look up some debates with Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins - you'll know what I'm vomiting about.
xomiakas 8 months ago
McKenna seemed to think the Big Bang Theory was laughable too. He described it as Science saying, give us one free miracle and we'll take it from here.
Freshtymer 8 months ago
Look into Terence McKenna's Time Wave Zero Theory. It's sort of like a reverse Big Bang. Super fascinating.
Freshtymer 8 months ago
This guy is trying to rationalize the Big Bang using over simplified logic. If he had been riding is cycle in the 1300's he would have rationalized, along with everyone else, that there was no way the earth could possibly orbit the sun. What an idiot.
eddyquick 8 months ago
mordeth, I like you better when you rant about stuff you do know about.
olexandr 10 months ago
I thought the big bang was going to be you getting knocked off you scooter... oh well disappointed... lol... you start with the premise in the beginning there must have been nothing,,, why? maybe like so many humans you can't get your head round infinity... there is no proof there is a God... you believe what you want. and why do you offer to kick a dog in the head and want to fight a boy who must be all of 10 years old... you bully...
BAZELITZ 10 months ago
m13 would be cooler and smarter if he'd dropped the christianity and creationism thing.
xomiakas 10 months ago
Sorry M13, but quantum mechanics disprove your arguement here. And Science is the study of how reality functions.
You should've beat that kid's ass though. I'm pretty sure he understood you XD
geragna 10 months ago
the problem with our minds is that we have limited thinkings.. we can't imagine something infinite... so if we said god created everything we will ask: "who created god?" and if we ask the matter is forever, it just changed form and always have been there, then we will ask: "what created matter?"
When we accept that there can be something forever without be created then we will accept the science theory or creationism.
I myself believe in science because can be proven
ChaomPR 10 months ago
something appearing from nothing is not impossible. look into quantum physics - there you will find something appearing out of nothing.
thetimothyjr2155 11 months ago 3
You actually can get something from nothing. It happens all the time. In fact its happening inside of you and around you bilions of times each second. They're called virtual particles. Due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle for very small increments in time there are significant uncertainties in energy that express themselves as particle-antiparticle pairs. These particles exist very briefly and then annihilate into each other releasing energy.
brianpv1 11 months ago
@brianpv1 According to the Standard Model, these virtual particles are what "carry" the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force.
brianpv1 11 months ago
The usual problem of any philosophical argument involving 'eternity' is whether 'time' is real or our way to describe the phenomenon in physics as objects are translated in space...
weidesvideo 1 year ago
wheres the alien water video?
Hackno 1 year ago
think of it this way...the universe has no beginning or end. If it had a beginnning, that would imply something before that. If it had an end, that would imply something beyond that. Astronomers can't even figure out whats going on 10 light years from here let alone 15 billion light years.
genogeno1234 1 year ago
Hahaha I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and you basically summed up my thoughts on the subject. I'll have to start recording my thoughts when I ride now:) Keep safe man!
spankeyssnakehut 1 year ago
"the eternal speck" i could make a movie named that
Klayperson 1 year ago
God is Love - Love is Eternal..
SvenCharlie 1 year ago
The problem I have with this one is that M13 reffers to it as the beginning om time.. Theres no such thing as time, time is a man made bookmark over a coarse of events.. Hence, the beginning of time is what, 2200 years ago? =)
Deathneticify 1 year ago
There are false assumptions and poor analogy literally saturating this video. Among the most blatent:
"At some point, there HAD to be nothing...". False.
"Because there had to be nothing, and something existed, God must exist." Only a moron would come to such a conclusion.
"Nothing just 'pops' into existence in a vacuum." Scientifically proven false.
"The Big Band Theory doesn't describe the beginning of the Universe." It certainly does if you define the Universe as the one we are in.
etherealstill 1 year ago
lets say there is a god (not that i believe that)... i dont even believe in the big bang theory... that kinda stuff doesnt really bother me.. BUT lets say there is a god ... where did he come from? Where did these "external forces" come from? If you go back far enough there had to have been "nothing" but you cant quantify nothing... Mind Boggling.. Love the videos btw mordeth
styXv3ngeance 1 year ago
well you have to think about the fact that there is no time or passing if time we can'r measure time or movement or existence matter anything, unless we have a reference point... but "everything" iow can we latch onto that one point is always "moving" so how can we latch onto that "time" and "spot" that we need to actually go and figure it out. we can't. because it can't exist. think about that :P
theULTIMATEanswer42 1 year ago
M13's a down-to-earth kinda man. He's represents the best moral values that a human could have. He's a religious person. But when it comes to the cosmic truth... All there is is science. M13 I recommend these books, to debunk your religious side: "God is not great. How religion spoils everything" by Christopher Hitchens; "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Other than that, what you said was kinda right. But don't be so harsh on science - it is the best the human kind can currently do.
xomiakas 1 year ago
TBBT IS the stupidest thing to me too.
narutard45671 1 year ago
You need some astrophysics classes.
RealMihaiQC 1 year ago
"There had to be nothing at one point or another." Thats the biggest flaw in his thinking. Even in creationism, there always had to at least be a god. Love the videos though, I wish I could talk shit to people that I knew didnt understand me.
Labtec01245 1 year ago
we dont understand anything about the universe, we are like fish floating around in a big pond with no clue as to what is outside it, maybe one day we will learn to leave the pond but I think we will all kill ourselves first. Im going to be honest here, I dont think we are important enough to have a god. We mean nothing to the universe and we would not be missed at all if we blinked out of existance.
andysim232 1 year ago
We can prove that the shiny bright lights in the sky aren't Gods at all but stars. Same thing goes for us now. Perhaps in the distant future people will look back in go, "Why the hell would anyone believe that there was nothingness when we know that the universe is just a loop of constant construction and deconstruction of itself?"
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
In time and see how things were zillions of years ago. But I would wager there was never a "true" beginning, but that over time the energies for matter had spread out from a particular origin. Granted though in reference to the whole topic, if someone can't find the facts of something they don't understand, they would rather reason it out to be some outlandish thing. Like the beginning civilizations of man believing that stars, were Gods. Now a days we laugh at the idea. But it's because...
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
Who is to say that there was nothing at some point? There could have always been something. Like suns just collapse swallow their universes, then start over. Sort of like a pregnant woman and a full fridge. Impending death has always forced people to want to believe in something more or something after their life is discontinued. The facts are facts because they can be proven over and over without change or perhaps that is law, can't remember. But the fact is no one is able to travel...
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
What qualifies as 'Nothing' before everything? Big Bang Theory is more of a Chronology of 'the physical states of Time/Space and Matter/Energy and forces and effects. As far as 'First Cause' is concerned... there needs to be a better model for the sub atomic model of Matter and Energy... and there needs to be more accurate mapping of the General Universe. This is in the operating sphere of Science, New Theories come in when better data is acquired.
granddad2002 1 year ago
I don't know why people always talk about the big bang when they think about atheist genesis theories.
I'm atheist (technically agnostic but scientifically agnostic. I don't believe in the Christian god at all for example) and I don't really care at all if the big bang is right or wrong. all I know is that I've seen enough proof (and lack of supporting evidence) that I can say that I think creationism as defined by the bible is retarded.
fallenangei 1 year ago
well, given a state of nothingness, there can't be laws of physics like conservation of matter that would make anything impossible
turbulosus 1 year ago
Scientists and Christians aren't mutually exclusive btw, there are plenty of scientists that are Christians and believe the big bang is indeed the BEST explanation we have so far. Unlike religion, science advances and we learn more and more about reality... (sorry for all this, but I couldn't help but try to set you straight, even though it probably won't make a difference...)
But anyways, other than this video; good work and keep up the great videos!
smokinfishe 1 year ago
I like your videos which is why im subscribed to you, most of what you say in other videos are right on the money...but this one is just full ignorance, guess this is yet another example of how religion can turn a perfectly rational guy around and make him think and say stupid things...I mean come on, you really think that the big bang theory is dumb and then you turn around and believe in god based on pure faith in an "evil" book that says a talking snake is why we were sent to earth to suffer?
smokinfishe 1 year ago
I disagree mordeth, first you're assuming that in the beginning there HAD to be nothing...how do you know that there was nothing, how do you know there was a beginning? like you said, something can't come from nothing, so it makes more sense for there to have ALWAYS been SOMETHING.
The big bang theory pretty much just tries to explain why our universe is slowly drifting apart because from the looks of it, it seems like everything in it started from the same spot and then exploded outward...
smokinfishe 1 year ago
If God created the universe then who created God?
AllanJDM 1 year ago
@cephalatroph didi u know that theirs a new scientific theory that disproves the big bang...
HoboLifeDrew 1 year ago
@HoboLifeDrew Did you know that comment makes you look embarrassingly ignorant.
nextgenvids 1 year ago
but...god already exhisted...so he created the rest...including time
HoboLifeDrew 1 year ago
@HoboLifeDrew but what created god. i dont see mummy god and daddy god hahah lol
ATeam125 1 year ago
I'm christian. The bigbang theory is what they teach it in american science classes but try mentioning god and they will crucify you. More and more the world strays from religion. It's funny, the agony people express when the light is shown upon them.
Cephalatroph 1 year ago
It's impossible for the human mind to comprehend the thought of there being no time, in other words, we can't understand eternity. God has always been there, from the very beginning of time and before then. God created time.
betheboredom 1 year ago
@betheboredom If your eternal you need no desire for time and if you did you wouldn't be eternal cause desire is something you want and don't have at the moment which requires time therefore time always existed and his not eternal. It's more of your idea of what 5D being would think like.
nextgenvids 1 year ago
His explanation works out, but WHY DOES THE UNIVERSE HAVE TO START FROM NOTHING? the eternal speck could have been flying around since the beginning of time.
ztephen 1 year ago
The way I look at it is you can choose to believe everything as we know it came out of nowhere or something all powerful beyond anything as we know it came out of nowhere. I just choose to believe that either way something came from nothing and now theres something worth more than nothing.
Helpharis 1 year ago
JEEEEESUUUUSSS MADE THE EARF!
DEblaze1 1 year ago
ever thought about this?
the universe has always been there.
that's sth we humans can't imagine because we're so bound to our imagination of time... and that's what i like about this theory :)
BeyondOrwell 1 year ago
both the big bang theory and creatonism have a lot of holes. That is why I choose to be an agnostic. There is a lot that both science nor religion can explain, so I keep an open mind.
teliosteroide 1 year ago
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teliosteroide 1 year ago
I do not wish to belittle or offend you or your beliefs, but I must say that just because we don't understand something, does make make it supernatural. Here is the options
God created the universe - i.e a supernatural occurence which breaks the phsical laws
We don't know how/why/if/or what created the universe - Open for debate
The fact is that even if you say there is a God outside of time and space, how does this being effect pysical matter?
FOOFlGHTERS 1 year ago
There are some great books on this subject. Sadly, it appears 13mordeth has read none of them. I won't bore you with suggestions, but I would suggest you browse through your local bookstore so you can at least articulate your thoughts a bit better.
seethebright 1 year ago
something came out of nothing* typo
LittoMoonLight 1 year ago
the Big bang Theory don't clam nothing came out of nothing. But I do think you need for study more about the Big bang theory. But really what you are saying is because we don't understand it now It must be a god. Just like people back then who thought the Sun was a God.
LittoMoonLight 1 year ago
Your explenation makes me think like this ..but if there was nothing for how long did that exists? and did it ever get created? WERE IS THE FUCKNIG BEGINING?! but then i think mebbe it got created then it all ws nothing but that doesnt make any sense xD since there is nothing and for how long did that nothing exists? i believe life is nothing but a simulation and they forgot to put in a few things
eatbeavers 1 year ago
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HipHopcheerleader 1 year ago
Well said, Mordeth. Well said.
Dan7885 1 year ago
ok, i completely understand evolution...creationists misunderstand evolution. evolution explains the process of life. evolution does not involve random chance and accident.
however, mordeth makes the point of sayng that something cant come out of nothing which is a very strange thought. god also cannot come out of nothing therefore.
religion is all wrong, the science is the best explanation, although it doesnt explain existence yet.
robin22391 1 year ago
the big bang explains how the univers came to be as we know it toady. the big bang was the mass ecpasnion. what was before that is still up for debate.the god thorie doesn't really explain it eider as if a god made the univers what made the god and then what made that? more than likly gods are not real. sicence hasn't worked it all out yet and they will never say they have.
conrad4ever 1 year ago
@conrad4ever There is no god theory. A theory is built on observational facts, and is at some level testable. God is an assertion, invented by a scared proto-human who didn't understand much of anything about anything.
seethebright 1 year ago
@seethebright well the god asumption then, what ever it is its a lot of bull shit. as I said before I don't think any gods or magic beings could have made this universe. this universe is built on rules and these rules such as gravity and relitivety can not be broken. if a beign where to be able to break them as holy books state they can (such as when jesus walks on water) then the universe would not be able to function. so yea I totaly agree with you.
conrad4ever 1 year ago
Mordy, you rock, but I have to say that you don't fully understand the Big Bang... or what it's trying to explain. And science doesn't claim to have an answer for what happenned before that.
amazonhippie 1 year ago
why does the beginning have to be empty?
that makes no sense to me why you think the beginning HAS TO BE empty of everything. its this whole western thought that has brain washed you into thinking that "in the beginning there was nothing"
who says? if you tell yourself, 'dude its just logical to think that way' then that just tells me youre still narrow-minded.
ever think, what if there wasn't a beginning? hard to grasp huh? but if you think hard enough, it might open up your head a little...
crapatitus 1 year ago
@crapatitus
Ka is a wheel.
----The Gunslinger
seethebright 1 year ago
well looking at the comments on this one , all im saying its that i dont really care what m13 said, fair speech, ,EVERONE has there beliefs lol kool video
Martinnc30 1 year ago
sorry I like you m13 but your understanding of science is, not to put it too harshly...crap
sk8bamsk8 2 years ago
The universe was probably made by God to show how powerless humans are compared to his almighty greatness. Humans keep trying to uncover the mystery, yet more questions than answers come up.
zoolanderhansel 2 years ago
honestly, the god that you believe in sounds like a selfish bastard. "oooh look im the all powerful god, im gonna make this huge motherfuckin badass universe to show how meager and powerless these lifeforms really are!!! im such a badass!!!"
if this god of yours is a human, hey, its cool, weve all got ego-problems here and there, but if you actually worship this guy, i'd seriously reconsider the idea of god.
crapatitus 1 year ago
@crapatitus What? God is real. I'm hoping you don't beleive we were created through evoloution and the Big bang theory. how could mere chance and accident, initiate such intricate, complex, sophisticated process of life, with perfect order in function and structure of the cell?
zatch688 1 year ago
@zatch688 I believe in evolution. Not only that, I choose to see it as the rational thing. There is nothing wrong with your faith; it's just that at some point, you should consider keeping what you believe in separate from what is rational. Religion works wonderfully for many biologists you know. You ought to give it a try.
Oh, btw, to consider ourselves as intricate, complex, and sophisticated is your own opinion. I really don't see ourselves as that special in the grand scheme of things, IMO
crapatitus 1 year ago
@crapatitus Well stated.
seethebright 1 year ago
@crapatitus I disagree. There is something very wrong with zatch's faith. Faith is what flew the planes into the WTC. Faith is what persecuted the Jews. Faith is what put Galileo in prison. Faith is what started Gulf War II. The list goes on. What good has faith done, ever?
seethebright 1 year ago
It doesn't really matter because even if there was a big bang then maybe it was because God wanted there to be a big bang. Ta da everyone's happy
skullrock1313 2 years ago
There is no beginning or end. Its just a contruction of mind. Death? Just a construction.
tjeerdgibson 2 years ago
@tjeerdgibson
I agree the human mind cannot be entirely trusted. That is, it may make seemingly rational conclusions, when in actuality it is a very subjective conclusion, or just plain wrong. On matters outside our comprehension I do not make absolute statements.
LeadOnWiseMan 2 years ago
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
That's the entire explanation that Creationists offer for the origin of the universe....and then they have the nerve to laugh at scientific theories as incomplete, or without evidence, or ridiculous.
CaneFu 2 years ago
eh... define what "beginning" is. then define what "god" is. define "created" and then define "heavens and the earth"
in the bible, none of these are solidly defined. so they can be metaphors for all sorts of things. of course most christians probably believe that their own actual god brought to being everything that is in existence in a particular order (genesis 1 or 2, but not both lol), and that, is highly.... silly. but not everyone interprets the bible literally.
crapatitus 1 year ago
@crapatitus
If you want to get that vague to dance around my post then you might as well stoop to asking one to define what "is" is - very Clinton-esque.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu hey dumbass, did you even read past my first paragraph? i was agreeing with you lol
crapatitus 1 year ago
@crapatitus
My bad, I didn't read closely - I'm a dumbass.
CaneFu 1 year ago
In the beginning, there had to have been nothing?
What makes you think that?
You can't have something appear in empty space? That might be true... but space itself could pop up where there is no space, right?
I mean, there is some evidence that the Big Bang was the start of time itself, meaning that there is no such thing as 'before' the Big Bang. It's like asking what's east of the south pole... it's a singularity.
Like relativity, the Big Bang theory is silly... but evidently true!
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
@FiverBeyond It's all in theory
Homestar20845 2 years ago
so u believe in a god? i thought u were more clever than that...
ratfaty 2 years ago
dont judge him cause you dont think the same.
That on it self is not very clever
powerplantnl 2 years ago
well, i really like m13 but that explanation was just bullshit, so excuse me for saying my opinion...
ratfaty 2 years ago 23
@ratfaty
And God said, "let there be light!"
BANG!
Malarkey31 1 year ago
u had some gd points there but the big bang did happen cos there's proof and it's called the red shift, wikipedia it cos it's crazy interesting if you have no life like me. but I think the best analagy or explanation for the big bang is 'in the begining there was nothing, then it exploded'. just one of lifes great mysteries I guess.
28daveslater 2 years ago
Mordeth, you are a little wrong in saying the scientists are wrong in this, most scientists take it as a theory to how our Universe started as you were saying, but even this has been under test since it was orginally thought of in 1912, so its a fairly old theory. The difference between the scientists and religion is that science states it as a theory and tests it while religion states God as the truth and will not examine any further.
multished 2 years ago
what if: At some point there a was some kind of rip into another dimention and our universe just sucked alot of attoms from that other dimention.
geganobo 2 years ago
lol, the end was so great, you must have so much fun all the time speaking english to people who don't understand it. also i agree with you on this topic, the explanation scientists give is such a joke, and they're supposed to be so intelligent, yet there is nothing behind their theories. i saw this movie maybe a few months ago that was a documentary on this same subject, i believe it is called "expelled", ben stein is in it, it was a good movie and funny at times.
jrb752 2 years ago
You argue with the science, and your argument is dissent? There is nothing behind your argument either. I am in no way saying you, or the science, is wrong... The fact that there is no way that something could appear from nothing is the exact reason why science has found its way to this subject. Without a different point of view, how are we expected to find a real answer? If there is no other side then what reason do we have to believe something is false?
MSharma27 2 years ago
I didn't even make an argument on the subject. All i said was that scientists' explanation is a joke, seriously, do you even know what the big bang theory is? Watch the movie "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed", it features some of the worlds most renown scientists of today for exactly who they are, complete psychotic, ignorant, pathetic, disgusting and evil morons. Before you watch it, set aside your opinion on the subject and you'll see. The movie doesn't hide or deceive anything.
jrb752 2 years ago
haha! you wanna fight.. jk.. he doesnt understand what im saying. haha. funny as hell
mrwhiteout1 2 years ago 24
theres even particles in a vacuum if you read alittle about quantum physichs.
megaplayah 2 years ago
It is a search for Truth. Do you want to put faith in theories of men or do you want to put faith in the Bible. A book with hundreds of prophecies that have proven true. 333 about Jesus Christ written in many different scrolls by different authors and spanning a time of around 4000 years. 2400 years ago predicted israel would become a nation. Happened in 1948. To not take into account a book that has been so accurate for so long is simply stupid.
josiahdocscurlock 2 years ago
your theory is flawed any comment left open for interpertation isnt an acurate portrail of truth ..the bible and prophecies arent percific and have no particular effect until someone saids that is similar to what i read or someone said ..to put it simply to state when somthing will happen for example: losangels will fall into the ocean in 2015 would set a prescerdent of time thus if the event happen it would be crediable ..saying israel would come a state is well probable not truth..sorry
DemonCovenant 2 years ago
"comment left open for interpretation"
Nothing left open, the books of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Isaiah all speak of israel becoming a nation again before the return of Messiah... Israel became a nation again in 1948. The only nation in recorded history to ever cease to exist and then return. Israel became a nation... it happened... fact... not just probable... it actually happend, consult a modern globe and a modern history book. Or watch the news, lol, israel is in it every day.
josiahdocscurlock 2 years ago
you said nothing-nuss so were the fuck did god come from?
igotmoreballs11 2 years ago
viva a la almighty everlasting .."speck"
darknessahead520 2 years ago
you wanna fight?! lmao....best line ever
AxeManAnt 2 years ago
Something is more stable than nothing, entropy, planck times and lengths etc. God not neccessary.
lukeeeh92 2 years ago
so the spec was speculating on the one hand clapping and the universe was created after it farted sounds good to me rock on
67kneil 2 years ago
The question isn't how time started, because it never started, and will never end.
loadsofire 2 years ago
Read some UP-TO-DATE info on cosmology...;-)
bersa888 2 years ago
I think there's always an outside force.
The only problem is that we know so little about the universe and our mind can't comprehend what's outside the universe, 'cause it has its boundaries too. The question is: what exists outside the universe? Or when it's unfinite, what does that mean? The human answer to this is: "Can't compute". We are too dumb.
7Kris181 2 years ago 2
good points, your explination is starting to change my oppinion
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
would you like a kick in the head? That's what you're about to get... ahahahah 2:22
Fidelis94 2 years ago
Wasn't it proven that elements will suddenly appear in a created vacuum?
aussiephil85 2 years ago
lol the mighty spec. "would you like a kick in the head?" x) made me giggle.
Suicida1Poptart92 2 years ago
spec is god
jonok69 2 years ago
God exploded? D:
runedermilot 2 years ago 2
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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." (24 h).
rachmaninovpc3dminor 2 years ago
what is nothing?
dopey41 2 years ago
The theory is that big bangs make atleast one universe occur. What would make one universe not occur? Everything that we know of doesn't have the capacity to make universes not occur, but there is a chance that at some point in this free for all time continuum our universe, or other universes might meet such a force. I'd say it's likely that if such a force did exist, any universe would be forgiven of its sins and sent straight to universe heaven.
soundmined 2 years ago
that went way past me man.....
Chriskawi34 2 years ago
Only the bible says that there started with nothing.
chunkylover48 2 years ago
its like what came first the chicken of the egg ?
martinlowe123 2 years ago
"The big bang theory is one of the dumbest-ass..." ROTFLOL!!!
KyuzoTsukasa 2 years ago
christians who believe creationism are a minority among the christian community.
sbmillionair 2 years ago
Hey man, im interested in this kinda stuff - im pretty sure that your not that sure on What the big bang theory is. In a nutshell its 2 extremely small atoms which collided - thats what made the explosion, we were so lucky to even exist, it was like a 1:1000000 chance that we have been created! Aswell u got skype? love the vids mate - especially the 'One crazy swinger one' and 'The dogs in morning yawning' - didnt know exact names so made them up, but thats the ones i like anyways ^^ Thanks
WoWHobs101 2 years ago
So... Tell me, who gives a damn whether it was one speck or two?
KyuzoTsukasa 2 years ago
have you ever wondered adout space and how it never ends
poesebastian 2 years ago
"in the beginning there had to be nothing"
Why?
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago 2
Because everything has come from somewhere - there must be something before what there is now. Somehow everything was formed, it can't have always been since everything has to be set in motion
The19Jake93 2 years ago
"Because everything has come from somewhere"
Unless it was always there. (always meaning since the beginning of time)
"there must be something before what there is now"
The reason for this being...?
"it can't have always been since everything has to be set in motion"
Unless it was initially in motion... only change in velocity requires a force. If the velocity was there initially there needs to be no force.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
Something couldn't have always been there. That's just a flawed way of looking at things. You can't have something already moving. Something has to give it a push to start it rolling.
My personal opinion, is that existence isn't true. Nothing REALLY exists, we're just kind of, souls. Non-real matter.
There can't be a higher power, and there couldn't have been something from nothing.
Existence just doesn't make sense.
ShuraHaidate 2 years ago
"Something couldn't have always been there. That's just a flawed way of looking at things."
Is it just a flawed way of thinking because you disagree? If not please point out the flaw.
"You can't have something already moving"
Why not?
"Something has to give it a push to start it rolling."
If you had any idea about simply newtonian physics you would know how horribly wrong this statement is.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
"My personal opinion"
Your opinion is meaningless in the face of evidence.
"Existence just doesn't make sense."
Why? How so?
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
Congratulations. In case you haven't noticed, there is no solid proof of the big bang. Hence why it's a THEORY. And a "God" hasn't been proven, either.
The better question isn't to have me point out a flaw, it's to have you come up with a way that something could exist, randomly. You realize that it takes particles to make mass. Where did the particles come from? Nowhere? THAT doesn't make sense.
Newton's law doesn't refer to the beginning of time. In space. Where there's no gravity. -_-
ShuraHaidate 2 years ago
"there is no solid proof of the big bang"
There is no proof in science, only in mathematics. There is however solid evidence for the big bang theory such as cosmic background radiation, red-shift effect and the evidence for the theory of general relativity of which the big bang theory is a prediction. Besides the big bang theory doesn't have anything to do with the origin of the universe. It merely describes HOW it began.
"Where did the particles come from?"
They were always there.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
i love when they say stupid shit like there is no proof for this or that scientific theory. this just shows that they don't know what a scientific theory must go through to even be called a scientific theory.gravity is a theory as the big bang is a theory and evolution is a theory. a theory is the observation of the evidence that gives us a model to work off. this leads to science to be able to predict how things will act i.e. planets. if the prediction are right then the theory is validated.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
How it began is what "origin" means. Saying it describes how it began, but not dealing with it's origin is dumb.
There is proof in science, hence why it's used to debunk thousands of things a day. Math has nothing to do with it, at all. You don't even give direct responses, you just pussyfoot your way around the argument.
Particles don't just EXIST. Something CREATES something. It's impossible to create things from nothing.
If you can, then maybe I'll believe in creationism, just maybe. Lmao.
ShuraHaidate 2 years ago
"Saying it describes how it began, but not dealing with it's origin is dumb."
The big bang theory describes what happened in the early universe. It does not describe why the universe is there and what caused it to exist if anything at all. The big bang theory only says that at the beginning spacetime expanded.
"There is proof in science" There is no absolute proof in science. Any serious philosopher of science would agree. I suggest you read some literature on the topic.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
"Particles don't just EXIST."
Why not?
"Something CREATES something."
Please give me a single observed example where this has been the case. Infact we know that it is impossible due to the law of conservation of energy which can be proven mathematicly.
"It's impossible to create things from nothing."
True, yet creationists believe exactly that.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
"We know that it is impossible due to the law of conservation of energy which can be proven mathematically. 'it's impossible to create things from nothing.'
I love how you disprove evolution in one paragraph. Thank you. :D
balvear 2 years ago
The law of conservation of energy doesn't have anything to do with biodiversity. So how can I have disproven evolution?
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
"In case you haven't noticed, there is no solid proof of the big bang"
There is no proof in science. However there is solid evidence for the big bang theory such as red-shift effects and cosmic background radiation.
"Where did the particles come from?"
I said before. They were always there.
AgnosticAntitheist 2 years ago
I thought red shift proved there was a big bang ?
jakethepeg1066 2 years ago
not quite. there is no way the big bang could have created something as complex and sophisticated as the human body. there must be a purpose. something must have put us here. everything is built so perfectly that there is no way something as simple as an explosion could have put this all together.
Thei9Ways 2 years ago
yes your correct but each theory contradicts itself so it will remain a mystery for now lol
jakethepeg1066 2 years ago
Not right away no.. the explosion just 'caused locations that could support living cells. You gotta understand though that what we are today has been in the making for 3.5 billion years. It's almost impossible to grasp how much time that is.
runedermilot 2 years ago
And so the something that must have put us here... where did it come from?
5688bd713 2 years ago
space , dummy
megaplayah 2 years ago
Wow, good answer. Very complex and well thought out if I do say so myself.
5688bd713 2 years ago
well, i do read my metaphysics.
megaplayah 2 years ago
LMAO, "You wanna fight? You're lookin at my kinda tough" hahahaha
powera86 2 years ago 4
"would you like a kick in the head? cuz dats wat your about to get" lmao dude i was literally crying from laughing so hard my dad came in and said wats wrong with me lmao
rEcKLesSzzz 2 years ago 3
so there was nothing and then God appeared?
gregrutz 2 years ago
Or God was always existent. The thing that most people have a hard time accepting (understandably, as it is pretty far out) is that while the material that the universe is weaved from is not eternal (and logically can't be, for reasons I'll explain if you want), something greater than matter (i.e. God) could be eternal, and have the power to create the tiny speck. idk, just something to think about.
byeaddison 2 years ago
From not to being able to prove something or know something, and then too believe in a book written by random people 2000 years ago - Thats well...... ARGH, I cant put a word to it.. :S Its just not logic ...
B1aDK 2 years ago 2
It's hard for the human mind to fathom, but why does there need to have been a beginning? Why can't the universe just ALWAYS have existed?
Or, why can't a god have created the big bang?
Tylith 2 years ago