3D Pentagon strike recreation

[DucknCoverin]

I was at The Pentagon with DMORT cleaning up this horrible mess. There was indeed 757 wreckage at the site. A plane did in fact hit The Pentagon. It wasn't a magic missile, storm troopers, santa claus with C4, or Bill Cosby in a government UFO. It is what it is. My eyes didn't lie to me. I guess now someones going to say "they" put the wreckage there. Go ahead...makes you even more deluded.

[moviemary]

Has anyone thought to find the guy driving the car? Seems to me he probably had an excellent view of whatever flew into the building

[sickflow93]

it was the russians

[mkdelta69]

How stupid can people be?

JFK talked about secrecy secret societies and conspiracy within government that he was going to do away with.

Great reason for assasination

Obama opened the government recinded Heir Bushs secret conspiracy gag order.

Conspirators try to hide in the sewers along with the minds of the idiots ignorant of history.

Simply crying about conspiracy theories is moronic.

[FLT111]

well .. 4 planes where hijacked that day NO CONSPERESY THEORY!

[bilracer]

First this idiot points out the SMOKE trail as being the plane second how could he know that litte blob he pointed out was a police car. Give me a break.

[conotoxin]

More bullshit from the "truthers"

Get lives morons.

[getsick20]

you ever heard of depth. the police car in that video is closer to the camera then the plane therefore it would give the illusion that they were in fact the same height. which they are not

[nouc]

but it doesn t explains why FBI didn t show another video, with much better frame rate ..

we want to know about complete truth !

[nouc]

it is not honest

plane 's trajectory is 45 degres from the front of pentagon .

so the size doesn t looks like been the reality of the plane 's nose .

[oxomaticman]

Why does this guy keep comparing car length and size to the smoke trail coming off the airliner?

[slimjim006]

You would think by now enough intelligent people would have figured this out.Those planes were real and they crashed.Exactly how this was done is unknown.And we may never know because most of you fell right into the trap.911 is a conspiracy and they used most of you to distract and steer away from this fact.911 TRUTHERS ARE A JOKE NOW BECAUSE OF THESE SILLY UNFOUNDED IDEAS.

[ghk13287]

Hundreds of people saw a plane. But, I'm sure they were all paid off. Many pics of plane debris, and ZERO pics of missle debris. But, I'm sure all of that was planted. Truthers babble about being skeptical, but they NEVER question their core believe that 9-11 was an 'inside job' while screaming that the rest of us have to question & disbelieve ANY 'official' version of anything.

[IamtheLordofDoom]

What you see is just the front part of the fuselage forward of the wings, not the whole 757 obviously. The image quality is too poor to make out clear edges... Basically you guys are just saying it's a missile because that's what you want to believe. Never mind the huge fire, aircraft parts, black box recovered and the nature of the damage to three rings of the pentagon building.

[betatalk357]

whether or not this will prove the fact that the pentagon was hit by a missile remains to be seen. But, I DO find it VERY INTERESTING that this video and the "Loose Change" documentary are at least going to some great lengths trying to prove a point or illustrate some variabled inconsistencies with a hint of reasonable science to it. EVER NOTICE THAT ANY DOCUMENTARY DISPROVING THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ONLY HAVE 9/11 RE-ENACTMENTS AND NOT ANY ILLUSTRATIONS PROVING THEIR POINT???

[oxomaticman]

Probably because you're not looking hard enough.

[bs2137]

So what hit the pentagon, a missile??? Where did the missle come from? This is a bunch of bullshit being feed to society. Think for yourself, not left wing dingbats!

[BTUaplenty]

No left wing and no right wing either. And..no tail, no engines. ...no plane period.

[bs2137]

you really hate this country, don't you!!! You really want to believe our government is that corrupt. You want anarcy in the US, don't you!?!?! Go hug a tree or something and get off the drugs!

[A2ZNP1971K]

No tail, no engines, no plane? LOL! Keep right on believing those CT nuts. They don't know a damn thing and as is evident in this video, they have to fabricate evidence to prove their theories.

[A2ZNP1971K]

Little do you seem to be aware, but those same CT nuts used official photos that very clearly showed debris from a large aircraft. They were using those photos, along with their complete lack of knowledge, to incorrectly identify those parts and insist that they MUST have come from a much smaller aircraft.

[Synthetrix]

This is the biggest pile of stinking pseudo-scientific crap I have ever seen.

[MUNKSTAR]

Depth of field?

[dissentiscool]

I have to agree with you, my friend. The plane was further back, and the car may have been closer. This is no proof. I suggest that people actually look at facts, and spend less time absorbing every conspiracy theory they come across. The truth may not be as sexy as a conspiracy, but it is far more enjoyable in the long run.

[BTUaplenty]

you would have everyone believe the govmnts theory....why??

[A2ZNP1971K]

So, BTUaplenty, let me get this straight. If someone questions this ridiculous and obvious fraud of a video...this automatically means that they believe the government's theory?

[909512b]

the police car is a lot closer to the "Fish Eye" lens, which distorts anyway, this is a false reference

[A2ZNP1971K]

I find it interesting that someone can look at this video and say that its not a Boeing 757, and that the other object in the foreground is a police car. This video is a pure and simple case of selective reasoning. Like it or not, CTers, this video was all over the news the day of the attacks. So, if you didn't see it before it was locked away...well...sucks to be you.

[A2ZNP1971K]

BTW...the car comparisons in the photos were cute. I loved how the "police car" had to be added in to the second pic. Its quite interesting how a Chevy Caprice suddenly became so much smaller than the Ford Fiesta and Lada that were in the first pic. This video is hilarious, to say the least. It is supposedly exposing "lies and deception" in a video, by doing EXACTLY that, lying and deceiving.

[A2ZNP1971K]

If certain people here can't see anything wrong with the "proof" in this video, well, THEY are the sheep who can easily be led to believe anything they are told. Keep right on being critical, you "critical thinkers", I quite enjoy pointing out the very obvious flaws in your reasoning.

[A2ZNP1971K]

Oh, another error I just spotted. The video maker is absolutely sure the police car was a Ford Crown Victoria. Yet, the cut n' paste add-in comparison in the second photo is a Chevy Caprice. Beware of those who use lies to expose "lies".

[BTUaplenty]

Wrong again, this tape was released by the gov't after a lenthy court fight.

[A2ZNP1971K]

No, not wrong again. I'm sorry that the media has been able to take advantage of your short memory. Thanks for playing though. :)

[palasta]

Just realized that this video is absolutly BS.

[RainyC105]

It looks more like a boeing 717!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lazydogs]

Yeah, It sure looks like a plane, NOT. Are you on drugs?

[lazydogs]

People claim to see a plane in this video. It is a blur but they insist that they see a plane.

[journeystarr]

Because it is a fucking plane you fucking conspiracy theory junkies are all the fucking same. IT WAS a plane that hit the Pentagon! open your eyes. Bin Laden did this.

[khalid6591]

bin laden is bush business partner ? the govrnemnt did it to brainwash american people ,look for whom made alot of money on 9/11 you will find the truth.

[anthematica]

Dear "journeystarr".... What is it like being a sheep and believing everything you are told? I feel bad for you that all of these years, you think "terrorists" attacked the Pentagon. Are you in 3rd grade?

[yebasha420]

there could also be a difference in the distance ..

htt_p://ww_w.youtube.co_m/watc­h?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

this is another good 3D rendering but he uses the fish eye and i agree with it more .. but i have nothing against your presentation because you also show good evidence.. they are just seperate arguments and i choose to agree with the other one

[veragaona]

Hasta entre Ustedes mismos se matan.

[yebasha420]

fish eye lens makes things on the edge seem smaller.. u rendered in a regular camera lens

[twostaff]

Yes, but that would also mean everything in the same area of the fish eye lense wills tillb e equal. IF the police car and the plane appear in the same part of the lense whether everything there is bigger or smaller the plane is still not much bigger than 4 police cars, a real 757 is the size of 20 police cars.

[palasta]

The lenght of a boeing 757 is about 50m. exactly 47,32m was the plane, a 757-200, which had hit the pentagon (so in the offical story). i do not know the exact length of those cars, but we are able to say they are about 4 to 5m in length. It's an easy mathemetical calculation:

47,32m/4,50m = ?

[chachalaca777]

thanks for that!!

people are slowly starting to realize that it is not up to them to proove a criminal's innocence.

[kggoh]

oh...no wonder american make the best movies on earth

[azdan00]

the rest of the plane is outside the frame idiot

[twostaff]

I would accept that explanation, problem is, the pentagon says the whole plane is in the frame at that point. So I will ad you to the list of people who have questions about the Pentagon's official explanation : )

[azdan00]

your braiwashed man

where does the pentagon explain that

NOwhere

[247ghost]

you really are clueless :/

[GlobalLiberty]

Wow, nice thorough work. I was shocked the first time I saw the nose cone of the "plane" and thanks for putting together the 3-d model

[Pilotnumber1]

And finally the jet would be on radar (trasnponder on OR off) from takeoff till impact, there was no "switching" in the air and rerouting UA77 to be shot down or whatever the theory is. Face it, a UA 757 DID hit the pentagon.

[twostaff]

Did you hear the official 9/11 commission report? They lost planes for hours! NORAD and the FAA couldnt track 757s and 767s. You are absolutely right NORAD should be able to track a 757 with transponer on or off or with no tranponder.

[Pilotnumber1]

Second, aside from all the debris that says "American Airlines" lying all over the place, a Global Hawk (also easily distinguishable from a 757) uses a completely different style of jet engine. The 75 uses a multistage high-bypass jet engine, the UAV does not.

[twostaff]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE show me where there is any pictures of any recognizable debris besides the ONE shiny immaculately clean piece laying on the immaculate untouched lawn. And I've seen the recovered engine, it's less than 4' round, a 757 engine is over 7' round.

[Pilotnumber1]

Ok I will refrain from an argument composed of insults and just say it how it is. For one, the government is not stupid, using a missle would be way to great a risk because it is very easily recognized, even if people didnt see the projectile itself, they would see the vapor trail that would span MILES.

[twostaff]

I've never seen a plane or jet or anyting in the surveillance camera, I've always said it looks more like a smoke or vapor trail to me on the camera there

[KIFsmoke]

oh yea we're also suppose to believe that this is the only videocamera the pentagon has running too.

[KIFsmoke]

no way a 757 could fly that low to the ground ... perfectly level and not strike anything but the Pentagon

[rebelde3133]

there was no flight 77 or what ever flight hit the pentagon. it was a missile. you can reveal the truth by looking for loose change

[Demiurg1990]

I'm a "9/11 Truther" and trust me, a plane hit the Pentagon and there is not reason for a plane not to be used.

[newmac]

the police car is a lot closer

[twostaff]

The police car when it goes through the gate is a lot closer. But if you look at the aerial map you will see the road it takes away from the pentagon is exactly where the "757" flies over in the video.

[leeraconteur]

The plane was traveling at 400mph = 587fps. At that velocity it would sheer the pole in half. To traverse the 644 feet from the western edge of Washington Blvd to the 'A' ring would have taken 1200 milliseconds.

Simply not enough time for the engine to breakdown, affect the flight path, or for the engine to blow up and stop the plane.

[twostaff]

But plenty of time for pieces of the jet to burn and emit a thick smoke trail?

[OfficerPotnky]

You missed the 757. What you are pointing at there is a smoke trail, which was emitted by the starboard engine (Rolls Royce RB211) when it ingested the lamp head off a light pole.

Which reminds me, it's pretty good missile that flies in a zig-zag pattern, knocking over 5 light poles, hitting a generater then having enough energy to smash through reinforced concrete, and more concrete throughout the three rings.

[twostaff]

He said "Usin an AA flight AND the missile to dmage this building" NOT "using and AA flight THAT WAS a missile to damage thsi building." It's called a freudian slip : )

[OfficerPotnky]

Any flying object used as a weapon can be called a missile, eg: I could call a ball of paper thrown at my head a missile.

[twostaff]

When they still released the intelligence report on terrorism, the White House said terrorism was down from 2002 to 2003. Thing is, the report actually said terrorism had doubled and Colin Powell admitte don Meet the Press "We can't get away with cooking the books anymore." Bush admitted that he doesn't "think about bin laden much." Every once in a while they tell the truth.

[twostaff]

Quote from Donald Rumsfeld: "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center." Eyewitness Mike Walter: " And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low'. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. "

[frenchperson]

That's not all Mike Walters said but it's all you'll hear from 'truthers'. Unedited, MW said; "I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know, typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill. I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.'

"And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."

[twostaff]

Bodies? what bodies? How about the Black Box? And what was that secret continer they carried in and out under the blue tarp?

[OfficerPotnky]

That was just a blue tent.

[twostaff]

What wreckage?! The shiny polished piece we see the CIA guy picking up (or putting down!) the only piece on the lawn after a 255,000 lb object hits a concrete wall reinforced specifically to withstand attack? Or do you mean the photos (that could have been taken anywhere, there's none that show scale or confirm they are actually from inside the pentagon, I mean I could show you pictures of any wreckage and say it was from the pentagon) of a jet enjine that's 1/4 the size of a 757 engine?

[lazydogs]

Didn't they also use a poor attempt of justifing this lie with 'It disinergrated', 'It burned up'?

[twostaff]

80+ what? are you trying to say over 80 people stated before they were told that they saw a 757 American Airlines jet? Becasue alot of people said it looked more like a commuter plane and others said it was a missile. BUt to be honest, eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and terribly susceptible to suggestion afterwards. I put alot more faith in physics and evidence.

[twostaff]

and if it is smoke, RE: the whole conversation above about where smoke is coming from. 757s don't smoke unless an engine is damaged, if an engine was damaged it was hitting the lighpoles, if the plane hit the lightpole it would have crashed before the pentagon. I'll offer more evidence for that soon. Maybe even another video!

[twostaff]

I agree. If anything, what the govt claims to be a 757 is just smoke. The pointy thing does seem to be a tail of something, apparetly completely hidden by the parking gate box. The problem is the Govt claims what appears more than anything to be smoke is a 757.

[twostaff]

We would then have to believe that someone who never actually flew a 757 ever before excecuted a perfect fighter attack approach coming from altitutde diving in a turn and pulling into the line of attack at the last minute with military precision then after sheering lightpoles, and damaging engines, keeps the wings even within 5° and punches through 5 rings of the most secure building in America? Wow, Maverick and Ice, eat your heart out!

[twostaff]

They say the plane hit the base of the pentagon just inches off the ground which would mean with a wingspan of 124 feet, 5 feet above the gound (which is higher than they say the plane flew in at) that pilot only has a clearance of 5°, more than 5° and one of the wingtips hit the pavement or lawn and the plane cartwheels.

[twostaff]

If they hit the light poles with enough force to damage an engine the plane would have crashed on the highway, or at the very least changed it's perfect attack execution and impeccable trajectory.

[twostaff]

The plane outline at the end is what they say, not me, is the plane. I agree, I think it's more likely smoke. Jet engines don't smoke like that. They create vapor trails at high altitudes as the vapor freezes in the air but not near the ground. Some have said its a smoking engine from hitting the light poles.

[twostaff]

I use a compact car which is as tall as any car becasue that was in the pic, I also used a crown victoria police car which is by any standards a full size car.

[Phil095]

Search youtube for '911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77'. It shows another perspective.

As for this video, it uses a compact car to 'size up' a 757 (at 1:18 in). As for the plane outline at the end, it can be argued that the smoke from the engine was outlined and not the plane itself.

[ladyofthemyst]

You are dedicated to your responses, and very articulate. It's too bad that the opposing posters are resorting to profanity and fallacies.

Do you know if there are any grand plans for a huge confrontation with the American government? From reading many comments on a ton of sites, it certainly looks like there are a HUGE number of people who agree that 911 was a conspiracy.

I want to be there, or help somehow.

[v1deon1gga]

well u still are the dumbass because you're making a big deal out of something that we wont ever forget. Please tell me wat the hell is the point of this video I think its people like you that like to cause problems in the world u fucking athiest

[twostaff]

I give you facts and figures, science and physics, you can only offer name calling. I think we all know who has the upper hand in this argument, but let's continue anyway. It's a big deal becasue we can't protect the most secure building with the best defenses in the country from a plane we knew was hijacked for over an hour, we knew were crashing into buildings, and we were tracking.

[twostaff]

IT doesn't bother you at all that our air defense is so poor that anyone can fly planes right into our military command without even a SAM missile being fired? They had SAM missiles on the president's hotel in FLA the night before. You want to "keep us safe from terrorists" maybe we shoudl have an investigation why the most technologically advanced military int he world with over an hours notice with the target on radar couldnt stop it from destrying our most secure building in the nation.

[twostaff]

What is the point of you using profanity and attacking me when all I'm doing is asking questions that should be answered. Yes, it IS people like me who ask questions, seek truth and understanding. Ignorance is bliss. It must be nice to be you and trust that our governments only have the average citizens best interests at heart. You keep believing that. Oh and I happen to believe there is a god so I don't even know where that atheist remark came from.

[wwwPNACATTACKcom]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH - Hitler said once like you...after they burned Reichtag...Just libe PNAC...USA made 9/11...

Period.

[v1deon1gga]

that was only the front part of the plane in the video first of all dumbass second the landing gear was up in the video. The epicture that u showed basically with the landing geard own made the aircraft about 10 to 15 ft taller

[twostaff]

First of all why do you guys always have to immediately resort to name calling? Secondly, as often seems to be the case, you are making uninformed commentary. You must just be responding to the comments without having even watched my video, because if you had you would have seen at the very beginning I give the dimensions WITHOUT landing gear right of Boeing's website, then TWICE I show that REAL 757 bodies (NOT including landing gear) are 3 cars high...so who is the dumbass?

[twostaff]

and actually, the landing gear only add 8 feet. Again, if you were to actually watch the video, you would see a man standing next to the landing gear, he can obviously reach up and touch the bottom of the plane, according to Boeing the body of the plane is 12' 4" the landing gear are 64% of the height which is 8 feet.

[Reflecter]

I dont doubt you I mean.

[twostaff]

One of these days I'll get around to the fish eye thing, the 3D program doesnt have fish eye, so I need a plug in or a filter for the video itself.

[Reflecter]

Nice video twostaff. I hope you manage a fish eye recreation one aswell. The smoke trail as argued in another video could be engine damage from a lampost or the trailer. Still that doesnt explain the NTSB Flight data recorder animation that places AA77 about 440ft above the ground over the highway! Those were effin big lamposts huh! This remains a mystery and the public needs the other 82 witheld tapes regardless of what they do or dont show.

[twostaff]

you know, excellent answer to the damaged angine, why there is smoke. I could almost accept that. Except that planes that have clipped lightposts, especially if hitting the engines, crash at the lightpost. Especially if the wings are so fragile that they disintegrate and get sucked into that tiny hole then a lamppost would rip those wings offf, just like they have done EVERY other time a lampost is hit by a plane.But never the less, I may have to take that off my list.

[twostaff]

But actually , now that I think of it, yes it is true a fish eye lens would make objects toward the outside of the field of view smaller, they would make all objects smaller porportionally. So the police car and the "jet" would both get smaller. Which would mean the object is still about the size of three police cars.

[Reflecter]

Thanks for getting back. I also think you just answered others prior remarks regarding the fish eye business rather nicely. I agree that the wings should be severely damaged, making the rest of the flight very tricky at the least. Any sources available for prior examples at all? I doubt you either. What do you think of the NTSB animation making it impossible to hit the lamposts btw as that you didnt cover? Great work though regardless.

[Jetdreams65]

yeah and so the airplane itself and all of its passengers were in fact abducted by aliens. The families of those who boarded that plane were comforted with that explanation.

[twostaff]

We haven't been attacked by aliens either. The Bush policies must be making us safer!

[Takkyon]

The people behind this dastardly conspiracy can only be seen for who they really are with special sunglasses. There was a fact based movie made about them starring Roddy Piper. You should see it, it explains a lot! I would not lie to you.

[Patrick81291]

People are dead does it matter how

[twostaff]

uh, yea, I think it makes a BIG difference if 1.) Binl Laden actually did all the attacks that day OR 2.) Bin Laden did the attacks and our government suspected it might happen but let it happen to further their PNAC motives OR 3.) Our Government worked with Bin Laden to further both their agendas. Did terrorists kill 3,000 people that day or did our government? How involved exactly was our government. I think that's REALLY important!

[twostaff]

Let's see, US forces allowed Bin Laden to leave Tora Bora unmolested. Pakistan sent helicopters to airlift Bin Laden and Taliban out of Tora Bora and into the Pakistan mountins. This week Pakistan announced it has given safe harbor to Bin Laden and the Taliban. They have released all Taliban from prison and given their weapons back. Bush says that Pakistan is our best ally in the middle east.

[twostaff]

What happened to appeasing terrorists? What happened to "we make no distinction between terroists and the coutries that harbor them"?

[JPhish]

well done . . you make that in 3ds max? you certainly know what your doing. You should redo it slightyl with that placement of the police care in the 3d model so you can draw comparisons with distance and size in the video.

[snailout]

yup it couldnt have been a 757, thats for sure, might have been a smaller plane, or a drone, or a missile, but not a 757

wonder wat happened to those passengers who were supposedly on that 757 they said did crash...

[twostaff]

ALOT of thsoe passengers were military or miliatry contractors, though I suppose that in itself isn't to out fo the ordinary, figuring their are alot of military and military contractors in Washington. I'm thinking they were flown out over the ocean int he real 757 and blown up.

[twostaff]

and I can understand you have some anger. I don't want to get into a whole other thing here but I think it's a terrible tradgedy what has been happening to your country.

[Jhamric3]

dude what makes u think u know everything. a plane hit the damn pentegon ive seen plenty of footage and heard many of the family members stories. your probably the same guy who tried to say that the planes hitting the towers were not terrorists also. i lost a friend on 9/11 and people like u make me sick. quit trying to find reasons that america is corrupt. we have enough of those hear and we dont need under-educated people such as yourself making stupid false assumptions such as this

[twostaff]

Just one more time will I repeat myself. Using profanity and calling me names is not a legitimate argument. If you can answer any of my questions I welcome a debate. Otherwise we can curse at each other all you want it doesn't solve a serious problem with the pentagon, either the gov was involved or we have some piss poor air defense.

[twostaff]

Why don't we have an intelligent conversation instead of you just calling me names? Becasue you can't have an intellisgent conversation? You forgot to call me a terrorist lover and america hater.

[twostaff]

also has ANYONE EVER seen a 757 leave a billowing vapor trail behind it this close to the ground? I used to live by Newark airport and I can see I've never seen a wisp of smoke unless they are 20000 in the air. You know what DOES have a smoke trail? Missiles!

[bmused55]

I'm not one for conspiracies. But my experience around aircraft tells me that it was no 757 that hit the pentagon. Something hit it, but not a 757. The object seen in the video is just too damn small. Plus, for a 757 to fly at that low a level, it would have to drag its engines along the ground, yet there is not one single blade of grass touched on the apparent path of the planes approach. There should be 2 distinct ditches dug by the engines, which would have broken ofd anyway, yet... nothing.

[duke336]

this video is strange....

First: it was not a "police car" that we see;; it's an engine on the wing of a plane;;; second: plane is flying, so can't compare the hight when parked..

Third: i think that it was the plane but much smaller and without "an arab teroriste" as an pilot inside...

[twostaff]

It's the engine from the wing of the plane driving around on the lawn after the plan ehit and smoke is billowing out of the pentagon? The plane is sthe same height when it's flying or when it's parked and from what the "official" account is it was so close to the ground it might as well have bbeen parked

[twostaff]

How can 4 jumbo jetliners fly around for hours and our FAA and defense doesn't have a clue? Answer those questions and how such a big plane fitthrough such a small hole and where all the bodies and plane parts went. Show me the vsurveilance videos. Do all that before you call me a terrorist lover and freedom hater. Try an intelligent discussion before throwing your hate around.

[twostaff]

Did you know they had anti aircraft missiles on the hotel the president was staying at the day before to shoot down planes but we don't have any aanti aircraft on the Whitehouse or the Pentagon? What if thatwabomber with a nuclear payload? are you telling me we are helpless to stop that?

[twostaff]

where are all the videos from all the other surveilance cameras?

[leomannpictures]

you're assertions are a cruel joke..get a clue.. islamists want to kill us..do you even know what side you're on?

[twostaff]

Did you see the report on how badly NORAD responded? Did you know it was the general at NORADS first day? DId you know it was the FAA's senior supervisors first day that day?

[kalahiki808]

when you were comparing the 757 and the police car at the airport, no way that the airplane door is almost as big as the car. stupid shit.

[twostaff]

Ford website says a crown victoria is 58.3 inches high.

A 757s over all height is 528 inches according to Boeing

That should mean you could pile over 9 cars on top of each other to be as tall as the tailfin

The cabin is148 inches wide according to boeing. Since plains are round it is approximately 148 inches tall. That would mean you could fit at least 2.5 police cars. If you stacked them on top of each otheroof to chasis you can fit 3 cars. i stand by my assertion!

[twostaff]

(someone said the police car was on the access ramp which is even farhter away meaning it appeared even smaller than the object which would make that object even smaller than a police car.) And while the other frame only had the front of the object, it was enough to see how tall it was and it definetly wasn't taller than a police car.

Funny thing, a private 8 seater jet is about the height of a police car and approximately 3 car lengths long.

[twostaff]

ok, good point, i will try recreating the fish eye. however the police car drove out to the impact area of the wall AFTER the plane hit, then drove out in the same direction the plane came in making it close enough to where the object was caught as to make little difference if it was a little closer or a little farther away

[rotcmaverick]

In the second clip, it's only the front of the airplane, the whole thing isn't even in frame.

And in your animation about the camera angles and stuff... the fish-eye lens was still not taken into account (because the building in the animation was straight, not curved.)

(oh, in my previous comment I meant to say the building was distorted, not the road.)

You failed.

[rotcmaverick]

Someone doesn't know shit about camera angles. It's a fish-eye lens (which is why the road seems to bend in the middle), so there's already distortions. In the first clip, the 757 is further away than the police car, otherwise the police car would've been demolished, so there's another perspective distortion.

[TrevGFC]

Surely the Government would've known that the people would tear the vid to shreds.