I showed my son this and said that is why I almost called him Antony William - he shot back "You should have done that, dad!" Ah well! Sublime work Mr Williams!
Love this song!! If anyone gets the chance check out Dave Lennard, he is a Britains got talent reject, didnt even get past first round, i think he is amazing see what you think
@rhythmicginger as my girlfriend always says, "there are no stupid comments, just stupid people." They confuse their opinions with fact, abject stupidity.
They're ALL GREAT! Rich, Williams, Weckl, Blackwell, Smith, Colauita, Gadd, Mayer, Royster Jr., etc. Why do you think they are SO LOVED? They produced and played great music! That's what matters! Stop comparing and start playing!... Being a musician starts with Music Appreciation. Love. Live. Listen.
Tony is the king of phrasing... Period! The way he cuts through time...No-ones ever come close, not yet. Go ask any contemporary Master. You know what they'll say...
@Asymmatrix .....really ??!!.....what about Buddy Rich, or Chad Smith or Gene Krupa ??........theyre always winning greatest ever drummer polls in 'Modern Drummer' magazine so they must be the best right !!??
(LOL - just kidding....yep, Wiliams was awesome, massively influential, massively ahead of his time and could do it all )
Why do people feel the need to compare one musician to another? Beats me! Buddy Rich and Tony Williams grew up in entirely different eras, with hugely different musical sensibilities, both making ground-breaking contributions to their instrument and to music, but in their time and in different ways. Just enjoy!
And one more thing about Buddy Rich. Technically he was the greatest. And yes, it was always the same technique, altough he played more `hip` things with his band like Weather Report covers later on in his career. But still it was a drumming style centered around things that you can do on a snare drum only. And that`s many things anyway!
Neal Peart is an excellent drummer who I am sure would be the first to say, that like the rest of us, we bow to the great Tony Williams! Tony was an innovator like Jaco was and like Miles was and so on and so on! Tony had such a lot of chops!
Tony extracted life from the kit by not being afraid to beat the crap out of it, or of playing rock in a jazz setting. The greatest drummer who ever lived, period. Buddy can kiss Tony's ass. Buddy showed off, Tony tore your soul out and handed it to you.
@sailin1934 Please. Buddy Rich did nothing to advance the vocabulary of music at all. He was a great drummer, no question, but Tony Williams revolutionized what it means to play jazz not only on drums, but in terms of rhythm across the board. Get with the program bro. Tony Williams is a key figure in music. Buddy Rich is only a key figure in flashy drumming which is pretty narrow.
@teemingup Here's the thing: Can you name any one recording with Buddy RIch that really stands out as a piece of music that influenced the way that other drummers were approaching the instrument, that doesn't have to do with a drum solo? I'd say I cannot think of one at all. Yet I can name about 10 albums with Tony that truly changed the course of drumming and jazz music at large where no drum solos were played at all. From tones, to musical ideas, to styles of music, Tony changed the game.
@mpmrecords Tony is a geat hero of mine. I even met him and drove with him to his hotel in 1989. So is Elving Jones, whom I also met. And Ed Blackwell. All of them have left their marks in drumming. Just think of Roy Haynes, who`s playing is still as fresh as when he started. I love them all. Billy Higgins, and now someone like Bill Stewart. Paul Motian, still going strong, and my greatest hero, Jack de Johnette. What Tony learned from Alan Dawson, and the stuff that he added to that...Hats off!
@mpmrecords Yes I can. West Side Story. Oh wait, that had an awesome drum solo. How about The Great Drum Battle? Oh wait, that had awesome drum solos. Hey, wait a minute. What's wrong with drum solos? Do a search on Vinnie Colaiuta at the Baked Potato, 2000. Tell me that's not genius!
@circuitdesign You know, the West Side Story stuff is totally cool, no question about it, and Vinnie is unbelievable as well. Really I think InnAb109 is correct. Comparisons about musicians are a waste of time. It's not like sports or something that can be quantified. I love Tony and Vinnie and Buddy is awesome too. Period. TONY WON THOUGH ;-)
How do you analyze what's happening here? The comments that I have read just seem to reinforce the notion that there are those who get it, and those who don't. If you get it, it doesn't matter if other influences contribute to what is happening, because that is an integral part of any art form, and whilst structural analysis is interesting, it won't help you play the music. If you don't get it, why listen? Glad I found this one. Many thanks!
Toni Williams hat wirklich einen außergewöhnlich guten Tag erwischt - vielleicht war er auch auf koks ! ? - übertrift sich selbst hier ! - fantastisch .......
I know traditional grip is widely used among jazz players, but doesn't it look like they have to work 10x harder to accomplish the same magnitude of chops as match? Idk, you always hear from the pros to go with whatever feels most natural, but I've never seen a beginner pick up sticks for the first time holding 'em traditional grip...thoughts?
@et720 Trad calls for different muscle groups and therefore different parts of the brain. For me, it feels very natural to use when playing more intricate, delicate stuff. But I can pull of the same things either trad or matched. I think it really depends on the mood of the drummer. It's a good tool to have at a drummers disposal because it changes things up many levels, creatively, physically, psychologically & neurologically.
@et720 The only functionality of tradition grip was back in the old days where drummers would march with drums to the side of there hips. Other than that it has no purpose.
Don't get me wrong, Tony Williams is an really really good drummer, but I never really understood why he was such a legend. I've seen far more underrated drummers do stuff as good, if not better, than him.
@fallingfromjupiter In under to understand Tony's influence you have to "listen" to what he plays...His placement of rhythms and his energy makes him one of the greatest drummers..Remember there are thousands of drummers with monster chops but are they "interesting" and are they musical...???
@freein2339 well I've watched a bunch of solos by him since I posted that comment, but my opinion still hasn't changed. He's a great drummer for sure, ground breaking at the time maybe, but I see too many amazing drummers that go largely unnoticed, when Tony here goes down as a legend. Sure he's a great drummer, and I love his drumming, I just think he doesn't quite deserve all the recognition he has.
@fallingfromjupiter It's not the solos that make a great drummer...It's how they play in the tune...Tony does things that other drummers don't think of....
@freein2339 yeah I watched him play songs too. I think I saw about 20 solos and songs all up, and I still think although he's a great drummer, I've seen better. Chops wise, groove wise, just better drummers. And most of them aren't anywhere near as well known as this guy.
i don't know how old you are... but what you should try is... looking at the evolving of music at the time tony was on... with whom he played... and the impact of that collaboration was on the development of music in general...
the other thing is... even if you watched him playing "songs" too... you certainly didn't get all the creativity he put into all that music...
better drummers...???... on the level he was creating... its never about competition... its about music...
@stewiewonderful as any jazz drummer or musician would know, it is all about competition lol when someone outside of your group steps up on that bandstand to play with you on the same instrument, it's all about who can lay down harder. As for Tony, sure his beginnings with the 2nd great quintet are amazing but the path he continued on led to the decline in drumming. this video proves it, since when is trading all about playing as fast and as hard as you can? wheres the communication?
i'd suggest you listen to that drumming again... with an ear concentrating on the contents... the story that he tells with all that "fast" stuff... its not only about playing fast... its rather... what can you do with that stuff... as composing... or would you say he does always the same...?
as to communication... there is a very intensive communication here its just... if you'd expect something you knew from earlier guys... then go back to them... ;-)
@stewiewonderful "its not only about playing fast, its rather what you can do with that stuff." You said that and thats exactly my point lol and communication, you must not play the drums or you'd know what I was talking about. his counterparts play swung rhythms with breaks and melody while tony plays straight notes. I shouldn't have to go back to Max or Philly to hear good communication. I can listen to "Call It Anything" and Jack DeJohnette does a fine job of communicating.
@stewiewonderful I think I'm just trying to make a point of what most don't see, that Williams just plays as fast and as hard as he can. While that's all well and good (i mean who doesn't like to beat up their drumset on a bad day?) I don't see how that makes him as high up as you or others claim.
@stewiewonderful The 2nd quintet was amazing, I can listen to what Williams does in All Blues from The Complete 1964 concert all day long because it's just so genius. But that doesn't mean all of that continues on into these videos, think about it stewie, i'm just having a general discussion.
i'm not someone who listens to tony 8 hours a day... but even on this video...although it might not have been his most creative day... can see his genius... he does 3 thing amazingly... entertains (hear the reaction of the audience)... he communicates..(as qouted above)... and composing.(using technical material but very creatively...to me certainly)... hes way might be a matter of taste but his impact of the modern music is clear even here..;-)
@stewiewonderful Tony is the one who should've been in a rock band and if we're talking about rock, not jazz, then that's cool. His modern impact is definitely clear, he started the decline of drumming. When you talk about rock drummers, there are bad, average or good. But jazz drummers before tony, hardly any were considered "bad" because it takes so much technique and talent to be able to keep up in a jazz standard. See what im saying?
i think tony was in the right band... in whatever music he played... and i think he became who he became because he wouldn't care about all those expectations of yours... ;-)
@stewiewonderful My expectations come from people like you who talked the man up so much without actually understanding the whole thing lol and no he became who he became because as a child, he was a drum prodigy and he worked to be the best, you know, competed. But apparently you like to dance around my points, so we shall end this since you have nothing to offer back to me, except.....talking....like....this.....=) Talk to you later kid.
well... as i came around he was already up there... all i see is there is great music here... and communication... that inspires me right away as a musician... and... no... providing the way he already played as he was 16 he didn't have to compete... miles called him anyway... your most important points seem to be my 3 points between my thoughts... and with all this "lol" stuff... who is the kid here...;-)...??... by the way... i have been living from music in the past 25 years...
@stewiewonderful You're not telling me anything though, i say how he started the decline of drumming, you didn't elaborate that at all. I compared to people before him as examples of how he declined and instead you shrugged it off with, "go listen to them." Communication in this music, the one instance with Tyner on this video is all you have (the diz and hubbard ones are a stretch) while if i find a song with miles and philly there are numerous instances. Do you listen to other drummers?
anyway... just keep listening to music like this.... sometime it will get to you too...
as this communication is getting to a level where don't really wanna go... lets just leave it at that... i could go on telling miles of tales... but it wouldn't do any good to you since... apart from your ignorance... you also decided to compete here too... well... it doesn't work like that...
@stewiewonderful You yourself said you don't listen to him 8 hours a day, well that's what it takes. And this competing thing...go open up Miles autobiography, there are numerous instances were Miles says he competes against other trumpet players, are you going against Miles? the man who picked your drum prodigy, at age 17 by the way, not 16. I love WIlliams, I don't think you realize that but I'm not blind as to what's happening in this video or the other later ones. Tell me miles of tales?
@slick82958 yes... he was 17 when miles called him... and he was 15 when he caught miles behind the stage asking him if he could sit in... tony's own words by the way... i didn't want to get elsewhere because thats not what you see in this video... but maybe you should check out his quintet... pure music... but also here is not enough place to get analytic... i wish we lived somewhere near so that we could continue by a drink or so...
@stewiewonderful If I'm so ignorant then go ahead, enlighten me because I love to learn. But i guarantee your next response will have nothing but insults and wording that is trying and get me going. At this point you're just starting to sound like you were trolling anyway. If you truly know all that you are claiming to know, then let's have a real conversation.
also... as i've been teaching jazz piano the past 6 years in the university of music in hannover/germany... its kind of my job to know all one can about thees guys... of course i'm not quiet there yet, but one does what one can one step at a time....
yes i know the guys you mentioned... but to compare them in order to see who is better at what... is to me still the wrong way to look at the music... sorry pal...
@stewiewonderful Are you competing with me by telling me your background =) No I'm just messing with you, seriously, I'm glad to hear a real response from you...lot of trolls on youtube. I'm not talking about who's better though, you know? Tony is just an interesting case to me because I feel like he was so amazing in his earlier years and then i see videos like this and im just like, what? So, for later stuff that proves me wrong, what should I check out teach?
and... i'd say as long as music is about competition to you... well... you might be better off in a rock band... or maybe some fusion stuff... i don't know... but as long as you try to compete... you might not be free enough to create... my personal opinion...
if tony competes here... it is only with himself... if at all... but he does react to mccoy(1:13-1:30)... and then he is the one with the ideas that dizzy(0:49-1:04) and freddie(1:40-1:54) are picking up.. anyway... cheers.;-)
@stewiewonderful Again, you must not be in a group then man. Miles, Sonny, Diz, they've all said it before, when someone outside your group steps up on stage to "jam" with you, it becomes a competition to see who can keep up. Not unless you're saying that all of those musicians belonged in a rock band. Competition is what fuels creativity. When a drummer pulls out something amazing, i push to find something inside of me that's better. Regardless, Tony just bangs on those drums.
@stewiewonderful the jazz drummers before tony knew how to speak on their drums and communicate with their counter parts on horns/rhythm instruments when they would trade. as others have stated, he created the blast beat and so on and so forth. most drummers just turned into cavemen after citing his years after the 2nd great quintet. I'll quote max roach, "it's not about how hard or how fast you can play" because anybody can build up speed.
Simply amazing drummer. I was lucky enough to see him at a clinic. To me, it is a waste of time saying this drummer is better than that one. In their league they all are superb. When I saw him I was amazed at his technique, use of feet, 3 floor toms, etc. He played good improv, or fusion, like Lifetime with Allan Holdswoth. Thanks for sharing
@TheLastPictureShow I never said Tony played in big bands. He came in later, obviously in the 60's. I meant that in a big band setting, and his time (Buddy) was King.
@chandygarcia Buddy had better chops but like Billy Cobham Buddy couldn't swing anywhere near as good as Tony and Tony is much morre interesting.....Just "listen"...
Tony Williams pretty much invented the blast beat, awesome. Such an amazing player. Jazz is amazing and something I strive to play at a good level someday.
Ironically, HippieDrummer06, the last time I saw a metal drummer playing he used a much wider array of dynamics and feels than Tony is in this video. Don't be narrowminded, metal is a huge genre.
And fucktards want to argue w/me about who's better at the art of drumming. Portnoy or Tony.? Anybody who even considers Portard is a fuckeeeen dipshit.
@NewBreedOfDrummer It's amazing how Neil's name comes up in the strangest places. As you said, no comparison. I absolutely love Peart's style and consider him a great progressive rock drummer. Tony is literally one of the giants in drumming history. His style and creativity were ahead of his time. A physically imposing drummer who's strength was very obvious behind the kit. The Tony Williams "Lifetime Collection" CD is the best drumming album I've heard. Alan Holdsworth on guitar. A must have.
@NewBreedOfDrummer You can not compare 2 different styles and say one is "better" than the other, is a Van Gohn better than a Renoir? well that depends on each individuals perspective. Harder doesn't always mean better. They each have their strength's and weaknesses, Peart is very controlled and Tony is more improvisational... is blue better than red? are oranges better than apples? just enjoy each for their artistic abilities and stop comparing.
Tony was a new school of Jazz. He broke away from the Buddy Rich/bigband paradigm. Tony practiced like hell, he could read music. He loved a big, bold drum sound and liked to tune his toms clearly. Unlike Buddy, Tony grooved in the pocket and used his toms to death. Notice you also hear his foot...he only feathered the kick when he had to. He was the consummate dynamic range player.
Legend !
MrLusterboi 6 days ago
DA DRUMMER
paradiddle16 2 weeks ago
I showed my son this and said that is why I almost called him Antony William - he shot back "You should have done that, dad!" Ah well! Sublime work Mr Williams!
twangbarfly 3 weeks ago
Tony and Ron are best fucking rhythmic section this world has had the chance to meet
ramonpastorius 1 month ago
@ramonpastorius that's why they're called the rolls royce!
flipadiddle 1 month ago
Thanks for posting, truly amazing.
DinoJCione 1 month ago
Wow. I would kill to see any one of those people live.
pencert 2 months ago
Oh my god that Bass in the beginning is soo sexy.
itsmedude1020 2 months ago
PURE JOY IN WATCHING TONY PLAY THE DRUMS! Sheer unadulterated joy!
chungiemunchin 3 months ago
1:55 even bruce lee knows whats good
toastyrolla 8 months ago 3
@toastyrolla Haha
SweeetPicker 7 months ago
These guys make it all look effortless. They are all incredible.
occams99 9 months ago
has anyone got the full footage of this gig?
AmaneSuganami 10 months ago
heavy line up
AmaneSuganami 10 months ago
CAN SOMEBODY TAKE OFF THAT WHITE NOISE? This footage would be at it just value if it whent for a ride into logic or something...
studiolatraque 10 months ago
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BabiaaAnaaa60 11 months ago
His technique is INSANE!
wmakiling805 11 months ago
Best, Good, Friendly…..
E2011CreaX 11 months ago
i love how at the very end 3:48 tony just smiles like "yeahh...that's that shit right there"
youenjoy00myself 11 months ago 2
This is awesome! What a line-up!
hatebadmusic 11 months ago
now i know who brain mantia has studied!
aakkoin 11 months ago
Really enjoyed that - thanks!
smoovegittar 11 months ago
I'm so fucking stupid. First thought "footage" referred to how he used his feet. Then I realized I'm a bear.
God, I hate it when salmon gets stuck in between my upper right carnassials
zuperduperboi 11 months ago 3
This is the "Cream in your pants" Band.
rillloudmother 1 year ago
jesus...fuckin jammin...all of them
MrGziss 1 year ago
I am so post modern, so deep, I am the I of eye...
kyleballes 1 year ago
Aaaaahhhh Man that's good stuff.
pantsman6 1 year ago
tony williams had more techniques and approaches to drumming than all you a-holes put together. just check the video!
TheToocold 1 year ago
@TheToocold well said...
MrGziss 1 year ago
средней руки джаз
The19492 1 year ago
the biggest pair of sticks I' ve never seen !!!
MrSymphony81 1 year ago
how can anyone dislike this?
crayonitred 1 year ago
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Love this song!! If anyone gets the chance check out Dave Lennard, he is a Britains got talent reject, didnt even get past first round, i think he is amazing see what you think
davidgibbs75 1 year ago
You should see how much better I am, I am so cool now. Tony Williams was influenced by my style...
kyleballes 1 year ago
I'm a better drummer than Tony Williams,,,
kyleballes 1 year ago
@kyleballes in you dreams, BITCH!
1stGoRide 1 year ago 3
@kyleballes Dude, seriously - what does "better" even mean when talking about an artist? How do you quantify your "betterness"?
rhythmicginger 1 year ago
@rhythmicginger as my girlfriend always says, "there are no stupid comments, just stupid people." They confuse their opinions with fact, abject stupidity.
rillloudmother 1 year ago
@rillloudmother Hehe :) The ego is a fascinating thing ;)
rhythmicginger 9 months ago
This is how drums should be played,its sad he is unknown to many kids who worship Travis Barker and Jordison
Thomasgipsy 1 year ago 6
this sounds like chaos to me..
odd how thats inverse. I bet a majority of people here think the stuff kids listen to now sounds like complete chaos.
TheHitez 1 year ago
@TheHitez
You need to clean your ears out or just grow up cause this stuff is great! But maybe you just aren't ready yet...
videolover61 1 year ago
They're ALL GREAT! Rich, Williams, Weckl, Blackwell, Smith, Colauita, Gadd, Mayer, Royster Jr., etc. Why do you think they are SO LOVED? They produced and played great music! That's what matters! Stop comparing and start playing!... Being a musician starts with Music Appreciation. Love. Live. Listen.
mistixbflyin4u 1 year ago 3
Tony is the king of phrasing... Period! The way he cuts through time...No-ones ever come close, not yet. Go ask any contemporary Master. You know what they'll say...
soundviewvids 1 year ago
Father of fusion. Need I say more?
circuitdesign 1 year ago
The greatest drummer who ever lived, by a large margin.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
@Asymmatrix .....really ??!!.....what about Buddy Rich, or Chad Smith or Gene Krupa ??........theyre always winning greatest ever drummer polls in 'Modern Drummer' magazine so they must be the best right !!??
(LOL - just kidding....yep, Wiliams was awesome, massively influential, massively ahead of his time and could do it all )
DonkeyMagnet99 1 year ago
@Asymmatrix absolutely !!
DinoJCione 2 months ago
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Cool I didn't know he played drums too, Richard Pryor was such a multi-talented dude.
MK360VAL 1 year ago
His smile at the end resumes everything...
cyraobatera 1 year ago
Why do people feel the need to compare one musician to another? Beats me! Buddy Rich and Tony Williams grew up in entirely different eras, with hugely different musical sensibilities, both making ground-breaking contributions to their instrument and to music, but in their time and in different ways. Just enjoy!
InnAb109 1 year ago
And one more thing about Buddy Rich. Technically he was the greatest. And yes, it was always the same technique, altough he played more `hip` things with his band like Weather Report covers later on in his career. But still it was a drumming style centered around things that you can do on a snare drum only. And that`s many things anyway!
teemingup 1 year ago
Tony, beautiful, still under rated.
He would be proud of the new drum beast. MMA's Ray "3 hands" Snow.
people, just google his site. Hes a legend now in Pgh.
hes a damn freak. some say changing the instrument.
MyHandsofstone 1 year ago
@MyHandsofstone HAHAHAHA!
Riiiiiiiiight...
sofakingrate 1 year ago
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Lucithus 1 year ago
@MyHandsofstone My God that Ray Snow is terrrrible. He just splooges all over the set with zero musicality. Awful stuff.
Lucithus 1 year ago
@Lucithus Who is Ray Snow?
circuitdesign 1 year ago
That was insane!!!! man I love tony's drumming!!!!
jonnycwilson 1 year ago
I prefer Tony's swing to his soloing. It's too heavy. =/
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
Neal Peart is an excellent drummer who I am sure would be the first to say, that like the rest of us, we bow to the great Tony Williams! Tony was an innovator like Jaco was and like Miles was and so on and so on! Tony had such a lot of chops!
chungiemunchin 1 year ago 2
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He really isn't doing anything unusual here. This is not very creative. Roy Haynes
has more soul.
mjam93 1 year ago
He really isn't doing anything unusual here. This is not very creative. Roy Haynes
has more soul.
mjam93 1 year ago
Tony extracted life from the kit by not being afraid to beat the crap out of it, or of playing rock in a jazz setting. The greatest drummer who ever lived, period. Buddy can kiss Tony's ass. Buddy showed off, Tony tore your soul out and handed it to you.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
1:29 HOLY SHIT!!! his cheeks can get sooo fucking big!!!
mickeythebutcher 1 year ago 32
@mickeythebutcher HAAHAHAHAH
IlFidiputtDefinitivo 1 year ago
@mickeythebutcher HAHAHAHAH\HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSAH
Kierank30 10 months ago
blah, blah, modal analytical critique or whatever the hell yall are talking about. TONY WILLIAMS IS A FUCKING BEAST ON THE DRUMS!!!
ponchoko 1 year ago 41
@ponchoko
Yep...yes...teah...but everybody on that stage is a force of nature!
videolover61 1 year ago
@ponchoko THAT is the fucking truth!
jayscott49 11 months ago
buddy had more finesse in his little finger thanthi guy.
sailin1934 1 year ago
@sailin1934 Please. Buddy Rich did nothing to advance the vocabulary of music at all. He was a great drummer, no question, but Tony Williams revolutionized what it means to play jazz not only on drums, but in terms of rhythm across the board. Get with the program bro. Tony Williams is a key figure in music. Buddy Rich is only a key figure in flashy drumming which is pretty narrow.
mpmrecords 1 year ago
@mpmrecords
Bingo
and ditto for the rest of ostentatious drummers
Samsgarden 1 year ago
@mpmrecords wellllllll..........
teemingup 1 year ago
@teemingup Here's the thing: Can you name any one recording with Buddy RIch that really stands out as a piece of music that influenced the way that other drummers were approaching the instrument, that doesn't have to do with a drum solo? I'd say I cannot think of one at all. Yet I can name about 10 albums with Tony that truly changed the course of drumming and jazz music at large where no drum solos were played at all. From tones, to musical ideas, to styles of music, Tony changed the game.
mpmrecords 1 year ago
@mpmrecords Tony is a geat hero of mine. I even met him and drove with him to his hotel in 1989. So is Elving Jones, whom I also met. And Ed Blackwell. All of them have left their marks in drumming. Just think of Roy Haynes, who`s playing is still as fresh as when he started. I love them all. Billy Higgins, and now someone like Bill Stewart. Paul Motian, still going strong, and my greatest hero, Jack de Johnette. What Tony learned from Alan Dawson, and the stuff that he added to that...Hats off!
teemingup 1 year ago
@mpmrecords Yes I can. West Side Story. Oh wait, that had an awesome drum solo. How about The Great Drum Battle? Oh wait, that had awesome drum solos. Hey, wait a minute. What's wrong with drum solos? Do a search on Vinnie Colaiuta at the Baked Potato, 2000. Tell me that's not genius!
circuitdesign 1 year ago
@circuitdesign You know, the West Side Story stuff is totally cool, no question about it, and Vinnie is unbelievable as well. Really I think InnAb109 is correct. Comparisons about musicians are a waste of time. It's not like sports or something that can be quantified. I love Tony and Vinnie and Buddy is awesome too. Period. TONY WON THOUGH ;-)
mpmrecords 1 year ago
@circuitdesign Vinny is very good, but not on the same level as Tony.
DinoJCione 2 months ago
uhuuuuuuuuu
casuner 1 year ago
Monstrous drumming, watching Tony is very inspiring.
mclovindrumman 1 year ago
How do you analyze what's happening here? The comments that I have read just seem to reinforce the notion that there are those who get it, and those who don't. If you get it, it doesn't matter if other influences contribute to what is happening, because that is an integral part of any art form, and whilst structural analysis is interesting, it won't help you play the music. If you don't get it, why listen? Glad I found this one. Many thanks!
mjazz234 1 year ago
Toni Williams hat wirklich einen außergewöhnlich guten Tag erwischt - vielleicht war er auch auf koks ! ? - übertrift sich selbst hier ! - fantastisch .......
roccotom 1 year ago
Jazz music gave birth to the drum set.
Begin your study here.
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drumfreakssite 1 year ago
I know traditional grip is widely used among jazz players, but doesn't it look like they have to work 10x harder to accomplish the same magnitude of chops as match? Idk, you always hear from the pros to go with whatever feels most natural, but I've never seen a beginner pick up sticks for the first time holding 'em traditional grip...thoughts?
et720 1 year ago
@et720 Trad calls for different muscle groups and therefore different parts of the brain. For me, it feels very natural to use when playing more intricate, delicate stuff. But I can pull of the same things either trad or matched. I think it really depends on the mood of the drummer. It's a good tool to have at a drummers disposal because it changes things up many levels, creatively, physically, psychologically & neurologically.
iutri 1 year ago
@et720 The only functionality of tradition grip was back in the old days where drummers would march with drums to the side of there hips. Other than that it has no purpose.
DeadlyNinjaDrummer 1 year ago
0:24 = ballin
SSselfsponsored 1 year ago
LOVE
intuantu 1 year ago
Don't get me wrong, Tony Williams is an really really good drummer, but I never really understood why he was such a legend. I've seen far more underrated drummers do stuff as good, if not better, than him.
fallingfromjupiter 1 year ago
@fallingfromjupiter listen to the drumming in Hand Jive by Miles Davis. Its on youtube but they wouldnt let me post the link
SSselfsponsored 1 year ago
@fallingfromjupiter In under to understand Tony's influence you have to "listen" to what he plays...His placement of rhythms and his energy makes him one of the greatest drummers..Remember there are thousands of drummers with monster chops but are they "interesting" and are they musical...???
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 well I've watched a bunch of solos by him since I posted that comment, but my opinion still hasn't changed. He's a great drummer for sure, ground breaking at the time maybe, but I see too many amazing drummers that go largely unnoticed, when Tony here goes down as a legend. Sure he's a great drummer, and I love his drumming, I just think he doesn't quite deserve all the recognition he has.
fallingfromjupiter 1 year ago
@fallingfromjupiter It's not the solos that make a great drummer...It's how they play in the tune...Tony does things that other drummers don't think of....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 yeah I watched him play songs too. I think I saw about 20 solos and songs all up, and I still think although he's a great drummer, I've seen better. Chops wise, groove wise, just better drummers. And most of them aren't anywhere near as well known as this guy.
fallingfromjupiter 1 year ago
@fallingfromjupiter
i don't know how old you are... but what you should try is... looking at the evolving of music at the time tony was on... with whom he played... and the impact of that collaboration was on the development of music in general...
the other thing is... even if you watched him playing "songs" too... you certainly didn't get all the creativity he put into all that music...
better drummers...???... on the level he was creating... its never about competition... its about music...
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful as any jazz drummer or musician would know, it is all about competition lol when someone outside of your group steps up on that bandstand to play with you on the same instrument, it's all about who can lay down harder. As for Tony, sure his beginnings with the 2nd great quintet are amazing but the path he continued on led to the decline in drumming. this video proves it, since when is trading all about playing as fast and as hard as you can? wheres the communication?
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
i'd suggest you listen to that drumming again... with an ear concentrating on the contents... the story that he tells with all that "fast" stuff... its not only about playing fast... its rather... what can you do with that stuff... as composing... or would you say he does always the same...?
as to communication... there is a very intensive communication here its just... if you'd expect something you knew from earlier guys... then go back to them... ;-)
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful "its not only about playing fast, its rather what you can do with that stuff." You said that and thats exactly my point lol and communication, you must not play the drums or you'd know what I was talking about. his counterparts play swung rhythms with breaks and melody while tony plays straight notes. I shouldn't have to go back to Max or Philly to hear good communication. I can listen to "Call It Anything" and Jack DeJohnette does a fine job of communicating.
slick82958 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful I think I'm just trying to make a point of what most don't see, that Williams just plays as fast and as hard as he can. While that's all well and good (i mean who doesn't like to beat up their drumset on a bad day?) I don't see how that makes him as high up as you or others claim.
slick82958 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful The 2nd quintet was amazing, I can listen to what Williams does in All Blues from The Complete 1964 concert all day long because it's just so genius. But that doesn't mean all of that continues on into these videos, think about it stewie, i'm just having a general discussion.
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
general discussion... cool enough...
i'm not someone who listens to tony 8 hours a day... but even on this video...although it might not have been his most creative day... can see his genius... he does 3 thing amazingly... entertains (hear the reaction of the audience)... he communicates..(as qouted above)... and composing.(using technical material but very creatively...to me certainly)... hes way might be a matter of taste but his impact of the modern music is clear even here..;-)
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful Tony is the one who should've been in a rock band and if we're talking about rock, not jazz, then that's cool. His modern impact is definitely clear, he started the decline of drumming. When you talk about rock drummers, there are bad, average or good. But jazz drummers before tony, hardly any were considered "bad" because it takes so much technique and talent to be able to keep up in a jazz standard. See what im saying?
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
well... wish you successful competing man...
i think tony was in the right band... in whatever music he played... and i think he became who he became because he wouldn't care about all those expectations of yours... ;-)
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful My expectations come from people like you who talked the man up so much without actually understanding the whole thing lol and no he became who he became because as a child, he was a drum prodigy and he worked to be the best, you know, competed. But apparently you like to dance around my points, so we shall end this since you have nothing to offer back to me, except.....talking....like....this.....=) Talk to you later kid.
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
well... as i came around he was already up there... all i see is there is great music here... and communication... that inspires me right away as a musician... and... no... providing the way he already played as he was 16 he didn't have to compete... miles called him anyway... your most important points seem to be my 3 points between my thoughts... and with all this "lol" stuff... who is the kid here...;-)...??... by the way... i have been living from music in the past 25 years...
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful You're not telling me anything though, i say how he started the decline of drumming, you didn't elaborate that at all. I compared to people before him as examples of how he declined and instead you shrugged it off with, "go listen to them." Communication in this music, the one instance with Tyner on this video is all you have (the diz and hubbard ones are a stretch) while if i find a song with miles and philly there are numerous instances. Do you listen to other drummers?
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
anyway... just keep listening to music like this.... sometime it will get to you too...
as this communication is getting to a level where don't really wanna go... lets just leave it at that... i could go on telling miles of tales... but it wouldn't do any good to you since... apart from your ignorance... you also decided to compete here too... well... it doesn't work like that...
peace
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful You yourself said you don't listen to him 8 hours a day, well that's what it takes. And this competing thing...go open up Miles autobiography, there are numerous instances were Miles says he competes against other trumpet players, are you going against Miles? the man who picked your drum prodigy, at age 17 by the way, not 16. I love WIlliams, I don't think you realize that but I'm not blind as to what's happening in this video or the other later ones. Tell me miles of tales?
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958 yes... he was 17 when miles called him... and he was 15 when he caught miles behind the stage asking him if he could sit in... tony's own words by the way... i didn't want to get elsewhere because thats not what you see in this video... but maybe you should check out his quintet... pure music... but also here is not enough place to get analytic... i wish we lived somewhere near so that we could continue by a drink or so...
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful If I'm so ignorant then go ahead, enlighten me because I love to learn. But i guarantee your next response will have nothing but insults and wording that is trying and get me going. At this point you're just starting to sound like you were trolling anyway. If you truly know all that you are claiming to know, then let's have a real conversation.
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958
also... as i've been teaching jazz piano the past 6 years in the university of music in hannover/germany... its kind of my job to know all one can about thees guys... of course i'm not quiet there yet, but one does what one can one step at a time....
yes i know the guys you mentioned... but to compare them in order to see who is better at what... is to me still the wrong way to look at the music... sorry pal...
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful Are you competing with me by telling me your background =) No I'm just messing with you, seriously, I'm glad to hear a real response from you...lot of trolls on youtube. I'm not talking about who's better though, you know? Tony is just an interesting case to me because I feel like he was so amazing in his earlier years and then i see videos like this and im just like, what? So, for later stuff that proves me wrong, what should I check out teach?
slick82958 1 year ago
agreed competition destroys music appreciation
music77ify 1 year ago
@slick82958
and... i'd say as long as music is about competition to you... well... you might be better off in a rock band... or maybe some fusion stuff... i don't know... but as long as you try to compete... you might not be free enough to create... my personal opinion...
if tony competes here... it is only with himself... if at all... but he does react to mccoy(1:13-1:30)... and then he is the one with the ideas that dizzy(0:49-1:04) and freddie(1:40-1:54) are picking up.. anyway... cheers.;-)
stewiewonderful 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful Again, you must not be in a group then man. Miles, Sonny, Diz, they've all said it before, when someone outside your group steps up on stage to "jam" with you, it becomes a competition to see who can keep up. Not unless you're saying that all of those musicians belonged in a rock band. Competition is what fuels creativity. When a drummer pulls out something amazing, i push to find something inside of me that's better. Regardless, Tony just bangs on those drums.
slick82958 1 year ago
@stewiewonderful the jazz drummers before tony knew how to speak on their drums and communicate with their counter parts on horns/rhythm instruments when they would trade. as others have stated, he created the blast beat and so on and so forth. most drummers just turned into cavemen after citing his years after the 2nd great quintet. I'll quote max roach, "it's not about how hard or how fast you can play" because anybody can build up speed.
slick82958 1 year ago
How about FREDDIE nad HERBIE on the same stage. AWESOME.
DUANESKEE 1 year ago
Tony was a child prodigy on the drums.When he came on the scene, alot of drummers had to get it together
dreadtodred 1 year ago
MAN, you CAN'T MESS withe "black dots" on TOP AND BOTTOM - EVIL!!!!
thedevil1473 1 year ago
double bass?! in jazz?!! whoa. this guy definitely inspired danney carey.
scotmunda90 1 year ago
@scotmunda90 Got some sour news for ya Jack.
Tony isn't using a double pedal. Check out his solo with Mulgrew Miller for some insane single foot speed.
cuthbertallgood711 1 year ago
It doesnt get any better than this!We should never again mention names like Jordison or Travis Barker after witnessing drum genius like Tony
Thomasgipsy 1 year ago
Simply amazing drummer. I was lucky enough to see him at a clinic. To me, it is a waste of time saying this drummer is better than that one. In their league they all are superb. When I saw him I was amazed at his technique, use of feet, 3 floor toms, etc. He played good improv, or fusion, like Lifetime with Allan Holdswoth. Thanks for sharing
aircavmedic 1 year ago
Jazz greats
axelfivenine 1 year ago
Tony kicks buddy's white ass in terms of feel
ThemJazzyBeats 1 year ago
@samm1809- yes! many great ones - Tony does stand alone because he did influence many others- he was always electrifying-!!!
brutal and crucial!!!!
davelewitt 1 year ago
Tony was awesome-
no other drummer can compare.
davelewitt 1 year ago
@davelewitt i can think of tons- but they've all declared being influenced by tony =]
samm1809 1 year ago
AWESOME!!! i love the little smile tony gives at the very end after he tears that S up!!!
looseidrummer 1 year ago
Tony's trading here is pure fire, some of the most brutal drumming I could imagine
jonwert 1 year ago
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Buddy rich was better..
Simple.
chandygarcia 1 year ago
@chandygarcia
Nonsense.
TheLastPictureShow 1 year ago
@TheLastPictureShow In the Big Band genre, afraid so.
williamson609 1 year ago
@williamson609
Tony virtually never played Big Band. In the small group setting, it's not even close.
TheLastPictureShow 1 year ago
@TheLastPictureShow I never said Tony played in big bands. He came in later, obviously in the 60's. I meant that in a big band setting, and his time (Buddy) was King.
williamson609 1 year ago
@chandygarcia Buddy had better chops but like Billy Cobham Buddy couldn't swing anywhere near as good as Tony and Tony is much morre interesting.....Just "listen"...
freein2339 1 year ago
its Mt.Fuji Jazz Festival
its Japan
wii6tomoki 1 year ago
damn
MyManDan 1 year ago
Cool I didn't know he played drums too, Richard Pryor was such a multi-talented dude.
MK360VAL 1 year ago
@MK360VAL ROTFLMAOOOOOO
darthvera 1 year ago
Tony Williams pretty much invented the blast beat, awesome. Such an amazing player. Jazz is amazing and something I strive to play at a good level someday.
cdvmark 1 year ago
Hippie is absolutely right!
MexicannCowboy 1 year ago
Ironically, HippieDrummer06, the last time I saw a metal drummer playing he used a much wider array of dynamics and feels than Tony is in this video. Don't be narrowminded, metal is a huge genre.
abyssalservant 1 year ago
That was excellent, Tony Williams, i love triplet syncopated flams,.....
muscritiq80 1 year ago
And fucktards want to argue w/me about who's better at the art of drumming. Portnoy or Tony.? Anybody who even considers Portard is a fuckeeeen dipshit.
Imsorry110 1 year ago
ron carter is fuckin rippin in the beggining didn't he die at a young age :(
hmcyo 1 year ago
@hmcyo ron carter's still alive.
nemrac76 1 year ago
It goes like this
Jazz-Fusion-Rock-Jazz-Fusrrion-Rockzz-Jazion-Fursikon-Rockzz-Jazion-Rockzz and then morphs into like Jafuzock
fcmilsweeper9 1 year ago
this guy loved jazz and rock music
doubts 2 years ago
OMG now I see from where came many of Wackerman´s and Peart´s stuff...
KingTabor 2 years ago
My opinion is that Peart can't even hold Tony's jockstrap. Tony was light years ahead in terms of...well...everything.
Everybody has taken something from Tony. Even those who don't know of him.
NewBreedOfDrummer 1 year ago 34
@NewBreedOfDrummer It's amazing how Neil's name comes up in the strangest places. As you said, no comparison. I absolutely love Peart's style and consider him a great progressive rock drummer. Tony is literally one of the giants in drumming history. His style and creativity were ahead of his time. A physically imposing drummer who's strength was very obvious behind the kit. The Tony Williams "Lifetime Collection" CD is the best drumming album I've heard. Alan Holdsworth on guitar. A must have.
SterlingRe 1 year ago
@NewBreedOfDrummer yah but thats not saying shit. Tony got all his stuff from other people to0
idrumkingdom223 1 year ago
@NewBreedOfDrummer You can not compare 2 different styles and say one is "better" than the other, is a Van Gohn better than a Renoir? well that depends on each individuals perspective. Harder doesn't always mean better. They each have their strength's and weaknesses, Peart is very controlled and Tony is more improvisational... is blue better than red? are oranges better than apples? just enjoy each for their artistic abilities and stop comparing.
lg123xyz 1 year ago
Sorry if I seemed pissed off, I just don't like Neil Peart. Haha.
On a lighter note, 1.38-1.45 is genius.
NewBreedOfDrummer 1 year ago
@NewBreedOfDrummer I don't like him either. He's really good, but waaayy too overrated, since after all he ONLY plays rock.
thisischris321 1 year ago
yeah i'd like to see Peart keep up with Herbie's comping
jayhawk333 1 year ago
Tony was a new school of Jazz. He broke away from the Buddy Rich/bigband paradigm. Tony practiced like hell, he could read music. He loved a big, bold drum sound and liked to tune his toms clearly. Unlike Buddy, Tony grooved in the pocket and used his toms to death. Notice you also hear his foot...he only feathered the kick when he had to. He was the consummate dynamic range player.
Acrylicdrums 2 years ago
i see you.
claybornwilliams 2 years ago
amazing Tony Williams
xsugikenjapan 2 years ago
tony うざいｗｗｗｗ
860326k 2 years ago
The cats play some real shit.
Very nice :-)
ConcertosLive 2 years ago 3
I love his smile at the end.
tigerslap 2 years ago
The greatest Bass player in the world
Ron Carter ... period !
mcmayspulliam 2 years ago
@mcmayspulliam Richard Davis is still alive! Ron is number 2 imo.
jibsmokestack1 1 year ago
Although they are trading 8s on this recording.
jazzbummer 2 years ago
Where are there any heavy metal bands who trade fours in their records?
jazzbummer 2 years ago
I don't care what he plays, that moustache makes everything right. Anyone know what video this is from?
jatteeee 2 years ago 2
i disagree i think they can not be a bad jazz drummer because to be able to handle the groove of jazz and the complex of it you gotta be good
but on the other hand metal drummers sometimes play your typical rock beat with the typical rock drum breaks but i must agree that there are some