Michele, what is the "Me and My Shadow" performance you used for this video? Her singing is operatic here. Such lengthy phrasing and beautiful tonal changes. It's perfect. Do you know what year/venue it is?
Those strange gestures were suggested to Susan Hayward by the lady who dubbed the voice. Perhaps Judy heard them too, and an understudy was ready for the vocals? Dunno. I thought Hayward was great and was sorry to see her get bottom billing. Garland was fascinating and I like her cuz she's a June 10 and I'm June 9. She was a "leatherlungs" like Piaf, also another complex one. Very good video, thank you. Fascinating.
I love her response about the pills! Here she was taking Phenobarbitals, Secconals, Nembutals, Dexamyls, Dexedrines, Benzedrines, Amobarbitals, Paraldahyde, and God knows what other uppers & downers (or in old Hollywood speak: "Bolts & Jolts") and she managed to sidestep the question BRILLIANTLY! I just love it!
What is wrong with clothing designers that they would make those hideous costumes for Judy to wear? And the wigs. Good grief. They make her look like she was wearing football gear on her shoulders and had no neck. I am glad she never made that trashy movie. Patty Duke was awful in it, too!
I see some of the younger MGM Judy, too. She does look much older than 44 but at certain times you see a much younger looking Judy in certain poses & facial expressions. I'm glad she didn't make the film. Judy no matter how great a performer she was, the scene when Neel rips off Helen's wig & degrading her by flushing it downthe toilet would NOT have been something fans would have wanted to see happen to Judy. Liza told Judy the same thing when Judy said she wanted to do the movie.
Thanks Dottie but your suggestion is too much for me! There is something haralious about this video. Poor Judy, that pillbox hat was years out of style. It is witty how she deflects the question about drugs, everyone knew she was an addict. As far as Jacqueline Susann goes- the authoress of this trash-I don't know if she is attempting to be Cleopatra or a 45 year old model for a demented Carnaby Street. That wig is frightful!
@ZarahLean Thank you, Zarah. I read on another page where this demented creep called you a bitch and such. I suggest it dig into Jack-o-lantern Susann's cancer ridden coffin and stay there with her sleaze novels . I'm sure she looks better now and maybe can write better, too. We should ignore its silly farts. When a list of great American writers is made, Capote will be on it- bewigged bucktooth won't.
"Beemerry" you are a sad and ill person who insults others on this board. Please join Jack Susan for a trip down cheap smut lane. Since Capote was a serious writer and your idol was a low class huckster, there is no contest.
Guess old Jackie Susann was on too many of her/his pills for this segment. She/he looks like a cross between a bewigged dimestore Cleopatra and someone who bought her outfit in the 99 cent store. Guess its hard work staying up late looking a porn to get ideas for her next novel.
@Dottiecurran Well I guess Truman Capote showed Jacqueline Susann who the real QUEEN was indeed back then! In-explicitly and controversially linked to her name FOREVER though, I would have to say Jacqueline got at least one good slap in there. Don't you think? Idol? Are you kidding? That was my little joke. FOOL...
The gall beemerry has to knock the writing of Truman Capote. See if you could do better. Susann had done a nasty and effeminate imitation of Capote on the radio, so Truman struck back. It was a riot! It is folly for a fan of Susann to call anyone a "homely drug addict". A looker she wasn't and guess how she learned about the worl of pills? We all know ALL her books were trash.
Truman Capote was no Dostoyevsky. Though highly stylized and brilliant at times, his writing was never truly profound, and he threw away his potential. Why would he make vicious and hurtful remarks about Jackie Susann on national television? A woman who simply had success selling books, and was also fighting serious cancer through-out most of her writing career. This was our great American Writer, a deliberately cruel, short, homely drug addict.
Truman Capote said on TV that Jackie Susann "looked like a truck driver in drag" and after gave an apology to truck drivers. Yes, Judy got the part and was fired. She was stoned. She was a great singer and it is sad that she took a part in a movie where she is being trashed (she was the model for the Patty Duke role). Susan Hayward took over the Garland role which was a parody of Ethel Merman. An awful film from a cheap book.
I noticed Susan Hayward is in this. I just bought some of her movies off of lovingtheclassics. If you are interested google it (lovingtheclassics) and you will find her actual movies and more.
Judy shone the brightest & looked her best when she was correctly lit & had the best makeup artist on hand. Dottie Ponadel who is responsible for Judy's "new look" around the time she began filming Meet Me in St.Louis in 1944. Vincente Minnelli knew how to bring out Judy's beauty even more so than in her earlier films. Maybe when being a guest on a tv show & when Judy the guest starred on a show, they didn't seem to light her as good. Judy was always beautiful & had a unique face. a real star.
Can someone please clear this up: Did Judy abscond with that brown dress which surfaced later that year during her engagement at the Palace or was it given to her??? Please, no speculation, what is the real dope?
I believe I've heard or read that Liza or Lorna had perhaps talked Judy out of doing DOLLS...probably Liza...that perhaps it may have not been a good idea to do the film, for Judy and her career and image...due to the subject matter of the film...what ever the case may be...I think I am glad Judy ended up not doing the film...but loved how you have put the video together Michele...thumbs up for sure...and a jillion stars! Thanks for sharing! :)
Ty Ty for the post. Just had to make one thing clear. Jolson insisted that he be given writers credit. He never wrote a note of music in his life nor wrote a lyric ! He was just a tremendously gifted ham!
Helen Lawson was supposedly based on Ethel Merman (with whom Jacqueline Susann had an affair); Neely O'Hara was based on Betty Hutton. No performer EVER had a Judy song cut from a performance, but Ethel cut one of Betty's songs when they appeared on Broadway together. Fascinating stuff.
The fact that she was ill became palpable at this point in time onward. Wonderful talent and gifted actress . . . cut way too short. Thank You for generously posting this.
The narrator mispronounced the name of director Mark Robson, which demonstrates a common problem with these documentaries... the people in charge don't really know their subject. The oddest thing about "Valley" was that, according to Liza, Judy hadn't read the book. And so it is possible Judy didn't know that the Neely character was based on her. All Judy knew was that the book was a smash hit and it could revitalize her film career. VD wasn't a regular TV series, it was a miniseries.
very well done Michele! Though Judy was very thin during her costume tests for VOTD, she looks glam as always. I especially like the white gown Travilla made for her. There seems to be a flash of the MGM Judy in that brief clip!
@cutandpaste1 Because she either didn't show up on time or was passed out in her dressing room half the time. She was in no condition to work.
xander7ful 3 months ago
44! She looks 70!
MrThesheenster 5 months ago
@MrThesheenster Drugs, alcohol and smoking= deadly combo. Ask Lindsay Lohan....
millers3888 5 months ago
Michele, what is the "Me and My Shadow" performance you used for this video? Her singing is operatic here. Such lengthy phrasing and beautiful tonal changes. It's perfect. Do you know what year/venue it is?
WilliamFogle 5 months ago
where and when is this "me and my shadow" from?
thank you?
bowmister 8 months ago
Those strange gestures were suggested to Susan Hayward by the lady who dubbed the voice. Perhaps Judy heard them too, and an understudy was ready for the vocals? Dunno. I thought Hayward was great and was sorry to see her get bottom billing. Garland was fascinating and I like her cuz she's a June 10 and I'm June 9. She was a "leatherlungs" like Piaf, also another complex one. Very good video, thank you. Fascinating.
slobomotion 10 months ago
She looked great with long hair at 1:30.
gjchaf2 11 months ago 2
such a shame those fuckers replaced her!
toemeraldcity 11 months ago 2
Judy was a wonderful lady. I wish the studios had treated her better. Talent and heart!
Christina5Archer 1 year ago 2
Lol oh Judy I love your Humor she always know the right thing to say =)
StefanieLovesJonas 1 year ago 3
It's sad that Judy didn't get to appear in"Valley Of The Dolls"as"Helen Lawson".
TheStanbabe 1 year ago
I love her response about the pills! Here she was taking Phenobarbitals, Secconals, Nembutals, Dexamyls, Dexedrines, Benzedrines, Amobarbitals, Paraldahyde, and God knows what other uppers & downers (or in old Hollywood speak: "Bolts & Jolts") and she managed to sidestep the question BRILLIANTLY! I just love it!
Dexie78 1 year ago
@RaeRae914
Your totally right.
MsJeffersonAirplane 1 year ago
HOLLYWOOD DISTROYED HER
RaeRae914 1 year ago
I'm glad she didn't do this role. It would have been all wrong for her. I know a lot of people felt that way then and still do.
xander7ful 1 year ago
@xander7ful I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
slobomotion 10 months ago
What is wrong with clothing designers that they would make those hideous costumes for Judy to wear? And the wigs. Good grief. They make her look like she was wearing football gear on her shoulders and had no neck. I am glad she never made that trashy movie. Patty Duke was awful in it, too!
jorobinson 1 year ago
I see some of the younger MGM Judy, too. She does look much older than 44 but at certain times you see a much younger looking Judy in certain poses & facial expressions. I'm glad she didn't make the film. Judy no matter how great a performer she was, the scene when Neel rips off Helen's wig & degrading her by flushing it downthe toilet would NOT have been something fans would have wanted to see happen to Judy. Liza told Judy the same thing when Judy said she wanted to do the movie.
NFitalianGuy 1 year ago 3
opps, sorry for the typo.
ZarahLean 1 year ago
Thanks Dottie but your suggestion is too much for me! There is something haralious about this video. Poor Judy, that pillbox hat was years out of style. It is witty how she deflects the question about drugs, everyone knew she was an addict. As far as Jacqueline Susann goes- the authoress of this trash-I don't know if she is attempting to be Cleopatra or a 45 year old model for a demented Carnaby Street. That wig is frightful!
ZarahLean 1 year ago
And, Beemerry, you can't write or spell (as we see below) so you are no judge.
ZarahLean 1 year ago
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BeemerryNYC 1 year ago
@ZarahLean Thank you, Zarah. I read on another page where this demented creep called you a bitch and such. I suggest it dig into Jack-o-lantern Susann's cancer ridden coffin and stay there with her sleaze novels . I'm sure she looks better now and maybe can write better, too. We should ignore its silly farts. When a list of great American writers is made, Capote will be on it- bewigged bucktooth won't.
Dottiecurran 1 year ago
"Beemerry" you are a sad and ill person who insults others on this board. Please join Jack Susan for a trip down cheap smut lane. Since Capote was a serious writer and your idol was a low class huckster, there is no contest.
ZarahLean 1 year ago
Guess old Jackie Susann was on too many of her/his pills for this segment. She/he looks like a cross between a bewigged dimestore Cleopatra and someone who bought her outfit in the 99 cent store. Guess its hard work staying up late looking a porn to get ideas for her next novel.
Dottiecurran 1 year ago
@Dottiecurran Well I guess Truman Capote showed Jacqueline Susann who the real QUEEN was indeed back then! In-explicitly and controversially linked to her name FOREVER though, I would have to say Jacqueline got at least one good slap in there. Don't you think? Idol? Are you kidding? That was my little joke. FOOL...
BeemerryNYC 1 year ago
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BeemerryNYC 1 year ago
The gall beemerry has to knock the writing of Truman Capote. See if you could do better. Susann had done a nasty and effeminate imitation of Capote on the radio, so Truman struck back. It was a riot! It is folly for a fan of Susann to call anyone a "homely drug addict". A looker she wasn't and guess how she learned about the worl of pills? We all know ALL her books were trash.
Dottiecurran 1 year ago
Truman Capote was no Dostoyevsky. Though highly stylized and brilliant at times, his writing was never truly profound, and he threw away his potential. Why would he make vicious and hurtful remarks about Jackie Susann on national television? A woman who simply had success selling books, and was also fighting serious cancer through-out most of her writing career. This was our great American Writer, a deliberately cruel, short, homely drug addict.
BeemerryNYC 1 year ago
Truman Capote said on TV that Jackie Susann "looked like a truck driver in drag" and after gave an apology to truck drivers. Yes, Judy got the part and was fired. She was stoned. She was a great singer and it is sad that she took a part in a movie where she is being trashed (she was the model for the Patty Duke role). Susan Hayward took over the Garland role which was a parody of Ethel Merman. An awful film from a cheap book.
ZarahLean 1 year ago
Love this. Thanks! Jackie was tops.
weskitten 1 year ago
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I noticed Susan Hayward is in this. I just bought some of her movies off of lovingtheclassics. If you are interested google it (lovingtheclassics) and you will find her actual movies and more.
a354174 1 year ago
Judy shone the brightest & looked her best when she was correctly lit & had the best makeup artist on hand. Dottie Ponadel who is responsible for Judy's "new look" around the time she began filming Meet Me in St.Louis in 1944. Vincente Minnelli knew how to bring out Judy's beauty even more so than in her earlier films. Maybe when being a guest on a tv show & when Judy the guest starred on a show, they didn't seem to light her as good. Judy was always beautiful & had a unique face. a real star.
NFitalianGuy 1 year ago
Can someone please clear this up: Did Judy abscond with that brown dress which surfaced later that year during her engagement at the Palace or was it given to her??? Please, no speculation, what is the real dope?
spagandtuna 1 year ago
I believe I've heard or read that Liza or Lorna had perhaps talked Judy out of doing DOLLS...probably Liza...that perhaps it may have not been a good idea to do the film, for Judy and her career and image...due to the subject matter of the film...what ever the case may be...I think I am glad Judy ended up not doing the film...but loved how you have put the video together Michele...thumbs up for sure...and a jillion stars! Thanks for sharing! :)
MrKingsRow 1 year ago
Ty Ty for the post. Just had to make one thing clear. Jolson insisted that he be given writers credit. He never wrote a note of music in his life nor wrote a lyric ! He was just a tremendously gifted ham!
damone77 1 year ago
Helen Lawson was supposedly based on Ethel Merman (with whom Jacqueline Susann had an affair); Neely O'Hara was based on Betty Hutton. No performer EVER had a Judy song cut from a performance, but Ethel cut one of Betty's songs when they appeared on Broadway together. Fascinating stuff.
FLBoy46 1 year ago
@FLBoy46 again with the rumor that Ethel and jackie had an affair. I think that it's unfair to claim this since it's an unsubstantiated myth.
damone77 1 year ago
Nice snap back with that loaded question about the pills - she could be so sharp, and she often was. :)
romantic2543 1 year ago
Our Judy owned those reporters!
MerleOberon 1 year ago
Thank You !! Do you have The version of "I'll plant my own tree" that Judy recorded. I know she recorded it before she was fired.
Cynlauperfan 1 year ago
@Cynlauperfan its on here,just type in her name n the song n you'll c her singing it
demigrl21 1 year ago
I loved Judy but she looked so much older than 44 at this point in her life.
billyboylb 1 year ago
The fact that she was ill became palpable at this point in time onward. Wonderful talent and gifted actress . . . cut way too short. Thank You for generously posting this.
Montavanni 1 year ago 3
The narrator mispronounced the name of director Mark Robson, which demonstrates a common problem with these documentaries... the people in charge don't really know their subject. The oddest thing about "Valley" was that, according to Liza, Judy hadn't read the book. And so it is possible Judy didn't know that the Neely character was based on her. All Judy knew was that the book was a smash hit and it could revitalize her film career. VD wasn't a regular TV series, it was a miniseries.
defundthewar 2 years ago 2
A rare treat!
jackric54 2 years ago 3
very well done Michele! Though Judy was very thin during her costume tests for VOTD, she looks glam as always. I especially like the white gown Travilla made for her. There seems to be a flash of the MGM Judy in that brief clip!
Eddy1963 2 years ago 14
"I find it prevalent around newspaper people" hahahaha CLASSIC!! Very witty lady was Judy.
AbeNW11 2 years ago 26