To bad Magic had to go out losing the finals with a hurt James Worthy, and Aids. The man definitely had another championship or 2 in his future, and would have set his assist record in an unreachable place had he played out his full career. He is my favorite player, and most unique player of all time.In my book he is the best of all time.
Majic johnson is definatly at leats in the top 5 of all time greats or eve top 4 all time greats and he is just as good as jordan and probably the best PG there is.
148 POINTS?!!!!! What a difference between now and back in the day of NBA. Now if they score over 100 points its A LOT!!!!!! damn they sure miss a lot nowadays
@vliegt what are you talking about it's the all star game. they did not score 148 in everyday games back then just like they don't now the score is always high in the all star game because it is a exibition and the players don't want to risk getting hurt playing defense hard in a game that has nothing to do with the regular season results
yea there will be another player like Magic. How many rings would he have had if he hadn't faced the other great teams and players in their prime? he faced the 76's, Pistons's Celtics and couldn't play because of injuries in twice. just something for you guys to ponder.
Yeah I'm not that crazy about him either...but the game you're talking about where Isiah and others supposedly did a "freeze-out" of Jordan was the 1985 All-Star game. This one's the 1992 All-Star game.
That was awesome!! He called him out and Jordan didn't deliver. I liked the fact that they let them go at it. But I hated the fact that the other team didn't let them go at it, instead they double team him and even hold him back but did that stop him? Fuck no! Magic shots are ugly but he can pull some shit out of his colon.
Jordan won Rookie of the Year, MVP, 4 scoring titles, and a DPOY from 85-90. His first 3 years in the league, he had a team of nobodies and they were playing the powerhouse Celtics in the playoffs with a losing record. And it took Pippen a couple of years to establish himself and the Bulls were losing to the Pistons. Despite this Jordan averaged 30+ each year in the playoffs against those Celt and Piston teams despite being the only legit threat on the team.
Jordan did nothing from 85-90. Jordan was never good alone, be either from 85-90 or even when he returned to the wizards. Johnson won one less title than jordan and he only played 13 years.
WHAT? Magic was on a team with HOF players in KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo as well as excellent players in Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes and Michael Cooper. You cannot discount Byron Scott who actual LED them in scoring a season or two.
Magic is more of the type of player I like but to even suggest he is in Jordan's league is moronic.
Magic could play all five positions OFFENSIVELY and is the greatest floor general in NBA history. However, his defense and shooting was questionable. He also played alongside two hall-of-famers the majority of his career.
MJ23 had no weaknesses. It's not his fault he was blessed with the ability to score at will. At least he shot nearly 50% and averaged 5 asts for a career. He's also arguably the greatest defender at his position, which is something that could never be said about Magic.
u cant say who was better cuz they were both so great (personally i think sasha vujcic is the greatest player of all-time). some say "DERP!...um i think magic was better cuz jordan was only a good athlete.DERP!" Now i respond their comment with a question: Isnt athleticism part of the game?
Jordan was great, but he didn't win any championships until phil jackson started coaching and made Jordan buy into his system. before that Jordan was winning shit! Magic won buy being a team player on offense and defense. he did from the start of his career. he is the greatest player ever, but he is humble enough not to say so. he is in life as he was when he played the game...unselfish!
WHAT? Magic was on a team with HOF players in KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo as well as excellent players in Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes and Michael Cooper. You cannot discount Byron Scott who actual LED them in scoring a season or two.
Magic is more of the type of player I like but to even suggest he is in Jordan's league is moronic.
first of all magic probably only says mj's better because whats he going to say hes better? no i tell all my friends they r better at something i dont say im better unless i hate them and mj and mj dont hate each other. sure i am a laker but u must b a laker or 80s fan to appreciate magics skill and hart for the game. sure mj had better records and shit but magic played in a very hard league at the time. he played bird and the celtics hakeem and the rockets! MAGIC ALL DAY p.s. magics a great man
Yes Jason you are exactly right. Casual fans don't understand basketball. Magic has more basketball skills than Jordan while Jordan was more athletic !! I love your eight words !!! Brilliant !! Thanks for posting a great comment !!!
Didnt the 1994 Bulls go 55-27 without Jordan. Ok now since those Bulls teams could do that, then les put 1987 Magic Johnson on the 1994 Bulls. They would have beaten te Knicks and Pacers and played the rockets in the 1994 Finals.
Horace Grant and Pippen were very underated and so was BJ Armstrong and th low post defense of Cartwright.
Magic is the best. He is the best player of all time. Jordan is a great player, but for me magic is no1. I dont know, maybe i think so because im a Lakers fan...
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MJ had hall of famer George Gervin the Iceman, 2nd leading rebounder at the time Charles Oakley and scorer Orlando Woolridge on his side early on. You can't cry poor to me. Dr. J won a title in his 3rd year as a pro truly carrying his team the Nets to the title. Magic won in his first year, it took Bird two. Point being there have been less fortunate situations than Jordans and they got it done. Jordan won 6 titles? We know. Bill Russell won 10. Now what.
Magic could score 2 points and still dominate a game. The ultimate team player. Jordan also didn't want any of Hakeem's Rockets in 94 and 95 so he waited until the possibly the only the other competitive team in the 90s to the Bulls were beatable. The Bulls beat good teams in the 90s but the 80s had 3 of the greatest teams of alltime competing with each other. More weight to them.
If I'm selecting my team of NBA players from their prime I'm taking Magic first over Jordan because Magic will get me the most out of the rest of my team. I've seen Magic's and Jordan's whole career and I have to give Magic the edge as the best.
Then I'll take MJ and we'll route you. At best Magic is half the player Jordan was, because there is absolutely no comparing them on the defensive end. MJ is the superior offensive player, anyway.
I think Magic was a better because he was a better leader. He led his HS, MSU and LA teams to championships, getting a variety of players to play together and win. Whereas Jordan needed a certain type of team placed around him.
And I think Magic loved camaraderie, and Jordan hated it. When any of Magic's teammates made a great play Magic would smile as if to say "I knew you could do it", and when Jordan's teammates shone Jordan would think to himself, "I can do better than that."
Certain kind of team? How many titles did Magic win without Kareem?
Put MJ with Kareem, you get the same amount or more titles. Let's see what kind of D a team would have with Kukoc, Kerr, and Magic on the floor at the same time.
I think I already answered that question. High school state championship, NCAA championship. And I think the reason is that he naturally takes to the leadership role. I don't think that is true of Jordan.
You are way off. Jordan won 6 NBA championships and an NCAA trophy. I might add that he hit the winning shot as a freshman.
So your claim is that Magic's high school state championship is worth so much more that Jordan's extra NBA championship that we can conclude Magic was a superior leader. Weak.
Jordan was a minor player in the Dean Smith show. Magic ran the MSU team, Jud Heathcote never managed that kind of success without Magic.
I am old enough to have seen both of those games and Magic was masterful against ISU, changing up the strategy they had used all year and outwitting the other team. Jordan on the other hand was lost on the floor.
To quote an old addage "give me the boy at 7 and I will show you the man."
Hmm. Lost. That does sound like Jordan. Above the inherent foolishness of your position, the fact that you use such overbearing exaggeration makes you sound barely sensible.
You also continue to ignore the fact that Magic never won anything without the most dominant offensive big-man of all-time. I don't count the NCAA and high school stuff because they're different games. If they weren't, we might be including Christian Laettner and Danny Ferry in this argument.
Laettner and Ferry are similar to Jordan, they needed a good team around them and a smart coach to lead it, without such they failed. Whereas Magic took control of a team and could adjust the game plan of all five players, this is beyond the capabilities of Jordan. Jordan was a great player, but you could not simply drop him into any situation and watch him thrive the way Magic did.
Magic, from the moment he entered the league, played with another top-five NBA player. Jordan didn't have a hall-of-fame level player on his squad until Pippen finally developed around 89-90.
Look at the rosters of Magic's teams. He played with MacAdoo and Worthy, two more hall of famers, and an endless list of high-quality players like michael Cooper and Byron Scott.
MJ won with often terrible teammates. Luc Longley in the starting line up? MJ is the one who won in a tough situation.
True, the Lakers in their prime were better than the Bulls in their prime, as were the Celtics. As the superior era of team ball faded, Jordan ushered in the NBA's weaker diva years, typified by his cancerous narcissism (i.e. demanding a separate cabin on the team plane), a downward trend that leads ultimately to the USA being less than competitive in the sport.
Once again, rediculous hyperbole to support a weak point. You are the one who said Magic could win with anyone, yet he only won with other hall of famers, one in particular. Jordan literally had ONE all-star level player to run with. And he beat Magic with that squad.
Your argument crumbles around you and all you can manage is laughable overstatement.
Jordan could not have been dropped in to the moderately talented MSU team and led them to a national championship. He could not have been dropped in to the Lakers and led them to an NBA title against the Celtics when they were at their best. He's a very coordinated athlete, but he hates the fact that basketball is a team game.
Not only is that speculation, but I would STRONGLY disagree with that. Give Jordan Kareem and Worthy, Michael Cooper and others, and I bet you get just as many, if not more titles.
Put Magic on a team with a washed up ron harper, Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley as your starting center, with only Pippen as a consistent offensive threat. That team goes nowhere. Hell, Magic couldn't have won with Jordan's superior teams from 91-93.
Kareem was a great center but he was also a brooding introvert with no interest in being a floor general. Only later in his career did he stabilize emotionally. Jordan's narcissism would have been fuel on that fire. A team of great athletes needs a leader that relishes their talent (Magic) not resents it (Jordan).
That is one-hundred percent blind speculation. There is absolutely no way for you to predict how that would have turned out. You can think whatever you like, but using that as some sort of definitive proof that Magic was a superior player is at best, useless.
MSU had moderate talent and a tired coach; when they turned to Magic and said what should we do he would say, "lets outsmart them by doing x, y and z" and they would win. Had they turned to Jordan he would have said, "Let me shoot 45 or 50 times, and if I'm hot, we might win"
Magic's always inspired his teammates and orchestrated their play. Jordan has never had either of these abilities. Jordan has never been the leader of the band, only a talented yet temperamental instrumentalist.
hmm.. jordan came to one of the worst teams in the NBA, the washington wizards and brought a spark back into the organization and ever since have been doing well.
and if jordan wanted to take every shot in the game, why did he allow people like john paxon and steve kerr take shots with the most impact in championship games that may have altered his 6 rings to 4?
Jordan's stint with the Wizards was a disastrous vanity project ending with owner Abe Pollin firing Jordan because he made one bad move after another (trades, draft picks, etc..) . You should read the Washington Post article from april 22, 2005 on how the only reason the Wizards were able to turn it around is because they got rid of Jordan and every overpaid crony (and worshiper) he hired.
Even when he was on the floor they went from poor to only passable.
lol i know of the horrids he did while in washington, ESPECIALLY the drafting of kwame brown, but he finally got those idiots to actually do something. good enough for me. i'll take the current wizards over the 60 loss wizards of the early 2000's any day of the week.
You're exactly right, MJ immediately improved the wizards when he joined them, despite having debilitating knee problems. Jordan is GOAT, and it's not close.
lol i would know too, I LIVE IN DC. i was just shocked and unbelievably happy to see my favorite player of all time lace it up again for a third time for our franchise that was in disarray. it didn't matter how old he was or what was left in him. the fact that he was playing for our team made EVERYONE not only in washington DC, but then entire country do a double take, like HUH?!!?!?! JORDAN'S BACK!!
now we get some great players in this revived franchise. thanks for everything mj! lol :)
Magic could play all 5 positions, Jordan could not, and while Larry and Magic and Isiah were winning titles, Jordan was denied entry in the 80s. In fact Jordan is 0-6 with 2 sweeps against Larry Bird and the Celtics. No one is perfect, not even Mr.Jordan who had to wait, like other players for those great 80s teams to fade before winning.
Finally someone who is a student of the game & not a student of Sportscenter understands. When Magic is on the floor all 5 players are a threat the entire game. Not so with Jordan. Magic is the best ever, the Jordan gawkers just don't know it due to his success in the weak 90's. But atleast Utfanatic2000 has been educated by me.
Congrats. Magic and everyone else who played against Jordan knows he's the best. Why? Because he destroyed every one of them. First as an individual. Then with his team. He was the ultimate individual player who learned how to win. He was the most efficient player in NBA history. He was without question the most unstoppable. He had his best games at the biggest moments.
All the players who watched him demolish the league during its most competitive era understand this.
Also, that's such a weak comparisson. Who was MJ running with in the 80's? Bird and Magic had squads loaded with multiple hall of famers. No one argues that Jordan must be a better player because he dominated Bird after his back went out. Compare their best teams, otherwise you're just building a straw man.
Furthermore, Jordan individually dominated all of those teams.
Riiiiight. Jordan was afraid to stick Magic. Let's also notice how easily Jordan got that shot off on Magic. It just didn't go in. Magic might as well have been a cardboard cut-out Jordan blew by him so quickly.
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails.
You print the stats & then look to me to analyze & interpet them. That's why I'm here Stat Boy. I'm here for you. MJ's titles are light-weight coming from the weak 90's. The mighty & legendary 80's is where the heavy-weights were. The same 80's that held MJ ringless until the girl scouts 90's came along.
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong.
YOU:Print & Read ME:Dissect,break it down,analyz, & offer conclusions.
Stay on that island all by yourself thinking the 91 Lakers were on the same level as Showtime just because of stats in a weak era. The majority of intelligent fans are laughing at you Stat Boy. You sure are desperate to upgrade MJ's titles from light-weight to heavy-weight, but I am here for you. I care too much to leave you in your stupidity.
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
Actually kid, you might want to get that brain checked. You are pretty much the only person in the world who thinks Magic is better than MJ. Even Magic disagrees with you! hah. You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong.
I don't think Magic is better than Jordan. I KNOW IT STAT BOY! Jordan is more talented, but Magic is the better player. And I (along with smart bball fans) know that the 91 Lakers are not near the same level as Showtime. Maybe Jack Nicholas can straighten out your over-loaded "stat" brain. That's why thinkers like me are needed in this sport because of "fax machines" like you...RECEIVE..PRINT..RECEIVE..PRINT..no thinking required. HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
Actually, you don't know anything. Certain goofballs believe global warming doesn't exist as well, so you are welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want, but all the evidence contradicts you. Most of the rest of the world disagrees with you because they can accept reality and aren't deluded by bias, as you are.
Most of the sports world doesn't believe the 91 Lakers are equal to Showtime because of some stats...Stat Boy! So you can jump in that hot pot of water that you boiled for me..HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! Boy are you STUPID! HA!HA!HA!HA! How many times do I have clean your clock at your own game...HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!...AH..HA!HA!HA!HA! Leave the thinking to me Stat Boy. Leave the thinking to me!
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
Sorry kid, you haven't analyzed a single thing or provided a single shred of evidence. Your weak position therefore fails for lack of support. Learn the difference between facts and opinions and learn that unless you have something to base your opinions are, they are worthless, as yours currently are.
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
Actually kid, you might want to get that brain checked. You are pretty much the only person in the world who thinks Magic is better than MJ. Even Magic disagrees with you! hah. You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong. Waiting for ANY evidence from you...waiting...waiting...
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
Calling the 91 Lakers close to the greatness of Showtime makes you a dunce...hee...hee...hee. How's the weather on that lonesome island? hee...hee...hee
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails.
These guys are legends, but nowadays the game is a lot tighter
lin2k4 4 days ago
@TheCommentator2011 False logic after seeing the 1991 Finals.
103Uke 2 months ago
Jordan is my favorite ever. But he just got pooped on.
ShotuTeeheeM16 4 months ago
@1bounce234 both Kobe and Magic are better than Michael
STILLNOTFAMOUS777 4 months ago
No se olviden de Kareem Abdul Jabba !!
jde56 5 months ago
Magic is the greatest EVER.
MIvarsson99 8 months ago
To bad Magic had to go out losing the finals with a hurt James Worthy, and Aids. The man definitely had another championship or 2 in his future, and would have set his assist record in an unreachable place had he played out his full career. He is my favorite player, and most unique player of all time.In my book he is the best of all time.
JTM45100 8 months ago
@vliegt its an allstar game thats not a big deal lol
wmicah3111 8 months ago
If magic johnson was in the Chicago, basketball story would be definitely change.
tkwk1433 1 year ago
The score being high? It was an All-Star game, for fucks sake; an exhibition. Some people here seem to be confusing this with a real game.
hautelick 1 year ago
Also him being a globetrotter helped him alot and just made him even cooler as a player and more enjoyable to watch ;D
KanameKashita 1 year ago
Majic johnson is definatly at leats in the top 5 of all time greats or eve top 4 all time greats and he is just as good as jordan and probably the best PG there is.
KanameKashita 1 year ago
@KanameKashita it goes like this: Air Jordan > Magic Johnson, Air jordan > Larry Bird, Larry Bird < Magic Johnson.
hyperShadicDhedgehog 11 months ago
those are the best allstar uniforms EVER!!!!!!!
ronartestballstoper 1 year ago
148 pts...thats a lot of points
tto1095 1 year ago
We are talking here about basketball man check out NBAPremium(.)tk to see what i mean ^^ This should be bookmarked for every NBA fan
shiterksu 1 year ago
Pretty cool of Drexler to make sure Magic got the ball back. Refreshing with all the "me first" athletes out there.
cubsfan4life33 1 year ago
MAGIC= GOAT, the rest of the players are imitation.
mjjacar 2 years ago
get out of the freking way isiah, isiaah is such a punk look how he doesnt even switch on defense when jordan covers magic.
megamanzeldalink 2 years ago
153? dios santo
east33mind 2 years ago
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lebron is king
r0cker1992 2 years ago
ur an idiot..magic all day
stuperman634 2 years ago
Magic Johnson qua lo ha umiliato a michael jordan!!! 2 grandi campionissimi tutti e due pero!!! :-)
Pierluigi89Leone 2 years ago
magic oooopppps his asss
commonjrod 2 years ago
are you retarded? thats an all star game. off course it;s a high scoring. even now. all star games here is a high scoring idiot.
paolosniper1 2 years ago
148 POINTS?!!!!! What a difference between now and back in the day of NBA. Now if they score over 100 points its A LOT!!!!!! damn they sure miss a lot nowadays
vliegt 2 years ago 6
@vliegt nah the defense went up
lordnooband 1 year ago
@vliegt what are you talking about it's the all star game. they did not score 148 in everyday games back then just like they don't now the score is always high in the all star game because it is a exibition and the players don't want to risk getting hurt playing defense hard in a game that has nothing to do with the regular season results
kineticfuzz 1 year ago
@vliegt if the raptors score avoer 100 everyone gets free pizza (Y)
serbianguner 1 year ago
@vliegt
It's a game full of all-stars, not one or two superstars, some good players and role players
the 2010 game had the east winning with 141 and the 2009 game had the west winning with 146
Paragon231 1 year ago
@vliegt this is the all-star game. It's for fun and there's a LOT of scoring.
Mazarae 1 year ago
@vliegt
You know this an all-star game right? Last year, the West scored 146.
aballafoshow 10 months ago
@vliegt noot to mention D was better in the past
dekomondo 7 months ago
@vliegt it's an all star game. very little defense and lots given up fast breaks for dunks
Jdoug92 7 months ago
MAGIC !!
bluffmaster2k9 2 years ago
Jordan n Magic> Kobe n Lebron
ANY DAY OF THE WEEK N TWICE ON SUNDAY!
1bounce234 2 years ago 12
well yeah of course cuz jordan and magic are like the greatest legends of all time and lebron and kobe are good but are no match for magic and jordan
yeongil1 2 years ago
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1bounce234 2 years ago
why bother talking...
stuperman634 2 years ago
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Lebron is not at his best yet.
As far as Kobe and Jordan... kind of a push.
James92802 2 years ago
"Kobe and Jordan...kind of a push."
Kind of a push??? Take a look at Finals MVP Awards 6 to 1 in favor of MJ. Kobe doesn't touch MJ dude, don't make me laugh.
1bounce234 2 years ago
Yeah yeah yeah, I know Kobe sucks.
James92802 2 years ago
I didn't say he sucks. If his career ended today he'd be ranked somewhere between 5-10 for all-time greats IMO.
That said he's not up to par w/MJ.
1bounce234 2 years ago
@1bounce234 why even mention kobe and bron because ita just an insult comparing those two too the 2 greatest ever
animebrawler 1 year ago
Just tryin to educate today's youth. In a way I can't really now blame them. They don't know any better due to ignorance.
1bounce234 1 year ago
LoL
Isaiah in the begining.
ccchrv 3 years ago
lol. Go Magic! :-)
Zeeboe 3 years ago
the geniuses do not compare, we must enjoy them each in their own way!! Magic and Jordan forever the "guys"!
barata2 3 years ago
yea there will be another player like Magic. How many rings would he have had if he hadn't faced the other great teams and players in their prime? he faced the 76's, Pistons's Celtics and couldn't play because of injuries in twice. just something for you guys to ponder.
LovesDayDream 3 years ago
who is the one at the beginning? looks like a strt baller
PICKER132 3 years ago
Yeah, that was a great air ball.
JonO387 3 years ago
The first guy was Isiah Thomas
lethaldrago0n 3 years ago
i hate isiah he looks like a homicidal rapist!
correct me if im wrong isn't that the all-star game were neither of Jordan's "team " members passed MJ the Ball?
i only thumbs downed your comment because you said isiah thomas
DJaywuzhere 3 years ago
Yeah I'm not that crazy about him either...but the game you're talking about where Isiah and others supposedly did a "freeze-out" of Jordan was the 1985 All-Star game. This one's the 1992 All-Star game.
lethaldrago0n 3 years ago
That was awesome!! He called him out and Jordan didn't deliver. I liked the fact that they let them go at it. But I hated the fact that the other team didn't let them go at it, instead they double team him and even hold him back but did that stop him? Fuck no! Magic shots are ugly but he can pull some shit out of his colon.
wanderer78 3 years ago
MJ IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME
But im not talking bout jordan
Magic Johnson its to bad his career was cut a little short.
jCherrey13 3 years ago 4
Jordan won Rookie of the Year, MVP, 4 scoring titles, and a DPOY from 85-90. His first 3 years in the league, he had a team of nobodies and they were playing the powerhouse Celtics in the playoffs with a losing record. And it took Pippen a couple of years to establish himself and the Bulls were losing to the Pistons. Despite this Jordan averaged 30+ each year in the playoffs against those Celt and Piston teams despite being the only legit threat on the team.
All worked out from then on.
ClipCoug 3 years ago
Magic + Jordan. the greatest of all time
porris111 3 years ago 3
magic's shot looks so sloppy, but magically it works
ConstructionMadness 3 years ago 2
I just posted the same thing on a different vid. I said that his shots were ugly but his passes were awesome!
wanderer78 3 years ago
Jordan did nothing from 85-90. Jordan was never good alone, be either from 85-90 or even when he returned to the wizards. Johnson won one less title than jordan and he only played 13 years.
yepyepok 3 years ago
jordan did fine with the wizards...i intensely dislike people who say otherwise its ignorant.
His first year on the wizards he had NO ONE on his team and won something like 6 more games than he lost despite injuries.
zeejustin6 3 years ago
Yet, the Wizards still never had a winning record with him.
suaved 3 years ago
WHAT? Magic was on a team with HOF players in KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo as well as excellent players in Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes and Michael Cooper. You cannot discount Byron Scott who actual LED them in scoring a season or two.
Magic is more of the type of player I like but to even suggest he is in Jordan's league is moronic.
mbos124 3 years ago
Magic could play all five positions OFFENSIVELY and is the greatest floor general in NBA history. However, his defense and shooting was questionable. He also played alongside two hall-of-famers the majority of his career.
MJ23 had no weaknesses. It's not his fault he was blessed with the ability to score at will. At least he shot nearly 50% and averaged 5 asts for a career. He's also arguably the greatest defender at his position, which is something that could never be said about Magic.
KendrickJobe1 3 years ago
u cant say who was better cuz they were both so great (personally i think sasha vujcic is the greatest player of all-time). some say "DERP!...um i think magic was better cuz jordan was only a good athlete.DERP!" Now i respond their comment with a question: Isnt athleticism part of the game?
LongcatTacgnol 3 years ago
Jordan was great, but he didn't win any championships until phil jackson started coaching and made Jordan buy into his system. before that Jordan was winning shit! Magic won buy being a team player on offense and defense. he did from the start of his career. he is the greatest player ever, but he is humble enough not to say so. he is in life as he was when he played the game...unselfish!
LovesDayDream 3 years ago
WHAT? Magic was on a team with HOF players in KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo as well as excellent players in Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes and Michael Cooper. You cannot discount Byron Scott who actual LED them in scoring a season or two.
Magic is more of the type of player I like but to even suggest he is in Jordan's league is moronic.
mbos124 3 years ago
first of all magic probably only says mj's better because whats he going to say hes better? no i tell all my friends they r better at something i dont say im better unless i hate them and mj and mj dont hate each other. sure i am a laker but u must b a laker or 80s fan to appreciate magics skill and hart for the game. sure mj had better records and shit but magic played in a very hard league at the time. he played bird and the celtics hakeem and the rockets! MAGIC ALL DAY p.s. magics a great man
Jrizz88 3 years ago
Wrong. I watched the entire careers of both and agree with Magic himself when he says Jordan is the greatest of all time, and there is no debate.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
Yes Jason you are exactly right. Casual fans don't understand basketball. Magic has more basketball skills than Jordan while Jordan was more athletic !! I love your eight words !!! Brilliant !! Thanks for posting a great comment !!!
sh97 3 years ago
Didnt the 1994 Bulls go 55-27 without Jordan. Ok now since those Bulls teams could do that, then les put 1987 Magic Johnson on the 1994 Bulls. They would have beaten te Knicks and Pacers and played the rockets in the 1994 Finals.
Horace Grant and Pippen were very underated and so was BJ Armstrong and th low post defense of Cartwright.
bscottdp 3 years ago
yeah but pippen started crying over sum dum crap and they lost, thats not being great.
ALEX2363 3 years ago
Magic is the best. He is the best player of all time. Jordan is a great player, but for me magic is no1. I dont know, maybe i think so because im a Lakers fan...
MrKobe81 3 years ago 4
mj,amazing.
-mj
-pipen
-magic
-barckley
others.
imanolla12 3 years ago
isiah and jordan tried gang rape magic
dv122 4 years ago
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On the Dream Team, it was clear that Magic and Larry were the leaders 1 and 1a. Everyone else had to fall in including Michael.
Kenai123 4 years ago
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MJ had hall of famer George Gervin the Iceman, 2nd leading rebounder at the time Charles Oakley and scorer Orlando Woolridge on his side early on. You can't cry poor to me. Dr. J won a title in his 3rd year as a pro truly carrying his team the Nets to the title. Magic won in his first year, it took Bird two. Point being there have been less fortunate situations than Jordans and they got it done. Jordan won 6 titles? We know. Bill Russell won 10. Now what.
Kenai123 4 years ago
I loved watching both players. But make mine MAGIC!!!!!!!
formeyousee 4 years ago
Magic could score 2 points and still dominate a game. The ultimate team player. Jordan also didn't want any of Hakeem's Rockets in 94 and 95 so he waited until the possibly the only the other competitive team in the 90s to the Bulls were beatable. The Bulls beat good teams in the 90s but the 80s had 3 of the greatest teams of alltime competing with each other. More weight to them.
Kenai123 4 years ago
Haha. What? Jordan retired to avoid the Rockets? I'm reading that as a joke.
TBlake34 4 years ago
If I'm selecting my team of NBA players from their prime I'm taking Magic first over Jordan because Magic will get me the most out of the rest of my team. I've seen Magic's and Jordan's whole career and I have to give Magic the edge as the best.
1lofob 4 years ago
Then I'll take MJ and we'll route you. At best Magic is half the player Jordan was, because there is absolutely no comparing them on the defensive end. MJ is the superior offensive player, anyway.
TBlake34 4 years ago
I think Magic was a better because he was a better leader. He led his HS, MSU and LA teams to championships, getting a variety of players to play together and win. Whereas Jordan needed a certain type of team placed around him.
And I think Magic loved camaraderie, and Jordan hated it. When any of Magic's teammates made a great play Magic would smile as if to say "I knew you could do it", and when Jordan's teammates shone Jordan would think to himself, "I can do better than that."
augieaugie2 4 years ago
Certain kind of team? How many titles did Magic win without Kareem?
Put MJ with Kareem, you get the same amount or more titles. Let's see what kind of D a team would have with Kukoc, Kerr, and Magic on the floor at the same time.
TBlake34 4 years ago
I think I already answered that question. High school state championship, NCAA championship. And I think the reason is that he naturally takes to the leadership role. I don't think that is true of Jordan.
augieaugie2 4 years ago
You are way off. Jordan won 6 NBA championships and an NCAA trophy. I might add that he hit the winning shot as a freshman.
So your claim is that Magic's high school state championship is worth so much more that Jordan's extra NBA championship that we can conclude Magic was a superior leader. Weak.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Jordan was a minor player in the Dean Smith show. Magic ran the MSU team, Jud Heathcote never managed that kind of success without Magic.
I am old enough to have seen both of those games and Magic was masterful against ISU, changing up the strategy they had used all year and outwitting the other team. Jordan on the other hand was lost on the floor.
To quote an old addage "give me the boy at 7 and I will show you the man."
augieaugie2 4 years ago
Hmm. Lost. That does sound like Jordan. Above the inherent foolishness of your position, the fact that you use such overbearing exaggeration makes you sound barely sensible.
You also continue to ignore the fact that Magic never won anything without the most dominant offensive big-man of all-time. I don't count the NCAA and high school stuff because they're different games. If they weren't, we might be including Christian Laettner and Danny Ferry in this argument.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Laettner and Ferry are similar to Jordan, they needed a good team around them and a smart coach to lead it, without such they failed. Whereas Magic took control of a team and could adjust the game plan of all five players, this is beyond the capabilities of Jordan. Jordan was a great player, but you could not simply drop him into any situation and watch him thrive the way Magic did.
augieaugie2 4 years ago
Magic, from the moment he entered the league, played with another top-five NBA player. Jordan didn't have a hall-of-fame level player on his squad until Pippen finally developed around 89-90.
Look at the rosters of Magic's teams. He played with MacAdoo and Worthy, two more hall of famers, and an endless list of high-quality players like michael Cooper and Byron Scott.
MJ won with often terrible teammates. Luc Longley in the starting line up? MJ is the one who won in a tough situation.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Furthermore, please remind me how many NBA titles Magic won without top-five all-timer Kareem.
TBlake34 4 years ago
True, the Lakers in their prime were better than the Bulls in their prime, as were the Celtics. As the superior era of team ball faded, Jordan ushered in the NBA's weaker diva years, typified by his cancerous narcissism (i.e. demanding a separate cabin on the team plane), a downward trend that leads ultimately to the USA being less than competitive in the sport.
augieaugie2 4 years ago
Once again, rediculous hyperbole to support a weak point. You are the one who said Magic could win with anyone, yet he only won with other hall of famers, one in particular. Jordan literally had ONE all-star level player to run with. And he beat Magic with that squad.
Your argument crumbles around you and all you can manage is laughable overstatement.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Jordan could not have been dropped in to the moderately talented MSU team and led them to a national championship. He could not have been dropped in to the Lakers and led them to an NBA title against the Celtics when they were at their best. He's a very coordinated athlete, but he hates the fact that basketball is a team game.
augieaugie2 4 years ago
Not only is that speculation, but I would STRONGLY disagree with that. Give Jordan Kareem and Worthy, Michael Cooper and others, and I bet you get just as many, if not more titles.
Put Magic on a team with a washed up ron harper, Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley as your starting center, with only Pippen as a consistent offensive threat. That team goes nowhere. Hell, Magic couldn't have won with Jordan's superior teams from 91-93.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Kareem was a great center but he was also a brooding introvert with no interest in being a floor general. Only later in his career did he stabilize emotionally. Jordan's narcissism would have been fuel on that fire. A team of great athletes needs a leader that relishes their talent (Magic) not resents it (Jordan).
augieaugie2 4 years ago
That is one-hundred percent blind speculation. There is absolutely no way for you to predict how that would have turned out. You can think whatever you like, but using that as some sort of definitive proof that Magic was a superior player is at best, useless.
TBlake34 4 years ago 4
MSU had moderate talent and a tired coach; when they turned to Magic and said what should we do he would say, "lets outsmart them by doing x, y and z" and they would win. Had they turned to Jordan he would have said, "Let me shoot 45 or 50 times, and if I'm hot, we might win"
Magic's always inspired his teammates and orchestrated their play. Jordan has never had either of these abilities. Jordan has never been the leader of the band, only a talented yet temperamental instrumentalist.
augieaugie2 4 years ago
hmm.. jordan came to one of the worst teams in the NBA, the washington wizards and brought a spark back into the organization and ever since have been doing well.
and if jordan wanted to take every shot in the game, why did he allow people like john paxon and steve kerr take shots with the most impact in championship games that may have altered his 6 rings to 4?
KOkun 4 years ago
Jordan's stint with the Wizards was a disastrous vanity project ending with owner Abe Pollin firing Jordan because he made one bad move after another (trades, draft picks, etc..) . You should read the Washington Post article from april 22, 2005 on how the only reason the Wizards were able to turn it around is because they got rid of Jordan and every overpaid crony (and worshiper) he hired.
Even when he was on the floor they went from poor to only passable.
augieaugie2 4 years ago 2
lol i know of the horrids he did while in washington, ESPECIALLY the drafting of kwame brown, but he finally got those idiots to actually do something. good enough for me. i'll take the current wizards over the 60 loss wizards of the early 2000's any day of the week.
KOkun 4 years ago
You're exactly right, MJ immediately improved the wizards when he joined them, despite having debilitating knee problems. Jordan is GOAT, and it's not close.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
lol i would know too, I LIVE IN DC. i was just shocked and unbelievably happy to see my favorite player of all time lace it up again for a third time for our franchise that was in disarray. it didn't matter how old he was or what was left in him. the fact that he was playing for our team made EVERYONE not only in washington DC, but then entire country do a double take, like HUH?!!?!?! JORDAN'S BACK!!
now we get some great players in this revived franchise. thanks for everything mj! lol :)
KOkun 3 years ago
Magic could play all 5 positions, Jordan could not, and while Larry and Magic and Isiah were winning titles, Jordan was denied entry in the 80s. In fact Jordan is 0-6 with 2 sweeps against Larry Bird and the Celtics. No one is perfect, not even Mr.Jordan who had to wait, like other players for those great 80s teams to fade before winning.
Kenai123 4 years ago
Finally someone who is a student of the game & not a student of Sportscenter understands. When Magic is on the floor all 5 players are a threat the entire game. Not so with Jordan. Magic is the best ever, the Jordan gawkers just don't know it due to his success in the weak 90's. But atleast Utfanatic2000 has been educated by me.
formeyousee 4 years ago
Ask Magic who the best was.
TBlake34 4 years ago
I've dealt with that one already several times in this post. Read below.
formeyousee 4 years ago
Congrats. Magic and everyone else who played against Jordan knows he's the best. Why? Because he destroyed every one of them. First as an individual. Then with his team. He was the ultimate individual player who learned how to win. He was the most efficient player in NBA history. He was without question the most unstoppable. He had his best games at the biggest moments.
All the players who watched him demolish the league during its most competitive era understand this.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Also, that's such a weak comparisson. Who was MJ running with in the 80's? Bird and Magic had squads loaded with multiple hall of famers. No one argues that Jordan must be a better player because he dominated Bird after his back went out. Compare their best teams, otherwise you're just building a straw man.
Furthermore, Jordan individually dominated all of those teams.
TBlake34 4 years ago
I like how Magic defenses up Jordan and then Jordan runs away and leaves Isaiah alone to guard Magic. Funny!
formeyousee 4 years ago
Riiiiight. Jordan was afraid to stick Magic. Let's also notice how easily Jordan got that shot off on Magic. It just didn't go in. Magic might as well have been a cardboard cut-out Jordan blew by him so quickly.
TBlake34 4 years ago
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You print the stats & then look to me to analyze & interpet them. That's why I'm here Stat Boy. I'm here for you. MJ's titles are light-weight coming from the weak 90's. The mighty & legendary 80's is where the heavy-weights were. The same 80's that held MJ ringless until the girl scouts 90's came along.
formeyousee 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
YOU:Tonto ME:Lone Ranger
YOU:Robin ME:Batman
YOU:Print & Read ME:Dissect,break it down,analyz, & offer conclusions.
Stay on that island all by yourself thinking the 91 Lakers were on the same level as Showtime just because of stats in a weak era. The majority of intelligent fans are laughing at you Stat Boy. You sure are desperate to upgrade MJ's titles from light-weight to heavy-weight, but I am here for you. I care too much to leave you in your stupidity.
formeyousee 4 years ago
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Actually kid, you might want to get that brain checked. You are pretty much the only person in the world who thinks Magic is better than MJ. Even Magic disagrees with you! hah. You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I don't think Magic is better than Jordan. I KNOW IT STAT BOY! Jordan is more talented, but Magic is the better player. And I (along with smart bball fans) know that the 91 Lakers are not near the same level as Showtime. Maybe Jack Nicholas can straighten out your over-loaded "stat" brain. That's why thinkers like me are needed in this sport because of "fax machines" like you...RECEIVE..PRINT..RECEIVE..PRINT..no thinking required. HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
formeyousee 4 years ago
Actually, you don't know anything. Certain goofballs believe global warming doesn't exist as well, so you are welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want, but all the evidence contradicts you. Most of the rest of the world disagrees with you because they can accept reality and aren't deluded by bias, as you are.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Most of the sports world doesn't believe the 91 Lakers are equal to Showtime because of some stats...Stat Boy! So you can jump in that hot pot of water that you boiled for me..HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! Boy are you STUPID! HA!HA!HA!HA! How many times do I have clean your clock at your own game...HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!...AH..HA!HA!HA!HA! Leave the thinking to me Stat Boy. Leave the thinking to me!
formeyousee 4 years ago
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails. Waiting for ANY evidence...waiting...waiting...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
91 Lakers, Magic had a PER of 25.1 vs. 23.1 in 88. 91 Lakers Divac had a PER of 17.7 vs. a PER of 15.8 for Kareem in 88. Divac also rebounded better, blocked more shots, and contributed more to the team, with 9 player wins vs. only 5.5 for Kareem in 88. The 91 Lakers also allowed far fewer pts per game and allowed an opps. EF% of .474, vs. .484 for the 88 lakers. Pts per 100 possessions nearly identical 113.1 for the 88 squad, 112.4 for the 91 squad. That is what you call analysis.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Sorry kid, you haven't analyzed a single thing or provided a single shred of evidence. Your weak position therefore fails for lack of support. Learn the difference between facts and opinions and learn that unless you have something to base your opinions are, they are worthless, as yours currently are.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" doesn't make them better kid. You need evidence. You have zero. Thus, your proposition fails for lack of support.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Actually kid, you might want to get that brain checked. You are pretty much the only person in the world who thinks Magic is better than MJ. Even Magic disagrees with you! hah. You are incapable of analysis or rational discussion. You are simply ignorantly biased with ZERO support for your opinions. They are thus worthless. I have already proven you wrong. Waiting for ANY evidence from you...waiting...waiting...
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Calling the 88 Lakers "showtime" does not make them better than the 91 lakers. If that is what passes for analysis in your circles...pretty sad. And actually, anyone who actually looks at the objective evidence would agree with me and disagree with you.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Calling the 91 Lakers close to the greatness of Showtime makes you a dunce...hee...hee...hee. How's the weather on that lonesome island? hee...hee...hee
formeyousee 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your circular reasoning is back. You offer no evidence for how the 88 lakers are better than the 91 lakers, yet there are objective facts demonstrating how the 91 lakers were superior or at least the equal of the 91 lakers. Thus, without any evidentiary support for you position, it necessarily fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REALITY: Jordan beat Magic straight up head to head in 91, while Magic never beat MJ. That's your problem, you have no reality on your side, your position is wholly unsuported by the evidence or truth. You have simply chosen an untenable position.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
You haven't analyzed a single thing. I have. Objective reality refutes your unsupported statements. Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
And that's why your opinion is currently worthless, because you conduct no analysis and have evidence on which you base your opinion. I do. You merely call the 88 Lakers "showtime" and assume that suffices to show they are superior to the 91 squad. Not so. My analysis and the objective facts contradicts your opinion.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
REALITY: Magic beat ZERO all time great teams. REALITY: Magic won his first 2 rings while winning only 3 rounds! REALITY: Jordan beats Magic in stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps, and domination on BOTH ends of the floor. REALITY: Magic says Jordan is GOAT. REALITY: You can't counter any of this.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Still waiting for ANY evidence from you for why Magic is better than MJ...come on, just a single shred...anything...waiting...waiting...come on, just one bit......waiting...waiting.....
utfanatic2000 4 years ago
Your education is complete. Now you must swallow your pride & go and teach others what you have learned. Teach them of the one called..."Magic". The only player in NBA history who could have gone to the Hall-of Fame from any position. Teach them of the one who beat more Hall of Fame champions in the finals than Jordan (SMILE). Teach them of the greatest player in NBA history......Magic Johnson.
formeyousee 4 years ago
I saw Magic's entire career, I saw MJ's entire career. Jordan was simply better. Magic agrees. All the objective data support this: stats, contribution to team, rings, mvps, finals mvps. You thus have the burden of overcoming objective reality and have yet to offer a SINGLE shred of evidence to do so. Thus, your proposition fails.
utfanatic2000 4 years ago