The big problem with stride is in the left hand. Most pianists used the same accent on the bass notes and the chords. Fats was the first to play like an orchestra. He was able to play an accentuated bass and the chord that followed like a guitar strumming. James P and Willie came from ragtime and had that typical ' oompah' style. Fats was far more subtle. For him both hands were just as important. Tatum was incredible, but his right hand overshadowed his left.
That bass player knows his stuff watching that left hand of Errol. Errol Garner was fantastic,even though he didnt read ...God Gifted to the fullest.He Broke down the notion that you have to read in order to be good
El STRIDE, estilo consistente en un peculiar juego armónico-rítmico con la mano izquierda, mientras la derecha toca la melodía en el piano, fue creado por el magnífico JAMES P. JOHNSON y otros. Aparece aqui, tocado por el también magnífico ERROL GARNER, desde el minuto 0:28.
@TheBluePianist It's interesting to note that Tatum was Garners mentor and no doubt influenced the latters virtuosic improvisations, although the playing styles of both men were of course very different.
Yes, Tatum was the best pianist if you judge by technique. But you should not. For me, Garner was the best. He did not only have great technique, but great ability to create a melodic masterpiece of every standard that he played. I am not saying that Tatum was'nt fantastic, but for me he just pushed the "technical wizardy" too hard.
HOOPLAH!!! I did know that Mr. Garner had a good left hand but this was a surprise! By the way, talking about piano players and unexpected solos, check out Albert Ammons and "Ammons Stomp" ! Really heavy boogie-woogie and at the bridge at the end of the recording he burst out in a really mindblowing stride.
@theallenboy - Most who love and know jazz would agree Tatum was the best. But to say 'Tatum killed this dude' man, that's just plain ignorance. Garner had badass chops, an improvising imagination like nobody's, and at the keyboard was joy incarnate. Dizzy Gillespie, who probably knew almost as much about jazz as you, theallenboy, said Garner was 'our most sanctified pianist'. Look it up and check it out. Anyway, when you get to this level of titans, comparing is foolish. It's Mt Olympus, baby!
stride is wrriten in 2/4 and 4/4 but can also be played with a swing feel and therefore taken into a triplet feel.... you're too rigid in your line of thinking, any style can be converted from one to the other... stevie wonder's isnt she lovely is a shuffle, but can be played straight... there are no rules to music, only guidelines
stride is wrriten in 2/4 and 4/4 but can also be played with a swing feel and therefore taken into a triplet feel.... you're too rigid in your line of thinking, any style can be converted from one to the other... stevie wonder's isnt she lovely is a shuffle, but can be played straight... there are no rules to music, only guidelines
He was a phenomenal stride pianist - but his manager, Martha Glaser, discouraged him from recording stride at every turn...real shame - so much was lost to the ages....We'll have to wait to cross over before we can hear Garner play stride again - I know he is the "House Pianist" in heaven.
wow! its a shame there are not too many records of Garner playing Stride...He has a very clear and rich bass on stride playing, just like Fats Waller had..!!
@Surmusicp Cannot be compared. Fats Waller largely played ragtime, which is very different from stride. Ragtime had more octaves which were closer to the chords comped, while stride involved bigger leaps, hitting lower base notes and more tenths to accomplish greater coverage. It's true though when you said he had a very clear and rich bass.
I´ll have to disagree very respectfully: Fats Waller, one of my favourite pianist (the other ones are Art Tatum and Oscar Peterson) played stride indeed. He usually played the tenth-chords that you mentioned. It´s true that he played classic ragtime pieces, but the style that he played was stride.
@guweck i have to respectfully agree with you too, everybody knows Fats was MAINLY a stride pianist. In fact how could someone not tell the difference
@DajaWaja Yes, funny isn't it? If you notice from my videos, I play stride myself, and I didn't know before you guys pointed out that Waller was known as a stride player. Really an oversight I guess.
@DajaWaja Yes, funny isn't it? If you notice from my videos, I play stride myself, and I didn't know before you guys pointed out that Waller was known as a stride player. Really an oversight I guess.
@wteo340 no he never... he played stride, he was not a ragtime pianist by any means... waller is known as one of the greatest stride pianist ever so how he got that title when going by you he didnt even play that style is quite amazing
@slapmyfunkybass I may have made a mistake, but I never insulted you prior to that. You could have pointed it out without making those smart-ass remarks, but no. You HAD to sound smart and make others look stupid, didn't you? Put yourself in my position, and have someone do the same to you. How would you feel.
@slapmyfunkybass Let's admit to the whole world that you are the smartest person and I am the dumbest person on earth. Would that make you happy? Tell me mann.. just tell me. All I need is one more reply from you and I'll shut up.
@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
@slapmyfunkybass I do not know how well versed you are in music, or if you even play any instrument, but I'd have to say you're mistaken(albeit most respectfully) when you say that stride has a triplet feel.
If you watch my video, Samedi à Lycée Français avec Alvin Teo (Extended Scenes), you will notice that I played stride in some parts and during the last 3 minutes of the show. My left hand played stride while my right played dixieland.
@wteo340 i watched a bit of your vid and am confused! you're playing in 12/8... i didnt hear all of it though but the first minute of so is 12/8.... you can hear the lilt in the music.... i dont see how you can say it's in 4/4, it might be written in common time, but you're playing with a triplet feel
@slapmyfunkybass Watch the part from 7:42 onwards. That is stride on the left hand and dixieland on the right. The first half was boogie woogie. I was not playing in 12/8 at any time thoughout the show. Go look up The Irish Washerwoman on youtube (orchestral version) and listen carefully to the melody; where the notes fall in in relation to the bass.
@wteo340 you're playing in a shuffle feel.... just listen... stop thinking about the sheet music and listen, you can hear the lilt in your playing... most jazz standards are written in 4/4 or 3/4 but played with a lilt, i keep on telling you this and you're not listening, the lilt is implied to give it a swing feel, but not indicated in the sheet music, stop looking at the sheet music and just close your eyes and hear it
@slapmyfunkybass So now you admit that stride is written in 2/4 and 4/4. To tell you the truth, I don't really care about music theory. I've always just been just playing. It is evident from my video how I enjoy playing, and I never use sheet music, although I do know how to read.
@slapmyfunkybass Seems like you still haven't gotten the grasp of what triplets really are. Ask any music professor to do a demo for you. Or maybe you just like to call it a "triplet feel" I suppose. Still, I don't care to agree or disagree. I'll just say you are right then.
@slapmyfunkybass p.s. I understand what you are saying though, because I also write notation for my students who are piano teachers themselves and in my sheet music it is indicated "Although written with quavers, the notes are to be played with a syncopated swing feel". I was classically trained by the way.
@slapmyfunkybass The lilt you hear is the deliberate syncopation to create the groove when this type of music is played, but it isn't in 12/8 time. If you google up "boogie woogie sheet music" or "stride piano sheet music" you will see that none is written using 12/8. But I cannot contest when you say that ragtime is written either in 2/4 or 4/4. That I'm not sure myself because I never liked ragtime.
@slapmyfunkybass Left Hand Stride is usually played in common time - with the 1st and 3rd beats playing a low bass note and the 2nd and 4th beats comping a chord somewhere in the middle of the register, hence the oom-pah oom-pah feel.
@slapmyfunkybass 12/8 time is usually used for music played by scottish bands like those you hear in Change-of-Guard ceremonies outside the palace. Check out The Irish Washerwoman. THAT is 12/8 time, which is 4 sets of triplets played in a measure, sounding like this "prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa"
@slapmyfunkybass The right hand played by Garner on this page sounded like 12/8 time but in fact is not. He played a series of 8 quavers in common time but the 4th and 8th quavers were played very softly so it sounded like just 6 quavers.
@wteo340 to answer your question i play bass and piano... i studied classical piano around 20 yrs ago but have always played jazz... yes, you are right, stride can be played in 4/4, but here garner is playing it with a lilt so i would have said 12/8... stride can be played in 12/8 which gives it a swing feel, this could be achieved by playing the bass octaves not at the same time but the 1 and 2 of the triplet, then playing the harmonies on the 2 and 4 beats of the bar
@wteo340 jazz is a very complex style and countless number of people have tried to define its timing... personally i would simply put it as 12/8, though it's written in 4/4 the lilt is implied, giving it a 12/8 feel... if you ever improvise in a triplet feel it always sounds right... in the 60's a few pianists started playing straight jazz, 8ths and 16ths.... but the truth is simply just play, your mind will find the feel, it's best not to look too deep into what makes it tick
@wteo340@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
@wteo340@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
The big problem with stride is in the left hand. Most pianists used the same accent on the bass notes and the chords. Fats was the first to play like an orchestra. He was able to play an accentuated bass and the chord that followed like a guitar strumming. James P and Willie came from ragtime and had that typical ' oompah' style. Fats was far more subtle. For him both hands were just as important. Tatum was incredible, but his right hand overshadowed his left.
syncopeter 1 month ago
That bass player knows his stuff watching that left hand of Errol. Errol Garner was fantastic,even though he didnt read ...God Gifted to the fullest.He Broke down the notion that you have to read in order to be good
dreadtodred 1 month ago
Art Tatum admired Erroll Garner and said to his fellows: "Don't forget the little man!"
safarius2010 2 months ago
Just amazing!!!!!!
hommefriday 2 months ago
all this tatum killed him shit... i like coffee and i like tea - doesnt mean i have to constantly bang on about which is better though...
IndependentGeorge76 2 months ago
El STRIDE, estilo consistente en un peculiar juego armónico-rítmico con la mano izquierda, mientras la derecha toca la melodía en el piano, fue creado por el magnífico JAMES P. JOHNSON y otros. Aparece aqui, tocado por el también magnífico ERROL GARNER, desde el minuto 0:28.
leoncoda 3 months ago
Ok hes a beast, but listen to the simplicity of his left hand playing the bass line. From :26 on is sick, "comping".
eclef 3 months ago
@eclef I totally agree that that is not true stride. Now, Tatum could, and did, play stride quite often, at least as part of the tune he was playing.
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adaywayne 2 months ago
I think he's embodiment of pure joy seals the deal for me
harmonicasman3 4 months ago
and who thought expression was a competition
TheBluePianist 5 months ago
@TheBluePianist It's interesting to note that Tatum was Garners mentor and no doubt influenced the latters virtuosic improvisations, although the playing styles of both men were of course very different.
meredith218461 4 months ago
@meredith218461 yeh i was hoping people would have stopped competing on behalf of them by now, but nvm
TheBluePianist 4 months ago
Yes, Tatum was the best pianist if you judge by technique. But you should not. For me, Garner was the best. He did not only have great technique, but great ability to create a melodic masterpiece of every standard that he played. I am not saying that Tatum was'nt fantastic, but for me he just pushed the "technical wizardy" too hard.
williamillwill 6 months ago
0:42 used in art tatums version of Humoresque
Dolphidood 9 months ago
aw!! beau tifull syncing between piano and bass sooo tight !!
roop46b 9 months ago
HOOPLAH!!! I did know that Mr. Garner had a good left hand but this was a surprise! By the way, talking about piano players and unexpected solos, check out Albert Ammons and "Ammons Stomp" ! Really heavy boogie-woogie and at the bridge at the end of the recording he burst out in a really mindblowing stride.
Schillingsanders 9 months ago
GREAT!!
anitadavideduo 10 months ago
Erroll sounds like 3 pianos!
funkality 10 months ago
Yeah, you got it...yes listen to tatum, and oscar Peterson ...
beakido69 10 months ago
Tatum killed this dude, dont start that crap!
theallenboy 11 months ago
@theallenboy - Most who love and know jazz would agree Tatum was the best. But to say 'Tatum killed this dude' man, that's just plain ignorance. Garner had badass chops, an improvising imagination like nobody's, and at the keyboard was joy incarnate. Dizzy Gillespie, who probably knew almost as much about jazz as you, theallenboy, said Garner was 'our most sanctified pianist'. Look it up and check it out. Anyway, when you get to this level of titans, comparing is foolish. It's Mt Olympus, baby!
yvesami 8 months ago 12
Shhh... 'an just listen.
vimana19 1 year ago 11
NO ONE BEATS THIS MAN, TATUM COMES CLOSE, SORRY Y'ALL< KEEP YOUR TEMPER NOW, YOU HEAR ME?!
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sirjoshire 1 year ago
what song is this?
sirjoshire 1 year ago
@sirjoshire Honeysuckle Rose
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stride is wrriten in 2/4 and 4/4 but can also be played with a swing feel and therefore taken into a triplet feel.... you're too rigid in your line of thinking, any style can be converted from one to the other... stevie wonder's isnt she lovely is a shuffle, but can be played straight... there are no rules to music, only guidelines
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
stride is wrriten in 2/4 and 4/4 but can also be played with a swing feel and therefore taken into a triplet feel.... you're too rigid in your line of thinking, any style can be converted from one to the other... stevie wonder's isnt she lovely is a shuffle, but can be played straight... there are no rules to music, only guidelines
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
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wteo340 1 year ago
whatever it is, it's really great, full of life and energy.
TheDarmardar 1 year ago
He was a phenomenal stride pianist - but his manager, Martha Glaser, discouraged him from recording stride at every turn...real shame - so much was lost to the ages....We'll have to wait to cross over before we can hear Garner play stride again - I know he is the "House Pianist" in heaven.
sgivas 1 year ago
garner played a bit of every jazz style... he used to play in the same place as tatum and hold his own...
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
This is best !!!!!!!!
1svetla 2 years ago
wow! its a shame there are not too many records of Garner playing Stride...He has a very clear and rich bass on stride playing, just like Fats Waller had..!!
Surmusicp 2 years ago
@Surmusicp Cannot be compared. Fats Waller largely played ragtime, which is very different from stride. Ragtime had more octaves which were closer to the chords comped, while stride involved bigger leaps, hitting lower base notes and more tenths to accomplish greater coverage. It's true though when you said he had a very clear and rich bass.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340
I´ll have to disagree very respectfully: Fats Waller, one of my favourite pianist (the other ones are Art Tatum and Oscar Peterson) played stride indeed. He usually played the tenth-chords that you mentioned. It´s true that he played classic ragtime pieces, but the style that he played was stride.
guweck 1 year ago
@guweck i have to respectfully agree with you too, everybody knows Fats was MAINLY a stride pianist. In fact how could someone not tell the difference
DajaWaja 1 year ago
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wteo340 1 year ago
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@DajaWaja Yes, funny isn't it? If you notice from my videos, I play stride myself, and I didn't know before you guys pointed out that Waller was known as a stride player. Really an oversight I guess.
wteo340 1 year ago
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@DajaWaja Yes, funny isn't it? If you notice from my videos, I play stride myself, and I didn't know before you guys pointed out that Waller was known as a stride player. Really an oversight I guess.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 how can you NOT know he is a stride pianist xD
DajaWaja 1 year ago
@wteo340 no he never... he played stride, he was not a ragtime pianist by any means... waller is known as one of the greatest stride pianist ever so how he got that title when going by you he didnt even play that style is quite amazing
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass don't you condescend me asshole
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 well learn your musical facts before making stupid comments
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass I may have made a mistake, but I never insulted you prior to that. You could have pointed it out without making those smart-ass remarks, but no. You HAD to sound smart and make others look stupid, didn't you? Put yourself in my position, and have someone do the same to you. How would you feel.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass Let's admit to the whole world that you are the smartest person and I am the dumbest person on earth. Would that make you happy? Tell me mann.. just tell me. All I need is one more reply from you and I'll shut up.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass I do not know how well versed you are in music, or if you even play any instrument, but I'd have to say you're mistaken(albeit most respectfully) when you say that stride has a triplet feel.
If you watch my video, Samedi à Lycée Français avec Alvin Teo (Extended Scenes), you will notice that I played stride in some parts and during the last 3 minutes of the show. My left hand played stride while my right played dixieland.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 i watched a bit of your vid and am confused! you're playing in 12/8... i didnt hear all of it though but the first minute of so is 12/8.... you can hear the lilt in the music.... i dont see how you can say it's in 4/4, it might be written in common time, but you're playing with a triplet feel
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass Watch the part from 7:42 onwards. That is stride on the left hand and dixieland on the right. The first half was boogie woogie. I was not playing in 12/8 at any time thoughout the show. Go look up The Irish Washerwoman on youtube (orchestral version) and listen carefully to the melody; where the notes fall in in relation to the bass.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 you're playing in a shuffle feel.... just listen... stop thinking about the sheet music and listen, you can hear the lilt in your playing... most jazz standards are written in 4/4 or 3/4 but played with a lilt, i keep on telling you this and you're not listening, the lilt is implied to give it a swing feel, but not indicated in the sheet music, stop looking at the sheet music and just close your eyes and hear it
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass So now you admit that stride is written in 2/4 and 4/4. To tell you the truth, I don't really care about music theory. I've always just been just playing. It is evident from my video how I enjoy playing, and I never use sheet music, although I do know how to read.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass Seems like you still haven't gotten the grasp of what triplets really are. Ask any music professor to do a demo for you. Or maybe you just like to call it a "triplet feel" I suppose. Still, I don't care to agree or disagree. I'll just say you are right then.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass p.s. I understand what you are saying though, because I also write notation for my students who are piano teachers themselves and in my sheet music it is indicated "Although written with quavers, the notes are to be played with a syncopated swing feel". I was classically trained by the way.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass The lilt you hear is the deliberate syncopation to create the groove when this type of music is played, but it isn't in 12/8 time. If you google up "boogie woogie sheet music" or "stride piano sheet music" you will see that none is written using 12/8. But I cannot contest when you say that ragtime is written either in 2/4 or 4/4. That I'm not sure myself because I never liked ragtime.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass Left Hand Stride is usually played in common time - with the 1st and 3rd beats playing a low bass note and the 2nd and 4th beats comping a chord somewhere in the middle of the register, hence the oom-pah oom-pah feel.
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass 12/8 time is usually used for music played by scottish bands like those you hear in Change-of-Guard ceremonies outside the palace. Check out The Irish Washerwoman. THAT is 12/8 time, which is 4 sets of triplets played in a measure, sounding like this "prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa, prrraa-pa-pa"
wteo340 1 year ago
@slapmyfunkybass The right hand played by Garner on this page sounded like 12/8 time but in fact is not. He played a series of 8 quavers in common time but the 4th and 8th quavers were played very softly so it sounded like just 6 quavers.
wteo340 1 year ago
@wteo340 to answer your question i play bass and piano... i studied classical piano around 20 yrs ago but have always played jazz... yes, you are right, stride can be played in 4/4, but here garner is playing it with a lilt so i would have said 12/8... stride can be played in 12/8 which gives it a swing feel, this could be achieved by playing the bass octaves not at the same time but the 1 and 2 of the triplet, then playing the harmonies on the 2 and 4 beats of the bar
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
@wteo340 jazz is a very complex style and countless number of people have tried to define its timing... personally i would simply put it as 12/8, though it's written in 4/4 the lilt is implied, giving it a 12/8 feel... if you ever improvise in a triplet feel it always sounds right... in the 60's a few pianists started playing straight jazz, 8ths and 16ths.... but the truth is simply just play, your mind will find the feel, it's best not to look too deep into what makes it tick
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
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@wteo340 @wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
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@wteo340 @wteo340 hey wteo, calm down man.... relax the mind and let's forget about the whole saga... garner was a great stride pianist, i would say up there with waller... in fact, garner was a fantastic pianist at any jazz style, up there with the greatest, but sadly overlooked by so many... listen to a piece of joplin and you'll hear the difference between stride and ragtime... ragtime isn't strictly jazz, based mostly in 2/4, stride usually is played in 12/8, a triplet feel, a jazz feel...
slapmyfunkybass 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this video. I could listen to Erroll Garner all day and night!
AnEnormousBBFan 2 years ago