Notice that it doesn't happen the other way around. If a former atheist converts to Christianity or some other religion, neither religious people or non-believers say, "Well, you were never really a true atheist." Imagine being lauded for holding other beliefs that are not confirmed by evidence: Big Foot, Loch Ness monster, alien abduction, astrology, ect. The more people acted absolutely convinced no matter what would be told, "Good for you. You are a person of true faith."
The men who wrote the books of the christian bible didn't know much about how the world works, but they sure had a handle on human psychology. It's like they put a lock on every door and window that might lead to freedom.
You know, another good question to this is how god's ability to 'harden hearts' is supposed to coexist with the notion of free will. Either people are free to choose or they're not.
Outstanding. I have had the feeling that "true believers" actually suffer from such insecurity that they can't allow the thought of being wrong to even enter their heads less they be swayed. Additionally, it seems some Christians wear the craziest beliefs on their chests like a boy scout merit badge saying to the world: I am the truest Christian because I believe the craziest stuff.
I also find myself wondering why an atheist has such an intense interest in making so many eloquent videos regarding something so sill yo to them. Wouldn't your time be better spent advocating gay rights or teaching something worth while? It is my understanding atheists are not god-haters, yet every bit of your rhetoric points toward a huge hatred toward those who believe. Especially christians in your case. hmmm. You accuse me of contradicting myself. You must not be a professor of logic...
@upsidedownkingdom82 "every bit of your rhetoric points toward a huge hatred toward those who believe"
It's FAR easier to allege without basis that I hate people rather than do the much harder work of dealing with the arguments I make. That you've opted to take that easy road speaks volumes--and not in a good way. Oh, it also demonstrates again that you *do* care--your claim that no "true Christians" care is, yet again, betrayed as false (unless, of course, you're not a "true Christian").
@ProfMTH I'm sorry... All I read was "blah blah blah blah." It must be that Boston U education rendering you incapable of arguing back, but rather picking apart some words coming from another person. At least I have a whole entire channel (yours) proving my analysis of you. Santorum 2012
It appears you don't know what an argument is. I have neither the time nor the inclination to help remediate your ignorance. However, posting baseless claims, taunts, and boasts does not constitute arguing. That's all you've done. Therefore there was nothing for me to "argue back" to. Now you've wasted enough of my time.
@upsidedownkingdom82 I haven't seen any hatred in the videos. As an ex-christian I find them very informative. I appreciate the effort put into such videos, as they help people like myself who are able to listen, learn and research with an open mind, and then be able to throw off the shackles of blind faith. Thank you ProfMTH.
Let's see you hit on 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 and Romans 1:24-32. We were taught about people like you, profmth. No true Christian cares what you have to say. In fact these comments are merely to get others to think twice about the angle you are coming from. Hopefully you have enough integrity to keep the comments up and allow others to read them.
And yet here you are--presumably a "true Christian"--posting comments all over my videos, blathering on in the way that only someone who very much *does* care would. Be careful about protesting too much. It always gives one away.
And, yes, I always leave comments up. I'm especially happy to leave inane ones like yours up. They make some of my points for me so very well. Thanks.
@ProfMTH and once again taking one thing out of context and building an entire argument against it. Why didn't you address the end of my last comment when I talk about why I am leaving these comments? Perhaps the demonically afflicted truly are blind. How Ricky gervais of you. None the less, I still love you as a brother and mean no harm toward your "ministry." Play on, player.
@upsidedownkingdom82 "Why didn't you address the end of my last comment when I talk about why I am leaving these comments?"
I did. It must have gone over your head. I made it clear that I don't believe that you don't care, your protestations to the contrary & articulated reasons for commenting notwithstanding. It's far more likely that you're bothered by my videos and you're trying to quash it by posting snarky comments. It won't work. You need to deal with the substance. Good luck with that.
And you can remove your comments if you'd like. But they're so great for my point that I'll merely repost them from the e-mails I get with the comments in them. :-)
It just seems like a no true scotsman fallacy. "If you were REALLY one of us you couldn't have been convinced otherwise." yet time and time again people are found to have left religion after seeking things to strengthen and affirm their religion.
@MunkyDrag0n The devil is deceptive working through humans that have blood in them,and die. Humans instinctively look for bad without Gods spirit in them. God is Jesus, and Jesus loves you more than you can possibly imagine. God is like a child, and we must be reborn to be like little children to be able to enter the kingdom of God. It is imposable for God to be a bad guy at all, and had he be we would not be here with life next to death on this planet at all. Praise God for his good gifts.
Being children is not the purpose of religion. God does not want us to be children, Jesus was not a child. We have to become grown-ups. It is true that to become a grown-up we first need a virgin mind, without fears, anxieties, psychological repressions, a mind able to understand, criticize, feel, decide, as we had as children. But we need to grow up, to include ourselves in this world, to find our place on Earth, to enjoy this world the most often and the most deeply we can.
@fwine19 Religion will not teach you that, but it is necessary anyway. Jesus is child at heart. We hurt that heart when we hurt each other. The furries of the Furries fandom are open to truth,and have the heart of a child. They go hand in hand. A child also has no problem with nudity, but an adult does. Adam, and Eve in the beginning were like Children being naked, and unashamed.
I do not completely agree. Jesus' heart was an adult's heart. Having the heart of a child is good but not sufficient. In my opinion, you can't have an adult mind and a child heart, your heart has to grow-up too, because it needs to grow, it needs to be on the same level than your mind. Innocent as they may be, children do have defaults, their hearts have defaults.
@fwine19 children hope, and believe , and endure all things. The furries of the furry fandom, and humans persecuted are like a child too. 1 Corinthians13-4 talks about love, and the characteristics of a child is in that description. Adults give fear of all kinds of things, and are givers of accusations, and war. Just believe what Jesus says,and you will be fine.
@fwine19 Before Adam,and Eve sinned they had the heart of a child ,and ran around naked with no guilt.When a child is around adults it is like being around a bunch of serpents giving guilt. Then the care free child is transformed into the image of the adult instead of being a innocent kid. The adults are the ones who war calling it good, and not the kids. Jesus is talking about being like a kid who will live peaceably with all men. The adult is doing the same thing to the kid that lucifer did.
First comes the child, innocent, pure, a being that only asks to grow-up. During childhood, parents influence, with or without knowing it, the child's growth so that when he's an adult he has fears, a certain moral code, values, beliefs... In a way we could say that he child has become a transvestite, at least his mind, I'm okay with that.
@fwine19 The moral code was in the child, and the adults acted like the beguiling serpent to change the kids perceptions of what the moral code was even before the kid even knew what a moral code was. Satan gives fear, and the adults do the same thing. I am OK with that too. A am OK with whatever sexuality. War I am not OK with. Persequton giving fear is a form of war.
What religion/spirituality asks is to retrieve that innocent, pure mind in order to let it grow as it was at first supposed to grow. The innocent child has to grow up in order to become an innocent grow-up, without those fears, mistaken beliefs... because human mind is not perfect, there will always be some fears or complexes hidden. An adult has to find them, understand them and accept them, in order to control them (they can't disappear).
@fwine19 Religion ends up teaching about a god of war in the old who is separate from Jesus in the new, and make God out to be a being that does not give eternal life, but eternal burning. Hell is not eternal burning. Hell is the end of the soul refusing to be like Jesus persecuting zoosexuals, and a other humans that are different not seeing the heart of the zoo. The human will not be perfect without the perfect Jesus in us. When Jesus is in us we will live peaceably with all men.
@fwine19 Never accept your fears. Perfect love casts out all fear. When a human has fear will give fear.That's why clothing optional has been squelched having nudity to be indecent. .
@MunkyDrag0n Gods house is a house of prayer.After cleansing the temple Jesus proceeded to heal humans. Do you see this? Matthew 21:12–17, 21:23–27, Like I said the spirit of the Pharisees is in you. Jesus is God the I AM, that walked among men. Consider this: Money in not made by God, and hence it is made by the devil, and as we all know money brings out the worst in humans that die having a sinful corruptible body that dies filled with sin that wants more like Lucifer=Satan wanting more
@MunkyDrag0n God is in their soul, and no one can pluck them from his hand. I am here to eliminate the persecution by Gods grace. That way hopefully no one will persecute anyone. Then all will be godly. God is in me to help God to be in many. Yes, they do not say things against God like the animal man does. A non human animal does bad, but does not Know it does bad, but a human is another story. Humans fell willingly. Jesus is God with out his blinding glory. Don't accuse, and save your soul.
I trust the KJV,That is the heart of the bibles law, and should be in your heart. The persecuted have that law in their heart. .Mans wisdom is his foolish condemning laws condemning the condemner. Several verses about that. The law of love does not contradict its self. A devil is in you that needs to come out of you. Accusations is a clear sign of a devil in the soul of a human that needs to be extracted with the name of Jesus. The fool is the one who calls anyone a fool. I hope you know that
@MunkyDrag0n See love that loves no matter what,and see Gods love in a human. See the persecuted patently suffering,and see Gods love. See the beast of the field quietly eating Gods gifts,and see God in those creatures being grateful for food. Having the ability to see, hear, touch, smell, eat, the things God has made for us,and sending himself to die for your soul that would be on a certain one way road to ashes had God not done what he did. Devils are ungrateful, but Godly humans are grateful.
@kobidobidog In other words, God sees the persecuted but does nothing to help them. That is not love. That is apathy. So animals are grateful for food? I'm sorry, but a snake will bite its owner no matter how many mice it is fed. A bull will gore its owner and a horse will buck off its owner. There is absolutely no proof that God made anything. God sent his child, not himself. He did that so he could forgive us for carrying out the sin he instilled in us by putting the apple in the garden.
1:48, the evidence not seen is all around us. We have evidence of what was, and the evidence of what was in literally all around us, and what is not seen is the former glory that what is seen does not have. The blaspheming human animal wearing clothing is the human that is against the God of life in what he says, and what a human body does with the living things God made, and willingly speaks against him doing bad to humans, and then spews bad words to God denying him or blaming him.
@ProfMTH The evidence of things not seen are the living things that at this time have death in them. God did not create them to have death in them. They have death in them because man wanted death in them with Satan in them that is death. Without God in their soul they will think themselves a god with an inflated high minded ego. Man chose for there to be death, and will curse God who made life. What is not seen is the former glory. All things were immortal shining light before man fell.
@kobidobidog You are free to think lowly of everyone. Just know there are are billions of people in this world who do not agree with you and aren't Christians. Either God is incompetent in giving his message for that to happen, the Devil is powerful enough to trick them, or God is one who discriminates against countless people. If you are so devoted to God that you can no longer use the brain he gave you, then you are the real fool. It is the nature of fools to not think themselves fools.
@MunkyDrag0n Have humans drop their weapons of war,and love all as one, and be giving, forgiving, tolerant patient, not giving evil for evil, not being highminded,and be meek, and lowly not persecuting anyone,and hope ,believe endure all things and have the God I worship in them. The most important thing is to have the law of God in you to prepare humans for when they die or when the Glory of the Lord splits the heavens with a loud noise flattening the mountains.To be a christian is not a name.
@kobidobidog The only thing keeping humans from doing what you suggest is greed, ignorance, insanity, and religion. They are what turns humans against each other. If you say Christianity is about action and not title, then why are Christians notorious for committing atrocities? If you say all who commit atrocities are not Christian, then by what right? What laws in the Bible do they break that aren't supported by the Bible at the same time?
@MunkyDrag0n Religion in those idols is not Christianity. Christianity is found outside those idols that have idols in them. I see with different eyes. That is right they are not Christian not doing the loving things of jeus. They pervert the scripture .They call servant, slave, and try to find wording that gets devils hungry perverting scripture in KJV, The ones who see the behavior of those religions has God talking too them in the best way he can. Hone your ears to him. God is ultimate love.
@kobidobidog In other words, you don't trust in the Bible. If so, then why did you use Bible verses to prove your position? If even one verse contradicts another, then the entire book is suspect. Like I said before, it is the nature of a fool to not think himself a fool. You have closed your mind to any possibility that you are a fool. Hone my ears? The schizophrenic will hear just about anything. God is love? Prove it. What has he done for humanity besides deal death and destruction?
@MunkyDrag0n There is a long list of laws they break, and the biggest one is breaking loving your neighbor as yourself ,and doing unto others what you would not want to be done unto you. Proverbs 9An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered. They break this persecuting whoever saying harsh words to the sexualities. BY breaking that one law break all of them, and Satan is the one who breaks all of the laws of God calling it good.
@kobidobidog In the Ten Commandments it says Do not covet your neighbor's wife...nor anything else that BELONGS TO YOUR NEIGHBOR." Is it correct to say that wives belong to their husbands? Your God's laws are between useful and downright cruel. Absolutely no consistency.
@MunkyDrag0n The rib was taken from the side of Adam so Eve would be equal with Adam. You are using the Bible like the devil would. To covet leads to stealing, and stealing is wrong. That is what Jesus was saying.
@kobidobidog Why do I use the Bible like a devil would? Because I can point out all the atrocities in there and you can't? Look at 1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34, Romans 7:2, Peter 3:1-5. The Devil did not write this. God and/or his chosen people did. To covet leads to stealing. So what? One gem doesn't excuse all the trash.
@MunkyDrag0n 136 1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? This means whoever male or female can speak Gods word. The head of God is above all of us. Galatians 3:28 :There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.This means humans separate the sexes, but God does not. He wants us to love as one. you seek division.
@kobidobidog You are either illiterate or a buffoon. Corinthians 11:3 and 14:34 says women are inferior to men. They are not to speak in church. They are to learn from their husbands and no one else. Galatians 3:28 proves that God is wishy-washy, not moral. Do I seek division now? Never did I endorse discrimination. Your baseless attack proves you are a fool.
@MunkyDrag0n Eve was not taken from the foot from the begging. Ye are of your father the devil. Read after that read what I sent yoiu.Jesus says "What ". Jess was saying what was commonly said, and corrected them. All humans are inspired by the holy spirit, and not just a particular sex, and God does not see a sexualiuty anyway. Morality is loving whoever as yourself, and don't do that, and don't love yourselves.
@kobidobidog Okay, you have just given up sounding reasonable and are preaching from the top of your head. Ask anyone who is doing a better job of defending our beliefs and I will be the clear winner. Even if my father be the Devil, you cannot deny what I have pointed out in your own book. Make baseless assertions all you like. A fool revels in repetition and not in reason.
@MunkyDrag0n The ones relying on mans laws are fools,and I think you reviver them highly. Taking verses out of context is not a wise thing to do, and I bet you are not using the KJV ether. The fruits of Gods spirit are not in you at all, Galatians 5,22-23; and that means the devil is in you seeking to find fault in Gods word. That is not wise.
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Don't repent of what you called me, and your soul is heading for ashes in Gods light seeing it as if it was fire.around the city of God, Revelation 20-=9.
@MunkyDrag0n Romans 7:2,Humans commit adultery against God, and Jesus does not throw stones, but humans shoot bullets, and drop bombs. That is bowing to Satan divorcing ones self from God committing adultery against Jesus who is the bride that gives the water of life freely to whoever will take it. Peter 3:1-5.sounds like it is for nudity. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel. All wear apparel wherever.
@kobidobidog Romans 7:2 is against divorce, not adultery, and you know it. Jesus did not throw stones, but did drive people away by force. Mark 11:15–19, 11:27–33, Matthew 21:12–17, 21:23–27, Luke 19:45–48, 20:1–8, and John 2:13–16.
@MunkyDrag0n Your attitude is combative looking for any reason you think to be combative. A male is not superior to a female.and the other way around. The way you are going about this is not the way Jesus would search scripture. I see the scribes, and Pharisees in you.
@kobidobidog You are the one who says nonbelievers are agents of the Devil. Is that not provoking? Okay, then how should I think? Should I use my own reason and not obey the Bible? If so, then Christianity is based on lies. Should I obey the Bible? Is so, then Christianity is contradictory. Should I just focus on the verses that are good by today's standards? If so, then Christianity is deceptive.
@MunkyDrag0n,I do not say that, but their fruits tell me a lot where they are at this point in time. When I see it I say it, and hopefully wake up whoever I say it to. The bible is to help us to live peaceably with each other now, and forever. The established churches have obviously not done that. We have a god of war humans bow to ,and that is not loving all as one. The devil knows the Bible too,and he tried to use it to get Jesus to commit suicide. That is not good. When you catch yourself
@MunkyDrag0n Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.,what am I hearing from you edifying speech? .What is this I hear in my ears? I hear the devil, don't you? ,Proverbs 12 20,Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellers of peace is joy. This says the deceiver is in you not giving any Joy at all. Repent while you still have breath.
@MunkyDrag0n Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD. You are supporting humans that are an abomination before God that were driven from the temple of God.Philippians 2:6 K J B Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: This is describing Jesus. Romans 12:17:K J B Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. Had men followed this one verse there would be no war.
@MunkyDrag0n Eph 4:32 :K J V,And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. 1 Corinthians 11:31,K J B For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.Hebrews 12:15 ;K J V,Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled. 1 John 4 ,12,If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us War is not love.
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven .The KJV is for loving all as one.1 Peter 3:8 :King James Bible
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:Luke 6:37:King James Bible
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
@MunkyDrag0n Matthew 25:40:K J V And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Hosea 2;18And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. This should eliminate the legal system as we know it too if humans took that passage seriously.
@MunkyDrag0n, . Matthew 5:22:KJV,But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. That will turn evil souls into ashes in the light of God. Proverbs 19 :1Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. Repent of that statement,OK?
@kobidobidog Doh, that's apples, mate! Matthew 23:17 Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees fools. He had already said, "Whoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." I guess Jesus can break any law he makes, right?
If "The God of this world" has hardened the hearts of the Jews, we must first consider who "The God of this world" is. Christ Yahshua says in John 14 (I believe that's the chapter) "I will not speak with you much longer for the the ruler of this world is coming and he has nothing to do with me."
@citizenpetroff Well, of course, that's a different text written by a different person. Did you read Professor Hartley's article 2 Corinthians 4:4? There's a link in the description box.
Stupid man says: Science is against catholic faith and catholic faith is against science. False atheistic ideology is abusing science, trying to use science to support atheistic rubbish. I am using computer, but also I am using mind to believe God who gave man mind to discover computer out of God`s creation. You are laughable when you say your ideology is true because science is true.True science is true,but not your atheistic ideology.Catholic faith is true, because God is true,He does not lie.
You are trying to think, but you are unable to do it, my friend. You limited yourself to science method of thinking, but reality has aspects, that are not empirical, so to think about not empirical aspects of being you must use metaphysics laws of being.Stupid man says: “the cause of evolution is random genetic mutation, not evolution itself”. The cause of evolution is God, so there is no evolution as an explanation for evolution. Random genetic mutation as a cause for evolution is ideology.
@akwinata1 random mutation without selection (natural or otherwise) is not evolution. You should learn about what you are arguing against so tat you don't present yourself as a fool.
Stiupid man ask: I am God`s image, why I am invisible? You are invisible, it is fact. Your soul is invisible, your body visible, but soul gives life to body, not in another way round. St Thomas gave the best explanation what is relation between soul and body. Learn something. God can see your not only body, but soul too. He can see Himself, so He can see and know His creation, of course. Is it clear for you? Barbaric ideologist. ?Cant understand anything without measuring. Not empirical facts.
@akwinata1 SOUL: That invisible thing that this great scam lords over you as being sick and in need of a cure. You can't see the boilson your soul, nor can you feel them. But as a scum sucking bottom dweller it's as sure as the day you were born. Sick sick sick.
This video confirms my own life experience... In discussing concepts with a christian friend of mine, the conversation reached the point where he could not logically answer my point, and he said, " It does not have to make sense"...
Those words have rung in my ears for several years since hearing them.
With eternal damnation hanging over christian's heads, of course, they are completely trapped; they MUST believe, or else suffer that burning flesh thing.
Only MAN could devise such a horrible belief system.
It's funny, Juggalos (Insane Clown Posse fans) Use the same "Believers who lose faith, were never believers. Anyone who stops liking ICP was never really into them in the first place.Gotta love it!
God is first reason of everything, Creator from nothingness and The One giving existence in every moment to everything what was made to exist by Him, so do not agree that something can exists without proper reason. Proper reason of existence of everything what exists we call God.
Evolution??? God is standing behind every change in beings. So if You, my friend, agree to call God: Evolution, then You can say Evolution is reason of change from nothing into something and how beautiful indeed. God.
I keep coming back to this as I make my way through the Epistles, and come across passages like 2 Thes 9-12, which seem to say 'they are darned because they are wicked' and 'God has made them wicked'... I still don't get, but at least I get how it might work for believers. Thanks!
I've been looking into logical fallacies lately, and it's insane to see how many there are that Christian apologists use in defense of their faith on a regular basis. Though I guess logic is just a tool invented by the devil to make everything make sense except for God. All praise God, the only illogical being that exists because buildings require builders!
Really, really excellent video prof. I've been off YouTube for awhile and when I came back I ran to your channel first. Your ability to concisely dissect an argument is absolutely delicious! As far as the topic: I've debated Christians for years now and I know I'm never going to strike brain with most of them. I will still debate however, in order to influence the minds of those reading the debate.
You ever consider taking the subjects from a few of you're videos and putting together a "Inconvenient Truth" style, feature length presentation? You're videos contain so much information regarding the Bible and religious thinking that aren't common knowledge. And your relatively gentle approach might even entice otherwise reluctant believers to watch. You might even get Al Gorgeous to pay for it.
God loves all or He is not God. Gay, straight, doesn't matter. Love is what matters. Do you love? Then you are one with God whether you believe in the bible or not. What is written in our hearts has nothing to do with the bible.
Jews simply don't believe G-d is a man or that a man becomes G-d. Not sure it's a matter of hard hearts just 3000 years of believing one thing, while no one clued them in on G-d changing His mind till Jesus showed up. Every Jewish kid is taught G-d is Spirit. G-d is not a man.I am going to assume Jesus was taught the same thing. It would be a hard sell to convince Jews differently and take a man's word against the first hand experience of G-d on Mt. Sinai by thousands of Jews.
Remember, the Jews started out as polytheists. Just examine what the Jews were said to have been doing while Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments. They were worshiping one of their gods OTHER than Yahweh, the one who would ultimately become Big G, straight out of Compton.
So, let me get this straight; failure to believe in God results in eternal damnation, and God specifically made it so that some people who might be saved would be damned to Hell for eternity? Man, that God fellow is a real asshole!
The Jewish "Heart Hardening" argument is really stupid because didn't most early Christians start off as Jews? It sounds like The Jewish people were just rejecting a smaller messiah cult's claims rather than rejecting the coming of their messiah.
@s8ntmark Well, the early Jesus movement quickly became a largely Gentile movement. And the New Testament writers were looking for some way to explain how it could be that their god's chosen people were not flocking to faith in Jesus. One of the explanations was that God was preventing them from doing so.
why this video is about christianity only? Why u dont mention islam, judaism hinduism, buddism etc. Its not that im a Christian, im Atheist, but why all these videos against believers focus on christianity? Try to argue with Islamists my friend. Laugh how "close minded" they are, ok ? and then dont forget to buy your kids, or other person you love, present for christmas.
My english is not perfect as it is not my mother tongue but the first question i've written above is still valid and understandable.
What puzzles me is the fact that you actually attack Christians only. I wrote that before, and ill write it again as you struggle to give any answer.
What about Islam? Judaism? these are not religions? Many Islamists for example would kill you only because you're not the faithful.Shouldn't you have made a movie about Islam?
@dupsterson "What puzzles me is the fact that you actually attack Christians only."
I talk about mainly about Christianity because I was a Christian, I know Christianity, and the bulk of the religious believers who watch and comment on my videos are Christians.
"What about Islam?"
I've talked about Islam in a few videos. There are lots of other nontheists talking about Islam here on YouTube if that interests you.
"Judaism?"
I talk about the Hebrew scriptures quite frequently.
@dupsterson - If your really looking for someone that has done a few videos on Islam then check out GreatBigBore's channel. He has two video series on Islam in his play list.
This is precisely what kills me about Christianity. The claim is to "save" as many as possible, but yet God chooses to "harden hearts" and "blind" people to the truth. Seems extremely counter productive and illogical from a God that claims he "loves us all" and gave His only Son to save us.
You might be aware of the phenomenon, but you do not understand it. You pass it off as Believers being close minded, while sticking their fingers in their ears. That is all you believe it to be. This person was dead on with the opening statement about conversion. You will never understand what happens concerning change once the Spirit is within you. It is and will always be a mystery to you, unless you receive the Spirit and then you will never again question the existence of God if you do.
@TeaMaster1978 "You will never understand what happens concerning change once the Spirit is within you. It is and will always be a mystery to you, unless you receive the Spirit...."
@ProfMTH You are not very nice. I was just trying to talk to you and speak my mind. I don't understand why you won't even hear me out and just dismiss me like you did. What type of Character does that show? I get it though. You do not care. That's fine. I know if someone came to me though and said they had certain wisdom and knowledge, yeah I would be skeptical. I would not be a dick though and belittle them. I would at least hear them out. Peace and Blessings.
@TeaMaster1978 " I was just trying to talk to you and speak my mind."
And I spoke my mind in return. These "Christians have unique knowledge" and "one can't understand this unless one has the spirit" are among the baseless assertions that believers use to bolster themselves. Your comment made the point for me.
It seems you want to speak you mind but not have your interlocutor speak his mind back. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way.
@TeaMaster1978 You need to stop trolling, "i was just tring to ....speak my mind" & "I don't undersatnd why you won't even hear me out and dismiss me like you did" that is EXACTLY what he did (speak his mind), and you're eyes so filled with light couldn't see that? You totally dismissed everything he said too, just because it flew PAST your head doesn't mean it flew THROUGH.
@ProfMTH Prof don't put your mind with these people, there are many christians out there who are just like the rest of us, leave these cultists to their work only life will change them. please memorise what you have heard here.
Hey are you too busy to answer a question? I send you PM but got no response, I hope its not that when yopu are not asked 'in front of people' that you dont feel obliged to give answer...?
@333kingston Your PM was a rambling jumble that I stopped reading after about--if memory is serving me correctly--the third line. I have no obligation to try to sort out and make sense of a load of gibberish that someone sends me in a PM. I have better uses for my time.
Moreover, I don't bother with debates in PMs. Again, no time for them. Moreover, this is an educational channel. If there's a worthwhile discussion, I'd prefer it take place publicly so that others can benefit.
@ProfMTH wow, I re-read my message and yes, it was chaotic and obviously written in a rush, but I have no comprehension of how can someone be so pretentious and admit 'stopped at third line', unless the person is disrespectful or insulting, I wasnt obviously, anyway, have a good day and never mind.
@333kingston If you cannot take getting attitude, then you shouldn't dish out attitude. You came to this comments section complaining about my not responding to your PM--"Hey are you too busy to answer a question? I send [sic] you PM but got no response," Then you asserted--quite incorrectly--that I must not feel obligated and, therefore, don't bother to answer questions unless it's "in front of people." And now *you're* offended? LOL. Get a life.
Back in the old days, people thought that thinking (or perception) was a function of the heart and not the brain (proven by old Egyptians who used to throw the brain away after body preservation of important people). / google "old Egyptians thought brain"
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So I think that John 12:39-40 is another example of scientifically proven flaws of the Bible, for it claims that god hardened the hearts.
@ProfMTH - thank you for taking the time to answer. Unfortunately, I will not be able to continue this very interresting discussion due to my many obligations in the coming days. I would have love to take this further but... maybe in the future. God bless you + + +
@anonym572 "I would have love to take this further but...."
Someone more skeptical than I would likely be tempted to conclude that you conveniently became so busy just at the time you were being pushed to answer direct questions and your claims had been dissected. But that's not I. Real life before YouTube. Best of luck to you.
and here is another issue that i think is another problem for the true believers.just about anyone of christian faith i've talked to has always told me that god gives us free will. now if i had know about these passages in roman,corinthians and john i would have asked them how did the jews have free will if god hardened thier hearts against him?cases can be made in the same vein for many of the stories in the bible
hello promth, i find this idea of true believers interesting it makes me wonder as well if all christian sects believe this or some do not because there are so many different christian sects out there. and from a lot of things i've seen most of them think the others are not really true christians and this would equate them as non believers.
@moddie84 (2) - What 'miracles of other religions' are you refering to ??? few corrections: Muhammed did not convert to Islam: He made up Islam and gained wealth, wifes, political power from it. Also there are more Christians than Muslims. But anyway, since when do we measure the veracity of a claim by these kind of figures?
I wouldn't want to disgress from my initial points which were addressed to ProfMTH about the importance of personnal experience.
@dekreek78 (1) - No I can't. that's precisely the point. God can communicate with individuals in very different manners, IF He wishes, and such experiences cannot be quantized. but yet all experiences cannot be dismissed either or explained away as simply as I guess that you or the Prof would do. The fact that there might for example 80% delusional exeriences versus 20% genuine experiences of God (I m making up the figures) does not mean you should dismiss all of them. It's the 20% that matters
@moddie84 (1) - So you don't even believe Paul to have existed!? Well how did the church originated in the first place? Where do all those scattered early Christian communities come from if not thanks to Paul's missionary journeys? How did they all come to accept the writings of a fictitious character claiming to have interacted with them (see Galatians)? Can you mention me only one early writting that denies Paul's existence? Even the Talmud confirms it!
@moddie84 (1) - So you don't even believe Paul to have existed!? Even the Talmud confirms Paul’s existence! Well how did the church originated in the first place? Where do all those scattered early Christian communities come from? How did they all come to accept the writings of a fictitious character claiming to have interacted with them? All archaeological evidence for the emergence of Christianity matches perfectly Paul’s and Peter’s journeys as stated in the book of Acts.
Hey Profmth, can you do a couple of argumentation vids or post a class or two on YouTube? It would be appreciated.
jobfromdayone 12 hours ago
Notice that it doesn't happen the other way around. If a former atheist converts to Christianity or some other religion, neither religious people or non-believers say, "Well, you were never really a true atheist." Imagine being lauded for holding other beliefs that are not confirmed by evidence: Big Foot, Loch Ness monster, alien abduction, astrology, ect. The more people acted absolutely convinced no matter what would be told, "Good for you. You are a person of true faith."
giaofnature 5 days ago
The men who wrote the books of the christian bible didn't know much about how the world works, but they sure had a handle on human psychology. It's like they put a lock on every door and window that might lead to freedom.
YY4Me133 5 days ago
You know, another good question to this is how god's ability to 'harden hearts' is supposed to coexist with the notion of free will. Either people are free to choose or they're not.
zEropoint68 1 week ago
@zEropoint68 Indeed. Of course, for many Christians this would not be an issue at all, e.g., Calvinists.
ProfMTH 1 week ago
Outstanding. I have had the feeling that "true believers" actually suffer from such insecurity that they can't allow the thought of being wrong to even enter their heads less they be swayed. Additionally, it seems some Christians wear the craziest beliefs on their chests like a boy scout merit badge saying to the world: I am the truest Christian because I believe the craziest stuff.
doctim11 1 month ago
@doctim11 "Outstanding"
Thanks very much.
ProfMTH 1 month ago
If I thought WLC could be transported back to the time of Jesus, I'd work feverishly on time travel! For the sole purpose of doing that very thing!
RadarKat73080 1 month ago
I also find myself wondering why an atheist has such an intense interest in making so many eloquent videos regarding something so sill yo to them. Wouldn't your time be better spent advocating gay rights or teaching something worth while? It is my understanding atheists are not god-haters, yet every bit of your rhetoric points toward a huge hatred toward those who believe. Especially christians in your case. hmmm. You accuse me of contradicting myself. You must not be a professor of logic...
upsidedownkingdom82 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 "every bit of your rhetoric points toward a huge hatred toward those who believe"
It's FAR easier to allege without basis that I hate people rather than do the much harder work of dealing with the arguments I make. That you've opted to take that easy road speaks volumes--and not in a good way. Oh, it also demonstrates again that you *do* care--your claim that no "true Christians" care is, yet again, betrayed as false (unless, of course, you're not a "true Christian").
ProfMTH 1 month ago
@ProfMTH I'm sorry... All I read was "blah blah blah blah." It must be that Boston U education rendering you incapable of arguing back, but rather picking apart some words coming from another person. At least I have a whole entire channel (yours) proving my analysis of you. Santorum 2012
upsidedownkingdom82 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 "incapable of arguing back"
It appears you don't know what an argument is. I have neither the time nor the inclination to help remediate your ignorance. However, posting baseless claims, taunts, and boasts does not constitute arguing. That's all you've done. Therefore there was nothing for me to "argue back" to. Now you've wasted enough of my time.
ProfMTH 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 I haven't seen any hatred in the videos. As an ex-christian I find them very informative. I appreciate the effort put into such videos, as they help people like myself who are able to listen, learn and research with an open mind, and then be able to throw off the shackles of blind faith. Thank you ProfMTH.
MrToby9999 1 month ago
Let's see you hit on 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 and Romans 1:24-32. We were taught about people like you, profmth. No true Christian cares what you have to say. In fact these comments are merely to get others to think twice about the angle you are coming from. Hopefully you have enough integrity to keep the comments up and allow others to read them.
upsidedownkingdom82 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 "No true Christian cares what you have to say."
And yet here you are--presumably a "true Christian"--posting comments all over my videos, blathering on in the way that only someone who very much *does* care would. Be careful about protesting too much. It always gives one away.
And, yes, I always leave comments up. I'm especially happy to leave inane ones like yours up. They make some of my points for me so very well. Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 month ago
@ProfMTH and once again taking one thing out of context and building an entire argument against it. Why didn't you address the end of my last comment when I talk about why I am leaving these comments? Perhaps the demonically afflicted truly are blind. How Ricky gervais of you. None the less, I still love you as a brother and mean no harm toward your "ministry." Play on, player.
upsidedownkingdom82 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 "Why didn't you address the end of my last comment when I talk about why I am leaving these comments?"
I did. It must have gone over your head. I made it clear that I don't believe that you don't care, your protestations to the contrary & articulated reasons for commenting notwithstanding. It's far more likely that you're bothered by my videos and you're trying to quash it by posting snarky comments. It won't work. You need to deal with the substance. Good luck with that.
ProfMTH 1 month ago
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@upsidedownkingdom82 "Comment removed"
And you can remove your comments if you'd like. But they're so great for my point that I'll merely repost them from the e-mails I get with the comments in them. :-)
ProfMTH 1 month ago
@ProfMTH feel free to repost them. Santorum 2012
upsidedownkingdom82 1 month ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 Santorum will be the even worse than Bush if he gets into office.
atheistram 1 week ago
Religion is a cancer upon humanity. The sooner it is eradicated, the better.
mikefromwa 2 months ago
@Greg50451 That's why I linked Donald Hartley's article "2 Corinthians 4:4: A Case for Yahweh as the 'God of this Age'" in the description box.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
It just seems like a no true scotsman fallacy. "If you were REALLY one of us you couldn't have been convinced otherwise." yet time and time again people are found to have left religion after seeking things to strengthen and affirm their religion.
krissy4nik 5 months ago
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kobidobidog 5 months ago
i would have your babies.
Neeboopsh 5 months ago
@Neeboopsh lol
ProfMTH 5 months ago
I'm not dead. I'm getting better!
RadarKat73080 6 months ago
I hate the term 'unbelief.' It just makes it seem like belief is the default.
atheistworstenemy 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n The devil is deceptive working through humans that have blood in them,and die. Humans instinctively look for bad without Gods spirit in them. God is Jesus, and Jesus loves you more than you can possibly imagine. God is like a child, and we must be reborn to be like little children to be able to enter the kingdom of God. It is imposable for God to be a bad guy at all, and had he be we would not be here with life next to death on this planet at all. Praise God for his good gifts.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
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Being children is not the purpose of religion. God does not want us to be children, Jesus was not a child. We have to become grown-ups. It is true that to become a grown-up we first need a virgin mind, without fears, anxieties, psychological repressions, a mind able to understand, criticize, feel, decide, as we had as children. But we need to grow up, to include ourselves in this world, to find our place on Earth, to enjoy this world the most often and the most deeply we can.
fwine19 5 months ago
@fwine19 Religion will not teach you that, but it is necessary anyway. Jesus is child at heart. We hurt that heart when we hurt each other. The furries of the Furries fandom are open to truth,and have the heart of a child. They go hand in hand. A child also has no problem with nudity, but an adult does. Adam, and Eve in the beginning were like Children being naked, and unashamed.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
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I do not completely agree. Jesus' heart was an adult's heart. Having the heart of a child is good but not sufficient. In my opinion, you can't have an adult mind and a child heart, your heart has to grow-up too, because it needs to grow, it needs to be on the same level than your mind. Innocent as they may be, children do have defaults, their hearts have defaults.
fwine19 5 months ago
@fwine19 children hope, and believe , and endure all things. The furries of the furry fandom, and humans persecuted are like a child too. 1 Corinthians13-4 talks about love, and the characteristics of a child is in that description. Adults give fear of all kinds of things, and are givers of accusations, and war. Just believe what Jesus says,and you will be fine.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@fwine19 I see the child like heart in the furries of the furry fandom, and it cheers my heart.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@fwine19 Before Adam,and Eve sinned they had the heart of a child ,and ran around naked with no guilt.When a child is around adults it is like being around a bunch of serpents giving guilt. Then the care free child is transformed into the image of the adult instead of being a innocent kid. The adults are the ones who war calling it good, and not the kids. Jesus is talking about being like a kid who will live peaceably with all men. The adult is doing the same thing to the kid that lucifer did.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
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First comes the child, innocent, pure, a being that only asks to grow-up. During childhood, parents influence, with or without knowing it, the child's growth so that when he's an adult he has fears, a certain moral code, values, beliefs... In a way we could say that he child has become a transvestite, at least his mind, I'm okay with that.
fwine19 5 months ago
@fwine19 The moral code was in the child, and the adults acted like the beguiling serpent to change the kids perceptions of what the moral code was even before the kid even knew what a moral code was. Satan gives fear, and the adults do the same thing. I am OK with that too. A am OK with whatever sexuality. War I am not OK with. Persequton giving fear is a form of war.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
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What religion/spirituality asks is to retrieve that innocent, pure mind in order to let it grow as it was at first supposed to grow. The innocent child has to grow up in order to become an innocent grow-up, without those fears, mistaken beliefs... because human mind is not perfect, there will always be some fears or complexes hidden. An adult has to find them, understand them and accept them, in order to control them (they can't disappear).
fwine19 5 months ago
@fwine19 Religion ends up teaching about a god of war in the old who is separate from Jesus in the new, and make God out to be a being that does not give eternal life, but eternal burning. Hell is not eternal burning. Hell is the end of the soul refusing to be like Jesus persecuting zoosexuals, and a other humans that are different not seeing the heart of the zoo. The human will not be perfect without the perfect Jesus in us. When Jesus is in us we will live peaceably with all men.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@fwine19 Never accept your fears. Perfect love casts out all fear. When a human has fear will give fear.That's why clothing optional has been squelched having nudity to be indecent. .
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Gods house is a house of prayer.After cleansing the temple Jesus proceeded to heal humans. Do you see this? Matthew 21:12–17, 21:23–27, Like I said the spirit of the Pharisees is in you. Jesus is God the I AM, that walked among men. Consider this: Money in not made by God, and hence it is made by the devil, and as we all know money brings out the worst in humans that die having a sinful corruptible body that dies filled with sin that wants more like Lucifer=Satan wanting more
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n God is in their soul, and no one can pluck them from his hand. I am here to eliminate the persecution by Gods grace. That way hopefully no one will persecute anyone. Then all will be godly. God is in me to help God to be in many. Yes, they do not say things against God like the animal man does. A non human animal does bad, but does not Know it does bad, but a human is another story. Humans fell willingly. Jesus is God with out his blinding glory. Don't accuse, and save your soul.
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
I trust the KJV,That is the heart of the bibles law, and should be in your heart. The persecuted have that law in their heart. .Mans wisdom is his foolish condemning laws condemning the condemner. Several verses about that. The law of love does not contradict its self. A devil is in you that needs to come out of you. Accusations is a clear sign of a devil in the soul of a human that needs to be extracted with the name of Jesus. The fool is the one who calls anyone a fool. I hope you know that
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n See love that loves no matter what,and see Gods love in a human. See the persecuted patently suffering,and see Gods love. See the beast of the field quietly eating Gods gifts,and see God in those creatures being grateful for food. Having the ability to see, hear, touch, smell, eat, the things God has made for us,and sending himself to die for your soul that would be on a certain one way road to ashes had God not done what he did. Devils are ungrateful, but Godly humans are grateful.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog In other words, God sees the persecuted but does nothing to help them. That is not love. That is apathy. So animals are grateful for food? I'm sorry, but a snake will bite its owner no matter how many mice it is fed. A bull will gore its owner and a horse will buck off its owner. There is absolutely no proof that God made anything. God sent his child, not himself. He did that so he could forgive us for carrying out the sin he instilled in us by putting the apple in the garden.
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
1:48, the evidence not seen is all around us. We have evidence of what was, and the evidence of what was in literally all around us, and what is not seen is the former glory that what is seen does not have. The blaspheming human animal wearing clothing is the human that is against the God of life in what he says, and what a human body does with the living things God made, and willingly speaks against him doing bad to humans, and then spews bad words to God denying him or blaming him.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog "the evidence not seen is all around us"
I can't think of a response that has done a better job of making my point for me in a long time.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
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@ProfMTH The evidence of things not seen are the living things that at this time have death in them. God did not create them to have death in them. They have death in them because man wanted death in them with Satan in them that is death. Without God in their soul they will think themselves a god with an inflated high minded ego. Man chose for there to be death, and will curse God who made life. What is not seen is the former glory. All things were immortal shining light before man fell.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog You are free to think lowly of everyone. Just know there are are billions of people in this world who do not agree with you and aren't Christians. Either God is incompetent in giving his message for that to happen, the Devil is powerful enough to trick them, or God is one who discriminates against countless people. If you are so devoted to God that you can no longer use the brain he gave you, then you are the real fool. It is the nature of fools to not think themselves fools.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Have humans drop their weapons of war,and love all as one, and be giving, forgiving, tolerant patient, not giving evil for evil, not being highminded,and be meek, and lowly not persecuting anyone,and hope ,believe endure all things and have the God I worship in them. The most important thing is to have the law of God in you to prepare humans for when they die or when the Glory of the Lord splits the heavens with a loud noise flattening the mountains.To be a christian is not a name.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog The only thing keeping humans from doing what you suggest is greed, ignorance, insanity, and religion. They are what turns humans against each other. If you say Christianity is about action and not title, then why are Christians notorious for committing atrocities? If you say all who commit atrocities are not Christian, then by what right? What laws in the Bible do they break that aren't supported by the Bible at the same time?
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Religion in those idols is not Christianity. Christianity is found outside those idols that have idols in them. I see with different eyes. That is right they are not Christian not doing the loving things of jeus. They pervert the scripture .They call servant, slave, and try to find wording that gets devils hungry perverting scripture in KJV, The ones who see the behavior of those religions has God talking too them in the best way he can. Hone your ears to him. God is ultimate love.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog In other words, you don't trust in the Bible. If so, then why did you use Bible verses to prove your position? If even one verse contradicts another, then the entire book is suspect. Like I said before, it is the nature of a fool to not think himself a fool. You have closed your mind to any possibility that you are a fool. Hone my ears? The schizophrenic will hear just about anything. God is love? Prove it. What has he done for humanity besides deal death and destruction?
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n There is a long list of laws they break, and the biggest one is breaking loving your neighbor as yourself ,and doing unto others what you would not want to be done unto you. Proverbs 9An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered. They break this persecuting whoever saying harsh words to the sexualities. BY breaking that one law break all of them, and Satan is the one who breaks all of the laws of God calling it good.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog In the Ten Commandments it says Do not covet your neighbor's wife...nor anything else that BELONGS TO YOUR NEIGHBOR." Is it correct to say that wives belong to their husbands? Your God's laws are between useful and downright cruel. Absolutely no consistency.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n The rib was taken from the side of Adam so Eve would be equal with Adam. You are using the Bible like the devil would. To covet leads to stealing, and stealing is wrong. That is what Jesus was saying.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog Why do I use the Bible like a devil would? Because I can point out all the atrocities in there and you can't? Look at 1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34, Romans 7:2, Peter 3:1-5. The Devil did not write this. God and/or his chosen people did. To covet leads to stealing. So what? One gem doesn't excuse all the trash.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n 136 1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? This means whoever male or female can speak Gods word. The head of God is above all of us. Galatians 3:28 :There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.This means humans separate the sexes, but God does not. He wants us to love as one. you seek division.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog You are either illiterate or a buffoon. Corinthians 11:3 and 14:34 says women are inferior to men. They are not to speak in church. They are to learn from their husbands and no one else. Galatians 3:28 proves that God is wishy-washy, not moral. Do I seek division now? Never did I endorse discrimination. Your baseless attack proves you are a fool.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Eve was not taken from the foot from the begging. Ye are of your father the devil. Read after that read what I sent yoiu.Jesus says "What ". Jess was saying what was commonly said, and corrected them. All humans are inspired by the holy spirit, and not just a particular sex, and God does not see a sexualiuty anyway. Morality is loving whoever as yourself, and don't do that, and don't love yourselves.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog Okay, you have just given up sounding reasonable and are preaching from the top of your head. Ask anyone who is doing a better job of defending our beliefs and I will be the clear winner. Even if my father be the Devil, you cannot deny what I have pointed out in your own book. Make baseless assertions all you like. A fool revels in repetition and not in reason.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n The ones relying on mans laws are fools,and I think you reviver them highly. Taking verses out of context is not a wise thing to do, and I bet you are not using the KJV ether. The fruits of Gods spirit are not in you at all, Galatians 5,22-23; and that means the devil is in you seeking to find fault in Gods word. That is not wise.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Matthew 5:22 ;King James Bible
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Don't repent of what you called me, and your soul is heading for ashes in Gods light seeing it as if it was fire.around the city of God, Revelation 20-=9.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Romans 7:2,Humans commit adultery against God, and Jesus does not throw stones, but humans shoot bullets, and drop bombs. That is bowing to Satan divorcing ones self from God committing adultery against Jesus who is the bride that gives the water of life freely to whoever will take it. Peter 3:1-5.sounds like it is for nudity. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel. All wear apparel wherever.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog Romans 7:2 is against divorce, not adultery, and you know it. Jesus did not throw stones, but did drive people away by force. Mark 11:15–19, 11:27–33, Matthew 21:12–17, 21:23–27, Luke 19:45–48, 20:1–8, and John 2:13–16.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Your attitude is combative looking for any reason you think to be combative. A male is not superior to a female.and the other way around. The way you are going about this is not the way Jesus would search scripture. I see the scribes, and Pharisees in you.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog You are the one who says nonbelievers are agents of the Devil. Is that not provoking? Okay, then how should I think? Should I use my own reason and not obey the Bible? If so, then Christianity is based on lies. Should I obey the Bible? Is so, then Christianity is contradictory. Should I just focus on the verses that are good by today's standards? If so, then Christianity is deceptive.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n,I do not say that, but their fruits tell me a lot where they are at this point in time. When I see it I say it, and hopefully wake up whoever I say it to. The bible is to help us to live peaceably with each other now, and forever. The established churches have obviously not done that. We have a god of war humans bow to ,and that is not loving all as one. The devil knows the Bible too,and he tried to use it to get Jesus to commit suicide. That is not good. When you catch yourself
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.,what am I hearing from you edifying speech? .What is this I hear in my ears? I hear the devil, don't you? ,Proverbs 12 20,Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellers of peace is joy. This says the deceiver is in you not giving any Joy at all. Repent while you still have breath.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD. You are supporting humans that are an abomination before God that were driven from the temple of God.Philippians 2:6 K J B Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: This is describing Jesus. Romans 12:17:K J B Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. Had men followed this one verse there would be no war.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Eph 4:32 :K J V,And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. 1 Corinthians 11:31,K J B For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.Hebrews 12:15 ;K J V,Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled. 1 John 4 ,12,If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us War is not love.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n King James BibleMatthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven .The KJV is for loving all as one.1 Peter 3:8 :King James Bible
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:Luke 6:37:King James Bible
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
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@MunkyDrag0n Matthew 25:40:K J V And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Hosea 2;18And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n King James Bible 1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. This should eliminate the legal system as we know it too if humans took that passage seriously.
kobidobidog 6 months ago
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kobidobidog 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n, . Matthew 5:22:KJV,But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. That will turn evil souls into ashes in the light of God. Proverbs 19 :1Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. Repent of that statement,OK?
kobidobidog 6 months ago
@kobidobidog Doh, that's apples, mate! Matthew 23:17 Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees fools. He had already said, "Whoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." I guess Jesus can break any law he makes, right?
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
If "The God of this world" has hardened the hearts of the Jews, we must first consider who "The God of this world" is. Christ Yahshua says in John 14 (I believe that's the chapter) "I will not speak with you much longer for the the ruler of this world is coming and he has nothing to do with me."
citizenpetroff 7 months ago
@citizenpetroff Well, of course, that's a different text written by a different person. Did you read Professor Hartley's article 2 Corinthians 4:4? There's a link in the description box.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Stupid man says: Science is against catholic faith and catholic faith is against science. False atheistic ideology is abusing science, trying to use science to support atheistic rubbish. I am using computer, but also I am using mind to believe God who gave man mind to discover computer out of God`s creation. You are laughable when you say your ideology is true because science is true.True science is true,but not your atheistic ideology.Catholic faith is true, because God is true,He does not lie.
akwinata1 8 months ago
@akwinata1 "Stupid man says: Science is against catholic faith and catholic faith is against science."
I don't recall saying a word in this video about wheter Catholicism is or is not "against science." What *are* you blathering about?
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@akwinata1
wow, what a fool, have you even watched the video ?
I think you have commented on the wrong video.
saintpine 6 months ago
You are trying to think, but you are unable to do it, my friend. You limited yourself to science method of thinking, but reality has aspects, that are not empirical, so to think about not empirical aspects of being you must use metaphysics laws of being.Stupid man says: “the cause of evolution is random genetic mutation, not evolution itself”. The cause of evolution is God, so there is no evolution as an explanation for evolution. Random genetic mutation as a cause for evolution is ideology.
akwinata1 8 months ago
@akwinata1 random mutation without selection (natural or otherwise) is not evolution. You should learn about what you are arguing against so tat you don't present yourself as a fool.
ExtantFrodo2 8 months ago
Stiupid man ask: I am God`s image, why I am invisible? You are invisible, it is fact. Your soul is invisible, your body visible, but soul gives life to body, not in another way round. St Thomas gave the best explanation what is relation between soul and body. Learn something. God can see your not only body, but soul too. He can see Himself, so He can see and know His creation, of course. Is it clear for you? Barbaric ideologist. ?Cant understand anything without measuring. Not empirical facts.
akwinata1 8 months ago
@akwinata1 SOUL: That invisible thing that this great scam lords over you as being sick and in need of a cure. You can't see the boilson your soul, nor can you feel them. But as a scum sucking bottom dweller it's as sure as the day you were born. Sick sick sick.
or rather Scam scam scam
ExtantFrodo2 8 months ago
This video confirms my own life experience... In discussing concepts with a christian friend of mine, the conversation reached the point where he could not logically answer my point, and he said, " It does not have to make sense"...
Those words have rung in my ears for several years since hearing them.
rovingdesertfox 8 months ago
With eternal damnation hanging over christian's heads, of course, they are completely trapped; they MUST believe, or else suffer that burning flesh thing.
Only MAN could devise such a horrible belief system.
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youneekk 9 months ago
This is one of your best videos, in my opinion. It's a fascinating look at the psychology of belief.
philosofrenzy 9 months ago
@philosofrenzy "This is one of your best videos, in my opinion. It's a fascinating look at the psychology of belief."
Thanks very much.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
"Walk by faith, not by sight". That's what some idiot said to me the other day. Gullibility is such a treasured asset.
Vexille1983 9 months ago
I never found any faith. It was not forced on me. :)
ShinyBachuru 9 months ago
It's funny, Juggalos (Insane Clown Posse fans) Use the same "Believers who lose faith, were never believers. Anyone who stops liking ICP was never really into them in the first place.Gotta love it!
jkt589 9 months ago
God is first reason of everything, Creator from nothingness and The One giving existence in every moment to everything what was made to exist by Him, so do not agree that something can exists without proper reason. Proper reason of existence of everything what exists we call God.
Evolution??? God is standing behind every change in beings. So if You, my friend, agree to call God: Evolution, then You can say Evolution is reason of change from nothing into something and how beautiful indeed. God.
akwinata1 9 months ago
@akwinata1
Actually, evolution 100% refutes the savior myth. There's no original sin as we evolved from apes, and were not created whole and complete from clay.
So what, exactly, was the reason Jesus died?
TheTexanCanadian 8 months ago
and thus the phrase “ignorance is a bliss” was created.
idontlikeyouyo 9 months ago
I really regret I spent 28 years being a "fake" believer. I should have cut my charade short by about......28 YEARS!
withfootnotes 9 months ago
you'll never convince a "true believer", sigh.
jimbocidman 9 months ago
There should have been a smite key on that keyboard.
billyjoejimbob75 9 months ago
Still learning to type on the phone...'damned' and 'get it,' of course.
felixthehuman 10 months ago
I keep coming back to this as I make my way through the Epistles, and come across passages like 2 Thes 9-12, which seem to say 'they are darned because they are wicked' and 'God has made them wicked'... I still don't get, but at least I get how it might work for believers. Thanks!
felixthehuman 10 months ago
I've been looking into logical fallacies lately, and it's insane to see how many there are that Christian apologists use in defense of their faith on a regular basis. Though I guess logic is just a tool invented by the devil to make everything make sense except for God. All praise God, the only illogical being that exists because buildings require builders!
soxfan849 10 months ago
Really, really excellent video prof. I've been off YouTube for awhile and when I came back I ran to your channel first. Your ability to concisely dissect an argument is absolutely delicious! As far as the topic: I've debated Christians for years now and I know I'm never going to strike brain with most of them. I will still debate however, in order to influence the minds of those reading the debate.
templarart 10 months ago
@templarart Hey, thanks very much. And welcome back. :-)
ProfMTH 10 months ago
You ever consider taking the subjects from a few of you're videos and putting together a "Inconvenient Truth" style, feature length presentation? You're videos contain so much information regarding the Bible and religious thinking that aren't common knowledge. And your relatively gentle approach might even entice otherwise reluctant believers to watch. You might even get Al Gorgeous to pay for it.
Probably not, though.
VirtuesPenumbra 10 months ago
What program do you use for your videos?
sensoriussupremus 11 months ago
@sensoriussupremus Windows Movie Maker and Photoshop Elements.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
@ProfMTH Thanks. You do a great job on your videos, I always enjoy them.
sensoriussupremus 11 months ago
@sensoriussupremus Thanks very much.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
God loves all or He is not God. Gay, straight, doesn't matter. Love is what matters. Do you love? Then you are one with God whether you believe in the bible or not. What is written in our hearts has nothing to do with the bible.
Tonithenightowl 11 months ago
Jews simply don't believe G-d is a man or that a man becomes G-d. Not sure it's a matter of hard hearts just 3000 years of believing one thing, while no one clued them in on G-d changing His mind till Jesus showed up. Every Jewish kid is taught G-d is Spirit. G-d is not a man.I am going to assume Jesus was taught the same thing. It would be a hard sell to convince Jews differently and take a man's word against the first hand experience of G-d on Mt. Sinai by thousands of Jews.
Tonithenightowl 11 months ago
@Tonithenightowl
News Flash: You're beliefs aren't consistent either!
Remember, the Jews started out as polytheists. Just examine what the Jews were said to have been doing while Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments. They were worshiping one of their gods OTHER than Yahweh, the one who would ultimately become Big G, straight out of Compton.
Forget that last part.
VirtuesPenumbra 10 months ago
So, let me get this straight; failure to believe in God results in eternal damnation, and God specifically made it so that some people who might be saved would be damned to Hell for eternity? Man, that God fellow is a real asshole!
TPRJones 11 months ago 2
The Jewish "Heart Hardening" argument is really stupid because didn't most early Christians start off as Jews? It sounds like The Jewish people were just rejecting a smaller messiah cult's claims rather than rejecting the coming of their messiah.
s8ntmark 11 months ago
@s8ntmark Well, the early Jesus movement quickly became a largely Gentile movement. And the New Testament writers were looking for some way to explain how it could be that their god's chosen people were not flocking to faith in Jesus. One of the explanations was that God was preventing them from doing so.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
why this video is about christianity only? Why u dont mention islam, judaism hinduism, buddism etc. Its not that im a Christian, im Atheist, but why all these videos against believers focus on christianity? Try to argue with Islamists my friend. Laugh how "close minded" they are, ok ? and then dont forget to buy your kids, or other person you love, present for christmas.
best regards
dupsterson 1 year ago
@dupsterson Are you suggesting that the claims of Christianity and its holy book should be immune from scrutiny?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH
WHERE did i say so ?
I just asked u "why christianity only" - that was the q.
Should not the scrutiny regard to all the religions? If not - why ?
dupsterson 10 months ago
@dupsterson "WHERE did i say so ?"
I didn't quite understand what you were struggling to say, which is why I asked you the question I did.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH
My english is not perfect as it is not my mother tongue but the first question i've written above is still valid and understandable.
What puzzles me is the fact that you actually attack Christians only. I wrote that before, and ill write it again as you struggle to give any answer.
What about Islam? Judaism? these are not religions? Many Islamists for example would kill you only because you're not the faithful.Shouldn't you have made a movie about Islam?
dupsterson 10 months ago
@dupsterson "What puzzles me is the fact that you actually attack Christians only."
I talk about mainly about Christianity because I was a Christian, I know Christianity, and the bulk of the religious believers who watch and comment on my videos are Christians.
"What about Islam?"
I've talked about Islam in a few videos. There are lots of other nontheists talking about Islam here on YouTube if that interests you.
"Judaism?"
I talk about the Hebrew scriptures quite frequently.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@dupsterson - If your really looking for someone that has done a few videos on Islam then check out GreatBigBore's channel. He has two video series on Islam in his play list.
lobothesacred3 10 months ago
This is precisely what kills me about Christianity. The claim is to "save" as many as possible, but yet God chooses to "harden hearts" and "blind" people to the truth. Seems extremely counter productive and illogical from a God that claims he "loves us all" and gave His only Son to save us.
cshayne7091 1 year ago 3
@cshayne7091 I agree.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
You might be aware of the phenomenon, but you do not understand it. You pass it off as Believers being close minded, while sticking their fingers in their ears. That is all you believe it to be. This person was dead on with the opening statement about conversion. You will never understand what happens concerning change once the Spirit is within you. It is and will always be a mystery to you, unless you receive the Spirit and then you will never again question the existence of God if you do.
TeaMaster1978 1 year ago
@TeaMaster1978 "You will never understand what happens concerning change once the Spirit is within you. It is and will always be a mystery to you, unless you receive the Spirit...."
Thanks for making my point for me.
ProfMTH 1 year ago 14
@ProfMTH You are not very nice. I was just trying to talk to you and speak my mind. I don't understand why you won't even hear me out and just dismiss me like you did. What type of Character does that show? I get it though. You do not care. That's fine. I know if someone came to me though and said they had certain wisdom and knowledge, yeah I would be skeptical. I would not be a dick though and belittle them. I would at least hear them out. Peace and Blessings.
TeaMaster1978 1 year ago
@TeaMaster1978 " I was just trying to talk to you and speak my mind."
And I spoke my mind in return. These "Christians have unique knowledge" and "one can't understand this unless one has the spirit" are among the baseless assertions that believers use to bolster themselves. Your comment made the point for me.
It seems you want to speak you mind but not have your interlocutor speak his mind back. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way.
ProfMTH 1 year ago 11
@ProfMTH Fine. Your point was made. You win. Peace and Blessings.
TeaMaster1978 1 year ago
@TeaMaster1978 You need to stop trolling, "i was just tring to ....speak my mind" & "I don't undersatnd why you won't even hear me out and dismiss me like you did" that is EXACTLY what he did (speak his mind), and you're eyes so filled with light couldn't see that? You totally dismissed everything he said too, just because it flew PAST your head doesn't mean it flew THROUGH.
sonicsoul0 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Prof don't put your mind with these people, there are many christians out there who are just like the rest of us, leave these cultists to their work only life will change them. please memorise what you have heard here.
sonicsoul0 1 year ago
@TeaMaster1978 As fails go, that was pretty dire.
pamew 1 year ago
Hey are you too busy to answer a question? I send you PM but got no response, I hope its not that when yopu are not asked 'in front of people' that you dont feel obliged to give answer...?
333kingston 1 year ago
@333kingston Your PM was a rambling jumble that I stopped reading after about--if memory is serving me correctly--the third line. I have no obligation to try to sort out and make sense of a load of gibberish that someone sends me in a PM. I have better uses for my time.
Moreover, I don't bother with debates in PMs. Again, no time for them. Moreover, this is an educational channel. If there's a worthwhile discussion, I'd prefer it take place publicly so that others can benefit.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH wow, I re-read my message and yes, it was chaotic and obviously written in a rush, but I have no comprehension of how can someone be so pretentious and admit 'stopped at third line', unless the person is disrespectful or insulting, I wasnt obviously, anyway, have a good day and never mind.
333kingston 1 year ago
@333kingston If you cannot take getting attitude, then you shouldn't dish out attitude. You came to this comments section complaining about my not responding to your PM--"Hey are you too busy to answer a question? I send [sic] you PM but got no response," Then you asserted--quite incorrectly--that I must not feel obligated and, therefore, don't bother to answer questions unless it's "in front of people." And now *you're* offended? LOL. Get a life.
"never mind"
Be assured that I won't.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
People are skipping on an important issue !!
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Back in the old days, people thought that thinking (or perception) was a function of the heart and not the brain (proven by old Egyptians who used to throw the brain away after body preservation of important people). / google "old Egyptians thought brain"
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So I think that John 12:39-40 is another example of scientifically proven flaws of the Bible, for it claims that god hardened the hearts.
g1code 1 year ago
I just google image searched 2 corinthians 5:7
and a cristian website had the vers
on a picture a very high cliff.
Amazeing sence of irony or reely, reely ... ?
You decide
(see: weknowjesus(dot)com )
Xigano1 1 year ago
Excellent!
jfinite 1 year ago
@jfinite Thanks. :-)
ProfMTH 1 year ago
13:09 "Crazy shit!" :P Great video mate!
JoeB2C 1 year ago
@JoeB2C Thanks!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH - thank you for taking the time to answer. Unfortunately, I will not be able to continue this very interresting discussion due to my many obligations in the coming days. I would have love to take this further but... maybe in the future. God bless you + + +
anonym572 1 year ago
@anonym572 "I would have love to take this further but...."
Someone more skeptical than I would likely be tempted to conclude that you conveniently became so busy just at the time you were being pushed to answer direct questions and your claims had been dissected. But that's not I. Real life before YouTube. Best of luck to you.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
and here is another issue that i think is another problem for the true believers.just about anyone of christian faith i've talked to has always told me that god gives us free will. now if i had know about these passages in roman,corinthians and john i would have asked them how did the jews have free will if god hardened thier hearts against him?cases can be made in the same vein for many of the stories in the bible
ffredrickskitty 1 year ago
hello promth, i find this idea of true believers interesting it makes me wonder as well if all christian sects believe this or some do not because there are so many different christian sects out there. and from a lot of things i've seen most of them think the others are not really true christians and this would equate them as non believers.
ffredrickskitty 1 year ago
@moddie84 (2) - What 'miracles of other religions' are you refering to ??? few corrections: Muhammed did not convert to Islam: He made up Islam and gained wealth, wifes, political power from it. Also there are more Christians than Muslims. But anyway, since when do we measure the veracity of a claim by these kind of figures?
I wouldn't want to disgress from my initial points which were addressed to ProfMTH about the importance of personnal experience.
Looking forward to your reply Prof !
anonym572 1 year ago
@anonym572 "the importance of personnal experience."
Could you be more specific? What were these personal experiences?
dekreek78 1 year ago
@dekreek78 (1) - No I can't. that's precisely the point. God can communicate with individuals in very different manners, IF He wishes, and such experiences cannot be quantized. but yet all experiences cannot be dismissed either or explained away as simply as I guess that you or the Prof would do. The fact that there might for example 80% delusional exeriences versus 20% genuine experiences of God (I m making up the figures) does not mean you should dismiss all of them. It's the 20% that matters
anonym572 1 year ago
@moddie84 (1) - So you don't even believe Paul to have existed!? Well how did the church originated in the first place? Where do all those scattered early Christian communities come from if not thanks to Paul's missionary journeys? How did they all come to accept the writings of a fictitious character claiming to have interacted with them (see Galatians)? Can you mention me only one early writting that denies Paul's existence? Even the Talmud confirms it!
anonym572 1 year ago
@moddie84 (1) - So you don't even believe Paul to have existed!? Even the Talmud confirms Paul’s existence! Well how did the church originated in the first place? Where do all those scattered early Christian communities come from? How did they all come to accept the writings of a fictitious character claiming to have interacted with them? All archaeological evidence for the emergence of Christianity matches perfectly Paul’s and Peter’s journeys as stated in the book of Acts.
anonym572 1 year ago
@moddie84 (3)- As for your equivocation about Deuteronomy and Jesus, it is not worth a response since you clearly don't know how to read the Bible.
anonym572 1 year ago
@anonym572 hahaha, so basically you dismiss the m