The people who did this are some sick people who have no respect for humanity..and I'm not talking about Al-Qaida either. You have to be a complete moron to not see that these buildings were purposefully brought down. This stupid American gov't needs "shock-value" with large amoutts of chaos and loss of life to sell their endless war propaganda. There are evil, corrupt elements within the U.S. gov't willing to slaughter their own people for their own personal gain. Sad..just really sad.
@Rototill27 You're an idiot. No bomb material was ever found and thermite especially was never found. The supposed thermite chips that Steven Jones holds in his possession are nothing more than paint chips. Do your research.
I wonder - are you a professional engineer or a scientist? If not, why do you find this man & the many, many other professionals so hard to believe? Its not about politics, its about physics, reality & asking questions to find the truth - no event should be closed to investigation. Billions were spent on the Lewinsky scandal but only a couple of million on investigating 9/11, where 3500 people died and a war began? Now its to never be looked at again?
Doesn't every level have to have enough steel to support the weight of all of the levels above? So why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel that were on every level of the towers by now? The concrete also? Didn't they have to figure that out in the 60s?
What kind of computers did they have then? Can't Gage and his buddies come up with that using today's computers?
@originalsupergrover You've had too much fluoride in your water, mercury and aluminum in your vaccinations and Aspartame in your food and drinks. If this is boring, you obviously have no working brain cells left.
The people that did this are NOT American. I.e., George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld -- whoever else was involved. NONE of them are American. None of them care about America. They're all Globalists.
wtc7 was taken down by the nyfd usind explosive charges, and interestingly it was already wired for demolition. you can find clips on youtube of silverstein, the owner, talking about the very matter to the press in 2001. silverstien says, in paraphrase, 'nyfd reported to us that the building was about to come down and a hazard, so we gave them the ok to take it down'. now the other towers, well...
The pools of molten metal were actually reported by the media quite a bit, but if you don't believe the media just ask the firefighters and rescue workers that saw it for days after the collapse.
WTC complex that included #1 and# 2and 7 was leased to Larry Silverstein. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. Larrys investment 120 million, They started right away work. moving tennats around the 50% occupied building, saying that new high speed elevators were being installed. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed 30 days before 9/11
Tennats reported power outages and large amounts of dust. O by the way Larrys payout 4.6 BILLION
Cables? Do we still need cables to set off explosions?
The WTC was closed down for "maintainence" (the first time in its history) a week prior to 9/11 - plenty of time for a team to get everything in place IMO.
The laws of physics change for NOBODY regardless of our opinions - a building made to those standards does not collapse like that because of either a plane crash/ fire. 2 building CERTAINLY don't. 3 buildings (the third which was virtually unharmed but had an idential collapse)?
I wonder - are you a professional engineer or a scientist? If not, why do you find this man & the many, many other professionals so hard to believe? Its not about politics, its about physics, reality & asking questions to find the truth - no event (and certainly not history changing events) should be closed to investigation. Billions were spent on the Lewinsky scandal but only a couple of million on investigating 9/11, where 3500 people died and a war began? Now its to never be looked at again?
@andy7666 Richard Gage is a sham. Thre's nothing scientific that he's doing in any of his presentations. He's just regurgitating the same tripe that Steven Jones wrote down who he himslef was wrong and lied about his findings.
they probably sprayed it on like extra fireproofing or something probably told the workers they were retro fitting the building or something each person only knew enough to do the job thats all.
Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, bestiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
2 things are extremely obvious! No.1 is that building W7 was brought down by a "controlled demolition" - and No.2 is how absolutely gullible and brain_dead the America public is to believe the Bush Govt's phony "Terrorist" story about 911!!!
@rockondon Well for one it's a stupid comparison. You had a plane crash into it, then a large exlosion after the crash, then you had the fire. In 75' it was just fire alone. Quit being an idiot, and the other seven that agree with you are idiots as well.
Wrong...many architects, particularly in the UK have to study for longer than 5 years before they can become recognised. They are involved in the entire construction process and have to consult with engineers and understand the science.
Civil engineers design the structural components of buildings. Architects design pleasant aesthetics of buildings. Architects are not qualified to make any judgments in the nature of structural failure.
This man has a handful of unqualified architects and engineers behind him, but the rest of the engineers are much smarter.
where did the molten metal come from?that the nasa pics show? your an idiot if you think that building 7 coudl come down at free fall speed symmetricly froma few fires and minor damage. make some intelligent arguments dont make ignorant personal attacks you are not informed your an idiot and a conformist
Aluminum melts in campfires fueled only by wood. It's definitely plausible that the fires in the building fueled by carpeting, drapes, jet fuel, desks etc etc...got up to at least the melting point of Aluminum wouldn't you agree?
Especially when it's a well known fact that building fires typically reach 2000 degrees and sometimes even higher.
By the way, even NIST who is doing the "offical research" into 9/11 admits that the fires were oxegen starved and didn't reach any thing over 1500 degrees. More than enough to melt aluminum, which again is still silver even when liquid, but not nearly enough to melt steel. It certainly isnt' enough to blow 60 ton steel beems 300-400 or 600 yards laterally from the WTC. And it Certainly isn't enough to melt the steel (again admited by NIST) which was found in pools at the bottom of ground zero.
The Molten metal is the single most significant aspect of these collapses. The offical story says that while the fire's weren't hot enough to melt the steel, they weekend it structurally enough to contribute to the collapse. While they're accurate in saying that, this official story doesn't explain how the molten metal got there at all. The temratures recorded weeks after 9/11 indicate that tempratures exceeded 7000 degrees on 9/11. Molten metal is not accountable for in the offical story.
"The temratures recorded weeks after 9/11 indicate that tempratures exceeded 7000 degrees on 9/11. Molten metal is not accountable for in the offical story."
~illumitard~
LOL!!!!!!! Do you know how stupid you sound?
7000 degrees?????
This a True gem, I only get couple of these a week from you guys. I am going to go ahead and save this one for future laughs.
This comming from a person named "Jizzmonger". I will have to save that for my own laughs. Do us all a favor and go polish some knob or something. The estimated tempratures of 7000 degree's can be calculated by knowing that 3 weeks after 9/11 there was STILL molten steel in the debris. It takes some math and understanding of the rate at which molten steel cools in an oxegen starved enviroment but I assure you, you dont have molten steel (2800+F) 3 weeks later with just a simle "fire".
Once again you're flat out wrong. Steel is orange when melted, aluminium is still silver. Try it your self, go melt some pop cans and see what color it gets. Not to mention, come back to your pop cans 3 weeks later and see if their still liquid. I bet you find that you're as stupid as you are hungry for jizz you idiot.
"Steel is orange when melted, aluminium is still silver."
~Illotard~
Aluminum will melt before it turns red just like say, lead but if you get it hotter it turns red just any other metal. If steel is at a temperature where it's glowing red then aluminum also glows red.
Both have about the same amount of luminosity per degree C.
Ok so if it takes 2800 degrees to get steel to a nice orange molten state, then it would take the same 2800 degrees to get aluminum to the same color by your standards. The fact of the matter is, the molten metal was tested and proven to be iron at the bottom of the WTC rubble. You can cry and moan all you want but the only one listening to propaganda here is you and your blind adherance to the goverments official story. Go ask some goverment officals if you can monger some jizz or something
Ok then how do you explain the photos of ground zero, days after 9/11 with heavy excavators using claws to grab large chunks of debris and having large pockets of BRIGHT ORANGE MOLTEN METAL dripping out, flowing like fluid, and going all over the place? I understand things just find, you just think that because "I'm in my third year at UI" you're some kind of big hotshot. Well piss off, the people I learn from have PHD's too! That's why I come back, and that's why I'm not going anywhere, ever.
"days after 9/11 with heavy excavators using claws to grab large chunks of debris and having large pockets of BRIGHT ORANGE MOLTEN METAL"
~illtard~
There were pockets of fire burning still burning within the pile that were heating the metal. Those fires burn at a about 2000 degrees or so rendering steel red hot and aluminum molten and red hot.
And vuala, here we are again discussing the temprature. First of all, hydrocarbon fuels such as Kerosene/Jet fuel burn at a maximum of 1800 degrees, in optimum controlled conditions. So how on earth do you propose the temps got to 2000 degrees? And no, you're wrong about the aluminium, tests prove that the vast majority of the LIQUID METAL WAS IRON. Even if it was aluminum though as you claim, how did it get to 2000 degrees ever, let alone 2000 degrees days and weeks after 911?
"First of all, hydrocarbon fuels such as Kerosene/Jet fuel burn at a maximum of 1800 degrees, in optimum controlled conditions. So how on earth do you propose the temps got to 2000 degrees?"
~Illtard~
Plastics in the office, plane seats etc, normal office fires burn at 2000 degrees. That's been a known fact since long before you were born.
"tests prove that the vast majority of the LIQUID METAL WAS IRON."
Plane seats and plastics burn at 2000 degrees? Since when? plastic will burn up and be devoured by flames at a lot less than 2000 degrees. It surley wont be around to continue burning for weeks after the fact. And as for the other office contents that are all fire retardant by design, 2000 degrees would be an impossible feat to reach. You think those things can burn that hot, for weeks? Prove it, go start a plastic fire and then melt some aluminum with it record the video and post it.
Yeah I do understand the physics involved in the formation of microsphers. First, you need a heat source hot enough to melt IRON. Then you need a voilent EXPLOSIION strong enough to blow the molten IRON into very fine liquid particles that then cool and form solid microscopic spheres. You show me anything that debunks the microspheres as having been created by ANYTHING other than thermite. Somthing published by anyone credible with a PHD. Because they're there, they exist in the dust.
"First, you need a heat source hot enough to melt IRON. Then you need a voilent EXPLOSIION strong enough to blow the molten IRON into very fine liquid particles that then cool and form solid microscopic spheres."
~illtard~
Are you sure? Where did you get the information about the spheres and how did you verify that you need explosives and melting in order for them to form?
Well they're Iron mainly (plus the other components of thermate), and since they're spheres we can logically assume that they were formed in liquid state while suspended in air. Like tiny rain drops of any liquid suspended in air, they form spheres due to surface tension. So liquid Iron spheres that are small, microscopic small, only get so small by being blown from their source. It would obviously be impossible, or highly improbable for perfect Iron spheres to be formed any other way.
"Well they're Iron mainly (plus the other components of thermate), and since they're spheres we can logically assume that they were formed in liquid state while suspended in air."
~Tard~
Where on earth are you coming up with this crap?
"So liquid Iron spheres that are small, microscopic small, only get so small by being blown from their source. It would obviously be impossible, or highly improbable for perfect Iron spheres to be formed any other way."
Oh sure, and the phsical evidence that proves thermite or more specifically thermate (thermite + sulfur) is a fake too? Why don't you go puff on your crack pipe or something. There are over 540 Architects and Engineers who support the controlled demolition explanation of 9/11. You can't sit there and attack every one of these accredited, educated individuals as being unqalified. Anyone who tries to do that is simply stupid them self and gives no credible explanation as to what really happened.
Either you're not paying attention, or you're too stupid to read english. The hypothesis is there and it's existed for 3 years now. The hypothesis is that thermate (Thermite+sulfer) was used to blow up the buildings. The building was probably wired during the power downs that preceded the attacks. This theory which can be tested, has been tested by analyzing microspheres found in the WTC dust and electron microscope anayses proves that thermate elements were present there. Run along now.
"The hypothesis is that thermate (Thermite+sulfer) was used to blow up the buildings"
~Illtard~
LOL!!! Now Thermate is an explosive. LOL!!!
I thought you said the steel was melted?
You don't even know what you are saying. You can't decided whether thermate is an explosive or incediary or whether the towers were melted or blown up!
The towers were exploded. But this was only made possible with the use of thermate to cut the structural steel. You dont reduce 100 million tons of concrete to dust with gravity. You don't get outward pressure throwing several ton chunks of steel 500 yards outward from "Gravity". Gravity pulls down if Im not mistaken, not out. You laugh as though this theory is so impossible but come on jizz monger, explain how gravity throws steel outward.
I don't know dick gage, but I'm sure you got to this site by looking for some dick your self mr. Jizz Monger. By the way, I have watched over 30 movies on 9/11 truth all free online. I dont need to pay to watch movies about 9/11 truth, nobody does. It's free information. These people aren't looking for fame, or DVD sales, they're looking for the truth and Justice, and to help America get off this insane path of destruction subsequently related to world politics since 9/11.
"By the way, I have watched over 30 movies on 9/11 truth"
~illotard~
Right, your education comes from propaganda movies that you believe blindly because you do not possess the technical skills to evaluate the information dispensed in them.
I already said that earlier, thanks for proving my point.
Propaganda, by defenition, is circulated by goverments for the benefit of goverments. It's not made by independent film makers you idiot. You dont even know it (because your brain is full of jizz apparently) but you're proving my point almost with every post.
By the way, all incidary's are bombs but not all bombs are incidiary devices. Thermate/thermite is an incidiary device which is also a bomb, and enough of it will pack one hell of an explosive punch while cutting through anything made of steel with ease. It reaches incredibly hot tempratures, and is the only thing plausable that can explain all the molten metal, the flying debris, the pulverized concrete, the free fall speed, the loud explosion sounds, the tremors, the pyroclastic flows, etc...
"Thermate/thermite is an incidiary device which is also a bomb, and enough of it will pack one hell of an explosive punch while cutting through anything made of steel with ease."
~illtard~
What's an incidiary? We used to use Thermite to weld train tracks together. Are you saying that I was actually not welding the tracks together but blowing them up?
LOL
I am trying to figure out why you are still talking when you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
thermite is used because it burns at extremely high temps. these high temps are used to melt steel. it doesnt matter what you are using it for the principle is same, melting metal. aka welding tracks together or if it is used in explosives, blowing metal appart. tard. i'm in my 3rd year of engineering at UI so im not an idiot so dont try to discredit me by saying i have no clue.
Show me thermite being used to "blow metal appart" LOL
"i'm in my 3rd year of engineering at UI"
~Alphaliartard~
No you're not otherwise you would have stated which discipline you were in, among other things.
Stating a bunch of falsehoods then following up the tirade with "I'm an engineer" only shows how stuck you are trying to cling to your little "thermate did it" belief.
You even lie to yourself and others about what you really are.
I did a little more research today by the way and I found out that there is a substance known as nano-thermites which are the same chemical composition of thermite only using really fine particles (dust). Nano-thermite is both an incidiary, and a high explosive. It would be more than capable of "blowing things up" while also cutting through hot steel. Also, it would explain the presense of micro spheres, created in a molten state, testing positive as having an exact thermite signature.
"Nano-thermite is both an incidiary, and a high explosive."
~illtard~
So did they melt the steel to make the towers collapse, or did they sever it with explosives?
Have you even given it any thought?
No you haven't. You are still just parroting back more nonsense without having a clue what you are talking about. Especially the "Micro Spheres" comment.
After all this no truther has bothered to get some thermite and cut a steel beam and take a video of it.
So did they melt the steel to make the towers collapse, or did they sever it with explosives? Both. Either a combination of thermite and explosives were used, or nano thermite which is both high explosive and incidiary were used to cut the steel.
"Either a combination of thermite and explosives were used, or nano thermite which is both high explosive and incidiary were used to cut the steel."
~iLLTARD~
What materials would be required to detonate such devices? Where were they placed? Who planted them? Why is there ZERO evidence to support your hypothesis?
What is UI anyway? University of Idiots? if so I bet you're at the head of your class. I'm mainly making that wager because I'm sure your professors love it when you brown noze them with some jizz mongering. Does jizz mongering help your grades though at the University of Idiots? Or is it just the fact that you really are a big idiot?
"What is UI anyway? University of Idiots? if so I bet you're at the head of your class. I'm mainly making that wager because I'm sure your professors love it when you brown noze them with some jizz mongering. Does jizz mongering help your grades though at the University of Idiots? Or is it just the fact that you really are a big idiot?"
Congradulations to you, I bet you feel real smart because you use thermite to weld train tracks together. Did you know that in world war two, they used white phospherus to both blow up Ze germans, as well as to weld artillery so it could not be used against us again? They'd just pack a WP bomb down the barrel and let it rip and vuala, melted insides and not a functioning wepon any longer. You're just not listening, the controlled demolition theroy isn't JUST that they used only thermite.
hey fuk you, anyone who beleives in god is a fuken retard and has seriously lost touch with reality so shut your fuking mouth ill use his name in vain whenever the fuk i want
I ordered and paid for this DVD from Dustin Mugford. His website doesn't exist anymore, and he won't answer e-mails to let me know whether I'm going to get my money back or the DVD.
Doesn't one only need to be an American Citizen to question the 9/11 offical story? I don't remember the freedom of speach clause in the constitution stating that you can only speak your mind if you're "qualified by internet blogers to do so" do you? This isn't rocket science people. Everyone had basic mathematics, and some of us had physics classes in High school. You dont need a PHD to have enough smarts to understand what is plausable and what is not. I know fire can't do what we saw on 9/11.
Gravitational PE is released after the fires finally weaken the steel to the point of failure.
You even acknowledged that the fires burned at at least 1500 F, steel is done at 1100 F according to ASTM-E119.
All you have done is proven your own assertions implausible because you absolutely no idea what you are saying and merely parrot back buzzwords and talking points you have picked up from Truther sites.
Define "done" jizzmonger, is "done" a technical term? Or is it something on par with your hot dog being "done" on the camp fire? By the way Underwriters Labs certfied the very steel columns used in the WTC complex by placing it under 2000F temps for 4 hours and it lost ZERO structral strength. So I dont care what your stupid manual says, the very steel used in the WTC complex was tested for heat resistance and proved (with out fire retardant) strong enough to last 4 times longer at higher temps
"By the way Underwriters Labs certfied the very steel columns used in the WTC complex by placing it under 2000F temps for 4 hours and it lost ZERO structral strength."
~illtard~
Again, why do you talk when you know that I know that you know that I know that you don't have a clue what you are saying.
You are parroting back buzzwords and talking points.
What drives to just keep blathering about a topic you know nothing about?
This video is so good that it should have 8,200,000 views rather than the 8,200 that it has right now. Let's get busy linking this video all over the web. I met Richard Gage in NYC at the 2007 rallies for 9/11 truth on Sept. 9-12. I hope to meet him again at the 2008 Sept. 11 rallies in NYC. See you there!
AE911truthdotorg has just one group of who are demanding a new investigation of this crime that has been a lie that has caused crimes of war. Anyone who is a critic should do their own homework and look at WTC building #7. After you see this you know that everything is based on lies. We do not have time to waste on sheep who work their masters. We must get to people who can think for themselves now. We are not looking for the people who work for the criminals. Thanks.
jesus fuking christ u get an architect to study this but he cant even figure that out. if u want to porve a point u have to study both sides of it, then maybe youd realise and ur fuking stupid
situation 2: two gargangtuan buildings just fuken collpased because crazy fanatical mosloms drove airplanes into them which is expected from them, because killing people is wat they do, theyre called terrorists by the way. wat do u think is gona happen to the ground after those buildings fell. perhaps a fuking earthquake or shockwave that would destroy the columns which would make a similar destruction to a controled destruction.
stituation 1: the evil mastermind american government whos top one priority is to kill people in america and irak, divised a plan and set demolition charges without anyone knowing at the base of that building and exploded it.
I don't have a problem with an investigation but do we need an investigation to be told the tons of steel and tons of concrete on every level of the WTC? How much steel was on the 81st floor that had to weaken in 56 minutes?
Do you need a PhD in physics and masters in engineering to know every level had to be strong enough support all levels above it? Didn't the designers in the 60s have to figure that out? So why haven't we heard it from EXPERTS in SIX YEARS?
Im surpirsed that only WTC7 fell from debris and fires from the falling twin towers. Even WTC 3,4,5&6 had huge amounts of damage done but didn't fall. But if what is true about WTC7, then most of NY should have collapsed in a domino effect since fires and falling debris causes failure of buildings. Why did no other sky scrapers fall relative to the other twin tower that fell. It's complete BS!
'Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history. What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.'
Read Article from the Guardian UK Newspaper
ht tp://commentisfree. guardian. co. uk/peter_tatchell/2007/09/9 11_the_big_coverup. html
well what exactly do you want to know? They have told us what they know about the attacks. what else can they tell us? Frankly i'm tired of hearing people say over and over again "we need to know what happened. they haven't told us everything". I'll tell you what happened: bad people did bad things to our country!! thats that!
yea.. but were those bad people from here or the middle east.. or some combination of the two? to me the most damning evidence is the lack of evidence, why was all the steel from the towers melted down and shipped to china? - the biggest crime scene in american history was not investigated properly.
Check out the motives of this before jumping to conclusions. Google Larry Silverstein. Follow the money. A small group of wealthy men did this thing to get into your mind and steal your freedoms, and they did a damn good job of it based on what you just said.
we want the footage seized from the hotels which show the pentagon getting hit, we want to know why top CIA officials were having lunch with men responsible for funding muhammed atta 100,000 dollars the morning of 9/11/01, we want to know why the 9-11 commission was not allowed access to information held by the government, etc. nothing is as simple as "bad people did bad things." i dont believe that people in cave couldve planned this out.
Do we have to be an expert in a field to ask questions? Of course not!
If a doctor told a me "you need your penis amputated" I would ask some hard questions (sorry!). What if the doctor took offense at my questions, insulted me, or refused to answer? He would be lucky if I merely walked out and got another doctor.
clap of thunder? with implosions you hear a series of explosions,not one, shockwave? the "wave" in the video was visible AFTER the building had started to fall, #7came down 7 hours after WTC, I think it would've taken longer than 7 hours to plant explosives to bring it down,if you see programs of companies doing that ,it usually takes a lot of people working for days to plant everything right, this bldg, had 84 ext columns and 24 internal columns,tha'd take longer than 7 hours to plant
If the explosives go off all at once (which needs to happen to take out all columns at the same time) it will create an affect like that.
The explosives would be long planted, ever hear of the eavuations and power downs and strange workmen going in and out of the WTC buildings weeks before 9/11?
No, I've never heard of strange workmen going in and out of WTC prior to 9/11, I don't beleive 9/11 was an "inside job" too many people would have to be in on it, and someone would talk, just like the people who think the airplanes that hit WTC were missles or drones or whatever, if that was true, where are all the real passengers?
Well there were, google 9/11 coincidences and watch part 8.
Please get your facts straight, we dont think a missile hit the WTC, we think it was something other than a Boeing 757 at the PENTAGON. Its impossible to know for sure what really hit the pentagon, but you can rule things out and narrow it down to a few possibilites, a large Boeing is one of the things being ruled out in this case.
What about the aircraft wreckage in videos on the Pentagon lawn? Clearly looks like tail markings(Logo) from an AA aircraft and again; where are the passengers that were on the flight?
Most wreckage at the pentagon was proven to be not from flight 77, such as the JT8D engine found just outside the wall, and the 3 ft. in diameter turbo jet engine. As for the small painted peices of metal too thin to be from a large aircraft, the drone or whatever might have hit the Pentagon I imagine would be painted if this were a coverup. Yea where are they? Absolutely no trace of them was found, the search dogs couldnt even get a hint of their blood. We cant know for sure.
Who proved the wreckage wasn't from the flight that hit the Pentagon? What about the collateral damage to structures in and around the Pentagon? cars on the beltway, lamp posts,etc....for this to be a cover up or some plan staged by our own gov't is just too far-fetched, too many people would have to be in on it, and that many people couldn't stay quite, stop for just one minute,think;could you be possibly looking for something that doesn't exist? or looking for something you want to exist?
Many indepandant investigations, do you think that a JT8D engine and 3 ft. turbo wheel could come from flight 77? There is nothing but a 16ft. hole through 3 rings, fire, and not much else. Cars should have been blown away, they werent. The light poles can be knocked down a by missile with wings attached(assuming it was a missile) or the wingspan of a global hawk. The government keeps so many secerets from the public without anyone talking, this could just be another thing added to the vault.
I have no idea what a JT8D engine looks like, I'm no missle-damage expert, I don't you are either, BUT, the Pentagon damage doesn't look like missle damage, it's too clean, a missle would have caused much more damage,and MOST missles don't come in on a target at that attitude(flying feet off the ground)they come in at altitude,and down,there was a witness website of people ON the Beltway that day, INCLUDING the cab driver, whose cab features prominately in several pictures
A Boeing using RB-211 engines, a JT8D cant come from a Boeing 757. Theres no field in missile damage so you cant be an "expert" on it, but missiles can come in horizontally, if thats what you mean by lattitude, as close to the ground as possible. FYI, a Boeing cant do that. The wall of the Peantagon collapsed and it was steel-reinforced concrete, very strong. I would say it was a lot of damage.
I'm not an expert on missiles, Your telling me a boeing can't come in close to the ground? horizontally? LOL....Have you EVER seen one LAND? Steel reinforced concrete wall?sure, but you have something as big as a plane AND heavy with fuel, going 500mph, No wall is going to stop that, way too much Kinetic energy
When a Boeing is landeing it is going much slower than 500mph., it is near impossible that a pilot an Hani Honjour's level could fly the plane through 5 light poles and have enough energy to keep a straight path 2 ft. off the ground at 530mph.
There is a video on youtube of a space shuttle going at 500mph. into a steel-reinforced concrete wall and the shuttle did literally nothing to the wall except left a small indentation of where it hit.
Here's an analogy, may not be quite relative, You'd never think after looking at some of the prisons in this country, tall electric fences,guards,cells w/bars, etc...that a prisoner could ever escape, but they do!!!not very often, but they still do, it's almost the same as the terrorists, you'd NEVER think someone could get away with it, but they slipped through the cracks,along with some good luck on their part, and pulled it off
Escaping from prison and getting past NORAD are 2 very different things. NORAD has had a 100% success rate before 9/11. When a plane goes off course, ATC reports to higher-ups, if they cant solve the problem they report to NORAD and jets are scrambled to solve the probem. Think of this as escaping from prison with a tracker in your brain you cant turn off and people with weapons who will shoot you at first sign of escaping, your gonna get caught.
Yea, I know the analogy wasn't meant to be exact, my point was,sometimes the simplest of things can confound the most complicated things, that's part of the problem for us, and a benefit to them, the complexity of the system
In this case, your analogy doesnt work. This isnt a movie where people with no power get past everything and accomplish their goal. If it is that easy to get past U.S. defense and kill 3,000 people, South Korea would have done it by now.
No, I'd have to disagree with you there,(S Korea is an ally) N Korea isn't as fanatical, besides the terrorists aren't wearing a flag, if they had of been,it'd made our job much easier, you wouldv'e known exactly where to go, al-queda is everywhere(almost)that's the difficulty, Look back at all the difficulty in VietNam, al-queda is like guerilla fighting
I meant Norht Korea, the ones threatening us with nuclear weapons. You are forgetting that Al-Qaeda is created by the CIA, we know who the members are and probably where they are too. The war on terror is a lost cause just to keep us supporting the government's agenda and to keep making money and controlling oil. All the suicide bombings and this many people were killed today reports you see in the news is just the middle-east fighting thats been happening since biblical times.
Well, the way I see it George Bush is a puppet being controlled by higher-ups, maybe by the central bank. You when JFK rejected that plan Operation Northwoods? Then he got assassinated a few months later. I havent looked into the JFK assassination but if it was a conspiracy, then Im sure thats part of why he was killed. Honestly, I dont know. I guess I would just try to do my best.
LOL...dude, you got to do better than that...LOL I wouldn't want the job, but, I definetly change our foreign policy, I wouldn't go around the world policing and nation building,sure it have effects here in this country, but at least we'd be out of most of our people's problems, I'd say interfere ONLY for our defense, Op Northwoods, I can't recall what it was about, JFK, The most convincing documentary I've seen on that, says MAFIA, for a number of reasons, Bobby Kennedy for one
Yea I wouldnt want the job either dumbass I was just answering your question.
Operation Northwoods was a plan by the U.S. government to stage terror campaigns against its own people to land military bases in Cuba. JFK rejected the plan and then it was released to us after the assassination.
I havent looked at the JFK assassination that much, all I know is it has something to do with a "magic bullet" and grassy knolls.
I don't think a global hawk could carry enough munitions to produce that kind and type of damage to the Pentagon,besides global hawks are prop's, they don't fly that fast, I think it'd have to involve too many people to keep it quite,SOMEONE WOULD SELL their story, or talk, 4 planes full of people? airtraffic controllers? people leaving their families and not telling them?
Military personel said they smelled cordite and the crash site. Cordite is a powerful explosive, maybe the plane was loaded with explosives? The global hawk can fly just as fast as any plane, its meant for spying so it doesnt show up on radar unless its close to the ground. Flight 77 disappeared off radar then reappeared minutes before impact (while it was descending).
A global hawk can't and doesn't fly that fast,it's a propellar driven plane...LOL No way it'll fly as fast as a jet,Cordite? even if the plane was loaded with explosives, Look at all the Dust and Debris,after WTC came down, No way someone could distinquish the smell of cordite in the air.
...You dont know what global hawk is do you? It is a military stealth plane, it flies just as high and fast as a jet. HOLY SHIT we are talking about the Pentagon not the towers!!!
I do now, I have to correct myself, I had a predior in mind, the global hawk is a jet,turbo-fan, but not supersonic, anyway I don't beleive that's how it happened(the way you describe it)
Im not making a direct conclusive stand on what hit the Pentagon, the missile and global hawk theories are just possible things based on the evidence. A Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon in today's high tech security and leaving what it did behind is just ridiculous.
DO you know about where that vid on YT is, the one you mentioned of the shuttle hitting a wall?I'd like to check it out, I do have to agree with today's high tech security, I think it was just what everyone saw, a group of guys(terrorists) that did a little homework, and figured out the system enough to take great advantage of it, I've been told "Truth is stranger than Fiction"
Hey, send me that vid link in a message,if you could,so it won't be scrambled...Well 19 guys didn't have to figure out our WHOLE defense system, all they did was shopped the airlines for info(passenger searches,and what can get past security)that's what's the most insulting thing about it, all our security, and 19 guys get through security with box-cutters and take over planes, the element of surprise was good for them too
Just copy and past it in front of the / in the URL box.
Getting past airport security wouldnt be impossible if you had some elaborate plan. Getting past NORAD's air defense system is pretty much impossible. Then getting past the Pentagon's missile defense system is even harder.
Surprise? The U.S. military was doing a drill replicating the exact same events of that day, the government cant say they didnt anticipate this.
Just watched it, kinda cool,but there are some differences between that and our plane flying into the Pentagon, that wall in the video I'm sure is much thicker and more reinforced than the Pentagon wall, and the plane is a lot smaller and lighter than a commercial aircraft,Pentagon's missile defense? Do they have one? maybe someone on the roof with a stinger
The hole in the Pentagon went through 3 rings, thats 9 feet of steel-reinforced concrete, the wall in the video was just concrete and yes the plane is different, but if a plane that size did virtually nothing to just a concrete wall, I dont think a Boeing could do the damage it allegedly did to the Pentagon.
Yes they do have a missile defense, I dont know much about it but they certainly do.
Of course now, it'd be different, passengers on a hijacked flight would fight back, but then, everyone probably thought, we'll just land somewhere else
Besides these people have been at this type of retaliation for a long long time...they're experts, if our gov't depts would communicate with each other, it could reduce a lot of these attempts
These members were allegedly of Al-Qaeda which was created and funded by the CIA. Some of them lived right next to CIA headquarters.If they really wanted to stop this they easily could have.
Then you think its just a coincidence that the U.S. got all the oil, the central bank and the Carlyle Group are making massive profits, and the PNAC group got to carry out all their ambitions as a result of 9/11 while "terrorists" didnt benefit financially, strategically, or politically from 9/11.
People cant admit that they dont want to beleive their little brains cant conprehend what went on , instead of looking at the facts theyd rather deny it becuase they feel safer at night. Whats more scarrier terrorists killing us or our own government doing it???????
Before you go off taking this man's word as golden because you like what he says; do you believe that the media including BBC was in a cover-up as well? If you believe that then I will not even respond back becuase then I will know that you are ignorant and unreasonable.
But if you are reasonable then I will explain to you that the differences between an architect and a structural engineer are legion. It's hard to find where to begin, but the man talking on this video is light-years away from being qualified enough to make the statements he does.
despite being schooled in an architecture school and have many, many friends who are structural engineers. in new york & new jersey, i would certainly say that i am reasonable, with or without my education. shalom.
If that is true then yourources are deeper than mine. Why don't you ask your friends about what this asshole on the video said? I don't know of any reputable engineers, architects, or scientists that would support what this guy said. Have you read Popular Mechs report on 9/11?
yes, i read it. "air" does not cause "pulverization." force does. perhaps my sources are "deeper" than yours since i also have sources at airports in the regions affected and folks are afraid of loing their jobs, or worse.
Concrete cant be pulverized by a regular pancake collapse. Look at all other pancake collapses in history caused by earthquakes and you will see piles of floors stacked on top of each other and large slabs of intact concrete.
Wow, its really a great thing there are trolls on the internet figuring all this out. The rest of us fucking stupid Americans would just be a bunch of blind mice without you SMARTGUYS, huh. Good looking out!
I didnt say there were earthquakes in NY. Once a pancake collapse starts it doesnt matter what caused it, the end results should be the same if it goes all the way down.
and, if you could, please tell me why WTC's fire sprinklers happened to have failed that day? and why nyfd was not allowed into the secured building to put out the fires?
The people who did this are some sick people who have no respect for humanity..and I'm not talking about Al-Qaida either. You have to be a complete moron to not see that these buildings were purposefully brought down. This stupid American gov't needs "shock-value" with large amoutts of chaos and loss of life to sell their endless war propaganda. There are evil, corrupt elements within the U.S. gov't willing to slaughter their own people for their own personal gain. Sad..just really sad.
Rototill27 8 months ago
@Rototill27 You're an idiot. No bomb material was ever found and thermite especially was never found. The supposed thermite chips that Steven Jones holds in his possession are nothing more than paint chips. Do your research.
godzilla1077 8 months ago
Richard Gage has never worked on a high-rise buildings, yet he's the Jesus of the Truthers
CrazyRay7979 8 months ago
I wonder - are you a professional engineer or a scientist? If not, why do you find this man & the many, many other professionals so hard to believe? Its not about politics, its about physics, reality & asking questions to find the truth - no event should be closed to investigation. Billions were spent on the Lewinsky scandal but only a couple of million on investigating 9/11, where 3500 people died and a war began? Now its to never be looked at again?
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Don't skyscrapers have to hold themselves up?
Doesn't every level have to have enough steel to support the weight of all of the levels above? So why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel that were on every level of the towers by now? The concrete also? Didn't they have to figure that out in the 60s?
What kind of computers did they have then? Can't Gage and his buddies come up with that using today's computers?
psikeyhackr 1 year ago
Not exactly too many living firefighters left to ask. Most have died from the "air safe enough to breathe" blasted on those poor people that day.
HeadsUp51 1 year ago
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this is so boring
originalsupergrover 2 years ago
@originalsupergrover You've had too much fluoride in your water, mercury and aluminum in your vaccinations and Aspartame in your food and drinks. If this is boring, you obviously have no working brain cells left.
rumblerider 2 years ago
@rumblerider well maybe hes just not an american and can care less :p
MrAmericanAce 1 year ago
The people that did this are NOT American. I.e., George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld -- whoever else was involved. NONE of them are American. None of them care about America. They're all Globalists.
rumblerider 1 year ago
@rumblerider u r right ,its not the americans and we all know about the drama,it is against usa and jews involved.
linkplayer32 7 months ago
wtc7 was taken down by the nyfd usind explosive charges, and interestingly it was already wired for demolition. you can find clips on youtube of silverstein, the owner, talking about the very matter to the press in 2001. silverstien says, in paraphrase, 'nyfd reported to us that the building was about to come down and a hazard, so we gave them the ok to take it down'. now the other towers, well...
deemilieu 2 years ago
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This guy is full of bullshit.
At 2:55 he lists pools of molten iron as a feature of controlled demolition? Since when Richard?
Why can't you seem to explain anything else you listed on there? Where were the sounds? No demoliton waves were heard.
What a boob!
fengineer08 2 years ago
The use of thermite prehaps?
andy7666 2 years ago
The pools of molten metal were actually reported by the media quite a bit, but if you don't believe the media just ask the firefighters and rescue workers that saw it for days after the collapse.
pyapor 2 years ago
The same fire fighters who hate all the 9/11 truth idiots? Yea sure I'll ask them.
fengineer08 2 years ago
Questions that this guy cant answer:
1. Why didnt anyone in the WTC see the tons of explosives needed?
2. Where were the miles of cable to wire all the explosives?
3. Where are the hundreds of people needed to move all of the above into the WTC buildings?
Not even one (1) cell phone picture from any of these people of the wired explosives?
Good grief people, whacked out islamic cult members hijacked some planes and drove them into the buildings and the buildings fell down.
Hello?
tjsteele13 2 years ago
i rather believe that guy than a goverment that lied over and over and over again on every possible ocassion and had alot of gain from 9/11
happosai27 2 years ago 2
there were no cell phone camera's in 2001
dell111 2 years ago 2
tjsteele, your a idiot.
WTC complex that included #1 and# 2and 7 was leased to Larry Silverstein. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. Larrys investment 120 million, They started right away work. moving tennats around the 50% occupied building, saying that new high speed elevators were being installed. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed 30 days before 9/11
Tennats reported power outages and large amounts of dust. O by the way Larrys payout 4.6 BILLION
paperhanger1969 2 years ago
Cables? Do we still need cables to set off explosions?
The WTC was closed down for "maintainence" (the first time in its history) a week prior to 9/11 - plenty of time for a team to get everything in place IMO.
The laws of physics change for NOBODY regardless of our opinions - a building made to those standards does not collapse like that because of either a plane crash/ fire. 2 building CERTAINLY don't. 3 buildings (the third which was virtually unharmed but had an idential collapse)?
andy7666 2 years ago
I wonder - are you a professional engineer or a scientist? If not, why do you find this man & the many, many other professionals so hard to believe? Its not about politics, its about physics, reality & asking questions to find the truth - no event (and certainly not history changing events) should be closed to investigation. Billions were spent on the Lewinsky scandal but only a couple of million on investigating 9/11, where 3500 people died and a war began? Now its to never be looked at again?
andy7666 2 years ago 4
@andy7666 Richard Gage is a sham. Thre's nothing scientific that he's doing in any of his presentations. He's just regurgitating the same tripe that Steven Jones wrote down who he himslef was wrong and lied about his findings.
godzilla1077 8 months ago
they probably sprayed it on like extra fireproofing or something probably told the workers they were retro fitting the building or something each person only knew enough to do the job thats all.
127quinn 2 years ago
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Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, bestiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
Les Jamieson
National Coordinator
NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative / NYCCAN
NYsentinel 2 years ago
Google "9/11 Cancers"
WTCnucleardemolition 2 years ago
2 things are extremely obvious! No.1 is that building W7 was brought down by a "controlled demolition" - and No.2 is how absolutely gullible and brain_dead the America public is to believe the Bush Govt's phony "Terrorist" story about 911!!!
OlymPigs2010 2 years ago 2
did you know in 1975 the wtc burned for 6hours straight?nothing happened 9/11=inside job
rockondon 3 years ago 8
@rockondon aww look its old Don ;)
H0LISTIC616 11 months ago
@rockondon Well for one it's a stupid comparison. You had a plane crash into it, then a large exlosion after the crash, then you had the fire. In 75' it was just fire alone. Quit being an idiot, and the other seven that agree with you are idiots as well.
godzilla1077 8 months ago
@ 2:23 - sounds - not heard on the scale required.
@ 2:26 - "Rapid onset of destruction (pause) at the base" - Not applicable to WTC - rapid onset was top down.
@ 2;29 - Dust clouds - Duh.
@ 2:40 - Pools of molten iron - no confirmation of molten iron, just molten material.
I could go on.
waddsworth 3 years ago
I doubt any of you are engineers that work with architects. If you were, you'd seriously LOL at this joker.
waddsworth 3 years ago
Wrong...many architects, particularly in the UK have to study for longer than 5 years before they can become recognised. They are involved in the entire construction process and have to consult with engineers and understand the science.
PersianPaladin 3 years ago
Civil engineers design the structural components of buildings. Architects design pleasant aesthetics of buildings. Architects are not qualified to make any judgments in the nature of structural failure.
This man has a handful of unqualified architects and engineers behind him, but the rest of the engineers are much smarter.
Bobsmithgeorgette 3 years ago
I guess sucking dick makes you an expert,,,asshole
wakenjake420 3 years ago
LOL
Richard Gage just said they used Thermite in controlled demlitions.
That is the funniest thing. I knew this idiot would eventually undoubted prove himself a fake or an idiot.
He has just done both with that comment.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
where did the molten metal come from?that the nasa pics show? your an idiot if you think that building 7 coudl come down at free fall speed symmetricly froma few fires and minor damage. make some intelligent arguments dont make ignorant personal attacks you are not informed your an idiot and a conformist
robaquarian 3 years ago 2
Molten Metal?
Aluminum melts in campfires fueled only by wood. It's definitely plausible that the fires in the building fueled by carpeting, drapes, jet fuel, desks etc etc...got up to at least the melting point of Aluminum wouldn't you agree?
Especially when it's a well known fact that building fires typically reach 2000 degrees and sometimes even higher.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
By the way, even NIST who is doing the "offical research" into 9/11 admits that the fires were oxegen starved and didn't reach any thing over 1500 degrees. More than enough to melt aluminum, which again is still silver even when liquid, but not nearly enough to melt steel. It certainly isnt' enough to blow 60 ton steel beems 300-400 or 600 yards laterally from the WTC. And it Certainly isn't enough to melt the steel (again admited by NIST) which was found in pools at the bottom of ground zero.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
The Molten metal is the single most significant aspect of these collapses. The offical story says that while the fire's weren't hot enough to melt the steel, they weekend it structurally enough to contribute to the collapse. While they're accurate in saying that, this official story doesn't explain how the molten metal got there at all. The temratures recorded weeks after 9/11 indicate that tempratures exceeded 7000 degrees on 9/11. Molten metal is not accountable for in the offical story.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"The temratures recorded weeks after 9/11 indicate that tempratures exceeded 7000 degrees on 9/11. Molten metal is not accountable for in the offical story."
~illumitard~
LOL!!!!!!! Do you know how stupid you sound?
7000 degrees?????
This a True gem, I only get couple of these a week from you guys. I am going to go ahead and save this one for future laughs.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
This comming from a person named "Jizzmonger". I will have to save that for my own laughs. Do us all a favor and go polish some knob or something. The estimated tempratures of 7000 degree's can be calculated by knowing that 3 weeks after 9/11 there was STILL molten steel in the debris. It takes some math and understanding of the rate at which molten steel cools in an oxegen starved enviroment but I assure you, you dont have molten steel (2800+F) 3 weeks later with just a simle "fire".
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"estimated tempratures of 7000 degree's can be calculated by knowing that 3 weeks after 9/11 there was STILL molten steel in the debris"
~Illumintard~
LMFAO!!!!!!! I would enjoy seeing the data and calculations you are citing.
And there was no molten steel, there was molten aluminum because fires continued to burn in the pile for weeks, not because of latent heat.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Once again you're flat out wrong. Steel is orange when melted, aluminium is still silver. Try it your self, go melt some pop cans and see what color it gets. Not to mention, come back to your pop cans 3 weeks later and see if their still liquid. I bet you find that you're as stupid as you are hungry for jizz you idiot.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Steel is orange when melted, aluminium is still silver."
~Illotard~
Aluminum will melt before it turns red just like say, lead but if you get it hotter it turns red just any other metal. If steel is at a temperature where it's glowing red then aluminum also glows red.
Both have about the same amount of luminosity per degree C.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Ok so if it takes 2800 degrees to get steel to a nice orange molten state, then it would take the same 2800 degrees to get aluminum to the same color by your standards. The fact of the matter is, the molten metal was tested and proven to be iron at the bottom of the WTC rubble. You can cry and moan all you want but the only one listening to propaganda here is you and your blind adherance to the goverments official story. Go ask some goverment officals if you can monger some jizz or something
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Ok so if it takes 2800 degrees to get steel to a nice orange molten state"
~Illtard~
No, steel starts glowing visible to the human eye long before it melts.
Your lack of understanding of such simple things as this is why you are a 911 Truther in the first place.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Ok then how do you explain the photos of ground zero, days after 9/11 with heavy excavators using claws to grab large chunks of debris and having large pockets of BRIGHT ORANGE MOLTEN METAL dripping out, flowing like fluid, and going all over the place? I understand things just find, you just think that because "I'm in my third year at UI" you're some kind of big hotshot. Well piss off, the people I learn from have PHD's too! That's why I come back, and that's why I'm not going anywhere, ever.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"days after 9/11 with heavy excavators using claws to grab large chunks of debris and having large pockets of BRIGHT ORANGE MOLTEN METAL"
~illtard~
There were pockets of fire burning still burning within the pile that were heating the metal. Those fires burn at a about 2000 degrees or so rendering steel red hot and aluminum molten and red hot.
Anymore questions?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
And vuala, here we are again discussing the temprature. First of all, hydrocarbon fuels such as Kerosene/Jet fuel burn at a maximum of 1800 degrees, in optimum controlled conditions. So how on earth do you propose the temps got to 2000 degrees? And no, you're wrong about the aluminium, tests prove that the vast majority of the LIQUID METAL WAS IRON. Even if it was aluminum though as you claim, how did it get to 2000 degrees ever, let alone 2000 degrees days and weeks after 911?
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"First of all, hydrocarbon fuels such as Kerosene/Jet fuel burn at a maximum of 1800 degrees, in optimum controlled conditions. So how on earth do you propose the temps got to 2000 degrees?"
~Illtard~
Plastics in the office, plane seats etc, normal office fires burn at 2000 degrees. That's been a known fact since long before you were born.
"tests prove that the vast majority of the LIQUID METAL WAS IRON."
~illtard~
Send me the links to these tests. Thanks!
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Plane seats and plastics burn at 2000 degrees? Since when? plastic will burn up and be devoured by flames at a lot less than 2000 degrees. It surley wont be around to continue burning for weeks after the fact. And as for the other office contents that are all fire retardant by design, 2000 degrees would be an impossible feat to reach. You think those things can burn that hot, for weeks? Prove it, go start a plastic fire and then melt some aluminum with it record the video and post it.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
Yeah I do understand the physics involved in the formation of microsphers. First, you need a heat source hot enough to melt IRON. Then you need a voilent EXPLOSIION strong enough to blow the molten IRON into very fine liquid particles that then cool and form solid microscopic spheres. You show me anything that debunks the microspheres as having been created by ANYTHING other than thermite. Somthing published by anyone credible with a PHD. Because they're there, they exist in the dust.
illuminosticated 3 years ago 2
"First, you need a heat source hot enough to melt IRON. Then you need a voilent EXPLOSIION strong enough to blow the molten IRON into very fine liquid particles that then cool and form solid microscopic spheres."
~illtard~
Are you sure? Where did you get the information about the spheres and how did you verify that you need explosives and melting in order for them to form?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Well they're Iron mainly (plus the other components of thermate), and since they're spheres we can logically assume that they were formed in liquid state while suspended in air. Like tiny rain drops of any liquid suspended in air, they form spheres due to surface tension. So liquid Iron spheres that are small, microscopic small, only get so small by being blown from their source. It would obviously be impossible, or highly improbable for perfect Iron spheres to be formed any other way.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Well they're Iron mainly (plus the other components of thermate), and since they're spheres we can logically assume that they were formed in liquid state while suspended in air."
~Tard~
Where on earth are you coming up with this crap?
"So liquid Iron spheres that are small, microscopic small, only get so small by being blown from their source. It would obviously be impossible, or highly improbable for perfect Iron spheres to be formed any other way."
That's inductive reasoning
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Oh sure, and the phsical evidence that proves thermite or more specifically thermate (thermite + sulfur) is a fake too? Why don't you go puff on your crack pipe or something. There are over 540 Architects and Engineers who support the controlled demolition explanation of 9/11. You can't sit there and attack every one of these accredited, educated individuals as being unqalified. Anyone who tries to do that is simply stupid them self and gives no credible explanation as to what really happened.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
Wow!
540 Architects "believe" the building was blown up but all are too stupid to come up with a working hypothesis that can be evaluated.
Even your pal "Tricky Dick (Gage)" doesn't have one yet....and after all his ranting and raving.
Young man, you have been suckered by a pack of grifters that want to sell you $20.00 a piece DVD's and you bought it lock stock and barrel.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Either you're not paying attention, or you're too stupid to read english. The hypothesis is there and it's existed for 3 years now. The hypothesis is that thermate (Thermite+sulfer) was used to blow up the buildings. The building was probably wired during the power downs that preceded the attacks. This theory which can be tested, has been tested by analyzing microspheres found in the WTC dust and electron microscope anayses proves that thermate elements were present there. Run along now.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"The hypothesis is that thermate (Thermite+sulfer) was used to blow up the buildings"
~Illtard~
LOL!!! Now Thermate is an explosive. LOL!!!
I thought you said the steel was melted?
You don't even know what you are saying. You can't decided whether thermate is an explosive or incediary or whether the towers were melted or blown up!
jizzmonger 3 years ago
The towers were exploded. But this was only made possible with the use of thermate to cut the structural steel. You dont reduce 100 million tons of concrete to dust with gravity. You don't get outward pressure throwing several ton chunks of steel 500 yards outward from "Gravity". Gravity pulls down if Im not mistaken, not out. You laugh as though this theory is so impossible but come on jizz monger, explain how gravity throws steel outward.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
I don't know dick gage, but I'm sure you got to this site by looking for some dick your self mr. Jizz Monger. By the way, I have watched over 30 movies on 9/11 truth all free online. I dont need to pay to watch movies about 9/11 truth, nobody does. It's free information. These people aren't looking for fame, or DVD sales, they're looking for the truth and Justice, and to help America get off this insane path of destruction subsequently related to world politics since 9/11.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"By the way, I have watched over 30 movies on 9/11 truth"
~illotard~
Right, your education comes from propaganda movies that you believe blindly because you do not possess the technical skills to evaluate the information dispensed in them.
I already said that earlier, thanks for proving my point.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Propaganda, by defenition, is circulated by goverments for the benefit of goverments. It's not made by independent film makers you idiot. You dont even know it (because your brain is full of jizz apparently) but you're proving my point almost with every post.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
By the way, all incidary's are bombs but not all bombs are incidiary devices. Thermate/thermite is an incidiary device which is also a bomb, and enough of it will pack one hell of an explosive punch while cutting through anything made of steel with ease. It reaches incredibly hot tempratures, and is the only thing plausable that can explain all the molten metal, the flying debris, the pulverized concrete, the free fall speed, the loud explosion sounds, the tremors, the pyroclastic flows, etc...
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Thermate/thermite is an incidiary device which is also a bomb, and enough of it will pack one hell of an explosive punch while cutting through anything made of steel with ease."
~illtard~
What's an incidiary? We used to use Thermite to weld train tracks together. Are you saying that I was actually not welding the tracks together but blowing them up?
LOL
I am trying to figure out why you are still talking when you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
thermite is used because it burns at extremely high temps. these high temps are used to melt steel. it doesnt matter what you are using it for the principle is same, melting metal. aka welding tracks together or if it is used in explosives, blowing metal appart. tard. i'm in my 3rd year of engineering at UI so im not an idiot so dont try to discredit me by saying i have no clue.
alphacat234 3 years ago
"blowing metal appart"
~alpatard~
Show me thermite being used to "blow metal appart" LOL
"i'm in my 3rd year of engineering at UI"
~Alphaliartard~
No you're not otherwise you would have stated which discipline you were in, among other things.
Stating a bunch of falsehoods then following up the tirade with "I'm an engineer" only shows how stuck you are trying to cling to your little "thermate did it" belief.
You even lie to yourself and others about what you really are.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
I did a little more research today by the way and I found out that there is a substance known as nano-thermites which are the same chemical composition of thermite only using really fine particles (dust). Nano-thermite is both an incidiary, and a high explosive. It would be more than capable of "blowing things up" while also cutting through hot steel. Also, it would explain the presense of micro spheres, created in a molten state, testing positive as having an exact thermite signature.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Nano-thermite is both an incidiary, and a high explosive."
~illtard~
So did they melt the steel to make the towers collapse, or did they sever it with explosives?
Have you even given it any thought?
No you haven't. You are still just parroting back more nonsense without having a clue what you are talking about. Especially the "Micro Spheres" comment.
After all this no truther has bothered to get some thermite and cut a steel beam and take a video of it.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
So did they melt the steel to make the towers collapse, or did they sever it with explosives? Both. Either a combination of thermite and explosives were used, or nano thermite which is both high explosive and incidiary were used to cut the steel.
Go monger some jizz ass hole.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"Either a combination of thermite and explosives were used, or nano thermite which is both high explosive and incidiary were used to cut the steel."
~iLLTARD~
What materials would be required to detonate such devices? Where were they placed? Who planted them? Why is there ZERO evidence to support your hypothesis?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
actually the weekend before 911 marvin bush who ran the security had over 300
guys in the building installing a socalled
new security system with cables.read before you speak son!!!!
rockondon 3 years ago 4
So?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
we were told terrorist bombed it in 93 also
wow twice?we have no security OR THE FBI WAS CAUGHT??OKLAHOMA THEY
FOUND 5BOMBS ON THE STRUCTURE?
rockondon 2 years ago
Why are you asking lots of stupid questions?
jizzmonger 2 years ago
What is UI anyway? University of Idiots? if so I bet you're at the head of your class. I'm mainly making that wager because I'm sure your professors love it when you brown noze them with some jizz mongering. Does jizz mongering help your grades though at the University of Idiots? Or is it just the fact that you really are a big idiot?
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"What is UI anyway? University of Idiots? if so I bet you're at the head of your class. I'm mainly making that wager because I'm sure your professors love it when you brown noze them with some jizz mongering. Does jizz mongering help your grades though at the University of Idiots? Or is it just the fact that you really are a big idiot?"
~illtard~
Do you feel better now?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
yo jizzhead bush sr and jr 2wars??
rockondon 2 years ago
Congradulations to you, I bet you feel real smart because you use thermite to weld train tracks together. Did you know that in world war two, they used white phospherus to both blow up Ze germans, as well as to weld artillery so it could not be used against us again? They'd just pack a WP bomb down the barrel and let it rip and vuala, melted insides and not a functioning wepon any longer. You're just not listening, the controlled demolition theroy isn't JUST that they used only thermite.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
Buy two Hardfire programs featuring Richard Gage debating Mark Roberts at CreateSpace (dot) com/253430
garypopkin 3 years ago
you don't realize the level of the conspiracy cause you don't know the whole plan....don't fall for the anti conspiracy bloggers.
brokencasket 3 years ago
hey fuk you, anyone who beleives in god is a fuken retard and has seriously lost touch with reality so shut your fuking mouth ill use his name in vain whenever the fuk i want
cuz he dont exist
scheusalkind 3 years ago
Man, you need to go in for a vitamin D treatment and a brain transplant. You are seriously, and I mean SERIOUSLY, SICK !!!!!
taterfrog 3 years ago
I ordered and paid for this DVD from Dustin Mugford. His website doesn't exist anymore, and he won't answer e-mails to let me know whether I'm going to get my money back or the DVD.
lanceoftheloc 3 years ago
Architect, NOT engineer.
We only take very simple engineering classes in architecture school.
We DO NOT IN ANY WAY learn about forensic engineering.
Why are we listening to this guy?
Seriously guys.
Stop lying to yourselves.
harr7959 3 years ago
Thank you, this helps a lot.
AkronXXI 3 years ago
Doesn't one only need to be an American Citizen to question the 9/11 offical story? I don't remember the freedom of speach clause in the constitution stating that you can only speak your mind if you're "qualified by internet blogers to do so" do you? This isn't rocket science people. Everyone had basic mathematics, and some of us had physics classes in High school. You dont need a PHD to have enough smarts to understand what is plausable and what is not. I know fire can't do what we saw on 9/11.
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"I know fire can't do what we saw on 9/11."
~illtard~
Gravitational PE is released after the fires finally weaken the steel to the point of failure.
You even acknowledged that the fires burned at at least 1500 F, steel is done at 1100 F according to ASTM-E119.
All you have done is proven your own assertions implausible because you absolutely no idea what you are saying and merely parrot back buzzwords and talking points you have picked up from Truther sites.
jizzmonger 3 years ago
Define "done" jizzmonger, is "done" a technical term? Or is it something on par with your hot dog being "done" on the camp fire? By the way Underwriters Labs certfied the very steel columns used in the WTC complex by placing it under 2000F temps for 4 hours and it lost ZERO structral strength. So I dont care what your stupid manual says, the very steel used in the WTC complex was tested for heat resistance and proved (with out fire retardant) strong enough to last 4 times longer at higher temps
illuminosticated 3 years ago
"By the way Underwriters Labs certfied the very steel columns used in the WTC complex by placing it under 2000F temps for 4 hours and it lost ZERO structral strength."
~illtard~
Again, why do you talk when you know that I know that you know that I know that you don't have a clue what you are saying.
You are parroting back buzzwords and talking points.
What drives to just keep blathering about a topic you know nothing about?
Why do you do that?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
This video is so good that it should have 8,200,000 views rather than the 8,200 that it has right now. Let's get busy linking this video all over the web. I met Richard Gage in NYC at the 2007 rallies for 9/11 truth on Sept. 9-12. I hope to meet him again at the 2008 Sept. 11 rallies in NYC. See you there!
CharlesALindbergh 3 years ago
AE911truthdotorg has just one group of who are demanding a new investigation of this crime that has been a lie that has caused crimes of war. Anyone who is a critic should do their own homework and look at WTC building #7. After you see this you know that everything is based on lies. We do not have time to waste on sheep who work their masters. We must get to people who can think for themselves now. We are not looking for the people who work for the criminals. Thanks.
thisyearout 3 years ago
Can anyone get me that list of engineers he shows at the beginning of this video?
sanpelegrino 3 years ago
(continued)
jesus fuking christ u get an architect to study this but he cant even figure that out. if u want to porve a point u have to study both sides of it, then maybe youd realise and ur fuking stupid
scheusalkind 3 years ago
(continued)
situation 2: two gargangtuan buildings just fuken collpased because crazy fanatical mosloms drove airplanes into them which is expected from them, because killing people is wat they do, theyre called terrorists by the way. wat do u think is gona happen to the ground after those buildings fell. perhaps a fuking earthquake or shockwave that would destroy the columns which would make a similar destruction to a controled destruction.
scheusalkind 3 years ago
omg bunch of fuking retards!
stituation 1: the evil mastermind american government whos top one priority is to kill people in america and irak, divised a plan and set demolition charges without anyone knowing at the base of that building and exploded it.
scheusalkind 3 years ago
It's time R3volution
rolandjrg 3 years ago
The Truth is in sight!
stephencraig444 4 years ago 2
I don't have a problem with an investigation but do we need an investigation to be told the tons of steel and tons of concrete on every level of the WTC? How much steel was on the 81st floor that had to weaken in 56 minutes?
Do you need a PhD in physics and masters in engineering to know every level had to be strong enough support all levels above it? Didn't the designers in the 60s have to figure that out? So why haven't we heard it from EXPERTS in SIX YEARS?
watch?v=z0kUICwO93Q
psikeyhackr 4 years ago
Point for point Gage proves the case for controlled demolition.Great upload,should be seen by every living being on the planet.
Watcherofwords 4 years ago
Fantastic upload!!!
DoubleK2000 4 years ago
Im surpirsed that only WTC7 fell from debris and fires from the falling twin towers. Even WTC 3,4,5&6 had huge amounts of damage done but didn't fall. But if what is true about WTC7, then most of NY should have collapsed in a domino effect since fires and falling debris causes failure of buildings. Why did no other sky scrapers fall relative to the other twin tower that fell. It's complete BS!
alancraig123 4 years ago
THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001
An outline in simple talking points
911truth. org/article. ph p?story=20041221155307646
TyroneSandalphon 4 years ago
'Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history. What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.'
Read Article from the Guardian UK Newspaper
ht tp://commentisfree. guardian. co. uk/peter_tatchell/2007/09/9 11_the_big_coverup. html
TyroneSandalphon 4 years ago
well what exactly do you want to know? They have told us what they know about the attacks. what else can they tell us? Frankly i'm tired of hearing people say over and over again "we need to know what happened. they haven't told us everything". I'll tell you what happened: bad people did bad things to our country!! thats that!
panchobizzarro 4 years ago
yea.. but were those bad people from here or the middle east.. or some combination of the two? to me the most damning evidence is the lack of evidence, why was all the steel from the towers melted down and shipped to china? - the biggest crime scene in american history was not investigated properly.
ecracker44 4 years ago 3
Check out the motives of this before jumping to conclusions. Google Larry Silverstein. Follow the money. A small group of wealthy men did this thing to get into your mind and steal your freedoms, and they did a damn good job of it based on what you just said.
briankofke 4 years ago 3
we want the footage seized from the hotels which show the pentagon getting hit, we want to know why top CIA officials were having lunch with men responsible for funding muhammed atta 100,000 dollars the morning of 9/11/01, we want to know why the 9-11 commission was not allowed access to information held by the government, etc. nothing is as simple as "bad people did bad things." i dont believe that people in cave couldve planned this out.
godtoldmeto 4 years ago
Do we have to be an expert in a field to ask questions? Of course not!
If a doctor told a me "you need your penis amputated" I would ask some hard questions (sorry!). What if the doctor took offense at my questions, insulted me, or refused to answer? He would be lucky if I merely walked out and got another doctor.
RichardC111165 4 years ago 2
9/11/07 -- Global Days of Action
/watch?v=LvuS4NzH8_M
Description on video
TyroneSandalphon 4 years ago
If they would murder all those people in the towers, you think they give a tinkers damn about the passengers?
CINDYSHEEHANWASRIGHT 4 years ago
yeah, but no plane hit wtc7. how do you explain its collapse?
lmmajor 4 years ago
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Push for impeachment of all involved!! Then a fair vote! TELL EVERYBODY
begotka2007 4 years ago
timeforchange2007.blogspot I WILL DO SOMETHING!!!!!! HELP!!!!
begotka2007 4 years ago
clap of thunder? with implosions you hear a series of explosions,not one, shockwave? the "wave" in the video was visible AFTER the building had started to fall, #7came down 7 hours after WTC, I think it would've taken longer than 7 hours to plant explosives to bring it down,if you see programs of companies doing that ,it usually takes a lot of people working for days to plant everything right, this bldg, had 84 ext columns and 24 internal columns,tha'd take longer than 7 hours to plant
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
If the explosives go off all at once (which needs to happen to take out all columns at the same time) it will create an affect like that.
The explosives would be long planted, ever hear of the eavuations and power downs and strange workmen going in and out of the WTC buildings weeks before 9/11?
dudepal187 4 years ago
No, I've never heard of strange workmen going in and out of WTC prior to 9/11, I don't beleive 9/11 was an "inside job" too many people would have to be in on it, and someone would talk, just like the people who think the airplanes that hit WTC were missles or drones or whatever, if that was true, where are all the real passengers?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Well there were, google 9/11 coincidences and watch part 8.
Please get your facts straight, we dont think a missile hit the WTC, we think it was something other than a Boeing 757 at the PENTAGON. Its impossible to know for sure what really hit the pentagon, but you can rule things out and narrow it down to a few possibilites, a large Boeing is one of the things being ruled out in this case.
dudepal187 4 years ago
What about the aircraft wreckage in videos on the Pentagon lawn? Clearly looks like tail markings(Logo) from an AA aircraft and again; where are the passengers that were on the flight?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Most wreckage at the pentagon was proven to be not from flight 77, such as the JT8D engine found just outside the wall, and the 3 ft. in diameter turbo jet engine. As for the small painted peices of metal too thin to be from a large aircraft, the drone or whatever might have hit the Pentagon I imagine would be painted if this were a coverup. Yea where are they? Absolutely no trace of them was found, the search dogs couldnt even get a hint of their blood. We cant know for sure.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Who proved the wreckage wasn't from the flight that hit the Pentagon? What about the collateral damage to structures in and around the Pentagon? cars on the beltway, lamp posts,etc....for this to be a cover up or some plan staged by our own gov't is just too far-fetched, too many people would have to be in on it, and that many people couldn't stay quite, stop for just one minute,think;could you be possibly looking for something that doesn't exist? or looking for something you want to exist?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Many indepandant investigations, do you think that a JT8D engine and 3 ft. turbo wheel could come from flight 77? There is nothing but a 16ft. hole through 3 rings, fire, and not much else. Cars should have been blown away, they werent. The light poles can be knocked down a by missile with wings attached(assuming it was a missile) or the wingspan of a global hawk. The government keeps so many secerets from the public without anyone talking, this could just be another thing added to the vault.
dudepal187 4 years ago
I have no idea what a JT8D engine looks like, I'm no missle-damage expert, I don't you are either, BUT, the Pentagon damage doesn't look like missle damage, it's too clean, a missle would have caused much more damage,and MOST missles don't come in on a target at that attitude(flying feet off the ground)they come in at altitude,and down,there was a witness website of people ON the Beltway that day, INCLUDING the cab driver, whose cab features prominately in several pictures
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
A Boeing using RB-211 engines, a JT8D cant come from a Boeing 757. Theres no field in missile damage so you cant be an "expert" on it, but missiles can come in horizontally, if thats what you mean by lattitude, as close to the ground as possible. FYI, a Boeing cant do that. The wall of the Peantagon collapsed and it was steel-reinforced concrete, very strong. I would say it was a lot of damage.
dudepal187 4 years ago
I'm not an expert on missiles, Your telling me a boeing can't come in close to the ground? horizontally? LOL....Have you EVER seen one LAND? Steel reinforced concrete wall?sure, but you have something as big as a plane AND heavy with fuel, going 500mph, No wall is going to stop that, way too much Kinetic energy
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
When a Boeing is landeing it is going much slower than 500mph., it is near impossible that a pilot an Hani Honjour's level could fly the plane through 5 light poles and have enough energy to keep a straight path 2 ft. off the ground at 530mph.
There is a video on youtube of a space shuttle going at 500mph. into a steel-reinforced concrete wall and the shuttle did literally nothing to the wall except left a small indentation of where it hit.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Also, when a plane is landing it is coming down at sort of an angle, it is not flying perfectly straight.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Here's an analogy, may not be quite relative, You'd never think after looking at some of the prisons in this country, tall electric fences,guards,cells w/bars, etc...that a prisoner could ever escape, but they do!!!not very often, but they still do, it's almost the same as the terrorists, you'd NEVER think someone could get away with it, but they slipped through the cracks,along with some good luck on their part, and pulled it off
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Escaping from prison and getting past NORAD are 2 very different things. NORAD has had a 100% success rate before 9/11. When a plane goes off course, ATC reports to higher-ups, if they cant solve the problem they report to NORAD and jets are scrambled to solve the probem. Think of this as escaping from prison with a tracker in your brain you cant turn off and people with weapons who will shoot you at first sign of escaping, your gonna get caught.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Yea, I know the analogy wasn't meant to be exact, my point was,sometimes the simplest of things can confound the most complicated things, that's part of the problem for us, and a benefit to them, the complexity of the system
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
In this case, your analogy doesnt work. This isnt a movie where people with no power get past everything and accomplish their goal. If it is that easy to get past U.S. defense and kill 3,000 people, South Korea would have done it by now.
dudepal187 4 years ago 2
No, I'd have to disagree with you there,(S Korea is an ally) N Korea isn't as fanatical, besides the terrorists aren't wearing a flag, if they had of been,it'd made our job much easier, you wouldv'e known exactly where to go, al-queda is everywhere(almost)that's the difficulty, Look back at all the difficulty in VietNam, al-queda is like guerilla fighting
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
I meant Norht Korea, the ones threatening us with nuclear weapons. You are forgetting that Al-Qaeda is created by the CIA, we know who the members are and probably where they are too. The war on terror is a lost cause just to keep us supporting the government's agenda and to keep making money and controlling oil. All the suicide bombings and this many people were killed today reports you see in the news is just the middle-east fighting thats been happening since biblical times.
dudepal187 4 years ago
So what's your solution? if you were President, what would you do?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Well, the way I see it George Bush is a puppet being controlled by higher-ups, maybe by the central bank. You when JFK rejected that plan Operation Northwoods? Then he got assassinated a few months later. I havent looked into the JFK assassination but if it was a conspiracy, then Im sure thats part of why he was killed. Honestly, I dont know. I guess I would just try to do my best.
dudepal187 4 years ago
LOL...dude, you got to do better than that...LOL I wouldn't want the job, but, I definetly change our foreign policy, I wouldn't go around the world policing and nation building,sure it have effects here in this country, but at least we'd be out of most of our people's problems, I'd say interfere ONLY for our defense, Op Northwoods, I can't recall what it was about, JFK, The most convincing documentary I've seen on that, says MAFIA, for a number of reasons, Bobby Kennedy for one
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Yea I wouldnt want the job either dumbass I was just answering your question.
Operation Northwoods was a plan by the U.S. government to stage terror campaigns against its own people to land military bases in Cuba. JFK rejected the plan and then it was released to us after the assassination.
I havent looked at the JFK assassination that much, all I know is it has something to do with a "magic bullet" and grassy knolls.
dudepal187 4 years ago
But from looking at the zapruder film, it looks to me JFK was shot from 2 different angles, I do think there was more than 1 person shooting at him
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
I don't think a global hawk could carry enough munitions to produce that kind and type of damage to the Pentagon,besides global hawks are prop's, they don't fly that fast, I think it'd have to involve too many people to keep it quite,SOMEONE WOULD SELL their story, or talk, 4 planes full of people? airtraffic controllers? people leaving their families and not telling them?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Military personel said they smelled cordite and the crash site. Cordite is a powerful explosive, maybe the plane was loaded with explosives? The global hawk can fly just as fast as any plane, its meant for spying so it doesnt show up on radar unless its close to the ground. Flight 77 disappeared off radar then reappeared minutes before impact (while it was descending).
dudepal187 4 years ago
A global hawk can't and doesn't fly that fast,it's a propellar driven plane...LOL No way it'll fly as fast as a jet,Cordite? even if the plane was loaded with explosives, Look at all the Dust and Debris,after WTC came down, No way someone could distinquish the smell of cordite in the air.
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
...You dont know what global hawk is do you? It is a military stealth plane, it flies just as high and fast as a jet. HOLY SHIT we are talking about the Pentagon not the towers!!!
dudepal187 4 years ago
I do now, I have to correct myself, I had a predior in mind, the global hawk is a jet,turbo-fan, but not supersonic, anyway I don't beleive that's how it happened(the way you describe it)
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Im not making a direct conclusive stand on what hit the Pentagon, the missile and global hawk theories are just possible things based on the evidence. A Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon in today's high tech security and leaving what it did behind is just ridiculous.
dudepal187 4 years ago
DO you know about where that vid on YT is, the one you mentioned of the shuttle hitting a wall?I'd like to check it out, I do have to agree with today's high tech security, I think it was just what everyone saw, a group of guys(terrorists) that did a little homework, and figured out the system enough to take great advantage of it, I've been told "Truth is stranger than Fiction"
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
watch?v=qR0f8n10DR4
Theres the video.
Wow if you think that 19 guys can figure out America's defense system we would be prone to mass bombings any day.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Hey, send me that vid link in a message,if you could,so it won't be scrambled...Well 19 guys didn't have to figure out our WHOLE defense system, all they did was shopped the airlines for info(passenger searches,and what can get past security)that's what's the most insulting thing about it, all our security, and 19 guys get through security with box-cutters and take over planes, the element of surprise was good for them too
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Just copy and past it in front of the / in the URL box.
Getting past airport security wouldnt be impossible if you had some elaborate plan. Getting past NORAD's air defense system is pretty much impossible. Then getting past the Pentagon's missile defense system is even harder.
Surprise? The U.S. military was doing a drill replicating the exact same events of that day, the government cant say they didnt anticipate this.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Just watched it, kinda cool,but there are some differences between that and our plane flying into the Pentagon, that wall in the video I'm sure is much thicker and more reinforced than the Pentagon wall, and the plane is a lot smaller and lighter than a commercial aircraft,Pentagon's missile defense? Do they have one? maybe someone on the roof with a stinger
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
The hole in the Pentagon went through 3 rings, thats 9 feet of steel-reinforced concrete, the wall in the video was just concrete and yes the plane is different, but if a plane that size did virtually nothing to just a concrete wall, I dont think a Boeing could do the damage it allegedly did to the Pentagon.
Yes they do have a missile defense, I dont know much about it but they certainly do.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Of course now, it'd be different, passengers on a hijacked flight would fight back, but then, everyone probably thought, we'll just land somewhere else
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Besides these people have been at this type of retaliation for a long long time...they're experts, if our gov't depts would communicate with each other, it could reduce a lot of these attempts
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
These members were allegedly of Al-Qaeda which was created and funded by the CIA. Some of them lived right next to CIA headquarters.If they really wanted to stop this they easily could have.
Then you think its just a coincidence that the U.S. got all the oil, the central bank and the Carlyle Group are making massive profits, and the PNAC group got to carry out all their ambitions as a result of 9/11 while "terrorists" didnt benefit financially, strategically, or politically from 9/11.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Well said, its through evaluation and a scientific method that the truth will be found.
infokemp3 4 years ago
People cant admit that they dont want to beleive their little brains cant conprehend what went on , instead of looking at the facts theyd rather deny it becuase they feel safer at night. Whats more scarrier terrorists killing us or our own government doing it???????
jflo069 4 years ago
LOONY, LOONY, LOONY, QUACK!!!
segn66 4 years ago
lol, this really thinks he knows what he's talking about. He's an "architect", not an engineer.
segn66 4 years ago
do you not know that architects are schooled in structural physics? or are you mocking what you desire2denounce because you love a lie?
GOTTshua 4 years ago
Before you go off taking this man's word as golden because you like what he says; do you believe that the media including BBC was in a cover-up as well? If you believe that then I will not even respond back becuase then I will know that you are ignorant and unreasonable.
segn66 4 years ago
But if you are reasonable then I will explain to you that the differences between an architect and a structural engineer are legion. It's hard to find where to begin, but the man talking on this video is light-years away from being qualified enough to make the statements he does.
segn66 4 years ago
despite being schooled in an architecture school and have many, many friends who are structural engineers. in new york & new jersey, i would certainly say that i am reasonable, with or without my education. shalom.
GOTTshua 4 years ago
If that is true then yourources are deeper than mine. Why don't you ask your friends about what this asshole on the video said? I don't know of any reputable engineers, architects, or scientists that would support what this guy said. Have you read Popular Mechs report on 9/11?
segn66 4 years ago
yes, i read it. "air" does not cause "pulverization." force does. perhaps my sources are "deeper" than yours since i also have sources at airports in the regions affected and folks are afraid of loing their jobs, or worse.
GOTTshua 4 years ago
"air"? you mean "air pressure"? There was plenty of force anyway...a building was falling down.
segn66 4 years ago
Concrete cant be pulverized by a regular pancake collapse. Look at all other pancake collapses in history caused by earthquakes and you will see piles of floors stacked on top of each other and large slabs of intact concrete.
dudepal187 4 years ago
Wow, its really a great thing there are trolls on the internet figuring all this out. The rest of us fucking stupid Americans would just be a bunch of blind mice without you SMARTGUYS, huh. Good looking out!
segn66 4 years ago
true, but when were earthquakes in NY? and don't tell me that a plane can produce that much force!
lmmajor 4 years ago
I didnt say there were earthquakes in NY. Once a pancake collapse starts it doesnt matter what caused it, the end results should be the same if it goes all the way down.
dudepal187 4 years ago
and, if you could, please tell me why WTC's fire sprinklers happened to have failed that day? and why nyfd was not allowed into the secured building to put out the fires?
GOTTshua 4 years ago