do u really think battery technology will improve over the years? I just have a hard time believing that. There's too many forces against the electric car. ppl in the 70's or 80's thought that computers wouldn't be very useful in the future,,,but they also thought by the year 2000, we'd have flying cars and jet packs.
Batteries are just now beginning to be massed produced in America. Batteries will get cheaper, gas will become more expensive. The first computers were large, expensive and did very little, some one supported them as they are inexpensive and powerful today. The cost in maintenance for a ICE will be what I spend in electricity to fuel in my car. My motor can go more than a million miles. This is technology that has been kept from the public by the interest of a few. Namely auto and oil Corp
@freeridelectric don't hold your breath. ppl have been saying that for ever.....batteries will be mass produced and become cheaper and better and blah blah blah...it just isn't happening.
@creamyfilling102 Sorry I don't want to wait for the government and others to make EV's cheap, I can see the future and 20% efficiency of the internal combustion engine is/ has always been extremely wasteful. The current revenue streams for oil and auto corps and will not be given up easily. There is much brain washing enertia that needs to be overcome. I would rather support the Koreans and Americans for doing the right thing and use domestic fuel. Batteries costs are half from 5 years ago
@creamyfilling102 You support exporting 600 billion for fuel form terrorists. I support using clean domestic fuel. There is much brain washing enertia that needs to be overcome. Batteries costs are half from 5 years ago and will continue this trend. The cost of oil will continue it's trend upward. 80% of the energy you use to go down the road is waisted in heat, 20% is used to propell you down the road. EV's use 80% to propell, 20% is wasted. I am conseving much energy, you not so much.
@freeridelectric sure 80 percent of the power is used to propel the car and only 20 is wasted in electric, but remember 50 percent of the fuel is wasted at the power plant and even more through all the transmission lines and transformers, and in the batteries themselves. so by the time the car actualy gets moving down the road, it's far less than 80 percent. not that i'm particularly opposed to them, i just don't think they'll solve a whole lot. who knows maybe they will idk.
@creamyfilling102 Damn, I did not know how this message board works. Sorry for giving you three replies. Please allow for the drilling, tanker transport, refining, and distribution of gas if you are including inefficiencies of power plants and transmission lines as well as charging. Are you familiar with KISS. To keep it simple 1 gal of gas = 36.6 kwh of energy. On those 36.6 kwh my car will go 183 miles. How far will your ICE car go? My guess is not so far. Thus the superior efficiency
@creamyfilling102 Wake up! Battery prices have been cut in half in 5 years. This trend will continue. With gas, not so much.Wait for the government to show you about the virtues of EV's. EV will use domestic fuel and be produced domestically. Not support, deficits and countries that hate us. Oil, the cause of and answer to all our economies problems. Oil is a parasite, sucking the blood out of our economy just as it gets to 5% unemployment, prices will rise and kill economic development.
Here is a hint it is not what you pay at the gas pump.
Consider this if there were millions of EV produced they would be much less expensive. The auto companies love the maintenace and repair income they receive from you.
True, but so will the koreans off the 15 k you will pay every 5-10 years off the batteries?
Im not trying to say an EV yaris is bad, I would love to have one, and if I have my car when it starts to give me problems I would consider turning it into an EV.
Im just saying, its more cost effective for gas version currently... and as for repairs, someone has gotten 300k+ miles on his yaris, without major repairs.. you on yaris forums?
@dg4rez Yea I have been on the Yaris forums, 300k is the exception not the rule. For every 300k ICE car with out repairs I can show you 100 ICE cars that needed major repairs before 100k. The government subsidises the price of gas so you don't have to pay the full price. The trade deficit alone for oil is killing this country. We barrow from China to pay the middle east for oil not so we can make a useful product but so we can burn it. We create tons of pollution just refining it.
O_O. I'm converting my Yaris to electric as soon as possible. That's way too cool.
mydunpeal 2 years ago
do u really think battery technology will improve over the years? I just have a hard time believing that. There's too many forces against the electric car. ppl in the 70's or 80's thought that computers wouldn't be very useful in the future,,,but they also thought by the year 2000, we'd have flying cars and jet packs.
creamyfilling102 2 years ago
Batteries are just now beginning to be massed produced in America. Batteries will get cheaper, gas will become more expensive. The first computers were large, expensive and did very little, some one supported them as they are inexpensive and powerful today. The cost in maintenance for a ICE will be what I spend in electricity to fuel in my car. My motor can go more than a million miles. This is technology that has been kept from the public by the interest of a few. Namely auto and oil Corp
freeridelectric 2 years ago
@freeridelectric don't hold your breath. ppl have been saying that for ever.....batteries will be mass produced and become cheaper and better and blah blah blah...it just isn't happening.
creamyfilling102 1 year ago
@creamyfilling102 Sorry I don't want to wait for the government and others to make EV's cheap, I can see the future and 20% efficiency of the internal combustion engine is/ has always been extremely wasteful. The current revenue streams for oil and auto corps and will not be given up easily. There is much brain washing enertia that needs to be overcome. I would rather support the Koreans and Americans for doing the right thing and use domestic fuel. Batteries costs are half from 5 years ago
freeridelectric 1 year ago
@creamyfilling102 You support exporting 600 billion for fuel form terrorists. I support using clean domestic fuel. There is much brain washing enertia that needs to be overcome. Batteries costs are half from 5 years ago and will continue this trend. The cost of oil will continue it's trend upward. 80% of the energy you use to go down the road is waisted in heat, 20% is used to propell you down the road. EV's use 80% to propell, 20% is wasted. I am conseving much energy, you not so much.
freeridelectric 1 year ago
@freeridelectric sure 80 percent of the power is used to propel the car and only 20 is wasted in electric, but remember 50 percent of the fuel is wasted at the power plant and even more through all the transmission lines and transformers, and in the batteries themselves. so by the time the car actualy gets moving down the road, it's far less than 80 percent. not that i'm particularly opposed to them, i just don't think they'll solve a whole lot. who knows maybe they will idk.
creamyfilling102 1 year ago
@creamyfilling102 Damn, I did not know how this message board works. Sorry for giving you three replies. Please allow for the drilling, tanker transport, refining, and distribution of gas if you are including inefficiencies of power plants and transmission lines as well as charging. Are you familiar with KISS. To keep it simple 1 gal of gas = 36.6 kwh of energy. On those 36.6 kwh my car will go 183 miles. How far will your ICE car go? My guess is not so far. Thus the superior efficiency
freeridelectric 1 year ago
@creamyfilling102 Wake up! Battery prices have been cut in half in 5 years. This trend will continue. With gas, not so much.Wait for the government to show you about the virtues of EV's. EV will use domestic fuel and be produced domestically. Not support, deficits and countries that hate us. Oil, the cause of and answer to all our economies problems. Oil is a parasite, sucking the blood out of our economy just as it gets to 5% unemployment, prices will rise and kill economic development.
freeridelectric 1 year ago
26,000 for the upgrade?
thats 9,450 gallons of gas (at $2.75 gal)
thats 945 fill-ups
I fill-up 2 times a month, thats 24 fill-ups a year, so, it would be cost effective, if I had the car for 39 years?
dg4rez 2 years ago
Do you know what the true price of gas is?
Here is a hint it is not what you pay at the gas pump.
Consider this if there were millions of EV produced they would be much less expensive. The auto companies love the maintenace and repair income they receive from you.
freeridelectric 2 years ago
True, but so will the koreans off the 15 k you will pay every 5-10 years off the batteries?
Im not trying to say an EV yaris is bad, I would love to have one, and if I have my car when it starts to give me problems I would consider turning it into an EV.
Im just saying, its more cost effective for gas version currently... and as for repairs, someone has gotten 300k+ miles on his yaris, without major repairs.. you on yaris forums?
dg4rez 2 years ago
@dg4rez Yea I have been on the Yaris forums, 300k is the exception not the rule. For every 300k ICE car with out repairs I can show you 100 ICE cars that needed major repairs before 100k. The government subsidises the price of gas so you don't have to pay the full price. The trade deficit alone for oil is killing this country. We barrow from China to pay the middle east for oil not so we can make a useful product but so we can burn it. We create tons of pollution just refining it.
freeridelectric 1 year ago
$42,000.00 I will sell it for that, then order another.
freeridelectric 2 years ago
how much this car worth?
Sirwalter24 2 years ago