Sad. Evolution is not a fact. There is no real prove to show that the number of chromosomes will change in natural or accidental way, and the new creature can reproduce. Until it is proved this can happen, natural selection is just a theory. Not a fact. Resistance of the fittest can prove that the fittest will survive and the weak will die. Not that the strong will evolve in any way.
@BlackHawkEU Clearly you don't understand the idea that the strong of each generation survive to reproduce and pass on their 'strong' adaptations. Try Wikipedia.
@klumpeet I do get that. And I am convinced it is so. I am convinced that some changes happen. But those are variations in the same specie. Until one can prove that a new specie can be obtained by those changes, is just speculation. It may be true. But it may not be. Basic science says that something is not true until you can prove that it is. So far, people just say that it is.
@Ahdanack I think it is still no prove of the theory, so it stays a theory, watch?v=lJNgTUhTJvg&feature=related
This video deals with other theories that are a bit different, I am not saying that are true. But are just as valid and unsubstantiated as the evolution theory.
@BlackHawkEU In science, a theory is never proved, it can only be disproved or supported. Theories never become fact. A theory is the highest level of confidence science can assign to an explanation of facts. Would you say the same of gravity theory, germ theory, economic theory, string theory, theory of relativity, etc?
@BlackHawkEU P.S. Just google talk origins transitional and also watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU. Please remember that speciation is when one group can no longer chemically breed with the parent group. See domestic dogs and the African wolf. (Sorry, youtube doesn't like it when I put in web sites.)
I noted in his books that Dr. Sagan didn't seem to fully grasp the "Design" argument. Ironically, neither do the proponents of Intelligent Design. As Dr. Sagan points out, the genius of the Classical world was jettisoned by the barbarians. Sadly, he also disregarded important aspects of Ancient, Medieval, and even Enlightenment thinking. He was not a philosopher - but a brilliant man who made important contributions.
Evolution is obvious... but the facts of evolution are not so appearant because of lost species and geographic/continental drift. (ie the dots that are connected)
I get really bored of Christians trolling forums to criticise videos etc. God is big enough and old enough to take care of himself, the best way to avoid these bully-boys with their vast swathes of indisputable evidence is just to ignore them
It strikes me as so obvious that evolution is a fact of both nature and history that I am shaken by the thought that another believes the Earth to be 5,000 years old.
The watchmaker argument wasn't a very good argument I think because watches cannot make other watches, they do not replicate. However as with all the animals and plants on life do replicate. A complex organism traces it's history back to an ogranism less complex, and so on all the way back to something simple, the first life on earth.
In the long run, it's really a silly debate. Whether or not a God exists has no real bearing on whether or not the laws of nature exist. A truly omnipotent being could have just as easily had a goal in mind and then created a system of "laws" that would eventually get there as it could just do it all with a snap of the fingers (where's the fun in that...). Personally, I think we spend too much time bickering over the physics engine and not enough time actually playing the game...
@possumverde "Personally, I think we spend too much time bickering over the physics engine and not enough time actually playing the game..." WIN! So true.
Ah, but the bickering is part of the game for some. Some people are argumentative, and derive immense pleasure out of the bickering. Yes, in some cases it is incredibly annoying, but in other cases, the bickering leads to a conclusion that allows the game to progress in a way it couldn't before.
Everyone is valuable at some point. Even the ugliest of dogs have their day....
The vile hatred shown by both sides of this debate is the reason I rarely post. I don't mind people sharing their opinions/beliefs, so long as they remain civil. Indeed, anonymity allows cowards a voice. As for the debate, how can anyone know 100% either way? You may THINK you're right, but are you? Dr. Sagan, the most brilliant thinker of our time, never called himself an atheist. He said, "an atheist has to know a lot more than I know." We need to emulate Sagan by keeping open minds.
@jasonsaladin The measure of the passage of time is something humans came up with we could also call this the year 4 billion something because of the age of the earth that does not prove jesus existed, but if you choose to believe in some magical figure believe in Apollonius of Tyana he one upped Jesus by walking through walls.
@comicreaper hey fucker, did jason ever say he believed in the "magic" or miracles jesus performed? no. i don't get you atheists, you make me look like a douchebag because of the way you treat christians. shit, i mean you always get on their ass and call their god magic and shit. jason was trying to learn about evolution and was asking argumentive questions so he could get answers from you guys to better his knowledge of evolution. but you're too much of a fucking asshole to notice that.
This episode is the best explanation I have ever seen or heard about how evolution happens. The Creationists should watch this, and then try to explain as logically and with evidence to the same effect. It all comes down to this: "Well God created everything as we are and man in his image, and I know it because the Bible tells me so."
IMHO, Natural Selection, as a scientific theory, is probably on sounder footing than even Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
It's not so stupid at all. Jesus actually isn't a confirmed historical figure. Josephus's account was heavily manipulated by Eusebius after the fact. It's not a reliable account.
Secondly, Jesus as the Bible presents him incorporates pieces of the characters of Mithras (healing abilities), Dionysos (the Greek "hanging god," from whom we originally got the cross), and Hercules (the heroic element).
@uktransplantedyank nothing is a reliable account. we will all die and forever vanish from the world we know. who cares if evolution is wrong or right? just live it up with alcohol every day!!! yeaaaah!!!
Well I don't know what fossils you looked at, homo sapians have only existed for a few thousand years. Both humans and monkeys decended from a common ancestor but humans went down one path in the fork in the evolutionary road and monkeys went another way to form what we see today. We can also analyse genetic evidense. Also I don't get why you're talking about whether Jesus existed. There are roman records about a man called Jesus and other historical artifacts.
@sondano did you expect for a picasco art on their backs to appear? Of course it's not a perfect drawing, but you do see the clear sketches representing samurai warriors, otherwise go get some glasses
@jasonsaladin you should explain why there are no fossils which look exactly like homo sapiens sapiens! if we always looked the same we would have found the remains of a modern human together with those of a dinosaur. explain this without suggesting that it was a trick of the superdevil.
@jasonsaladin once again i did not assume that you're christian. it's all happening in your head, like what happens in some guy's head when he believes in something that doesn't exist. you believe i think you're christian. you believe a lot! if in your logic that means that i consider you as a christian than i understand why you think there is evidence for a historical jesus of nazareth. i read german books about history. i don't know what they teach in texas or ohio.
@bizarrrr jesus existed just like buddha and mohammad did. there is no evidence for their deity but history validates that they really existed. you're a jackass for saying that jesus didn't exist. that's like saying the holocaust never happened. so shut the fuck up and get your shit right before you make yourself look like an ass. i am an atheist but even i know jesus existed! my god, some people are ignorant as fuck these days.
@tomoceana1 there is proof that mohammed existed because he wrote a book. the book about jesus was written more than 80 years after his supposed date of death. he is not mentioned in roman records and there has been no trial under pilatus (who existed) about some guy who claimed to be the son of god. since this discussion gets more and more offensive i expect you to prove your point by sending me a link to a reliable source. maybe historians (REAL HISTORIANS) who deal with that kind of stuff.
@bizarrrr wow you little fucker, you spelt mohammed wrong. anyways read up on josephus the historian. and why the hell would jesus disciples die for him if he didn't exist? thousands of christians were persecuted during the reign of nero for a "lie?". that's bullshit you dumb fuck. quit being such an ass like most atheists and open your fucking eyes. its okay to admit jesus existed, that doesn't mean he was god. i am an atheist and i believe he existed, but not that he was god.
@tomoceana1 i spelt mohammed wrong? so you also have no clue of linguistics. there is no right way to spell his name except you're writing it in arabic letters. josephus the historian :D i was talking about historians who were alive at least 100 years ago. you know, guys who studied history or archaeology LOL there is still a discussion about the authenticity of the writings of josephus. it's enough man, you win and i'm off!!! :)
@bizarrrr you are the biggest asshole on youtube. you were implying that jason was a christian, you must be on drugs or something dude. holy shitttttt.
@tomoceana1 all smart people are assholes to those of inferior intelligence. losing every argument makes people go crazy. i have to admit that i'm unfortunately by far not the biggest asshole on youtube. matt dillahunty and dawkins are the greatest assholes!
That's the attitude, let's all return to the dark ages. Let's kill all the people who care about knowledge and truth, burn all the books that contain silly facts, and return to a world governed by superstition and anarchic rule.
The real assholes are those that would promote the ignorance that will lead to the ruin of all that has been worked for over the past few thousand years.
@jasonsaladin "christians" and catholics are completely different? did you mean protestants and catholics? catholics are christian too and some catholics believe in the genesis but the the head of the catholic church says, that evolution is not a theory. what do you mean by difference between christians and catholics? who do you mean by "you guys"? are really all christians nice people or only 99 percent? am i an idiot if i just disagree? is that what jesus taught you?
@jasonsaladin there is a lot of proof for evolution and no historical evidence for the existence of jesus christ. since i don't know you personally i can't determine whether you are christian or not and even if you were, that wouldn't indicate a position against evolution because even the vatican considers the evolution to be more than a theory and the only reasonable explanation for our existence. sorry for my bad english.
99% of the human ancestral fossil record has now been accumulated from hundreds od fossils, dunno why you're saying theres no evidence that humans evolved. The proof is undeniable. Also theres a misconception about theory in the theory of evolution. Evolution itself is regarded as fact, the theory in the theory of evolution is the theory of the exact mathematical mechanism of that process. Evolution itself is not in doubt.
@bizarrrr why the hate towards christians? there are other theistic religions out there that deny the theory of evolution as well. why pick on these guys so much?
My arm fell off, then God put it back on...buty after I rode around in the mouth of a Whale for a few days...and then I had sex with my daughters after their mother was turned to salt and then some snake spoke to me.....
you're right. I was thinking about biology being the science, and therefore astrology being the science there. And yes, I was referring to his death, not the date of this production.
@HORNHost even the vatican has proclaimed that darwinian evolution can no longer just be considered to be a simple theory. the pope says it's cool but these freakin' evangelicals try to brainwash children in order to believe the creationist crap.
@HORNHost relax man the poor and down are the ones looking for the most hope and are usually who is targeted by religious fanatics ..... doesn't mean their dimwits show some understanding genius
@christimacc Militant atheists are great (great like Spanish Inquisitors). Science has become its own religion. It's interesting how militant atheists accept scientific "fact" with the same overzealous blindness with which many of the believers they despise accept religion; they can't see their own closed minds. Dr. Sagan himself denied being an atheist, calling himself an agnostic (a major difference!). Those who worship Sagan should learn to emulate his open-mindedness toward other ideas.
@roytomb But we did not reach the conclusions of the bible in the same way that science discovered these fossils. Scientific facts and theories aren't just superstitious folklore or tradition. It is independently verifiable facts and principles. Surely none of the people of biblical times had seen a dinosaur fossil. They had no idea what was beneath their feet, and how it CONTRADICTED their superstitions.
@funk356 True, that. You'll notice I was quoting. I wrote that so long ago now I don't know whom I was quoting, but I was. Probably someone upthread or in the vid, itself.
If you examine it carefully, you'll find embedded in the fundamentalist rejection of evolution the very essence of racism. White, xtian fundamentalists reject the reality of evolution because it means they're related to "those people," since it means we ALL started out in Africa.
@psychosavant Until you start tripping out on some hardcore drugs and think that people around you actually believe in Horoscopes and act accordingly to what the newspaper Horoscopes says that day. Wait a minute...
hahahaha, That is awesome. But no. Or, I should say, probably not. As is said later in the episode, there is no predictive theory of biology. Plus, I think it would have to go through some changes that natural selection would not encourage (I'm sure people won't throw away crabs that have the foot of a samurai, they would just eat them)
But that's assuming that the crabs suddenly turned into samurai mermen. What would happen is first we have these crabs, then they become amphibian and learn the basics of martial arts. then, after a few million years, we'll have a race of noble Japanese warriors.
The process would be so slow, that no one would notice the change happening.
You're right, no one would notice. Someone should really stop these Jap fisherman now before they unleash the nightmare scenarion of a race of underwater samurai mermen upon the world!
@StuJee1 It seems to me that the natural conclusion must be that the Japanese already have merged with the crabs and are in fact descended from them. Now they're trying to bring their full-crab relatives to the surface and teach them their magic Eastern tricks and martial arts. We must stop them before they strike first, nuke Hiroshima!
@davemanz, wasn't that the argument President Truman used during WW2? I seem to remember reading in a book that in retaliation for the U.S carpet bombing of major Japanese cities, the Japanese military unleshed an army of samurai mermen. Hand-to-hand combat with such a crack squadron of amphibious warriors was deemed to risky for the allied powers so they dropped the nukes.....
Wow. What a great expose by a fine ans knowleable person. What happened America? You produced such a great mind to the admiration of the world. sadly we today we have purveyors of ignorance and trols of disingenuity infesting your national image What happened?
we do invoke changes in other species by our actions, except for one. Ourselves.
Those of us who have heart problems, or potential for cancer are allowed to live through medicine and we have offspring that hold within the same problems.
The end result of this practice is one that will either destroy us, or hold us back from our truest potential.
And yes I'm well aware that this selection for humans is what nazis wanted to do. Just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's not true
True but parents often instill unhealthy eating habits in their children. But most major heart problems are hereditary. My own heart problem is a mirror image of my fathers, where he had a valve that wasn't closing right my same valve wouldn't open right. Plus his mother had scoliosis of the spine, passed through her family, to him, to me.
In a world of natural selection my family line and I with our inferior genes, would be purged.
See, but there's something called deviation of the mean, and if you kill off those people, it doesn't mean that those traits are eliminated from our genome. This is the same thing for eugenics and IQ. If you kill off dumb people for example, in a few generations the mean will revert back to where it was. We're not yet advanced enough to just have a fix all of killing off undesirable traits. Frankly, we're not mother nature, and we're not mature enough to deal with the consequences.
Very true indeed, plus we would many millions of years to invoke desired changes in ourselves. But it's not just a lack of natural selection on us that has caused so many strains of cancer in humans but also our own stupidity. Back in the 40s and 50s people did radical experiments with radiation, x-ray machines in shoe shops without any shielding from the harmful rays and other such stupid moves.
We played around dangerously with radiation and it's no doubt played a part in mutations in us.
Yes, But I don't believe that during 1 decade of time we could ever invoke changes to our genetic makeup, unless we were all destroyed. Also, those things didn't even happen to a wide range of people. Lastly, mutations take EVOLUTIONARY time scales to occur.
Yes that's true too. Well I can admit when I've been bested, but I would like to hear your theories on why we have seen such an increase in cancer victims heart disease, and other genetic problems.
Is it possibly simply due to more availability of information than ever before and this calls more attention to it?
I think it's a combination of things. For one, environmental factors play a huge role. Some people for example, may be genetically prone to getting a certain cancer, but they need an environmental factor to trigger it. Enter cigarettes, food with hormones and additives, the list goes on and on. Technology is advancing at such a fast rate it's hard to tell what causes cancer and what doesn't these days. As our lifestyles become more focused on quantity over quality, we have an increase in disease
But yes, like what you said too, there is much more information on cancer than ever before, and our methods of diagnosis are becoming increasingly advanced. As far as heart disease goes, like I said, environmental factors have a huge part in things. People don't exercise, they eat cheaper, faster food, etc. In conclusion, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule. But, in general, we need to promote a much more healthy lifestyle if we are to rid ourselves of these diseases.
you've gotta remember as well that many people who inherit tendencies for heart and cancer problems are still able to reproduce and raise offspring, even without medical treatment. So in a biological sense they aren't held back, they can still be a success in terms of natural selection.
I found this series several days ago, I have bought two of his books. I was thinking earlier today, It is sad that the loss of a human life in this case Carl, we lose quit a bit of knowledge, sure that knowledge is in print and film, but we cannot further our thinking like he had thought. I dont know,its kind of weird, but when we lose a great thinker like this man, nothing can replace it, his knowledge in print can serve as a testament to his knowledge, but I wish MORE people thought like him
Remember that Hitler was also a vegetarian. He also modeled his theory of Arian supremacy on the writings of Darwin. And the necessity of the construction of the death camps as a way of speeding up the evolutionary process of natural selection. But that wasn't Darwin's fault. It just illustrates the dangers of over-simplifying compex ideas.
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I have always assumed that anyone who had such civilised views as Carl Sagan must be vegetarian. I cannot believe that with his profound understanding of evolution and the intricacy of a single cell, he would have wanted to destroy any living creature.
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At the end, Sagan says that the "secrets" of evolution, are "time" and "death". So in other words, the great purpose of one's life is to take up time until one dies. Imagine telling your kid that the purpose to his live is to take up time until he dies. So bring up generations of kids on this materialistic nihilism, and you wonder why inner city gangs are slaughtering eachother wholesale. The problem with Sagan's religion, is that when you do end up dying, you don't even get the 72 virgins.
What an absolutely atrocious way to look at something. You could not have been more pessimistic. Your 'fear of death' perspective needs replacing with an 'make the most of life while it lasts' attitude.
Time on the planet for each of us is finite. What we do with this time is crucial. In religion the opposite is true. It doesn't matter what you do. Just have faith, repent, and life was just a waste of time until you get your just rewards for believing in your deity.
That's not the purpouse of life, taking up time until death (and not Sagan's religion, he had no religion: he didn't tell you how to live life). What is better: having someone else, no matter how powerful and wise, to tell you what to do with your life, or taking a long, hard look at yourself, and deciding what you want to do with it? Being a human being worth of the name means putting your will and your mind to work to find your purpouse, your call. Having others decide for you is lazy.
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One cannot observe evolution, one can only observe the historical data and then speculate on how it all got that way. But to observe historical data, speculate a hypothesis about natural order using one's own intellect, then hear the same person make a philosophical conclusion that there is no underlying intelligence to natural order, does not sound very scientific to me. It's like going to a concert to hear music, then the musician rants about politics and religion. Just give me the science.
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The thing is, is that I don't dis-believe in evolution, but can we observe a monkey evolve into a human? If we are to be true to scientific investigation, we can only be sure of what we can observe, and maybe not even then, because we are observing reality within a particular paradigm which is bounded by our current understanding. The rest is speculation, therefore only theory. As far as the "theory", of evolution is concerned, it sounds good to me, until someone comes up with something better.
I'm not setting out to be insulting here, but your understanding of the term 'theory', and of the process of evolution appears to be really quite poor.
Evolution is entirely observable, and utterly reproducable. Evolution is, essentially, herediy combined with environmental influence and adaptation.
Either you're claiming that children do not inherit their attributes from their parents, or that environment plays no part in how a life-form develops.
But I do believe that children inherit the attributes of their parents, and that the environment does play a part in how life developes. That is why I don't beat my kids. I also believe that ordinary people can achieve extraordinary things, given the opportunity, and that we all have a lot yet to learn about the universe. A universe in which we have only begun to begin to understand.
"we all have a lot yet to learn about the universe"
Yes, and you moreso than a lot of others when it comes to biology.
You cannot just write off what we've already discovered by saying there is more to be discovered. That's ludicrous.
Really, honestly, go and study evolution's claims about gene copying errors, natural selection, the Galapagos Islands, alleles, DNA, all these things. Once you 'get it', you will see what almost every scientific expert in the field has seen and now supports.
In your world, someone must've dug out the riverbed for water to flow down it.
"Look at all the life-forms, the fish, the bacteria in the river! Oh and the river flows perfectly without pause out into the ocean. You're telling me this river was not put there by design?"
Of course it wasn't. The water travelled the path of least resistance much the way as life has travelled down it's path to it's current forms, guided by natural selection.
Perhaps you'd like to read a book on evolution before embarrassing yourself on the internet with your childish ignorance of the facts and lack of basic common sense.
"...but as darwin and wallace showed, there's another way, equally human and far more compelling." That's a highly arguable if not subjective statement. It sort of touches on some of the fudamental reasons evolution isn't more popular, in some parts of the world, but seems to rather gloss over it. Maybe this, and i think other parts of this episode, are only trying to appeal to minds already somewhat inclined to non-religious explanations. To help those blossom rather than change some others.
I think Sagan means that the theory of evolution is more compelling as regards human impetuous. I think a lot of people who disregard it forget that like Newton's Laws the Theory of Evolution is fundamental to the way most people in the industrialized world understand reality (even those who don't "believe" in evolution). The ideas of selection and the slow change pervade our ideology. The vocabulary of Darwinian ideas is present in the language of even those most critical of the philosophy.
The Theory of Evolution is not just an explanation of how humans came to be nor is it merely integral to natural history. It has been core to the expansion of History, Geology, Cosmology, Combinatorics, etc. It has assisted in solving problems in fields such as Computer Science and Commerce (the Right Wingers would do well to recognize Darwin as integral to their models of Free Market Economics).
Take this analogy. Here, Sagan is an artist drawing schematics and he's passing on to other drafters the techniques of his trade. And I don't think he really cares what in Impressionist painter has to say about his field. Maybe on another day he would but an impressionist painters philosophic differences about the way geometry should be interpreted don't interest him now. Sagan at this point is investing in his field.
@SirNewt Very well said. Especially for a youtube comment. I'm impressed, but not surprised, after all a fan of Sagan is bound to have quite a degree of intelligence. :)
trilobites were around 300 million years,i bet there god looked just like them,
MrNance91 3 months ago
He is a good man.
DrIndubitably 4 months ago
Sad. Evolution is not a fact. There is no real prove to show that the number of chromosomes will change in natural or accidental way, and the new creature can reproduce. Until it is proved this can happen, natural selection is just a theory. Not a fact. Resistance of the fittest can prove that the fittest will survive and the weak will die. Not that the strong will evolve in any way.
BlackHawkEU 5 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
@BlackHawkEU Clearly you don't understand the idea that the strong of each generation survive to reproduce and pass on their 'strong' adaptations. Try Wikipedia.
klumpeet 5 months ago
@klumpeet I do get that. And I am convinced it is so. I am convinced that some changes happen. But those are variations in the same specie. Until one can prove that a new specie can be obtained by those changes, is just speculation. It may be true. But it may not be. Basic science says that something is not true until you can prove that it is. So far, people just say that it is.
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Ahdanack 4 months ago in playlist Cosmos
@BlackHawkEU Hey bro, sorry to butt in on this conversation, but check this out. It's pretty much the proof you just asked for.
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Ring_species
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Ensatina
Ahdanack 4 months ago in playlist Cosmos
@Ahdanack I think it is still no prove of the theory, so it stays a theory, watch?v=lJNgTUhTJvg&feature=related
This video deals with other theories that are a bit different, I am not saying that are true. But are just as valid and unsubstantiated as the evolution theory.
BlackHawkEU 4 months ago
@BlackHawkEU In science, a theory is never proved, it can only be disproved or supported. Theories never become fact. A theory is the highest level of confidence science can assign to an explanation of facts. Would you say the same of gravity theory, germ theory, economic theory, string theory, theory of relativity, etc?
ADADEL1 4 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
@BlackHawkEU P.S. Just google talk origins transitional and also watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU. Please remember that speciation is when one group can no longer chemically breed with the parent group. See domestic dogs and the African wolf. (Sorry, youtube doesn't like it when I put in web sites.)
ADADEL1 4 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
@BlackHawkEU i thank you need to burn one,with charles darwin,
MrNance91 3 months ago
I noted in his books that Dr. Sagan didn't seem to fully grasp the "Design" argument. Ironically, neither do the proponents of Intelligent Design. As Dr. Sagan points out, the genius of the Classical world was jettisoned by the barbarians. Sadly, he also disregarded important aspects of Ancient, Medieval, and even Enlightenment thinking. He was not a philosopher - but a brilliant man who made important contributions.
TheTheking1935 5 months ago in playlist Cosmos Carl Sagan
Evolution is obvious... but the facts of evolution are not so appearant because of lost species and geographic/continental drift. (ie the dots that are connected)
PsycCentauri 7 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
Evolution is obvious... but the facts of evolution are not so appearant because of lost species and geographic/continental drift.
PsycCentauri 7 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
"...the humans are gonna EAT YOU." lol
AkiKaza3829 8 months ago
He explains evolution as gently and yet authoritatively as a parent explains to a child that there is no Santa Claus.
WrestlingHeretic 8 months ago 4
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klasted 1 year ago
@klasted THANK YOU. Now I know it's not just me. I had no idea how I might spell his pronunciation of "humans" lol
AkiKaza3829 8 months ago
Carl Sagan just disproved god
sotordamotor 1 year ago 6
I get really bored of Christians trolling forums to criticise videos etc. God is big enough and old enough to take care of himself, the best way to avoid these bully-boys with their vast swathes of indisputable evidence is just to ignore them
Thewildside 1 year ago 5
anyone else think his voice is epic as fuck?
grungeiac 1 year ago 71
@grungeiac Yeah. Didn't he do the voice for Ernie on Sesame Street?
zenzombie72 9 months ago
@grungeiac Yea Carl Sagan was a person in a in-between world of science and an advocate of human curiosity.
VideoAssembly 7 months ago
@grungeiac Heck yes.
LinkMarioSamus 7 months ago
there is a man walking in the background at 6:45 :)
snipeefox 1 year ago
@snipeefox That was cattle
superspanks 1 year ago
It strikes me as so obvious that evolution is a fact of both nature and history that I am shaken by the thought that another believes the Earth to be 5,000 years old.
xxDrudgeryReportxx 1 year ago
Does anyone know where he walks at 2:25?
Beautiful place.
hevnervals 1 year ago
@hevnervals
I think its Holland.
Jammed9000 1 year ago
The watchmaker argument wasn't a very good argument I think because watches cannot make other watches, they do not replicate. However as with all the animals and plants on life do replicate. A complex organism traces it's history back to an ogranism less complex, and so on all the way back to something simple, the first life on earth.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 1 year ago
In the long run, it's really a silly debate. Whether or not a God exists has no real bearing on whether or not the laws of nature exist. A truly omnipotent being could have just as easily had a goal in mind and then created a system of "laws" that would eventually get there as it could just do it all with a snap of the fingers (where's the fun in that...). Personally, I think we spend too much time bickering over the physics engine and not enough time actually playing the game...
possumverde 1 year ago 24
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@possumverde "Personally, I think we spend too much time bickering over the physics engine and not enough time actually playing the game..." WIN! So true.
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DrIndubitably 4 months ago in playlist Cosmos by Carl Sagan
@possumverde
Ah, but the bickering is part of the game for some. Some people are argumentative, and derive immense pleasure out of the bickering. Yes, in some cases it is incredibly annoying, but in other cases, the bickering leads to a conclusion that allows the game to progress in a way it couldn't before.
Everyone is valuable at some point. Even the ugliest of dogs have their day....
Npowell01 2 months ago
who DISliked this video?!
ImaxDSHIFTJavier 1 year ago
@ImaxDSHIFTJavier Creationists haha, thats who I'd put my money on.
torontoBluejays87 1 year ago
The vile hatred shown by both sides of this debate is the reason I rarely post. I don't mind people sharing their opinions/beliefs, so long as they remain civil. Indeed, anonymity allows cowards a voice. As for the debate, how can anyone know 100% either way? You may THINK you're right, but are you? Dr. Sagan, the most brilliant thinker of our time, never called himself an atheist. He said, "an atheist has to know a lot more than I know." We need to emulate Sagan by keeping open minds.
roytomb 1 year ago
@roytomb
It's difficult to stay civil when people are either a.)Passionate on their views, b.) Poorly educated on the subjects at hand, or c.) Both.
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Carl Sagan, thank you for sparking my interest in Science and our precious Environment!
spettye2 1 year ago
Carl Sagan, thank you for sparking my interest in Science and our precious Environment!
spettye2 1 year ago 3
"YOOmans"
AdamBMorris 1 year ago
@AdamBMorris "staars" lol
budzin303 1 year ago
I got 2 words for this ENTIRE series... SCIENCE FICTION
skoolyrat 1 year ago
@skoolyrat Only the part when he is in a spaceship.
mobalias 1 year ago
@skoolyrat
why do you say this is science fiction?
Please, explain politely and nicely. :)
spencertron88 1 year ago
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@skoolyrat
"I got 2 words for this ENTIRE series... SCIENCE FICTION"
I got 2 words for your ENTIRE comment... IGNORANT BULLSHIT
TheGodlessGuitarist 1 year ago
@skoolyrat I got three words to describe you:
WASTE OF FOOD
SuperAusBros 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins disputes the Heiki hypothesis in his last book.
Sarusource 1 year ago
In theory.....some organisms might just be starting off from the molecular level!
Aresftfun 1 year ago
Whats the name of track that is playing from 07:00 and to the end?
devilsmurf 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin The measure of the passage of time is something humans came up with we could also call this the year 4 billion something because of the age of the earth that does not prove jesus existed, but if you choose to believe in some magical figure believe in Apollonius of Tyana he one upped Jesus by walking through walls.
comicreaper 1 year ago
@comicreaper hey fucker, did jason ever say he believed in the "magic" or miracles jesus performed? no. i don't get you atheists, you make me look like a douchebag because of the way you treat christians. shit, i mean you always get on their ass and call their god magic and shit. jason was trying to learn about evolution and was asking argumentive questions so he could get answers from you guys to better his knowledge of evolution. but you're too much of a fucking asshole to notice that.
tomoceana1 1 year ago
Sagan's explanation made me a believer in evolution at the age of eight.
Kamicolod 1 year ago
heh, i wonder what landed on Carl at 5:41 that made him have to restart the whole line :P
AGenericAccount 1 year ago
ofcourse that evolution really happened..if there are still people not believing that..wow..
fermerwuvu 1 year ago
This episode is the best explanation I have ever seen or heard about how evolution happens. The Creationists should watch this, and then try to explain as logically and with evidence to the same effect. It all comes down to this: "Well God created everything as we are and man in his image, and I know it because the Bible tells me so."
IMHO, Natural Selection, as a scientific theory, is probably on sounder footing than even Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin
Well thats stupid, hes a known and confirmed hidtorical figure by historians in the worlds top universities.
SirPaFla 1 year ago
@SirPaFla
It's not so stupid at all. Jesus actually isn't a confirmed historical figure. Josephus's account was heavily manipulated by Eusebius after the fact. It's not a reliable account.
Secondly, Jesus as the Bible presents him incorporates pieces of the characters of Mithras (healing abilities), Dionysos (the Greek "hanging god," from whom we originally got the cross), and Hercules (the heroic element).
uktransplantedyank 1 year ago
@uktransplantedyank nothing is a reliable account. we will all die and forever vanish from the world we know. who cares if evolution is wrong or right? just live it up with alcohol every day!!! yeaaaah!!!
tomoceana1 1 year ago
@tomoceana1
You may have to change that out look at some point.
I did.
TheReddwarff100 10 months ago
@jasonsaladin
Well I don't know what fossils you looked at, homo sapians have only existed for a few thousand years. Both humans and monkeys decended from a common ancestor but humans went down one path in the fork in the evolutionary road and monkeys went another way to form what we see today. We can also analyse genetic evidense. Also I don't get why you're talking about whether Jesus existed. There are roman records about a man called Jesus and other historical artifacts.
SirPaFla 1 year ago
I don't know to me they don't look like samurai warriors at all or human faces for that matter
sondano 1 year ago
@sondano did you expect for a picasco art on their backs to appear? Of course it's not a perfect drawing, but you do see the clear sketches representing samurai warriors, otherwise go get some glasses
2CSST2 1 year ago
In order to obtain samurai crabs, you must first create the universe.
oobermate 1 year ago 6
@oobermate If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Rachielizaboo 1 year ago
@Rachielizaboo yes! but it's *invent the universe
2CSST2 1 year ago
evolution is a fact! i saw it occur before my own eyes with a pokemon!
tomoceana1 1 year ago 2
@jasonsaladin you should explain why there are no fossils which look exactly like homo sapiens sapiens! if we always looked the same we would have found the remains of a modern human together with those of a dinosaur. explain this without suggesting that it was a trick of the superdevil.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr Damn that super devil he made my friends cousin's neighbor commit adultery.
comicreaper 1 year ago
@comicreaper family guy is great! :)
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr Yeah I don't watch TV anymore, but i have caught a few episodes online. My real preference is Futurama.
comicreaper 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin once again i did not assume that you're christian. it's all happening in your head, like what happens in some guy's head when he believes in something that doesn't exist. you believe i think you're christian. you believe a lot! if in your logic that means that i consider you as a christian than i understand why you think there is evidence for a historical jesus of nazareth. i read german books about history. i don't know what they teach in texas or ohio.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr jesus existed just like buddha and mohammad did. there is no evidence for their deity but history validates that they really existed. you're a jackass for saying that jesus didn't exist. that's like saying the holocaust never happened. so shut the fuck up and get your shit right before you make yourself look like an ass. i am an atheist but even i know jesus existed! my god, some people are ignorant as fuck these days.
tomoceana1 1 year ago
@tomoceana1 there is proof that mohammed existed because he wrote a book. the book about jesus was written more than 80 years after his supposed date of death. he is not mentioned in roman records and there has been no trial under pilatus (who existed) about some guy who claimed to be the son of god. since this discussion gets more and more offensive i expect you to prove your point by sending me a link to a reliable source. maybe historians (REAL HISTORIANS) who deal with that kind of stuff.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr wow you little fucker, you spelt mohammed wrong. anyways read up on josephus the historian. and why the hell would jesus disciples die for him if he didn't exist? thousands of christians were persecuted during the reign of nero for a "lie?". that's bullshit you dumb fuck. quit being such an ass like most atheists and open your fucking eyes. its okay to admit jesus existed, that doesn't mean he was god. i am an atheist and i believe he existed, but not that he was god.
tomoceana1 1 year ago
@tomoceana1 i spelt mohammed wrong? so you also have no clue of linguistics. there is no right way to spell his name except you're writing it in arabic letters. josephus the historian :D i was talking about historians who were alive at least 100 years ago. you know, guys who studied history or archaeology LOL there is still a discussion about the authenticity of the writings of josephus. it's enough man, you win and i'm off!!! :)
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr you are the biggest asshole on youtube. you were implying that jason was a christian, you must be on drugs or something dude. holy shitttttt.
tomoceana1 1 year ago
@tomoceana1 all smart people are assholes to those of inferior intelligence. losing every argument makes people go crazy. i have to admit that i'm unfortunately by far not the biggest asshole on youtube. matt dillahunty and dawkins are the greatest assholes!
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr
That's the attitude, let's all return to the dark ages. Let's kill all the people who care about knowledge and truth, burn all the books that contain silly facts, and return to a world governed by superstition and anarchic rule.
The real assholes are those that would promote the ignorance that will lead to the ruin of all that has been worked for over the past few thousand years.
You are a posterboy for all that is broken.
Unlocktube 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin "christians" and catholics are completely different? did you mean protestants and catholics? catholics are christian too and some catholics believe in the genesis but the the head of the catholic church says, that evolution is not a theory. what do you mean by difference between christians and catholics? who do you mean by "you guys"? are really all christians nice people or only 99 percent? am i an idiot if i just disagree? is that what jesus taught you?
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin there is a lot of proof for evolution and no historical evidence for the existence of jesus christ. since i don't know you personally i can't determine whether you are christian or not and even if you were, that wouldn't indicate a position against evolution because even the vatican considers the evolution to be more than a theory and the only reasonable explanation for our existence. sorry for my bad english.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
99% of the human ancestral fossil record has now been accumulated from hundreds od fossils, dunno why you're saying theres no evidence that humans evolved. The proof is undeniable. Also theres a misconception about theory in the theory of evolution. Evolution itself is regarded as fact, the theory in the theory of evolution is the theory of the exact mathematical mechanism of that process. Evolution itself is not in doubt.
Mrpafla 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin i didn't imply that you're christian.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
fundamentalist christians are never gonna understand evolution.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr why the hate towards christians? there are other theistic religions out there that deny the theory of evolution as well. why pick on these guys so much?
tomoceana1 1 year ago
@jasonsaladin :D lack of proof is just a problem of christians!
bizarrrr 1 year ago
My arm fell off, then God put it back on...buty after I rode around in the mouth of a Whale for a few days...and then I had sex with my daughters after their mother was turned to salt and then some snake spoke to me.....
The Bible - sounds like an acid trip.
dprague 1 year ago 6
f**kin' 30 years after Sagan filmed this and people are still arguing over whether evolution is true, WTF!
mercer240 1 year ago
Beautiful explanation of natural selection... this should be taught as schools
TSBoncompte 1 year ago
this video series gives me hope for humanity. It is just a shame that its not as popular as it should be.
personalsinr 1 year ago
Carl sagan..you are missed.
tikiman900 2 years ago 78
@tikiman900 sorely missed.
slappyfish308 1 year ago
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For an astrologist from the 90s, Sagan sure knows his shit about biology.
Anghellik9 2 years ago
Astrologist?! I think you mean astronomist. Also, this video was filmed in the 70's. Carl Sagan died in the 90's.
YourReligionisWrong 2 years ago 10
you're right. I was thinking about biology being the science, and therefore astrology being the science there. And yes, I was referring to his death, not the date of this production.
Anghellik9 2 years ago 2
Anghellik9, I was not trying to be rude. Common mistake. I know what you mean now. Yes, he was truly a well educated and intelligent man.
YourReligionisWrong 2 years ago 2
"Evolution is a fact, not a theory. It really happened."
Now if only the poor, dimwitted fundies could evolve good enough brains to understand that simple truth.
HORNHost 2 years ago 77
amen, and to understand that we face a threat of extinction or crisises
Zee96969696 2 years ago
@HORNHost even the vatican has proclaimed that darwinian evolution can no longer just be considered to be a simple theory. the pope says it's cool but these freakin' evangelicals try to brainwash children in order to believe the creationist crap.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@HORNHost relax man the poor and down are the ones looking for the most hope and are usually who is targeted by religious fanatics ..... doesn't mean their dimwits show some understanding genius
fnunez1987 1 year ago
@HORNHost
I just love the tolerance and love-sharing that those who believe in the absolute truth of science exhibit. Don't you?
christimacc 1 year ago
@christimacc Militant atheists are great (great like Spanish Inquisitors). Science has become its own religion. It's interesting how militant atheists accept scientific "fact" with the same overzealous blindness with which many of the believers they despise accept religion; they can't see their own closed minds. Dr. Sagan himself denied being an atheist, calling himself an agnostic (a major difference!). Those who worship Sagan should learn to emulate his open-mindedness toward other ideas.
roytomb 1 year ago
@roytomb But we did not reach the conclusions of the bible in the same way that science discovered these fossils. Scientific facts and theories aren't just superstitious folklore or tradition. It is independently verifiable facts and principles. Surely none of the people of biblical times had seen a dinosaur fossil. They had no idea what was beneath their feet, and how it CONTRADICTED their superstitions.
capoman1 1 year ago 2
" it happened " ? its still happening ...
funk356 1 year ago
@funk356 True, that. You'll notice I was quoting. I wrote that so long ago now I don't know whom I was quoting, but I was. Probably someone upthread or in the vid, itself.
If you examine it carefully, you'll find embedded in the fundamentalist rejection of evolution the very essence of racism. White, xtian fundamentalists reject the reality of evolution because it means they're related to "those people," since it means we ALL started out in Africa.
HORNHost 1 year ago
@HORNHost
Evolution is a theory. As is gravity.
Just because it's a theory doesn't means it's a wild guess.
Naresomez 1 year ago
@Naresomez
No no.
The Theory of Evolution is a theory: it describes how and why evolution occurs. Evolution is a fact.
The Theory of Gravity is a theory: it describes how and why gravity occurs. Gravity is a fact.
psychosavant 10 months ago 3
@psychosavant It's a fact that the theory of evolution is a fact. Evolution is a factor in the diversity of life on Earth.
zenzombie72 9 months ago 2
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@psychosavant It's a fact that the theory of evolution is a theory. Evolution is a factor in the diversity of life on Earth.
zenzombie72 9 months ago
@psychosavant Until you start tripping out on some hardcore drugs and think that people around you actually believe in Horoscopes and act accordingly to what the newspaper Horoscopes says that day. Wait a minute...
VideoAssembly 7 months ago
I hope this isn't taken as a flame, but won't those crabs eventually become Japanese Samurai?
connect2reality 2 years ago
what?
checkplus 2 years ago
Well, if the people choose the ones that look most like Japanese Samurai, won't the crabs eventually evolve into that?
connect2reality 2 years ago
hahahaha, That is awesome. But no. Or, I should say, probably not. As is said later in the episode, there is no predictive theory of biology. Plus, I think it would have to go through some changes that natural selection would not encourage (I'm sure people won't throw away crabs that have the foot of a samurai, they would just eat them)
checkplus 2 years ago
No, because if they became more and more like us they would become less and less likely to survive a life in the sea.
Plus, why would anyone throw back a half human - half crab creature! You'd keep it surely....
StuJee1 2 years ago
But that's assuming that the crabs suddenly turned into samurai mermen. What would happen is first we have these crabs, then they become amphibian and learn the basics of martial arts. then, after a few million years, we'll have a race of noble Japanese warriors.
The process would be so slow, that no one would notice the change happening.
connect2reality 2 years ago 2
You're right, no one would notice. Someone should really stop these Jap fisherman now before they unleash the nightmare scenarion of a race of underwater samurai mermen upon the world!
We wouldn't stand a chance......
StuJee1 2 years ago
@StuJee1 It seems to me that the natural conclusion must be that the Japanese already have merged with the crabs and are in fact descended from them. Now they're trying to bring their full-crab relatives to the surface and teach them their magic Eastern tricks and martial arts. We must stop them before they strike first, nuke Hiroshima!
Davemanz 1 year ago
@davemanz, wasn't that the argument President Truman used during WW2? I seem to remember reading in a book that in retaliation for the U.S carpet bombing of major Japanese cities, the Japanese military unleshed an army of samurai mermen. Hand-to-hand combat with such a crack squadron of amphibious warriors was deemed to risky for the allied powers so they dropped the nukes.....
StuJee1 1 year ago
Wow. What a great expose by a fine ans knowleable person. What happened America? You produced such a great mind to the admiration of the world. sadly we today we have purveyors of ignorance and trols of disingenuity infesting your national image What happened?
ofosusam 2 years ago
we do invoke changes in other species by our actions, except for one. Ourselves.
Those of us who have heart problems, or potential for cancer are allowed to live through medicine and we have offspring that hold within the same problems.
The end result of this practice is one that will either destroy us, or hold us back from our truest potential.
And yes I'm well aware that this selection for humans is what nazis wanted to do. Just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's not true
gskaloyan 2 years ago
It's not true, heart problems and cancer are in some degree hereditary but mainly they are a cause of unhealthy life stile and environment.
flexy09 2 years ago
True but parents often instill unhealthy eating habits in their children. But most major heart problems are hereditary. My own heart problem is a mirror image of my fathers, where he had a valve that wasn't closing right my same valve wouldn't open right. Plus his mother had scoliosis of the spine, passed through her family, to him, to me.
In a world of natural selection my family line and I with our inferior genes, would be purged.
gskaloyan 2 years ago
Good think we passed that stage and you were offered another chance.
flexy09 2 years ago
See, but there's something called deviation of the mean, and if you kill off those people, it doesn't mean that those traits are eliminated from our genome. This is the same thing for eugenics and IQ. If you kill off dumb people for example, in a few generations the mean will revert back to where it was. We're not yet advanced enough to just have a fix all of killing off undesirable traits. Frankly, we're not mother nature, and we're not mature enough to deal with the consequences.
awefaislfdas 2 years ago
Very true indeed, plus we would many millions of years to invoke desired changes in ourselves. But it's not just a lack of natural selection on us that has caused so many strains of cancer in humans but also our own stupidity. Back in the 40s and 50s people did radical experiments with radiation, x-ray machines in shoe shops without any shielding from the harmful rays and other such stupid moves.
We played around dangerously with radiation and it's no doubt played a part in mutations in us.
gskaloyan 2 years ago
Yes, But I don't believe that during 1 decade of time we could ever invoke changes to our genetic makeup, unless we were all destroyed. Also, those things didn't even happen to a wide range of people. Lastly, mutations take EVOLUTIONARY time scales to occur.
awefaislfdas 2 years ago
Yes that's true too. Well I can admit when I've been bested, but I would like to hear your theories on why we have seen such an increase in cancer victims heart disease, and other genetic problems.
Is it possibly simply due to more availability of information than ever before and this calls more attention to it?
gskaloyan 2 years ago
I think it's a combination of things. For one, environmental factors play a huge role. Some people for example, may be genetically prone to getting a certain cancer, but they need an environmental factor to trigger it. Enter cigarettes, food with hormones and additives, the list goes on and on. Technology is advancing at such a fast rate it's hard to tell what causes cancer and what doesn't these days. As our lifestyles become more focused on quantity over quality, we have an increase in disease
awefaislfdas 2 years ago
But yes, like what you said too, there is much more information on cancer than ever before, and our methods of diagnosis are becoming increasingly advanced. As far as heart disease goes, like I said, environmental factors have a huge part in things. People don't exercise, they eat cheaper, faster food, etc. In conclusion, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule. But, in general, we need to promote a much more healthy lifestyle if we are to rid ourselves of these diseases.
awefaislfdas 2 years ago
you've gotta remember as well that many people who inherit tendencies for heart and cancer problems are still able to reproduce and raise offspring, even without medical treatment. So in a biological sense they aren't held back, they can still be a success in terms of natural selection.
StuJee1 1 year ago
Evolution is a fact not theory. Amen Carl.
jackofclubz 2 years ago
Evolution is a theory and so is quantum mechanics, gravity and maxwells equations.
Theories never become facts; "theory" is not a statement of confidence.
Theories have actual, explanatory power. Facts have no explanatory power, they're mere trite observations that can be pragmatically verified.
soylentgreenb 2 years ago 2
its a fact that i had toast for breakfast this morning, and that fact can explain alot....
StuJee1 1 year ago
don't be dense
personalsinr 1 year ago
@personalsinr dont be dull
StuJee1 1 year ago
I`m confused now. What about Adam & Eve...
...and the Annunaki?!
AClarke2007 2 years ago
I found this series several days ago, I have bought two of his books. I was thinking earlier today, It is sad that the loss of a human life in this case Carl, we lose quit a bit of knowledge, sure that knowledge is in print and film, but we cannot further our thinking like he had thought. I dont know,its kind of weird, but when we lose a great thinker like this man, nothing can replace it, his knowledge in print can serve as a testament to his knowledge, but I wish MORE people thought like him
acs328i 2 years ago 6
GO CARL SAGAN!!
southsydney 2 years ago 3
Lets pain faces on whales...maybe then the japanese bastards will stop slaughtering them!
PadraigM46 2 years ago
whoever disliked this should dress up as a whale so the Japanese can slaughter them
Lummy92 2 years ago
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Remember that Hitler was also a vegetarian. He also modeled his theory of Arian supremacy on the writings of Darwin. And the necessity of the construction of the death camps as a way of speeding up the evolutionary process of natural selection. But that wasn't Darwin's fault. It just illustrates the dangers of over-simplifying compex ideas.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago 4
"Evolution is a fact, not a theory. It really happened."
Preach it, Sagan!!
AceOfDiamonds29 2 years ago 10
I wonder if Carl ate that crab after they'd finished filming.
Gazzar 2 years ago
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I have always assumed that anyone who had such civilised views as Carl Sagan must be vegetarian. I cannot believe that with his profound understanding of evolution and the intricacy of a single cell, he would have wanted to destroy any living creature.
Sootaroot 2 years ago
Chill my friend; it was a joke......now where did I leave that bacon sandwich...
Gazzar 2 years ago
Plants are living things too.
DetroitMetal 2 years ago 5
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johnnowa1953 2 years ago
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At the end, Sagan says that the "secrets" of evolution, are "time" and "death". So in other words, the great purpose of one's life is to take up time until one dies. Imagine telling your kid that the purpose to his live is to take up time until he dies. So bring up generations of kids on this materialistic nihilism, and you wonder why inner city gangs are slaughtering eachother wholesale. The problem with Sagan's religion, is that when you do end up dying, you don't even get the 72 virgins.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
What an absolutely atrocious way to look at something. You could not have been more pessimistic. Your 'fear of death' perspective needs replacing with an 'make the most of life while it lasts' attitude.
Time on the planet for each of us is finite. What we do with this time is crucial. In religion the opposite is true. It doesn't matter what you do. Just have faith, repent, and life was just a waste of time until you get your just rewards for believing in your deity.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago 7
Actually, you are saying that I am saying what he is saying, but you are saying what I am saying. Peace brother.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
That's not the purpouse of life, taking up time until death (and not Sagan's religion, he had no religion: he didn't tell you how to live life). What is better: having someone else, no matter how powerful and wise, to tell you what to do with your life, or taking a long, hard look at yourself, and deciding what you want to do with it? Being a human being worth of the name means putting your will and your mind to work to find your purpouse, your call. Having others decide for you is lazy.
jotabe1789 2 years ago 5
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One cannot observe evolution, one can only observe the historical data and then speculate on how it all got that way. But to observe historical data, speculate a hypothesis about natural order using one's own intellect, then hear the same person make a philosophical conclusion that there is no underlying intelligence to natural order, does not sound very scientific to me. It's like going to a concert to hear music, then the musician rants about politics and religion. Just give me the science.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
Indeed we can observe evolution in rapidly reproducing organisms, such as bacteria, virii, pests destructive to crops, etc.
Have you ever wondered why the flu vaccine is different every year?
lauraeandress 2 years ago
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The thing is, is that I don't dis-believe in evolution, but can we observe a monkey evolve into a human? If we are to be true to scientific investigation, we can only be sure of what we can observe, and maybe not even then, because we are observing reality within a particular paradigm which is bounded by our current understanding. The rest is speculation, therefore only theory. As far as the "theory", of evolution is concerned, it sounds good to me, until someone comes up with something better.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
I'm not setting out to be insulting here, but your understanding of the term 'theory', and of the process of evolution appears to be really quite poor.
Evolution is entirely observable, and utterly reproducable. Evolution is, essentially, herediy combined with environmental influence and adaptation.
Either you're claiming that children do not inherit their attributes from their parents, or that environment plays no part in how a life-form develops.
Which one is it?
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johnnowa1953 2 years ago
But I do believe that children inherit the attributes of their parents, and that the environment does play a part in how life developes. That is why I don't beat my kids. I also believe that ordinary people can achieve extraordinary things, given the opportunity, and that we all have a lot yet to learn about the universe. A universe in which we have only begun to begin to understand.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
"we all have a lot yet to learn about the universe"
Yes, and you moreso than a lot of others when it comes to biology.
You cannot just write off what we've already discovered by saying there is more to be discovered. That's ludicrous.
Really, honestly, go and study evolution's claims about gene copying errors, natural selection, the Galapagos Islands, alleles, DNA, all these things. Once you 'get it', you will see what almost every scientific expert in the field has seen and now supports.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago
You sound like a very charming person.
johnnowa1953 2 years ago
In your world, someone must've dug out the riverbed for water to flow down it.
"Look at all the life-forms, the fish, the bacteria in the river! Oh and the river flows perfectly without pause out into the ocean. You're telling me this river was not put there by design?"
Of course it wasn't. The water travelled the path of least resistance much the way as life has travelled down it's path to it's current forms, guided by natural selection.
The music is there. You just aren't listening.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago
You are unbearably foolish.
Perhaps you'd like to read a book on evolution before embarrassing yourself on the internet with your childish ignorance of the facts and lack of basic common sense.
Jesus H...
YouKnowWhereThisEnds 2 years ago
"...but as darwin and wallace showed, there's another way, equally human and far more compelling." That's a highly arguable if not subjective statement. It sort of touches on some of the fudamental reasons evolution isn't more popular, in some parts of the world, but seems to rather gloss over it. Maybe this, and i think other parts of this episode, are only trying to appeal to minds already somewhat inclined to non-religious explanations. To help those blossom rather than change some others.
eggory 2 years ago
I think Sagan means that the theory of evolution is more compelling as regards human impetuous. I think a lot of people who disregard it forget that like Newton's Laws the Theory of Evolution is fundamental to the way most people in the industrialized world understand reality (even those who don't "believe" in evolution). The ideas of selection and the slow change pervade our ideology. The vocabulary of Darwinian ideas is present in the language of even those most critical of the philosophy.
SirNewt 2 years ago
The Theory of Evolution is not just an explanation of how humans came to be nor is it merely integral to natural history. It has been core to the expansion of History, Geology, Cosmology, Combinatorics, etc. It has assisted in solving problems in fields such as Computer Science and Commerce (the Right Wingers would do well to recognize Darwin as integral to their models of Free Market Economics).
SirNewt 2 years ago 2
Take this analogy. Here, Sagan is an artist drawing schematics and he's passing on to other drafters the techniques of his trade. And I don't think he really cares what in Impressionist painter has to say about his field. Maybe on another day he would but an impressionist painters philosophic differences about the way geometry should be interpreted don't interest him now. Sagan at this point is investing in his field.
SirNewt 2 years ago 2
@SirNewt Very well said. Especially for a youtube comment. I'm impressed, but not surprised, after all a fan of Sagan is bound to have quite a degree of intelligence. :)
Stoub 1 year ago
the sun is our designer :)
rogerthat155 2 years ago 2
EXCELLENT.
CARL SAGAN was the wise man of the 20th century.
We miss him dearly.
mohfoz77 2 years ago 4
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Evolution: is evolution for Real or fake.
Is carl sagan telling the truth.
Are humans related to monkeys and life on earth.
Humans, part of Nature. true-false.
charlesdarwinxxx 3 years ago
Only creationists dont believe in evolution. It's a fact, deal with it. Yes Carl Sagan is telling the truth.
shogun2508 2 years ago 11
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Message of all life is coded in DNA since the very beginging. Natural selection is misleading.
feifeishuangyu 3 years ago