bro the church will be here during the tribulation. why would jesus say "blessed is he who endures to the end "? endures wt../??/ n wen jesus comes life wouldnt continue on earth because " the heavens will pass away with a loud roar" n the wicked are distroyed by the brightness of his coming..
Im not trying to be funny, but who taught you that!? JESUS ACTUALLY SAID, in Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1Th 1:10 Says the church is delivered from the wrath to come...
How about this scripture, Isa 26:20 "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."
The church will be in heaven during the tribulation hidden away at the Beama seat judgment receiving rewards for faithfulness.
The Jews will have to go throught the tribulation, not the church. then after the tribulation we will come back to earth with JESUS to reign with him for one thousand years, "THATS WHEN THE PEOPLE WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING. if the church were still here how could they come back with Him on white horses?
Lol, thats real! I watched it, and it shook me up at how much I was saying "amen" I wasnt even thinking about it, I was just goin for it.... Its all good though. Thanks for checking it out...
i listen i was touched a lil bit i think when you went into the dispensation of the promise you skipped abraham cause thats where it comes from,and when you was talkin bout adam and eve not knowing they knew what tree not to eat from and that ultimatly they would be disobeying GOD,a few things you said was somewhat on point but we can clear everything up in no time i would love to chat with you and see where you at on certain things and take it from there ...if not a problem
Thank you for this study video. Let me just correct the idea of pre-tribulation rapture. This is a deception popularized by Tim Lahaye's 'Left Behind' series. God's people will go through the tribulation just like Noah went through the flood. Only those w/ the seal of God (faith in Jesus and obedience to His commandments) will be saved. Those with the mark of the beast will suffer & die. Otherwise the prophecies would be useless if God's people won't be around during tribulation.
That is incorrect... Noah going through the flood, represented the Jews who rejected Christ going through the Tribulation. Enoch being translated before the flood represents the Church being Raptured. All those that perished in the flood represent all those who take the mark & will perish in the Trib. Those that are saved now, as the bible says we escape the wrath to come. We are not going through the Trib sir. That goes against everything GOD stands for...
that noah part is way off brutha him being saved was definatly faith based the jews that rejected him didnt have faith,the scriptures tell you that in hebrews about the cats that had faith ,for the just shall live by it,i could see if you linked noah with moses and israel going thru the water but you a lil off on that ,or do you have a verse and chapter,paul said thru much tribulation shall we enter into the kingdom of god,christ said you must suffer for his sake ,paul said we die daily
Verses tying Trib to Flood: Matt24:37-38, Luke 17:26-27, Heb 11:7 (ark as prototype of Christ, salvation), 2Pet2:5-9 (principle). There are many other verses on how the believer is delivered but the unbeliever is not, which anyone else can tell you in profusion. Rapture is actually precedented on Adam, see my "How God Orchestrates Time" video and its description.
Great stuff. The Bible is a contradicting mess if you try to understand without its dispensations and covenants. "Rightly dividing the word of truth."
Show me a verse that mentions a 7 yr trib without bringing up Daniel 9:27. The 7 year trib was made up by the catholic church and they use John Hagee to spread this lie.
It's people like you who make Christians look bad. You tell me to repent but what you don't know is i live in repent to the Lord.
You say the "LORD will show you all about HIS WORD" Well friend he is The WORD. And he has shown me this.
You know what let me back up and apologize for my response to your comment, sometime I get a little upset with some of the things that people say on here, i shouldn't have come at you like that though, I'm sorry.. Why do you feel the Tribulation is a lie though? There are plenty of scriptures that talk about that time, and all the things that are going to transpire before JESUS comes back the 2nd time...
Look i do not deny the Tribulation at all. I just don't believe in a 7 year trib. Now from studying Scripture i have came to conclusion that the Great Tribulation started in 1967 after the 6 Day War as was prophecied in Daniel 8:14.
I've been shown about dispensations in the last few months. Still learning...but, I'm curious about what you say about the thief on the cross. From what I'm understanding there is only now one baptism (baptism of the Holy Ghost) so that water baptism is no longer needed. The apostles still under the Law were teaching "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins"...but Paul teaches pure grace...correct?
Sorry i'm just repsonding to this message. The dispensation of grace started on the day of Pentecost when the HOLY GHOST was first poured out. every since that point men and womoen had to be baptized and filled with the HOLY GHOST, like Peter said in Acts 2:38. The thief on the cross wasnt under the commands that we are because JESUS hadnt yet died, gotten up from the grave, or sent back His Spirit.
...as JESUS did because when he said less a man is born again of water and of the spirit he won't enter into the kingdom of heaven (John 3:5). Its that simple its quick and easy not hard, believe upon JESUS if you so choose repent from your ways and be baptized in his name, feel free to recieve the HOLY GHOST because that is what was promised. Repentance should always be first, but you can recieve the HOLY GHOST and be baptized I've seen it that way too, but GOD honors it either way period.
In other words it takes more than just those also. We also don't believe in once saved always saved, because you can lose your salvation through disobedience, true nobody can take you from GOD but you can walk away from GOD otherwise whats the use of choice? Choose this day whom you will serve (Joshua 24:15). The end it near and time is getting shorter and the bickering over baptism essential is ridiculous and should just be followed biblically. Obviously they thought it was essential as well
And your right they other things do not matter if you are not baptized, because they all coincide with each other, you can't just believe you must repent, you can't just repent you must be baptized for remission of sin, and you can't just be baptized you must recieve the HOLY GHOST. They are simple but people want to make it hard because they don't wanna believe still there is only one way and it is narrow. Narrow is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction.
You don't seem to understand the bible salvation is all three the repentance, baptism in the name of JESUS and remission of sins. You guys on here who think somebody is saying JESUS didn't save are being foolish to the truth. JESUS does save through his saving grace and blood, and he set through his apostles the saving grace of salvation and the plan that leads to salvation. We harp upon it no more than the apostles did, but people fight it so hard we're forced to talk about it.
wow what is it with church of christ members making baptism EVERYTHING. so therefore if i hear, believe, confess and repent and dont get baptized (for a reason that isn't rejecting baptism) and i die. I go to hell. Therefore Jesus didn't save me, baptism did. And i guess that sicne Confessing Saves you, believing saves you, repenting saves you if you arn't baptized all those things don't count? WOW.
Thank you Johnson! Interested people need to know this stuff! Remember - truth is available only thru the work of the Holy Spirit's guidance. Keep planting seeds, God will give the growth!
Connect! Please Leave me a message. Brother you are off, false doctrine. Adam and Eve where not innocent; in that God told them something not to do. Not to eat from that tree and God gave them free-will. Get it together. This is not hate but the truth shall stand. Jesus followed the Law; the Way, which was given to Moses. You are correct on that dispensation. Stop twisting Grace, read Romans...shall we sin so that grace may abound. Only 3dispensations-Patrichal-Mosaic-Christian.
I explained your error to you last time, and you didnt listen then. Why waste my time explaining it all over. Your trying to break down dispensations before you even receive the HOLY GHOST, thats backwards. Get saved first then the LORD might help you to understand the dispensations, because now, your way off... If you have any questions on salvation i'll be happy to anwer those for you, or u can just read the book of Acts.
JESUS told the disciples don't go preach teach or do anything until they receive the HOLY GHOST. (Acts 1:4),(Luk 24:49) The same goes for us, you have to have CHRIST living in you before you try to learn the WORD of GOD. That's where your going wrong...
bro the church will be here during the tribulation. why would jesus say "blessed is he who endures to the end "? endures wt../??/ n wen jesus comes life wouldnt continue on earth because " the heavens will pass away with a loud roar" n the wicked are distroyed by the brightness of his coming..
bandanason 2 years ago
Im not trying to be funny, but who taught you that!? JESUS ACTUALLY SAID, in Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
ibnjohnson 2 years ago
1Th 1:10 Says the church is delivered from the wrath to come...
How about this scripture, Isa 26:20 "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."
ibnjohnson 2 years ago
The church will be in heaven during the tribulation hidden away at the Beama seat judgment receiving rewards for faithfulness.
The Jews will have to go throught the tribulation, not the church. then after the tribulation we will come back to earth with JESUS to reign with him for one thousand years, "THATS WHEN THE PEOPLE WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING. if the church were still here how could they come back with Him on white horses?
Do some research on what i'm saying.
ibnjohnson 2 years ago
Pretty good vid, bro. I think you might say amen a little too much, though ;)
jmaconattack 3 years ago 2
Lol, thats real! I watched it, and it shook me up at how much I was saying "amen" I wasnt even thinking about it, I was just goin for it.... Its all good though. Thanks for checking it out...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
i listen i was touched a lil bit i think when you went into the dispensation of the promise you skipped abraham cause thats where it comes from,and when you was talkin bout adam and eve not knowing they knew what tree not to eat from and that ultimatly they would be disobeying GOD,a few things you said was somewhat on point but we can clear everything up in no time i would love to chat with you and see where you at on certain things and take it from there ...if not a problem
THAWORDIZ 3 years ago
AMEN
jbooks888 2 years ago
LOL - amen?
jbooks888 2 years ago
Thank you for this study video. Let me just correct the idea of pre-tribulation rapture. This is a deception popularized by Tim Lahaye's 'Left Behind' series. God's people will go through the tribulation just like Noah went through the flood. Only those w/ the seal of God (faith in Jesus and obedience to His commandments) will be saved. Those with the mark of the beast will suffer & die. Otherwise the prophecies would be useless if God's people won't be around during tribulation.
childoflight2 3 years ago
That is incorrect... Noah going through the flood, represented the Jews who rejected Christ going through the Tribulation. Enoch being translated before the flood represents the Church being Raptured. All those that perished in the flood represent all those who take the mark & will perish in the Trib. Those that are saved now, as the bible says we escape the wrath to come. We are not going through the Trib sir. That goes against everything GOD stands for...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
The LORD always delivers those that will serve Him from the wrath to come...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
that noah part is way off brutha him being saved was definatly faith based the jews that rejected him didnt have faith,the scriptures tell you that in hebrews about the cats that had faith ,for the just shall live by it,i could see if you linked noah with moses and israel going thru the water but you a lil off on that ,or do you have a verse and chapter,paul said thru much tribulation shall we enter into the kingdom of god,christ said you must suffer for his sake ,paul said we die daily
THAWORDIZ 3 years ago
Show me one text that ties Noah to the tribulation period please.
Show me one passage that ties enoch into the rature of the church.
Also I am still waiting for an answer on Ephesians 1:13-14 '
and John 6:35-40
Still waiting
Travis
TheNew181 2 years ago
Verses tying Trib to Flood: Matt24:37-38, Luke 17:26-27, Heb 11:7 (ark as prototype of Christ, salvation), 2Pet2:5-9 (principle). There are many other verses on how the believer is delivered but the unbeliever is not, which anyone else can tell you in profusion. Rapture is actually precedented on Adam, see my "How God Orchestrates Time" video and its description.
brainouty 2 years ago
Nice eisegesis bro.
I'm not even gonna bother this is nothing but eisegesis.
TheNew181 2 years ago
Just curious, when did Jesus say he would come back in two days?
theheat151 3 years ago
Never mind i found it in Hosea :)
theheat151 3 years ago
which chapter and verse in the book of Hosea?
carbin15 3 years ago
Hosea 6:2
theheat151 3 years ago
Great stuff. The Bible is a contradicting mess if you try to understand without its dispensations and covenants. "Rightly dividing the word of truth."
tempusfugit68 3 years ago
You better believe him. If you want to live and not be left here on earth when God Himself comes to cleanse this earth.
alanna747 3 years ago
Show me a verse that mentions a 7 yr trib without bringing up Daniel 9:27. The 7 year trib was made up by the catholic church and they use John Hagee to spread this lie.
It's people like you who make Christians look bad. You tell me to repent but what you don't know is i live in repent to the Lord.
You say the "LORD will show you all about HIS WORD" Well friend he is The WORD. And he has shown me this.
theheat151 3 years ago
You know what let me back up and apologize for my response to your comment, sometime I get a little upset with some of the things that people say on here, i shouldn't have come at you like that though, I'm sorry.. Why do you feel the Tribulation is a lie though? There are plenty of scriptures that talk about that time, and all the things that are going to transpire before JESUS comes back the 2nd time...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
It's ok brother. :) You're good in my book
Look i do not deny the Tribulation at all. I just don't believe in a 7 year trib. Now from studying Scripture i have came to conclusion that the Great Tribulation started in 1967 after the 6 Day War as was prophecied in Daniel 8:14.
theheat151 3 years ago
The seven year trib is a lie!!!
theheat151 3 years ago
I've been shown about dispensations in the last few months. Still learning...but, I'm curious about what you say about the thief on the cross. From what I'm understanding there is only now one baptism (baptism of the Holy Ghost) so that water baptism is no longer needed. The apostles still under the Law were teaching "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins"...but Paul teaches pure grace...correct?
mizbayakh 3 years ago
Hey...am I chopped liver? ;)Just hoping for a response on what you believe about this and why.
mizbayakh 3 years ago
Sorry i'm just repsonding to this message. The dispensation of grace started on the day of Pentecost when the HOLY GHOST was first poured out. every since that point men and womoen had to be baptized and filled with the HOLY GHOST, like Peter said in Acts 2:38. The thief on the cross wasnt under the commands that we are because JESUS hadnt yet died, gotten up from the grave, or sent back His Spirit.
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
i would like for us to talk one on one please! leave me a messege.
jayham972 3 years ago
Sorry it took so long, I'll email you...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
I havent forgot about you, I've been very busy.. If it be the LORD will we'll talk...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
Thank GOD!!! Somebody is studying the scriptures. Fantastic video! Well done!
indisbelief 3 years ago
...as JESUS did because when he said less a man is born again of water and of the spirit he won't enter into the kingdom of heaven (John 3:5). Its that simple its quick and easy not hard, believe upon JESUS if you so choose repent from your ways and be baptized in his name, feel free to recieve the HOLY GHOST because that is what was promised. Repentance should always be first, but you can recieve the HOLY GHOST and be baptized I've seen it that way too, but GOD honors it either way period.
aliveagain08 3 years ago
In other words it takes more than just those also. We also don't believe in once saved always saved, because you can lose your salvation through disobedience, true nobody can take you from GOD but you can walk away from GOD otherwise whats the use of choice? Choose this day whom you will serve (Joshua 24:15). The end it near and time is getting shorter and the bickering over baptism essential is ridiculous and should just be followed biblically. Obviously they thought it was essential as well
aliveagain08 3 years ago
And your right they other things do not matter if you are not baptized, because they all coincide with each other, you can't just believe you must repent, you can't just repent you must be baptized for remission of sin, and you can't just be baptized you must recieve the HOLY GHOST. They are simple but people want to make it hard because they don't wanna believe still there is only one way and it is narrow. Narrow is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction.
aliveagain08 3 years ago
You don't seem to understand the bible salvation is all three the repentance, baptism in the name of JESUS and remission of sins. You guys on here who think somebody is saying JESUS didn't save are being foolish to the truth. JESUS does save through his saving grace and blood, and he set through his apostles the saving grace of salvation and the plan that leads to salvation. We harp upon it no more than the apostles did, but people fight it so hard we're forced to talk about it.
aliveagain08 3 years ago
wow what is it with church of christ members making baptism EVERYTHING. so therefore if i hear, believe, confess and repent and dont get baptized (for a reason that isn't rejecting baptism) and i die. I go to hell. Therefore Jesus didn't save me, baptism did. And i guess that sicne Confessing Saves you, believing saves you, repenting saves you if you arn't baptized all those things don't count? WOW.
xchampx 3 years ago
Thank you Johnson! Interested people need to know this stuff! Remember - truth is available only thru the work of the Holy Spirit's guidance. Keep planting seeds, God will give the growth!
knothead 3 years ago
Connect! Please Leave me a message. Brother you are off, false doctrine. Adam and Eve where not innocent; in that God told them something not to do. Not to eat from that tree and God gave them free-will. Get it together. This is not hate but the truth shall stand. Jesus followed the Law; the Way, which was given to Moses. You are correct on that dispensation. Stop twisting Grace, read Romans...shall we sin so that grace may abound. Only 3dispensations-Patrichal-Mosaic-Christian.
cooleyhigh 3 years ago
I explained your error to you last time, and you didnt listen then. Why waste my time explaining it all over. Your trying to break down dispensations before you even receive the HOLY GHOST, thats backwards. Get saved first then the LORD might help you to understand the dispensations, because now, your way off... If you have any questions on salvation i'll be happy to anwer those for you, or u can just read the book of Acts.
ibnjohnson 3 years ago
JESUS told the disciples don't go preach teach or do anything until they receive the HOLY GHOST. (Acts 1:4),(Luk 24:49) The same goes for us, you have to have CHRIST living in you before you try to learn the WORD of GOD. That's where your going wrong...
ibnjohnson 3 years ago