Hey Uncle Nemo, I was told that a steady 20amp stream is available in a 20amp circuit like your wiper motor for example. But perhaps if what your talking about is bettering in assuring the amperage is constant than please let me what device youre using. Thanx for your impute and expertise. Marlon
Indepth report my man. Question though. Are you able to control the signal from all o2 sensors provided you have more than 1? And also where can I buy a flash arrestor from? And lastley, what is your main power source to your HHO generator?
Yes, the O2 sensors are now being controlled (after this video was made). You should build your own flash arrester, or go to myenergyinc on the net. My power source is my alternator. Keeping the amp draw down is important. I am working on an automatic PWM to control the amp draw. It will be ready in a few weeks for testing.
Try a PWM with current limiter from zerofossilfuel (YouTube). You can buy one, or make one by yourself from his design, the design is for free. The cell will get less hot and it takes more time to get hot, and the current will not rise when the water gets warm because you can limit the current. good for continuous currents up to 75 Amp Dc and peak current up to 250 Amp and adjustable to zero Amp. You can also adjust frequency up to 10 KHz and adjust duty cycle. It works great.
That will turn the generator and hydrogen OFF. The answer is to simply control the amp draw. Heat is perfectly fine and in fact, beneficial to the process (as I now know)
Hello friend, yes I agree you had a run away fuel cell. What I found works best to solve this problem is get the water to its normal temperature inside your car. Then add your electrolyte to the amperage you want to run at. I'm guessing that when the water heats up it can dissolve more of the electrolyte and cell then can push more amps.
When the electrolyte heats up, it becomes more conductive. That is the only issue. It is the same issue with all generators. The trick is to simply control the heat, or control the amp draw.
If you don't mind me asking, What did you have to do about your O2 sen... ? I have been told you need to hook up something to it or you will get bad milage because of the amount of O2 coming out the Exhaust?
There is nothing at all bad about baking soda. However, KOH and NAOH are DRAIN CLEANERS and will burn holes in your clothes, blind you , kill your kids if they get into it, and de-molecularize the aluminum block in your engine. Aluminum hyper-oxydizes in the presence of KOH and turns into Hydrogen + Aluminum Oxide......quickly
very nice thats what ya can expect a 8-10 Mpg improvement . My van went from 22.30 mpg ..not bad at all. as long as your around 140F at 26 amps hot Very good. Hope your using KOH or NAOH and not baking soda.
Have you personally had bad experience with baking soda? I ask because I have been running it for 7 months without a problem. Both KOH and NAOH can kill you and ruin your engine, since I have kids and I don't want them dead, I opted to not use it. Imagine a situation where you, or someone else, overfills the generator a little bit. The fluid gets pulled into the intake and into the engine. Goodbye intake/seals All Aluminum parts in the engine will defloculate :( :( new engine time.
I was running my cell had a heat problem so now I run it on 5 volts 20 amps cool as a cucuber and just as much output there is a couple of ways of doing this computer power supply and a inverter. or I am useing my power supply that runs my blower motor and I just crank it down and add backing soda to bring the amps back up works great seeing my air is not working right now it creates no problem , well I thought I would pass this on have a great day
I have not experimented with lower voltage....yet. If it works, that is great. Since 1 watt is directly translated into heat energy, using less will keep the system cooler. However, I want my cell to produce water vapor, just not run away with amperage. The steam increases combustion and keeps the engine cooler.
Excellent point, with the steam/water injection. I am actually planning to do it....when I find the time. You are right, it should reduce heat and add a little power.
? u answered 1 of my questions but my comment isn't here... how about the engine timing? have you adjusted it to suit the faster combustion rate of the hydrogen mix? ignition delayed till TDC should improve the efficiency and mpg of the engine...
I did not adjust the timing. I am only adding 1LTR/MIN to the mix, as apposed to the 220LPM that would be required to run my vehicle. The TDC setting is something mentioned by the Joe Cell guy. I have not heard of even one person being able to replicate the Joe Cell experiment.
you don't need to run the engine on pure hho to benefit from delayed timing. a small amount of hydrogen will recharacterise the combustion event with a higher flame speed. in my favourites is a set of videos u may find interesting... hydrogen engine fundamentals... hope it helps...
Nice video! I think that your results are good any improvement is something. I'm wondering if you use a pwm to turn down the amps when it reaches full temperature if that won't solve some of your problem with heating. I don't think that pwms do much good for production but they do seem to help with the temperature problem, at least in my experiments. What kind of results have you gotten without a effi device on your saturn?. Nice to see others in the hunt! Love watching the progress!!
Without the enhancers, the MPG gain was great at first. Then it went away completely. ECU learns quickly. You are right on the mark with the PWM idea. I need a higher amperage PWM to reduce my wattage.
Heres a thought, relocate the battery into the trunk, I have done this many times for race vehicles. And then design the container based from the battery design. Bats are a 6 chambered plastic box, each cell has its own chamber. If there is a battery story maybe you can get the lower piece before they put a top on it, I would only run 4 or 5 of the cells, and use the others as bubblers. Just a thought.
Not under this account:) But I have a lot of experience with it. Subscriptions and videos in one account was too much info to handle. When your keeping track of a couple hundred youtubers it helps me to remember things in two categories.
It looks that way. I want to see the results when I take a really long trip.....say 400 miles. My original milage (without the generator) was on a 460 mile trip.
Hey Uncle Nemo, I was told that a steady 20amp stream is available in a 20amp circuit like your wiper motor for example. But perhaps if what your talking about is bettering in assuring the amperage is constant than please let me what device youre using. Thanx for your impute and expertise. Marlon
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OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Indepth report my man. Question though. Are you able to control the signal from all o2 sensors provided you have more than 1? And also where can I buy a flash arrestor from? And lastley, what is your main power source to your HHO generator?
Tahnx for your time and skills. Marlon
dorfgnal 3 years ago
Yes, the O2 sensors are now being controlled (after this video was made). You should build your own flash arrester, or go to myenergyinc on the net. My power source is my alternator. Keeping the amp draw down is important. I am working on an automatic PWM to control the amp draw. It will be ready in a few weeks for testing.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Try a PWM with current limiter from zerofossilfuel (YouTube). You can buy one, or make one by yourself from his design, the design is for free. The cell will get less hot and it takes more time to get hot, and the current will not rise when the water gets warm because you can limit the current. good for continuous currents up to 75 Amp Dc and peak current up to 250 Amp and adjustable to zero Amp. You can also adjust frequency up to 10 KHz and adjust duty cycle. It works great.
Success, Rick
insAneTunA 3 years ago
Excellent info about the PWM. I do use one now. It does not improve production, but does make it easy to control the amp draw.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
top oil n more water helps 3yrs now
5154952 3 years ago
More water?
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
mount a thermostat control to the body ofthe hydrogen generator wire it into the supply voltage. it will become self regulating.
supressorgrid 3 years ago
That will turn the generator and hydrogen OFF. The answer is to simply control the amp draw. Heat is perfectly fine and in fact, beneficial to the process (as I now know)
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Hello friend, yes I agree you had a run away fuel cell. What I found works best to solve this problem is get the water to its normal temperature inside your car. Then add your electrolyte to the amperage you want to run at. I'm guessing that when the water heats up it can dissolve more of the electrolyte and cell then can push more amps.
ryer9000 3 years ago
When the electrolyte heats up, it becomes more conductive. That is the only issue. It is the same issue with all generators. The trick is to simply control the heat, or control the amp draw.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
If you don't mind me asking, What did you have to do about your O2 sen... ? I have been told you need to hook up something to it or you will get bad milage because of the amount of O2 coming out the Exhaust?
Yomanx24 3 years ago
IM new to playing with this. What are you talking about when say koh & naoh? And what is bad about baking soda? Thanks for any help.
Yomanx24 3 years ago
There is nothing at all bad about baking soda. However, KOH and NAOH are DRAIN CLEANERS and will burn holes in your clothes, blind you , kill your kids if they get into it, and de-molecularize the aluminum block in your engine. Aluminum hyper-oxydizes in the presence of KOH and turns into Hydrogen + Aluminum Oxide......quickly
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Run the tank empty then try it. Anyways, keep us informed on this farse.
buggar4466 3 years ago
What is this comment in reference to?
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
very nice thats what ya can expect a 8-10 Mpg improvement . My van went from 22.30 mpg ..not bad at all. as long as your around 140F at 26 amps hot Very good. Hope your using KOH or NAOH and not baking soda.
Vistal1 3 years ago
Have you personally had bad experience with baking soda? I ask because I have been running it for 7 months without a problem. Both KOH and NAOH can kill you and ruin your engine, since I have kids and I don't want them dead, I opted to not use it. Imagine a situation where you, or someone else, overfills the generator a little bit. The fluid gets pulled into the intake and into the engine. Goodbye intake/seals All Aluminum parts in the engine will defloculate :( :( new engine time.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
wow pretty good improvement - good job.
I am looking to build & install a cell in my vehicle. Thanks for the inspiration, I look forward to watching more of your vids.
AlmostHydrogen 3 years ago
Thankyou for your posts, seen a few of them and all interesting. cool!
huntaway 3 years ago
I was running my cell had a heat problem so now I run it on 5 volts 20 amps cool as a cucuber and just as much output there is a couple of ways of doing this computer power supply and a inverter. or I am useing my power supply that runs my blower motor and I just crank it down and add backing soda to bring the amps back up works great seeing my air is not working right now it creates no problem , well I thought I would pass this on have a great day
rickeygottheblues 3 years ago
I have not experimented with lower voltage....yet. If it works, that is great. Since 1 watt is directly translated into heat energy, using less will keep the system cooler. However, I want my cell to produce water vapor, just not run away with amperage. The steam increases combustion and keeps the engine cooler.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Excellent point, with the steam/water injection. I am actually planning to do it....when I find the time. You are right, it should reduce heat and add a little power.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
? u answered 1 of my questions but my comment isn't here... how about the engine timing? have you adjusted it to suit the faster combustion rate of the hydrogen mix? ignition delayed till TDC should improve the efficiency and mpg of the engine...
sceptic33 3 years ago
I did not adjust the timing. I am only adding 1LTR/MIN to the mix, as apposed to the 220LPM that would be required to run my vehicle. The TDC setting is something mentioned by the Joe Cell guy. I have not heard of even one person being able to replicate the Joe Cell experiment.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
you don't need to run the engine on pure hho to benefit from delayed timing. a small amount of hydrogen will recharacterise the combustion event with a higher flame speed. in my favourites is a set of videos u may find interesting... hydrogen engine fundamentals... hope it helps...
sceptic33 3 years ago
Hey, thanks for the info. I will check it out now.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
So what did you use to get around the 02 sensors, and the cars computer? I'm facing that problem now.
SumnerFilm 3 years ago
See my other videos. The O2/MAP enhancer combo works like a charm. No O2 problems anymore.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
Nice video! I think that your results are good any improvement is something. I'm wondering if you use a pwm to turn down the amps when it reaches full temperature if that won't solve some of your problem with heating. I don't think that pwms do much good for production but they do seem to help with the temperature problem, at least in my experiments. What kind of results have you gotten without a effi device on your saturn?. Nice to see others in the hunt! Love watching the progress!!
hydrogenassist 3 years ago
Without the enhancers, the MPG gain was great at first. Then it went away completely. ECU learns quickly. You are right on the mark with the PWM idea. I need a higher amperage PWM to reduce my wattage.
OriginalUncleNemo 3 years ago
run multiple cells wired in series, if you lower the voltage per cell, it will not heat up.
mielectric1 4 years ago
That is the best idea, but there is no room in this engine compartment. I want to avoid putting it into the trunk for fear of a slight Hydrogen leak.
OriginalUncleNemo 4 years ago
where theres a will....
Heres a thought, relocate the battery into the trunk, I have done this many times for race vehicles. And then design the container based from the battery design. Bats are a 6 chambered plastic box, each cell has its own chamber. If there is a battery story maybe you can get the lower piece before they put a top on it, I would only run 4 or 5 of the cells, and use the others as bubblers. Just a thought.
mielectric1 4 years ago
Excellent idea! Thanks for jogging my brain, lol. Do you have an HHO gen in your car?
OriginalUncleNemo 4 years ago
Not under this account:) But I have a lot of experience with it. Subscriptions and videos in one account was too much info to handle. When your keeping track of a couple hundred youtubers it helps me to remember things in two categories.
mielectric1 4 years ago
so you are thinking 10-15% increase ?
SmartScarecrow 4 years ago
It looks that way. I want to see the results when I take a really long trip.....say 400 miles. My original milage (without the generator) was on a 460 mile trip.
OriginalUncleNemo 4 years ago