the purpose is there is no purpose. we have a miniscule amount of time on the Earth, so make your OWN mind of what YOU want for yourself, your inner morals and ethics, not what your society says.
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The question is a good one, where does our sense of morality come from? To name this inner sense of what's right & wrong God or the Internal Witness makes little difference. We are always acting simultaneously from our biology & our culture.
If god & the IW represent the same metaphysical phenomena/experience then does religious god need a moral dogma? i.e does morality need to be prescribed in dogma if we are created with an inner sense of morality or is morality rote learning?
I think if you say you are 99% sure their is no god your lyiing to yourself. Just as you cant say somewhere in the infinite universe their isnt other life, you cant even be.00099% sure we are alone or thier is no god. you simply feel clever & that you fully understand the universe when actually what a man knows is a drop of water compared to all the oceans Whistle in the graveyard if it makes you feel better
All things may be permitted to nature. and i believe all things are. nature doesnt give a fuck. but i do, sometimes anyway. and so not all things will be permitted by me. same for all other people i think. we don't need some objective moral standard. we follow our own compass, and take responsibility for whatever we choose to defend or promote. i dont think rape is immoral in an objective sense. but i wont let anyone rape my sister. id let someone rape turek tho. its only nature. i dont like him
Hes to clever for his own good, of course the creationlism crowd doesnt make a strong argument. How can anyone be a atheist and not at least a agnostic? The universe is stranger then we suppose, stranger then Hitchens or anyone else can suppose. Being clever is fine, no matter what the arugment though arrogance is the wrong step. The smartest man in the world is a fool if he doesntt realize he can learn something from everyone else, use that cleverness to know how to pick and choose
@guitargold77 then you misapprehend the atheist position. the reason why he doesnt call himself an agnostic is because the agnostic is too timid. being completely neutral. the atheist cannot know that there is no god... but is about 99.9% sure. I cant prove there are no unicorns.. there might be.. probably arent any tho. i am an atheist the same way i am an a-unicornist. its not 50-50.
@rzadan "Turek says that the biggest problem with Christianity is christians . Then the question is : what made thos people christians if not christianity ?"
What a meaningless & nonsensical question... this from someone who has poor command of English.
Ask the following question from A muslim.The question: Assume a religion is made which says : Muslims are worse than animals , bastards ,and must pay jiziyah ( 50% extra tax ) , must be subdued and killed and their wives raped . Ask them then: Is such a religion evil and must be eradicated or not ?
None of them ( Muslims)will answer this question and run like rats to hide in their holes. Why ? cuz :
The above is quranic teachings. I just changed the word non-muslim to muslim. Try it
There is NO fucking "purpose". Purpose is a human construct. It is like saying what is the colour of nay. It's just arbitrary fucking meaning.
Nature doesn't care whether its a razor blade going through your heart or a thousand children being saved by Kobe Bryant. It is all just molecules and is all equal in that sense.
NO, this does not mean that all is permissable. We still have feelings and thoughts.
The purpose of life. I'd like to ask Turek that question too. Seriously people always ask atheists what the purpose of life is. Why not ask a religious person that too? Is really the purpose of life to be nice in fear of hell, or nice in hope of heavenly reward? If there is a purpose it would seriously be sad if that is how things are. I really love my friends, and my family, and life is sometimes hard. But i'm so glad i've lived it thus far, focusing on the here and now, and not the hereafter.
@gillianorley I would argue that there's a purpose of reproduction and keeping oneself alive. An evolutionary purpose, I suppose. What happens in the meantime appears pretty purposeless but of course we can make it seem purposeful, depending on the way we choose to live our lives.
This evolutionary purpose doesn't apply to everyone, of course, because there are exceptions in people who are unable to reproduce and unwilling to stay alive.
When you watch Hitchens, you have to *think* about what he is saying. Not that it is unplain, but he doesn't always deliver a sound bite. That is a good or a bad thing depending on your abilities.
The universe does not owe you a purpose. You have to give that to yourself. You can, as Hitchins, simply take pleasure in the good things in life. Or you can dedicate yourself to others. Or find some other useful thing to do with yourself. Its up to you.
Turek admits it ! , the problem with Christianity is Christians . But on a much higher note ..Why dose every one need to worship Idols . Learning stops when worship beguins . Idols are not rational .May it be Christ?, or any other god , or gods . Or rock stars or , movie stars,sports stars , ect. Can't we just stand on our own , with out delusional crutches ?
Quite amusing to watch that fellow sitting next to Hitchens getting completely destroyed. He is so out of his depth, it is almost embarrassing to behold...
Well, for the first time ever Christopher Hitchens is not speculative about the existence of God, one way or another, he now knows with definite certainty.
@SSaetervik That's the point, either he has slipped into nothingness and his existence was but a cosmic accident void of meaning or he has met his maker and whatever becomes of that meeting has transpired, either way there is absolution. Either he argued in vain for atheism because now he does not exist so what difference did it make how the time was filled, or he argued in vain for atheism because God does exist and so his argument was incorrect.
Life lived is not lived in vain. God is not the only potential giver of meaning in the Universe.
And what do you mean "That's the point" ? Hitchens hasn't "gone" anywhere, he just died - which was my point, his existence is over. What makes you think some god "summoned" him? When someone's brain shuts down, it's all over - and there's no evidence to the contrary.
@SSaetervik First of all you've constructed a strawman argument, no one mentioned any "summoning".But it is intellectually indefensible to say a life of chance is worth living since chance itself has no purpose, only circumstance to thank for ever coming to pass. If you are but material matter, formed without design from a primordial ooze that transpired by mere chemical happenstance then your life is nothing but a glorified mesh of the periodic table, yuor thoughts chemical reaction and no more
Christopher Hitchens...you are paying dearly for that comment you made about Jesus and all the other blasphemy you spewed out of your mouth. Too bad for you Hitchens. Funny how some many people think this man was an intellect...intellect my ass!
@dogloverNV Shame on me? Nah not really. On the other hand, you have a LOT to be shameful for. So start taking out your list of all the stupidity you've done in your life. I bet it's a very loooonnnnggg list so you might as well start buying the 12,485 ink catridges that's you'll need to print out all the shameful stuff you've done and keep making each and every day. Bye bye now!
Hitchens has helped me convert to Christianity.I disagree that with his view that vicarious redemption is terrible.As a newly converted Christian,I can see an up side to it.Jesus died for my sins so I can do whatever the fuck I want.Thanks Jesus.
Out of curiosity, I'd love to see Mr Hitchens' empirical proof of this internal daemon. For arguments' sake let's say there's no God or any essence of the divine. Good. Fine. Let's move on now.
Where is this daemon found? What are the mathematical formulae for it? Have we discovered the daemon particle? Can we prove it exists? I guess we can't prove it doesn't exist, but then isn't it a fallacy to try and prove a negative?
@objectivechristian It could be found in our neurological pathways. Neuroscience is fairly new, there is much we don't know about the mind. I see no reason to believe it is impossible to discover though.
@riahmatic It's a profound act of faith, perhapsm ore so than any theist/ deist, to lay claim that out of nothing arose a complicated molecular structure that somehow fastened itself beyond chemical into biology and somehow then attached itself to universal ethics, if this is true then ethics are but artifices, not transcendental. Ultimately if Hitchens is right, it is ironically futile to argue about anything because existence is but happenstance and not purposeful, nihilisim wins, all is vain.
@Speegs23 Universal, no. Without conscious creatures, ethics wouldn't exists in the universe. But yes, "ethics" can develop biologically. Is it a wonder pirana don't tear each other apart without external guidance? Species tend to form stable societies, a testament to the fact that they are still around. All may ultimately be in vain, but everyday experience is much more real to us. This too may be instinctual. (also notice how these claims are falsifiable, no faith needed.)
@riahmatic The periodic table is all that man is, the periodic table has no ability to function in the formation of ethics or culture or love or hate, if all we are is survivalists then oxytocin and adrenaline would be the lone chemical functions with any feasible "evolutionary" rationale, and since our emotions, even those founded on reactions to those chemical surges, are more nuanced and profound, it doesn't add up that every thing you do is merely material, if so arguing is a moot point.
@Speegs23 "The periodic table is all that man is, the periodic table has no ability to function in the formation of ethics or culture or love or hate..." Says who? Lack of knowledge on a subject doesn't make it impossible, it just means you have no idea how it would work. The rest of your post continues to build this man out of straw.
Science gives us knowledge that makes a real difference in the world. Evolutionary biology makes a real difference, as will neuroscience.
@riahmatic Conjecture, exactly though "says who" what authority does an accidental organism that is but a bunch of firing particle matters have to make a truth claim? You are but a chance being occupying space and time with no conclusion except that you will perish, the course of your life not lived with any validity beyond simply passing through this vortex of chance, nothing more. Such is the only logical and consistent conclusion of true Darwianism, otherwise you betray it's purity
@Speegs23 First, our origin has no bearing on our fate. Engineered or "accidental", entropy may ultimately consume the universe. Second: "When you are studying any matter, or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only: what are the facts, and what is the truth that the facts bear out. Never let yourself be diverted, either by what you wish to believe, or what you think could have beneficent social effects if it were believed; but look only and solely at what are the facts." - Bertrand Russell
@riahmatic No mate, that's illogical, a universe that is for merely the sake of accidental being is not purposeful, it has no laws to govern it if it is but chance that laws even came to pass, it is simply irrational to think i can give subjective meaning to an existence for then i am without any room to question anyone else's subjective truth claims as i have no authority greater than theirs, we are all but firing neurons and chemical reactions, thought itself an artifice and not transcendental
@Speegs23 Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm not arguing for objective morals/values, I'm saying that even if we were created, it doesn't follow that our existence is any less futile. You hold on to these myths because it helps you sleep better at night, but reality owes you no happy ending.
Purpose and meaning are inventions of the mind. So long as we are here, they are real and have power.
@riahmatic If you exist by happenstance with no certainty other than death and a trillion manners by which that outcome will come to pass then you are nothing but an occupier of time and space, a passing parasite who has to invent a meaning to an otherwise meaningless and doomed existence
All actions are in vain for all will end in death, no one escapes it, you may prolong your existence but what good is existence for existence sake. That is the dilemma of this rudderless worldview, nothingness
@Speegs23 It's not a dilemma -- it's reality as we know it to be. As for why we don't sulk in a corner at this reality, this video probably explains it better than I can: /watch?v=ptwEV0xhTzI
@Speegs23 We don't pretend, rather it is instinctual to give meaning and value to what we do. One must actively turn to existential nihilism, having placed value in it.
@riahmatic It a circular argument as instinct goes back to merely being the product of chance and chemical reactions, not true meaning if they are the happenstance of matter coming together at random accident. Nihilism is the only intellectually honest end to an accidental cosmic existence, even though the very thoughts that entertain nihilism are but random neurons firing and not of any true meaning, irony.
Back to my valid point, if this is so, then all is vanity, even discussing ourselves.
@Speegs23 A nihilist is free to give meaning and purpose to what they do. They simply believe there is no justification for it, no "true meaning". From your comment about pretending, it also seems as though you are trying to cross the is-ought gap.
@riahmatic That in and of itself is artificial meaning, in actuality any assigned meaning is artificial if all we are is cosmic chance accidents destined to perish.
@Speegs23 A pursuit is worthwhile to a man who deems them meaningful. Again, the meaning need not be justified objectively. We will have to disagree here.
@riahmatic There is no meaning, only time filler if there is no absolute truth. Your existence is pointless, so to deem your daily pursuits as somehow meaningful is nonsensical. The only consistent position for an accidental existence is to admit nothing matters.
@Speegs23 "The only consistent position for an accidental existence is to admit nothing matters" _objectively_. A nihilist must only reject objective meaning. Subjective meaning is NOT precluded by nihilism. Naturalism also does not preclude subjective meaning. For that you need to reject physicalism of the mind, which is not what most naturalists do, but you seem to do.
@Speegs23 According to the ancient Sumerian text, we humans, were created as a slave race to dig for gold because the Annunaki needed it to seed their atmosphere.
@TheDano1947 Well, best buy your copy of dianetics and work your way up the Scientology food chain, however from a darwinian viewpoint that vain exercise would be no less or more valid then any other time filling pursuit a doomed and accidental existence is going to purposelessly meet.
@Speegs23 I have no idea as to what you are referring and therefore cannot address it at all. How about a RE: and I might be able too answer it with some degree of clarity.
@TheDano1947 Forgivem e, i think there's been some misccommunication of context, I'm simply postulating that nihilism is the only logical end to an accidental existence, which is the basis of all the presuppositions behind the hitchens' worldview. If man is accidentally here then it is insane to suggest he has a purpose, just an existence, one that will end in death so it is artificial to give purposeless man's accidental birth a reason to be here, yet Chris keeps citing ethics, but all in vain
@Speegs23 No one has to accept Nihilism as their life philosophy. You misrepresent the position of an accidental existence by stating it's insane to suggest the a being does not have purpose solely on it's accidental origin. Purpose can be found after creation, in so much in fact nothing has purpose until it's found. Chris is rebutting a question about morals without god and simply cites how good is a part of "most" our internal subconscious.
@Digg175 No one has to accept it...unless they want to remain intellectually consistent. An accidental universe void of design cannot have retroactive purpose, how can a purposeless being suddenly assign authority to an artifice such as purpose if all it is in the end is subjective then arguing about anything is an act of vanity, to dust you will return, how you toiled was of no consequence. nihilism is the only logical end to an accidental existence, it is illogical to suggest otherwise.
@objectivechristian you need proof of this internal daemon... (its the voice in your head, the one you use when u are NOT reading out loud.. when you make decisions, like what to eat for breakfast)
why do people answer questiions by quoting other people (humans)?...Hitchens dances around the question... where does morality come from? if i decide to kill someone today who did i sin against? will i be punished by a highter law? if not, where is the justice? as humans we cry out for justice...especially the vulnerable...
@TennisAnnalyst Since when I am in a position of justifying anything? I told you already, it does not fly with me. I am trying to tell you that observation of reality reinforced my faith in the Lord, arbitrary or not is irrelevant, the truth is truth. I can call ideas whatever I want, I guess, but you cannot call God an idea since you have no idea what you are talking about.
@TennisAnnalyst You may not say it, but you mean it. I am not an idiot, I understand.
"It begins with the justification and ends with the answer." This is the wishful thinking. Flash light: I do not argue, I share if you care and, as I stated before, my faith IS NOT the result of mathematical or amy other thinking. It is based on experience, which you do not have, have never had and will never have unless you turn to God with your heart. Mind only will never do the work. It's very limited.
@TennisAnnalyst Do not be rude. Off course you do not have anything to say that "God is real", it does not come naturally, it requires initial faith and the will power. Without it, you will stay in this prison of reason with nothing.
@TennisAnnalyst If you are an honest person and have some brain, you will see that atheism works in absolutely the same way. Scientific method works the same way. Theory - research - proof - fact. Yes, I do agree that I believed fist because without faith it's impossible to reach God, then I have had assurance of His existence for over 20 years, which in then strengthened my faith dramatically. If you call it logically wrong, than there is something wrong with your logic.
Respond to this video... " "I believe in God because he is real" that's a circular argument which is called a logical fallacy. "
You sounded so smart at first. What you called a circular argument is actually called cause and effect, circular argument would be "I believe because I believe" or "I do not believe because I do not believe".
Respond to this video... And do not lie: you do not believe in God. For a person, who you claim to be, spending that much time on fighting religion simply does not make any sense. I do not believe in Allah and gazillion of other things, so I do not spend any time on similar forums, I do not care much about it. You have a pathological "love" in reverse to Christianity, that's why you are here at the first place. My pretense here is different. I believe, so I care.
Respond to this video... Besides, all I hear from you is "God is not real" and then you do the same: you justify your unbelief with mental gymnastics. We both do the same thing: we use our worldviews as points of reference. I believe in Christ you do not, we deal with beliefs, the only difference between us is: I know God and you do not (unfortunately), and the absence of knowledge and experience is not an argument against the opposite.
@TennisAnnalyst Suit yourself. There is no fallacies in believing in some one or something because of assurance of reality of the object of belief. I have no clue why you assume that I just decided that God is real. Too much of atheist propaganda? You say: "you decided arbitrarily that God was real and then try to justify your position." I know you would expect that, but, hello, where have you seen this? I do not justify neither God nor myself, there is no need for it.
@TennisAnnalyst besides, I did not say faith is infinite, it's actually very limited, but faith of a small seed is enough to let infinite God into one's heart.
@TennisAnnalyst You do not know God, that's the problem. And you still preach about the lack of knowledge speaking about Him. You do not have faith - that's why it's nothing to you. I am not on the same page. And there is no way in the world that God, me or anyone can impose this faith against your will, and none of us will even try.
@TennisAnnalyst Why are you so emotional and so sure in what you claim to have no complete knowledge? I did not say logic is bad. I said faith is superior to logic and only in context of faith in God logic is not self-referential as yours. I do not believe in God because it is logical to me. I believe in God because He is real and then I use logic and reason. I am telling this third time and you still do not want to get it.
@TennisAnnalyst You start with "He is not real" and work from that and still claim that faith is not the answer. Dear... sir or whoever you are, there is much more to life than logic, language or knowledge, way much more that can only be reached by faith. Faith is superior to knowledge since knowledge is finite and thus cannot reach infinite. I do not bet on any idea of God, God is not an idea and I believe in Him not because I say so, but because He is real.... get it, please, at least once.
@TennisAnnalyst Ah, you try it all backwards, well since the book you try to improve is way older than you, improvement would not be a good word, try to improve history and see what happens. You treat the Bible as if it is a college textbook that fall from the sky yesterday. There is something very important that your logic constantly misses. You assume too many things about the reasons people believe in biblical God except the main one: He is real, and the best part: I do not have to prove it.
@TennisAnnalyst That is interpretation. And the very wrong one. If you cannot distinguish between two testaments, if you do not see difference between advocating and the cultural context... why I even bother? Take hermeneutics or something.
@TennisAnnalyst In order to say religion is wrong, you have to do at least three things:
1) specify which one in order to omit fallacy of generalization
2) define what you mean by religion, it has multiple meaning, some of which I do not relate to either
3) know everything mentally and experientially about what you claim is wrong
and if after all you are still in your shoes, then make a claim. Otherwise to argue it is like to shoot in the sky blind-folded trying to kill a small bird.
@TennisAnnalyst You are right in that opening books helps sometimes and since the discussion is on religion, to consult books written by atheists is as equally smart as is taking a course on color theory from a blind professor. That's where books are useless as well. However, you are greatly wrong assuming that I intent to insult you or I am interested in critiquing you. I see no point in either. You are no more open minded to criticism as you are open to God Himself.
@TennisAnnalyst "we are considered responsible for being the descendant of a wrongdoer." True, some Christian believe that, I do not. You have to understand theology and different kinds of it in order not be brainwashed by people that know not much more than you do. We are responsible for our own sins, that's as clear in the Bible as day, being descendents of the first sinners only conditions us to sin, it does not make us sinners responsible for what we never did.
More and more I'm finding Hitchens dodges the question, simply dances around. His answer to the first question is "the notion of God is absurd" which neither answers the question about morality or meaning of life
@RakshasaCat Simple. Do you believe that some people should be stopped from doing what they want, regardless of whether they believe its wrong or right? For example, stopping a murderer? If yes, then you are holding that person to a higher morality than the one he/she made for themselves. If you truly advocate autonomy then you should set the prisoners free, they should be able to do what they want, establish their own morality. If you want more answers, subscribe :-) more videos coming
I do not believe in Hitchens' version of God either. He is misrepresenting both God and Christianity. It's called poisoning well. I agree that Christians should not pay any attention to guys like him adding to his credibility.
Humans role on the planet, as defined by nature, is to be custodians and/or resource managers. To kill another human would be the same as seeing a cow kill another cow, or sheep kill another sheep. it is not part of their role and it would show a disturbing insanity if an animal did this. animals have the humility to accept their role with equanimity.
Watching these overeducated snobs is like watching medieval psychopaths argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
The question at 4:25 is misunderstood. They as asking that if Christianity is the absolute truth, then why is it that people outside of that religion can have the same or greater impact, the same or better experiences and the same or better spirituality? Basically the question posed suggests that you can do all the same 'good' things without Christianity & I would say without religion at all. So it's not religion that makes something good or true, but just the absolute of good or true itself.
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I think Hitch was basically saying that the purpose of life is to enjoy it. For him, he enjoys gloating over others misfortune (or so he says). Someone else enjoys time with their family or creating art or doing charity work. The purpose of life is to LIVE. Your time on Earth isn't a dress rehearsal.
@Scriptease123 when he say's he gloats over the misfortunes of others im pretty sure he is making fun of religion.. as you gloat over others going to hell.. while you the non sinner goes to heaven...
I'm a atheist and found a brown paper bag with $700 in cash in it the other day and I turned it in to the police and the owner could not be happier. Where did that come from?
If that's the best you can do... Oh man these guys would would commit suicide if they listened to any son on stunpals( dotcom ) except for Hitchens. He's heard a lot of shit.
Hey go over there and stand by all those cactus. I got a poisonous newt and venomous rattle snake made by god, just for you. Hold these I'll be rightttttt back.
Ok, back
I got you a vile full of AIDS, a human hermaphrodite. Also brought some aborted fetuses due to stupid design. Jee-golly this is great, thanks god! Can't you see the beauty now? #Atheist
@MrMaxTruth predominantly because the majority of the planet are uneducated... the more educated people become the more they throw off the shackles of religion
@MrMaxTruth "so mind-blowingly brilliant" ...? You make it sound as if atheism is a religion in and of its own with a set of ideals and beliefs and whatnot. Atheism is simply not being a theist. Look a little more closely at the word.
@MrMaxTruth I do believe in love, though defining it is much harder. Second question... dying to protect loved ones, yes, absolutely worth it. And also soldiers who died fighting Nazism, etc., I think that was love and I don't think it was a sacrifice in vain at all.
@TheArchon47 Here is the paradox. On the one hand athiests reject God based on the the lack of scientific evidence and on the other many of those same athiests belive in love.Considering that not one hair of evidence has ever been provided to proove the existence of "love", i find it strange that so many athiests not only belive in it but are willing to lay down their lives for somthing that has never been prooven to exist. (Apologies if your not an athiest i'm talking genrally here.)
@MrMaxTruth We don't "believe" in love, such as we know how others "love." We experience a feeling for others, such as mates and children, and call it love. Anyone would die for their child, even atheists. God is the only one who would SEND HIS CHILD TO BE KILLED.
the purpose is there is no purpose. we have a miniscule amount of time on the Earth, so make your OWN mind of what YOU want for yourself, your inner morals and ethics, not what your society says.
SmileyPsycho1 2 days ago
"If God does not exist, why do all people have a fixed moral obligation to love and not murder"
So THAT'S why our world is so full of peace, love and harmony.
porrsmurfen 2 days ago
3:06 LOL, like a BOSS ! :)
ExamineTheHorizon 5 days ago
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 6 days ago
The question is a good one, where does our sense of morality come from? To name this inner sense of what's right & wrong God or the Internal Witness makes little difference. We are always acting simultaneously from our biology & our culture.
If god & the IW represent the same metaphysical phenomena/experience then does religious god need a moral dogma? i.e does morality need to be prescribed in dogma if we are created with an inner sense of morality or is morality rote learning?
canteluna 6 days ago
I think if you say you are 99% sure their is no god your lyiing to yourself. Just as you cant say somewhere in the infinite universe their isnt other life, you cant even be.00099% sure we are alone or thier is no god. you simply feel clever & that you fully understand the universe when actually what a man knows is a drop of water compared to all the oceans Whistle in the graveyard if it makes you feel better
guitargold77 6 days ago
Ha ha!! - Poor old Turek went into this battle of intellects without any arms or ammunition at all!
Tobytrim 6 days ago
All things may be permitted to nature. and i believe all things are. nature doesnt give a fuck. but i do, sometimes anyway. and so not all things will be permitted by me. same for all other people i think. we don't need some objective moral standard. we follow our own compass, and take responsibility for whatever we choose to defend or promote. i dont think rape is immoral in an objective sense. but i wont let anyone rape my sister. id let someone rape turek tho. its only nature. i dont like him
HippiDippiWeatherMan 6 days ago
Hes to clever for his own good, of course the creationlism crowd doesnt make a strong argument. How can anyone be a atheist and not at least a agnostic? The universe is stranger then we suppose, stranger then Hitchens or anyone else can suppose. Being clever is fine, no matter what the arugment though arrogance is the wrong step. The smartest man in the world is a fool if he doesntt realize he can learn something from everyone else, use that cleverness to know how to pick and choose
guitargold77 1 week ago
@guitargold77 then you misapprehend the atheist position. the reason why he doesnt call himself an agnostic is because the agnostic is too timid. being completely neutral. the atheist cannot know that there is no god... but is about 99.9% sure. I cant prove there are no unicorns.. there might be.. probably arent any tho. i am an atheist the same way i am an a-unicornist. its not 50-50.
HippiDippiWeatherMan 6 days ago
Turek says that the biggest problem with Christianity is christians . Then the question is : what made thos people christians if not christianity ?
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "Turek says that the biggest problem with Christianity is christians . Then the question is : what made thos people christians if not christianity ?"
What a meaningless & nonsensical question... this from someone who has poor command of English.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
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Ask the following question from A muslim.The question: Assume a religion is made which says : Muslims are worse than animals , bastards ,and must pay jiziyah ( 50% extra tax ) , must be subdued and killed and their wives raped . Ask them then: Is such a religion evil and must be eradicated or not ?
None of them ( Muslims)will answer this question and run like rats to hide in their holes. Why ? cuz :
The above is quranic teachings. I just changed the word non-muslim to muslim. Try it
rzadan 1 week ago
Turek needs to get laid
bmmartin321 1 week ago
20 people were afraid that their slave owner (god) would be mad at them for not disliking this..
hehefromhere 1 week ago
"What is the purpose of life?"
There is NO fucking "purpose". Purpose is a human construct. It is like saying what is the colour of nay. It's just arbitrary fucking meaning.
Nature doesn't care whether its a razor blade going through your heart or a thousand children being saved by Kobe Bryant. It is all just molecules and is all equal in that sense.
NO, this does not mean that all is permissable. We still have feelings and thoughts.
BUUUT.... Reality just doesnt give a shit!
Get over it.
Absiintheee 1 week ago
Meaning of life : Give life a meaning, its yours.
SynysterSte 1 week ago 2
@SynysterSte Yes! thank you! For stating something so easy nobody ever considers it.
publiusdg 1 week ago
i just experiences this inner demon a weak ago .
cnce145 1 week ago
every video i watch of this guy only remindsa us of the loss of this outspoken man to us who live .
i am not atheist , but i like his reparte ,
hope somewhere or when , there is a place where all could meet up.
chimemonster 1 week ago
why do people think life has a purpose?
redreaper2020 1 week ago
In Turek´s mind : " LALALALALALALA"
AtheistPharaoh 2 weeks ago
Purpose of life: To LIVE!
Jayjon81 2 weeks ago
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NE1081 2 weeks ago
The purpose of life. I'd like to ask Turek that question too. Seriously people always ask atheists what the purpose of life is. Why not ask a religious person that too? Is really the purpose of life to be nice in fear of hell, or nice in hope of heavenly reward? If there is a purpose it would seriously be sad if that is how things are. I really love my friends, and my family, and life is sometimes hard. But i'm so glad i've lived it thus far, focusing on the here and now, and not the hereafter.
Faerlon123 2 weeks ago 2
@Faerlon123 What an excellent comment
whosaidpie 1 week ago
Turek is a very angry man, isn't he?
BuBBaGump014 2 weeks ago
Life has no purpose.
Deal with it.
gillianorley 2 weeks ago 2
@gillianorley Life's purpose is whatever you make it.
ccsmiley2 2 weeks ago
@ccsmiley2 Same thing.
No purpose. What you THINK the purpose is.
Makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
Sorry if I'm being a downer. But I prefer to think of it as being a realist.
gillianorley 2 weeks ago
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MrOceanPenguin 2 weeks ago
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@gillianorley I would argue that there's a purpose of reproduction and keeping oneself alive. An evolutionary purpose, I suppose. What happens in the meantime appears pretty purposeless but of course we can make it seem purposeful, depending on the way we choose to live our lives.
This evolutionary purpose doesn't apply to everyone, of course, because there are exceptions in people who are unable to reproduce and unwilling to stay alive.
MrOceanPenguin 2 weeks ago
PWNED.
Dodger718 2 weeks ago
I thought Turek was Native American...
torontoBluejays87 3 weeks ago
When you watch Hitchens, you have to *think* about what he is saying. Not that it is unplain, but he doesn't always deliver a sound bite. That is a good or a bad thing depending on your abilities.
dewpoint88 3 weeks ago
I mean hr is just an incredeable person... even in death
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awhitesoul2012 3 weeks ago
Too bad the entire debate isn't condensed to the only points that matter (i.e. when Turek isn't speaking).
mymentor 1 month ago
"Gloating over the misfortunes of other people" That makes ME happy to!!!
smithcas86 1 month ago
The universe does not owe you a purpose. You have to give that to yourself. You can, as Hitchins, simply take pleasure in the good things in life. Or you can dedicate yourself to others. Or find some other useful thing to do with yourself. Its up to you.
CyeOutsider 1 month ago
Turek admits it ! , the problem with Christianity is Christians . But on a much higher note ..Why dose every one need to worship Idols . Learning stops when worship beguins . Idols are not rational .May it be Christ?, or any other god , or gods . Or rock stars or , movie stars,sports stars , ect. Can't we just stand on our own , with out delusional crutches ?
gofindyourmusic 1 month ago
He brings up the Trial of Socrates :) Brilliant
webnovice2012 1 month ago 2
Quite amusing to watch that fellow sitting next to Hitchens getting completely destroyed. He is so out of his depth, it is almost embarrassing to behold...
TheFocomo 1 month ago 51
Turek hasn't taken a shit in years.
ChollieD 1 month ago in playlist Atheism: The Best of...Christopher Hitchens 43
Frank Turek is actually brain-dead
Freethinker12341 1 month ago 3
But non, christian or not have ended poverty.
TheDano1947 2 months ago
I see a comment troll!
Avensadora 2 months ago
Schadenfreude! I LOVE IT!
dogloverNV 2 months ago
Well, for the first time ever Christopher Hitchens is not speculative about the existence of God, one way or another, he now knows with definite certainty.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23
How could he know? His brain has stopped working!
SSaetervik 2 months ago
@SSaetervik That's the point, either he has slipped into nothingness and his existence was but a cosmic accident void of meaning or he has met his maker and whatever becomes of that meeting has transpired, either way there is absolution. Either he argued in vain for atheism because now he does not exist so what difference did it make how the time was filled, or he argued in vain for atheism because God does exist and so his argument was incorrect.
Either way, it was a waste of breath.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23
Life lived is not lived in vain. God is not the only potential giver of meaning in the Universe.
And what do you mean "That's the point" ? Hitchens hasn't "gone" anywhere, he just died - which was my point, his existence is over. What makes you think some god "summoned" him? When someone's brain shuts down, it's all over - and there's no evidence to the contrary.
SSaetervik 2 months ago
@SSaetervik First of all you've constructed a strawman argument, no one mentioned any "summoning".But it is intellectually indefensible to say a life of chance is worth living since chance itself has no purpose, only circumstance to thank for ever coming to pass. If you are but material matter, formed without design from a primordial ooze that transpired by mere chemical happenstance then your life is nothing but a glorified mesh of the periodic table, yuor thoughts chemical reaction and no more
Speegs23 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens...you are paying dearly for that comment you made about Jesus and all the other blasphemy you spewed out of your mouth. Too bad for you Hitchens. Funny how some many people think this man was an intellect...intellect my ass!
Stormeyworld 2 months ago
@Stormeyworld There's that Christian love again. SHAME ON YOU!
dogloverNV 2 months ago
@dogloverNV Shame on me? Nah not really. On the other hand, you have a LOT to be shameful for. So start taking out your list of all the stupidity you've done in your life. I bet it's a very loooonnnnggg list so you might as well start buying the 12,485 ink catridges that's you'll need to print out all the shameful stuff you've done and keep making each and every day. Bye bye now!
Stormeyworld 2 months ago
@Stormeyworld Did God contact you on Facebook and told you what happened to Chris after death?Wow,I'm impressed.
laiosto 1 month ago
Hitchens has helped me convert to Christianity.I disagree that with his view that vicarious redemption is terrible.As a newly converted Christian,I can see an up side to it.Jesus died for my sins so I can do whatever the fuck I want.Thanks Jesus.
henryporter101 2 months ago
Turek is such a fucking prick. Hitchens makes well thought out, rational arguments and Turek is just a snarky, sarcastic asshole.
3gmatt1 2 months ago
1) It's called the Social Contract!
2) Make your own!
bgiv2010 2 months ago
Did he say particle?
BER2ERKER 2 months ago
Schooled again Christian noob.
HighCardWins 3 months ago
"and has to come again because he didn't get it right the first time!" holy shit i love christopher hitchens
makshobelosa 3 months ago
Out of curiosity, I'd love to see Mr Hitchens' empirical proof of this internal daemon. For arguments' sake let's say there's no God or any essence of the divine. Good. Fine. Let's move on now.
Where is this daemon found? What are the mathematical formulae for it? Have we discovered the daemon particle? Can we prove it exists? I guess we can't prove it doesn't exist, but then isn't it a fallacy to try and prove a negative?
objectivechristian 3 months ago
@objectivechristian It could be found in our neurological pathways. Neuroscience is fairly new, there is much we don't know about the mind. I see no reason to believe it is impossible to discover though.
riahmatic 3 months ago
@riahmatic It's a profound act of faith, perhapsm ore so than any theist/ deist, to lay claim that out of nothing arose a complicated molecular structure that somehow fastened itself beyond chemical into biology and somehow then attached itself to universal ethics, if this is true then ethics are but artifices, not transcendental. Ultimately if Hitchens is right, it is ironically futile to argue about anything because existence is but happenstance and not purposeful, nihilisim wins, all is vain.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 Universal, no. Without conscious creatures, ethics wouldn't exists in the universe. But yes, "ethics" can develop biologically. Is it a wonder pirana don't tear each other apart without external guidance? Species tend to form stable societies, a testament to the fact that they are still around. All may ultimately be in vain, but everyday experience is much more real to us. This too may be instinctual. (also notice how these claims are falsifiable, no faith needed.)
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic The periodic table is all that man is, the periodic table has no ability to function in the formation of ethics or culture or love or hate, if all we are is survivalists then oxytocin and adrenaline would be the lone chemical functions with any feasible "evolutionary" rationale, and since our emotions, even those founded on reactions to those chemical surges, are more nuanced and profound, it doesn't add up that every thing you do is merely material, if so arguing is a moot point.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 "The periodic table is all that man is, the periodic table has no ability to function in the formation of ethics or culture or love or hate..." Says who? Lack of knowledge on a subject doesn't make it impossible, it just means you have no idea how it would work. The rest of your post continues to build this man out of straw.
Science gives us knowledge that makes a real difference in the world. Evolutionary biology makes a real difference, as will neuroscience.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic Conjecture, exactly though "says who" what authority does an accidental organism that is but a bunch of firing particle matters have to make a truth claim? You are but a chance being occupying space and time with no conclusion except that you will perish, the course of your life not lived with any validity beyond simply passing through this vortex of chance, nothing more. Such is the only logical and consistent conclusion of true Darwianism, otherwise you betray it's purity
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 First, our origin has no bearing on our fate. Engineered or "accidental", entropy may ultimately consume the universe. Second: "When you are studying any matter, or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only: what are the facts, and what is the truth that the facts bear out. Never let yourself be diverted, either by what you wish to believe, or what you think could have beneficent social effects if it were believed; but look only and solely at what are the facts." - Bertrand Russell
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic No mate, that's illogical, a universe that is for merely the sake of accidental being is not purposeful, it has no laws to govern it if it is but chance that laws even came to pass, it is simply irrational to think i can give subjective meaning to an existence for then i am without any room to question anyone else's subjective truth claims as i have no authority greater than theirs, we are all but firing neurons and chemical reactions, thought itself an artifice and not transcendental
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm not arguing for objective morals/values, I'm saying that even if we were created, it doesn't follow that our existence is any less futile. You hold on to these myths because it helps you sleep better at night, but reality owes you no happy ending.
Purpose and meaning are inventions of the mind. So long as we are here, they are real and have power.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic If you exist by happenstance with no certainty other than death and a trillion manners by which that outcome will come to pass then you are nothing but an occupier of time and space, a passing parasite who has to invent a meaning to an otherwise meaningless and doomed existence
All actions are in vain for all will end in death, no one escapes it, you may prolong your existence but what good is existence for existence sake. That is the dilemma of this rudderless worldview, nothingness
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 It's not a dilemma -- it's reality as we know it to be. As for why we don't sulk in a corner at this reality, this video probably explains it better than I can: /watch?v=ptwEV0xhTzI
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic I'm not asking anyone to sulk, just not to pretend anything they do or discuss has any value. It doesn't, we are meaningless beings.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 We don't pretend, rather it is instinctual to give meaning and value to what we do. One must actively turn to existential nihilism, having placed value in it.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic It a circular argument as instinct goes back to merely being the product of chance and chemical reactions, not true meaning if they are the happenstance of matter coming together at random accident. Nihilism is the only intellectually honest end to an accidental cosmic existence, even though the very thoughts that entertain nihilism are but random neurons firing and not of any true meaning, irony.
Back to my valid point, if this is so, then all is vanity, even discussing ourselves.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 A nihilist is free to give meaning and purpose to what they do. They simply believe there is no justification for it, no "true meaning". From your comment about pretending, it also seems as though you are trying to cross the is-ought gap.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic That in and of itself is artificial meaning, in actuality any assigned meaning is artificial if all we are is cosmic chance accidents destined to perish.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 Sure, meaning is man-made.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic Very well, then the pursuit of anything is vanity, nihilism wins presuming this worldview is accurate.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 A pursuit is worthwhile to a man who deems them meaningful. Again, the meaning need not be justified objectively. We will have to disagree here.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic There is no meaning, only time filler if there is no absolute truth. Your existence is pointless, so to deem your daily pursuits as somehow meaningful is nonsensical. The only consistent position for an accidental existence is to admit nothing matters.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 "The only consistent position for an accidental existence is to admit nothing matters" _objectively_. A nihilist must only reject objective meaning. Subjective meaning is NOT precluded by nihilism. Naturalism also does not preclude subjective meaning. For that you need to reject physicalism of the mind, which is not what most naturalists do, but you seem to do.
riahmatic 2 months ago
@riahmatic This is semantic nonsense, if you are an accident then you have no purpose, period.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 According to the ancient Sumerian text, we humans, were created as a slave race to dig for gold because the Annunaki needed it to seed their atmosphere.
TheDano1947 2 months ago
@TheDano1947 Well, best buy your copy of dianetics and work your way up the Scientology food chain, however from a darwinian viewpoint that vain exercise would be no less or more valid then any other time filling pursuit a doomed and accidental existence is going to purposelessly meet.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 I have no idea as to what you are referring and therefore cannot address it at all. How about a RE: and I might be able too answer it with some degree of clarity.
TheDano1947 2 months ago
@TheDano1947 Forgivem e, i think there's been some misccommunication of context, I'm simply postulating that nihilism is the only logical end to an accidental existence, which is the basis of all the presuppositions behind the hitchens' worldview. If man is accidentally here then it is insane to suggest he has a purpose, just an existence, one that will end in death so it is artificial to give purposeless man's accidental birth a reason to be here, yet Chris keeps citing ethics, but all in vain
Speegs23 2 months ago
@Speegs23 No one has to accept Nihilism as their life philosophy. You misrepresent the position of an accidental existence by stating it's insane to suggest the a being does not have purpose solely on it's accidental origin. Purpose can be found after creation, in so much in fact nothing has purpose until it's found. Chris is rebutting a question about morals without god and simply cites how good is a part of "most" our internal subconscious.
Digg175 2 months ago
@Digg175 No one has to accept it...unless they want to remain intellectually consistent. An accidental universe void of design cannot have retroactive purpose, how can a purposeless being suddenly assign authority to an artifice such as purpose if all it is in the end is subjective then arguing about anything is an act of vanity, to dust you will return, how you toiled was of no consequence. nihilism is the only logical end to an accidental existence, it is illogical to suggest otherwise.
Speegs23 2 months ago
@objectivechristian you need proof of this internal daemon... (its the voice in your head, the one you use when u are NOT reading out loud.. when you make decisions, like what to eat for breakfast)
jonjon2034 3 months ago
why do people answer questiions by quoting other people (humans)?...Hitchens dances around the question... where does morality come from? if i decide to kill someone today who did i sin against? will i be punished by a highter law? if not, where is the justice? as humans we cry out for justice...especially the vulnerable...
razorpayne13 3 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Since when I am in a position of justifying anything? I told you already, it does not fly with me. I am trying to tell you that observation of reality reinforced my faith in the Lord, arbitrary or not is irrelevant, the truth is truth. I can call ideas whatever I want, I guess, but you cannot call God an idea since you have no idea what you are talking about.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst OK, correction: your use of logic. Sounds better? Read my post on circular thing again. Do not want to repeat myself.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Why should I go with your definition of faith if you do not have it and know nothing of it?
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst You may not say it, but you mean it. I am not an idiot, I understand.
"It begins with the justification and ends with the answer." This is the wishful thinking. Flash light: I do not argue, I share if you care and, as I stated before, my faith IS NOT the result of mathematical or amy other thinking. It is based on experience, which you do not have, have never had and will never have unless you turn to God with your heart. Mind only will never do the work. It's very limited.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Do not be rude. Off course you do not have anything to say that "God is real", it does not come naturally, it requires initial faith and the will power. Without it, you will stay in this prison of reason with nothing.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst If you are an honest person and have some brain, you will see that atheism works in absolutely the same way. Scientific method works the same way. Theory - research - proof - fact. Yes, I do agree that I believed fist because without faith it's impossible to reach God, then I have had assurance of His existence for over 20 years, which in then strengthened my faith dramatically. If you call it logically wrong, than there is something wrong with your logic.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
Respond to this video... " "I believe in God because he is real" that's a circular argument which is called a logical fallacy. "
You sounded so smart at first. What you called a circular argument is actually called cause and effect, circular argument would be "I believe because I believe" or "I do not believe because I do not believe".
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
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Respond to this video... And do not lie: you do not believe in God. For a person, who you claim to be, spending that much time on fighting religion simply does not make any sense. I do not believe in Allah and gazillion of other things, so I do not spend any time on similar forums, I do not care much about it. You have a pathological "love" in reverse to Christianity, that's why you are here at the first place. My pretense here is different. I believe, so I care.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@Anatoliyjax2 I meant "you do not want to believe"
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
Respond to this video... Besides, all I hear from you is "God is not real" and then you do the same: you justify your unbelief with mental gymnastics. We both do the same thing: we use our worldviews as points of reference. I believe in Christ you do not, we deal with beliefs, the only difference between us is: I know God and you do not (unfortunately), and the absence of knowledge and experience is not an argument against the opposite.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
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@TennisAnnalyst Suit yourself. There is no fallacies in believing in some one or something because of assurance of reality of the object of belief. I have no clue why you assume that I just decided that God is real. Too much of atheist propaganda? You say: "you decided arbitrarily that God was real and then try to justify your position." I know you would expect that, but, hello, where have you seen this? I do not justify neither God nor myself, there is no need for it.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst besides, I did not say faith is infinite, it's actually very limited, but faith of a small seed is enough to let infinite God into one's heart.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst You do not know God, that's the problem. And you still preach about the lack of knowledge speaking about Him. You do not have faith - that's why it's nothing to you. I am not on the same page. And there is no way in the world that God, me or anyone can impose this faith against your will, and none of us will even try.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Why are you so emotional and so sure in what you claim to have no complete knowledge? I did not say logic is bad. I said faith is superior to logic and only in context of faith in God logic is not self-referential as yours. I do not believe in God because it is logical to me. I believe in God because He is real and then I use logic and reason. I am telling this third time and you still do not want to get it.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst It's not me it's you who pick specific parts out of order and context. You maybe good in tennis, but you theology is worse than bad.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst No you cannot, otherwise you would not call one invaluable. You just do not get it. Uh...
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst You start with "He is not real" and work from that and still claim that faith is not the answer. Dear... sir or whoever you are, there is much more to life than logic, language or knowledge, way much more that can only be reached by faith. Faith is superior to knowledge since knowledge is finite and thus cannot reach infinite. I do not bet on any idea of God, God is not an idea and I believe in Him not because I say so, but because He is real.... get it, please, at least once.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst How poetic... but again, blah, blah, blah. I'm tired, save me from wasting my time.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Ah, you try it all backwards, well since the book you try to improve is way older than you, improvement would not be a good word, try to improve history and see what happens. You treat the Bible as if it is a college textbook that fall from the sky yesterday. There is something very important that your logic constantly misses. You assume too many things about the reasons people believe in biblical God except the main one: He is real, and the best part: I do not have to prove it.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst That is interpretation. And the very wrong one. If you cannot distinguish between two testaments, if you do not see difference between advocating and the cultural context... why I even bother? Take hermeneutics or something.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst In order to say religion is wrong, you have to do at least three things:
1) specify which one in order to omit fallacy of generalization
2) define what you mean by religion, it has multiple meaning, some of which I do not relate to either
3) know everything mentally and experientially about what you claim is wrong
and if after all you are still in your shoes, then make a claim. Otherwise to argue it is like to shoot in the sky blind-folded trying to kill a small bird.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst You are right in that opening books helps sometimes and since the discussion is on religion, to consult books written by atheists is as equally smart as is taking a course on color theory from a blind professor. That's where books are useless as well. However, you are greatly wrong assuming that I intent to insult you or I am interested in critiquing you. I see no point in either. You are no more open minded to criticism as you are open to God Himself.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst I see you figured it all out, your omniscience! But all I hear is a bunch of useless words. Blah, blah, blah... Enjoy yourself.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst "we are considered responsible for being the descendant of a wrongdoer." True, some Christian believe that, I do not. You have to understand theology and different kinds of it in order not be brainwashed by people that know not much more than you do. We are responsible for our own sins, that's as clear in the Bible as day, being descendents of the first sinners only conditions us to sin, it does not make us sinners responsible for what we never did.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst Misrepresenting is presenting in a wrong way, not inventing, and your response in no better.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
Re Turek's question: Hitchens : One just knows...we just do. Obviously doesn't answer the question. Is Hitchens intentionally 'taking a dive' here?
And, humor aside, does he really have no plausible 'purpose of life' conjecture?
ProNorden 4 months ago
More and more I'm finding Hitchens dodges the question, simply dances around. His answer to the first question is "the notion of God is absurd" which neither answers the question about morality or meaning of life
o0WithAllYourMind0o 4 months ago
@o0WithAllYourMind0o What makes you think there is any morality of meaning of life, except that which we make for ourselves?
RakshasaCat 4 months ago
@RakshasaCat Simple. Do you believe that some people should be stopped from doing what they want, regardless of whether they believe its wrong or right? For example, stopping a murderer? If yes, then you are holding that person to a higher morality than the one he/she made for themselves. If you truly advocate autonomy then you should set the prisoners free, they should be able to do what they want, establish their own morality. If you want more answers, subscribe :-) more videos coming
o0WithAllYourMind0o 4 months ago
@o0WithAllYourMind0o You have great videos, short & sweet. I use them as lead ins to the playlist on my channel. Thx
Galmozzi99 3 months ago
I do not believe in Hitchens' version of God either. He is misrepresenting both God and Christianity. It's called poisoning well. I agree that Christians should not pay any attention to guys like him adding to his credibility.
Anatoliyjax2 4 months ago
There are other religions besides Christianity.
humanist7117 4 months ago
Humans role on the planet, as defined by nature, is to be custodians and/or resource managers. To kill another human would be the same as seeing a cow kill another cow, or sheep kill another sheep. it is not part of their role and it would show a disturbing insanity if an animal did this. animals have the humility to accept their role with equanimity.
Watching these overeducated snobs is like watching medieval psychopaths argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
sidvidkid 4 months ago
look at the asses in the crowd intent on looking nonchalant/pissed at the same time
jsamari 4 months ago
Hitch-slap at 5:33.
samusssbm85 4 months ago 8
@samusssbm85 Hahahahhahahahahahahaahahhahahahahaha. Epic win!
RockAustinDXtakerRk0 4 months ago
Man, Hitchens is just laying waste to this Mook!
Traceoffate 4 months ago
The question at 4:25 is misunderstood. They as asking that if Christianity is the absolute truth, then why is it that people outside of that religion can have the same or greater impact, the same or better experiences and the same or better spirituality? Basically the question posed suggests that you can do all the same 'good' things without Christianity & I would say without religion at all. So it's not religion that makes something good or true, but just the absolute of good or true itself.
allfitch84 4 months ago
hitchens sarcasm ftw :))
SanguineBullet667 5 months ago
cant call myself sociopathic or psychopathic anymore... thx hitchens...
I had thoughts... and i gave the damn thing to the police
2Draco39 5 months ago
Turek got Hitch-slapped
jackossie 5 months ago
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jackossie 5 months ago
I like how he can still get an audience of Christians to applaud him.
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
i can do it faster, it makes no sense for a herd animal to kill off his own group!
doombow666 5 months ago
How sad to think that all morals are based on a fear of God. How about a love of our species? A love of humanity.
mlcollins10 5 months ago
Enter: Adam Deen Purpose of life for the best lecture on this.
WARNING MAY CAUSE DEPRESSION IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST!
kupekake 5 months ago
Most theists that debate Hitchens don't even understand his diction, putting them to shame before they can even muster a response
bigtome2120 5 months ago
This man who is asking the questions is an idiot.
ValiumandDolls 6 months ago
"Dr:" Turek, the angry, angry little christian
Rader55 6 months ago
"Let your conscience be your guide." Jiminy Cricket
Jbear9 6 months ago
"Sex can have diminishing returns." LOL
I think Hitch was basically saying that the purpose of life is to enjoy it. For him, he enjoys gloating over others misfortune (or so he says). Someone else enjoys time with their family or creating art or doing charity work. The purpose of life is to LIVE. Your time on Earth isn't a dress rehearsal.
Scriptease123 6 months ago 2
@Scriptease123 when he say's he gloats over the misfortunes of others im pretty sure he is making fun of religion.. as you gloat over others going to hell.. while you the non sinner goes to heaven...
jonjon2034 3 months ago
I really dislike Turek, his entire demeanour just frustrates me no end.
CallMeMrX 6 months ago
I'm a atheist and found a brown paper bag with $700 in cash in it the other day and I turned it in to the police and the owner could not be happier. Where did that come from?
zamardii12 6 months ago
If that's the best you can do... Oh man these guys would would commit suicide if they listened to any son on stunpals( dotcom ) except for Hitchens. He's heard a lot of shit.
kansaimagic 6 months ago
Hey go over there and stand by all those cactus. I got a poisonous newt and venomous rattle snake made by god, just for you. Hold these I'll be rightttttt back.
Ok, back
I got you a vile full of AIDS, a human hermaphrodite. Also brought some aborted fetuses due to stupid design. Jee-golly this is great, thanks god! Can't you see the beauty now? #Atheist
lightitupfool 6 months ago
HAHAHA!! WoW!!! Turek is a fucking unlettered cunt.
Ekenedil 6 months ago
Athiesm - So utterly convincing, so mind-blowingly brilliant only 5% of the global population belive in it !
Source:wikipedia
MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
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@MrMaxTruth predominantly because the majority of the planet are uneducated... the more educated people become the more they throw off the shackles of religion
alsdaftable 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth "so mind-blowingly brilliant" ...? You make it sound as if atheism is a religion in and of its own with a set of ideals and beliefs and whatnot. Atheism is simply not being a theist. Look a little more closely at the word.
AWilberforce 6 months ago
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MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
@AWilberforce Athiesm has "one" belief, which it "absolutely" insists on, the rejection of the belief in a diety !
Hold on , "belief" and "absolutley" sound like relegious words to me!
MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth Come on man. That's like calling NOT collecting stamps a hobby.
AWilberforce 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth Atheism is not a belief. God is an idea and atheism is the lack of that idea.
TheArchon47 6 months ago
@TheArchon47 So you don't belive in athiesm then?
MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth Nope. I simply do not believe in theism. Asexuality is not a sexuality. Apathy is not a feeling. Atheism is not a religion.
TheArchon47 6 months ago
@TheArchon47 May i ask , do you belive in Love? Do you belive sometimes it is worth dieing for it?
MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth I do believe in love, though defining it is much harder. Second question... dying to protect loved ones, yes, absolutely worth it. And also soldiers who died fighting Nazism, etc., I think that was love and I don't think it was a sacrifice in vain at all.
TheArchon47 6 months ago
@TheArchon47 Here is the paradox. On the one hand athiests reject God based on the the lack of scientific evidence and on the other many of those same athiests belive in love.Considering that not one hair of evidence has ever been provided to proove the existence of "love", i find it strange that so many athiests not only belive in it but are willing to lay down their lives for somthing that has never been prooven to exist. (Apologies if your not an athiest i'm talking genrally here.)
MrMaxTruth 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth We don't "believe" in love, such as we know how others "love." We experience a feeling for others, such as mates and children, and call it love. Anyone would die for their child, even atheists. God is the only one who would SEND HIS CHILD TO BE KILLED.
No comparison.
Jbear9 6 months ago
@MrMaxTruth I am an atheist, but I take your point. Emotions aren't "unkno