@evangrogers As a personal trainer by trade, I never advocate the paleo/primal diets. It's not bad necessarily, and it has its benefits but it really isn't that efficient.
I realized I am biased in saying this, and I am still relatively young (26) so it is not as if I have a lot of experience to compare whats happening now too, but I really feel as if the message of freedom is really starting to catch on.
And when that day comes, under every rock you will find hiding usurers, advocates of usury, phony "economists", all the seekers of unearned profit who knew not even how to limit their great crime against us."
Last year, more Americans died from dog bites and lightning strikes than terrorism. You are also generally more likely to get killed by bathtubs, vending machines, and diarrhea than by terrorism.
Tom Woods needs to carry a shotgun up there on stage and tell the people that we are now at the point where he needs to provide for his own security 24/7 because of his ideas to free the tax slaves in the U.S. :-)
I have a question, if increased capital means increase wages because the laborer is in command of a bigger amount of resources, why does the Chinese pay so low wages to so many of it's workers? Not criticizing or anything like that just wondering.
@imtonasty China is still accummulating capital. They have only being doing so at a "western" pace since the 80's onwards. Whereas the U.S, England etc have been accummulating capital vigourously for far far longer. Also, unions, minimum wages, regulations etc in western countries don't help. Hope this helps.
@misesmedia No matter how logical an argument Tom makes, none of it is going to convince anyone. The only argument I would argue with is the definition of what capitalism actually is. Anything else is a waste of time.
Larry Kudlow today on the radio said the dollar was strong and inflation was low. He said he's expecting strong growth for 2012. Just thought I'd say. We shall see about that.
@TrippingTheTube If ever you want to have a good grasp on the current trend in the business cycle, keep track of M2, PPI and reserve requirements. As for right now, the dollar is getting a lot of aid from what is happening in Europe. In my opinion, we are heading into another manipulated boom, which makes sense considering there is an election in a little less than a year. However, there is much that can happen between then and now, such as the impending recession in China (it gonna be big).
It's funny - what he said about I, Pencil is basically a well known concept in software engineering - separation of concerns.
No person knows how a large piece of software works, but it still functions because the task is broken down into small chunks which are then handed out to the responsibility of various people, who make "contracts" with each-other through specifications of how the communication between the modules should work - meaning programmers don't have to know how each module works.
@spiralflow No they don't. A corporation exists to produce a product or render a service, the government exists to stick a gun in your face and tell you it's for everyone elses good. Let go of that liberal bogeyman, Libertarianism FTW
@spiralflow No argument there. But the solution to this problem is not more governmental power. Corporations have mush less incentive to manipulate a smaller government.
and there would not be such profits from war if governments were not the monopolistic powers of force over their regions. The ability for the STATE to coerce and rob individuals allows for the Military Industial Complex to thrive outside of a free market. Without being forced at the point of a gun to give your earnings and freedom to politicians who then bid out contracts for the wars THEY create, would you finance such corporations with your own money?
@spiralflow So, you basically proved that the only power that corporations have is their influence on the State. Without such State, what power do corporations hold?
False "theres always something else that we need done in an economy"
there is such a thing as brute force in the market. Its also known as a monopoly. also any drug dealer will teach you a simple technique, get people to need you with cheaper prices, and then increase them over time while maintaining their need, bait and hook.
And the straw man of the literal jungle comparitor is weak, the market has its own version brute strength, it just happens to be different than the jungle.
This idealized version of capitalism works just like an idealizing version of communism.
The price system does not work as simply bid and sells
Ask if the early factories were good stewards of their surroundings
Fact: there is no free market, and there can not be, there will always be rules for the market, and there is the tie between GOV and COrps, and eventually they merge, reality eliminates your idealized version from existing.
@d3adp001 Free-markets will exist. Anarcho-capitalism is the future for those who wish to live in a society where the initiation of violence is unacceptable. In a true free-market, there is no government, but that does not mean there is no rules. Private "law" and courts will exist in a free-market for sure. Corporations are creations of the State. They will not exist in a free-market.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers Corporations are not creations of the state. You need to read Robert Hessen (In Defense of Corporations), Evan Osborne (Rise of the Anti-Corporate Movement) and Peter Klein on the nature of corporations and limited liability. They are PERFECTLY libertarian, and I really wish libertarians would stop parroting left-wing bullshit when they obviously don't even know what a corporation is and have about as little understanding of contract and law.
@truevoice08 I recommend looking at Robert Hessen's 'Corporations' entry in the Economic Encyclopedia online as well as Stephan Kinsella's various posts about it on the Mises blog and over at The Libertarian Standard.
A corporation is nothing more than a nexus of integrated contractual arrangements.
A rejection of limited liability is a similar meme, as though it makes any sense to hold a stock-holder responsible because a UPS driver crashes into a school bus.
@needtoalwayslearn The point of the Constitution was to keep government restricted and small. An-caps believe that those restrictions cannot work and have not worked. The point of anarcho-capitalism is to embrace the non-aggression principle. Initiation of force or violence is immoral, and government violates that principle. Taxation is theft. An-caps believe that any "public service" needs to be funded voluntarily. Check out Stefan Molyneux or "Stefbot" on youtube for more.
@fleskebille the drug dealer might have this monopoly because government laws create the environment in which such forms of monopoly can develop; i.e. force is involved that creates the impetus for monopoly. A drug 'hooking' people?... there are allot of 'prescription' drugs that 'hook' people in a completely legal manner. A drug is a drug because of its effects on the human mind/brain that a person voluntarily choose to consume. There is a government monopoly in the use of force.
@EvilResult pretty sure the monopoly statement was unrelated to the drug dealer.
I don't disagree with you at all on the drug issue. I don't care how bad a drug is, it shouldn't be illegal to use and distribute. Other people should not be threatened with punishment just because some people get addicted. Heroin junkies, for example, have typically experienced repeated molestation, and heroin just relieves them of pain. Assholes in uniform molesting them again just isn't helpful.
Ideas about freedom:How much freedom is needed?Is it possible to eliminate the use of force in all the insidious ways it manifests among the interactions of life.Are the responsiblities freedom creates always positive.When someone fails is it freedom to starve,to be cheated,robbed,marginalized as not worthy,have the correct pedegree.Can Austrian economics become totalitarian as the examples of socialism and as capitalism is able to buy gov and impose communism on competitor nations peoples?
He mentions our unique game of football "Australian Rules Football" or as he said Aussie Rules. I would never expect to hear that from the mouths of these intelligent ppl
I like his work or economics, but I hope he chucks that primal diet before he gains 30 or more pounds and gets heart disease like a lot of the paleo folks. He's right that the food pyramid is bunk, but it shouldn't be flipped - it should be chucked out.
@swordsman1600 I agree, but it's his choice. Personally, I think my diet is the best - I just eat whatever I feel hungry for each night. I seem to be doing well - more than well, actually, at around 135 pounds for a 5'11" male. I'm like abnormally skinny.
@batmanthe Bah. My bad. I eat three meals and I eat whatever I feel like. It doesn't seem to cause me to gain weight. I think it's because I eat snacks in between (candy, chips, cheese sticks, sandwiches, whatever), so I don't gorge (well, compared to what I could be eating - I have a high metabolism anyway) at any meal. My point was that if anyone tells you that X diet is necessary, they are probably wrong. And if the government tells you - they are almost guaranteed to be lying to you.
This was a brilliant presentation. The socialist argument totally debunked.. Freedom unites people, the free market unhampered brings the most successful increase in living standards than any other system available. In fact most socialist regimes and economic systems have failed, example the Soviet Union. When government or an institution does not allow prices to determine economic activity, and inflates the money it is doomed to fail and collapse. The Austrian School of economics is correct!!
@jaimepanama What socialist system? What free market? The market is a tyranny by and for the rich. Socialism has never been tried on a large scale and neither has capitalism. That you don't know these simple things can only mean that you're mind is too weak to fight off propaganda.
@synestheticmonotony "Socialism cannot calculate rationally, it will always fail no matter what scale it is tried." The collectives in Argentina and Spain work fine...don't know what to tell you. I don't think it can be scaled up much beyond that level, but it's a good thing to keep corporations honest and competitive. We should have multiple power structure competing, not just capitalism or crony-capitalism. Everybody should get to have a REAL choice between them.
@tstruss912 They both have mixed economies,so I don't get your point.The fact is that absent private property and voluntary exchange, there simply is no way to determine value or opportunity cost.When you're talking about millions of possible ways to produce things,it is very important to know whether one action is value-adding or wasteful, without exchange it is simply impossible to determine this.Further,it is impossible to do these things in-line with consumer wants without feedback (prices)
@synestheticmonotony You view things in a very unrealistic black and white way. These belief systems are made up of elements and never will there be a economy or society with one "pure" system. It has never happened and it never will. Spain and Argentina use REAL socialism and it does work. Do they use elements of capitalism and crony-capitalism too, of course. So you can't say socialism doesn't work but capitalism does without MAJOR bias. Both are untested in pure forms.
@tstruss912 Oh please...Spain and Argentina work (LOL). Both in theory and practice (at various degrees) we have seen how socialism fails economically and free market capitalism succeeds. Add to this how unethical socialism is and it is a no brainer. Oh and by the way, just because we will never eliminate murder doesn't mean we should not aim for 0% murder, if you get my drift...
@cabgt No, socialism works better in Argentina and Spain than capitalism, which failed them. You believe socialism to be immoral and are therefore against it to the degree that you compare it with murder--that's ridiculous, btw. You have no rational arguments against it and really nobody can since it works fine in certain contexts. The car companies, for example, could have been expropriated, and they should have been.
@tstruss912 Socialism in Argentina murdered THOUSANDS OF HUMAN BEINGS, the "desaparecidos", there is even a SONG made in honor of them. Don't listen to this scum tstruss912.
@tstruss912 You use vary broad terms, ie "capitalism" (coined by Marx). I mentioned in my post there are varying degrees. The extent to which we go towards socialism or free market capitalism will determine the degree to which society is better off or worse off. Of course socialism is unethical - how is anything but voluntary exchange ethical? Socialism and state capitalism uses force/violence and the threat there of, against it's people. Far from moral! The above arguments are rational.
@cabgt No, no, no. Socialism is against YOUR moral code. Right-wing thinking has been studied for decades now. You think that all help = enabling. That's demonstrably false. The Nordic model creates 3x the upward mobility and 1/2 the poverty of our model. So, it gives people born in a shitty neighborhood or in a shitty family A REAL chance, not requiring them to be super-strong-geniuses to make it. You call that immoral and I know why. Many of us disagree, though.
@tstruss912 a) I never mentioned my moral code. Morals are subjective. However, there are certain rights which are naturally inherent in us all. You obviously don't espouse to these natural rights and condone the use of violence against individuals. b) The U.S. model is a poor example of free market capitalism - it is fascism plane and simple. Standard of living has been falling since the 70's as the government meddles in the economy more and more.
@cabgt So who is a good example of market capitalism? Don't say America in the 1800's because since that was the largest boom of new technology the world will EVER see it doesn't really count, although, I am curious to see if you have anything to back up your upward mobility claim. Using the Heritage Index, Singapore and Hong Kong are the "best" countries (ranked by "freedom"). You agree or disagree with that index? Why or why not?
@tstruss912 I gave examples in a previous post, and yes, America in the 1800's is a good example as there were relatively few government interventions in the economy compared with today. Standards of living continued to increase, especially during the latter half of that century, often termed the Great Depression. Technology is constantly improving and would be far better if we weren't so heavily oppressed by governments. It is a tragedy that people are still poor in the U.S.
@tstruss912 The Index's may provide some insights, but can never be taken at face value whereby conclusions can be made. That would be poor academic stewardship.
@tstruss912 Thank the government for preventing people from getting a chance, i.e. minimum wage laws, union laws etc. c) Nordic countries are hardly a shining light of wealth and prosperity we should aspire to. Mobility and poverty are subject to lots of statistical gymnastics that I take with a pinch of salt. If you want to look for examples of what works, look to America's past where anyone could be a great success and most people moved through higher living standards with age/experience.
@cabgt Hmm...I agree with you on many things, but the following is utter rubbish: "America's past where anyone could be a great success and most people moved through higher living standards with age/experience."
Come on now...you know that's bullshit. The poor were even worse off than now; blacks, Chinese, and other minorities were oppressed; and upward mobility was shit. Go ahead and prove the last one false with real stats and I'll consider if I'm wrong--not until then.
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
@tstruss912 I'm not comparing socialism with murder. I was making the point that although we may not see 100% pure free markets in our time, it does not mean one should not strive for that just goal. Much in the same way that we should strive to eliminate/prevent murder, although we will probably never eradicate it from society. The more we move towards voluntary exchanges and less government violence, the better off we will be.
@cabgt Also quit calling it "free" market. Having the rich dominate your life with no rules is not freedom. Not to mention, those kind of markets have never existed, and they never will. Have fun living in your dreamworld. Adios.
@tstruss912 the rich are dominating your life with no rules is what is happening RIGHT NOW under the infinitely growing bureaucracy and rapidly eroding civil liberties
@tstruss912 the rich can not dominate your life if they are in need of your currency to stay that rich. however if they can have unlimited acces to currency created from nowhere then you have no say in how they treat you at all because your are indirectly being taxed via inflation for their ends even though you didn't support them by purchasing their services!
@KevinSheerin True. We need a more representative democracy. Voting/lobbying reform is the only way to get that, and that will only happen after years of strikes and protests. It will be a long fight...
@tstruss912 Yes+no we need more limited government/intervention from government into the market place and we need to embrace free market capitalism. The current strain of capitalism is croni capitalism govt subsidising the"big"players who are not allocating their resources well.In a true free market you don't bail people out because by bailing people out you are allowing people who are allocating very limited human resources poorly to continue doing so and we as a society get poorer
@RuddODragonFear Name one major change that didn't come from protesting and strikes. I'm sure you can think of some, but they're in the minority. Most major social change comes from "crazy rituals", I suppose.
@RuddODragonFear LOL what a pathetic troll you are. You're not even a good troll. Did your dad beat you? Were you raped in the ass? Your parent's divorce hurt you? What's wrong, little guy? You can tell me lol. One major change to social structures and institutions--do I have to spell it out. Medicine doesn't qualify. Btw, if you could read then you'd see that I said you can find a couple of examples, but I can find hundreds that came from protesting and striking.
Fuck your protesting shit. Fuck it in the ass. Advancement comes from PEACE and THOUGHT, NOT from people waving placards on the street like cows tattooed with slogans.
@RuddODragonFear The gov funded the development of computers, the internet, jet-engines, rockets, GPS, etc, etc. The fact that people make money off it afterwards and the profits are privatized is disgraceful. The fact that you don't know where those things came from, that's not surprising--you're a fucking retard. I talked about hard solutions; you have none. What's your solution again? Voting? Thinking? lol Go back onto the small bus where you belong, troll.
@tstruss912 you mean to say that people doing business as "government" stole money then decided to pay off scientists who worked on computers, the Internet, jet engines, rockets, GPS... AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THANKFUL FOR THAT?
No thanks. Keep your Stockholm Syndrome in your head, thankyouverymuch. Robbery followed by expenditures in things that you consider "good" today, does not excuse the robbery.
@RuddODragonFear Sooo...you want to live without a gov? Go to Somalia then. I hear it's quite nice. How would you feel about this gov if your vote actually counted? How would you feel if Ron Paul had a chance instead of being mocked on TV and being declared "unviable" and "a loser" before people even vote? I think you hate THIS gov, not all gov. Go live in Switzerland like I did and then come back and tell me how gov sucks. Their gov ROCKS. Ours SUCKS ASS.
@RuddODragonFear Do you want to ban guns too? As an NRA member I think that's hideous and immoral. I get to defend myself goddammit. Gov is a weapon and it's OUR fault that we let the elite steal it from us. Banning weapons and gov is nothing more than punishing the many for the actions of the few--it's immoral. I want that weapon, the gov, so I can get roads and shit built.
@RuddODragonFear Why do you think you have the right to outlaw gov due to the actions of a few? It works fine in many euro countries so why can't it work fine here. Yes, they need banking/housing reform too so that they don't have another bubble burst, but besides that gov has evolved into a decent thing and if you're SERIOUS about replacing it then get off your lazy fucking ass and setup alternative institutions! Until then, shut up.
@RuddODragonFear Yes troll, I think you want to outlaw gov through the use of force. Then private tyranny can rule unopposed and that's what you really want: order and tyranny. That makes you "libertarians" feel safe at night, knowing the "good people" are at the top and unchecked in their power. Anyway troll, this will be my last writing to you. It's a waste of time.
@tstruss912 Fortunately people make money out of it, otherwise the computers, the Internet, GPS et alia would ONLY be accessible to a few selected professors and researchers in major universities around the world. Gore didn't put internet access at my home, a private corporation did, because they profited from it, as I did too (as the internet is more valuable than the money I paid for that service).
And insulting a counterpart in an argument is childish and vulgar...
@rubenximenes "And insulting a counterpart in an argument is childish and vulgar..." He was trolling, but seems to have stopped....for now. When I said that privatizing profits is bullshit, I mean that the CEO getting 263 times what the lowest paid worker does is bullshit. EVERYBODY paid the gov to develop these technologies, and yet, all the money goes up to the top.That's not natural.It doesn't happen in any other industrialized country to that extent--it's based on coercion.
@rubenximenes BTW, how would you feel about gov if your vote actually counted? Would that be OK or do you want a world that follows your thinking in every way all the time?
@tstruss912 Changes made by the govenment to socieity come from the threat of force not from protesting or striking. The government says follow our over one million pages of federal code or we will steal from you and/or lock you into a cage where there is a much greater chance of you getting raped repeatedly. I don't think its civilized to threaten people with kidnaping and rape because you personally prefer people to pool money together for investment in rockets. I think it's barbaric.
@MrGreeneggsnham "Changes made by the govenment to socieity come from the threat of force not from protesting or striking." Ya, changes come from both. Civil rights, worker rights, women's rights, etc all came from protesting and striking. Now those rights are enforced by gov. Gov is a power structure and therefore can turn evil when run by sociopaths. That goes for ALL pyramidal power structures. The problem is that our voting system is rigged, so we're not represented.
@tstruss912 No, they passed a law and if you break it they lock you in a cage and/or fine you. Voting isn't a good way to decide anything. It amounts to argumentum ad populum. It's majority opinion enforced with the barrel of a gun.
Power corrupts and corrupt people are attracted to power.
@MrGreeneggsnham Wow, as an ACTUAL rebel I must say that I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The barrel of a gun? I'm fighting with the IRS right now for "owing" them money for three years, which I refuse to pay due to the wars. I used the advice in "Cracking the Code". They have yet to do anything other than send a letter. If you organize something like that book, then yes, you go to jail. Otherwise, all they do is talk. We just need voting reform, that's all.
@MrGreeneggsnham ALL forms of power can be evil. It matters how the power is spread out. We need competing systems, not one system. We should have church, classical capitalism, crony-capitalism, gov, socialism, collectives, etc, etc all competing and balancing each other out. You want power to be condensed in one spot. Ask yourself why the elite support your ideas, and why they hate mine. The answer is simple.
@tstruss912 Well in a free market/free society you can have all of the above competing groups if they're voluntary, i.e. no central power. Which is what Thomas Woods and myself encourage. If you want to start a collective on some land then people can join and if they don't like it they can leave etc. I think you may be more in favour of a free market society than you realise!!
@MrGreeneggsnham It's OUR fault that we let gov slip out of our hands! It's like letting a criminal take a gun from you. Gov is a weapon and I want to defend myself from evil people so I want the weapon sometimes. Get it? A new voting/lobbying system will give me the weapon so I'm fighting for that. Get it? I really don't understand what you're whining about...
@MrGreeneggsnham I couldn't agree more....especially about voting, an archaic mechanism that is constantly open to manipulation and lapped up by sheep.
@tstruss912 "Selective reasoning" is your problem. You imagine that your solution is the one VIAGRA that will give mankind all its solutions to erectile dysfunction. Then as you try to convince yourself that your bullshit works, you forget that TRUE BEAUTY is the generator of HONEST erections. Keep your rituals and "easy solutions" to yourself -- we, the people that are advancing the human race, have no need for them.
@tstruss912 Free market = voluntary exchanges between consenting agents. Anything outside of voluntary relations between people is not 100% free market/free society. Free markets is win-win. Socialism = more win-lose as more exchanges are forced. We have had free markets. In the middle ages Celtic Ireland, Champagne France and and many early U.S. colonies to mention a few. Hong Kong is also a modern economic marvel having gone from being very poor to very prosperous and very free market.
@tstruss912 How do the "rich" dominate your life in a relatively free market if exchanges are voluntary? How does this compare with the government dominating your life through involuntary exchanges in socialism? Seriously, do some more study of economics and history before trying to debate me. You're embarrassing yourself.
@cabgt no, argentinian socialism did NOT work, dude. In the seventies, socialists caused the murder of THOUSANDS of people. In the nineties, they caused a CATASTROPHIC HYPERINFLATION that wiped away all of the country's savings.
@dd00hli 100% truth. Ppl must stop eating processed food, i have no doubt it is 1 of the leading reasons we are seeing an explosion of cases of diabetes, asthma etc. Diet is number 1 on my list of trying to educate friends/family about what they eat. I've seen ppl who drink 24 cans of a common brand soft drink which has so much sugar etc in it that it should be made illegal as a very real danger to the health of the consumer. I'm all for banning advertising of junk food to children
@sadohenker The only people who listen to you are fellow Irgun Zionist terrorists. Crawl back into the hole in which you slithered out of and jack off to Hitler, Marx, Stalin, and Mao photos you statist pig.
Survival of the fittest???
You mean like Coke and Pepsi?
Thanks, but I don't have a few centuries to spare waiting to find out who wins.
jeffiek 5 days ago
I don't mean to be a jerk, but if the primal diet makes you have to drink water every 5 minutes...
... then it's probably bad...
evangrogers 5 days ago
@evangrogers As a personal trainer by trade, I never advocate the paleo/primal diets. It's not bad necessarily, and it has its benefits but it really isn't that efficient.
djb5255 5 days ago
Where can i find the list of books he was talking about at the beginning of the video?
PenguinJr1994 1 week ago
@PenguinJr1994 Mises Institute has hundreds of books available free online about economics, history, money, banking etc....
mises(.)org/Literature/Source/Books
celinamahek 1 week ago
How many twitter arguers receive the coup de grace in the form of an hour long pwnage speech in front of hundreds of people?
KagarBeardtooth 3 weeks ago 3
I'm 24 and i've been Libertarian since I was 13.
cooljj82 3 weeks ago 4
I realized I am biased in saying this, and I am still relatively young (26) so it is not as if I have a lot of experience to compare whats happening now too, but I really feel as if the message of freedom is really starting to catch on.
jerryvalez 3 weeks ago
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And when that day comes, under every rock you will find hiding usurers, advocates of usury, phony "economists", all the seekers of unearned profit who knew not even how to limit their great crime against us."
~Mike Montagne
chotaboy66 3 weeks ago
Haha bitch got OWNED.
kevin188888 4 weeks ago
rock on tom, the truth is getting out.
denisonM 1 month ago 2
FK NO PENCILS
RKAddict101 1 month ago
WOODS FTW!
kilomph1 1 month ago
im 17 and no shit i am bursting for knowledge regarding this stuff
1TheBusyBody94 1 month ago 2
Excellent as always. Tom Woods rules!
SirTenenbaum 1 month ago 22
Doug sounds so bored. Nothing like Tom at all.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
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Last year, more Americans died from dog bites and lightning strikes than terrorism. You are also generally more likely to get killed by bathtubs, vending machines, and diarrhea than by terrorism.
johnnycmajor 1 month ago
Tom Woods needs to carry a shotgun up there on stage and tell the people that we are now at the point where he needs to provide for his own security 24/7 because of his ideas to free the tax slaves in the U.S. :-)
LibertyJedi 1 month ago
Awesome as always
fagan411 1 month ago
I have a question, if increased capital means increase wages because the laborer is in command of a bigger amount of resources, why does the Chinese pay so low wages to so many of it's workers? Not criticizing or anything like that just wondering.
imtonasty 1 month ago
@imtonasty China is still accummulating capital. They have only being doing so at a "western" pace since the 80's onwards. Whereas the U.S, England etc have been accummulating capital vigourously for far far longer. Also, unions, minimum wages, regulations etc in western countries don't help. Hope this helps.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt yes thank you very much, i am very interested in learning this.
imtonasty 1 month ago
@imtonasty China's wages are only "low' from our perspective.
jontycampbell 6 days ago
Very nice speech
LouigiVerona 1 month ago
I was here, what a great speech!
Kaasperav 1 month ago
@misesmedia No matter how logical an argument Tom makes, none of it is going to convince anyone. The only argument I would argue with is the definition of what capitalism actually is. Anything else is a waste of time.
alique087 1 month ago
@alique087 Umm...The use of capital in voluntary exchange between people?
jontycampbell 6 days ago
Larry Kudlow today on the radio said the dollar was strong and inflation was low. He said he's expecting strong growth for 2012. Just thought I'd say. We shall see about that.
TrippingTheTube 1 month ago
@TrippingTheTube If ever you want to have a good grasp on the current trend in the business cycle, keep track of M2, PPI and reserve requirements. As for right now, the dollar is getting a lot of aid from what is happening in Europe. In my opinion, we are heading into another manipulated boom, which makes sense considering there is an election in a little less than a year. However, there is much that can happen between then and now, such as the impending recession in China (it gonna be big).
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
It's funny - what he said about I, Pencil is basically a well known concept in software engineering - separation of concerns.
No person knows how a large piece of software works, but it still functions because the task is broken down into small chunks which are then handed out to the responsibility of various people, who make "contracts" with each-other through specifications of how the communication between the modules should work - meaning programmers don't have to know how each module works.
sharperguy 1 month ago
fantastic :)
chris3443 1 month ago
9:00 to skip to the substantive part of the speech.
stalrunner 1 month ago
That was pure awesomeness
PoppinSean 1 month ago
Bravo Tom
mike8903 1 month ago
Been waiting for a Mises lecture for ages :)
NicosMind 1 month ago 2
Tom Woods makes economics cool.
crcaccounts 1 month ago 2
Intro music sounds like an upbeat version of Tool.
crcaccounts 1 month ago
Obama disliked this
fritoman182 1 month ago 20
He correctly stated that gov't manipulates people into war...but who manipulates gov'ts into war??? Corporations that profit from war.
spiralflow 1 month ago
@spiralflow No they don't. A corporation exists to produce a product or render a service, the government exists to stick a gun in your face and tell you it's for everyone elses good. Let go of that liberal bogeyman, Libertarianism FTW
Success0527 1 month ago
@spiralflow No argument there. But the solution to this problem is not more governmental power. Corporations have mush less incentive to manipulate a smaller government.
JakeNonphixion 1 month ago
@spiralflow Governments profit from war as well.
uk6strings 1 month ago
@spiralflow
and there would not be such profits from war if governments were not the monopolistic powers of force over their regions. The ability for the STATE to coerce and rob individuals allows for the Military Industial Complex to thrive outside of a free market. Without being forced at the point of a gun to give your earnings and freedom to politicians who then bid out contracts for the wars THEY create, would you finance such corporations with your own money?
gunscarscigars 1 month ago
@spiralflow Yet the biggest "corporations" that "profit" from wars is the Army and the Marine Core.
CaptainSkeletor 1 month ago
@CaptainSkeletor
Marines and Army soldiers are dying on wars based on lies. I would hardly call that 'profiting'.
DowellForPASenate 1 month ago
@spiralflow So, you basically proved that the only power that corporations have is their influence on the State. Without such State, what power do corporations hold?
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
I like Tom Woods.
2oss7uprey 1 month ago
@2oss7uprey Yeah, he makes Catholicism look good.
ThisMachineKillsReds 1 month ago
False "theres always something else that we need done in an economy"
there is such a thing as brute force in the market. Its also known as a monopoly. also any drug dealer will teach you a simple technique, get people to need you with cheaper prices, and then increase them over time while maintaining their need, bait and hook.
And the straw man of the literal jungle comparitor is weak, the market has its own version brute strength, it just happens to be different than the jungle.
d3adp001 1 month ago
This idealized version of capitalism works just like an idealizing version of communism.
The price system does not work as simply bid and sells
Ask if the early factories were good stewards of their surroundings
Fact: there is no free market, and there can not be, there will always be rules for the market, and there is the tie between GOV and COrps, and eventually they merge, reality eliminates your idealized version from existing.
d3adp001 1 month ago
@d3adp001 Free-markets will exist. Anarcho-capitalism is the future for those who wish to live in a society where the initiation of violence is unacceptable. In a true free-market, there is no government, but that does not mean there is no rules. Private "law" and courts will exist in a free-market for sure. Corporations are creations of the State. They will not exist in a free-market.
Peace, Love, and Anarchy
: )
ih8ronpaulh8ers 1 month ago 2
@ih8ronpaulh8ers Corporations are not creations of the state. You need to read Robert Hessen (In Defense of Corporations), Evan Osborne (Rise of the Anti-Corporate Movement) and Peter Klein on the nature of corporations and limited liability. They are PERFECTLY libertarian, and I really wish libertarians would stop parroting left-wing bullshit when they obviously don't even know what a corporation is and have about as little understanding of contract and law.
ThisMachineKillsReds 1 month ago
@ThisMachineKillsReds Nice sources. I don't have a position on this one yet.I'll have to look into it.
truevoice08 1 month ago
@truevoice08 I recommend looking at Robert Hessen's 'Corporations' entry in the Economic Encyclopedia online as well as Stephan Kinsella's various posts about it on the Mises blog and over at The Libertarian Standard.
A corporation is nothing more than a nexus of integrated contractual arrangements.
A rejection of limited liability is a similar meme, as though it makes any sense to hold a stock-holder responsible because a UPS driver crashes into a school bus.
ThisMachineKillsReds 1 month ago
@ThisMachineKillsReds Anarcho-capitalists are not left-wingers. Are you saying that governments do not create legal fictions called corporations?
ih8ronpaulh8ers 1 month ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers Does anarcho-capitalism fit harmonious with the American Constitution ?
needtoalwayslearn 1 month ago
@needtoalwayslearn The point of the Constitution was to keep government restricted and small. An-caps believe that those restrictions cannot work and have not worked. The point of anarcho-capitalism is to embrace the non-aggression principle. Initiation of force or violence is immoral, and government violates that principle. Taxation is theft. An-caps believe that any "public service" needs to be funded voluntarily. Check out Stefan Molyneux or "Stefbot" on youtube for more.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 1 month ago
@d3adp001 explain how this "monopoly" uses force, please.The drug dealer isn't using force if he just gets someone hooked by giving samples.
fleskebille 1 month ago 2
@fleskebille the drug dealer might have this monopoly because government laws create the environment in which such forms of monopoly can develop; i.e. force is involved that creates the impetus for monopoly. A drug 'hooking' people?... there are allot of 'prescription' drugs that 'hook' people in a completely legal manner. A drug is a drug because of its effects on the human mind/brain that a person voluntarily choose to consume. There is a government monopoly in the use of force.
EvilResult 1 month ago
@EvilResult pretty sure the monopoly statement was unrelated to the drug dealer.
I don't disagree with you at all on the drug issue. I don't care how bad a drug is, it shouldn't be illegal to use and distribute. Other people should not be threatened with punishment just because some people get addicted. Heroin junkies, for example, have typically experienced repeated molestation, and heroin just relieves them of pain. Assholes in uniform molesting them again just isn't helpful.
fleskebille 1 month ago
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Kylerusse64 1 month ago
Did Tom already do the Primal diet? He needs a smaller suit already.
MooseOfReason 1 month ago
@MooseOfReason He started last week. His wife has a blog to track their experience.
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
another classic. I send them all to my family members, they will not watch it, as usual.
cankorgbr 1 month ago
That was awesome! Great job Tom.
SleazyAffiliate 1 month ago
SOMEONE PLEASE 2X SPEED THE VIDEO! LOL, FASTEST LEARNING EVER!
dharres12 1 month ago
6 to 11 servings of grain per day. Because grain is a cash crop.
KenMacMillan 1 month ago
excellent lecture
shroomingnewman 1 month ago
Ahh at last, we get another Woods treat!
StrafingMoose 1 month ago
Ideas about freedom:How much freedom is needed?Is it possible to eliminate the use of force in all the insidious ways it manifests among the interactions of life.Are the responsiblities freedom creates always positive.When someone fails is it freedom to starve,to be cheated,robbed,marginalized as not worthy,have the correct pedegree.Can Austrian economics become totalitarian as the examples of socialism and as capitalism is able to buy gov and impose communism on competitor nations peoples?
leiberfrasmilch 1 month ago
Great lecture, Thomas Woods.
MikeSears100 1 month ago
She sounds like a Huffington Post member. LOL
TrippingTheTube 1 month ago
Excellent watch. Thanks for posting.
TrippingTheTube 1 month ago
TOM MOTHERFUCKIN WOODS
longlivecrow 1 month ago
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Xasew 1 month ago
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@Xasew "I am fucking pissed at the moment. I'm so drunk that I know I won't be able..."
Considering your state, maybe you should have just stopped right there. Or just said nothing at all. Just a thought.
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
Great speech - in your face marxist fucktards!
grraadd 1 month ago
He mentions our unique game of football "Australian Rules Football" or as he said Aussie Rules. I would never expect to hear that from the mouths of these intelligent ppl
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
James J. Hill is an interesting character.
His railroad was the basis for Taggart Transcontinental in Atlas Shrugged.
Buffalo122333 1 month ago
Tom Woods is the man! He should be Ron Pauls vice president!
lAljax 1 month ago
I like his work or economics, but I hope he chucks that primal diet before he gains 30 or more pounds and gets heart disease like a lot of the paleo folks. He's right that the food pyramid is bunk, but it shouldn't be flipped - it should be chucked out.
swordsman1600 1 month ago
@swordsman1600 I agree, but it's his choice. Personally, I think my diet is the best - I just eat whatever I feel hungry for each night. I seem to be doing well - more than well, actually, at around 135 pounds for a 5'11" male. I'm like abnormally skinny.
mtanousable 1 month ago
@mtanousable So you only eat during a certain time of the day? ie no breakfast or lunch?
batmanthe 1 month ago
@batmanthe Bah. My bad. I eat three meals and I eat whatever I feel like. It doesn't seem to cause me to gain weight. I think it's because I eat snacks in between (candy, chips, cheese sticks, sandwiches, whatever), so I don't gorge (well, compared to what I could be eating - I have a high metabolism anyway) at any meal. My point was that if anyone tells you that X diet is necessary, they are probably wrong. And if the government tells you - they are almost guaranteed to be lying to you.
mtanousable 1 month ago
This was a brilliant presentation. The socialist argument totally debunked.. Freedom unites people, the free market unhampered brings the most successful increase in living standards than any other system available. In fact most socialist regimes and economic systems have failed, example the Soviet Union. When government or an institution does not allow prices to determine economic activity, and inflates the money it is doomed to fail and collapse. The Austrian School of economics is correct!!
jaimepanama 1 month ago 13
@jaimepanama What socialist system? What free market? The market is a tyranny by and for the rich. Socialism has never been tried on a large scale and neither has capitalism. That you don't know these simple things can only mean that you're mind is too weak to fight off propaganda.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Socialism cannot calculate rationally, it will always fail no matter what scale it is tried.
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
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@synestheticmonotony "Socialism cannot calculate rationally, it will always fail no matter what scale it is tried." The collectives in Argentina and Spain work fine...don't know what to tell you. I don't think it can be scaled up much beyond that level, but it's a good thing to keep corporations honest and competitive. We should have multiple power structure competing, not just capitalism or crony-capitalism. Everybody should get to have a REAL choice between them.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 They both have mixed economies,so I don't get your point.The fact is that absent private property and voluntary exchange, there simply is no way to determine value or opportunity cost.When you're talking about millions of possible ways to produce things,it is very important to know whether one action is value-adding or wasteful, without exchange it is simply impossible to determine this.Further,it is impossible to do these things in-line with consumer wants without feedback (prices)
synestheticmonotony 1 month ago
@synestheticmonotony You view things in a very unrealistic black and white way. These belief systems are made up of elements and never will there be a economy or society with one "pure" system. It has never happened and it never will. Spain and Argentina use REAL socialism and it does work. Do they use elements of capitalism and crony-capitalism too, of course. So you can't say socialism doesn't work but capitalism does without MAJOR bias. Both are untested in pure forms.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Oh please...Spain and Argentina work (LOL). Both in theory and practice (at various degrees) we have seen how socialism fails economically and free market capitalism succeeds. Add to this how unethical socialism is and it is a no brainer. Oh and by the way, just because we will never eliminate murder doesn't mean we should not aim for 0% murder, if you get my drift...
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt No, socialism works better in Argentina and Spain than capitalism, which failed them. You believe socialism to be immoral and are therefore against it to the degree that you compare it with murder--that's ridiculous, btw. You have no rational arguments against it and really nobody can since it works fine in certain contexts. The car companies, for example, could have been expropriated, and they should have been.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Socialism in Argentina murdered THOUSANDS OF HUMAN BEINGS, the "desaparecidos", there is even a SONG made in honor of them. Don't listen to this scum tstruss912.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@tstruss912 You use vary broad terms, ie "capitalism" (coined by Marx). I mentioned in my post there are varying degrees. The extent to which we go towards socialism or free market capitalism will determine the degree to which society is better off or worse off. Of course socialism is unethical - how is anything but voluntary exchange ethical? Socialism and state capitalism uses force/violence and the threat there of, against it's people. Far from moral! The above arguments are rational.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt No, no, no. Socialism is against YOUR moral code. Right-wing thinking has been studied for decades now. You think that all help = enabling. That's demonstrably false. The Nordic model creates 3x the upward mobility and 1/2 the poverty of our model. So, it gives people born in a shitty neighborhood or in a shitty family A REAL chance, not requiring them to be super-strong-geniuses to make it. You call that immoral and I know why. Many of us disagree, though.
tstruss912 1 month ago 2
@tstruss912 a) I never mentioned my moral code. Morals are subjective. However, there are certain rights which are naturally inherent in us all. You obviously don't espouse to these natural rights and condone the use of violence against individuals. b) The U.S. model is a poor example of free market capitalism - it is fascism plane and simple. Standard of living has been falling since the 70's as the government meddles in the economy more and more.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt So who is a good example of market capitalism? Don't say America in the 1800's because since that was the largest boom of new technology the world will EVER see it doesn't really count, although, I am curious to see if you have anything to back up your upward mobility claim. Using the Heritage Index, Singapore and Hong Kong are the "best" countries (ranked by "freedom"). You agree or disagree with that index? Why or why not?
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 I gave examples in a previous post, and yes, America in the 1800's is a good example as there were relatively few government interventions in the economy compared with today. Standards of living continued to increase, especially during the latter half of that century, often termed the Great Depression. Technology is constantly improving and would be far better if we weren't so heavily oppressed by governments. It is a tragedy that people are still poor in the U.S.
cabgt 1 month ago
@tstruss912 The Index's may provide some insights, but can never be taken at face value whereby conclusions can be made. That would be poor academic stewardship.
cabgt 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Why not include the industrial revolution? Isn't it obvious that free market capitalism orchestrated that?
soulforged789 3 weeks ago
@tstruss912 Thank the government for preventing people from getting a chance, i.e. minimum wage laws, union laws etc. c) Nordic countries are hardly a shining light of wealth and prosperity we should aspire to. Mobility and poverty are subject to lots of statistical gymnastics that I take with a pinch of salt. If you want to look for examples of what works, look to America's past where anyone could be a great success and most people moved through higher living standards with age/experience.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt Hmm...I agree with you on many things, but the following is utter rubbish: "America's past where anyone could be a great success and most people moved through higher living standards with age/experience."
Come on now...you know that's bullshit. The poor were even worse off than now; blacks, Chinese, and other minorities were oppressed; and upward mobility was shit. Go ahead and prove the last one false with real stats and I'll consider if I'm wrong--not until then.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
cabgt 1 month ago
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@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
cabgt 1 month ago
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@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
cabgt 1 month ago
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@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Peoples standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
cabgt 1 month ago
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@tstruss912 So you disagree with me that fewer people can move out of poverty than prior to the introduction of the welfare state? Read some Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. I know plenty of minorities who succeeded during this oppression, and guess where this oppression usually came from - the government! It continues to this day with various interventions, taxes etc. Standards of living used to increase, in recent decades it has stagnated or even decreased thanks to govt.
cabgt 1 month ago
@tstruss912 I'm not comparing socialism with murder. I was making the point that although we may not see 100% pure free markets in our time, it does not mean one should not strive for that just goal. Much in the same way that we should strive to eliminate/prevent murder, although we will probably never eradicate it from society. The more we move towards voluntary exchanges and less government violence, the better off we will be.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt Also quit calling it "free" market. Having the rich dominate your life with no rules is not freedom. Not to mention, those kind of markets have never existed, and they never will. Have fun living in your dreamworld. Adios.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 the rich are dominating your life with no rules is what is happening RIGHT NOW under the infinitely growing bureaucracy and rapidly eroding civil liberties
thekoollemon 1 month ago
@thekoollemon True, and what do you suppose we do about it?
tstruss912 1 month ago
@thekoollemon True, and what do you suppose we do about it?
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 the rich can not dominate your life if they are in need of your currency to stay that rich. however if they can have unlimited acces to currency created from nowhere then you have no say in how they treat you at all because your are indirectly being taxed via inflation for their ends even though you didn't support them by purchasing their services!
KevinSheerin 1 month ago
@KevinSheerin True. We need a more representative democracy. Voting/lobbying reform is the only way to get that, and that will only happen after years of strikes and protests. It will be a long fight...
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Yes+no we need more limited government/intervention from government into the market place and we need to embrace free market capitalism. The current strain of capitalism is croni capitalism govt subsidising the"big"players who are not allocating their resources well.In a true free market you don't bail people out because by bailing people out you are allowing people who are allocating very limited human resources poorly to continue doing so and we as a society get poorer
KevinSheerin 1 month ago
@tstruss912 crazy rituals never solved anything.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear Name one major change that didn't come from protesting and strikes. I'm sure you can think of some, but they're in the minority. Most major social change comes from "crazy rituals", I suppose.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 One, ONE major change that didn't come from protesting and strikes?
EASY PEASY. The cure for polio.
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YOU GOT SERVED.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear LOL what a pathetic troll you are. You're not even a good troll. Did your dad beat you? Were you raped in the ass? Your parent's divorce hurt you? What's wrong, little guy? You can tell me lol. One major change to social structures and institutions--do I have to spell it out. Medicine doesn't qualify. Btw, if you could read then you'd see that I said you can find a couple of examples, but I can find hundreds that came from protesting and striking.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 You're a piece of trash.
joshfultondotblogspo 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Your want another one?
THE INVENTION OF COMPUTERS.
Who, WHO, rioted for the iPad, asshat?
Fuck your protesting shit. Fuck it in the ass. Advancement comes from PEACE and THOUGHT, NOT from people waving placards on the street like cows tattooed with slogans.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear The gov funded the development of computers, the internet, jet-engines, rockets, GPS, etc, etc. The fact that people make money off it afterwards and the profits are privatized is disgraceful. The fact that you don't know where those things came from, that's not surprising--you're a fucking retard. I talked about hard solutions; you have none. What's your solution again? Voting? Thinking? lol Go back onto the small bus where you belong, troll.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 you mean to say that people doing business as "government" stole money then decided to pay off scientists who worked on computers, the Internet, jet engines, rockets, GPS... AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THANKFUL FOR THAT?
No thanks. Keep your Stockholm Syndrome in your head, thankyouverymuch. Robbery followed by expenditures in things that you consider "good" today, does not excuse the robbery.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear Sooo...you want to live without a gov? Go to Somalia then. I hear it's quite nice. How would you feel about this gov if your vote actually counted? How would you feel if Ron Paul had a chance instead of being mocked on TV and being declared "unviable" and "a loser" before people even vote? I think you hate THIS gov, not all gov. Go live in Switzerland like I did and then come back and tell me how gov sucks. Their gov ROCKS. Ours SUCKS ASS.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 "Don't like to be raped? Move to a different neighborhood!".
Nice to know your answer is full of ethics!
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear Do you want to ban guns too? As an NRA member I think that's hideous and immoral. I get to defend myself goddammit. Gov is a weapon and it's OUR fault that we let the elite steal it from us. Banning weapons and gov is nothing more than punishing the many for the actions of the few--it's immoral. I want that weapon, the gov, so I can get roads and shit built.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear Why do you think you have the right to outlaw gov due to the actions of a few? It works fine in many euro countries so why can't it work fine here. Yes, they need banking/housing reform too so that they don't have another bubble burst, but besides that gov has evolved into a decent thing and if you're SERIOUS about replacing it then get off your lazy fucking ass and setup alternative institutions! Until then, shut up.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 hahahaha, you think I want to "outlaw government"? HAHAHAHAHA, how can I "outlaw" creation of "laws"? It's fantasies all the way down.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@RuddODragonFear Yes troll, I think you want to outlaw gov through the use of force. Then private tyranny can rule unopposed and that's what you really want: order and tyranny. That makes you "libertarians" feel safe at night, knowing the "good people" are at the top and unchecked in their power. Anyway troll, this will be my last writing to you. It's a waste of time.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Fortunately people make money out of it, otherwise the computers, the Internet, GPS et alia would ONLY be accessible to a few selected professors and researchers in major universities around the world. Gore didn't put internet access at my home, a private corporation did, because they profited from it, as I did too (as the internet is more valuable than the money I paid for that service).
And insulting a counterpart in an argument is childish and vulgar...
rubenximenes 1 month ago
@rubenximenes "And insulting a counterpart in an argument is childish and vulgar..." He was trolling, but seems to have stopped....for now. When I said that privatizing profits is bullshit, I mean that the CEO getting 263 times what the lowest paid worker does is bullshit. EVERYBODY paid the gov to develop these technologies, and yet, all the money goes up to the top.That's not natural.It doesn't happen in any other industrialized country to that extent--it's based on coercion.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@rubenximenes BTW, how would you feel about gov if your vote actually counted? Would that be OK or do you want a world that follows your thinking in every way all the time?
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Changes made by the govenment to socieity come from the threat of force not from protesting or striking. The government says follow our over one million pages of federal code or we will steal from you and/or lock you into a cage where there is a much greater chance of you getting raped repeatedly. I don't think its civilized to threaten people with kidnaping and rape because you personally prefer people to pool money together for investment in rockets. I think it's barbaric.
MrGreeneggsnham 1 month ago
@MrGreeneggsnham "Changes made by the govenment to socieity come from the threat of force not from protesting or striking." Ya, changes come from both. Civil rights, worker rights, women's rights, etc all came from protesting and striking. Now those rights are enforced by gov. Gov is a power structure and therefore can turn evil when run by sociopaths. That goes for ALL pyramidal power structures. The problem is that our voting system is rigged, so we're not represented.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 No, they passed a law and if you break it they lock you in a cage and/or fine you. Voting isn't a good way to decide anything. It amounts to argumentum ad populum. It's majority opinion enforced with the barrel of a gun.
Power corrupts and corrupt people are attracted to power.
MrGreeneggsnham 1 month ago 20
@MrGreeneggsnham Wow, as an ACTUAL rebel I must say that I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The barrel of a gun? I'm fighting with the IRS right now for "owing" them money for three years, which I refuse to pay due to the wars. I used the advice in "Cracking the Code". They have yet to do anything other than send a letter. If you organize something like that book, then yes, you go to jail. Otherwise, all they do is talk. We just need voting reform, that's all.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 MLK was arrested for tax evasion. You don't understand because you don't understand the nature of the government.
Read "The Tale of the Slave"by Robert Nozick
It's only about page long and let me know which transition from case 1 to case 9 made it no longer the tale of a slave.
MrGreeneggsnham 1 month ago
@MrGreeneggsnham ALL forms of power can be evil. It matters how the power is spread out. We need competing systems, not one system. We should have church, classical capitalism, crony-capitalism, gov, socialism, collectives, etc, etc all competing and balancing each other out. You want power to be condensed in one spot. Ask yourself why the elite support your ideas, and why they hate mine. The answer is simple.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Well in a free market/free society you can have all of the above competing groups if they're voluntary, i.e. no central power. Which is what Thomas Woods and myself encourage. If you want to start a collective on some land then people can join and if they don't like it they can leave etc. I think you may be more in favour of a free market society than you realise!!
cabgt 1 month ago
@tstruss912 You are clearly confused. I'm not a statist and you didn't pick a number.
MrGreeneggsnham 1 month ago
@MrGreeneggsnham It's OUR fault that we let gov slip out of our hands! It's like letting a criminal take a gun from you. Gov is a weapon and I want to defend myself from evil people so I want the weapon sometimes. Get it? A new voting/lobbying system will give me the weapon so I'm fighting for that. Get it? I really don't understand what you're whining about...
tstruss912 1 month ago
@MrGreeneggsnham I couldn't agree more....especially about voting, an archaic mechanism that is constantly open to manipulation and lapped up by sheep.
oleuanna 1 month ago
@MrGreeneggsnham I say the same thing all the time (the "ad populum" part). Bravo.
ProIndividual 1 week ago
@tstruss912 "Selective reasoning" is your problem. You imagine that your solution is the one VIAGRA that will give mankind all its solutions to erectile dysfunction. Then as you try to convince yourself that your bullshit works, you forget that TRUE BEAUTY is the generator of HONEST erections. Keep your rituals and "easy solutions" to yourself -- we, the people that are advancing the human race, have no need for them.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
@tstruss912 they have access to more wealth and you did not concent to that via mutual exchange!
KevinSheerin 1 month ago
@tstruss912 Free market = voluntary exchanges between consenting agents. Anything outside of voluntary relations between people is not 100% free market/free society. Free markets is win-win. Socialism = more win-lose as more exchanges are forced. We have had free markets. In the middle ages Celtic Ireland, Champagne France and and many early U.S. colonies to mention a few. Hong Kong is also a modern economic marvel having gone from being very poor to very prosperous and very free market.
cabgt 1 month ago
@tstruss912 How do the "rich" dominate your life in a relatively free market if exchanges are voluntary? How does this compare with the government dominating your life through involuntary exchanges in socialism? Seriously, do some more study of economics and history before trying to debate me. You're embarrassing yourself.
cabgt 1 month ago
@cabgt no, argentinian socialism did NOT work, dude. In the seventies, socialists caused the murder of THOUSANDS of people. In the nineties, they caused a CATASTROPHIC HYPERINFLATION that wiped away all of the country's savings.
I am agreeing with you.
RuddODragonFear 1 month ago
It's the free market that allows these anti free market idiots to make stupid comments in the first place.
siftyfour 1 month ago
My God you lost weight! Looking good!
Hanksand 1 month ago
Nice, this ignorant girl got pwned.
TWSceptic 1 month ago
The food pyramid of the guvment is a tragedy. People need to flip it over and get off gluten and processed foods.
dd00hli 1 month ago
@dd00hli 100% truth. Ppl must stop eating processed food, i have no doubt it is 1 of the leading reasons we are seeing an explosion of cases of diabetes, asthma etc. Diet is number 1 on my list of trying to educate friends/family about what they eat. I've seen ppl who drink 24 cans of a common brand soft drink which has so much sugar etc in it that it should be made illegal as a very real danger to the health of the consumer. I'm all for banning advertising of junk food to children
SouthernCross33 1 month ago
Sweet.
dd00hli 1 month ago
Woods at 1:40
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residentzombie 1 month ago
@sadohenker If using evidence instead of emotion is schizophrenic then maybe I should commit myself...
Loyal2Liberty 1 month ago 2
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Goodatconnect4 1 month ago
@sadohenker Danger everyone! Logical argumentation at work!
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eurohim 1 month ago
@sadohenker Is name calling the best you can do?
eurohim 1 month ago
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arcanekrusader 1 month ago
@sadohenker Which of the facts he mentioned were fallacious?
AlexanderReiswich 1 month ago