i did a flat spin test on a flight simulator and i heard the right way to do it was wings neutral,throttle idle, and opposite rudder. Well I applied full throttle, opposite rudder, nose down and to the opposite direction,(diagonally) and the spin recovered much faster. I used a stopwatch to measure the time and the normal spin was 11.00 while the alternative way was 3.68. So thats 7.32 seconds of differance
i guess you survived because you didn't fully panic, well done, and good job, when i se the images of that spin i think it must of felt so badly fast, does it gives allot of g's on u or totally no g's at all?
I think you entered a flat spin because of the engine restart that you tried. That little thrust caused from the restart most likely would have done it. But well done for the recovery and ability to land it without dying! I woulda shit myself, and I am a pilot!
OK wasn’t expecting that. I am a pilot and with all due respect please warn people it is a crash, I hate seeing this stuff. Your video says spin. Well done you for keeping cool and so glad you are ok.
@mocatx In the description it notes "This aircraft is not fitted with an electric starter motor, so I was unable to restart the engine. During the "flare" to land the main undercarriage caught the top wires of a barbed wire fence that was invisible to me. After coming to rest inverted" :) Also a pilot here, man what a wake up call to buckle down on keeping spin recovery fresh in my mind...
@Rodrek89 In an erect spin you can use the rudder to recover (if your aircraft can recover froma spin, some can't). In a flat spin there is not that much airflow over the rudder (at least not in the direction you want it) so recovering becomes very difficult unless you can drop the nose. Also in a flat spin the wings are "more" stalled. In a normal spin the outside wing is only partially stalled. Flat spins have more extreme angles of attack well beyond the crtical angle of attack.
@toogoodbw thank you for the info toogoodbw...I've flown pa28 and little cessnas and I've never heard about flat spin. You think that it's a common risk? How can you put your plane in a flat spin? According what you've written maybe you should have low airspeed and a condition like the deep stall (with t tail airplanes) so troubles to recover unless you drop the nose as you said. Is it somethin like that?
@Rodrek89 I would imagine so. I've never been trained on flat spins and wouldn't know how to get my aircraft into one. I have only heard of aerobatic planes entering flat spins so i'm not sure if there is a connection there. Of course, aerobatic planes are putting themselves into spins intentionally all the time so perhaps that is why. I have never been in any kind of spin. I suppose if I get my CFI I will do spin training.
so i did a google image search for "tipsy nipper" and, uh... that thing looks like it's got about the same engine-out glide performance as a Volkswagen Golf. how are you not dead.
Didnt see the description first, and thought this would be the one of recovery vids.. I was thinking that 'thats a bit low for doing flats', and saw the spin spooling up.. was like whatta fck this is not going to end good.
that is why you guys should have a little bit of sense when it comes to stuff like that and do not exceed the limitations of yourselves first of all and then the aircraft. 1. You were too low. 2. You were spinning the airplane way too much. 3. You did not plan an engine failure because if you would then you would be practicing all that over fields were you would be able to land the aircraft without damaging it. But anyways, Thank god you are safe and a good pilot! Congratulations!!!
@flagkakis I'm not sure you have any real-world experience flying airplanes, but from what I can assess in the video he was well over the safe altitude to practice stalls (3,500-4,000 feet), and the aircraft unintentionally entered the spin. This was the result of the right wing dropping and causing a high uneven flow of air across the aircraft which initiated the spin; the engine failure just added to the list of issues...As a pilot these things can happen, to anyone.
Not a pilot but i imagine Evey aircraft has different aerodynamic forces and so each would be a unique experience correct? with different solutions and techniques
I've done spins in a 172... but that was just amazing. You are very lucky to have recovered and hats off to you. This video is EXACTLY why everyone needs to do spin training.
@TTUsucks88 You should want to do them even more after watching this...you gotta know how to recover, and the book doesn't teach you the sight pictures and motion you feel in a spin. Go out in a decathalon or something and get some formal spin training. You won't regret it. I don't.
I read your incident report and I think that your contribution to solving this situation qualifies you as a pretty good test pilot on this particular model of aircraft. I mean judging by the fact that the aircraft is generally reluctant to spins and you managed a 26 turn flatspin, coincidentally having a webcam and a laptop plugged in and gathering data, that makes you one hell of a test pilot :) you also set a very good conclusion: always start your spins well above safe altitude; just in case
very very good job! handled things like a pro. that "I think that's it" it's a pretty good way of showing every pilot assumes the risk, but further more, it proves that sometimes it only takes a little bit after the "i think that's it" moment, to save the day and go home! wonderfully handled the situation! congratulations and that barbed wire fence is still a bitch :)
WOW! What an incredible story friend. You're truly fortunate. Two questions though, what caused the engine to stop? And were you injured at all? Way to keep your head.
Hey mate, glad ur alive, when you recovered that low I though wow what a sick cunt this guy is, total legend , I knew the engine would stop from the flat spin, no idea till you bobbed it that it was uninterional. Coudos thought mate, handeled it well
I'm just a private pilot student with just 9h of flight experience and let me say this is REALLY panic. I'm happy you could make an emergency landing and the rescue services found you. Wow man...
@cruisersism Odds are, the aircraft didn't have a full fuel pump, and with the various, continually changing G forces, the engine would have gone insanely lean, and as happened, die. Glad to see you were able to recover in time, even though you still had to make a bumpy landing. Just goes to show, cool, calm, under control: 3 things required to survive as a pilot.
At first, the spin looked intentional, but then it went horribly wrong, was this intentional? Glad your okay, best piloting I have ever seen, I just learned about flat spins, and now power on stalls scare the shit out of me! lol!
@JetlinerXPilotXFSX Dont ever let a basic maneuver scare you. Most of my students get scared the first time they try one too, its pretty normal. This just means you need to practice them more. If you keep the airplane coordinated and recover promptly and correctly, there is absolutely nothing to be scared of.
The maine probem is on the start! You throw your plane in normal spin, then from the video that I saw that you do a major eror. You give the plane power and the reason is flat spin! You have luch that you make it! I wish you long life!
@onecheman Yes, but the magnetos move with the engine, therefore you need something to start that movement or you'd never have power. Usually the piston engine has an electric starter motor to move the propeller (crackshaft) and with it the magnetos and create the current to ignite the fuel inside the cylinders, which will move the magnetos and the generator giving electricity to the plane.
@CusoOrtiz If you read the description you would know that he recovered out of the spin at 700 ft. Going into a dive to restart the engine would be suicide you idiot.
i was going to get a share in a tipsy and timebuild in it...the offer i had was dirt cheap...but then i found out it has no starter motor, researched a bit more, then stumbled on this video and thought....naaaaa :P
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I'm surprised you made it out of that alive, go buy a lottery ticket. That was dizzying and i would have chucked my cookies. Did you apply full counter rudder? Do you remember what input you did to recover?
verry good , this is the result of a pilot with a clear and focused mind that dose not panic props to you! and one question im a search and rescuer specifically trained for plane crashes did your ELT antenna, or any other antenna snap when you landed?
Excellent piloting! There's one thing I don't get though. Why did you attempt such a tight turn with no power and so little altitude? Would you have had any chance ditching in the river? Thanks for the video!
All i have to say is you did one helluva job, way to keep your head cool and prepare that emergency landing. Fantastic job. When you saw that your engine died, were you trying to pitch down? I've never been in a flat spin. I'd fly with you any day.
great job you never gave up. can you tell me was the engine froze up.. I never saw you try to restart it. the last thing I thought was you were going to restart the engine and fly away. man was I wrong.. left me with my month wide open. I am glade that you and your plane are flying again..
The IN TURN aileron is absolutely the right thing to do. I think about flat spin recovery all the time I'm doing slow speed maneuvering and hypothesized that the counter-intuitive IN TURN aileron input would be the optimum way of forcing the wings out of level from whence conventional spin recovery can commence. I have never had to put my hypothesis to test in practice so I thank you for providing at least one good data point to prove it. A bended elbow to you sir from Dallas, Texas
I pooped myself a little bit watching this video. I've always wanted to fly but I don't think I got the sack for it. I can't even handle being on a roller coaster.
HOLY CRAP! Now that is freaking scary. Man I cannot imagine how terrifying that must have been. Damn that fence, you had almost pulled a gold brick out of a ****house there, damn nice flying, way to keep your cool. Much respect!
Just found this. Good work!. I have been flying for 25 years and have been fortunate to never come across a flat spin. Can you please give me the recovery method? . ie is it just forward stick and opposite
aileron. Would power of helped in the recovery if it was available?
Full opposite rudder; IN TURN aileron; neutral/forward elevator,depending on a/c type.The recovery was delayed on this a/c due to partial blanking of the elevator which I held full forward.
In-turn aileron was the key to recovery on this a/c, it was the only control that had any loading/aerodynamic effect.Depending on the type of a/c full power with flat spin recovery settings MAY accelerate recovery
Extraordinary. This should set an example for all aviators, aspiring and veteran alike, to remain calm and handle yourself well in extreme situations.
@goncstube The script of TOP GUN called for a flat spin at one point. A popular airo-acrobat was hired to proform it. He fell past the recovery altitude and radioed the following message; "I have a problem...... A REAL problem...". His plane went down in the pacific ocean and neither it nor his body were ever recovered.
I eventually got a Mayday out via a commercial flight relay, I believe the emergency services were also alerted by witnesses at Tollesbury village close by. The Police Air Support Heli' got to me in about 20 minutes. Great work by all the emergency services, fantastic support.
I'm curious as to why the engine stopped? In my knowledge, stalls/spins only stall the wings, not the engine. Did you cut the engine because you knew you weren't going to be able to recover and had to make an emergency landing?
The engine stopped due to a "rich cut", this happens when the throttle is opened quickly and the mixture is too rich for the engine to burn.This had never been a problem before,and I believe airflow disturbance due to the rate of spin was a contributing factor.The carburettor was sent back to the manufacturers for inspection,but no faults were found.The engine does not have an electric starter,so without enough altitude to airstart the engine I was committed to a landing.
Holy shite! That got my heart racing a bit towards the end, though nothing like what it must have been like for anyone in the plane! I thought they were doing it on purpose. Towards the end...I was like "Okay, turn on the engine any time now. Whenever you're ready! No time LIKE THE PRESENT! TURN the DAMN ENGINE ON, you FOOL!! AAHHHHH!!!!!!"
I think that's the first "in-car" video I've seen of a plane crash. I'm glad everyone was okay, whether it was a miracle or not. I'd be religious if I flew!
Hi and thanks for the comment. Yes I am still flying in this aircraft, other single engine types and commercially.The incident was disturbing,but as with any experience it provides us with knowledge that we can take away with us.If you get a shock off of an electric appliance because you got it wet, it shouldn't stop you using them, but know not to get them wet!
I posted this video for this very reason,knowledge and experience arm you with the tools to survive.I still love flying.
@AndrewRice20 It's not a miracle. It's a narrow escape, indeed, but why do people insist on calling every narrow escape a "miracle" and attribute it to "someone" rather than the pilot actually in control of the aircraft?...
So presumably you tried the usual rudder inputs but the aircraft didn't respond quickly enough or something? I suppose it's hard to remember what you did after such an experience, let alone 2 years later... Anyway, glad you made it!
@romkyns Actually, found a very detailed analysis of the incident which answers my question in a lot of detail. Interesting read! Find it by googling for "Tipsy Nipper T.66 Series 3 Nipper, G-ONCS".
Hi. Normal spin recovery inputs don't normally work in a flat spin, I did try them twice, but with no response, that is when you hear me say "I think this is it". But I am not one for giving up, so reasoned the ailerons may be the answer as they were the only control with any loading on them. In-turn aileron provides drag to help oppose the yaw of the flat spin, which was the key to recovery in my case.
Thanks for sharing the experience, I recieved spin training for my CFII however this indeed is creepy, and makes for a great training video especially about flat spins.
Hi, Thanks for posting the comment. I am pleased it helped with your training, that is the only reason it is on youtube. Have you tried flat spinning and recovery? If you are going to do aero's then it is a very good idea.
wow great job. im a student pilot and i thank you for posting this. it really helps me understand the characteristics of a flat stall. i also saw your discussion video and i realize how this flat spin began, i gues you cant trust the plane 100%. Wow and you say you recovered at 700!! i get scared recovering at 2,000 hehe. well great recovery from that stall. thanks for posting and have fun flying that nice plane of yours. :)
Moobradidi, Why don't you put down your Playskills logbook, and your plastic Captain's hat and wings that you won when you logged 100 hours playing flight simulator. Then, go to your local FBO, and dig deep in your tighty-whiteys for your man parts. If you find anything at all, sign up for flight lessons. Until then, your just another asswife, with a big mouth. This guy is lucky to be alive, and the video may save lives.
With reference to removing this video, my personal opinion is that it should remain on this website, purely to educate those who fail to consider the consequences of spin entry.
why didn't the prop start spinning once he got out of the stall and dropped the nose? also some clarification on what he did to get it into a flat spin from a regular spin?
To get the engine turning again needs a much higher speed.
The use of pro' spin aileron, rapid rudder input and operating the a/c with the CofG close to the rear limit was enough to make the spin go flat immediately.Normally full power with up elevator and out-turn aileron is needed to get an erect spin to go flat.
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I also note from the TV vid that you were looking for a cheap plane for aeros. In aviation cheap usually means dangerous and in aeros it usually means death. If that ground had been harder (you said there was water off yr crashed left wingtip) then u might already be dead. If your firewall fuel tank had cracked u would be very crispy. If u had inverted in shallow water u cld have drowned. Get a real aero a/c, a chute, some advanced training & u might live. But no more BS "there i was.." videos.
You were not there,you have your own interpretation of the situation and timing of decisions and are very vocal at airing them.The video stays,as from feedback via this column and other forums it has done exactly what I had hoped:open discussion and awareness of flat spins and recovery.You don't know me,fame is not what the video was posted for.I have admitted my mistakes,but I will be buggered if I am going to be bullied by a very self opinionated and vocal "expert".
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You would be best served removing this video because it does not encourage pilots to use the right tools and processes for aerobatics. It is a thinly veiled piece of exhibitionism designed to make you look like a gifted pilot whereas you lack the airmanship that would have prevented this crash in the first place. Chuck Yeager said "All aiplanes kill fools" & you are one lucky fool who just won't admit his foolishness. I see u still fly this plane with no chute/BRS or restart ability. Brilliant.
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Real story: U fluked exiting the spin, looked ahead, saw no hope, turned left as most pilots instinctively would and took what you had (zero). For 20 mis u were trapped in a crashed, inverted a/c that could have been leaking fuel and you wouldn't know until the bang. Must have been a lot of fun, strapped in waiting to burn. This is not an educational video since it educates us to use wrong planes with wrong capabilities without safety marginsa and then seek notoriety rather than accept idiocy.
i did a flat spin test on a flight simulator and i heard the right way to do it was wings neutral,throttle idle, and opposite rudder. Well I applied full throttle, opposite rudder, nose down and to the opposite direction,(diagonally) and the spin recovered much faster. I used a stopwatch to measure the time and the normal spin was 11.00 while the alternative way was 3.68. So thats 7.32 seconds of differance
Megalodon64 3 days ago
I would have pooped all over myselfonce I had a chane to realize I was safe on the ground. lol. Glad everything turned out ok.
XxJorshxX 2 weeks ago
Holy shit that was scary. Nice recovery and thank God you're alright.
FoardenotFord 4 weeks ago
Amazing airmanship, glad you made it out okay.
DjShivy 1 month ago
i guess you survived because you didn't fully panic, well done, and good job, when i se the images of that spin i think it must of felt so badly fast, does it gives allot of g's on u or totally no g's at all?
modwebby 1 month ago
I PLEDGE TO STAY ABOVE STALL SPEED AT ALL TIMES!
TheFr3sh1 1 month ago 5
I'm impressed!
gliderpilot778 1 month ago
So you gave up flying after, right?
smartestmanonnet 1 month ago
I always think of the song Moves Like Jagger when i see a flat spin
egarz152 1 month ago
Incredible.
spikesonthebrain 2 months ago
Holy shit you got lucky. I would have crapped my pants.
MaroonCamaro 2 months ago
thanks for posting your video, i was amazed at how quickly you lost height...shame you had no starter! shame hope you get back in the air soon.
MoroccoTrailtrips 3 months ago
Excellent job mate, Im a pilot as well, glad your ok...
jordon1954 3 months ago
that was awesome. great job surviving!
tcolinryan 4 months ago
Holy hell mate... glad you made it out of that one. Looked like it was gonna be the end for sure there for a minute.
vonjager 4 months ago
dette var kult
iiMoNsTeRZzHD 5 months ago
what speed does your prop windmill?
toogoodbw 5 months ago
I think you entered a flat spin because of the engine restart that you tried. That little thrust caused from the restart most likely would have done it. But well done for the recovery and ability to land it without dying! I woulda shit myself, and I am a pilot!
Beamernator 5 months ago
OK wasn’t expecting that. I am a pilot and with all due respect please warn people it is a crash, I hate seeing this stuff. Your video says spin. Well done you for keeping cool and so glad you are ok.
No offence intended by my comment.
mocatx 6 months ago 7
@mocatx In the description it notes "This aircraft is not fitted with an electric starter motor, so I was unable to restart the engine. During the "flare" to land the main undercarriage caught the top wires of a barbed wire fence that was invisible to me. After coming to rest inverted" :) Also a pilot here, man what a wake up call to buckle down on keeping spin recovery fresh in my mind...
Ziggyz0m 1 month ago
what's the difference between flat and erect spin?
Rodrek89 6 months ago
@Rodrek89 In an erect spin you can use the rudder to recover (if your aircraft can recover froma spin, some can't). In a flat spin there is not that much airflow over the rudder (at least not in the direction you want it) so recovering becomes very difficult unless you can drop the nose. Also in a flat spin the wings are "more" stalled. In a normal spin the outside wing is only partially stalled. Flat spins have more extreme angles of attack well beyond the crtical angle of attack.
toogoodbw 5 months ago
@toogoodbw thank you for the info toogoodbw...I've flown pa28 and little cessnas and I've never heard about flat spin. You think that it's a common risk? How can you put your plane in a flat spin? According what you've written maybe you should have low airspeed and a condition like the deep stall (with t tail airplanes) so troubles to recover unless you drop the nose as you said. Is it somethin like that?
Rodrek89 5 months ago
@Rodrek89 I would imagine so. I've never been trained on flat spins and wouldn't know how to get my aircraft into one. I have only heard of aerobatic planes entering flat spins so i'm not sure if there is a connection there. Of course, aerobatic planes are putting themselves into spins intentionally all the time so perhaps that is why. I have never been in any kind of spin. I suppose if I get my CFI I will do spin training.
toogoodbw 5 months ago
What's the beeping sound? Some kind of an emergency transponder?
kamilmarkowicz 6 months ago
Wow, thats scary. How did you retain conciousness? Great recovery and glad your ok!
phil656565 6 months ago 7
Wow, very impressive
bajesus666 6 months ago
@goncstube glad you made out out alright.
menaef 7 months ago
so i did a google image search for "tipsy nipper" and, uh... that thing looks like it's got about the same engine-out glide performance as a Volkswagen Golf. how are you not dead.
EATABAGOFHELL 7 months ago
Didnt see the description first, and thought this would be the one of recovery vids.. I was thinking that 'thats a bit low for doing flats', and saw the spin spooling up.. was like whatta fck this is not going to end good.
Randomnick123 7 months ago
LAUNDRY DAY
Randomnick123 7 months ago
but your a pretty good pilot for staying clam lol
l0ltoe 7 months ago
im not a pilot but id be like ahhhhhhhh SHIT SHIT SHIT!!! NOOOOOOOO
l0ltoe 7 months ago
IT'S A MODEL AIRCRAFT HAHAH!!!!
whiteass92 7 months ago
wow
tysontube290 8 months ago
that is why you guys should have a little bit of sense when it comes to stuff like that and do not exceed the limitations of yourselves first of all and then the aircraft. 1. You were too low. 2. You were spinning the airplane way too much. 3. You did not plan an engine failure because if you would then you would be practicing all that over fields were you would be able to land the aircraft without damaging it. But anyways, Thank god you are safe and a good pilot! Congratulations!!!
flagkakis 8 months ago
@flagkakis I'm not sure you have any real-world experience flying airplanes, but from what I can assess in the video he was well over the safe altitude to practice stalls (3,500-4,000 feet), and the aircraft unintentionally entered the spin. This was the result of the right wing dropping and causing a high uneven flow of air across the aircraft which initiated the spin; the engine failure just added to the list of issues...As a pilot these things can happen, to anyone.
solidhadriel 7 months ago
THANK GOD DUDE! I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT OUT!
captain4004 8 months ago
Damn Bro! Hehe, that wasn't the ending I was expecting. I red the details afterwords. Not much for landing selections either, glad you're ok.
mytube1968 8 months ago in playlist aviation
im glad u got your nose down :)
btw. is it plauseble to sugest that incase of thrustvectoring airplane sutch uncontrolled flatspins are quite simple to recover from?
ancerick 8 months ago
Not a pilot but i imagine Evey aircraft has different aerodynamic forces and so each would be a unique experience correct? with different solutions and techniques
datzfast 8 months ago
@datzfast correct that different aircraft have different aerodynamic forces but the technique to recover would be the same if not very similar :)
laner41 8 months ago
saw this on the aviators why not add 1000 feet to new stunts.
datzfast 8 months ago
Any landing you can walk away from is good enough, Why no attempt on a restart?
garvhun 8 months ago
one of the best aviation vids on youtube
bajesus666 9 months ago
Our flight instructor used this as a real world example of good piloting and flat spin :)
wezpaa 9 months ago
I've done spins in a 172... but that was just amazing. You are very lucky to have recovered and hats off to you. This video is EXACTLY why everyone needs to do spin training.
TheMeslava 9 months ago
Airspeed, altitude, or ideas. Always have at least 1.
stesta5074 9 months ago
Thats why you do aerobatics above 3000ft!
Amazing recovery! We are just learning about these in my flight training course, and its great to see that people can recover from them. Nice Work,
KnownAsRiver 10 months ago
I sincerely hope I never end up in a similar situation.
Tjita1 10 months ago
Holy hell.....you did a hell of a job to get it out of the spin and still land it (mostly).
My hat is off to you. That is some flying. To be able to get it to the ground as you did is remarkable.
TheStrayEagle 10 months ago
Holy shit. I have my PPL; I've never done spins, and don't feel like doing them after watching this.
TTUsucks88 10 months ago
@TTUsucks88 You should want to do them even more after watching this...you gotta know how to recover, and the book doesn't teach you the sight pictures and motion you feel in a spin. Go out in a decathalon or something and get some formal spin training. You won't regret it. I don't.
bgiesbrecht101 10 months ago
I read your incident report and I think that your contribution to solving this situation qualifies you as a pretty good test pilot on this particular model of aircraft. I mean judging by the fact that the aircraft is generally reluctant to spins and you managed a 26 turn flatspin, coincidentally having a webcam and a laptop plugged in and gathering data, that makes you one hell of a test pilot :) you also set a very good conclusion: always start your spins well above safe altitude; just in case
innersilencedotcom 10 months ago
very very good job! handled things like a pro. that "I think that's it" it's a pretty good way of showing every pilot assumes the risk, but further more, it proves that sometimes it only takes a little bit after the "i think that's it" moment, to save the day and go home! wonderfully handled the situation! congratulations and that barbed wire fence is still a bitch :)
innersilencedotcom 10 months ago
WOW! What an incredible story friend. You're truly fortunate. Two questions though, what caused the engine to stop? And were you injured at all? Way to keep your head.
HHSFHarry 10 months ago
Hey mate, glad ur alive, when you recovered that low I though wow what a sick cunt this guy is, total legend , I knew the engine would stop from the flat spin, no idea till you bobbed it that it was uninterional. Coudos thought mate, handeled it well
ads101291 11 months ago
I'm just a private pilot student with just 9h of flight experience and let me say this is REALLY panic. I'm happy you could make an emergency landing and the rescue services found you. Wow man...
ArtuRider 11 months ago
I bet the people in the boats were like, ( We're gonna see a crash!)
AgentMorris94 11 months ago
High and fast next time buddy...high and fast
bcpence 11 months ago
why did you set throttle to idle especially when you knew you had no starter to restart engine, never temp faith, you were lucky this time.
cruisersism 1 year ago
@cruisersism Odds are, the aircraft didn't have a full fuel pump, and with the various, continually changing G forces, the engine would have gone insanely lean, and as happened, die. Glad to see you were able to recover in time, even though you still had to make a bumpy landing. Just goes to show, cool, calm, under control: 3 things required to survive as a pilot.
Regards, and safe landings.
triggerhappy14 11 months ago
what plane you was flying?
plasmasoro 1 year ago
Im glad the pilot survived but it seems to me for the expense of a plane they could atleast include a $50 starter motor.
gardnerbm 1 year ago
@gardnerbm and battery and generator and wiring and brackets to hold the battery secure and placed in a inconvenient place not to upset the cg ?
grandaddyc 11 months ago
I bet his seat was soaked
gardnerbm 1 year ago
Crab Ice!
JohnnyThund3r 1 year ago
At first, the spin looked intentional, but then it went horribly wrong, was this intentional? Glad your okay, best piloting I have ever seen, I just learned about flat spins, and now power on stalls scare the shit out of me! lol!
JetlinerXPilotXFSX 1 year ago
@JetlinerXPilotXFSX Dont ever let a basic maneuver scare you. Most of my students get scared the first time they try one too, its pretty normal. This just means you need to practice them more. If you keep the airplane coordinated and recover promptly and correctly, there is absolutely nothing to be scared of.
RandySRT 11 months ago
full rudder, no engine, unfasten seatbell to go as forward as possible to change C of Gravity
And then wait...
It's harder to get out of a spin when in high altitude and when it has made lots of turns
boom600 1 year ago
@boom600 If I got into a flat spin, i'd sure as hell give leaning forward a shot, LOL.
RandySRT 11 months ago
GC to far rearwards? Flat spin recovery is pure luck, you had it, but I wouldnt even want to enter it ever...
silento46 1 year ago
The maine probem is on the start! You throw your plane in normal spin, then from the video that I saw that you do a major eror. You give the plane power and the reason is flat spin! You have luch that you make it! I wish you long life!
prodrac5 1 year ago
So u have to handstart this plane...
nrowah 1 year ago
"aircraft is not fitted with an electric starter motor" All piston aircraft use magnetos... Something does not fit in your description.
At least, if it is true, you still alive and that's important!!
onecheman 1 year ago
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ocelote 1 year ago
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@onecheman Yes, but the magnetos move with the engine, therefore you need something to start that movement or you'd never have power. Usually the piston engine has an electric starter motor to move the propeller (crackshaft) and with it the magnetos and create the current to ignite the fuel inside the cylinders, which will move the magnetos and the generator giving electricity to the plane.
ocelote 1 year ago
ok.sorry
hurmer 1 year ago
why didnt you try to restart the engine?
hurmer 1 year ago
@hurmer Read the info below the video!
Roudy1331 1 year ago
Damn you alive after these crash landing?!! or it's a RC plane?
onecheman 1 year ago
@onecheman Read the info below the video!
Roudy1331 1 year ago
@onecheman The spin is the hardcore part..... People clip fences and flip everyday.
mryellow123 1 year ago
Very sobering! Great work in keeping your wits about you. Do you happen to remember which control input got you out of the flat spin?
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mohankaly 1 year ago
That was awesome! Glad ur OK man. Why'd the engine quit anyway?
eckels3000 1 year ago
This is truly a frightening video! Did you get straight back in and fly again?
airindiana 1 year ago
I don't know why he did'nt dove it...the prop will due a few revolutions and will start again.
CusoOrtiz 1 year ago
@CusoOrtiz If you read the description you would know that he recovered out of the spin at 700 ft. Going into a dive to restart the engine would be suicide you idiot.
CPLDiamanti 1 year ago
Just put me off buying a Nipper. I think I would have hit the silk by then.
nightrider836 1 year ago
i was going to get a share in a tipsy and timebuild in it...the offer i had was dirt cheap...but then i found out it has no starter motor, researched a bit more, then stumbled on this video and thought....naaaaa :P
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VegEdGoku 1 year ago
i just shit my pants...
retsnom92 1 year ago
did u do that on purpose?
zdanz25 1 year ago
OMG! THAT'S WHY I SAY GOD EXISTS!
israelzim 1 year ago
@israelzim Did God make his engine fail too? What a tool.
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israelzim 1 year ago
that impact scared the CRAP outa me!! didn't sound like it tickled..
korgboy98 1 year ago
I'm surprised you made it out of that alive, go buy a lottery ticket. That was dizzying and i would have chucked my cookies. Did you apply full counter rudder? Do you remember what input you did to recover?
Gromitdog1 1 year ago
That`s close... what`s your airplane? and what did you do to recover that spin?
leonegro19 1 year ago
Very good recovery, you made it ! glad you are okay...well done! stay calm and find a appropriate location to land~
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janakisaman 1 year ago
Holy shit - amazing recovery. If you had a starter motor you would never have ditched. Well done
Enderwiggan1 1 year ago
verry good , this is the result of a pilot with a clear and focused mind that dose not panic props to you! and one question im a search and rescuer specifically trained for plane crashes did your ELT antenna, or any other antenna snap when you landed?
youngestpilotinGa 1 year ago
Excellent piloting! There's one thing I don't get though. Why did you attempt such a tight turn with no power and so little altitude? Would you have had any chance ditching in the river? Thanks for the video!
2times333 1 year ago
All i have to say is you did one helluva job, way to keep your head cool and prepare that emergency landing. Fantastic job. When you saw that your engine died, were you trying to pitch down? I've never been in a flat spin. I'd fly with you any day.
RandySRT 1 year ago
job well done sir im glad you were able to walk away from this and you are still flying take it easy and be safe man
xXGETR0CKEDxX 1 year ago
The stoic silence is incredible.
GenericPurpleTurtle 1 year ago
why didnt you exit out of the spin immediately after the engine stopped?
cosminx2003 1 year ago
Way to stay calm! Thanks for the video and analysis.
aaron8862006 1 year ago
I saw you on the aviators tv!
BlazingPuppies 1 year ago
great job you never gave up. can you tell me was the engine froze up.. I never saw you try to restart it. the last thing I thought was you were going to restart the engine and fly away. man was I wrong.. left me with my month wide open. I am glade that you and your plane are flying again..
cklskypilot 1 year ago
I Thought U Wernt gonna recover :/
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Kiddihj 1 year ago
The IN TURN aileron is absolutely the right thing to do. I think about flat spin recovery all the time I'm doing slow speed maneuvering and hypothesized that the counter-intuitive IN TURN aileron input would be the optimum way of forcing the wings out of level from whence conventional spin recovery can commence. I have never had to put my hypothesis to test in practice so I thank you for providing at least one good data point to prove it. A bended elbow to you sir from Dallas, Texas
drmack911 1 year ago
Is this in Holland?
gitargud7 1 year ago
I pooped myself a little bit watching this video. I've always wanted to fly but I don't think I got the sack for it. I can't even handle being on a roller coaster.
liquid3600 1 year ago
HOLY CRAP! Now that is freaking scary. Man I cannot imagine how terrifying that must have been. Damn that fence, you had almost pulled a gold brick out of a ****house there, damn nice flying, way to keep your cool. Much respect!
vonjager 1 year ago
keep flyin
moevonhawk 1 year ago
Just found this. Good work!. I have been flying for 25 years and have been fortunate to never come across a flat spin. Can you please give me the recovery method? . ie is it just forward stick and opposite
aileron. Would power of helped in the recovery if it was available?
mikewebb111 1 year ago
Hi Mike,thanks for your comment.
Flat spin recovery:
Full opposite rudder; IN TURN aileron; neutral/forward elevator,depending on a/c type.The recovery was delayed on this a/c due to partial blanking of the elevator which I held full forward.
In-turn aileron was the key to recovery on this a/c, it was the only control that had any loading/aerodynamic effect.Depending on the type of a/c full power with flat spin recovery settings MAY accelerate recovery
Beggs Mueller may work in some a/c.
goncstube 1 year ago
Extraordinary. This should set an example for all aviators, aspiring and veteran alike, to remain calm and handle yourself well in extreme situations.
fange276 1 year ago 23
Hi, Thanks for your comment.
A calm analytical mind is certainly what saved the day, alongside a good knowledge of aerodynamics and enough altitude!!
Happy landings.
goncstube 1 year ago 3
@goncstube The script of TOP GUN called for a flat spin at one point. A popular airo-acrobat was hired to proform it. He fell past the recovery altitude and radioed the following message; "I have a problem...... A REAL problem...". His plane went down in the pacific ocean and neither it nor his body were ever recovered.
TheBigFuckingGun32 1 year ago
@goncstube
A good knowledge of aerodynamics would have kept you from getting into a flat spin
happy forced landings
seffydabeffy 1 year ago
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@goncstube
A good knowledge of aerodynamics would have kept you from getting into a flat spin
happy forced landings
seffydabeffy 1 year ago
Glad you're okay. How long did it take for rescuers to find you? That looks like a very secluded area but I did see some boats.
TonyAirlines 1 year ago 2
Hi Tony,
I eventually got a Mayday out via a commercial flight relay, I believe the emergency services were also alerted by witnesses at Tollesbury village close by. The Police Air Support Heli' got to me in about 20 minutes. Great work by all the emergency services, fantastic support.
Happy landings.
goncstube 1 year ago 4
ouch!
niflap 1 year ago
Way to keep your head and never give up! What happened to your plane?
kpt8880google 1 year ago 5
Thanks for the comment.
G-ONCS was repaired and back flying in about 7 months.
goncstube 1 year ago 3
I'm curious as to why the engine stopped? In my knowledge, stalls/spins only stall the wings, not the engine. Did you cut the engine because you knew you weren't going to be able to recover and had to make an emergency landing?
xoneverwantedme 1 year ago
Hi,
The engine stopped due to a "rich cut", this happens when the throttle is opened quickly and the mixture is too rich for the engine to burn.This had never been a problem before,and I believe airflow disturbance due to the rate of spin was a contributing factor.The carburettor was sent back to the manufacturers for inspection,but no faults were found.The engine does not have an electric starter,so without enough altitude to airstart the engine I was committed to a landing.
goncstube 1 year ago
Holy shite! That got my heart racing a bit towards the end, though nothing like what it must have been like for anyone in the plane! I thought they were doing it on purpose. Towards the end...I was like "Okay, turn on the engine any time now. Whenever you're ready! No time LIKE THE PRESENT! TURN the DAMN ENGINE ON, you FOOL!! AAHHHHH!!!!!!"
I think that's the first "in-car" video I've seen of a plane crash. I'm glad everyone was okay, whether it was a miracle or not. I'd be religious if I flew!
justforever96 1 year ago
Glad that you're alright. I'm curious as to whether or not you're still flying after an incident such as this?
erasetheend000 1 year ago
Hi and thanks for the comment. Yes I am still flying in this aircraft, other single engine types and commercially.The incident was disturbing,but as with any experience it provides us with knowledge that we can take away with us.If you get a shock off of an electric appliance because you got it wet, it shouldn't stop you using them, but know not to get them wet!
I posted this video for this very reason,knowledge and experience arm you with the tools to survive.I still love flying.
goncstube 1 year ago 5
@AndrewRice20 It's not a miracle. It's a narrow escape, indeed, but why do people insist on calling every narrow escape a "miracle" and attribute it to "someone" rather than the pilot actually in control of the aircraft?...
romkyns 1 year ago
So presumably you tried the usual rudder inputs but the aircraft didn't respond quickly enough or something? I suppose it's hard to remember what you did after such an experience, let alone 2 years later... Anyway, glad you made it!
romkyns 1 year ago
@romkyns Actually, found a very detailed analysis of the incident which answers my question in a lot of detail. Interesting read! Find it by googling for "Tipsy Nipper T.66 Series 3 Nipper, G-ONCS".
romkyns 1 year ago
@romkyns
Hi. Normal spin recovery inputs don't normally work in a flat spin, I did try them twice, but with no response, that is when you hear me say "I think this is it". But I am not one for giving up, so reasoned the ailerons may be the answer as they were the only control with any loading on them. In-turn aileron provides drag to help oppose the yaw of the flat spin, which was the key to recovery in my case.
The day is still very much in my memory!
Thanks for the comment.
goncstube 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing the experience, I recieved spin training for my CFII however this indeed is creepy, and makes for a great training video especially about flat spins.
djtorule 1 year ago
Hi, Thanks for posting the comment. I am pleased it helped with your training, that is the only reason it is on youtube. Have you tried flat spinning and recovery? If you are going to do aero's then it is a very good idea.
All the best.
goncstube 1 year ago
superior piloting skills. glad you walked away from it.
pcramil 1 year ago
Thanks.
goncstube 1 year ago
Way to stay calm. You also didn't have to thank some imaginary person in the sky for making it out of that alive. Nice work.
DrOuchie 1 year ago 2
Thanks.
goncstube 1 year ago
@TheCorsican
Good luck with the aero's........speed or altitude, preferably both for normal flight.........aero's take you into the corners!
goncstube 1 year ago
OMG what a crazy landing! awesome skills man
generalzod4life 1 year ago
@generalzod4life
Thanks for your comments. Happy landings.
goncstube 1 year ago
You are one lucky man,,, you where able to recover form that flat spin.
Its good that your alive.
aerobatic500 1 year ago
@aerobatic500
Thanks.
goncstube 1 year ago
Great recovery, that could have been very bad.
norcalsurfer 1 year ago
@norcalsurfer
Thanks, the important bit was staying calm!
goncstube 1 year ago
WOW
EasternMerchant 1 year ago
wow great job. im a student pilot and i thank you for posting this. it really helps me understand the characteristics of a flat stall. i also saw your discussion video and i realize how this flat spin began, i gues you cant trust the plane 100%. Wow and you say you recovered at 700!! i get scared recovering at 2,000 hehe. well great recovery from that stall. thanks for posting and have fun flying that nice plane of yours. :)
rambocivilairpatrol 1 year ago
@rambocivilairpatrol
The spin is on youtube purely for education purposes, it is great you found it and can gain something from it. thanks for the comment.
goncstube 1 year ago
landing sounded a bit heavy? but any dead stick landing you can walk away from is good landing. I hope you were ok?
GrizzlyGunsmith99 1 year ago
@GrizzlyGunsmith99
The landing would have been fine but for the invisible fence that got in the way. DOH!!
goncstube 1 year ago
I shat myself just watching this. Glad you managed to get out alright.
Galm2 1 year ago
this is a very good video for all of us in aviation and I will never spin an aircraft without an electric starter
7835212 2 years ago
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Moobradidi, Why don't you put down your Playskills logbook, and your plastic Captain's hat and wings that you won when you logged 100 hours playing flight simulator. Then, go to your local FBO, and dig deep in your tighty-whiteys for your man parts. If you find anything at all, sign up for flight lessons. Until then, your just another asswife, with a big mouth. This guy is lucky to be alive, and the video may save lives.
neverdullboy 2 years ago 4
Glad you're okay. I think that having the video on here is a good thing. Good luck, safe flying.
CR4ZYHOR5E 2 years ago
With reference to removing this video, my personal opinion is that it should remain on this website, purely to educate those who fail to consider the consequences of spin entry.
EpicMc1 2 years ago
why didn't the prop start spinning once he got out of the stall and dropped the nose? also some clarification on what he did to get it into a flat spin from a regular spin?
mvp2014 2 years ago 2
Hi,
To get the engine turning again needs a much higher speed.
The use of pro' spin aileron, rapid rudder input and operating the a/c with the CofG close to the rear limit was enough to make the spin go flat immediately.Normally full power with up elevator and out-turn aileron is needed to get an erect spin to go flat.
goncstube 2 years ago
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I also note from the TV vid that you were looking for a cheap plane for aeros. In aviation cheap usually means dangerous and in aeros it usually means death. If that ground had been harder (you said there was water off yr crashed left wingtip) then u might already be dead. If your firewall fuel tank had cracked u would be very crispy. If u had inverted in shallow water u cld have drowned. Get a real aero a/c, a chute, some advanced training & u might live. But no more BS "there i was.." videos.
moobradidi 2 years ago
You were not there,you have your own interpretation of the situation and timing of decisions and are very vocal at airing them.The video stays,as from feedback via this column and other forums it has done exactly what I had hoped:open discussion and awareness of flat spins and recovery.You don't know me,fame is not what the video was posted for.I have admitted my mistakes,but I will be buggered if I am going to be bullied by a very self opinionated and vocal "expert".
goncstube 2 years ago 2
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neverdullboy 2 years ago
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You would be best served removing this video because it does not encourage pilots to use the right tools and processes for aerobatics. It is a thinly veiled piece of exhibitionism designed to make you look like a gifted pilot whereas you lack the airmanship that would have prevented this crash in the first place. Chuck Yeager said "All aiplanes kill fools" & you are one lucky fool who just won't admit his foolishness. I see u still fly this plane with no chute/BRS or restart ability. Brilliant.
moobradidi 2 years ago
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Real story: U fluked exiting the spin, looked ahead, saw no hope, turned left as most pilots instinctively would and took what you had (zero). For 20 mis u were trapped in a crashed, inverted a/c that could have been leaking fuel and you wouldn't know until the bang. Must have been a lot of fun, strapped in waiting to burn. This is not an educational video since it educates us to use wrong planes with wrong capabilities without safety marginsa and then seek notoriety rather than accept idiocy.
moobradidi 2 years ago