Poland - nazi alliance...? Finland attacked first...? Baltics...? Wow, far out. LOL!!!! Your version of "historical truth" rock's!!! Ja pierdole, kopara opada;-D They teach u that in shool?! But don't worry, people in the west are totally brainwashed too. To grasp that took me much longer than WTC7 collapse.
@realIBeliX Part1. I believe Stalin was worse even though Hitler murdered 5 times more Poles than him. Stalin was genius of evil. In continuation of Lenin's mission (screw up of entire world) turned Russia into true hell on earth, vast slave labor camp. Holodomor - 3 times more dead than in holocaust (and a lot faster). "Wonders" collectivisation and industrialisation (milions of dead) for creation biggest and most advanced army in the world. Step by step creating situation for ...
@realIBeliX Part 2. ... WW2 to brake out. Plan was to worn out west in huge war and then conquer Europe with full scale assault. Stalin provided germas with proving grounds for luftwaffe and panzerwaffe to bypass treaty of Versailles. Helped Hitler (nicknamed back then "Icebreaker of the revolution") size power (by preventing alliance between communist block and social democrats) Stalin gave green light to attack by signing Molotov–Ribbentrop pact. Druing Hitler's campaigns in west..
@nuwa81 Molotov-Ribbentrop? French and Brits had same pact with nazis since 1938 – paying it with poor Czech)) Poland had ALLIANCE with nazis since 1934))
@realIBeliX Part 3. ...Stalin sent to Germany vast quantities of oil, food and raw materials. Meanwhile "father of nations" attacked Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and Finland. Spreading terror, death and destruction. Stalin wanted to obliterate Poland (and other states) - polish communists where called to Moscow shortly before war for "consultations" and never heard of again. Policy was changed after Hitler's preemptive invasion on june 22 1941. Soviet peoples ...
@nuwa81 Finland? Do you know, that FInland attacked first? Finnish occupied Russian territories already before, they were 30 kilos from Leningrad.
USSR by march of 1940 BREACHED Finnish defences EVERYWHERE - and Finish goverment realised that couple of weeks - and USSR will take entire country under control.
THEY - FINLAND OFFERED PEACE - because they LOST that war. Finland LOST TERRITORIES.
@nuwa81 Baltics? It is called police action, dummy. At that time, baltics were ruled by dictators, like Ulmanis in Latvia. They were pro-nazi and banned elections, didnt allow referendums. People saw chance to get deocratic by allowing vote for Communist parties, and USSR did police action. Russia even spent 32 million Reichsmarks to by off Lithuania lands from Germans. We helped them.
@realIBeliX Part 4. ...greeted Germans as liberators but scale of nazi terror quickly dispelled that illusion. For me Stalin is not a hero of Russia. Who is? Soldier from penal batalion who fearlessly assault MG nest through minefield. Gulag slave who willingly tried to fulfill impossible norms to help war effort. Young officer who gave his head to thugs from smersh or nkvd in order to protect his veteran soldiers. Captured partisan who after days of tortures said only insults,etc...
So far I lost any respect I had for RT, as a balt knowing the true history and hearing all they're anti baltic bullshit stories they regularly present.
Who asked the Jews to give their opinion. The Jewish Bolshiviks raped Latvia. If the Jews don't like the SS picnicking in Latvian parks, the should go to Israel and monitor the parks there.
Stalinism and Nazism are almost equal. But not Communism and Nazism.
Stalin's totalitarian falsification of Marxism Leninism is indeed evil, but Communism is not Stalinism. If Latvia would say that Stalinism is equal to Nazism i could agree. But they say that Communism is equal to Nazism and that is what I oppose.
Communism is not a totalitarian ideology. Communism is a democratic ideal only abused by Stalin and others. They can equal Stalin with Hitler, but not Karl Marx and Lenin with Hitler
Stalinism and Nazism are almost equal. But not Communism and Nazism.
Stalin's totalitarian falsification of Marxism Leninism is indeed evil, but Communism is not Stalinism. If Latvia would say that Stalinism is equal to Nazism i could agree. But they say that Communism is equal to Nazism and that is what I oppose.
Communism is not a totalitarian ideology. Communism is a democratic ideal only abused by Stalin and others. They equal Stalin with Hitler, but not Karl Marx and Lenin with Hitler.
Stalinism is indeed just as evil as Nazism. If they would call Stalin equal to Hitler I would support it. But to say that communism is equal to nazism is wrong.
The media of the bourgeoisie, together with the anticommunist movement is trying to portray communism to be equal evil as Nazism. And that is what I hate. Marxism Leninism has nothing to do with the Stalinist occupation of Baltic republics.
But those who rule Russia today are the old Stalinists, they just accepted capitalism.
RT ... you must be the sickest news media that ever existed. As much distorted coverage as the communists themselves... in China, N.Korea, Cuba. At least China is trying to help its people. The Baltics are against all nazism and communism, and do not want your fellow russians there. RT, take your russian fellow people home back to russia. Why do you keep pushing the russification of the Baltics? Because you need access to the Baltic sea. RT is nothing but kriev propoganda.
First, it's a Russian news broadcast, so you're not going to hear the truth anyway. Communism= Naziism? Yes and no. Both are totalitarian. However, communism was far worse. The jews are upset about this, because there were lots of jews in the communist party. They should shut the fuck up and look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Then you can cry about fascism.
you are absolutely right, chapaev, but you have no slightest chances to persuade people like montfaucon. they know some lies from movies, comics, and their surroundings and they will keep repeating the same crap all the time.
calm down. you look histerical. incorporating or separating another country happened many times in the history, happens now, and will happen in the future.
The fact that you have to ask "is sending capitalists to Siberia inhumane" settles all doubt about your bigotry.
Yes, nothing is inhospitable in Siberia when you have a house to live in. Unfortunately the Soviets have a nasty history of discharging their slave cargoes in the middle of a vast tundra with nothing. Then winter would come in a few months later!
Have fun with your legacy, the Baltic Peoples will never forget!
yeah right.. here we go again.. Baltic states = NAZI supporters. This video is another brainwashing for russian retards who rather choose to believe this boolshit than try to study real history. Suck my hairy latvian balls u russian faggots!
Thankfully the freedom of speech has prevailed in that you can not respond violently to any responses posted here.
Your nostalgia for the good ol'Soviet Life is your decision. Do not force it on others.
An independent Latvia will happily remind you of the evil deeds that your grandfathers did to our country, and there is nothing that you nor a "greater Russia" can do about it!
Any actions will be seen as bullying by the EU, NATO and the US. These are true friends.
However Latvia has NEVER been a fascist country, nor does it support that sort of garbage from misanthropic creatures!
I agree with you that the sacrifices that your people country made during that war to defeat Nazism must be honored. However, the loss of independence and freedom for the Baltics states must not be honored, but rather abhorred.
Your people did not bring freedom to eastern europe. That is your legacy.
Don't worry so much about your country being slandered. Instead, use criticism to learn what others think. I have lived/worked in a few of those countries the Soviets 'imprisoned.' Some people there will tell you it was wonderful; others will say their lives were stolen by Soviet system. Yeah, drug addiction in West is bad for some people, but at least they have a choice.
Falsify history? No one disputes the contribution that the USSR made to defeating Nazi Germany.
The Baltic States are correct in equating the Nazi Regime and the USSR regime in that they: 1) murdered innocent people (albeit in a different fashion, but murder is still murder) and 2) eliminated Baltic independence.
It is funny to see that your kind are still very hypersensitive to this painful history! Keep on speaking out, it is only going to help the Baltic Cause!
Equating USSR to Nazi Germany is Holocaust denial?
You are right, the USSR never did commit industrialized slaughter of any peoples. However, murdering innocent Baltic people and incorporating their independent countries is still wrong.
So yes, to the Baltic peoples, the USSR is no different than Nazi Germany. Both countries wanted to wipe the Baltic states off of the map.
Yeah, I don't think "industrialized slaughter of over 10 million people" is verifiable, nor is the 6 million that is always reported. I'm not saying that it did or didn't happen, only that exact numbers are not provable. The victors always write the history...and invent the numbers...and use the results to benefit themselves, politically.
Both Nazi and Commie regimes were destructive to people, perhaps equally so, but in slightly different ways. And perhaps both had good aspects to them. But we should learn, move-on, and not repeat past mistakes. People in Germany today don't revere nazism; so I find it strange that Russians still think it was ok to enslave a significant portion of the world's population in soviet socialism.
It all distracts from whom the real culprits were, to people everywhere around the world: organized capital and 'internationalist,' nefarious political meddlers and manipulators originating in Britain and US. Even ordinary Brits and Americans fell victim to their scheming; neither wanted war anymore than Germans, Russians or others did.
I agree with Latvia, Stalnism is the same as Nazism. They both killed hundreds of thousands of their own people. Both one party rule, both totalitarian states, so I totally agree. Stalin commited mass murder on a larger scale than Hitler.
you judge like a prophet who knows all. but you don't, you just pretend to be. and that's shitty. you better say why north american indeans were subtotally murdered in one form or another. why were the survivors placed in reservations? by estimation, most democratic country directly killed or prevented births of 100 mln indeans. that was real genocide and artrocities. not invented ones.
Well, yes it's true the Indians were killed and it was genocide there is no denying that. This still dosen't take away in modern history Stalin's murder of millions of his fellow Russians and eliminated the officer's in the Russian army. He committed mass murder and genocide. Not to mention the harsh treatment of the eastern european countries by Russian's. The Baltic people have a good reason to keep mother Russia far away : )
i am sure you are prophecing from afar. so, you do not really know the situation in baltic republics. besides political (mostly verbal) hostilities that implicate rather thin stratas of politicians and extreme right-wingers in any of the countries much more importantly russian-baltic relations on the level of ordinary people, in fact, remain unchanged and friendly.
I would be happy to discuss the evils of American expansion with you. You can find my comments on another video that RT had produce not one week ago.
Unlike Russia, the USA has never denied what we have done. Why do you need to move off the subject? Are you not capable of answering the questions that I have posed?
"incorporating or separating another country happened many times in the history"... then do not be surprised when Latvia passes langauge requirements on the colonists!
Yes, Russian/Latvian relations were amicable between 1710-1905.
The term colonists is applicable due to 1) the forced incorporation into the USSR and 2) the intense Russification program thanks to the Molotov-Rippentrop pact. While you are also correct in that the Latvian language was allowed to be taught in schools, it was not to be taught to those colonists who were encouraged to migrate there during the occupation.
All investments the USSR made in Latvia does not justify the occupation!
1) There was no forcible incorporation into USSR - in Latvia and Lithuania was strong pro-USSR movements - only Estonia was aganisnt but they had choise - nazi or red army - they also choosed USSR in the end. In L and L was even elections and referendum - which btw was not perfomed there for 6 years to date.
2) Show me words in MRP about "intense russification"?
May be you don`t know that Baltic states in USSR had full autonomy, national languages, goverments, culture e t c - don`t you?
1) June 16, 1940 - the Soviet Union invaded Latvia, Estonia
June 19, 1940 - Vishinski visits Ulmanis again, this time, to deliver the list, pre-approved by Moscow, of the new members of the cabinet of the Latvian government.
June 20, 1940 - Ulmanis forced to approve pro-Soviet government which takes office. Jailed members of the formerly illegal communist party released. Public "processions of thanksgiving" organized in honor of Stalin.
July 5, 1940 - Decree issued announcing new elections; the Latvian democratic parties organize under the National Committee and attempt to participate.
July 9, 1940 - Vilis Lācis, the Soviet-appointed Minister of Internal Affairs, orders the National Committee shut down, its most prominent members deported. Deportations are already taking place from territory not (yet) part of the Soviet Union.
July 14-15, 1940 - Rigged elections held in Latvia and the other Baltic states. Only one pre-approved list of candidates was allowed for elections for the "People's Parliament". The ballots held following instructions: "Only the list of the Latvian Working People's Bloc must be deposited in the ballot box.
The ballot must be deposited without any changes." The alleged voter activity index was 97.6%. Most notably, the complete election results were published in Moscow 12 hours before the election closed. Soviet electoral documents found later substantiated that the results were completely fabricated. Tribunals were set up to punish "traitors to the people."
those who had fallen short of the "political duty" of voting Latvia into the USSR. Those who failed to have their passports stamped for so voting were allowed to be shot in the back of the head.
This was NOT a free and open election.
Nazi or Red Army were not choices, the Baltics wanted neither!
2) There are no words in MRP about "intense Russification," that started in 1949.
If the Baltic States had full autonomy, then why do the Russian Colonialists not speak any Baltic Language?
@murk2002 This is idiotic. History is more than figures. Who says we can only judge Hitler and Stalin by the number of casualties? Maybe Hitler was stopped before he could realize his plans. Under communism life was harsh but most people went to school, work, university, cinema, at ice creams, fell in love and started a family. Under Hitler ALL education was closed, villages were burned together with the inhabitants, every town and village had its gallows, women were raped in military brothels
@murk2002 people were beaten for not greeting a German officer, flogged publicly for coming late to work (flogging was abolished i n Russia in 1861), on one occasion peasants were apparently even shot for being able to read and write. 209 out of 290 Belarusian cities were in ruins. When did Stalin destroy cities? And that's nothing compared to what Hitler planned to do after the war. Moscow for instance had to be turned into a giant lake for Germans to relax in.
@murk2002 Also, the Gulags were labor camps where people died from the harsh living conditions, not killing camps like in Germany. BIG difference.
I'm not denying that Stalin was immensely brutal but people who say that he was as bad as Hitler are MORONS who don't know history and therefore swallow cheap demagoguery. Figures alone can NEVER tell a story you imbeciles.
@murk2002 That's not true. At all. Stalin was a murderer, but the highest logical estimate is 700,000 deliberatly killed people. Most of which were members of the Bolshevik party. What a joke you are. You can't compare hitler with stalin. I've talked to people who lived under Stalin.... And they loved it. That's why most old people in Russia are Stalinists..because they're the only ones who lived during Stalin's reign. (Btw, I oppose Leninism and Bolshevism)
that's quite understandable why latvians so eager to equalize nazism and comminism. in times of WW2 latvians were one of most zealous nazis supporters, ratio of SS members to total population was the highest after Germany. those SS wiped out all jewish population, actively participated in punitive operations against belorussian and russian population. cruelty of latvian SS overdo that of germans. so, current latvian authorities and population want to justify latvian SS by equalizing to comms
I agree. Freedom of Speech will also erase the nostalgia for the Soviet Union as well.
My wife was surprised that we would allow both the Soviet and Nazi Flags to be flown in this country.
Freedom of speech is a big deal in my country. It is fun to watch pro-communist and pro-fascist supporters speak out. They quickly lose all credibility!
I was in Latvia earlier this year--several times before that even--and I'll say that it's a wonderful country. I have some friends there. I like Estonia and Lithuania, too.
Maybe Baltics should eventually learn not to be so fearful about Russia. But maybe Russia should stop the propaganda about how "Stalin saved Baltics from Fascism."
he saved, and protected Russia from fascist entering through Baltic gates.
As you perhaps know from history, Baltic states have always been hostile to Russia while welcoming Germans, Swedes, Danes, teutons, allowing them to settle and invade Russia... So cleansing these territories once in a century really helps to educate them.
Now you see, once given freedom, they are already in an anti-Russian NATO block.
Unfortunately, this brilliant propaganda strategy will not have any effect on Kremlin policy, which will see this as little more than so much revisionist bla-bla-bla.
But, coupled with other incidents, it might actually play some role, however minor, in pushing Moscow towards even closer relations with Berlin. Let's see.
Since you can not distinguish between fascist collaborators, soviet collaborators, Latvian Nationalists and innocent Latvian people, then I was not surprised when Latvians from all walks of live were sent to supply the Kremlin cronies with slave labor.
Oh by the way, the answer to your question is yes, the Soviets were not discriminate in sending ANY Latvian to the east.
you blutantly lie. only nazi collaborators, SS members and their families were sent into Siberia. absolute majority of them survived, some returned to Latvia after serving their terms, others stayed in Russia.
How do you explain the 15,000 Latvians deported on 14 June 1941? Are they pre-Nazis, almost Nazis, or leverage?
By the way, if it is only SS men that commited these crimes, why deport the families as well? Or is that the way you administer justice, but getting rid of the whole family if you charge one person?
both would be good in the context. i do not remember dates but generally before war, after Latvia has rejoined USSR capitalist class was deported (by whole families) and some people from law enforcement forces and political elite that were known for persecution of working class, comminists, etc. btw, those persons were determined by new local latvian authorities along with NKVD. numbers of the deported were about what you said and they were not sent to GULAG but to special settlements.
Deporting innocent families is "good in this context"?????????? And you consider Latvians to be ignorant and fascist?
"Latvia rejoined the USSR capitalist class was deported" So, where were the trials? I thought that you only deported fascists. Do you not think that this was a system ripe for abuse?
"Determined by new local latvian authorities along with NKVD"... This is your sence of justice?
"Not sent to GULAG, but to special settlements"??
first, deporting does not mean murdering as latvian SS did in Belorussia and Russia. second, special settlements mean the deported got some money for settling down, they were free in their movements in the borders of district, etc. so, it's really uncomparable to GULAG and totally different of latvian concentration camps. how many camps did Latvia have on its territory in WW2? how many latvians served in?
Special Settlements, Free movements.... wow how sweet of the USSR!
How about the fact that these were innocent people that your countrymen sent to the far east in cattle cars!
There were not Latvian controlled camps on Latvian territory. They were set up and administered by the occupying Nazi regime. At least the Latvians have memorialized those Latvians who suffered under the despotic Nazi occupation!
The irony is you're becoming no more different than the Nazis. Most people in the Baltics speak Russian and there's nothing alien about it for them.
Some of these "states" simply exist ebcause they put someone else in an enemy's picture, and the West is known to exploit that for their own reasons rather than belief in "freedom and democracy".
Democracy, after all, starts and ends with putting a vote in a ballot box.
Democracy starts when all people have equal rights and powers, because, as you can see in American lands, when you have a fraud system of 2 elite parties, each having a list of corporate sponsors, and 2 stages of 'election', then noone can guarantee equal rights and powers. Oh, yes, you can have a gun, but FBI can wire-tap you, and oppress any demonstration. This is called corporate fascism.
While the various NATO states struggle to discover unity through self-serving historical revisionism against Target Russia, this latest propaganda strategy actually only serves to vindicate Stalin, and his truces with Hitler such as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
If the previously non-Axis members of NATO want to confirm to Russians that the SU had no reliable "allies" in the 30s, they are doing a great job.
"had the soviets not occupied latvia it is very likely the germans would have beaten russia" Really? In 1919, the Latvians fought off the Germans, they did not forget that in 1941. However, you refuse to recognize the Soviet Year of Terror.
"hitler ...promise of crushing "judeo-bolshevism" by conquering russia" if that were true, then why did Hitler give the Baltics to the Russians in 1939?
The cause of fascism is irrelevant to the Latvians, the fight against occupation is what matters.
If you dug a little deeper into Latvia history, you would find that they were an independant country before Stalin and Hitler divided Europe between them in 1939.
If you lived in Latvia during the year of terror, then you can understand why the Latvian people equate Stalin with Hitler.
However, if you agree with the Soviet Occupation (and colonization) of the Baltic States, then no more needs to be said.
RT, of all the people you interviewed, you have yet again chose Eduard Goncharov? Can you not find some other, fresh views of the ethnic Russians in Latvia?
Since many ethnic Russians can not come to grips to the Soviet occupation of the Baltic States, we will continue to proudly be a thorn in your side.
Finally, if you are going to talk about "Jewish" groups, do try to include a Jewish person with an opinion.
This is a low-cost tactic, one of few weapons the bankrupt Baltic state has left to poke Moscow in the eye with.
What's important to note, however, is that Latvia is not alone in its immoral historical revisionism, as this is all part of a coordinated propaganda strategy already initiated by the OSCE, probably in an effort to limit Russia's continued participation in that organisation.
The Russian Nation was the one who decided to give the Baltic States their freedom back, the only thing that they can learn from this is the fact that giving freedom to someone is not always rewarding.
when they were ocuupied in the first place there were no formed nations of latvians or ests and those tribes over there were successively occupied by germans, swedes, polls, and finally russians. in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed, and their culture, etc. just for your knowledge, undereducated. at what grade did you drop out of school?
If that is the case, then Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Slovenia, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo and Macedonia do not need to exsist since they all became independent countries after 1920, the same time as Latvia.
Also, the USSR did recognize the independence of Latvia as inviolable "for all future time" in 1920, so your notion "in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed" is irrelevant.
So yes, the Soviets are just as evil as the Nazis!
In Russia latvians estonians where formed CENTURIES before 1920 kid
As so as Finnish nation too
Czech Slov Romania Slovenia Hungary Croatia BH Serbia Macedonia NEVER was part of Russia as so as USSR - so your refer to events of 1920 is irrelevant
Your colleague wrote "when they were ocuupied...no formed nations of latvians or ests" followed by "in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed"
That implies that Latvia does not have the right to exsist because it was formed from Russian land. I argue that if Latvia doesn't have the right, then the other nations I mentioned (formed from Prussian and Austrian empires) fall in the same category because they were formed from other empires as well. So yes, it is very relevant.
Baltic states after MRP and WW2 got many lands from Prussia Czech and Poland - why don`t they give it beck too then huh?
btw - indeed Latvia got from RSFSR some lands too after WW2 - give them back then - as so as all investments of USSR into their economy - give back ports - factories - which btw in ruins
Only Lithuania received Vilnius (and surrounding areas) from Poland after the Soviet occupation. However you and I both know that Vilnius is the historical capitol, so that is not much of a deal. LatviaSSR "gave" Abrene (Pytalovo) to the Kremlin, and got nothing in return.
EstoniaSSR also"gave" the lands east of the Narva River, and also got nothing in return.
As for Soviet investments: Read up on the Plavinas Dam. That is a great example of how Latvia was not autonomous.
why do you think the fact that ests and latvians (lats) were formed as nations in Russia is irrelevant. just answer if it's true or not without speculations of irrelevancy.
your knowledge in history is deplorable. Latvia got independence (by agreement with bolsheviks pressed by germans) in 1918 . the same with Finland and Poland. Serbia got independent much earlier. Kosovo was a region in Serbia till 21st century. all the rest of mentioned by you countries were parts of austrian-hungarian empire and became independent with the fall of empire in 1918. so, yes, montfaucons are wicked as any other evil's creations.
You are incorrect. The Germans turned on the Latvians on 16 April 1919 and attempted to capture Latvia. It was through the help of Estonia, Poland and Lithuania that the Latvians signed the ceasefire with Russia.
As for Serbia, did you forget that the Austrians occupied that country in 1915, forcing the King to flee?
The point remains clear. Latvia fought and won its independence. The USSR signed a declaration stating Latvia's independence was inviolable "for all future time". Liars!
Similar systems, but Stalinism had way more victims than Nazism, it's just that the Nazis kept a better paper trail than the Communists, who were just lazy opportunists. Unfortunately, the world does not view the hammer-and-sickle the same as it does the swastika. This can be a result of the Russian Federation - the successor to the Soviet Union - of keeping evidence under lock and key. Why does Russia hide the truth of the past if we can all learn from it? They're rewriting the books I guess.
The victims' unearthed mass graves are the testament to the regime's crimes. The Soviet Union's legacy was the paranoia of its leadership, especially Stalin, which we see being adopted by the current political executives. Whereas Nazism exterminated many ethnic groups, including Jews, Stalinism targeted the Soviet people, with policies of cultural, religious and political repression. The Soviet Union had a much larger population of undesirables to kill than Nazi Germany. That is a fact.
That the USSR under Stalin was a autocratic and from 21 th century prospectiv brutal is a fact.
But how many people did Nazis kiled? 6 milion Jews, something like 27 milion Soviet pepole, 3 milion Poles, one milion Yugoslavs... Can you give me the numbers of people that were kiled under Stalin greater than that?
Are we talking civilian wartime casualties or combative casualties? I can offer, as civilian casualties, the Ukrainian Holodomor - a genocide orchestrated by Stalin's agricultural polices in 1930's that killed an estimated (because the exact figures are not confirmed, and Russia has classified as top secret) between 7 million to 10 million Ukrainians. If you dispute this historical chapter, then there is no sense talking to deniers of mass murder. btw: what group supports your figures?
I think most sources give somethink like 7 milions Red Army solders kiled so 20 milions are Soviet civilians. I don't know how meny Polish and Yugoslav solders died, but both wars were relativly short so most of this numbers are civilians.
I don't deny that many people died in famine and even if it would be as you say 10 milions it is still far from number of Nazi victms. Only USSE, YU, POL and Jews are more then 35 milions. To say that Stalin kiled more than that would be realy absurd.
But what about Stalin's indirect responsibility? Such as those that died in the gulags or other labor camps? Or those deaths that went unreported? Or the secret police that did his bidding? Stalin was the more brutal of the two and lasted in power much longer than Hitler. Stalin's victims included Jews, Poles, Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Hungarians, Roma (Gypsies), Tajiks, Tatars, and on, and on, and on...
I think most sources give somethink like 7 milions Red Army solders kiled so 20 milions are Soviet civilians. I don't know how much Polish and Yugoslav solders died, but both wars war relativly short so most of this numbers are civilians.
I don't deny that many people died in famine and even if it would be as you say 10 milions it is still far from number of Nazi victems.
Only USSR, YU, POL, and Jews are more then 35 milions. To say that Stalin kiled more than that would be realy absurd.
I'm not the one living in the past, glorifying wwII Soviet generals. And I believe it is transliterated as Zhukov. Read your propaganda, like a good little Soviet - it's mindless and you're good at it. Looking forward to the declassification of the Soviet archives. Maybe even you will realize who is the brainwashed moron. Maybe not.
I think that you don't know what you are talking about. of course communism was an unperfect system, but it wasn't a threat to most of european nations! that's why it lasted for such long period of time comparing to fascism. your country as far as i can remember was among the supporters of fascism.
Fact is that you are extremely dumb. No communism on this planet even lasted even for 5 minutes. USSR was Union of Soviet SOCIALISTIC Republics - we had NO communism EVER.
Oh god... Communism was so baaaad lets go kill ourselves.... why didn't they done this move right after they obtained "freedom"? Or was this dictated by west just now?
US, where majority of former Nazists came, today, making propaganda campaigns to equate communism and nazism. 100% this is work of the same criminals, who are glorifying nazism in Ukraine and Baltic States, who armed and financed another dictator Sukashvili, ingeneered 9/11 and began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for oil and drugs, under false pretexts.
Hitler wrote in his book that good leader need to be able to show all the enemies as one, so that nation doesn't feel like it has many enemies. Igor tryed to do that. He just wrote that USA, nazis, Ukraine, Baltic states, Sakashvili, Bush's goverment... behind them are the same people, the same enemy. Probably he would agree the with them are also chechen terorists, Ana Politkovska, some Russian oligarhs.... It would be good if he would be more spacific who are they. Jews are mostly useful.
You know what is most ironic... When I watch a video like this I know what the comments will be and that they are not worth to read them... but do I read them... Yes I do:)
fascinating :0 Can't we all just get along?? obviously, nobody is wielding weaponz :) so.........let history be that..........HIS-STORY, it's gone, yes, I do feel a bit awkward laying flowers on tombs of those that "might not deserve it in the anti-faschist's eyes'", but in my opinion, the only way to attain world peace is to live and learn, don't dwell in the past, and look at those "anti-faschists", there might be a "civil war??" fuck that shit, only if weapons get involved :p :) much love :)
Poland - nazi alliance...? Finland attacked first...? Baltics...? Wow, far out. LOL!!!! Your version of "historical truth" rock's!!! Ja pierdole, kopara opada;-D They teach u that in shool?! But don't worry, people in the west are totally brainwashed too. To grasp that took me much longer than WTC7 collapse.
nuwa81 1 day ago
Latvija, kaut ko pareizu dara?
Ko........
PsyJill 5 months ago
Darth Stalin was far worse...
nuwa81 8 months ago
@nuwa81 How?
realIBeliX 3 weeks ago
@realIBeliX In quite few ways. Want a list?
nuwa81 1 day ago
@nuwa81 Yes, please.
realIBeliX 1 day ago
@realIBeliX Part1. I believe Stalin was worse even though Hitler murdered 5 times more Poles than him. Stalin was genius of evil. In continuation of Lenin's mission (screw up of entire world) turned Russia into true hell on earth, vast slave labor camp. Holodomor - 3 times more dead than in holocaust (and a lot faster). "Wonders" collectivisation and industrialisation (milions of dead) for creation biggest and most advanced army in the world. Step by step creating situation for ...
nuwa81 1 day ago
@realIBeliX Part 2. ... WW2 to brake out. Plan was to worn out west in huge war and then conquer Europe with full scale assault. Stalin provided germas with proving grounds for luftwaffe and panzerwaffe to bypass treaty of Versailles. Helped Hitler (nicknamed back then "Icebreaker of the revolution") size power (by preventing alliance between communist block and social democrats) Stalin gave green light to attack by signing Molotov–Ribbentrop pact. Druing Hitler's campaigns in west..
nuwa81 1 day ago
@nuwa81 Molotov-Ribbentrop? French and Brits had same pact with nazis since 1938 – paying it with poor Czech)) Poland had ALLIANCE with nazis since 1934))
realIBeliX 1 day ago
@realIBeliX Part 3. ...Stalin sent to Germany vast quantities of oil, food and raw materials. Meanwhile "father of nations" attacked Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and Finland. Spreading terror, death and destruction. Stalin wanted to obliterate Poland (and other states) - polish communists where called to Moscow shortly before war for "consultations" and never heard of again. Policy was changed after Hitler's preemptive invasion on june 22 1941. Soviet peoples ...
nuwa81 1 day ago
@nuwa81 Finland? Do you know, that FInland attacked first? Finnish occupied Russian territories already before, they were 30 kilos from Leningrad.
USSR by march of 1940 BREACHED Finnish defences EVERYWHERE - and Finish goverment realised that couple of weeks - and USSR will take entire country under control.
THEY - FINLAND OFFERED PEACE - because they LOST that war. Finland LOST TERRITORIES.
realIBeliX 1 day ago
@nuwa81 Baltics? It is called police action, dummy. At that time, baltics were ruled by dictators, like Ulmanis in Latvia. They were pro-nazi and banned elections, didnt allow referendums. People saw chance to get deocratic by allowing vote for Communist parties, and USSR did police action. Russia even spent 32 million Reichsmarks to by off Lithuania lands from Germans. We helped them.
realIBeliX 1 day ago
@realIBeliX Part 4. ...greeted Germans as liberators but scale of nazi terror quickly dispelled that illusion. For me Stalin is not a hero of Russia. Who is? Soldier from penal batalion who fearlessly assault MG nest through minefield. Gulag slave who willingly tried to fulfill impossible norms to help war effort. Young officer who gave his head to thugs from smersh or nkvd in order to protect his veteran soldiers. Captured partisan who after days of tortures said only insults,etc...
nuwa81 1 day ago
@nuwa81 Stop feeding me your empty mantras )) Show me then documented facts made by court and only COURT if you say that these were crimes.
realIBeliX 1 day ago
@realIBeliX Part 5 Stalin was most evil tyrant of all time, who with his "marxism on steroids" almost killed very soul of your great people.
nuwa81 1 day ago
@VChapaev Never persecuted? You high d00d? learn some real history not your pro-bolshevik crap.
Trinivalts 10 months ago
So far I lost any respect I had for RT, as a balt knowing the true history and hearing all they're anti baltic bullshit stories they regularly present.
Trinivalts 10 months ago
Who asked the Jews to give their opinion. The Jewish Bolshiviks raped Latvia. If the Jews don't like the SS picnicking in Latvian parks, the should go to Israel and monitor the parks there.
epmer31 1 year ago
@epmer31 Couldn't say better myself, glad that people know some history.
Trinivalts 10 months ago
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booooring if you dont like nazis then dont support them that is dont be a carierist learn to make more children if not well prepare for war
ilgvars882 1 year ago
Stalinism and Nazism are almost equal. But not Communism and Nazism.
Stalin's totalitarian falsification of Marxism Leninism is indeed evil, but Communism is not Stalinism. If Latvia would say that Stalinism is equal to Nazism i could agree. But they say that Communism is equal to Nazism and that is what I oppose.
Communism is not a totalitarian ideology. Communism is a democratic ideal only abused by Stalin and others. They can equal Stalin with Hitler, but not Karl Marx and Lenin with Hitler
UDSS 1 year ago
Stalinism and Nazism are almost equal. But not Communism and Nazism.
Stalin's totalitarian falsification of Marxism Leninism is indeed evil, but Communism is not Stalinism. If Latvia would say that Stalinism is equal to Nazism i could agree. But they say that Communism is equal to Nazism and that is what I oppose.
Communism is not a totalitarian ideology. Communism is a democratic ideal only abused by Stalin and others. They equal Stalin with Hitler, but not Karl Marx and Lenin with Hitler.
UDSS 1 year ago
Same shit, Different Sides.
Ebildays 1 year ago
Stalinism is indeed just as evil as Nazism. If they would call Stalin equal to Hitler I would support it. But to say that communism is equal to nazism is wrong.
The media of the bourgeoisie, together with the anticommunist movement is trying to portray communism to be equal evil as Nazism. And that is what I hate. Marxism Leninism has nothing to do with the Stalinist occupation of Baltic republics.
But those who rule Russia today are the old Stalinists, they just accepted capitalism.
UDSS 1 year ago
The russian language is not welcome in any former soviet country
40bcoots 1 year ago
RT ... you must be the sickest news media that ever existed. As much distorted coverage as the communists themselves... in China, N.Korea, Cuba. At least China is trying to help its people. The Baltics are against all nazism and communism, and do not want your fellow russians there. RT, take your russian fellow people home back to russia. Why do you keep pushing the russification of the Baltics? Because you need access to the Baltic sea. RT is nothing but kriev propoganda.
40bcoots 1 year ago
FUCK RUSSIA AND FUCK ALL RUSSIANS!
pufycino 1 year ago
"Anti-Fascists are banned"
Haha, what pro-Russian bullshit.
Yeah, they have the right to equate the two.
Nazism: Being starved and killed out of racist ideology
Stalin-ism: Being starved and killed out of a corrupt central party's megalomania.
Russia can deny its history all it wants, but that doesn't change it.
underriot 2 years ago
First, it's a Russian news broadcast, so you're not going to hear the truth anyway. Communism= Naziism? Yes and no. Both are totalitarian. However, communism was far worse. The jews are upset about this, because there were lots of jews in the communist party. They should shut the fuck up and look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Then you can cry about fascism.
furtherdefinitions 2 years ago
stalinism =/= communism or marxism
fettergraf 2 years ago
you are absolutely right, chapaev, but you have no slightest chances to persuade people like montfaucon. they know some lies from movies, comics, and their surroundings and they will keep repeating the same crap all the time.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Since incorporating another country and murdering its people is not a "big deal" to you, no more discussion is needed!
At least the Nazis are dead!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
calm down. you look histerical. incorporating or separating another country happened many times in the history, happens now, and will happen in the future.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
The fact that you have to ask "is sending capitalists to Siberia inhumane" settles all doubt about your bigotry.
Yes, nothing is inhospitable in Siberia when you have a house to live in. Unfortunately the Soviets have a nasty history of discharging their slave cargoes in the middle of a vast tundra with nothing. Then winter would come in a few months later!
Have fun with your legacy, the Baltic Peoples will never forget!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
yeah right.. here we go again.. Baltic states = NAZI supporters. This video is another brainwashing for russian retards who rather choose to believe this boolshit than try to study real history. Suck my hairy latvian balls u russian faggots!
Archiitis16 2 years ago
Thankfully the freedom of speech has prevailed in that you can not respond violently to any responses posted here.
Your nostalgia for the good ol'Soviet Life is your decision. Do not force it on others.
An independent Latvia will happily remind you of the evil deeds that your grandfathers did to our country, and there is nothing that you nor a "greater Russia" can do about it!
Any actions will be seen as bullying by the EU, NATO and the US. These are true friends.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
You can not tolerate these comments all you like.
However Latvia has NEVER been a fascist country, nor does it support that sort of garbage from misanthropic creatures!
I agree with you that the sacrifices that your people country made during that war to defeat Nazism must be honored. However, the loss of independence and freedom for the Baltics states must not be honored, but rather abhorred.
Your people did not bring freedom to eastern europe. That is your legacy.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Don't worry so much about your country being slandered. Instead, use criticism to learn what others think. I have lived/worked in a few of those countries the Soviets 'imprisoned.' Some people there will tell you it was wonderful; others will say their lives were stolen by Soviet system. Yeah, drug addiction in West is bad for some people, but at least they have a choice.
Shall we talk about alcoholism in Russia?
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
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vbyuer 2 years ago
LOL
Latvian Trash were busy supporting the Nazis
RussianDefender100 2 years ago
Nice defence, try something new.
Your colleagues are doing a hell of a job reinforcing the Independent Baltic position.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Falsify history? No one disputes the contribution that the USSR made to defeating Nazi Germany.
The Baltic States are correct in equating the Nazi Regime and the USSR regime in that they: 1) murdered innocent people (albeit in a different fashion, but murder is still murder) and 2) eliminated Baltic independence.
It is funny to see that your kind are still very hypersensitive to this painful history! Keep on speaking out, it is only going to help the Baltic Cause!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago 2
Equating USSR to Nazi Germany is Holocaust denial?
You are right, the USSR never did commit industrialized slaughter of any peoples. However, murdering innocent Baltic people and incorporating their independent countries is still wrong.
So yes, to the Baltic peoples, the USSR is no different than Nazi Germany. Both countries wanted to wipe the Baltic states off of the map.
Thank God your side lost!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Yeah, I don't think "industrialized slaughter of over 10 million people" is verifiable, nor is the 6 million that is always reported. I'm not saying that it did or didn't happen, only that exact numbers are not provable. The victors always write the history...and invent the numbers...and use the results to benefit themselves, politically.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Both Nazi and Commie regimes were destructive to people, perhaps equally so, but in slightly different ways. And perhaps both had good aspects to them. But we should learn, move-on, and not repeat past mistakes. People in Germany today don't revere nazism; so I find it strange that Russians still think it was ok to enslave a significant portion of the world's population in soviet socialism.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
It all distracts from whom the real culprits were, to people everywhere around the world: organized capital and 'internationalist,' nefarious political meddlers and manipulators originating in Britain and US. Even ordinary Brits and Americans fell victim to their scheming; neither wanted war anymore than Germans, Russians or others did.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
I agree with Latvia, Stalnism is the same as Nazism. They both killed hundreds of thousands of their own people. Both one party rule, both totalitarian states, so I totally agree. Stalin commited mass murder on a larger scale than Hitler.
murk2002 2 years ago 5
you judge like a prophet who knows all. but you don't, you just pretend to be. and that's shitty. you better say why north american indeans were subtotally murdered in one form or another. why were the survivors placed in reservations? by estimation, most democratic country directly killed or prevented births of 100 mln indeans. that was real genocide and artrocities. not invented ones.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Well, yes it's true the Indians were killed and it was genocide there is no denying that. This still dosen't take away in modern history Stalin's murder of millions of his fellow Russians and eliminated the officer's in the Russian army. He committed mass murder and genocide. Not to mention the harsh treatment of the eastern european countries by Russian's. The Baltic people have a good reason to keep mother Russia far away : )
murk2002 2 years ago
i am sure you are prophecing from afar. so, you do not really know the situation in baltic republics. besides political (mostly verbal) hostilities that implicate rather thin stratas of politicians and extreme right-wingers in any of the countries much more importantly russian-baltic relations on the level of ordinary people, in fact, remain unchanged and friendly.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
I would be happy to discuss the evils of American expansion with you. You can find my comments on another video that RT had produce not one week ago.
Unlike Russia, the USA has never denied what we have done. Why do you need to move off the subject? Are you not capable of answering the questions that I have posed?
"incorporating or separating another country happened many times in the history"... then do not be surprised when Latvia passes langauge requirements on the colonists!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Colonists? Latvian-Russian relations was established centuries ago - and there is wide mix of languages
In Russia and USSR baltic states has their own languages officialy as so as schools e t c
Actualy - in USSR baltic states was privileged as not even Russia itself - they was "little europe" inside Soviet Union
And actualy if we count all investments USSR made into baltics - it will be TRILLIONS of $
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Yes, Russian/Latvian relations were amicable between 1710-1905.
The term colonists is applicable due to 1) the forced incorporation into the USSR and 2) the intense Russification program thanks to the Molotov-Rippentrop pact. While you are also correct in that the Latvian language was allowed to be taught in schools, it was not to be taught to those colonists who were encouraged to migrate there during the occupation.
All investments the USSR made in Latvia does not justify the occupation!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
1) There was no forcible incorporation into USSR - in Latvia and Lithuania was strong pro-USSR movements - only Estonia was aganisnt but they had choise - nazi or red army - they also choosed USSR in the end. In L and L was even elections and referendum - which btw was not perfomed there for 6 years to date.
2) Show me words in MRP about "intense russification"?
May be you don`t know that Baltic states in USSR had full autonomy, national languages, goverments, culture e t c - don`t you?
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Explain MRP
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Molotov-Rebintrop pact
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Thanks. I wanted to make sure that you did not mean Marksistskaya Rabochaya Partiya
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
1) June 16, 1940 - the Soviet Union invaded Latvia, Estonia
June 19, 1940 - Vishinski visits Ulmanis again, this time, to deliver the list, pre-approved by Moscow, of the new members of the cabinet of the Latvian government.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
June 20, 1940 - Ulmanis forced to approve pro-Soviet government which takes office. Jailed members of the formerly illegal communist party released. Public "processions of thanksgiving" organized in honor of Stalin.
July 5, 1940 - Decree issued announcing new elections; the Latvian democratic parties organize under the National Committee and attempt to participate.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
July 9, 1940 - Vilis Lācis, the Soviet-appointed Minister of Internal Affairs, orders the National Committee shut down, its most prominent members deported. Deportations are already taking place from territory not (yet) part of the Soviet Union.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
July 14-15, 1940 - Rigged elections held in Latvia and the other Baltic states. Only one pre-approved list of candidates was allowed for elections for the "People's Parliament". The ballots held following instructions: "Only the list of the Latvian Working People's Bloc must be deposited in the ballot box.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
The ballot must be deposited without any changes." The alleged voter activity index was 97.6%. Most notably, the complete election results were published in Moscow 12 hours before the election closed. Soviet electoral documents found later substantiated that the results were completely fabricated. Tribunals were set up to punish "traitors to the people."
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
those who had fallen short of the "political duty" of voting Latvia into the USSR. Those who failed to have their passports stamped for so voting were allowed to be shot in the back of the head.
This was NOT a free and open election.
Nazi or Red Army were not choices, the Baltics wanted neither!
2) There are no words in MRP about "intense Russification," that started in 1949.
If the Baltic States had full autonomy, then why do the Russian Colonialists not speak any Baltic Language?
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
@murk2002 This is idiotic. History is more than figures. Who says we can only judge Hitler and Stalin by the number of casualties? Maybe Hitler was stopped before he could realize his plans. Under communism life was harsh but most people went to school, work, university, cinema, at ice creams, fell in love and started a family. Under Hitler ALL education was closed, villages were burned together with the inhabitants, every town and village had its gallows, women were raped in military brothels
RussianBarbarian 1 year ago
@murk2002 people were beaten for not greeting a German officer, flogged publicly for coming late to work (flogging was abolished i n Russia in 1861), on one occasion peasants were apparently even shot for being able to read and write. 209 out of 290 Belarusian cities were in ruins. When did Stalin destroy cities? And that's nothing compared to what Hitler planned to do after the war. Moscow for instance had to be turned into a giant lake for Germans to relax in.
RussianBarbarian 1 year ago
@murk2002 Also, the Gulags were labor camps where people died from the harsh living conditions, not killing camps like in Germany. BIG difference.
I'm not denying that Stalin was immensely brutal but people who say that he was as bad as Hitler are MORONS who don't know history and therefore swallow cheap demagoguery. Figures alone can NEVER tell a story you imbeciles.
RussianBarbarian 1 year ago
@murk2002 That's not true. At all. Stalin was a murderer, but the highest logical estimate is 700,000 deliberatly killed people. Most of which were members of the Bolshevik party. What a joke you are. You can't compare hitler with stalin. I've talked to people who lived under Stalin.... And they loved it. That's why most old people in Russia are Stalinists..because they're the only ones who lived during Stalin's reign. (Btw, I oppose Leninism and Bolshevism)
AirportSheriff 9 months ago
@murk2002 And i oppose Stalinism, ect.
AirportSheriff 9 months ago
that's quite understandable why latvians so eager to equalize nazism and comminism. in times of WW2 latvians were one of most zealous nazis supporters, ratio of SS members to total population was the highest after Germany. those SS wiped out all jewish population, actively participated in punitive operations against belorussian and russian population. cruelty of latvian SS overdo that of germans. so, current latvian authorities and population want to justify latvian SS by equalizing to comms
mikkitiny 2 years ago
i love multiculturalism it will erase fascist behavior from the Baltic.
Estonianbeauty 2 years ago
I agree. Freedom of Speech will also erase the nostalgia for the Soviet Union as well.
My wife was surprised that we would allow both the Soviet and Nazi Flags to be flown in this country.
Freedom of speech is a big deal in my country. It is fun to watch pro-communist and pro-fascist supporters speak out. They quickly lose all credibility!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago 2
RT spreads the Zionist holocaust propaganda. Good job RT!
The Zionists will reward you well by destroying Russian ethnicity!
Stalin DID slaughtered millions, but Hitler was framed by the Zionists. The holocaust is a huge hoax.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
it's all dirty british and american hands there, they are working as PR advisors in Ukraine, Georgia and Baltics.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
I was in Latvia earlier this year--several times before that even--and I'll say that it's a wonderful country. I have some friends there. I like Estonia and Lithuania, too.
Maybe Baltics should eventually learn not to be so fearful about Russia. But maybe Russia should stop the propaganda about how "Stalin saved Baltics from Fascism."
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
he saved, and protected Russia from fascist entering through Baltic gates.
As you perhaps know from history, Baltic states have always been hostile to Russia while welcoming Germans, Swedes, Danes, teutons, allowing them to settle and invade Russia... So cleansing these territories once in a century really helps to educate them.
Now you see, once given freedom, they are already in an anti-Russian NATO block.
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drmondman1 2 years ago
Unfortunately, this brilliant propaganda strategy will not have any effect on Kremlin policy, which will see this as little more than so much revisionist bla-bla-bla.
But, coupled with other incidents, it might actually play some role, however minor, in pushing Moscow towards even closer relations with Berlin. Let's see.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
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Paulina86 2 years ago
No, what's important is to hate Russia, at least to you, anyway.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
Hating Russia is not the focus of this event.
Hating the Kremlin, the occupation and those that support the occupation is a different matter.
Russia is a beautiful country with a great people!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
occupation? you mean fascist occupation? Or Latvian collaboration with the nazi occupants? Gulag to fascist collaborators, you know!
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
I mean both occupations, Nazi and Soviet!
Since you can not distinguish between fascist collaborators, soviet collaborators, Latvian Nationalists and innocent Latvian people, then I was not surprised when Latvians from all walks of live were sent to supply the Kremlin cronies with slave labor.
Oh by the way, the answer to your question is yes, the Soviets were not discriminate in sending ANY Latvian to the east.
Happy Baltic Way Day!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
you blutantly lie. only nazi collaborators, SS members and their families were sent into Siberia. absolute majority of them survived, some returned to Latvia after serving their terms, others stayed in Russia.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Do you mean blatantly or bluntly?
How do you explain the 15,000 Latvians deported on 14 June 1941? Are they pre-Nazis, almost Nazis, or leverage?
By the way, if it is only SS men that commited these crimes, why deport the families as well? Or is that the way you administer justice, but getting rid of the whole family if you charge one person?
I love your sense of justice!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
both would be good in the context. i do not remember dates but generally before war, after Latvia has rejoined USSR capitalist class was deported (by whole families) and some people from law enforcement forces and political elite that were known for persecution of working class, comminists, etc. btw, those persons were determined by new local latvian authorities along with NKVD. numbers of the deported were about what you said and they were not sent to GULAG but to special settlements.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Deporting innocent families is "good in this context"?????????? And you consider Latvians to be ignorant and fascist?
"Latvia rejoined the USSR capitalist class was deported" So, where were the trials? I thought that you only deported fascists. Do you not think that this was a system ripe for abuse?
"Determined by new local latvian authorities along with NKVD"... This is your sence of justice?
"Not sent to GULAG, but to special settlements"??
At least the Nazis are freakin dead!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
first, deporting does not mean murdering as latvian SS did in Belorussia and Russia. second, special settlements mean the deported got some money for settling down, they were free in their movements in the borders of district, etc. so, it's really uncomparable to GULAG and totally different of latvian concentration camps. how many camps did Latvia have on its territory in WW2? how many latvians served in?
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Special Settlements, Free movements.... wow how sweet of the USSR!
How about the fact that these were innocent people that your countrymen sent to the far east in cattle cars!
There were not Latvian controlled camps on Latvian territory. They were set up and administered by the occupying Nazi regime. At least the Latvians have memorialized those Latvians who suffered under the despotic Nazi occupation!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
lol. you are cheap.
you understand that *good in this context* was to both *blatantly and bluntly*.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
The irony is you're becoming no more different than the Nazis. Most people in the Baltics speak Russian and there's nothing alien about it for them.
Some of these "states" simply exist ebcause they put someone else in an enemy's picture, and the West is known to exploit that for their own reasons rather than belief in "freedom and democracy".
Democracy, after all, starts and ends with putting a vote in a ballot box.
DNchap1417 2 years ago
Democracy starts when all people have equal rights and powers, because, as you can see in American lands, when you have a fraud system of 2 elite parties, each having a list of corporate sponsors, and 2 stages of 'election', then noone can guarantee equal rights and powers. Oh, yes, you can have a gun, but FBI can wire-tap you, and oppress any demonstration. This is called corporate fascism.
So ballot box is only an outdated symbol.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
Your brain was perished before you borned
Belorussian language is alive and well preserven inside USSR - as so as any native language
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
While the various NATO states struggle to discover unity through self-serving historical revisionism against Target Russia, this latest propaganda strategy actually only serves to vindicate Stalin, and his truces with Hitler such as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
If the previously non-Axis members of NATO want to confirm to Russians that the SU had no reliable "allies" in the 30s, they are doing a great job.
Let's hope this brilliant strategy continues.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
And it is the evil tragedy of that truce that the Latvians are remembering.
If it was not for that truce, the USSR would not have had the excuse to move into the Baltics and kill the innocent Latvian people.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
"had the soviets not occupied latvia it is very likely the germans would have beaten russia" Really? In 1919, the Latvians fought off the Germans, they did not forget that in 1941. However, you refuse to recognize the Soviet Year of Terror.
"hitler ...promise of crushing "judeo-bolshevism" by conquering russia" if that were true, then why did Hitler give the Baltics to the Russians in 1939?
The cause of fascism is irrelevant to the Latvians, the fight against occupation is what matters.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
fascism IS relevant to Latvia. the biggest after Germany participation in SS/100,000 population. it says everything.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
If you dug a little deeper into Latvia history, you would find that they were an independant country before Stalin and Hitler divided Europe between them in 1939.
If you lived in Latvia during the year of terror, then you can understand why the Latvian people equate Stalin with Hitler.
However, if you agree with the Soviet Occupation (and colonization) of the Baltic States, then no more needs to be said.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago 3
year of terror? what do you mean?
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Baltijos Kelias, Baltijas ceļš, Balti Kett!
RT, of all the people you interviewed, you have yet again chose Eduard Goncharov? Can you not find some other, fresh views of the ethnic Russians in Latvia?
Since many ethnic Russians can not come to grips to the Soviet occupation of the Baltic States, we will continue to proudly be a thorn in your side.
Finally, if you are going to talk about "Jewish" groups, do try to include a Jewish person with an opinion.
Happy Baltic Way Day!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Danute Dura? Muhahha! Nice name! On russian "Dura" means "fool girl". Muhahahaha!
Ninelon 2 years ago
This is a low-cost tactic, one of few weapons the bankrupt Baltic state has left to poke Moscow in the eye with.
What's important to note, however, is that Latvia is not alone in its immoral historical revisionism, as this is all part of a coordinated propaganda strategy already initiated by the OSCE, probably in an effort to limit Russia's continued participation in that organisation.
seseljsrs 2 years ago
What can I say about Latvia? IDIOTS!!!
Ninelon 2 years ago
Yes those who think that the Latvians fought to defend Fascism are idiots indeed!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
The Russian Nation was the one who decided to give the Baltic States their freedom back, the only thing that they can learn from this is the fact that giving freedom to someone is not always rewarding.
helion1b 2 years ago
If you did not occupy them in the first place, then you would not have an issue today!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
when they were ocuupied in the first place there were no formed nations of latvians or ests and those tribes over there were successively occupied by germans, swedes, polls, and finally russians. in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed, and their culture, etc. just for your knowledge, undereducated. at what grade did you drop out of school?
mikkitiny 2 years ago
If that is the case, then Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Slovenia, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo and Macedonia do not need to exsist since they all became independent countries after 1920, the same time as Latvia.
Also, the USSR did recognize the independence of Latvia as inviolable "for all future time" in 1920, so your notion "in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed" is irrelevant.
So yes, the Soviets are just as evil as the Nazis!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
In Russia latvians estonians where formed CENTURIES before 1920 kid
As so as Finnish nation too
Czech Slov Romania Slovenia Hungary Croatia BH Serbia Macedonia NEVER was part of Russia as so as USSR - so your refer to events of 1920 is irrelevant
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Your colleague wrote "when they were ocuupied...no formed nations of latvians or ests" followed by "in Russia the nations of latvians and ests were formed"
That implies that Latvia does not have the right to exsist because it was formed from Russian land. I argue that if Latvia doesn't have the right, then the other nations I mentioned (formed from Prussian and Austrian empires) fall in the same category because they were formed from other empires as well. So yes, it is very relevant.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Baltic states after MRP and WW2 got many lands from Prussia Czech and Poland - why don`t they give it beck too then huh?
btw - indeed Latvia got from RSFSR some lands too after WW2 - give them back then - as so as all investments of USSR into their economy - give back ports - factories - which btw in ruins
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Only Lithuania received Vilnius (and surrounding areas) from Poland after the Soviet occupation. However you and I both know that Vilnius is the historical capitol, so that is not much of a deal. LatviaSSR "gave" Abrene (Pytalovo) to the Kremlin, and got nothing in return.
EstoniaSSR also"gave" the lands east of the Narva River, and also got nothing in return.
As for Soviet investments: Read up on the Plavinas Dam. That is a great example of how Latvia was not autonomous.
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Since this was a Soviet Russian project, then the Russians must pay for its removal. But do not fear, we both know that this will never happen!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
why do you think the fact that ests and latvians (lats) were formed as nations in Russia is irrelevant. just answer if it's true or not without speculations of irrelevancy.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
your knowledge in history is deplorable. Latvia got independence (by agreement with bolsheviks pressed by germans) in 1918 . the same with Finland and Poland. Serbia got independent much earlier. Kosovo was a region in Serbia till 21st century. all the rest of mentioned by you countries were parts of austrian-hungarian empire and became independent with the fall of empire in 1918. so, yes, montfaucons are wicked as any other evil's creations.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
You are incorrect. The Germans turned on the Latvians on 16 April 1919 and attempted to capture Latvia. It was through the help of Estonia, Poland and Lithuania that the Latvians signed the ceasefire with Russia.
As for Serbia, did you forget that the Austrians occupied that country in 1915, forcing the King to flee?
The point remains clear. Latvia fought and won its independence. The USSR signed a declaration stating Latvia's independence was inviolable "for all future time". Liars!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
Similar systems, but Stalinism had way more victims than Nazism, it's just that the Nazis kept a better paper trail than the Communists, who were just lazy opportunists. Unfortunately, the world does not view the hammer-and-sickle the same as it does the swastika. This can be a result of the Russian Federation - the successor to the Soviet Union - of keeping evidence under lock and key. Why does Russia hide the truth of the past if we can all learn from it? They're rewriting the books I guess.
eldubioso 2 years ago
How do you know that Stalinism had more victems than Nazism? Do you have any reference or you just feel in your guts that it is like that?
1101leene 2 years ago
The victims' unearthed mass graves are the testament to the regime's crimes. The Soviet Union's legacy was the paranoia of its leadership, especially Stalin, which we see being adopted by the current political executives. Whereas Nazism exterminated many ethnic groups, including Jews, Stalinism targeted the Soviet people, with policies of cultural, religious and political repression. The Soviet Union had a much larger population of undesirables to kill than Nazi Germany. That is a fact.
eldubioso 2 years ago
That the USSR under Stalin was a autocratic and from 21 th century prospectiv brutal is a fact.
But how many people did Nazis kiled? 6 milion Jews, something like 27 milion Soviet pepole, 3 milion Poles, one milion Yugoslavs... Can you give me the numbers of people that were kiled under Stalin greater than that?
1101leene 2 years ago
Are we talking civilian wartime casualties or combative casualties? I can offer, as civilian casualties, the Ukrainian Holodomor - a genocide orchestrated by Stalin's agricultural polices in 1930's that killed an estimated (because the exact figures are not confirmed, and Russia has classified as top secret) between 7 million to 10 million Ukrainians. If you dispute this historical chapter, then there is no sense talking to deniers of mass murder. btw: what group supports your figures?
eldubioso 2 years ago
I think most sources give somethink like 7 milions Red Army solders kiled so 20 milions are Soviet civilians. I don't know how meny Polish and Yugoslav solders died, but both wars were relativly short so most of this numbers are civilians.
I don't deny that many people died in famine and even if it would be as you say 10 milions it is still far from number of Nazi victms. Only USSE, YU, POL and Jews are more then 35 milions. To say that Stalin kiled more than that would be realy absurd.
1101leene 2 years ago
But what about Stalin's indirect responsibility? Such as those that died in the gulags or other labor camps? Or those deaths that went unreported? Or the secret police that did his bidding? Stalin was the more brutal of the two and lasted in power much longer than Hitler. Stalin's victims included Jews, Poles, Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Hungarians, Roma (Gypsies), Tajiks, Tatars, and on, and on, and on...
eldubioso 2 years ago
You are brainwashed moron
Read this about "millions of victims of Stalinism"
northstarcompass. org/nsc9912/lies. htm
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
I think most sources give somethink like 7 milions Red Army solders kiled so 20 milions are Soviet civilians. I don't know how much Polish and Yugoslav solders died, but both wars war relativly short so most of this numbers are civilians.
I don't deny that many people died in famine and even if it would be as you say 10 milions it is still far from number of Nazi victems.
Only USSR, YU, POL, and Jews are more then 35 milions. To say that Stalin kiled more than that would be realy absurd.
1101leene 2 years ago
I'm not the one living in the past, glorifying wwII Soviet generals. And I believe it is transliterated as Zhukov. Read your propaganda, like a good little Soviet - it's mindless and you're good at it. Looking forward to the declassification of the Soviet archives. Maybe even you will realize who is the brainwashed moron. Maybe not.
eldubioso 2 years ago
For most Eastern Europe communism was much worse then fascism. And fascism lasted 5 years, communism 50.
That's just fact.
helixdq 2 years ago
I think that you don't know what you are talking about. of course communism was an unperfect system, but it wasn't a threat to most of european nations! that's why it lasted for such long period of time comparing to fascism. your country as far as i can remember was among the supporters of fascism.
surv91ilmari 2 years ago
Fact is that you are extremely dumb. No communism on this planet even lasted even for 5 minutes. USSR was Union of Soviet SOCIALISTIC Republics - we had NO communism EVER.
MarshallJukov 2 years ago 2
Oh god... Communism was so baaaad lets go kill ourselves.... why didn't they done this move right after they obtained "freedom"? Or was this dictated by west just now?
Flankymanga 2 years ago 4
US, where majority of former Nazists came, today, making propaganda campaigns to equate communism and nazism. 100% this is work of the same criminals, who are glorifying nazism in Ukraine and Baltic States, who armed and financed another dictator Sukashvili, ingeneered 9/11 and began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for oil and drugs, under false pretexts.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
lol
Sivels 2 years ago
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medvennlighilsen 2 years ago
Guess you need to (i) learn English (ii) get a brain.
MarshallKutuzov 2 years ago
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medvennlighilsen 2 years ago
Hitler wrote in his book that good leader need to be able to show all the enemies as one, so that nation doesn't feel like it has many enemies. Igor tryed to do that. He just wrote that USA, nazis, Ukraine, Baltic states, Sakashvili, Bush's goverment... behind them are the same people, the same enemy. Probably he would agree the with them are also chechen terorists, Ana Politkovska, some Russian oligarhs.... It would be good if he would be more spacific who are they. Jews are mostly useful.
1101leene 2 years ago
The Latvian people have never had any issues with the Jewish people.
Arajs Commando and his original set of criminal cohorts are NOT reflective of the Latvian people as a whole!
montfaucon1916 2 years ago
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medvennlighilsen 2 years ago
You know what is most ironic... When I watch a video like this I know what the comments will be and that they are not worth to read them... but do I read them... Yes I do:)
1101leene 2 years ago
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medvennlighilsen 2 years ago
fascinating :0 Can't we all just get along?? obviously, nobody is wielding weaponz :) so.........let history be that..........HIS-STORY, it's gone, yes, I do feel a bit awkward laying flowers on tombs of those that "might not deserve it in the anti-faschist's eyes'", but in my opinion, the only way to attain world peace is to live and learn, don't dwell in the past, and look at those "anti-faschists", there might be a "civil war??" fuck that shit, only if weapons get involved :p :) much love :)
BodhiSatvaPEACE 2 years ago