the GOD you dont believe in LOVES YOU and does not want SATAN to steal your soul
into hell i do not hate you or want anything to hurt you i only want to help you and i will just
only PRAY for you/ is it really worth a belief of yours on the stakes that you might end up in HELL for ALL ETERNITY that means no end forever dude.! is this what you want you spend all your time trying to disprove GOD well if theres no GOD who are you denying. i just
@tfalcon331 If this "god" loves me, why would he send me to a place where i will be tortured, burn, suffer, choke, scream and cry FOREVER until the end of time, just because I dont believe in him?
B/C Anyone elected to public office who is an enemy of God is an enemy to his Country! My Question for Silverman is if you know for a fact there is "No God" you wouldn't be mentally disturbed at a Cross on Ground Zero and wouldn't have sued to have it removed! We have a Freedom of Religion(which means a right to believe or not) and not a policy of Appeasement!!!
In addition the very fact that you would suggest that atheism lead directly to something soviet russia is deeply disturbing. Even if those people died on account of their beliefs. (religious, some were killed for being enemies of the state and many who were Cossacks, but thats non related to religion) you have to take into account that millions upon millions were kind for the base idea of "my beliefs are right, yours are wrong". I could name at least 50 such events off the top of my head.
The reason those people died was that stalin and other leaders destroyed the infrastructure of Russia by trying to replace the existing government with their view of communism (which wasn't communism at all it was a totalitarian dictatorship). It wasn't that they methodically killed their people like the nazis, it was that fact that they essentially starved millions of people to death because of their political and philosophical view. EVERYONE died not just christians or jews.
an atheistical jew wants to become president.. oh gawd. the last time atheist jews got control over a country they killed some 60 to 70 million christians in the soviet union
@Sudomania yup exactly. so far atheists managed to surpass the bloodiest regimes of all of history just in the 20th century alone ^^ and im sure there is more to come.
There is still a big problem, especially among people here in the south, of people still equating atheism with communism. I see people not only attacking atheism not just because they see them as morally inferior, but they equate them as comrade with chairmen Mao or Stalin.
What a breath of fresh air... finally someone who lets David Silverman talk... It's frustrating watching him try to have conversations with other american news people.
the only thing your going to get elected for is ; 'THE DUMBEST MORON OF ALL TIME.. you do not have the right to an opinion,or the right to live in our country, you beleive in nothing and that is just what you are. your a complete idiot, so shut your damn mouth and i hope you enjoy burning for all eternity in hell. you will beleive it when it happens but it will be too late. i tried to warn.
@tfalcon331 Dumbest? This guy actually has an education. I can hardly tell you have even a passing grade in English. What are you, 10? Everybody has a right to an opinion, Falcon, and if you don't think so, you, sir, are a hypocrite. Anyone who lives in physical peace with others and who has legal ability to live in America deserves to do so. Hell is simply a story which the deluded magic-believers invent for themselves in a lame imaginary attempt for their enemies to go away.
@tfalcon331 The people you despise are not going away. Ever. You either make peace with them or you die enemies with them and never make up. Your fear factor will not work on adults like Silverman and I. It works for the 5-year olds you brainwash from the time they're babies into believing your garbage, but not to people with 2 brain cells to rub. If you are a Christian, as you seem to be, then your God wouldn't want you swearing and threatening us, would he? Sad little delusional hypocrite.
@marcohorowitz8 Obama is a confirmed Christian. Keep on dreaming, Fundies. Hitler was one of you, too. I know it's nice to deny that "those guys" aren't part of your cult, but you can't hide the facts.
There is actually an elected atheist in office right now. His name is Congressman Peter Stark. He's been in office since '73. (Granted, he only "came out" as an atheist in '07)
We're getting there. It'll just take a bit of time. :)
non-religion does not equal atheism. Most people i know that are non-religious are not atheists. most believe in karma, superstition, a creator god. I don't agree with Silverman's premise of what atheism is. However, I don't give a damn what the presidential candidate's religion is. If his policies are good, im in. I think it's a big problem that over half this nation wouldn't elect an atheist, but I don't agree with Silverman's definition of atheism.
however i do side and team with most atheist that doesn't mean i am an atheist i believe there is a strong possibility of a god however not the christian god just cuz i have a different name for my beliefs that doesn't separate me agnostics can still be called what they r so can everyone else but we can still work togetherjust like different countries can work together in a war or to progress world policies
David Silverman, seriously just say, Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. Atheism is the opposite of theism. Theists believe in a higher power. Atheists don't believe in a higher power. DONE. Stop the rambling please. You're a smart guy. But come on you wasted how long giving the point of view of atheism.
I LOVE this Silverman guy. He is a true hero of humanity and the great ancient minds like Socratise, Plato, Capernicus, Galileo etc etc would adore him.
DEIST MOVEMENT IS NEED ALONG SIDE THE ATHEIST MOVEMENT CHRISTIANS HAVE HIJACKED THE GOD IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE JUST THEY HAVE OTHER GODS IN THE PAST i AM AN ATHEIST WE NEED TO CALL ON DEIST IN THE CHURCH TO WALK OUT LIKE WE HAVE OUR FELLOW ATHEIST AND AGNOSTICS DEIST BELIEVE IN A GOD BUT A GOD WITHOUT ALL THE DETAILS THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY
Atheists won't get elected if they're intolerant douchebags like you. Religious people encourage good morals, help those in need all over the world, and your only goal is to stamp that out. You're better than Christians cuz you don't believe that with all the complex processes in our body and world their couldn't possibly be a God? Fuck you.
@dEViN1887 He is a humanistic Jew. Look up Pitesti Prison look what happened when humanist Jews ran Romania, the ones who killed the czar, we saw where this is headed.
@dEViN1887 Most Jews are atheists. They don't want to follow all those 613 commandments so they just pick out the good parts. One tribe studies Torah, one tribe is the political arm, etc. See humanist Jews or atheist Jews, wiki.
I disagree, people thought we'd never have a black president... It comes down to the person, if they're charismatic enough, if they can rally a certain base (like the youth vote), an atheist president is certainly possible today.
@Ladiesman1447 I think it very much so depends on how they display their beliefs. I am an atheist and I very much so am proud of that, and when questioned I don't waver on saying what I believe. Many atheists are not like this. That's a lot of the atheist movement right now, is trying to get them to be more vocal about their true beliefs. If think for an atheist to be president in todays culture he'd have to be decently subtle about the issue.
There are a lot of "down low" gay guys who don't call themselves gay, but they are of no use to the movement toward gay rights. In fact, they're detrimental and are likely to have retrogressive opinions on issues like gay marriage. Similarly, I have atheist friends who won't self-identify as atheist, and they're big supporters of Christianity because of their conservative values and their assumption that Christianity promotes those values.
I don't think atheists will be even close to presidency since the country's way too fundamentally Christian. You'd have to break down the general religious beliefs which has never happened in any human society in history.
You can be religious and secular at the same time. Its not that uncommon.
I think there needs to be more focus on secularism. There may be good secular candidates that happens to be religious, which might even be a pro in regards to gathering vote.
I have met loads of people that believe in a God, but that think law/gov should be based on man because man has free will and that God, in their view, wont really interfere regardless.
@IsItTheBagel The problem is this, the Jewish religion states they need to destroy Jesus and Muhammad in order for their end days to take place, so how are we to know they just are not saying they are "jewish atheist" in reality they are the political tribe for their religion and are sneaking in this culture to satisfy it? As in Noahide Law.
@TheAmazingamerica That doesn't really have to do with what I said, but whatever. Being raised Jewish, I've never heard of the notion that for the end days to happen, we to "destroy Jesus and Muhammad". Where exactly does it say that in Torah or elsewhere?
@IsItTheBagel What does it mean to be the "light to the nations?" What does it mean to destroy infadels?
Go into the land smash their idols? O.T. But for a more in depth study, look up the Noahide Laws, not just the seven that was passed on Education Day in the U.S. but the 100 of chapters under them, u could probably find them on a Chabbad site. Then compare that with what is going on in the world regarding the degrating of Christianity and Muslims, it seems to be a good fit.
I think Dave is confusing religion and culture. Dave come to the Anthropology course I run and we'll teach you the functionality and structure of these systems.
Belief systems are not the issue, it's the overwhelmingly disproportionate power of lobbying groups to sway our representatives in congress, It doesn't matter if your president is christian or atheist, the power of the dollar is the final word.
@BEARARMZ googled it, answer didnt make much sense. said he supported christian values and liked the use of christian images as propaganda, but didnt designate his faith as christian, so idk.
@BEARARMZ As all of those people saw themselves as the final word on anything, none of them were atheists. They all belong to the church of cult of personality.
@DiscoRByrno belief: 1. An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
Theists twist our words all the time, but I don't play their game. I use dictionary definitions, not theistic jargon. It's time theists learn to do the same, or at least be called on it when they don't. I've been making my point longer than many of those with whom I argue have been alive. Trust me, I hold my own.
@DiscoRByrno Atheists can and do have beliefs. A belief is something accepted as true. I believe that all gods are fictional characters, therefore, I believe in none of them, i.e. accept none as true. I don't reject beliefs, I reject baseless claims about the existence of gods. You don't like the way I phrased it, so you tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
I have no idea what watching TAE has to do with this.
I suspect what he is trying to say is that there is no semi-unified set of beliefs among atheists like there often are among theists, for example.
That would make the reference to TAE make more sense, as Matt Dillahunty (one of the major hosts and president of the ACA) often has discussions and sometimes rants on that topic.
@1RadicalOne Of course the only thing that all atheists necessarily have in common is that we believe that all gods are fictional characters. I've been an atheist for over 45 years, and arrived at my conclusions on my own, so I really don't need other atheists, even on TAE, telling me how to express myself. Theists misunderstand the scientific use of the word "theory" all the time, yet scientists are not about to change the word they use because it can be misinterpreted by theists. Neither am I.
@1RadicalOne Yes, they can, but I don't necessarily agree with everything they, or any other atheists, say. I always reserve the right to have and express my own opinions, regardless of what's popular. If I were not that way, I wouldn't have been openly atheist in the 1960s. I'd have kept it to myself because it was unpopular. Really, we get flack now, but then? Strangers wearing religious jewelry actually accosted me on the street and told me I had "no right" to wear my "God Isn't" button.
I have a story that "one-ups" that. Back when I was in university, I was working on a computer simulation of aerodynamics of some part (whose identity now eludes me), and when the person next to me somehow found out that I was not a fundamentalist like them, they responded by pulling the plug on my computer, "accidentally" spilling a drink all over the keyboard and myself, and telling me that if they were in charge I would be in jail.
@YY4Me133 As Silverman said, if atheism is a religion or a belief system, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. Or being bald is a hair colour. Atheism is by definition a content-less word. It doesn't tell you anything about someone. It's the default state of every person ever born. It's religion which modifies us.
This is why some atheists don't like the word "atheist", as having a word to describe the lack of belief in something is fairly absurd.
@BigMikeMcBastard I prefer to point out that neither atheism nor theism is a religion. Theists make the connection between theism and religion, but it's not necessarily there. One can believe in a god or gods and not adhere to any religion.
The word "atheist" does tell you something about someone: they don't believe that any gods are real. The only reason we need a word to express that is because religion is so pervasive that most people take it for granted that everyone believes in a god.
@YY4Me133 If you don't believe in god you're really better off not using the word atheist though. We don't need it and it doesn't help. "Atheism" is a loaded word with a lot of people, and they'll assume that because you're an atheist you don't believe in anything, or you claim to KNOW that there is no god, or what have you. I am with Sam Harris on this. It's much better to simply refer to one's self as "non-religious". These days, with "dogmatic New Atheism" a phrase used unironically...
@BigMikeMcBastard I really don't give a crap if it's a "loaded" word, or if theists assume things, or if Sam Harris doesn't like it. The word "atheist" has worked for me for over 40 years, so maybe it's because I'm old, or maybe it's because I refuse to allow others to set my agenda, but I'm going to continue to call myself an "atheist," and say that I "know" all gods are fictional characters unless and until evidence to the contrary is produced. I will not water down my atheism.
The reason people don't like the idea of an Atheist president, is that the thought of moral governing with no afterlife, seems like a pass to "not care" What I mean is, if there is no punishment for sins, or no consequences for imoral behavior, wouldn't an atheist be looked at as more capable of performing immorallity? "I'm Jhon Doe, and I beleive nothing happens when you die"....please vote for me! But a Religious polotician seems like they are "guided" buy the afterlife. IMO
atheist groups are so douche-y. yeah, we get it. you think all theists are idiots and all around bad people. then they try to convince people that atheism is the way to go, all the while being assholes to those people
@AndroidPhantom Are you being pretentious and assuming that all Atheists are the same. Man you theists manifest ignorance in similar ways, ignorantly classifying us making us seem like such assholes when we're just responding to the condescending nature in which theists treat Atheism and Atheists. I guess if I went around thinking I was saving people I'd get pretty annoyed when people tried to tell me otherwise, or constantly imploring me to manifest proof when there is none. That must suck =)
@Raiderfan123 i know not all atheists are like him. i said "atheist groups" as collective entities. i'm an agnostic myself (don't care enough to believe or deny), and i realize that people w/ one thing in common aren't always identical in belief on everything. just take a sec, breathe, and chilliax (that sounds less douchy in my mind with the calm voice and all. on the interwebs it looks sarcastic and confrontational)
@AndroidPhantom Not all atheists are like him, im one myself and i found him annoying and bit arrongant, i go to a methodist school myself and dont really care what personal faith people hold, its just that though personal, i actually think the idea of a higher being or consciousness kinda interesting, it just has no place in deciding our government or our values, it is a personal self discovery nothing more, because nothing is provable, im a secularist above all
@XepicmeauX i'm a nontheist myself and i realize not all people w/ 1 thing in common are always identical in belief on everything. it is interesting isn't it. it is at its base form a scientific quandary about the beginning of this universe = titillation for the mind. i'm a social capitalist above all btw :)
Atheism, is not a religion, because the world only defines what a person DOES NOT believe. A religion, or a complete worldview of any kind, can only call itself a religion or worldview by not only defining what it does not believe, but specifically defining what it does believe. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in God, and that lack of belief can come about due to a plethora of causes and rationales. Atheism is as much of religion as being transparent is a color.
It was only 47 years ago that the Civil Rights Act was passed, and now we have a President who is half black in the White House. No one would have thought in 1964 that this was possible. So it is not such a far stretch to say that an atheistic candidate, say within the next 25 years, could win the Presidency. Ann Gillard, the current Prime Minister of Australia, is an atheist, so there is an example of an atheist leading a free democracy.
@alphacause Australia had actually had atheists before that though Gough Whitlam was an atheist Prime minister in Australia in the early 70s. That is how far America is slipping behind in this specific area.
Atheism is a portion of the progressive agenda and is in sharp contrast to the values of the majority of Americans just like many of the topics the progressives harp on. If an atheist understood the constitution and how to govern vice rule then I would see the question as moot. There are more important things to focus on besides religion or lack thereof. Eliminating the progressive agenda would be a far better focus than giving another branch of it a place at the table.
@maconsumner Your idea that people wanting what they want is an agenda is fucking despicable. What's your agenda or is that just a semantic tool used by the week to describe the beliefs they disagree with.
@bunkmasterflex There is nothing wrong with “people wanting what they want”, you should just never do it at the expense of another person. That is in a nutshell the agenda of the progressive/liberal movement. Lots of rights, but no responsibility to provide for your own needs. Less profanity and more content will make what you are trying to say clear my friend.
@maconsumner your denial knows no bounds, is any political movement not the exact same thing as this so called agenda? Anarchism is the only view in which you don't force other's to abide by someone else's point of view. Every aspect of society is either willing or unwilling compromise for what someone thinks is right. Is this not true? What is the goal of this agenda? is it to make money? is to make people unhappy? or is it a group people who want their views to be heard, as in a democracy?
@bunkmasterflex That’s not true, I am a constitutionalist and a Libertarian. My belief system includes personal freedom that is paired with personal responsibility for one’s self. Anarchists are like many other movements, have huge contradiction. You can call things conservative or Liberal, R or D, it doesn’t matter, they are both in the business of controlling the lives of others. I want gov to collect taxes for constitutionally mandated items, then leave me alone.
While I despise any moron who refuses to vote for a candidate simply because they lack a belief in their particular deity, I have to say, I honestly don't care if my president is an atheist. I just want them to be a person with a moral compass, an IQ in at least the double-digits, the vision of a brighter future in their mind, and the willpower to make it so. It's not about religion versus secularism as much as it's about spineless, ignorant bigots versus reasonable, ethical people.
@davethehostage According to the Constitution and its amendments, we should not even be discussing religions when talking about elections. However, we live in the real world where Politicians, mostly UNDERHANDED REPUBS and LAME DEMS invoke 'gods' to appeal for votes.
But once someone is elected, I agree with your definitions of a politician.
@DiscoRByrno To say that atheists "don't believe in god" is wrong because you used the singular form of the word "god." It's not like there's only one god that humans believe in. There are thousands of gods, and not a shred of evidence for any of them. That's why I said "Atheists believe in no gods (plural)." Atheists don't "LACK the belief in god" any more than we LACK belief in the Bogeyman or invisible garden faeries. We simply reject baseless claims that gods, or the Bogeyman, exist.
It's not going to happen tomorrow, it's not going to happen overnight, And it's especially not going to happen if our apparent progressive media snickers at the ideal of those without any believe in a specific god or the premise that it's possible. Way to play Atheists as though they're inferior. I am getting really tired of David legitimizing unjustifiable views. This new's doesn't need spin pakman has already been spun!
Atheists or people that aren't even religious won't be elected unless people start being open minded and less selfish to their own religion. It's quite sad that people actually think just because they're muslim, atheist, agnostic, jewish, etc. they won't do as good of a job as a christian president. We have a long ways to go.
i dont feel like I'm part of a relegion you know i dont feel like i am a jew muslim or christian but i believe that there is a god what am i? and are there more people like me :)
Atheism is no more a religion than theism is. Both are simply positions with respect to the nonexistence/existence of a god or gods. Atheists believe in no gods. Theists believe in at least one god. That's it. Religion is an entirely separate issue.
If liking matzah brei makes one jewish, there are an awful lot of people who are jewish but don't know it.
@YY4Me133 Atheists don't 'believe in no god'. Atheism is the 'lack of belief in god'. Subtle but important difference. Your definition is more Gnostic Atheist.
@drummerkid1993 I don't like the word "lack" because it has multiple meanings, one of which is "deficient," which means "Lacking an essential quality or element."
Perhaps "believe in no gods" wasn't the best choice of words, if only because of the controversy it caused. However, I say again, I will not change the way I express myself because some theist might twist my words, or because another atheist gets their panties in a wad. My point was that atheists believe in no gods. That is true.
@YY4Me133 I still don't accept your definition. Atheism is not a belief position. It's the rejection of a belief, or lack of belief. Your definition refers to positive atheism.
@drummerkid1993 Atheism is a belief. I gave a dictionary definition of belief. You seem to be hung up on the word "belief," and I don't know why. I believe that gods, leprechauns, and invisible garden faeries are fictional characters, i.e. I accept as true that they're fictional, made up, not real. Call it "positive atheism" if that makes you feel better. I don't use such labels.
I don't reject "beliefs." I reject unfounded claims.
@YY4Me133 All you did was reword I don't believe in leprechauns and etc. Might as well say theism is a disbelief because theists don't believe that God does not exist.
@HybridD91 I never said anything about disbelief, so I think you're just pulling my chain now.
I'm tired of all this hoopla over nothing but semantics. At this point all I'll be doing is repeating myself, so I'm done with this particular subject.
@patrickcorliss Woah what's with the attitude? I was just adding to your comment...sharing a little info perhaps you might've not known. I wasn't aware Bob Hawke was, and now I know thanks to your comment, so thankyou.
I was just going to say thanks when I saw that you were a Master in martial arts. Jist for fun I thought I'd spice up the answer with pretend fearfulness. Sorry it didn't come off.
Truly I didn't know about Julia Gillard which proves the point that most people in Australia don't particularly care about a politician's religious affiliation providing they don't let it affect their representation of their constituents. Tony Abbott, however, gets challenged. Understandably.
@patrickcorliss Oh here I was thinking you were a capricious and mean-spirited commenter, when all along you were a well-researched and humorous commenter. Were you fond of my background? It's a little inside joke.
Agreed. On Q&A one night the coalition education minister stated he'd like to see the bible and creationism taught in public schools. As long as they have people like that guiding their party, they should never be allowed power.
Governing a country ought to be based on that country's ethos (Constitution, for example), the good of the people, and close interpretation of certifiable empirical data before making any policy decisions.
"Belief" is absolutely irrelevant to governance. Look at the previous Administration, who "believed" that there were WMD in Iraq!
A recommended Video for those of you settling disputes with christians, the entire christian religion is a plagiarism of other pagan religions and even the egyptian faith.
Watch the first 30 minutes or so of "Zeitgeist: The Movie" so very wholesome and interesting comparisons in there with our revolving faith of the Son. If you'd rather not dip into the conspiratorial bits, don't watch any further.
The Institutionalized Christian churches of the world have defyed the Jesus' teachings almost as if it is a joke. It is so obvious and blatant that it is almost comedic i swear. Oh goodness its actually funny when I think people sit in Church and listen to 1 human man speak as if that man has anything to offer about the real world. Why can't every person in the Church speak their mind? A preist or minister has no clue about what goes on in the life of an every day man.
With regard to the god of the bible, and the creation story etcetera, I am definitely NOT agnostic. We know for a fact that the creation story of the bible is not true, so in that sense, there is absolutely no reason to take an agnostic stance.
Every "Christian" president that is elected does not believe in god. Waging war, being bribed, and destroying peoples liberty is not very Christian. As a moderate Christian I can say that any person belonging to a Church or other institution is not a Christian. Super Institutions that invest in the global economy are not Christian. Most of our presidents are surrounded and influence by death dealers whos greed is driven by blood and other resources.
Being agnostic does not exclude being either theist or atheist. Agnostic means that you are not sure (in this case whether any gods exist). Being theist means you believe some god/gods exist, and being atheist means you believe that no gods exist. I myself is definitely atheist. Strictly speaking, I am agnostic with regard to the supernatural, but in practise I am not. I firmly believe that there is no such thing as supernatural entities or phenomena–and thus–no gods.
You should get AronRa on the show instead! This guy seems pretty agreeable to me, but he needs to think about how he phrases stuff. I think I understand what he means when he says he puts atheism above religion, because in his (and my) opinion, truth (that there is very likely no god) is better than untruth (that god is a fact and he will send you to hell if you don't believe in him), but saying that he is above others really isn't smart nor sympathetic. That will just fuel conflict... :(
like hell. i wish but the sad fact is, america at its current state will never vote for anyone other then a coathlic, christain, and a jew. they would never vote for an athiest let alone a muslim.
athiest is the absence of a religion and thats why agnotsic cant fit in there because if you believe there could be a god then you blieve there could be a religion
@enemy2k10 1 they where all different 2 some of them were replies 3 i can type as many comments as i want its not spamming unless i say something like s for s or something stupid like that
That moron has no idea what he is talking about if you looked up each definition seperately they are all somewhat different. Athiest means it's impossible for there to be a god. Agnostic means there could possibly be a god to most likely is a god. I don't know the other ones.
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@kazooga1234 Exactly, agnostics, such as myself, are just making a statement of fact instead of a statement of faith... i.e. we do not possess the capacity to make a statement regarding the existence of God one way or another. Everyone on Earth, as a matter of fact, is an agnostic... as a matter of faith, however, taking that leap, one can make a statement about the existence of God in the opposite or negative.
I'm agnostic but consider myself a Christian and can't stand militant atheists.
@USA4July1776 exactly i hated when i was agnotic and people called me athiest and i hate now that i am athiest that people ask if believe its possible for there to be a god
i also became athiest because nobody could define the defintion of god for me so if something doesnt have a deffintion it cant exist (thats how i feel)
what that guy says is wrong he is forgetting that agnostic is a word and agnostics believe there could be or there is a god but not a specific one and athiests say its impossible for there to be a god
Non-Theist sounds better. Most religious equate Atheist with Evil for some reason.
mikkwik 3 weeks ago
Good thing he got rid of the beard and whiskers...those made him look devilishly sexy. ;-)
SanneBree 1 month ago
the GOD you dont believe in LOVES YOU and does not want SATAN to steal your soul
into hell i do not hate you or want anything to hurt you i only want to help you and i will just
only PRAY for you/ is it really worth a belief of yours on the stakes that you might end up in HELL for ALL ETERNITY that means no end forever dude.! is this what you want you spend all your time trying to disprove GOD well if theres no GOD who are you denying. i just
ask you to SIT AND PRAY/ he will come to you.**
tfalcon331 1 month ago
@tfalcon331 If this "god" loves me, why would he send me to a place where i will be tortured, burn, suffer, choke, scream and cry FOREVER until the end of time, just because I dont believe in him?
TheJonnyEnglish 3 weeks ago
Sometimes I wish I was Jewish; they make great atheists.
northoforacle 1 month ago
Did we honestly just see David's ego get stroked? ... Hot!
GalacticChimp 1 month ago
B/C Anyone elected to public office who is an enemy of God is an enemy to his Country! My Question for Silverman is if you know for a fact there is "No God" you wouldn't be mentally disturbed at a Cross on Ground Zero and wouldn't have sued to have it removed! We have a Freedom of Religion(which means a right to believe or not) and not a policy of Appeasement!!!
WrestlingAddict8 2 months ago
mormons=morons
TheMryi 2 months ago
In addition the very fact that you would suggest that atheism lead directly to something soviet russia is deeply disturbing. Even if those people died on account of their beliefs. (religious, some were killed for being enemies of the state and many who were Cossacks, but thats non related to religion) you have to take into account that millions upon millions were kind for the base idea of "my beliefs are right, yours are wrong". I could name at least 50 such events off the top of my head.
Sudomania 3 months ago
The reason those people died was that stalin and other leaders destroyed the infrastructure of Russia by trying to replace the existing government with their view of communism (which wasn't communism at all it was a totalitarian dictatorship). It wasn't that they methodically killed their people like the nazis, it was that fact that they essentially starved millions of people to death because of their political and philosophical view. EVERYONE died not just christians or jews.
Sudomania 3 months ago
an atheistical jew wants to become president.. oh gawd. the last time atheist jews got control over a country they killed some 60 to 70 million christians in the soviet union
happosai27 3 months ago
@happosai27 im pretty sure that didn't have to do anything religion, in fact communism encourages atheism
Sudomania 3 months ago
@Sudomania yup exactly. so far atheists managed to surpass the bloodiest regimes of all of history just in the 20th century alone ^^ and im sure there is more to come.
happosai27 3 months ago
tide goes out tide goes in?
sourpatchBALLS 3 months ago
There is still a big problem, especially among people here in the south, of people still equating atheism with communism. I see people not only attacking atheism not just because they see them as morally inferior, but they equate them as comrade with chairmen Mao or Stalin.
wowpapa 3 months ago
What a breath of fresh air... finally someone who lets David Silverman talk... It's frustrating watching him try to have conversations with other american news people.
linosstari 3 months ago 3
the only thing your going to get elected for is ; 'THE DUMBEST MORON OF ALL TIME.. you do not have the right to an opinion,or the right to live in our country, you beleive in nothing and that is just what you are. your a complete idiot, so shut your damn mouth and i hope you enjoy burning for all eternity in hell. you will beleive it when it happens but it will be too late. i tried to warn.
tfalcon331 3 months ago
@tfalcon331 Dumbest? This guy actually has an education. I can hardly tell you have even a passing grade in English. What are you, 10? Everybody has a right to an opinion, Falcon, and if you don't think so, you, sir, are a hypocrite. Anyone who lives in physical peace with others and who has legal ability to live in America deserves to do so. Hell is simply a story which the deluded magic-believers invent for themselves in a lame imaginary attempt for their enemies to go away.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@tfalcon331 The people you despise are not going away. Ever. You either make peace with them or you die enemies with them and never make up. Your fear factor will not work on adults like Silverman and I. It works for the 5-year olds you brainwash from the time they're babies into believing your garbage, but not to people with 2 brain cells to rub. If you are a Christian, as you seem to be, then your God wouldn't want you swearing and threatening us, would he? Sad little delusional hypocrite.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@tfalcon331 Fuck off terrorist.
cbilljones 3 months ago
you already have an atheist president: Obama!!
marcohorowitz8 3 months ago
@marcohorowitz8 Obama is a confirmed Christian. Keep on dreaming, Fundies. Hitler was one of you, too. I know it's nice to deny that "those guys" aren't part of your cult, but you can't hide the facts.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox hi hi hi no comment! better not waste my time.
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djsu12 4 months ago
There is actually an elected atheist in office right now. His name is Congressman Peter Stark. He's been in office since '73. (Granted, he only "came out" as an atheist in '07)
We're getting there. It'll just take a bit of time. :)
TheExtremistModerate 4 months ago
@TheExtremistModerate Whoops, he's actually Pete Stark, not Peter. :)
TheExtremistModerate 4 months ago
this guy is a champ! australia got a atheist prime minister!! woohoo!!!!
halflifeproductionz 4 months ago
love how he mentioned nonstampcollector
asse080 4 months ago
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Simple formula below:
1) Religion= Imaginary Friends + Fairy Tales + Weak Minds- Logic
2) Atheism= Personal accountability + Logic ^2 - Religion
It's that simple!
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TwistedMind6969 5 months ago
non-religion does not equal atheism. Most people i know that are non-religious are not atheists. most believe in karma, superstition, a creator god. I don't agree with Silverman's premise of what atheism is. However, I don't give a damn what the presidential candidate's religion is. If his policies are good, im in. I think it's a big problem that over half this nation wouldn't elect an atheist, but I don't agree with Silverman's definition of atheism.
ILuvTilt 5 months ago
@ILuvTilt many non religius people are deists. so yeah.
gethsoftware 4 months ago
im not an atheist im an agnostic
however i do side and team with most atheist that doesn't mean i am an atheist i believe there is a strong possibility of a god however not the christian god just cuz i have a different name for my beliefs that doesn't separate me agnostics can still be called what they r so can everyone else but we can still work togetherjust like different countries can work together in a war or to progress world policies
cjshadow0 5 months ago
@cjshadow0 They are not mutually exclusive.
Gnostism lends itself to knowledge and Theism to belief.
Im an Agnostic Atheist, I do not know and do not believe a god exists.
I would say you are an Agnostic Theist, you do not know but you believe there is.
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cjshadow0 5 months ago
David Silverman, seriously just say, Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. Atheism is the opposite of theism. Theists believe in a higher power. Atheists don't believe in a higher power. DONE. Stop the rambling please. You're a smart guy. But come on you wasted how long giving the point of view of atheism.
ActuallyLiam 5 months ago
I LOVE this Silverman guy. He is a true hero of humanity and the great ancient minds like Socratise, Plato, Capernicus, Galileo etc etc would adore him.
kick08ful 5 months ago
Silverman, you are a hater and a loser..
gHoStsOfTheHollow 5 months ago
And I'm a PC
Shadow99052 5 months ago
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DEIST MOVEMENT IS NEED ALONG SIDE THE ATHEIST MOVEMENT CHRISTIANS HAVE HIJACKED THE GOD IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE JUST THEY HAVE OTHER GODS IN THE PAST i AM AN ATHEIST WE NEED TO CALL ON DEIST IN THE CHURCH TO WALK OUT LIKE WE HAVE OUR FELLOW ATHEIST AND AGNOSTICS DEIST BELIEVE IN A GOD BUT A GOD WITHOUT ALL THE DETAILS THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY
starscreamdkmo 6 months ago
Atheists won't get elected if they're intolerant douchebags like you. Religious people encourage good morals, help those in need all over the world, and your only goal is to stamp that out. You're better than Christians cuz you don't believe that with all the complex processes in our body and world their couldn't possibly be a God? Fuck you.
dEViN1887 6 months ago
@dEViN1887 He is a humanistic Jew. Look up Pitesti Prison look what happened when humanist Jews ran Romania, the ones who killed the czar, we saw where this is headed.
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
@TheAmazingamerica What the guy? I thought he's the president of the atheist assholes alliance, how is he a Jew.
dEViN1887 6 months ago
@dEViN1887 Most Jews are atheists. They don't want to follow all those 613 commandments so they just pick out the good parts. One tribe studies Torah, one tribe is the political arm, etc. See humanist Jews or atheist Jews, wiki.
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
I don't think an atheist will get elected anytime in the next 50 years. Not entirely bad.
drjackflash 7 months ago
I disagree, people thought we'd never have a black president... It comes down to the person, if they're charismatic enough, if they can rally a certain base (like the youth vote), an atheist president is certainly possible today.
Ladiesman1447 8 months ago
@Ladiesman1447 I think it very much so depends on how they display their beliefs. I am an atheist and I very much so am proud of that, and when questioned I don't waver on saying what I believe. Many atheists are not like this. That's a lot of the atheist movement right now, is trying to get them to be more vocal about their true beliefs. If think for an atheist to be president in todays culture he'd have to be decently subtle about the issue.
imbored3210 7 months ago
There are a lot of "down low" gay guys who don't call themselves gay, but they are of no use to the movement toward gay rights. In fact, they're detrimental and are likely to have retrogressive opinions on issues like gay marriage. Similarly, I have atheist friends who won't self-identify as atheist, and they're big supporters of Christianity because of their conservative values and their assumption that Christianity promotes those values.
eswyatt 8 months ago
I don't understand why David was being a little snarky, David S. wasn't pushing anything.
MrAnimated 8 months ago
I don't think atheists will be even close to presidency since the country's way too fundamentally Christian. You'd have to break down the general religious beliefs which has never happened in any human society in history.
kamikrazi123 8 months ago
You can be religious and secular at the same time. Its not that uncommon.
I think there needs to be more focus on secularism. There may be good secular candidates that happens to be religious, which might even be a pro in regards to gathering vote.
I have met loads of people that believe in a God, but that think law/gov should be based on man because man has free will and that God, in their view, wont really interfere regardless.
Lobos222 8 months ago
David, you pretty much fall under the category of a reformed Jew. Most reformed Jews are just secular, cultural Jews.
MultiUniv3rsal 8 months ago
@MultiUniv3rsal That doesn't mean he actually IS a reform Jew though.
IsItTheBagel 8 months ago
@IsItTheBagel You're absolutely right, it's 100% up to him what he wants to call himself. I vote Pastafarian.
MultiUniv3rsal 8 months ago
@IsItTheBagel The problem is this, the Jewish religion states they need to destroy Jesus and Muhammad in order for their end days to take place, so how are we to know they just are not saying they are "jewish atheist" in reality they are the political tribe for their religion and are sneaking in this culture to satisfy it? As in Noahide Law.
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
@TheAmazingamerica That doesn't really have to do with what I said, but whatever. Being raised Jewish, I've never heard of the notion that for the end days to happen, we to "destroy Jesus and Muhammad". Where exactly does it say that in Torah or elsewhere?
IsItTheBagel 6 months ago
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@IsItTheBagel What does it mean to be the "light to the nations?" What does it mean to destroy infadels?
Go into the land smash their idols? O.T. But for a more in depth study, look up the Noahide Laws, not just the seven that was passed on Education Day in the U.S. but the 100 of chapters under them, u could probably find them on a Chabbad site. Then compare that with what is going on in the world regarding the degrating of Christianity and Muslims, it seems to be a good fit.
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
I think Dave is confusing religion and culture. Dave come to the Anthropology course I run and we'll teach you the functionality and structure of these systems.
28stads 8 months ago
I AM an atheist and I love it!!! I actually have to be held accountable for my views and opinions and I appreciate that challenge and reality.
28stads 8 months ago
Belief systems are not the issue, it's the overwhelmingly disproportionate power of lobbying groups to sway our representatives in congress, It doesn't matter if your president is christian or atheist, the power of the dollar is the final word.
drpeppa2357 8 months ago
I'm asking for a smart president, not a president of any (a)theism. I mean who gives a shit?
moccamonster 8 months ago
someone says atheist, and people automatically think of Hitler, Mao, Pol pot, and Stalin
BEARARMZ 8 months ago
@BEARARMZ Hitler was a christian, unless i'm mistaken
TheXstrat 8 months ago
@TheXstrat A Catholic, to be exact.
MultiUniv3rsal 8 months ago
@TheXstrat idk i always hear christians say he was an atheist, and atheists say he was christian
BEARARMZ 8 months ago
@BEARARMZ googled it, answer didnt make much sense. said he supported christian values and liked the use of christian images as propaganda, but didnt designate his faith as christian, so idk.
TheXstrat 8 months ago
@TheXstrat most likely atheist or agnostic.
BEARARMZ 8 months ago
@BEARARMZ As all of those people saw themselves as the final word on anything, none of them were atheists. They all belong to the church of cult of personality.
MultiUniv3rsal 8 months ago
@DiscoRByrno belief: 1. An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
Theists twist our words all the time, but I don't play their game. I use dictionary definitions, not theistic jargon. It's time theists learn to do the same, or at least be called on it when they don't. I've been making my point longer than many of those with whom I argue have been alive. Trust me, I hold my own.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
At 8:50 - David Silverman is OK, but he's no Louis.
Tanfeliz 8 months ago
@DiscoRByrno Atheists can and do have beliefs. A belief is something accepted as true. I believe that all gods are fictional characters, therefore, I believe in none of them, i.e. accept none as true. I don't reject beliefs, I reject baseless claims about the existence of gods. You don't like the way I phrased it, so you tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
I have no idea what watching TAE has to do with this.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
I suspect what he is trying to say is that there is no semi-unified set of beliefs among atheists like there often are among theists, for example.
That would make the reference to TAE make more sense, as Matt Dillahunty (one of the major hosts and president of the ACA) often has discussions and sometimes rants on that topic.
1RadicalOne 8 months ago
@1RadicalOne Of course the only thing that all atheists necessarily have in common is that we believe that all gods are fictional characters. I've been an atheist for over 45 years, and arrived at my conclusions on my own, so I really don't need other atheists, even on TAE, telling me how to express myself. Theists misunderstand the scientific use of the word "theory" all the time, yet scientists are not about to change the word they use because it can be misinterpreted by theists. Neither am I.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
Of course not, but they can be and are often good sources of information.
1RadicalOne 8 months ago
@1RadicalOne Yes, they can, but I don't necessarily agree with everything they, or any other atheists, say. I always reserve the right to have and express my own opinions, regardless of what's popular. If I were not that way, I wouldn't have been openly atheist in the 1960s. I'd have kept it to myself because it was unpopular. Really, we get flack now, but then? Strangers wearing religious jewelry actually accosted me on the street and told me I had "no right" to wear my "God Isn't" button.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
I have a story that "one-ups" that. Back when I was in university, I was working on a computer simulation of aerodynamics of some part (whose identity now eludes me), and when the person next to me somehow found out that I was not a fundamentalist like them, they responded by pulling the plug on my computer, "accidentally" spilling a drink all over the keyboard and myself, and telling me that if they were in charge I would be in jail.
1RadicalOne 8 months ago 8
@1RadicalOne Yeah, but they're the ones with superior morals, eh?
YY4Me133 8 months ago
Well, to these people, the idea of a genocide in the name of their god is, if not overtly superior, at least acceptable.
1RadicalOne 8 months ago
@1RadicalOne That is very rude of them to have done that. Did you file a complaint with the university of police?
DoubleR2591 3 weeks ago
@YY4Me133 As Silverman said, if atheism is a religion or a belief system, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. Or being bald is a hair colour. Atheism is by definition a content-less word. It doesn't tell you anything about someone. It's the default state of every person ever born. It's religion which modifies us.
This is why some atheists don't like the word "atheist", as having a word to describe the lack of belief in something is fairly absurd.
BigMikeMcBastard 8 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard I prefer to point out that neither atheism nor theism is a religion. Theists make the connection between theism and religion, but it's not necessarily there. One can believe in a god or gods and not adhere to any religion.
The word "atheist" does tell you something about someone: they don't believe that any gods are real. The only reason we need a word to express that is because religion is so pervasive that most people take it for granted that everyone believes in a god.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
@YY4Me133 If you don't believe in god you're really better off not using the word atheist though. We don't need it and it doesn't help. "Atheism" is a loaded word with a lot of people, and they'll assume that because you're an atheist you don't believe in anything, or you claim to KNOW that there is no god, or what have you. I am with Sam Harris on this. It's much better to simply refer to one's self as "non-religious". These days, with "dogmatic New Atheism" a phrase used unironically...
BigMikeMcBastard 8 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard I really don't give a crap if it's a "loaded" word, or if theists assume things, or if Sam Harris doesn't like it. The word "atheist" has worked for me for over 40 years, so maybe it's because I'm old, or maybe it's because I refuse to allow others to set my agenda, but I'm going to continue to call myself an "atheist," and say that I "know" all gods are fictional characters unless and until evidence to the contrary is produced. I will not water down my atheism.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
@YY4Me133 That's super.
BigMikeMcBastard 8 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Okay, now I'm confused. Do you have a problem with the word "atheist," or don't you?
YY4Me133 8 months ago
The reason people don't like the idea of an Atheist president, is that the thought of moral governing with no afterlife, seems like a pass to "not care" What I mean is, if there is no punishment for sins, or no consequences for imoral behavior, wouldn't an atheist be looked at as more capable of performing immorallity? "I'm Jhon Doe, and I beleive nothing happens when you die"....please vote for me! But a Religious polotician seems like they are "guided" buy the afterlife. IMO
habitualstudios 8 months ago
It just means your an atheist but a cultural Jew (like me) :)
treehugrurthluvrsupr 8 months ago
I'm not necessarily asking for an atheist president, but I'm asking for separation of church and state.
treehugrurthluvrsupr 8 months ago 30
And that's different fom how religious people treat atheists ... how? lol
DeSadeM 8 months ago
atheist groups are so douche-y. yeah, we get it. you think all theists are idiots and all around bad people. then they try to convince people that atheism is the way to go, all the while being assholes to those people
AndroidPhantom 8 months ago
@AndroidPhantom Are you being pretentious and assuming that all Atheists are the same. Man you theists manifest ignorance in similar ways, ignorantly classifying us making us seem like such assholes when we're just responding to the condescending nature in which theists treat Atheism and Atheists. I guess if I went around thinking I was saving people I'd get pretty annoyed when people tried to tell me otherwise, or constantly imploring me to manifest proof when there is none. That must suck =)
Raiderfan123 8 months ago
@Raiderfan123 i know not all atheists are like him. i said "atheist groups" as collective entities. i'm an agnostic myself (don't care enough to believe or deny), and i realize that people w/ one thing in common aren't always identical in belief on everything. just take a sec, breathe, and chilliax (that sounds less douchy in my mind with the calm voice and all. on the interwebs it looks sarcastic and confrontational)
AndroidPhantom 8 months ago
@AndroidPhantom Not all atheists are like him, im one myself and i found him annoying and bit arrongant, i go to a methodist school myself and dont really care what personal faith people hold, its just that though personal, i actually think the idea of a higher being or consciousness kinda interesting, it just has no place in deciding our government or our values, it is a personal self discovery nothing more, because nothing is provable, im a secularist above all
XepicmeauX 8 months ago
@XepicmeauX i'm a nontheist myself and i realize not all people w/ 1 thing in common are always identical in belief on everything. it is interesting isn't it. it is at its base form a scientific quandary about the beginning of this universe = titillation for the mind. i'm a social capitalist above all btw :)
AndroidPhantom 8 months ago
probably within 10 yrs or 12 yrs
dsjanc 8 months ago
Atheism, is not a religion, because the world only defines what a person DOES NOT believe. A religion, or a complete worldview of any kind, can only call itself a religion or worldview by not only defining what it does not believe, but specifically defining what it does believe. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in God, and that lack of belief can come about due to a plethora of causes and rationales. Atheism is as much of religion as being transparent is a color.
alphacause 8 months ago
@alphacause I was about to post the same thing XD Well said.
TheYouthHeroic 8 months ago
It was only 47 years ago that the Civil Rights Act was passed, and now we have a President who is half black in the White House. No one would have thought in 1964 that this was possible. So it is not such a far stretch to say that an atheistic candidate, say within the next 25 years, could win the Presidency. Ann Gillard, the current Prime Minister of Australia, is an atheist, so there is an example of an atheist leading a free democracy.
alphacause 8 months ago
@alphacause Australia had actually had atheists before that though Gough Whitlam was an atheist Prime minister in Australia in the early 70s. That is how far America is slipping behind in this specific area.
SuperBenzid 8 months ago
@alphacause *Julia Gillard :)
XepicmeauX 8 months ago
@XepicmeauX Sorry. I stand corrected. The name of the Australian Prime Minister is Julia Gillard. Thank you for the correction.
alphacause 8 months ago
Atheism is a portion of the progressive agenda and is in sharp contrast to the values of the majority of Americans just like many of the topics the progressives harp on. If an atheist understood the constitution and how to govern vice rule then I would see the question as moot. There are more important things to focus on besides religion or lack thereof. Eliminating the progressive agenda would be a far better focus than giving another branch of it a place at the table.
maconsumner 8 months ago
@maconsumner Your idea that people wanting what they want is an agenda is fucking despicable. What's your agenda or is that just a semantic tool used by the week to describe the beliefs they disagree with.
bunkmasterflex 8 months ago
@bunkmasterflex There is nothing wrong with “people wanting what they want”, you should just never do it at the expense of another person. That is in a nutshell the agenda of the progressive/liberal movement. Lots of rights, but no responsibility to provide for your own needs. Less profanity and more content will make what you are trying to say clear my friend.
maconsumner 8 months ago
@maconsumner your denial knows no bounds, is any political movement not the exact same thing as this so called agenda? Anarchism is the only view in which you don't force other's to abide by someone else's point of view. Every aspect of society is either willing or unwilling compromise for what someone thinks is right. Is this not true? What is the goal of this agenda? is it to make money? is to make people unhappy? or is it a group people who want their views to be heard, as in a democracy?
bunkmasterflex 8 months ago
@bunkmasterflex That’s not true, I am a constitutionalist and a Libertarian. My belief system includes personal freedom that is paired with personal responsibility for one’s self. Anarchists are like many other movements, have huge contradiction. You can call things conservative or Liberal, R or D, it doesn’t matter, they are both in the business of controlling the lives of others. I want gov to collect taxes for constitutionally mandated items, then leave me alone.
maconsumner 8 months ago
While I despise any moron who refuses to vote for a candidate simply because they lack a belief in their particular deity, I have to say, I honestly don't care if my president is an atheist. I just want them to be a person with a moral compass, an IQ in at least the double-digits, the vision of a brighter future in their mind, and the willpower to make it so. It's not about religion versus secularism as much as it's about spineless, ignorant bigots versus reasonable, ethical people.
davethehostage 8 months ago 28
@davethehostage According to the Constitution and its amendments, we should not even be discussing religions when talking about elections. However, we live in the real world where Politicians, mostly UNDERHANDED REPUBS and LAME DEMS invoke 'gods' to appeal for votes.
But once someone is elected, I agree with your definitions of a politician.
RON PAUL 2012
topthickproducer 8 months ago
@davethehostage you probably mean the IQ in the triple digits :) 105 IQ is pretty average in some countries just saying. Nice comment btw
esiosan 7 months ago
@davethehostage They should just call themselves Bolsheviks.
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
What candidate doesn't participate in the, "Who is the best Christian contest?"
Christian, Ron Paul!
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vechorik 4 months ago
@vechorik Idiot.
davethehostage 4 months ago
@DiscoRByrno To say that atheists "don't believe in god" is wrong because you used the singular form of the word "god." It's not like there's only one god that humans believe in. There are thousands of gods, and not a shred of evidence for any of them. That's why I said "Atheists believe in no gods (plural)." Atheists don't "LACK the belief in god" any more than we LACK belief in the Bogeyman or invisible garden faeries. We simply reject baseless claims that gods, or the Bogeyman, exist.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
It's not going to happen tomorrow, it's not going to happen overnight, And it's especially not going to happen if our apparent progressive media snickers at the ideal of those without any believe in a specific god or the premise that it's possible. Way to play Atheists as though they're inferior. I am getting really tired of David legitimizing unjustifiable views. This new's doesn't need spin pakman has already been spun!
bunkmasterflex 8 months ago
Atheists or people that aren't even religious won't be elected unless people start being open minded and less selfish to their own religion. It's quite sad that people actually think just because they're muslim, atheist, agnostic, jewish, etc. they won't do as good of a job as a christian president. We have a long ways to go.
NickmickRs 8 months ago
i dont feel like I'm part of a relegion you know i dont feel like i am a jew muslim or christian but i believe that there is a god what am i? and are there more people like me :)
music073 8 months ago
@music073 You are Agnostic i would think.
BucketheadBenz 8 months ago
@music073 Look up Deism. You could probably relate to that a lot.
fatkat444 8 months ago
Im not an Atheists Im a free thinker.
stuckOnDom 8 months ago
David Silverman is cool.
d3st88 8 months ago
Atheism is no more a religion than theism is. Both are simply positions with respect to the nonexistence/existence of a god or gods. Atheists believe in no gods. Theists believe in at least one god. That's it. Religion is an entirely separate issue.
If liking matzah brei makes one jewish, there are an awful lot of people who are jewish but don't know it.
YY4Me133 8 months ago 2
@YY4Me133 Atheists don't 'believe in no god'. Atheism is the 'lack of belief in god'. Subtle but important difference. Your definition is more Gnostic Atheist.
drummerkid1993 8 months ago
@drummerkid1993 I don't like the word "lack" because it has multiple meanings, one of which is "deficient," which means "Lacking an essential quality or element."
Perhaps "believe in no gods" wasn't the best choice of words, if only because of the controversy it caused. However, I say again, I will not change the way I express myself because some theist might twist my words, or because another atheist gets their panties in a wad. My point was that atheists believe in no gods. That is true.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
@YY4Me133 I still don't accept your definition. Atheism is not a belief position. It's the rejection of a belief, or lack of belief. Your definition refers to positive atheism.
drummerkid1993 8 months ago
@drummerkid1993 Atheism is a belief. I gave a dictionary definition of belief. You seem to be hung up on the word "belief," and I don't know why. I believe that gods, leprechauns, and invisible garden faeries are fictional characters, i.e. I accept as true that they're fictional, made up, not real. Call it "positive atheism" if that makes you feel better. I don't use such labels.
I don't reject "beliefs." I reject unfounded claims.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
@YY4Me133 All you did was reword I don't believe in leprechauns and etc. Might as well say theism is a disbelief because theists don't believe that God does not exist.
HybridD91 8 months ago
@HybridD91 I never said anything about disbelief, so I think you're just pulling my chain now.
I'm tired of all this hoopla over nothing but semantics. At this point all I'll be doing is repeating myself, so I'm done with this particular subject.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
Australia has had an atheist Prime Minister, Bob Hawke.
patrickcorliss 8 months ago
@patrickcorliss Talking about United States though. I'm pretty sure Australia has a public option also.
TheBeardedMarxist 8 months ago
@TheBeardedMarxist
I didn't get that, Bearded One. Australia has a public option?
patrickcorliss 8 months ago
@patrickcorliss Our current PM is as well.
fatkat444 8 months ago
@fatkat444
Sorry, Master.
patrickcorliss 8 months ago
@patrickcorliss Woah what's with the attitude? I was just adding to your comment...sharing a little info perhaps you might've not known. I wasn't aware Bob Hawke was, and now I know thanks to your comment, so thankyou.
fatkat444 8 months ago
@fatkat444
I was just going to say thanks when I saw that you were a Master in martial arts. Jist for fun I thought I'd spice up the answer with pretend fearfulness. Sorry it didn't come off.
Truly I didn't know about Julia Gillard which proves the point that most people in Australia don't particularly care about a politician's religious affiliation providing they don't let it affect their representation of their constituents. Tony Abbott, however, gets challenged. Understandably.
patrickcorliss 8 months ago
@patrickcorliss Oh here I was thinking you were a capricious and mean-spirited commenter, when all along you were a well-researched and humorous commenter. Were you fond of my background? It's a little inside joke.
Agreed. On Q&A one night the coalition education minister stated he'd like to see the bible and creationism taught in public schools. As long as they have people like that guiding their party, they should never be allowed power.
fatkat444 8 months ago
Governing a country ought to be based on that country's ethos (Constitution, for example), the good of the people, and close interpretation of certifiable empirical data before making any policy decisions.
"Belief" is absolutely irrelevant to governance. Look at the previous Administration, who "believed" that there were WMD in Iraq!
pachomius1000 8 months ago
For a perspective on the effects of religion, do a search of "religiosity and intelligence."
There are at least 43 different studies that show atheists are, on average, more intelligent than Christians as well as other religious people.
This is obviously not a coincidence. If you are willing to believe in an invisible sky daddy, then you are capable of believing anything.
judoyodan 8 months ago
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when they care more about the economy that sodomites getting married, or our national debt over whores killing their babies
TheUnitedStatists 8 months ago
A recommended Video for those of you settling disputes with christians, the entire christian religion is a plagiarism of other pagan religions and even the egyptian faith.
Watch the first 30 minutes or so of "Zeitgeist: The Movie" so very wholesome and interesting comparisons in there with our revolving faith of the Son. If you'd rather not dip into the conspiratorial bits, don't watch any further.
drpeppa2357 8 months ago
The Institutionalized Christian churches of the world have defyed the Jesus' teachings almost as if it is a joke. It is so obvious and blatant that it is almost comedic i swear. Oh goodness its actually funny when I think people sit in Church and listen to 1 human man speak as if that man has anything to offer about the real world. Why can't every person in the Church speak their mind? A preist or minister has no clue about what goes on in the life of an every day man.
hailtotheking324 8 months ago
With regard to the god of the bible, and the creation story etcetera, I am definitely NOT agnostic. We know for a fact that the creation story of the bible is not true, so in that sense, there is absolutely no reason to take an agnostic stance.
BoyKissBoy 8 months ago
Every "Christian" president that is elected does not believe in god. Waging war, being bribed, and destroying peoples liberty is not very Christian. As a moderate Christian I can say that any person belonging to a Church or other institution is not a Christian. Super Institutions that invest in the global economy are not Christian. Most of our presidents are surrounded and influence by death dealers whos greed is driven by blood and other resources.
hailtotheking324 8 months ago
Being agnostic does not exclude being either theist or atheist. Agnostic means that you are not sure (in this case whether any gods exist). Being theist means you believe some god/gods exist, and being atheist means you believe that no gods exist. I myself is definitely atheist. Strictly speaking, I am agnostic with regard to the supernatural, but in practise I am not. I firmly believe that there is no such thing as supernatural entities or phenomena–and thus–no gods.
BoyKissBoy 8 months ago
Hockey is a RELIGION in Canada, they go batshit crazy over it.
GenerationXeroFilms 8 months ago
like many other things, a persons religious beliefs should not matter when running for president.
AceofDiamonds0 8 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0 So you would elect a satanist? cmon meow...
Grevlo 8 months ago
@Grevlo yep i would, if i agreed with them on serious issues like economy, social issues, immigration, ect.
AceofDiamonds0 8 months ago
You should get AronRa on the show instead! This guy seems pretty agreeable to me, but he needs to think about how he phrases stuff. I think I understand what he means when he says he puts atheism above religion, because in his (and my) opinion, truth (that there is very likely no god) is better than untruth (that god is a fact and he will send you to hell if you don't believe in him), but saying that he is above others really isn't smart nor sympathetic. That will just fuel conflict... :(
BoyKissBoy 8 months ago
this guy makes athiest look bad i dont like you having him on
kazooga1234 8 months ago
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When a majority of Americans votes for them... duh!
USA4July1776 8 months ago
like hell. i wish but the sad fact is, america at its current state will never vote for anyone other then a coathlic, christain, and a jew. they would never vote for an athiest let alone a muslim.
lebronjamesXD 8 months ago
athiest is the absence of a religion and thats why agnotsic cant fit in there because if you believe there could be a god then you blieve there could be a religion
kazooga1234 8 months ago
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@kazooga1234 correction, you believe there is only one true religion.
lebronjamesXD 8 months ago
@kazooga1234 Stop spamming, you've spammed like 7 comments in a row!
enemy2k10 8 months ago
@enemy2k10 1 they where all different 2 some of them were replies 3 i can type as many comments as i want its not spamming unless i say something like s for s or something stupid like that
kazooga1234 8 months ago
@kazooga1234 Oh sorry, I misunderstood.
enemy2k10 8 months ago
@enemy2k10 its kool it happens a lot
kazooga1234 8 months ago
That moron has no idea what he is talking about if you looked up each definition seperately they are all somewhat different. Athiest means it's impossible for there to be a god. Agnostic means there could possibly be a god to most likely is a god. I don't know the other ones.
kazooga1234 8 months ago
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@kazooga1234 Exactly, agnostics, such as myself, are just making a statement of fact instead of a statement of faith... i.e. we do not possess the capacity to make a statement regarding the existence of God one way or another. Everyone on Earth, as a matter of fact, is an agnostic... as a matter of faith, however, taking that leap, one can make a statement about the existence of God in the opposite or negative.
I'm agnostic but consider myself a Christian and can't stand militant atheists.
USA4July1776 8 months ago
@USA4July1776 exactly i hated when i was agnotic and people called me athiest and i hate now that i am athiest that people ask if believe its possible for there to be a god
i also became athiest because nobody could define the defintion of god for me so if something doesnt have a deffintion it cant exist (thats how i feel)
kazooga1234 8 months ago
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@kazooga1234 Also a good point. The answer depends on how one defines God.
USA4July1776 8 months ago
agnotics arent atheists they beleieve there can be a god athiest means impossible for there to be a god
kazooga1234 8 months ago
what that guy says is wrong he is forgetting that agnostic is a word and agnostics believe there could be or there is a god but not a specific one and athiests say its impossible for there to be a god
kazooga1234 8 months ago
In the UK we had an Atheist primeminister after churchill, our deputy PM is an Atheist and the leader o