hey Karl i dont belong in Australia mother fucker do something i live in Melbourne reservoir 3073 MC McMahon rd come dick head do something i am in ur country taking ur jobs eating ur food breathing in ur land wtf can u do coward i gave u my home addresses
@vikingaprinsessan no. every muslim on the planet needs to do that since israel and america are scapegoats.
muslims believe themselves to be perfect. therefore, they can't be the cause of any of their problems or failures. the cause must be america and israel. even though the actual cause is backwards islamic teachings.
@LastRambo341 look at this dumb muslim bitch, doing exactly what i expected him to do.
yes, i have studied islam. i know what it says in the koran and hadith. there is "anti-islamic" media, which i'm sure you think the jews run.
islam is a backwards system started by a child raping whore named muhammad. wherever it takes hold, you see failure. since muslims believe they are perfect, they always blame others. end of story.
Typical Islamophobic bird-brain that knows nothing and started taking info from dumb media and sources. You wanna know Islam and the Prophet? Go ask an Imam, other than that, you're NOTHING. You're a liar saying you read the Quran and hadith because your opinion wouldn't be like that. And no, I like the West, and I have Western friends. You could tell the white superpowers to get off of Iraq and Afghanistan
telling the truth isn't phobia. a phobia is an irrational anxiety not rooted in reality, like agoraphobia. stating facts about a backwards ideology started by a child rapist isn't that.
i see, anyone who read the koran MUST BELIEVE THAT ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL!! sorry, idiot! islam is shit. any religion that allows for child marriage and wife-beating is BULLSHIT.
Truth? I;m a muslim for 21 years, Don't teach me about rubbish that you "studied" and taken out of context. If you studied Islam well, then you would know that mentioning "child marriage" and "wife beating" is STUPID cuz it makes you look like a typical Islam-hating scum who try to use the same criticism that have been countered for decades. You wont ask any imam? Then you admit ur defeat, WEAK. I have Western friends they like me ;), but ppl like you are discriminating scums
@LastRambo341 no, no, idiot. how many times do i have to tell you that telling the truth isn't hate?
your whore prophet married aisha when she was 6, and he was 51. when she was 9, and he was 54, he CONSUMMATED the marriage. this is why 9 is the legal age of consent, and little girls are married off to old pigs TODAY. this is why 65:4 in the koran tells men how to divorce their wives when they haven't started their period and they've already consummated.
@LastRambo341 wife-beating is completely legal under sharia. go read 4:34 in your shit koran. this happens every day legally. but, of course, muslim males aren't allowed to hit in the face! you idiots have standards.
not to mention stoning adulterers, whipping fornicators, chopping off hands of thieves, women's testimony worth half in court, women inheriting half of what men do, etc. i could go on.
there is no context for this. this is 7th century backwards law. islam is backwards.
@LastRambo341 i've asked imams, and they're all lying scumbags like you.
they cry about translation, context, culture, phobia, racism. BLAH BLAH BLAH. muslims are so stupid they think people actually believe them. talk about admitting defeat. all of islam has been defeated. that's why muslims live like animals.
of course you've been getting criticism for decades. BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. you're just too stupid to see it. stay in the UAE. DON'T EVER COME HERE.
All I can say is that you're misinformed and just lost. If you really wanna study, ask Imams and research well, instead of reading junk and taking things out of context. You can't teach me Islam, because I KNOW IT, I sTUDIED it for 21 YEARS. You haven't, and you're just reading rubbish. I hope to God that helps lead you the away. I won't bother with a hating and discriminating individual like you who has no proper knowledge of the subject that I studied for 21 yrs.
@LastRambo341 misinformed? bitch, you are the misinformed one. everything i just said is straight from the koran. you don't even know anything about your own religion.
you haven't studied anything for 21 years. you're an ignorant muslim and a stupid bitch. you're nothing but a liar, like all muslims are. what a fucking joke.
and btw, there is no god. your allah is an imaginary friend in the sky and his prophet muhammad was a whore.
@LastRambo341 non-muslims like me can tell the truth. muslim men like you are all lying whores.
you want me to teach you? fine. you're too stupid and lazy to go read your own books. dumbass muslim bitch. this is what happens when you follow a child raping whore like muhammad.
@LastRambo341 “That the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (till his death).” Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 64
your whore prophet was 54. aisha was 9. that means he looked a prepubescent child, got an erection, put it in her vagina, and ejaculated. that's called child rape. under sharia, it's legal and happens TODAY because he's a source of law for all time.
look what this stupid muslim whore is doing. I QUOTED YOUR OWN HADITH TO YOU, AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS CRY ABOUT ISLAMOPHOBIA, SLANDER, AND POST SOME BULLSHIT LINKS.
listen, bitch. slander is saying things that are FALSE. truth is an absolute defense. IT'S NOT PHOBIA TO TELL THE TRUTH. there is no proper context for child rape.
your 54 year old prophet looked at a small child AND THEN RAPED HER. he's a whore and now you follow him.
@LastRambo341 i just love teaching dumb muslim whores. catching you in your lies so much fun for me.
then we wonder why the muslim world is so fucked up. look at libya. look at egypt. look at saudi arabia. look at yemen. look at somalia, algeria, pakistan.
all muslim men are stupid whore, and that's because you follow a child rapist. now get back to crying about slander and islamophobia. i want to laugh some more.
LMAO, you just got defeated. YOU, a non-Muslim who "studied" (LOL) knows better than THREE leading Muslim scholars? YA ok, you just got yourself screwed. You don't know anything about the Prophet or Islam. Don't teach an A student (me) when you're an F student ;). I've got 21 years of knowledge you filth while you...ZERO.
@LastRambo341 i quoted it from your own hadith and koran, you dumb whore.
you're the one following a pedophile child rapist. feel sorry for yourself. there is nothing sadder than a dumb lying muslim who thinks people might believe him. so sad.
but like i said, when a whore like muhammad is your example in life, what should we expect?
The 3 videos counter your whole "I quote from hadith and koran". You're a dumb idiot taking things out of context, and then you cry, "oh excuses!' LMAO. The videos prove:
1) Prophet was not a pedo
2) Wife shouldn't be beaten
You shouldn;t take the verses and the hadith too literally. You have to explore and take them out of context. but hey, you're not a muslim so you study in a dumbass way
@LastRambo341 1. a 54 year old man who rapes a 9 year old child is a pedo.
2. i quoted 4:34 straight from your shit koran. beat means beat, and it happens everday.
what the fuck are you talking about "literally"? HOW ELSE IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN? is the koran the perfect word of god OR NOT? is muhammad the last and greatest prophet, OR NOT?
there is no context that makes either of these okay. it's islam. you're just too stupid to understand. that's why you're a dumb muslim whore.
@LastRambo341 the saddest thing in the world is a muslim in denial.
your "videos" prove nothing. you're just another lying muslim that nobody believes. go beat your 9 year old wife, you stupid pedo. islam is for stupid men, so you're in the right religion.
and there are plenty of videos on youtube talking about the right way for muslims to beat their wives. you have to avoid the face, just so you know. take it easy on the kid you married, okay?
Watch the videos and don't take the verses literally, that is not how the Quran is. You're just being delusional. Don;t teach me Islam when I know it more than you
@LastRambo341 ok u tese the prophet i will kill u i live in melbourne reservior 3073 please come because by the night and day i will fukin kill u u stupid i will kill u fast so god will put u in hell for etternity
@LastRambo3414:34--Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them.
As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.
got that, dumb muslim bitch? MEN CAN BEAT THEIR WIVES.
@LastRambo341 whenever you want to learn more about your child rapist religion, let me know.
muslims are so fucking stupid, everything has to be spelled out for them, especially the males. but when you follow a pedophile like muhammad, what should we expect?
@LastRambo341 and no, i won't ask any imam about this. muslims like you are all lying taqiyya bullshitters who expect people to believe your lies.
you like the west? well, the west doesn't like you. don't ever come here. we have too many muslims collecting welfare already.
iraq and afghanistan? tell osama to stop blowing shit up. i oppose those wars too. we should have invaded mecca instead, that would have solved way more problems.
@karlsmith00 why would u say child raping man if islam was in world power like they were before in time and will again u would be the most wanted man in law your head is halal ur going hell
@karlsmith00 mother fucker wer do u live fight u coward americans come to contries and fight people with misiles fight on the floor u coward come any were in melbourne tell me and i will kill you
americans bombed the serbs 2 destroy yugoslvia not 2 help muslims.
muslims were massacared & america imposed sanctions on bosnian muslims on arms sales,millions lost their lives . muslims 4rm around the world got in the battle as volunteers 2 help the bosnian innocent ppl against the serb terrorist.
america was not caringworried about muslims,it wanted 2 destroy communist yugoslavia by breaking it into pieces.
@satanischristian aye right america didnt impose sanctions because weapons were found smuggled in with humanitarian aid....
plus, there were alot of muslims who fought on the serbian side aswell, who alija izbetgovic liquidated. it is not a war on islam, its the neo cons and the nwo who want resources and to colonise parts of the world, the arab world is full of natural resources
all over the world countries have muslim problems, Australia.indonesia, russia china, all of europe most of africa, only mexico and other latin american countries, no to few mosques no muslims no problem.
the mufti is a serb or croat. His ancestors converted to islam under ottoman rule. there is no such thing as "muslim" as a race, it is an identity tag.
mufti should stop spinning out alija izbetgovic propoganda.
BoredtoDistraction.. this is our validation/my validation of the Islamic world, Ibn Ishaq and or Al Tabari, seen as un-reliable. Their works have been dismissed by well known and well respected greatest Islamic Scholars the world has known. Now this has been quite long, my wife is waiting for me to make love to her.. so if you can excuse me for now, while a relax and freshen up.
There are many problems with his stories (no chain of tramissions, no source for his material, etc). Therefore we can conclude that most of the chainless narrations/stories found in Ibn Ishaq's book 120 years after the Prophet's death are false. As Muslims we accept the Quran and Hadith only to be 100% true. We don't accept most of Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi or Al-Tabari.
Ibn Ishaq, Al-Tabari, Al-Waaqidi, Ibn S'ad and others simply related as much material as possible from ANY source whether Muslim, Jew, Christian, Pagan, etc. in order for the muhadditheen (scholars of hadith) to sift through and express opinions of reliability and authenticity based on their examinations of the chains of narration and contexts of the alleged sayings and doings of the Prophet Muhammad.
Even the famous Polemist and Hatemonger, Robert Spencer admits in his book: The Truth about Muhammad , that "However, Ibn Ishaq's life of Muhammad is so unashamedly hagiographical that its accuracy is questionable." [25] Yet in the 400 footnotes of Robert's book, 120 of them are referenced to Ibn Ishaq! This is one the reasons why I can't take Christian critics aganist Islam seriously--- they pick and choose what they want to believe from the sources for Islam.
an if knowledable of the life of Muhammad was transmitted orally for a century before it was reduced to writing, then the chances are that the material will have undergone considerable alteration in the process" [24]
as to whether it was permissiable to reduce oral traidtion to writing. The implications of this view for reliablity of our sources are clearly rather negative. If we cannot trust the chains of authorities we can no longer claim to know that we have before us the seperate transmitted accounts of independent witnesses;
"False ascription was rife among the 8th century scholars and that in any case Ibn Ishaq and contemporaries were drawing on oral traditions. Neither of these propositions is as arbitory as it sounds. We have reason to believe that numerous traditions on questions of dogma and law were provided with spurious chains of authorities by those who put them into circulation and the same time we have much evidence of controversy in the eigth century
Muslim Scholars (Both Classical and Present) aren't the only ones that attack early Souces of Islam such as Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi, Al-Tabari, etc. Even Non Muslim Scholars reject the Early Biography material of the Prophet. Here Micheal Cook gives us his reasons for rejecting the earlier material:
[(*) Muhammad ibn `Umar al-Waqidi (d. 207), Ahmad ibn Hanbal said about Al-Waqidi is that "He is A LIAR." Al-Bukhari and Abu Hatim al-Razi said: "DISCARDED." Ibn `Adi said: "His narrations ARE NOT RETAINED, AND THEIR BANE COMES FROM HIM." Ibn al-Madini said: "HE FORGES HADITHS." Al-Dhahabi said: "CONSENSUS HAS SETTLED OVER HIS DEBILITY." [23]
Even the English translator of Ibn Sa'd's work had this to say about al-Waqidi:
The chain of the narrators is not reliable because the person who narrated to Ibn Sa'd was Waqidi WHO IS NOTORIOUS AS A NARRATOR OF FABRICATED hadithes. The next one Ya'qub is unknown and 'Abd Allah Ibn 'Abd al-Rahman is not a Companion. Consequently this narration is not trustworthy. " [22]
personally. Ash-Shafi'ee has the following to say: ""In Madinah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration. One of them was al-Waqidi." [21]
The following Muslim author writes: "As a report of history, this narration suffers from two fatally serious defects. The first is the UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED UNTRUSTWORTHINESS OF AL-WAQIDI. Details of his unreliability as a narrator would probably fill several pages, but all of it may be suitably condensed into a statement by Imam ash-Shafi'ee, who was his contemporary, and who knew him
A woman named Bunanah was beheaded because she had dropped a millstone on one of Muhammad’s men. This is found in Al-Tabari Volume 8 page 41. However again this story is false. Al-Tabrai admits there are several false stories in his collection and since this story isn't found in the hadith, but time and space won't allow me to document all of the false stories.
A woman named Bunanah was beheaded because she had dropped a millstone on one of Muhammad’s men. This is found in Al-Tabari Volume 8 page 41. However again this story is false. Al-Tabrai admits there are several false stories in his collection and since this story isn't found in the hadith, but time and space won't allow to document all of the false stories.
things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people; and such reports as al-Bakka'i told me he could not accept as trustworthy - all these things I have omitted. But God willing I shall give a full account of everything else so far as it is known and trustworthy tradition is available. [12]
omitting some of the things which I.I. has recorded in this book in which there is no mention of the apostle and about which the Quran says nothing and which are not relevant to anything in this book or an explanation of it or evidence for it; poems which he quotes that no authority on poetry whom I have met knows of;
"God willing I shall begin this book with Isma'il son of Ibrahim and mention those of his offspring who were the ancestors of God's apostle one by one with what is known about them, taking no account of Isma'il's other children,
Ibn Hisham was not a scholar of hadith. He was only a biographer and did not use the proper method of collecting Hadith and the proper way of deterimining a valid isnad. Ibn Hisham explains that in his version he omits a lot of material from Ibn Ishaq's biography:
As I have already said, the Sirat written by Ibn Ishaq only exists in a later revised and shortened version by Ibn Hisham, who died in 834 C.E, 60 years after Ibn Ishaq-- and in fragments quoted by other Muslim writers including another historian, Muhammad Ibn Jarir Al-Tabari (839-923 C.E.).
Though some thought his use of collective isnad (chains of tranmissions) problematized his Hadith, several people went so far as to call Ibn Ishaq a liar on matters of Hadith. Others claim Ibn Ishaq included verses in his Sira that he knew were not authentic.
Imam Malik was not the only contemporary of Ibn Ishaq's to have problems with him. Despite writing the earliest biography of Prophet Muhammad, Scholars such as al-Nisa'I and Yahya b. Kattan did not view Ibn Ishaq as a reliable or authoritative source of Hadith.
This is because most of their narrations are of the Maraseel (plural for Mursal) type, such as narrations reported by Urwah Ibn az-Zubair, ash-Sha'bi, az-Zuhri, Musa Ibn Uqbah and Ibn Ishaq." [10]
It is well known that most of what was reported in aspects of Tafsir (commentaries on the Qur'an) is similar to narrations reporting Maghazi (or Seerah) and battles, promoting Imam Ahmad to state that three matters do not have Isnad: Tafsir, Mala'him (i.e. great battles), and Maghazi.
"Allah has provided evidence (i.e. Isnad) establishing the authenticity or lack thereof of the narrations that are necessary in matters of the religion.
Imam Malik was a complier of a respected hadith collection, called Muwatta. Imam Malik was a hadith scholar. Imam Malik called Ibn Ishaq a liar and an imposter for writing false stories about Prophet Muhammad. Imam Malik has said that Ibn Ishaq "reports traditions on the authority of the Jews".
is known as "Imam Malik," the "Sheikh of Islam", the "Proof of the Community," and "Imam of the Abode of Emigration." [3] He was one of the most highly respected scholars of fiqh in Islam. Imam Shafi, who was one of Malik's students for nine years and a scholarly giant in his own right, stated, "when scholars are mentioned, Malik is like the star among them
Ibn Ishaq as an author was in fact subjected to devastating critique by well established and famous scholars of Hadith and theology, contemporary or later, on two particular accounts. One was his uncritical inclusion in his Sira of so much spurious or forged poetry [7] ;the other his unquestioning acceptance of just such a story as that of the slaughter of Banu Qurayza [8]. It gets worse for Ibn Ishaq though. First let's talk about what Imam Malk thought of Ibn Ishaq.
There are several stories in Ibn Ishaq which are never found in the hadith. The reason why is because several hadith collectors such as Bukhari-- did not trust Ibn Ishaq.
Most important of all, his report about Laylat al Qadr (the first revelation), contradicts all the hadith versions. The hadith collectors Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, etc were more careful in collecting their hadith (their chains of transmission).
Ibn Ishaq was writing about 150 years after the Prophet's death so this is very important. In Islamic sciences in order for a report of the Prophet (peace be on him) to be true is if the isnad is solid or not.
That his Isnads (chains of transmissions) were defective, ie not 'iron' tight by naming all the reporters, which is important because this determines whether the transmitter of the story is trustworthy or not. Ibn Ishaq was not an eye witness to any of the events of Prophet Muhammad's life.
Although Ibn Ishaq was the earliest of the traditionists to write a biography of the events that pertained to the time of Muhammad (p) there are several severe problems with his writings. As Bassam Zawadi says" just because something is early doesn't mean it is true". Ibn Ishaq was known to be careless in him collecting stories about the Prophet, etc.
"The Life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaq has been quoted by many critics of Islam. They get excited when Ibn Ishaq paints a bad picture of Prophet Muhammad and use it in their writings to attack Islam.
Ibn Is’haaq’s focus was seeragh and not hadith, therefore he was abandoned by the scholars of hadeeth (such as Bukhari and Muslim) when it came to narrating hadeeth and a reason for this might be because he included those weaker narrations while he narrated the hadeeth.
Muslim scholars question the material found in the works of Al-Waqidi, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Ishaq, etc. These were more or less historians-- they were not hadith collectors. Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi, Ibn Sa'd and Al-Tabri all operated outside of all the sciences of Islam and isnaad (Arabic for chain of transmitters).
What several critics of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fail to realize is that there is a huge difference between Sirah (Biography of the Prophet) and Hadith (the sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad). The Seerah is a collection of narrations about the people and events surrounding the Prophet (SAW) arranged in a chronological order.
While it is true that Sirat Rasulallah is the oldest and earliest biography of the Prophet-- no Muslim accpets Ibn Ishaq to be 100% true, inspired, a sunnah book or reliable. Most of the material of the Sira as we'll see has been rejected by hadith collectors such as Bukhari, etc.
Several critics of Islam say that Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah" - "Life of the Prophet of Allah" is considered the most authentic biography of Prophet Muhammad. This is certainly false.
There are almost as many poems as hadiths in Ibn Ishaq, but later commentaries tend to view them as worthless, viewed as forged. Alfred Guillaumme, translated it in English in his own monumental work "The Life of Muhammad".
There are about 600 Hadiths in Ibn Ishaq's book "Sirat Rasullah" and most of them have what appears to be questionable (at best) isnads (chains of transmissions) . But the later hadith collectors (Bukhari, Muslim, etc) rarely used any material from the Sira.
The Tafsir is among the earliest in Islam and the American Quran scholar John Wansbrough classifies it as Haggadic in his most primitive subset of the Tafsir. That is, it is primarily devoted to passing on a narrative.The campaign literature is followed by an appendix describing campaigns made by other Muslims under Muhammad's directions and a relatively brief account of his death and succession by Abu Bakr.
But before this campaign literature there is a copy of the document called the Constitution of Madina and an extensive section of Tafsir and Hadiths. Tafsir also occurs several times embedded in the campaign literature. The campaign literature itself includes extensive poetry and lists of persons involved as well as description of battles or why no battle took place.
The third part consists of a careful month-based chronology (which falls apart at the end) and the campaigns Maghazi (Ibn Ishaq counts 27, but he stretches the meaning of campaign) made by Muhammad from his base of operations in Madina are carefully embedded in this chronology.
especially about the events behind the revelation of one or another verse in the Quran (the division between Meccan and Madinan suras), lists of significant persons (for example, the earliest Muslims) and poetry. Ibn Ishaq does not attempt a chronology, but he does arrange his material in a logical sequence.
The second part, which is often called al-Mab'ath, begins with the birth of Muhammad and ends when the first fighting from his base in Madina takes place. It is a collection of prophetic hadiths,
Ibn Hisham was not interested in these stories and jumped directly to the story of Abraham, who is the ancestor of Muhammad (p) and the Arab race. Much of this part it is lost. What remains is based on Arabic traditions and the Jewish scriptures. Al Azraqi for example, quotes some passages from the missing section in his Akhbar Mecca.
The first part, the Mubtada' (Mabda'), one has to go to the Tafsir and History, which is actually based upon the Hebrew Bible, from Genesis (In the Beginning/ Mubtada'), the beginning of Creation story. Unfortunately,
The part of Ibn Hisham's work due to Ibn Ishaq is now usually called the"Sirat Rasul Allah" ("Life of Allah's Messenger"). Ibn Ishaq's work originally consisted of three almost equal parts. The first was a history of the world up until the beginning of Muhammad's ministry. The second was an account of Muhammad's work in Mecca and the third was an account of his work in Madina and his death.
This should be supplemented by the extracts in al-Tabari and other authors. For example, the story about the allegic Verses was not reported by Ibn Hisham. But it was repeated by al-Tabari and others. Ibn Hisham makes no secret - in the Introduction to his book - of the fact that he omitted some of the material Ibn Ishaq included that reflected negatively upon Muhammad's character.
We do not know if Ibn Ishaq ever wrote a "book" in the ordinary sense of books. What has come down to us seems to be from the notes taken by his pupils. The standard source is now the "Sirat al-Nabi" ("Life of the Prophet") of Abd al-Malik ibn Hisha (died 830, 835 or perhaps much later) which is a systematic presentation of Ibn Ishaq's material with a commentary by Ibn Hisham.
Alfred Guillaume's English translation is probably the best attempt at the reconstruction of Ibn Ishaq's work. This was produced largely by translating what Ibn Hisham reports from Ibn Ishaq, adding quotations from the latter that are included by al-Tabari (mainly the material that Ibn Hisham omitted) and placing Ibn Hisham's comments on Ibn Ishaq's work at the end of the translation in a section called "Ibn Hisham's Notes" [3]
The Arabic text was published at Gottingen in three volumes by F. Wustenfeld, 1858-60, and a German translation by G. Weil, The Historian of the Caliphate, appeared at Stuttgart in 1864. It is this latter work which is perhaps better known in the West, and is now more conveniently read in the English translation of the late Alfred Guilaume.
This work no longer exists in its original form, but has been preserved in at least two recensions, one of these recensions being authored by Ibn Hisham (with many revisions), as well as by Al Bakka'i, al Tabari, Yunus b. Bukayr, al Athir, Al Qarawayoun (in Fez, Morocco) manuscript, etc.; thus Ibn Hisham's work represents one of the earliest (but not entirely reliable) authorities on the life of Muhammad.
The original book has not been found but its contents were traced through other contemporaneous authors who copied his book such as Ibn Hisham.Early Muslim historical writing was primarily concerned with the biography of Muhammad (Sirat Rasul Allah) and the first wars of Islam (Al-Maghazi). Muhammad Ibn Ishaq related the first known biography (Sira).
Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad the Sira was based - besides others - on many of the reports about Prophet Muhammad from books written by several different authors called al Maghazi which described the stories of the wars that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought.
Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad the Sira was based - besides others - on many of the reports about Prophet Muhammad from books written by several different authors called al Maghazi which described the stories of the wars that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought.
It is unclear that Ibn Ishaq must have devoted himself to study and research the apostolic tradition by attending lectures in Egypt and then returning to Madina to collate and arrange all the materials that he had accumulated.
Just Because Something is ealry, doesn't mean it's true. If something is early, it just means its early. It has to be Early AND Reliable. It's possible that something is early and false."
The Problems with Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasoul Allah (Arabic for The Life of Messenger of Allah) and other Early sources of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (2009)
@Boredtodistraction To understand Islam, you must read the Quran, the Sira (biography of Mohammed), and the Hadith (collection of saying and actions by Mohammad). Most respected Sira (that is, respected by muslim clerics) are: Ishaq 'Life of the Prophet of Allah' and Al Tabari 'History of Prophets and Kings'.
@boredtodistraction The fact that even his deadliest enemies could recognise his high virtues, is itself example and evidence of his being a prophet of God. In the words of Bosworth Smith: "What more crowning proof of his sincerity is needed? Muhammad to the end of his life claimed for himself the title only with which he had begun. I venture to believe everyone will agree in yielding to the claim that he (Muhammad) was a prophet and a true prophet of God."
@BoredtoDistraction From 1974-6 he acted as consultant to the World of Islam Festival Trust and was also a member of the Arts Council Committee for thier exhibition "The arts of Islam". In 1977 he went Mecca at the invitation of King Abdul al-Aziz University to participate in the conference on Islmaic education. BoredtoDistraction.. educate yourself! Your simpy a lamen who knows nothing
@BoredtoDistraction Martin Lings took an English degree at Oxford and later at Cairo University, mainly on Shake-speare, for twelve years. in 1952 he returned to England and took a degree in Arabic at London University. From1955 he was in charge of the Arabic library at the British Museum where, in 1970, he was appointed Keeper of oriental Manuscripts and Printed Books. In 1973, when the British Library was formed, he was transferred there in the same capacity together with his whole department
No doubt The Sealed Nectar (Ar-Raheeq AI-Makhturn) is a book of great value and praiseworthy work on the life of Muhammad. This book has been written by the Eminent Shaikh Safiur-Rahman Mubarakpuri. The first Islamic Conference on Seerah (biography of the Prophet) was held in 1976 in Pakistan sponsored by the Muslim World League. The League announced a world contest for writing a book on the life of the Prophet.
A board of highly qualified scholars judged the manuscripts and announced the results. The manuscript of Shaikh Safiur-Rahman Mubarakpuri, Jamiah Salafiyah Banaras (India), author of the book in hand (The Sealed Nectar) received first the grand prize of SR 50,000 (fifty thousand Saudi Riyals) for its authentic and sound collections of the narrations.
One hundred and seventy-one manuscripts were received from all over the world. Out of these, eighty-five were in the Arabic Language, sixty-four in Urdu, twenty-one were in English and one in French and Hausa.
Scholars of Ahadith (traditions) and writers of the biography of Muhammad , the Messenger of Allah, have explored his life from every angle and aspect from birth to death. Every event, every incident of his life has been described and narrated, but none had claimed that he has given his life's recording its full rights. Hundreds of books have been written on the life of Muhammad and this endeavor will continue till the Day of Resurrection.
What a stupid debate, they don't even get intelligent people to argue against the motion. One guy'w talking about a war with a mythical group of Muslims prophesied in Islam, and the other repeating the debunked left-wing anti-war mantra about the war being for oil.
Doha debates are funded and started by jewish arabs&non muslim arabs , the planns of the doha debates are to fullfill the american&israeli agenda..they portray Doha debates as if it is a muslim debate but it is a zionist agency...they try to brainwash muslims against the mujahideen and path of islam..they use filty tricks like for example they invite 2/3 christians&atheist arabs in the audience and 1/3 muslim and then at the end of the debate they let the audience decide who has won
@TurkishMujahid and then ofcourse the atheist&christians are going to win everytime for example , there is a doha debate about " womens rights in islam " and it is about the topic , " should a muslim women be able to marry a non-muslim man " and ofcourse all of the muslim debaters + the muslim women&men in the audience(1/3 of the audience) say NO but then they have also invited 2 fake muslim debaters and 2/3 atheist arabs&christians in the debate and they say YES and ofcourse the YES party "won"
@TurkishMujahid the same they do with the debate on " islamic extremism " they did the same tricks there with inviting a majority of NON MUSLIMS to a so called MUSLIM debate...so anyway muslims watching these debates both on tv and internet should be aware that the doha administration are just following american propaganda agenda...
This isn't a war on ISLAM, This is a War from God on us Muslims, because we have forgotton and are not acting like Muslims. Now its our Muslims turn to face God's wrath. Everybody hates and despise us Muslims. There must something were doing wrong. God has given Muslims the criterion to show whats right and wrong, but we Muslims just read the Quran and their is nothing practical about us Muslims anymore. I have more rights living in a western country than a Muslim country.. how sad is that!
He God put them (Muslims) into trials and tribulations. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: It is expected that the nations will call other nations to share them against you (Muslims) as the eaters call each other to eat from the food in front of them in a large wooden plate.” A person asked the Prophet “will that happen because of our small number on that day?” The Prophet said: Nay! Your number will be great: but you will be rubbish like the rubbish of flood-water.
Muslims need to go back and change themselves and then thier condition will chnage, it says so in the Quran, God never changes the state of a people until they chnage whats in themselves.
I think Muslims need to realise, is that it needs to sort its House out, introspective, self critiscism of the way Muslims are conducting themselves in their own Muslim countries and in general. Prophet Muhammad and his companions set a high standard, we Muslims I'm sorry to say are scum.. yes, I am a Muslim writing this and its the truth. Muslims need to get of their high horse and listen to our critics they are all can’t be all lying all the time, there is truth in what they say.
@MirajLuv Prophet Mohammed and his companions set a very high standard indeed. Intimidation, looting, torture, enslavement, rape of female slaves, beheadings...
@BoredToDistraction Salam - I see? If that was the case, I would be the first person to renounce Islam. What your stating is what the Christian Crusaders carried out, before Jerusalem was liberated by Salahuddin.
@MirajLuv Unlike islamists, christian crusaders are not a LIVE issue. Mohammed is, as Islam to this day cites him as the example to follow. Millions do just that, and will not cease until the whole world does too. Like most muslims in the west, you know next to nothing about who Mohammed was and what he did. Please educate yourself, as if you care about being a good person, and if those who truly adhere to islam take over as is their stated intention, you won't like what you see.
@MirajLuv To understand Islam, you must read the Quran, the Sira (biography of Mohammed), and the Hadith (collection of saying and actions by Mohammad). Most respected Sira (that is, respected by muslim clerics) are: Ishaq 'Life of the Prophet of Allah' and Al Tabari 'History of Prophets and Kings'. The most authoritative hadiths collections are 'Sahih of Al-Bukhari', and 'Sahih Muslim'.
@BoredToDistraction Well respected seerahs on the Prophet Muhammad by Martin Lings based on earliest sources.. Seerah of the Prophet by Ibn Kathir (Classical work), Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar)...A complete authoritative book on the life of Prophet Muhammad (S) by Sheikh Safi-ur-Rahman al-Mubarkpuri. It was honored by the World Muslim League as first prize winner book. Whoever wants to know the whole life style of the Prophet in detail must read this book.
@MirajLuv I did not know that the works of Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari & Muslim were no longer seen as authoritative classics, and had been replaced with the books you cited. Is it official? When did it happen? Why are they still recommended reading on islamic websites? Validate your assertions & I will update my sources.
@MirajLuv (Cont.) Oh, but wait! Now biographical facts about Mohammed evolve as time goes by! Based on... newly-discovered historical evidence? New witnesses? New understanding of words like torture, amputation, beheading, and killing? How about the Quran?
@BoredToDistraction Believe and think as you wish my friend, think and believe as you wish.. BoredToDistraction wants the mountain to come to him... but BoredToDistraction will have to go to the Mountain... to understand.
@MirajLuv To understand... that It is a Peg planted by Allah to stop the Earth from Shaking. Or perhaps, in the light of future, improved Textual Analysis, an Angel-driven Spaceship
it is a war against islam and we the muslims are gona winn the war.
TheEdica 2 months ago
"Muslims ..have no permanent share in the United Nations Security Council"
I am of the understanding that membership to the Security Council is accorded to countries and not to a religion. This guy is just too weird for me.
manictatter 8 months ago
hey Karl i dont belong in Australia mother fucker do something i live in Melbourne reservoir 3073 MC McMahon rd come dick head do something i am in ur country taking ur jobs eating ur food breathing in ur land wtf can u do coward i gave u my home addresses
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
@valven2891994alkm hey sorry about being angry become a Muslim please
valven2891994alkm 9 months ago
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@valven2891994alkm FUCK U AND YOUR BARBARIC PEDOPHILIC ISLAM , ALLAH CAN SUCK MY DICK
predonin 9 months ago
i wanna kill u Karl smith fukin tell me wer u wana met so i can kill u
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
Islam is terror.
seanmPWH 11 months ago
@seanmPWH stupid ur media fucked ur the terrorist fight the truth it hurt islam is the truth take it or leave it
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
Is there any of these debates that don't involve trashing Israel and America?
vikingaprinsessan 1 year ago
@vikingaprinsessan no. every muslim on the planet needs to do that since israel and america are scapegoats.
muslims believe themselves to be perfect. therefore, they can't be the cause of any of their problems or failures. the cause must be america and israel. even though the actual cause is backwards islamic teachings.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@karlsmith00
You haven't studied Islam then and you take your biased info from anti-Islamic media and sources
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 look at this dumb muslim bitch, doing exactly what i expected him to do.
yes, i have studied islam. i know what it says in the koran and hadith. there is "anti-islamic" media, which i'm sure you think the jews run.
islam is a backwards system started by a child raping whore named muhammad. wherever it takes hold, you see failure. since muslims believe they are perfect, they always blame others. end of story.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
Typical Islamophobic bird-brain that knows nothing and started taking info from dumb media and sources. You wanna know Islam and the Prophet? Go ask an Imam, other than that, you're NOTHING. You're a liar saying you read the Quran and hadith because your opinion wouldn't be like that. And no, I like the West, and I have Western friends. You could tell the white superpowers to get off of Iraq and Afghanistan
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 ISLAMOPHOBIA??? bahahahaaaaaaaaaa--nice try!
telling the truth isn't phobia. a phobia is an irrational anxiety not rooted in reality, like agoraphobia. stating facts about a backwards ideology started by a child rapist isn't that.
i see, anyone who read the koran MUST BELIEVE THAT ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL!! sorry, idiot! islam is shit. any religion that allows for child marriage and wife-beating is BULLSHIT.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
Truth? I;m a muslim for 21 years, Don't teach me about rubbish that you "studied" and taken out of context. If you studied Islam well, then you would know that mentioning "child marriage" and "wife beating" is STUPID cuz it makes you look like a typical Islam-hating scum who try to use the same criticism that have been countered for decades. You wont ask any imam? Then you admit ur defeat, WEAK. I have Western friends they like me ;), but ppl like you are discriminating scums
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 no, no, idiot. how many times do i have to tell you that telling the truth isn't hate?
your whore prophet married aisha when she was 6, and he was 51. when she was 9, and he was 54, he CONSUMMATED the marriage. this is why 9 is the legal age of consent, and little girls are married off to old pigs TODAY. this is why 65:4 in the koran tells men how to divorce their wives when they haven't started their period and they've already consummated.
got that, lying scum?
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 wife-beating is completely legal under sharia. go read 4:34 in your shit koran. this happens every day legally. but, of course, muslim males aren't allowed to hit in the face! you idiots have standards.
not to mention stoning adulterers, whipping fornicators, chopping off hands of thieves, women's testimony worth half in court, women inheriting half of what men do, etc. i could go on.
there is no context for this. this is 7th century backwards law. islam is backwards.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 i've asked imams, and they're all lying scumbags like you.
they cry about translation, context, culture, phobia, racism. BLAH BLAH BLAH. muslims are so stupid they think people actually believe them. talk about admitting defeat. all of islam has been defeated. that's why muslims live like animals.
of course you've been getting criticism for decades. BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. you're just too stupid to see it. stay in the UAE. DON'T EVER COME HERE.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
All I can say is that you're misinformed and just lost. If you really wanna study, ask Imams and research well, instead of reading junk and taking things out of context. You can't teach me Islam, because I KNOW IT, I sTUDIED it for 21 YEARS. You haven't, and you're just reading rubbish. I hope to God that helps lead you the away. I won't bother with a hating and discriminating individual like you who has no proper knowledge of the subject that I studied for 21 yrs.
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 misinformed? bitch, you are the misinformed one. everything i just said is straight from the koran. you don't even know anything about your own religion.
you haven't studied anything for 21 years. you're an ignorant muslim and a stupid bitch. you're nothing but a liar, like all muslims are. what a fucking joke.
and btw, there is no god. your allah is an imaginary friend in the sky and his prophet muhammad was a whore.
it's not my job to teach stupid muslims.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
Ya, A non-muslim teaching me about Islam LOL XD, Ya go read your rubbish stuff ;P
LastRambo341 10 months ago
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@LastRambo341 non-muslims like me can tell the truth. muslim men like you are all lying whores.
you want me to teach you? fine. you're too stupid and lazy to go read your own books. dumbass muslim bitch. this is what happens when you follow a child raping whore like muhammad.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 “That the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (till his death).” Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 64
your whore prophet was 54. aisha was 9. that means he looked a prepubescent child, got an erection, put it in her vagina, and ejaculated. that's called child rape. under sharia, it's legal and happens TODAY because he's a source of law for all time.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
No, he didn't do that to her. I'll show you two here that you CANNOT argue back it makes you look like a dumbass wanting to believe that slander ;) :
watch?v=Gt7vS7kxc50
watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s
/watch?v=8XO8_cEIxr0
Typical Islamophobic bitch that uses the same old countered argument LMAO. Its all taken out of context, bitch. Don't use your tiny uneducated brain
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 ahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
look what this stupid muslim whore is doing. I QUOTED YOUR OWN HADITH TO YOU, AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS CRY ABOUT ISLAMOPHOBIA, SLANDER, AND POST SOME BULLSHIT LINKS.
listen, bitch. slander is saying things that are FALSE. truth is an absolute defense. IT'S NOT PHOBIA TO TELL THE TRUTH. there is no proper context for child rape.
your 54 year old prophet looked at a small child AND THEN RAPED HER. he's a whore and now you follow him.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 i just love teaching dumb muslim whores. catching you in your lies so much fun for me.
then we wonder why the muslim world is so fucked up. look at libya. look at egypt. look at saudi arabia. look at yemen. look at somalia, algeria, pakistan.
all muslim men are stupid whore, and that's because you follow a child rapist. now get back to crying about slander and islamophobia. i want to laugh some more.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
LMAO, you just got defeated. YOU, a non-Muslim who "studied" (LOL) knows better than THREE leading Muslim scholars? YA ok, you just got yourself screwed. You don't know anything about the Prophet or Islam. Don't teach an A student (me) when you're an F student ;). I've got 21 years of knowledge you filth while you...ZERO.
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 look, a muslim whore with tourettes: i studied for 21 years, 21 years, 21 years, 21 years, blah blah blah.
three muslim "scholars" that are even bigger whores than you? YOU'RE A LYING WHORE JUST LIKE THEY ARE.
talk about defeat. i had to teach your dumb ass that your whore prophet WAS A CHILD FUCKER PEDOPHILE. and i loved doing it.
now i'm done. i can only waste so much time trying to teach dumb muslim whores. i can only quote from the hadith so much. dumb muslim
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 cry about slander and phobia some more. when your example in life was a child rapist, that's all you can do.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
Denial XD, ya ok, go to ISLAM WIKI, your RELIABLE source hahaha. I feel sorry for you
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 i quoted it from your own hadith and koran, you dumb whore.
you're the one following a pedophile child rapist. feel sorry for yourself. there is nothing sadder than a dumb lying muslim who thinks people might believe him. so sad.
but like i said, when a whore like muhammad is your example in life, what should we expect?
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
The 3 videos counter your whole "I quote from hadith and koran". You're a dumb idiot taking things out of context, and then you cry, "oh excuses!' LMAO. The videos prove:
1) Prophet was not a pedo
2) Wife shouldn't be beaten
You shouldn;t take the verses and the hadith too literally. You have to explore and take them out of context. but hey, you're not a muslim so you study in a dumbass way
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 1. a 54 year old man who rapes a 9 year old child is a pedo.
2. i quoted 4:34 straight from your shit koran. beat means beat, and it happens everday.
what the fuck are you talking about "literally"? HOW ELSE IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN? is the koran the perfect word of god OR NOT? is muhammad the last and greatest prophet, OR NOT?
there is no context that makes either of these okay. it's islam. you're just too stupid to understand. that's why you're a dumb muslim whore.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 the saddest thing in the world is a muslim in denial.
your "videos" prove nothing. you're just another lying muslim that nobody believes. go beat your 9 year old wife, you stupid pedo. islam is for stupid men, so you're in the right religion.
and there are plenty of videos on youtube talking about the right way for muslims to beat their wives. you have to avoid the face, just so you know. take it easy on the kid you married, okay?
I LOVE LYING, DELUDED MUSLIMS.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00
Watch the videos and don't take the verses literally, that is not how the Quran is. You're just being delusional. Don;t teach me Islam when I know it more than you
LastRambo341 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 ok u tese the prophet i will kill u i live in melbourne reservior 3073 please come because by the night and day i will fukin kill u u stupid i will kill u fast so god will put u in hell for etternity
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 4:34--Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them.
As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.
got that, dumb muslim bitch? MEN CAN BEAT THEIR WIVES.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 whenever you want to learn more about your child rapist religion, let me know.
muslims are so fucking stupid, everything has to be spelled out for them, especially the males. but when you follow a pedophile like muhammad, what should we expect?
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 and no, i won't ask any imam about this. muslims like you are all lying taqiyya bullshitters who expect people to believe your lies.
you like the west? well, the west doesn't like you. don't ever come here. we have too many muslims collecting welfare already.
iraq and afghanistan? tell osama to stop blowing shit up. i oppose those wars too. we should have invaded mecca instead, that would have solved way more problems.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00 why would u say child raping man if islam was in world power like they were before in time and will again u would be the most wanted man in law your head is halal ur going hell
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
@valven2891994alkm i said muhammad was a child rapist because he is.
islam will NEVER be in world power, beacuse muslims are too stupid to do anything. i won't be wanted anywhere, because i live in a free country.
halal is bullshit, and there is no hell. now get a life, you stupid ignoramus.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@valven2891994alkm and btw, you don't belong in australia. take your child rapist religion and go live in pakistan.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@karlsmith00 mother fucker wer do u live fight u coward americans come to contries and fight people with misiles fight on the floor u coward come any were in melbourne tell me and i will kill you
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
@valven2891994alkm YOU MUSLIM CUNT COME AND GET ME , CALGARY CANADA HERE
predonin 9 months ago
@karlsmith00 i am in australia and wtf r u gonna do about it wanna kick me out of ur contry do it mother fucker come lets fight
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
@valven2891994alkm LEAVE
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 at least you're in the UAE though. you don't belong in the west, so i'm glad you aren't here.
i wish more muslims stayed in their own countries. spread the word.
karlsmith00 10 months ago
@LastRambo341 hey wer do u live i need to kill u
valven2891994alkm 10 months ago
genocide in srebrenica..for fuck sake mufti you clown...if it was genocide, sure as hell you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.
Bhouncer 1 year ago
the mufti can fuck off with his izbetgovic propaganda..
Bhouncer 1 year ago
americans bombed the serbs 2 destroy yugoslvia not 2 help muslims.
muslims were massacared & america imposed sanctions on bosnian muslims on arms sales,millions lost their lives . muslims 4rm around the world got in the battle as volunteers 2 help the bosnian innocent ppl against the serb terrorist.
america was not caringworried about muslims,it wanted 2 destroy communist yugoslavia by breaking it into pieces.
satanischristian 1 year ago
@satanischristian aye right america didnt impose sanctions because weapons were found smuggled in with humanitarian aid....
plus, there were alot of muslims who fought on the serbian side aswell, who alija izbetgovic liquidated. it is not a war on islam, its the neo cons and the nwo who want resources and to colonise parts of the world, the arab world is full of natural resources
Bhouncer 1 year ago
9/11 was not done by muslims but it was faked 2 look like muslims did it.
the real perpetrators of 9/11 were the zionist jews with the help of american zionist terrorist govt.
satanischristian 1 year ago
all over the world countries have muslim problems, Australia.indonesia, russia china, all of europe most of africa, only mexico and other latin american countries, no to few mosques no muslims no problem.
Lightia 1 year ago
@Lightia
idiot,
it is a problem 2 extremist christians like u.
u ppl want 2 justify the terrorism that is happening against muslims all over the world 2 grab their lands,resources & genocide.
the problem is u should keep away 4rm muslim lands & stop ur terrorism against them & muslims will not fight u.
if u want 2 kill the innocent muslim men,women,children in their lands then u also should understand that u also will b hit.
dont cry when u get hit by the oppressed.
satanischristian 1 year ago
sigh.
the mufti is a serb or croat. His ancestors converted to islam under ottoman rule. there is no such thing as "muslim" as a race, it is an identity tag.
mufti should stop spinning out alija izbetgovic propoganda.
Bhouncer 1 year ago 2
@Bhouncer
muslim is a person who submits his will 2 the will of GOD.
likewise moses,jesus,abraham etc were muslims who submitted their will 2 the will of GOD.
islam is the religion 4rm GOD 2 humanity & all the prophets preached islam 2 their followers 4rm adam 2 nova,moses,jesus etc...
satanischristian 1 year ago
@satanischristian thats not the answer to the question.christianity and islam are abrahimic religions...
Bhouncer 1 year ago
west itself is responsible for the war crimes against muslims!
Temochen is needed to deal with this problem !
leotakesleo 1 year ago
BoredtoDistraction.. this is our validation/my validation of the Islamic world, Ibn Ishaq and or Al Tabari, seen as un-reliable. Their works have been dismissed by well known and well respected greatest Islamic Scholars the world has known. Now this has been quite long, my wife is waiting for me to make love to her.. so if you can excuse me for now, while a relax and freshen up.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
There are many problems with his stories (no chain of tramissions, no source for his material, etc). Therefore we can conclude that most of the chainless narrations/stories found in Ibn Ishaq's book 120 years after the Prophet's death are false. As Muslims we accept the Quran and Hadith only to be 100% true. We don't accept most of Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi or Al-Tabari.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Ishaq, Al-Tabari, Al-Waaqidi, Ibn S'ad and others simply related as much material as possible from ANY source whether Muslim, Jew, Christian, Pagan, etc. in order for the muhadditheen (scholars of hadith) to sift through and express opinions of reliability and authenticity based on their examinations of the chains of narration and contexts of the alleged sayings and doings of the Prophet Muhammad.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Even the famous Polemist and Hatemonger, Robert Spencer admits in his book: The Truth about Muhammad , that "However, Ibn Ishaq's life of Muhammad is so unashamedly hagiographical that its accuracy is questionable." [25] Yet in the 400 footnotes of Robert's book, 120 of them are referenced to Ibn Ishaq! This is one the reasons why I can't take Christian critics aganist Islam seriously--- they pick and choose what they want to believe from the sources for Islam.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
an if knowledable of the life of Muhammad was transmitted orally for a century before it was reduced to writing, then the chances are that the material will have undergone considerable alteration in the process" [24]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
as to whether it was permissiable to reduce oral traidtion to writing. The implications of this view for reliablity of our sources are clearly rather negative. If we cannot trust the chains of authorities we can no longer claim to know that we have before us the seperate transmitted accounts of independent witnesses;
MirajLuv 1 year ago
"False ascription was rife among the 8th century scholars and that in any case Ibn Ishaq and contemporaries were drawing on oral traditions. Neither of these propositions is as arbitory as it sounds. We have reason to believe that numerous traditions on questions of dogma and law were provided with spurious chains of authorities by those who put them into circulation and the same time we have much evidence of controversy in the eigth century
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Muslim Scholars (Both Classical and Present) aren't the only ones that attack early Souces of Islam such as Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi, Al-Tabari, etc. Even Non Muslim Scholars reject the Early Biography material of the Prophet. Here Micheal Cook gives us his reasons for rejecting the earlier material:
MirajLuv 1 year ago
[(*) Muhammad ibn `Umar al-Waqidi (d. 207), Ahmad ibn Hanbal said about Al-Waqidi is that "He is A LIAR." Al-Bukhari and Abu Hatim al-Razi said: "DISCARDED." Ibn `Adi said: "His narrations ARE NOT RETAINED, AND THEIR BANE COMES FROM HIM." Ibn al-Madini said: "HE FORGES HADITHS." Al-Dhahabi said: "CONSENSUS HAS SETTLED OVER HIS DEBILITY." [23]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Even the English translator of Ibn Sa'd's work had this to say about al-Waqidi:
The chain of the narrators is not reliable because the person who narrated to Ibn Sa'd was Waqidi WHO IS NOTORIOUS AS A NARRATOR OF FABRICATED hadithes. The next one Ya'qub is unknown and 'Abd Allah Ibn 'Abd al-Rahman is not a Companion. Consequently this narration is not trustworthy. " [22]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
personally. Ash-Shafi'ee has the following to say: ""In Madinah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration. One of them was al-Waqidi." [21]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The following Muslim author writes: "As a report of history, this narration suffers from two fatally serious defects. The first is the UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED UNTRUSTWORTHINESS OF AL-WAQIDI. Details of his unreliability as a narrator would probably fill several pages, but all of it may be suitably condensed into a statement by Imam ash-Shafi'ee, who was his contemporary, and who knew him
MirajLuv 1 year ago
A woman named Bunanah was beheaded because she had dropped a millstone on one of Muhammad’s men. This is found in Al-Tabari Volume 8 page 41. However again this story is false. Al-Tabrai admits there are several false stories in his collection and since this story isn't found in the hadith, but time and space won't allow me to document all of the false stories.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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A woman named Bunanah was beheaded because she had dropped a millstone on one of Muhammad’s men. This is found in Al-Tabari Volume 8 page 41. However again this story is false. Al-Tabrai admits there are several false stories in his collection and since this story isn't found in the hadith, but time and space won't allow to document all of the false stories.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
There are many false stories in Ibn Ishaq and Al-Tabari I.e the Satanic Verses which is found in Al-Tabari.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people; and such reports as al-Bakka'i told me he could not accept as trustworthy - all these things I have omitted. But God willing I shall give a full account of everything else so far as it is known and trustworthy tradition is available. [12]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
omitting some of the things which I.I. has recorded in this book in which there is no mention of the apostle and about which the Quran says nothing and which are not relevant to anything in this book or an explanation of it or evidence for it; poems which he quotes that no authority on poetry whom I have met knows of;
MirajLuv 1 year ago
"God willing I shall begin this book with Isma'il son of Ibrahim and mention those of his offspring who were the ancestors of God's apostle one by one with what is known about them, taking no account of Isma'il's other children,
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Hisham was not a scholar of hadith. He was only a biographer and did not use the proper method of collecting Hadith and the proper way of deterimining a valid isnad. Ibn Hisham explains that in his version he omits a lot of material from Ibn Ishaq's biography:
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Hisham, the editor of Ibn Ishaq's biography admitted to removing certain stories from Ibn Ishaq's work
MirajLuv 1 year ago
As I have already said, the Sirat written by Ibn Ishaq only exists in a later revised and shortened version by Ibn Hisham, who died in 834 C.E, 60 years after Ibn Ishaq-- and in fragments quoted by other Muslim writers including another historian, Muhammad Ibn Jarir Al-Tabari (839-923 C.E.).
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Though some thought his use of collective isnad (chains of tranmissions) problematized his Hadith, several people went so far as to call Ibn Ishaq a liar on matters of Hadith. Others claim Ibn Ishaq included verses in his Sira that he knew were not authentic.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Imam Malik was not the only contemporary of Ibn Ishaq's to have problems with him. Despite writing the earliest biography of Prophet Muhammad, Scholars such as al-Nisa'I and Yahya b. Kattan did not view Ibn Ishaq as a reliable or authoritative source of Hadith.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
This is because most of their narrations are of the Maraseel (plural for Mursal) type, such as narrations reported by Urwah Ibn az-Zubair, ash-Sha'bi, az-Zuhri, Musa Ibn Uqbah and Ibn Ishaq." [10]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
It is well known that most of what was reported in aspects of Tafsir (commentaries on the Qur'an) is similar to narrations reporting Maghazi (or Seerah) and battles, promoting Imam Ahmad to state that three matters do not have Isnad: Tafsir, Mala'him (i.e. great battles), and Maghazi.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
"Allah has provided evidence (i.e. Isnad) establishing the authenticity or lack thereof of the narrations that are necessary in matters of the religion.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Ishaq was intellectually disected also by some of our major Islamic scholars. Shaykh ibn Taymiyyah said:
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Imam Malik was a complier of a respected hadith collection, called Muwatta. Imam Malik was a hadith scholar. Imam Malik called Ibn Ishaq a liar and an imposter for writing false stories about Prophet Muhammad. Imam Malik has said that Ibn Ishaq "reports traditions on the authority of the Jews".
MirajLuv 1 year ago
One of the greatest and highly respected scholars in Islamic History – one of the four schools of thought.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
is known as "Imam Malik," the "Sheikh of Islam", the "Proof of the Community," and "Imam of the Abode of Emigration." [3] He was one of the most highly respected scholars of fiqh in Islam. Imam Shafi, who was one of Malik's students for nine years and a scholarly giant in his own right, stated, "when scholars are mentioned, Malik is like the star among them
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Who Was Imam Malik? What Did Imam Malik have to Say about Ibn Ishaq?
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Ishaq as an author was in fact subjected to devastating critique by well established and famous scholars of Hadith and theology, contemporary or later, on two particular accounts. One was his uncritical inclusion in his Sira of so much spurious or forged poetry [7] ;the other his unquestioning acceptance of just such a story as that of the slaughter of Banu Qurayza [8]. It gets worse for Ibn Ishaq though. First let's talk about what Imam Malk thought of Ibn Ishaq.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
There are several stories in Ibn Ishaq which are never found in the hadith. The reason why is because several hadith collectors such as Bukhari-- did not trust Ibn Ishaq.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Most important of all, his report about Laylat al Qadr (the first revelation), contradicts all the hadith versions. The hadith collectors Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, etc were more careful in collecting their hadith (their chains of transmission).
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Ishaq was writing about 150 years after the Prophet's death so this is very important. In Islamic sciences in order for a report of the Prophet (peace be on him) to be true is if the isnad is solid or not.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
That his Isnads (chains of transmissions) were defective, ie not 'iron' tight by naming all the reporters, which is important because this determines whether the transmitter of the story is trustworthy or not. Ibn Ishaq was not an eye witness to any of the events of Prophet Muhammad's life.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Several respected Muslim theologians rightly reject his (Ibn Ishaq's) authority for several reasons:
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Although Ibn Ishaq was the earliest of the traditionists to write a biography of the events that pertained to the time of Muhammad (p) there are several severe problems with his writings. As Bassam Zawadi says" just because something is early doesn't mean it is true". Ibn Ishaq was known to be careless in him collecting stories about the Prophet, etc.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
"The Life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaq has been quoted by many critics of Islam. They get excited when Ibn Ishaq paints a bad picture of Prophet Muhammad and use it in their writings to attack Islam.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Is’haaq’s focus was seeragh and not hadith, therefore he was abandoned by the scholars of hadeeth (such as Bukhari and Muslim) when it came to narrating hadeeth and a reason for this might be because he included those weaker narrations while he narrated the hadeeth.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Muslim scholars question the material found in the works of Al-Waqidi, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Ishaq, etc. These were more or less historians-- they were not hadith collectors. Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi, Ibn Sa'd and Al-Tabri all operated outside of all the sciences of Islam and isnaad (Arabic for chain of transmitters).
MirajLuv 1 year ago
What several critics of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fail to realize is that there is a huge difference between Sirah (Biography of the Prophet) and Hadith (the sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad). The Seerah is a collection of narrations about the people and events surrounding the Prophet (SAW) arranged in a chronological order.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
While it is true that Sirat Rasulallah is the oldest and earliest biography of the Prophet-- no Muslim accpets Ibn Ishaq to be 100% true, inspired, a sunnah book or reliable. Most of the material of the Sira as we'll see has been rejected by hadith collectors such as Bukhari, etc.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Several critics of Islam say that Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah" - "Life of the Prophet of Allah" is considered the most authentic biography of Prophet Muhammad. This is certainly false.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
There are almost as many poems as hadiths in Ibn Ishaq, but later commentaries tend to view them as worthless, viewed as forged. Alfred Guillaumme, translated it in English in his own monumental work "The Life of Muhammad".
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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There are about 600 Hadiths in Ibn Ishaq's book "Sirat Rasullah" and most of them have what appears to be questionable (at best) isnads (chains of transmissions) . But the later hadith collectors (Bukhari, Muslim, etc) rarely used any material from the Sira.
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
The Tafsir is among the earliest in Islam and the American Quran scholar John Wansbrough classifies it as Haggadic in his most primitive subset of the Tafsir. That is, it is primarily devoted to passing on a narrative.The campaign literature is followed by an appendix describing campaigns made by other Muslims under Muhammad's directions and a relatively brief account of his death and succession by Abu Bakr.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
But before this campaign literature there is a copy of the document called the Constitution of Madina and an extensive section of Tafsir and Hadiths. Tafsir also occurs several times embedded in the campaign literature. The campaign literature itself includes extensive poetry and lists of persons involved as well as description of battles or why no battle took place.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The third part consists of a careful month-based chronology (which falls apart at the end) and the campaigns Maghazi (Ibn Ishaq counts 27, but he stretches the meaning of campaign) made by Muhammad from his base of operations in Madina are carefully embedded in this chronology.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
especially about the events behind the revelation of one or another verse in the Quran (the division between Meccan and Madinan suras), lists of significant persons (for example, the earliest Muslims) and poetry. Ibn Ishaq does not attempt a chronology, but he does arrange his material in a logical sequence.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The second part, which is often called al-Mab'ath, begins with the birth of Muhammad and ends when the first fighting from his base in Madina takes place. It is a collection of prophetic hadiths,
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Hisham was not interested in these stories and jumped directly to the story of Abraham, who is the ancestor of Muhammad (p) and the Arab race. Much of this part it is lost. What remains is based on Arabic traditions and the Jewish scriptures. Al Azraqi for example, quotes some passages from the missing section in his Akhbar Mecca.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The first part, the Mubtada' (Mabda'), one has to go to the Tafsir and History, which is actually based upon the Hebrew Bible, from Genesis (In the Beginning/ Mubtada'), the beginning of Creation story. Unfortunately,
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The part of Ibn Hisham's work due to Ibn Ishaq is now usually called the"Sirat Rasul Allah" ("Life of Allah's Messenger"). Ibn Ishaq's work originally consisted of three almost equal parts. The first was a history of the world up until the beginning of Muhammad's ministry. The second was an account of Muhammad's work in Mecca and the third was an account of his work in Madina and his death.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
This should be supplemented by the extracts in al-Tabari and other authors. For example, the story about the allegic Verses was not reported by Ibn Hisham. But it was repeated by al-Tabari and others. Ibn Hisham makes no secret - in the Introduction to his book - of the fact that he omitted some of the material Ibn Ishaq included that reflected negatively upon Muhammad's character.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
We do not know if Ibn Ishaq ever wrote a "book" in the ordinary sense of books. What has come down to us seems to be from the notes taken by his pupils. The standard source is now the "Sirat al-Nabi" ("Life of the Prophet") of Abd al-Malik ibn Hisha (died 830, 835 or perhaps much later) which is a systematic presentation of Ibn Ishaq's material with a commentary by Ibn Hisham.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The page numbers suggest that Ibn Hisham's comments constitute about 15% of his recessions of Ibn Ishaq's work.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Alfred Guillaume's English translation is probably the best attempt at the reconstruction of Ibn Ishaq's work. This was produced largely by translating what Ibn Hisham reports from Ibn Ishaq, adding quotations from the latter that are included by al-Tabari (mainly the material that Ibn Hisham omitted) and placing Ibn Hisham's comments on Ibn Ishaq's work at the end of the translation in a section called "Ibn Hisham's Notes" [3]
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The Arabic text was published at Gottingen in three volumes by F. Wustenfeld, 1858-60, and a German translation by G. Weil, The Historian of the Caliphate, appeared at Stuttgart in 1864. It is this latter work which is perhaps better known in the West, and is now more conveniently read in the English translation of the late Alfred Guilaume.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
This work no longer exists in its original form, but has been preserved in at least two recensions, one of these recensions being authored by Ibn Hisham (with many revisions), as well as by Al Bakka'i, al Tabari, Yunus b. Bukayr, al Athir, Al Qarawayoun (in Fez, Morocco) manuscript, etc.; thus Ibn Hisham's work represents one of the earliest (but not entirely reliable) authorities on the life of Muhammad.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The original book has not been found but its contents were traced through other contemporaneous authors who copied his book such as Ibn Hisham.Early Muslim historical writing was primarily concerned with the biography of Muhammad (Sirat Rasul Allah) and the first wars of Islam (Al-Maghazi). Muhammad Ibn Ishaq related the first known biography (Sira).
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Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad the Sira was based - besides others - on many of the reports about Prophet Muhammad from books written by several different authors called al Maghazi which described the stories of the wars that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad the Sira was based - besides others - on many of the reports about Prophet Muhammad from books written by several different authors called al Maghazi which described the stories of the wars that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
It is unclear that Ibn Ishaq must have devoted himself to study and research the apostolic tradition by attending lectures in Egypt and then returning to Madina to collate and arrange all the materials that he had accumulated.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Just Because Something is ealry, doesn't mean it's true. If something is early, it just means its early. It has to be Early AND Reliable. It's possible that something is early and false."
MirajLuv 1 year ago
The Problems with Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasoul Allah (Arabic for The Life of Messenger of Allah) and other Early sources of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (2009)
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@Boredtodistraction To understand Islam, you must read the Quran, the Sira (biography of Mohammed), and the Hadith (collection of saying and actions by Mohammad). Most respected Sira (that is, respected by muslim clerics) are: Ishaq 'Life of the Prophet of Allah' and Al Tabari 'History of Prophets and Kings'.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@Boredtodistraction I apologise for any words used in any derogatory manner towards you, thus I have removed such comments made by me.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@boredtodistraction The fact that even his deadliest enemies could recognise his high virtues, is itself example and evidence of his being a prophet of God. In the words of Bosworth Smith: "What more crowning proof of his sincerity is needed? Muhammad to the end of his life claimed for himself the title only with which he had begun. I venture to believe everyone will agree in yielding to the claim that he (Muhammad) was a prophet and a true prophet of God."
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@BoredtoDistraction From 1974-6 he acted as consultant to the World of Islam Festival Trust and was also a member of the Arts Council Committee for thier exhibition "The arts of Islam". In 1977 he went Mecca at the invitation of King Abdul al-Aziz University to participate in the conference on Islmaic education. BoredtoDistraction.. educate yourself! Your simpy a lamen who knows nothing
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@BoredtoDistraction Martin Lings took an English degree at Oxford and later at Cairo University, mainly on Shake-speare, for twelve years. in 1952 he returned to England and took a degree in Arabic at London University. From1955 he was in charge of the Arabic library at the British Museum where, in 1970, he was appointed Keeper of oriental Manuscripts and Printed Books. In 1973, when the British Library was formed, he was transferred there in the same capacity together with his whole department
MirajLuv 1 year ago
I read it straight through, then re-read it, almost in its entirety, fascinated, by Titus Burckhardt
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Muhammad by Martin Lings by Frithjof Schuon "This great book is a classic"
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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No doubt The Sealed Nectar (Ar-Raheeq AI-Makhturn) is a book of great value and praiseworthy work on the life of Muhammad. This book has been written by the Eminent Shaikh Safiur-Rahman Mubarakpuri. The first Islamic Conference on Seerah (biography of the Prophet) was held in 1976 in Pakistan sponsored by the Muslim World League. The League announced a world contest for writing a book on the life of the Prophet.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
A board of highly qualified scholars judged the manuscripts and announced the results. The manuscript of Shaikh Safiur-Rahman Mubarakpuri, Jamiah Salafiyah Banaras (India), author of the book in hand (The Sealed Nectar) received first the grand prize of SR 50,000 (fifty thousand Saudi Riyals) for its authentic and sound collections of the narrations.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
One hundred and seventy-one manuscripts were received from all over the world. Out of these, eighty-five were in the Arabic Language, sixty-four in Urdu, twenty-one were in English and one in French and Hausa.
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
Scholars of Ahadith (traditions) and writers of the biography of Muhammad , the Messenger of Allah, have explored his life from every angle and aspect from birth to death. Every event, every incident of his life has been described and narrated, but none had claimed that he has given his life's recording its full rights. Hundreds of books have been written on the life of Muhammad and this endeavor will continue till the Day of Resurrection.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
What a stupid debate, they don't even get intelligent people to argue against the motion. One guy'w talking about a war with a mythical group of Muslims prophesied in Islam, and the other repeating the debunked left-wing anti-war mantra about the war being for oil.
Re5Publica 1 year ago
Doha debates are funded and started by jewish arabs&non muslim arabs , the planns of the doha debates are to fullfill the american&israeli agenda..they portray Doha debates as if it is a muslim debate but it is a zionist agency...they try to brainwash muslims against the mujahideen and path of islam..they use filty tricks like for example they invite 2/3 christians&atheist arabs in the audience and 1/3 muslim and then at the end of the debate they let the audience decide who has won
TurkishMujahid 1 year ago
@TurkishMujahid and then ofcourse the atheist&christians are going to win everytime for example , there is a doha debate about " womens rights in islam " and it is about the topic , " should a muslim women be able to marry a non-muslim man " and ofcourse all of the muslim debaters + the muslim women&men in the audience(1/3 of the audience) say NO but then they have also invited 2 fake muslim debaters and 2/3 atheist arabs&christians in the debate and they say YES and ofcourse the YES party "won"
TurkishMujahid 1 year ago
@TurkishMujahid the same they do with the debate on " islamic extremism " they did the same tricks there with inviting a majority of NON MUSLIMS to a so called MUSLIM debate...so anyway muslims watching these debates both on tv and internet should be aware that the doha administration are just following american propaganda agenda...
TurkishMujahid 1 year ago
This isn't a war on ISLAM, This is a War from God on us Muslims, because we have forgotton and are not acting like Muslims. Now its our Muslims turn to face God's wrath. Everybody hates and despise us Muslims. There must something were doing wrong. God has given Muslims the criterion to show whats right and wrong, but we Muslims just read the Quran and their is nothing practical about us Muslims anymore. I have more rights living in a western country than a Muslim country.. how sad is that!
MirajLuv 1 year ago
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
He God put them (Muslims) into trials and tribulations. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: It is expected that the nations will call other nations to share them against you (Muslims) as the eaters call each other to eat from the food in front of them in a large wooden plate.” A person asked the Prophet “will that happen because of our small number on that day?” The Prophet said: Nay! Your number will be great: but you will be rubbish like the rubbish of flood-water.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
Muslims need to go back and change themselves and then thier condition will chnage, it says so in the Quran, God never changes the state of a people until they chnage whats in themselves.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
I think Muslims need to realise, is that it needs to sort its House out, introspective, self critiscism of the way Muslims are conducting themselves in their own Muslim countries and in general. Prophet Muhammad and his companions set a high standard, we Muslims I'm sorry to say are scum.. yes, I am a Muslim writing this and its the truth. Muslims need to get of their high horse and listen to our critics they are all can’t be all lying all the time, there is truth in what they say.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv Prophet Mohammed and his companions set a very high standard indeed. Intimidation, looting, torture, enslavement, rape of female slaves, beheadings...
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction Salam - I see? If that was the case, I would be the first person to renounce Islam. What your stating is what the Christian Crusaders carried out, before Jerusalem was liberated by Salahuddin.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv Unlike islamists, christian crusaders are not a LIVE issue. Mohammed is, as Islam to this day cites him as the example to follow. Millions do just that, and will not cease until the whole world does too. Like most muslims in the west, you know next to nothing about who Mohammed was and what he did. Please educate yourself, as if you care about being a good person, and if those who truly adhere to islam take over as is their stated intention, you won't like what you see.
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
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MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv To understand Islam, you must read the Quran, the Sira (biography of Mohammed), and the Hadith (collection of saying and actions by Mohammad). Most respected Sira (that is, respected by muslim clerics) are: Ishaq 'Life of the Prophet of Allah' and Al Tabari 'History of Prophets and Kings'. The most authoritative hadiths collections are 'Sahih of Al-Bukhari', and 'Sahih Muslim'.
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction Well respected seerahs on the Prophet Muhammad by Martin Lings based on earliest sources.. Seerah of the Prophet by Ibn Kathir (Classical work), Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar)...A complete authoritative book on the life of Prophet Muhammad (S) by Sheikh Safi-ur-Rahman al-Mubarkpuri. It was honored by the World Muslim League as first prize winner book. Whoever wants to know the whole life style of the Prophet in detail must read this book.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv I did not know that the works of Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari & Muslim were no longer seen as authoritative classics, and had been replaced with the books you cited. Is it official? When did it happen? Why are they still recommended reading on islamic websites? Validate your assertions & I will update my sources.
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction Thats not my assertions that is what your saying.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv (Cont.) Oh, but wait! Now biographical facts about Mohammed evolve as time goes by! Based on... newly-discovered historical evidence? New witnesses? New understanding of words like torture, amputation, beheading, and killing? How about the Quran?
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction Believe and think as you wish my friend, think and believe as you wish.. BoredToDistraction wants the mountain to come to him... but BoredToDistraction will have to go to the Mountain... to understand.
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@MirajLuv To understand... that It is a Peg planted by Allah to stop the Earth from Shaking. Or perhaps, in the light of future, improved Textual Analysis, an Angel-driven Spaceship
BoredToDistraction 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction :)
MirajLuv 1 year ago
@BoredToDistraction
You statednames like Ibn Ishaq and or Al Tabari etc .
Ironically the existence of these individuals needed first to be justified where their “authority come from”.
It was certainly Not From Allah and his Messenger.
Therefore their Opinions and Rulings are simply a matter of Invention until they "first proof" the justification for their own existence.
Jesusthepalestinian 1 year ago