"A plane cannot take out another plane by being more manuverable."
Your point about the radar and missile range is true, but that applies more for when they are high up in an open airspace. If they are down in a mountain range or close to the floor, they can obstruct the path of the missile with terrain or make it difficult for the radar by blending in with the floor. Being more maneuverable in those conditions also makes it easier for them to get behind the other plane.
A plane cannot take out another plane by being more manuverable. Radar guided missiles have 30 miles range and the new ones they are working on for the Eurofighter have 60 miles range. Now how can you get behind another aircraft with fancy flying when 30 miles away it has already fired on you with missiles you cannot stop.
Swept wings stop the aircraft falling apart at super sonic speeds and forward it allows the aircaraft to get lift and better manuvering performace at lower altitude and speeds. The wings fully forward allow the aircraft to land and take off from shorter runways than other fighter planes allowing it to operate after its airport has been bombed.
@SPIKEZshuffle wings swept back make the plane more aerodynamic for high speed and wings swept forward make it more stable and slower for ground attack
The Tornado is the loudest plane i know. But it could fly so low that radars couldn't detect it. Thats what this plane was build for, and it is great. Also it often get used for recon missions.
@Pringles352 Actually, the relatively new su plane(I forget which one, prolly 39) can take out like 4 f-22's in training excercizes, because it outmanouvres them by far.. The f-22 is just hype
the tornado aint goin anywhere 4 sometime i live near marham and i no its a fantastic jet and i feel deeply annoyed that our idiotic prime minister doesnt no the difference between good and stupid decisions. this jet should be 1 for people 2 enjoy not 1 that symbolises death and destruction in the way it has
@tornadof3raf what the fuck are you talking about? the tornados are being replaced by the F35C... cameron isnt just getting rid of them and leaving it at that.. although i would rather the tornados stay aswell, they are only 1.3 mach, and in 9years time will be showing their age, however would still be more than capable to do their job. it will be too much of a strain to keep the tornados aswell. and i dont know how he is an idiot..he is PM. if thats not enough, he graduated from oxford.......
@Helge129 Are you stupid? the F-22 is a Stealth air superiority fighter, and the Tornado GR4 is a fighter/bomber, obviously it stands not a lot of a chance against a F-22, anyone knows that, but the RAF Typhoon FGR4, or the Euro fighter would be able to fight against the F-22 and have a chance of winning.
"you my friend are stupid u cant say it copied the f-111a raven cuz it looks like it . i could say the raven copied the mig-23"
They both were produced from 67. F-111 & F-4 Phantom II were the NATO influences on MiG-23. The USSR, wanted a lighter, single-engined fighter. The F-111 & MiG-23 were designed as fighters, but the heavy weight & stability suited it to be a long-range interdictor & not a fighter. MiG-23's designers kept the MiG-23 light & agile to dogfight.
Agreed, as the BAC TSR-2 (the Canberra & Vulcan B-2's planned Successor, & also using later versions of the Vulcans' Olympus Turbojets) never got to fly in RAF Service (although the RAF did everything they could to safeguard her Development Project, even to the extent of slamming the RN's) the Vulcan certainly was / is that, & will most likely remain so
(although Planes like BAE Replica do show we can still produce Great Planes when the MP's actually let us do so).
@topwing93 Still, at least Hawker Siddeley's swansong Creation has had a good long service life with the RAF & the Royal Navy (plus in the USN & other Foreign Navies), which she certainly deserved every minute of as she was/is a Fantastic Aircraft
Although i still wonder what might have been if her Supersonic Sister Plane (the "Hawker-Siddeley P-1154") had not been denied (by the 1965- Defence Cuts) her own chance to shine (i suspect the Argies would have lost their entire Airforce! ; )
@topwing93 Well yes that's a given, that said the "Victor K2" certainly is a rather special exeption
( still stunning even when not in her original "Anti-Flash White", so much so one US Air Marshall in the 1980's apparently thought she was a brand new Secret British Aircraft ; )
I know, although i've seen (mainly US & French) Users claiming the Harriers have been Scrapped (& some Brit's under the impression haey were) i saw a News Article a month ago which proves that they haven't (thank god).
@topwing93 Not Exactly, the F-35B & F-35C are the Successors to the Harrier & the Tornado respectively, not the Eurofighter Typhoon herself (she'll be in service for many years to come, after all she was only introduced in the late 1990's, & is still in the process of replacing the Tornado in the Fighter Role).
Indeed the Airbus A330 MRTT is a impressive Aircraft, but i will also miss the Vickers VC10's (just like with the Fantastic "Victor K-2's" that were retired in the early 1990's).
@topwing93 As for all this talk about JSF costing too much... it's all hogwash.
After all the Eurofighter had such Media slurs against it during her Development (especially from "Nick Clegg"), but she privailed & became our / Germany's / Italy etc's latest multi-role Aircraft.
The BAC TSR-2 was axed in 1965 under a political belief that the "F-111K" would be cheaper, which turned out (too late) was less capable yet cost more, so we got neither in the end & were left with just the Buccaneer.
@topwing93 I've heard those rumors myself (many times) & from what i know of the matter i can say this...
The F-35B (the VTOL version) is most likely not going to see use with the RN even if the yank's get the Fuselage problems ammended(as the Carriers were finally changed back to CTOL Layout in 2009).
As such we'll be getting the F-35C, we won't be getting the Rafale as we wouldn't have long term Spares availability, & the FA/18F Super hornet would be a bad move as it's inferior to the F-35C.
@topwing93 I see, i admit i haven't been to a Airshow in a while (although i will be when the chance arises) but i have had the pleasure of seeing Harriers on Training Manuvers in wales, at low level they are quite incredible, as is the Memorial Flight (which overflew my house once, nothing quite like those four Merlins, although including the spit's that made five ; )
Hmmm yes the I-Pad: Once dubbed as... "The most expensive Rectangle in History".
@topwing93 Indeed, although the Tornado has always been more of a Bomber than a Fighter she has performed that role rather well over the years it has to be said.
I recall hearing that when her predecessor (in the Ground attack role) the "Blackburn Buccaneer" was being retired the pilots that flew her famously said... "the only worthy replacement for the Buccaneer would be another Buccaneer".
I'm also for the F-35B & F-35C, although i'd have liked to see the "BAE Replica" in service even more.
@trevinboy So to conclude the Panavia Tornado has Nothing in common with the "General Dynamics' F-111 Raven/Ardvark", as the Tornado is in fact a (abet watered down) child of the BAC TSR-2*
(the 111's mortal rival for UK / AUS sales in the 1960''s).
Besides under your kind of argument i could say the F-111 was based on the "Vickers-581" Variable Geometry Interdictor design of the 1950's, which was one of the two designs (the other being the "English Electric P-17A") that preceded the TSR-2.
@trevinboy Shows how little you know about Aerospace (or anything) then.
The Panavia Tornado was developed from the
BAC/Dassault "AFVG" (Anglo-French Variable Geometry) Aircraft, which herself was direct decendant of the "BAC TSR-2" Supersonic Interdictor
(which was both designed & first flown BEFORE the F-111, and outclassed the 111 in both Performance & Avionics, not to mention would have been [ironically] cheaper for both the RAF [which almost bought the ""F-111K"" in 1965-67] & the RAAF).
megbulb. Is that English? If you read the posting properly, It is a response to a previous posting. Someone saying the Tornado was a copy of the F111. Which of course it is not.
No, the F-22 Raptor is the one invanted towards Air to Air Warfare more than any other role, this plus the F-22's high unit cost is why it's being complimented by the "F-35-C"
(rather like the previous ratio of F-15's to F-16's before the latter).
The Eurofighter Typhoon was designed from the start to be a capable of Interception & Ground Attack Roles.
We in GB did have a F-22 Rival in development during the 1990's ("BAE-Replica"), but "Bliar" axed her & went for F-35 instead.
@TheARMAProductions dude, really? ur talking to the f-22 about ground attack weapons? we are replacing our f-16s with the f-35s because f-35s are better. f-22s are even better. cant compare f-22 to the EF
@TheARMAProductions well no, i mean i know the EF ability. but the f-15s, f-16s, and f-18s were designed like 30 years ago. you cant compare them. i dont know about the Rafale and the Grippen. but now, the f-22s are the best.
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Some observers have claimed that many criticisms of the fighter plane have come from US aerospace companies alarmed at the prospect of losing customers to the Eurofighter. Also, designing a fighter to be stealthy can sometimes mean tradeoffs when it comes to manoeuvring performance.
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The 'clash' took place last year over Windermere when the two-seater RAF Eurofighter was 'bounced' from behind by the two F-15E fighters. The US pilots intended to pursue the supposedly hapless 'Limey' for several miles and lock their radars on to it for long enough so that if it had been a real dogfight the British jet would have been shot down. But much to the Americans' surprise, the Eurofighter shook them off, outmanoeuvred them and moved into shooting positions on their tails.
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A chance encounter over the Lake District between a Eurofighter trainer and two F-15 aircraft turned into a mock dogfight, with the British plane coming off best - much to the surprise of some in the RAF. The episode was hushed up for fear of causing US blushes. For a project 10 years late and $8bn over budget, it is a welcome piece of good news.
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When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the converstaion on security grounds"
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There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more .
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more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected.
@TheARMAProductions The eurofighters came out on top in a training excerise against the f15 and more recently f22 raptors and in america a couple of years ago, that was all kept quiet though but there are some reports on the internet if you look..
@TheARMAProductions Hm, yeah I think EF is superior in most ways to the teen series, but not nearly as exaggerated as some make it out to be. F-15 has higher top speed, more range, but BVR it's about equal with EF and WVR certainly the EF has the edge in agility, but like you said ASRAAM can change the game.
Good article I'm reading assessing the EF and comparing to others, I'll just send it to you I hate posting links here.
@TheARMAProductions As in A-4 Skyhawk? Which is 1950's too lol, as well as ground attack aircraft but it does have some AIM-9's for self protection. Though they didn't have them during Falklands war I don't think we would sell them any.
Might give the harrier a run for the money, they're pretty similar. But not a tornado certainly not a typhoon lol.
Call me an 'Old fart' but... why do the RAF, wish too remove this fine machine from service ?!!! Yes... it's big and ugly, but... so was the F4 !!! I'm sure someone with the 'Spot-on' smarts, will be able to answer this question, for an unaware yank.
@tigerfedor1 So.... how long shall the Tornado flt, remain in the falklands (Mt. Pleasant ?) to counter the Areggie's air assaults ? thanks for the info. !!!
not to put aspersions on your theory but the A4 was underpowered when they entered service with the Argentinians and they have not bothered to update them since, and were put to shame by a handful of sub sonic harriers last time
Superb camera work. I was on Tornado from 1978 as a boy on prototypes at Warton lancashire. Pity its getting phased out long before its sell by date. The Italians and Germans aren't grounding thiers. Such a sad government.
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As an Irishman I think the RAF are way better then the USAF and if they were so inclined the RAF could easily take out the whole might of the USAF despite being outnumbered...the RAF ave been around for far longer than the USAF...the Best of British xxx
i've just finished my airfix tornado and i'm looking for some examples to paint it. some nice stills at the end there.
baileys60 3 weeks ago
Beautiful aircraft, always wanted to be a tornado pilot....should have tried harder in school :(
richski662 1 month ago
@richski662 fcking same
Crossover3king 3 weeks ago
@richski662 80's child to huh?
baileys60 3 weeks ago
birdistheWord
DICKIEMONSTER 1 month ago
Change geometry wing is cool
fuckyorutube 1 month ago
My favorite plane growing up as a boy in the late 70's early 80's. Love the swing wing.
MegaLancashire 1 month ago 2
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"A plane cannot take out another plane by being more manuverable."
Your point about the radar and missile range is true, but that applies more for when they are high up in an open airspace. If they are down in a mountain range or close to the floor, they can obstruct the path of the missile with terrain or make it difficult for the radar by blending in with the floor. Being more maneuverable in those conditions also makes it easier for them to get behind the other plane.
lexichronicle2 1 month ago
PODEROOOSO!!!!
bcontadorspirit 2 months ago
A plane cannot take out another plane by being more manuverable. Radar guided missiles have 30 miles range and the new ones they are working on for the Eurofighter have 60 miles range. Now how can you get behind another aircraft with fancy flying when 30 miles away it has already fired on you with missiles you cannot stop.
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Swept wings stop the aircraft falling apart at super sonic speeds and forward it allows the aircaraft to get lift and better manuvering performace at lower altitude and speeds. The wings fully forward allow the aircraft to land and take off from shorter runways than other fighter planes allowing it to operate after its airport has been bombed.
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FunnyVideoCollector 2 months ago
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Top Gun music
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ZeroController 2 months ago
stupid question- why does the wings go back? is there some sort of aerodynamic advantage with swept back wings?
SPIKEZshuffle 3 months ago
@SPIKEZshuffle , wings are forward for lower speed, but swept back for higher speeds, its all about lift and drag
bigchiefmingingbolok 2 months ago
@SPIKEZshuffle wings swept back make the plane more aerodynamic for high speed and wings swept forward make it more stable and slower for ground attack
mrbyron969 1 month ago
@TheARMAProductions ok haha. its one of them russian ones... lol. they have such similar names i cant keep track of them
Pringles352 4 months ago
I saw em at airshow. So Fucking Loud!
FISRTGOAT 4 months ago
The Tornado is the loudest plane i know. But it could fly so low that radars couldn't detect it. Thats what this plane was build for, and it is great. Also it often get used for recon missions.
JazzJaRa 5 months ago
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the only planes that could match an f-22 are the eurofighter typhoon and perhaps the russian su-39 ( i think thats the right one)......
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Pringles352 5 months ago
the only planes that could match an f-22 are the eurofighter typhoon and perhaps the russian su-39 ( i think thats the right one)......
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Pringles352 5 months ago
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desinate 4 months ago
@Pringles352 Actually, the relatively new su plane(I forget which one, prolly 39) can take out like 4 f-22's in training excercizes, because it outmanouvres them by far.. The f-22 is just hype
desinate 4 months ago
@desinate The F-22 is still to be proven yet. Manouverability certainly isn't everything these days
aspiringdrummer17 4 months ago
@desinate Agreed, It's such a shame they went for the F 22 over the YF 23 even though the 23 out classed it in practically every way.
More corporate bullshit :(
noobrider100 3 months ago
the tornado aint goin anywhere 4 sometime i live near marham and i no its a fantastic jet and i feel deeply annoyed that our idiotic prime minister doesnt no the difference between good and stupid decisions. this jet should be 1 for people 2 enjoy not 1 that symbolises death and destruction in the way it has
tornadof3raf 5 months ago
@tornadof3raf what the fuck are you talking about? the tornados are being replaced by the F35C... cameron isnt just getting rid of them and leaving it at that.. although i would rather the tornados stay aswell, they are only 1.3 mach, and in 9years time will be showing their age, however would still be more than capable to do their job. it will be too much of a strain to keep the tornados aswell. and i dont know how he is an idiot..he is PM. if thats not enough, he graduated from oxford.......
Pringles352 5 months ago
Wings expands and retracts... advantageous on air combat and speed. Let's see how F-22 reacts.
pogpog28 6 months ago
@pogpog28 A Tornado doesn't stand a chance against a F-22 in a dogfight, but maybe in a BVR engagement.
Note that the EF2k kicks the F22 in the teeth :P
Helge129 6 months ago
@Helge129 Are you stupid? the F-22 is a Stealth air superiority fighter, and the Tornado GR4 is a fighter/bomber, obviously it stands not a lot of a chance against a F-22, anyone knows that, but the RAF Typhoon FGR4, or the Euro fighter would be able to fight against the F-22 and have a chance of winning.
Elitepoosniff 5 months ago
@Elitepoosniff Are You stupid? Did did you read the comment I replied to?
Helge129 5 months ago
@Helge129 Dont care.
Elitepoosniff 5 months ago
@Elitepoosniff So you are stupid. The comment I responded was one below mine.
Helge129 5 months ago
@Elitepoosniff ... considering the Tornado is a 1970s design and is now being phased out of service.
dcanmore 5 months ago
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"you my friend are stupid u cant say it copied the f-111a raven cuz it looks like it . i could say the raven copied the mig-23"
They both were produced from 67. F-111 & F-4 Phantom II were the NATO influences on MiG-23. The USSR, wanted a lighter, single-engined fighter. The F-111 & MiG-23 were designed as fighters, but the heavy weight & stability suited it to be a long-range interdictor & not a fighter. MiG-23's designers kept the MiG-23 light & agile to dogfight.
smilo996 6 months ago
This made me wanna watch iron man...
ItzMillerX 7 months ago
They where a good jet to work on.
dazza401970 8 months ago
@topwing93 The Harrier's also the only Aircraft i've seen (1st hand) conducting actual Combat Exesizes
(by chance while off in Wales).
Certainly wouldn't want to be on the sharp end of them ; )
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Ah i see ; )
Agreed, as the BAC TSR-2 (the Canberra & Vulcan B-2's planned Successor, & also using later versions of the Vulcans' Olympus Turbojets) never got to fly in RAF Service (although the RAF did everything they could to safeguard her Development Project, even to the extent of slamming the RN's) the Vulcan certainly was / is that, & will most likely remain so
(although Planes like BAE Replica do show we can still produce Great Planes when the MP's actually let us do so).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Still, at least Hawker Siddeley's swansong Creation has had a good long service life with the RAF & the Royal Navy (plus in the USN & other Foreign Navies), which she certainly deserved every minute of as she was/is a Fantastic Aircraft
Although i still wonder what might have been if her Supersonic Sister Plane (the "Hawker-Siddeley P-1154") had not been denied (by the 1965- Defence Cuts) her own chance to shine (i suspect the Argies would have lost their entire Airforce! ; )
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Well yes that's a given, that said the "Victor K2" certainly is a rather special exeption
( still stunning even when not in her original "Anti-Flash White", so much so one US Air Marshall in the 1980's apparently thought she was a brand new Secret British Aircraft ; )
I know, although i've seen (mainly US & French) Users claiming the Harriers have been Scrapped (& some Brit's under the impression haey were) i saw a News Article a month ago which proves that they haven't (thank god).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Not Exactly, the F-35B & F-35C are the Successors to the Harrier & the Tornado respectively, not the Eurofighter Typhoon herself (she'll be in service for many years to come, after all she was only introduced in the late 1990's, & is still in the process of replacing the Tornado in the Fighter Role).
Indeed the Airbus A330 MRTT is a impressive Aircraft, but i will also miss the Vickers VC10's (just like with the Fantastic "Victor K-2's" that were retired in the early 1990's).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
Firebirds forever!
Mojocvh 8 months ago
@topwing93 As for all this talk about JSF costing too much... it's all hogwash.
After all the Eurofighter had such Media slurs against it during her Development (especially from "Nick Clegg"), but she privailed & became our / Germany's / Italy etc's latest multi-role Aircraft.
The BAC TSR-2 was axed in 1965 under a political belief that the "F-111K" would be cheaper, which turned out (too late) was less capable yet cost more, so we got neither in the end & were left with just the Buccaneer.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 I've heard those rumors myself (many times) & from what i know of the matter i can say this...
The F-35B (the VTOL version) is most likely not going to see use with the RN even if the yank's get the Fuselage problems ammended(as the Carriers were finally changed back to CTOL Layout in 2009).
As such we'll be getting the F-35C, we won't be getting the Rafale as we wouldn't have long term Spares availability, & the FA/18F Super hornet would be a bad move as it's inferior to the F-35C.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 I see, i admit i haven't been to a Airshow in a while (although i will be when the chance arises) but i have had the pleasure of seeing Harriers on Training Manuvers in wales, at low level they are quite incredible, as is the Memorial Flight (which overflew my house once, nothing quite like those four Merlins, although including the spit's that made five ; )
Hmmm yes the I-Pad: Once dubbed as... "The most expensive Rectangle in History".
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Indeed, although the Tornado has always been more of a Bomber than a Fighter she has performed that role rather well over the years it has to be said.
I recall hearing that when her predecessor (in the Ground attack role) the "Blackburn Buccaneer" was being retired the pilots that flew her famously said... "the only worthy replacement for the Buccaneer would be another Buccaneer".
I'm also for the F-35B & F-35C, although i'd have liked to see the "BAE Replica" in service even more.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
I've sat in the cockpit of a Tornado at RAF Finningley airshow about 20 years ago
ToonandBBfan 8 months ago
@trevinboy So to conclude the Panavia Tornado has Nothing in common with the "General Dynamics' F-111 Raven/Ardvark", as the Tornado is in fact a (abet watered down) child of the BAC TSR-2*
(the 111's mortal rival for UK / AUS sales in the 1960''s).
Besides under your kind of argument i could say the F-111 was based on the "Vickers-581" Variable Geometry Interdictor design of the 1950's, which was one of the two designs (the other being the "English Electric P-17A") that preceded the TSR-2.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@trevinboy Shows how little you know about Aerospace (or anything) then.
The Panavia Tornado was developed from the
BAC/Dassault "AFVG" (Anglo-French Variable Geometry) Aircraft, which herself was direct decendant of the "BAC TSR-2" Supersonic Interdictor
(which was both designed & first flown BEFORE the F-111, and outclassed the 111 in both Performance & Avionics, not to mention would have been [ironically] cheaper for both the RAF [which almost bought the ""F-111K"" in 1965-67] & the RAAF).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@topwing93 Oh definitely (by miles).
Plus unlike the F-111 (which was outmoded by the B1 Lancer only 10 years after it's first flight)
she's still flying ; )
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
the tornado is great, the F-14 Tomcat is wonderful and much better
swolfpl640 9 months ago
@swolfpl640 due to different roles those planes were created for you really cannot compare these two
Henninway 8 months ago
I tough it was a tomcat
dex123james 9 months ago
great vid of a great plane..possibly the best?
kennetharthur1953 9 months ago
megbulb. Is that English? If you read the posting properly, It is a response to a previous posting. Someone saying the Tornado was a copy of the F111. Which of course it is not.
smilo996 10 months ago
definitely a copy of the American F111 Raven - What?
"The F-111A RAVEN was an electronic warfare aircraft designed to replace the obsolete B-66 Destroyer". F111 Aardvark was.....?
Tornado, small agile, low flying, all weather, nav behind the pilot. Introduced in 74. 54 ft long, weight 60K lbs take off weight.
F111 Introduced in 67. 75ft long. 100K lbs take off weight.
The F111 does copy side by side config of the GB Lighting & GB invented swing wing though. Isn't knowledge great.
smilo996 10 months ago
you my friend are stupid u cant say it copied the f-111a raven cuz it looks like it . i could say the raven copied the mig-23
megbulb 10 months ago
definitely a copy of the American F111 Raven
trevinboy 10 months ago
Tornado - fly in low, avoid detection & strike target. Typically shot down on the way home.
Daz555Daz 10 months ago
Verry nice, I've never seen a Tornado do a "proper" air display like that.
mikester1290 11 months ago
really good footage man , peace
tenjets 11 months ago
Wow....
dannyfsr 11 months ago
F22 was designed for multi role EF for air to air... only recently the EF has been made for air to ground attack, is that true?heard it some where
lewisx20x20x20 11 months ago
@lewisx20x20x20 no. just no. f-22 is a air to air. Ef multi role. always has been that way.
threadgoldc 9 months ago
@lewisx20x20x20
No, the F-22 Raptor is the one invanted towards Air to Air Warfare more than any other role, this plus the F-22's high unit cost is why it's being complimented by the "F-35-C"
(rather like the previous ratio of F-15's to F-16's before the latter).
The Eurofighter Typhoon was designed from the start to be a capable of Interception & Ground Attack Roles.
We in GB did have a F-22 Rival in development during the 1990's ("BAE-Replica"), but "Bliar" axed her & went for F-35 instead.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TheARMAProductions dude, really? ur talking to the f-22 about ground attack weapons? we are replacing our f-16s with the f-35s because f-35s are better. f-22s are even better. cant compare f-22 to the EF
IsCr3amLikEaPig 11 months ago
@TheARMAProductions well no, i mean i know the EF ability. but the f-15s, f-16s, and f-18s were designed like 30 years ago. you cant compare them. i dont know about the Rafale and the Grippen. but now, the f-22s are the best.
IsCr3amLikEaPig 11 months ago
@TheARMAProductions it entered service like 30 years after all of the jets u just named
IsCr3amLikEaPig 11 months ago
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1pararule 1 year ago
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The 'clash' took place last year over Windermere when the two-seater RAF Eurofighter was 'bounced' from behind by the two F-15E fighters. The US pilots intended to pursue the supposedly hapless 'Limey' for several miles and lock their radars on to it for long enough so that if it had been a real dogfight the British jet would have been shot down. But much to the Americans' surprise, the Eurofighter shook them off, outmanoeuvred them and moved into shooting positions on their tails.
1pararule 1 year ago
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A chance encounter over the Lake District between a Eurofighter trainer and two F-15 aircraft turned into a mock dogfight, with the British plane coming off best - much to the surprise of some in the RAF. The episode was hushed up for fear of causing US blushes. For a project 10 years late and $8bn over budget, it is a welcome piece of good news.
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1pararule 1 year ago
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When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the converstaion on security grounds"
1pararule 1 year ago
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There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more .
1pararule 1 year ago
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more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected.
1pararule 1 year ago
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@TheARMAProductions The eurofighters came out on top in a training excerise against the f15 and more recently f22 raptors and in america a couple of years ago, that was all kept quiet though but there are some reports on the internet if you look..
Eurofighters are far better than what you think.
1pararule 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions 3 sea harriers shot down 3 f15s in a mock fight in 1979. not many people seem to know that.
deathwarmedup73 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions Hm, yeah I think EF is superior in most ways to the teen series, but not nearly as exaggerated as some make it out to be. F-15 has higher top speed, more range, but BVR it's about equal with EF and WVR certainly the EF has the edge in agility, but like you said ASRAAM can change the game.
Good article I'm reading assessing the EF and comparing to others, I'll just send it to you I hate posting links here.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions As in A-4 Skyhawk? Which is 1950's too lol, as well as ground attack aircraft but it does have some AIM-9's for self protection. Though they didn't have them during Falklands war I don't think we would sell them any.
Might give the harrier a run for the money, they're pretty similar. But not a tornado certainly not a typhoon lol.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
Well, I'll just have to get use to the ' Eurofighter ' The Typoon? thank you.
MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
Call me an 'Old fart' but... why do the RAF, wish too remove this fine machine from service ?!!! Yes... it's big and ugly, but... so was the F4 !!! I'm sure someone with the 'Spot-on' smarts, will be able to answer this question, for an unaware yank.
MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
@MrJeffreydunson we making way for the new stuff, typhoon, f35, we may want to put our ucav into production sometime also (taranis)
tigerfedor1 1 year ago
@tigerfedor1 So.... how long shall the Tornado flt, remain in the falklands (Mt. Pleasant ?) to counter the Areggie's air assaults ? thanks for the info. !!!
MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
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MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
@MrJeffreydunson we have already swapped the tornado for the typhoon in the falkland islands, i think we have 6 of them there
tigerfedor1 1 year ago
@MrJeffreydunson i dont think its ugly , prob in my top 5 for awesomeness :)
djwilko7 1 year ago
@djwilko7 Your correct !
MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
Yeah you`re right!
juanpialva 1 year ago
The argentinian A4 will eat this plane in case they decided to attack falklands again
juanpialva 1 year ago
@juanpialva The RAF's just behind the USAF and the Russians, Aregentine A4 no chance against f3 or Typhoons
Lukeclout 1 year ago
@juanpialva ha! we have typhoons on the falklands,
tigerfedor1 1 year ago
@juanpialva
not to put aspersions on your theory but the A4 was underpowered when they entered service with the Argentinians and they have not bothered to update them since, and were put to shame by a handful of sub sonic harriers last time
TheMightyt1981 1 year ago
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Argentinian uses the upgraded A-4AR Fightinghawk.
Coreyhkh2 1 year ago
miss the lightning. jet also.out of service now
...amazing jet this Tornado
MrDogs32 1 year ago
Great to see the old bird! :)
hardchargin40 1 year ago
Nice to see and 10 out of 10 for a nice film.
Thanks
Stephen T
stephentann 1 year ago
Awesome aircraft!Flying tank :-)
yfh10mg 1 year ago
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@TH7596 Ah, but he was flying that old F15, worse, he was Ozzy...nuff said....LOL.
EnglishTurbines 1 year ago
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@EnglishTurbines check out the vid on auto play on my page, its filmed in UK and everyone there are impressed with what they see
TH7596 1 year ago
Very beautiful jet! Dont like the futuristic looking 5th generation jets, really...
GeFlous 1 year ago
@GeFlous I know how you feel , but you gotta exept technology mate. F22 Raptor is todays jet fighter.
chickendippers1997 1 year ago
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@chickendippers1997... F22 Raptor is todays Cancelled Fighter. Eurofighter is # 1.
EnglishTurbines 1 year ago
@EnglishTurbines even though there are more F-22 in service than Eurofighter. lol
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
@EnglishTurbines hating isnt good boy....LOOL
TH7596 1 year ago
Superb camera work. I was on Tornado from 1978 as a boy on prototypes at Warton lancashire. Pity its getting phased out long before its sell by date. The Italians and Germans aren't grounding thiers. Such a sad government.
furighoni 1 year ago
love the tornado proper old school
moto46 1 year ago
Nice Video!
mikeburrell 1 year ago
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As an Irishman I think the RAF are way better then the USAF and if they were so inclined the RAF could easily take out the whole might of the USAF despite being outnumbered...the RAF ave been around for far longer than the USAF...the Best of British xxx
dublinmanc 1 year ago
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Uhhhhh yeaa ok.
Parubhi 1 year ago
@dublinmanc you're on crack.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago