Jean Pierre's Interview with Bob Brier

[ChiroQuacker]

built by et's...humans are too dumb...they didnt even have a wheel then but they could build the great pyramid...next you'll tell me we sent men to the moon...

[Indygoguy]

Houdin is a typical product of a European socialist education. He spouts nonsense and can not see the forest for the trees. It makes absolutely NO sense for the builders to drag the large granite slabs for the King's chamber roof up to the height of the King's chamber by way of the ramp and counterweight. Why do all that when one could just have them at the Pyramid during the start of construction and then just raise them up with each level. He's a typical academic moron.

[isisankh]

I love Bob Brier :)  + this theory is so fascinating.

[bashthebandello]

@isisankh its jean pierre houdin's theory

[Indygoguy]

@isisankh He's a horrible lisping fool!

[Indygoguy]

@isisankh It's fascinating in it's vapidness. . Briar is just an academic. They are useless "thinkers' like the people who spent their lives arguing about how many angels cold fit on the head of a pin. The obvious things seem to always elude them. If Houdin is going to propose using counterweights then there is no need for a 7% slope., or an internal ramp. They could be brought straight up the side of the pyramid with counterweights

[Doza130]

Brier rules.

[geezzerboy]

The pyramid beside it doesn't have an ascending chamber, or any other kind of upper chambers, so how was it built?

[biggj21]

BRILLIANT!!

[spacemanjupiter]

I just think its funny that in the year 2008, modern science still can't determine how these ancient, archaic structures were built. And even this guy with his new theory, he still can't prove it. No one can. Maybe if they could get the egyptian government to open up the left paw of the sphynx, we'd learn something about it.

[Khufufan]

Yes but it's the only theory that can be proven very easily using non destructive infrared technology to detect the internal ramp. If the internal ramp exists, the theory is right.

[GUILDGOB]

If the ramp exists, it could still just be a ramp. Most pyramids had very strange things for uses we don't understand today. I mean, the ramp could've been used to slide there garbage down faster for all we know. Or even a slide for children.

[Indygoguy]

@GUILDGOB Yes, indeed, a small ramp the width of a person would not do. A ramp  could be nothing more than a human passageway for maintenance purposes.

[Indygoguy]

@Khufufan What if there is a ramp but it is too small to get most of the stones through? What if exists only as a human passageway? In order for the theory to be right a ramp, if it is ever found, needs to be large enough for the purpose of construction.

[ilovemixednuts]

@Indygoguy i like the name. Khufufan. thats awesome

[Indygoguy]

@ilovemixednuts Giving your other alias a compliment I suspect. You are your own biggest fan.

[Indygoguy]

@spacemanjupiter Egyptology has NOTHING to do with science! A scientist would have TESTED their theories and then discarded them when they didn't hold up. Egyptologists have never tested nor demonstrated any part of their theories of how the pyramids were built. In fact, all the evidence points to the fact that their theories are wrong, yet they still teach the, This is not science, this is occultism, religion, superstition.

[goblin072]

We still can't figure out how they were built.

20 years LOL no way. Maybe 200 years.

Seems like people back then were smarter than today. We have had hundreds of years to figure it out and we still can't. We probably would say it is impossible yet we see it with out own eyes.

[guminda]

The Hoover dam on Colorado River was built in 5 years. To build Khufu's pyramid, with a same volume, Egyptians did it in around 20 years...Make sense...Because they were skilled, smart and clever...A lot more you can imagine...You don't build a pyramid like this one if you are morons...

[goblin072]

LOL I have been to the Hoover Dam there is no comparison to the pyramids. The pyramids could not be built today while the hover dam can.

Poured cement vs cut blocks. The hoover dam is like a tinker toy in comparison.

[guminda]

I think the first thing you should do before writing anything more on this matter is to know what you are talking about. Learn (not from a tabloïd)about Egyptian IV Dynasty large smooth pyramids and about the Hoover Dam...Come back later...LOL...

[goblin072]

I have heard hours of interviews with experts talking about the various theories outside ramps, inside ramps etc. These are people that have dedicated their lives to the studies and are not tabloid. Maybe you should start listening to their interviews.

The best theory so far is they used an internal ramp. They are going to scan the pyramid for traces of this ramp.

They still have no idea of how they fit the outside shell stones so perfectly. Yes there are a few left at the base.

[guminda]

Bring the material inside the perimeter and build the facing first, the backing in second and fill the core, this layer after layer...The Inside-Out technique...To build the first 2/3 of the volume (1/3 in height), an external ramp is the right solution, but to build the 1/3 remaining (2/3 in height) and to reach the top, an internal ramp is the only one solution to always be inside the perimeter. External + Internal = Pyramid

[Zarroph]

Really? C'mon now. You would have realized that a long time ago. Not to mention that a French guy wouldn't know the answer before someone from where they are located. The truth is, you will never know why or how they are built in time for it to be of any use to you. It's purpose has already been served. GG trying to figure it out.

[guminda]

Is it a matter of nationality ?

Are french just coming out from the cavern ages ?

Wake up...

[SitThisOneOut]

Sounds good to me.

What is bazaar is finding an architect who knows how a building is built!

The ones I know are still determining the size and location of the building while the Structural Foundation Drawings are going out the door for bids!!

[seanchristian1971]

HAHA No kiddin' I could tell some shit on the designer (just a young kid getting her feet wet in the industry) of an HSBC Bank building foundation I built this past spring. Of course the shit rolled down hill to us carpenters at the end of the day. Good thing it was a Union job.

[seanchristian1971]

Whats surprising to me is that architects haven't looked at the pyramids before. Think about it finance professionals aren't engineering the new World Trade Complex. Doctors don't build hospitals.When a house is built or building is constructed they're not built from the outside in. They're built from the ground up, starting from inside support structures out. Any other way would be inefficient. So why would it have been done any differently six thousand years ago?

Why is this toooo funny?

[UFOtuber]

Has anyone figured out where the blocks came from, and how they were measured and cut?, and why they lasted so long? Why didn't the pyramids sink or even tilt? How could they have surveyed the ground beneath to determine it had a solid base for such a heavy structure? Are there any sunken or tilted pyramids? Are there any partially constructed pyramids that were never finished or were they ALWAYS completed?

[seanchristian1971]

Search the web! I'm sure there are theories to your questions. The ground beneath was probably surveyed before any building began. Ancient Egyptians used sighting poles and line to survey the land. Just like it's done today, along with various high tech equipment. Again, there are building processes used today that were used six thousand years ago.

[Brennna]

It depends on who you ask. Zahi Hawass says the stones came right from the area of the pyramids. This guy says from Aswan, 500 miles away. I have always heard they were from the Muqqatam hills in Cairo. If you go there you can see where they were cut. Some pyramids didn't do so well, one bent, one collapsed. The three main ones didn't sink because they sit on a stone plateau in Giza.

[guminda]

There were 3 quarries : facing stones (limestone) from Turah (East bank of the Nile), backing stones and rough core stones (limestone) from Giza (300 meters South of the pyramid) and granite for the King' chamber from Aswan (850km South). That means : an huge supply chain !!!

[guminda]

Yes, when Man went first out of his cavern long time ago, he built his shelter, his house, whatever you call it...Architecture was born...XXX milleniums ago...

Egyptology is very young science...200 years...Who is best suited to talk about architecture ?

[nossydobon]

Beyond ludicrous! Firmly idiotic. Just another poorly constructed theory to amuse the baffled.

[seanchristian1971]

These guys are professionals in their field , they know what they are talking about. What do you bring to the table? What are your theories?

[guminda]

To be an architect to understand how Man built the pyramids is certainly a better training than any Egyptolgist training...

What he proposes...Aliens, locks, huge ramps, machines, balloons, kites, external spiral ramps...You run quickly out of solutions...believe me...

[nossydobon]

I'll admit, I don't have a theory but that doesn't make a person who does correct in their assumptions. I just heard this guy on Coast 2 Coast AM this morning explaining the gist of his theory. And some of the things he said just blew me away (as not only misconceived but unscientific). Meaning without scientific basis or historic fact. Example: His theory on cutting 60 ton stones while still in the Copper Age? By standing on cliffs and throwing harder stones down upon them. Paaaaaalease!

[guminda]

Example: His theory on cutting 60 ton stones while still in the Copper Age? By standing on cliffs and throwing harder stones down upon them. Paaaaaalease!

This technique is called : pounding...Egyptian quarried granite by pounding a trench around with dolerite balls (dolerite is harder than granite). You can visit Aswan quarries and you will understand...Dolerite tools are still on site...

[nossydobon]

This technique has never been proven to have taken place. I mean really, think about it, to stand on a cliff, throw rocks down, break a 60-80 or more ton block of granite off of the cliff face is, well an absolute fantasy. Not to mention hundreds of them. No one can duplicate it today. It's just theory. If not, do it! Using dolerite to cube said stones is possible. But hundreds of them in the 20 year time frame? With a maximum of 20,000 workers, 10,000 on average?(their numbers, not mine)Please.

[guminda]

Book a flight to Egypt - Aswan...Go to the quarry and look...You will change your mind...

And for Khufu's pyramid, it's not hundreds of them : 43 beams weighing between 27 and 63 t and around 80 cubics blocs about 10 t. And they got 12 years to quarry these blocks before setting ine the pyramid. Start learning, stop dreaming...(no offense...)

And only 20 guys for every beam quarried...no place to stand for more guys...Long work, for sure...but they had...Time...something we forgot now...

[seanchristian1971]

Haven't listened to the C2C show yet so I don't know his trip. I thought it was already known how the stones were cut. As for the Era it was supposed to have taken place it doesn't seem very incredible to me. When all you have to do for sixteen hours a day ( I don't think they kept to an 8 hour work day) is cut stone I don't think those in charge really gave a shit how hard it would be. How about Stonehenge ? Wasn't that built in the same era? Don't underestimate perseverance.

[stickon2me]

I agree, I've seen many and heard of many theories but this one is just plain funny...

nobody is mentioning the biggest blocks, some of which have been cut out of mountains many miles away from the actual construction site.

Let him explain that, and also how they made a tomb out of pure solid(dont know the type)onxy type of rock, where the edges are to the 100st decimal precise 90 degrees. We cant even carrie massif obj like that let alone manipulate it like that,...hahahhaha...still funny tho

[seanchristian1971]

We cant even carrie massif obj like that let alone manipulate it like that,...hahahhaha...still funny tho

Uhhmm...don't think so....Ever seen what is lifted and manipulated in a modern shipyard? Not offloading but shipbuilding. Amazing sights.

[stickon2me]

What about that tomb I mentioned? can we do that? NOOO.

[seanchristian1971]

Sorry. Tomb? Can you mention again. Check out the lift operations of modern shipbuilders. It truly is amazing demonstrations of engineering. Insane amounts of weight.

[mfritz0]

put it to the test.  Build a new pyramid. Make it the biggest and the grandest.

[wutterputter]

great idea

[stickon2me]

hahahahaha, this is tooooo funny

[guminda]

Nothing is funny about...The funny one is not on this side...