Quote from an interview of CEO Don Runkle of EcoMotors:
“The OPOC is cheaper, better, simpler, stronger, lighter and cleaner than any other power generating technology now or in the foreseeable future. . .The engine’s width is exaggerated a bit . . .”
Yet, the pattakon opposed piston engines OPRE and PatOP (there are videos and video-animations in the youtube) are cheaper, better, simpler, stronger, lighter and cleaner than OPOC. Aren't they?
The only reason seizures are famous in 2 strokes is because not many people run them tuned correctly. Tell me more about the potential issues with the outer piston wrist pin locations? Also, i'm unsure how you can spot a cooling issue when they didnt even illustrate the cooling system.
-It already dominates. Think about the container ship engines, which are uniflow scavenged 2-stroke diesels and the best of them has the measured efficiency of over 50 %.
@Philscbx If you can get enougn air to flow through the engine on the uniflow intake cycle, (Air comes in above the lower piston and chases the exhaust out above the upper piston), a 2-stroke like this can be as clean as a 4-stroke.
Note the mention of being 'able to achieve boost pressure even before cranking (starting) the engine'. Intake air management and turbochargers have come a LONG WAY since the 2-cycle GMC diesels designed in 1938!
Forget the conspiracy theories. Batteries are just not ready for prime time. In fact what really killed the electric car was the perfection of the starter motor, ie ease of starting and long duration.
if they could use transonic supercritical fuel injection on this it will icrease efficiency even more, check it out at transonic combustion, wonder if it would work?
Quit dick'n around with gas engines- Electric has better torque and smoother, cooler, more reliable performance. Spend your time developing lithium polymer batteries or ones superior. Electric is the answer. RC helicopters have just as long flight times as nitro ones and can fly 3D just as well and better. It's possible, and it's the future.
I know some guys from Caltech that built an electric car...spent $10 million on the prototype...better than anything Tesla, GM or Toyota are doing....but forgot the cockpit thermal loads...50% of power at city speed on a cold/hot day. They gave up the project...
No, the answer is NOT electrics, at least for now. Lit Ion bats are 570 lbs/gallon equ energy, vs 8 lbs (with tank) for a gallon of gas.
Once gas engines are 60% eff. (soon) the game changes against electrics....
Thanks for the reply Seaplaneguy1. Failure is a very natural part of the process. Every great success comes after periods of failure. One failure by competent men doesn't faze me in the least. The patents for amazing batteries are purchased and remain unused by oil companies for a reason. Even if the reason is ignorant based fear on part of the oil companies. I'm not a global warming eccentric, but I do really like the idea of using energy more directly harvested from the sun.
Electricity wasn't always harnessed either. But look at how much work is done with it. Computers lighting etc. is all SO cheap and effective. Look at solar powered calculators now vs. the ones that had vacuum tubes in terms of power consumption. Electric cars got squashed because of oil interests. Were it not so, electric cars would be far more advanced now as well as the batteries powering them.
What killed the electric car was physics and battery limitations.
There are many factors to consider, and even in a perfect world electrics may fall short.
Here is why.... Thermal, water harvest, easy solar (no PV, just glass...cheap...can see through...more...) easy wind, 95% energy recovery of inertia (weight), and multiple fuel sources, including electricity...in a hydraulic motor, no doubt...
An Electric motor is only 1/4 or less of the process. It is like a hydraulic motor with a supply of high pressure fluid. Electric motors are 10 times as heavy per hp as a hydraulic motor...if I can only supply it with high pressure fluid...just like an el motor.
Electricity has to be made, very difficult to store, and does zero for thermal issues, water harvest (soon to be more valuable than fuel, some say).
This technology was passed by me over 4 years ago. Nice step in the right direction on some parts, but way primitive to where it needs to go. They are locked in an old paradigm that will soon be very obsolete.
Horizontal pitch, would certainly inprove balance- surprised how far advanced this is, and its development. glad we have such good efficient materials to make it, this,ll cost less too maintain and run..all good points lol
an aircraft version?????
garyshouse305 4 months ago
is this guy smart or what
bandguy360 8 months ago
Yadaa Yadaa Yadaa .........Give it a chace to be.......It just might . Henry Ford would have Loved it. I do.
rufus99999 11 months ago
Quote from an interview of CEO Don Runkle of EcoMotors:
“The OPOC is cheaper, better, simpler, stronger, lighter and cleaner than any other power generating technology now or in the foreseeable future. . .The engine’s width is exaggerated a bit . . .”
Yet, the pattakon opposed piston engines OPRE and PatOP (there are videos and video-animations in the youtube) are cheaper, better, simpler, stronger, lighter and cleaner than OPOC. Aren't they?
Manousos Pattakos
pattakoncom 1 year ago
I have to admit it's a cool layout, but two stroke will never dominate 4 stroke for fuel efficient right out of the box.
Other than GM's diesels. Mercury Motors?
Maybe a stand alone powerplant for generator out in the jungle where the epa is out of site.
Integrity, the equivalent of 200k miles, Doubtful.
I see issue with outer pistons wrist pin location.
I'm sure they do as well.
Cooling issues see partial seizure as 2 strokes are famous for.
Brushless turbo boost looks good.
Good Luck.
Philscbx 1 year ago
@Philscbx
The only reason seizures are famous in 2 strokes is because not many people run them tuned correctly. Tell me more about the potential issues with the outer piston wrist pin locations? Also, i'm unsure how you can spot a cooling issue when they didnt even illustrate the cooling system.
pwntzilla 1 year ago
@Philscbx
-It already dominates. Think about the container ship engines, which are uniflow scavenged 2-stroke diesels and the best of them has the measured efficiency of over 50 %.
robinhooodvsyou 10 months ago
@Philscbx If you can get enougn air to flow through the engine on the uniflow intake cycle, (Air comes in above the lower piston and chases the exhaust out above the upper piston), a 2-stroke like this can be as clean as a 4-stroke.
Note the mention of being 'able to achieve boost pressure even before cranking (starting) the engine'. Intake air management and turbochargers have come a LONG WAY since the 2-cycle GMC diesels designed in 1938!
JGMagoo 9 months ago
Forget the conspiracy theories. Batteries are just not ready for prime time. In fact what really killed the electric car was the perfection of the starter motor, ie ease of starting and long duration.
pruephillip 1 year ago
if they could use transonic supercritical fuel injection on this it will icrease efficiency even more, check it out at transonic combustion, wonder if it would work?
grgfraiser 1 year ago
Quit dick'n around with gas engines- Electric has better torque and smoother, cooler, more reliable performance. Spend your time developing lithium polymer batteries or ones superior. Electric is the answer. RC helicopters have just as long flight times as nitro ones and can fly 3D just as well and better. It's possible, and it's the future.
briansmobile1 2 years ago
Brainsmobile,
I know some guys from Caltech that built an electric car...spent $10 million on the prototype...better than anything Tesla, GM or Toyota are doing....but forgot the cockpit thermal loads...50% of power at city speed on a cold/hot day. They gave up the project...
No, the answer is NOT electrics, at least for now. Lit Ion bats are 570 lbs/gallon equ energy, vs 8 lbs (with tank) for a gallon of gas.
Once gas engines are 60% eff. (soon) the game changes against electrics....
seaplaneguy1 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply Seaplaneguy1. Failure is a very natural part of the process. Every great success comes after periods of failure. One failure by competent men doesn't faze me in the least. The patents for amazing batteries are purchased and remain unused by oil companies for a reason. Even if the reason is ignorant based fear on part of the oil companies. I'm not a global warming eccentric, but I do really like the idea of using energy more directly harvested from the sun.
briansmobile1 2 years ago
Electricity wasn't always harnessed either. But look at how much work is done with it. Computers lighting etc. is all SO cheap and effective. Look at solar powered calculators now vs. the ones that had vacuum tubes in terms of power consumption. Electric cars got squashed because of oil interests. Were it not so, electric cars would be far more advanced now as well as the batteries powering them.
briansmobile1 2 years ago
look up "Who killed the electric car" on youtube- the ending is a heart breaker with hard evidence of secret motives.
briansmobile1 2 years ago
@briansmobile1
What killed the electric car was physics and battery limitations.
There are many factors to consider, and even in a perfect world electrics may fall short.
Here is why.... Thermal, water harvest, easy solar (no PV, just glass...cheap...can see through...more...) easy wind, 95% energy recovery of inertia (weight), and multiple fuel sources, including electricity...in a hydraulic motor, no doubt...
See my profile for details.
Nobody is going to buy and hide this tech....
seaplaneguy1 2 years ago
@briansmobile1
An Electric motor is only 1/4 or less of the process. It is like a hydraulic motor with a supply of high pressure fluid. Electric motors are 10 times as heavy per hp as a hydraulic motor...if I can only supply it with high pressure fluid...just like an el motor.
Electricity has to be made, very difficult to store, and does zero for thermal issues, water harvest (soon to be more valuable than fuel, some say).
There is a better way...and it is NOT electrics.
seaplaneguy1 2 years ago
This technology was passed by me over 4 years ago. Nice step in the right direction on some parts, but way primitive to where it needs to go. They are locked in an old paradigm that will soon be very obsolete.
seaplaneguy1 2 years ago
Horizontal pitch, would certainly inprove balance- surprised how far advanced this is, and its development. glad we have such good efficient materials to make it, this,ll cost less too maintain and run..all good points lol
crimsoncoin 2 years ago
"A diesel engine could reduce fuel consumption by 40% over a turbine engine"
That seems counter intuitive.
TheGreatSteve 2 years ago