Expose him & debate him on national TV; exposing mean face to face challenge not your racist opinion on YouTube, you sure do have heavy hate for a Black race. You are not proving nothing but, chopping & mixed word to fit your agenda to make you look smart but, in reality you are one the dumbest, mentally handicap person on YouTube. All African-American & Black African have his books; there nothing you can do about, your opinion & video is going to change our mind.
@NAGANEGUS LOL@ your racist hatred. Save your feeble attempts to deny the evidence. You're an outright liar … ranting on senselessly, obsessed with redeeming the image of your "black race".. I deal in science on this site not bullshit.
Watch "Return to Glory" in youtube and research the first 18 Dynastic periods of Egypt, particularly the 18th. Do some research on the invasions of Egypt. Why is there a distinction between the "Ancient Egyptians" (Africans) and "Egyptians"? The majority of the people you see in Egypt today are the sons and daughters of the last invaders. You can't discredit someones lifetime of research because of one sentence. Read the writings of "The Iliad" & "The Odyssey". And whats a negroid?
2. The Egyptians never identified themselves as nor depicted themselves as Nubians.
3. The ancients are descendents of the moderns (Secrets Of The Pharaohs” Episode 2 “Lost City Of The Pyramids minute 42; Dr. Moamena Kamel - Immunologist, Cairo University) - - and there are loads of dna analysis backing this statement.
4. The Greeks made distinction between "Agyptos" and "Aethiops"
@phoenician7 Obviously, within that 44 minutes that you replied to my last post, there is no way you checked the references I gave you. I won't waste anymore of my time....
@squabby91 LOL! You don't think other negrocentrics haven't argued the exact same thing with me before? You don't think I've debated and refuted everything you've mentioned? What this is, is a cheap way to bow out and not answer because you have no response. Thanks for admitting as much.
What did the Egyptians say? watch?v=4g_2awQwX1w&feature=channel_video_title
I answer Joel Freeman: /watch?v=gPXCLhLebL8&feature=relmfu
@phonyician7 (1) The tomb of Ramesses III (1200 BC) shows you a painting with four people labeled A,B,C,D. Pic A - Ancient Egyptian, Pic B - Indo European, Pic C - Nubian, Pic D - Semite. Pics A and C are physically indistiguishable. Ancient egyptians viewed themselves as black with the rest of Africa! (2)Your bible - Genesis sons of Ham=Kam=BLACK, Mizraim=Egypt, Cush=Ethiopia, Canaan=Palestine, Phut=Lybia. I've looked in the mirror and the statues and drawings of the ancients look just like me!
@mysticman332 Go buy some glasses, delusional one, they look more like me. Now you run along and hold that (A) and (C) image up to actual Egyptian images such as Ramses II or Seti I. Looks nothing like them and you know it.
To discredit what not only Dr. Ben has says, but other scholars (European and others) too have researched, will require more information than you have you here. Mary Lefkowitz had not visited any tomb or temple at the time "Not Out of Africa" was written. Attempting to discredit Dr. Ben isn't going to change the records in the Nile. You have conveniently not shown any statues of indigenous African Pharaohs, whom are often not mentioned and are passed over anyhow. Your actions, typically biased.
@squabby91 Jochannan never excavated a single artifact - in Egypt or anywhere else. Everything in this video has been overwhelmingly substantiated with supporting references; he has been exposed as pushing lies by the British Museum - the papyrus of Hunefer makes no claims that Jochannan pushes. He expressed his desire to kill White people, don' tell me he wasn't a biased racist and you can't explain why negroids don't resemble the Egyptians.
Hey check this out. The University of Cambridge recently dedicated scholarly backing of an African-centered Egypt & Nubia. They have a virtual museum where you can take a virtual tour and everything. Check it out. Just google "Fitzwilliam Museum Virtual Kemet". To all the unbelievers out there who can't accept the scientifically accepted facts about the Black African origins of Egypt AND Nubia, I wish you much luck challenging the #1 ranked University in the World, The University of Cambridge.
I'll just say, to use the sources, that Dr. Ben speaks against, doesn't make your claims credible. I'm sure that there are flaws in what ANY MAN says. But the system is alot larger than Dr. Ben and what he has to say. He's been to that places that he speaks of, have you? or did you just google it?
That Seti sure is one dumbed down dude. A creation of his own device. He's not only the poster child for 'waycism', but he's also symbolic of the dumbed-down generation, yet trying to pass as some scholar..oh what a joke. And to top it off, the sound of his voice is so annoying, ghettoish, trashy, loud and rude.. low class. Ben, Clarke, Diop, Rashidi, Jeffries and a whole slew of these tards and their fantasies...This is a great video btw.
@infox1000 The Sahara consumes 1/3 of the African continent. Algeria, Chad, Egypt, Eritrea, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Sudan, Tunisia, Western Sahara. None of those are Sub Saharan nations. wiki/Sahara Ge'ez was introduced by Arabians, therefore not a "Sub Saharan African writing system" as you falsely claim and Meroitic in Sudan, that's not Sub Sahara at all - and very few at that used it. So you haven't come up with any Sub Saharan scripts but an attempt to fabricate history.
@infox1000 Refer to a map. Sub literally means _below_. Sub Sahara means *below* the Sahara. It does not refer to nations east of it, or to the west of it or those in it.
@infox1000 All of those are fairly recent. Ge'ez and Meroitic were influenced by the outside world, further they're not Sub Saharan, but East African.
@phoenician7..Outside did not teach Africa nothing; you are KKK white man on YouTube attacking Black teachers & Black students, due to the heavy hate that you carry in your heart for Black race.
Homer's Iliad. This part says that Zevs and the other gods WENT TO Ethiopia after being called by it's people and will be back to Olympus 12 days later.
@phoenician7 Did i say they were? I was correcting that roody-poo in your video on his attempt to distort the real text.
Homer's works and other ancient scribings mention Zevs and others going to all sorts of places.Taurida (Crimea).
Technically, not Greeks. Hittites. Trojans were hellenized Hittites of Anatolia and Ethiopia was a Trojan domain.Iliad mentions king Memnon of Ethiopia who was a nephew of king Priamos.He was killed by Achilles.
Theres no writings of Europeons B4 10 century BC so Dr.Ben was Right. There were Absolutely No Caucasians in the Nile Valley. Caucasians never founded a Civilization in Europe that predates Egypt to show a connection between the two lands.
@snowmchristv wrong those are Arabs that came into Egypt in the 7th century AD . Rememder Egyptians despised the Asians Hebrews/Arabs= Semites= desert tribes. the Ancient Greeks & Romans say different also ppl who saw the Sphinx B4 it was destroyed = Count Constantine Devolney said the Sphinx is typically Negriod in all its features. don't have to make nothin up. thats a myth that Blacks only stayed south of the sahara.. Egyptians were indigenous Africans caucasians were not.
@garychldress74 They still looked pretty much like the current Egyptians, you speak of the sphinx as typically negroid, well its not even intact, so its not a good way to judge. I'll tell you what is negroid is these images at 1:52 in this video.....watch?v=olO17P-OYsI&feature=channel_video_title......Now those are without a doubt Negroid. which is not how the Egyptians looked. You are from west sub saharan africa my friend
@snowmchristv U failed to realize there were no border lines in Africa until the Berlin Conference. The Egyptians never identified with Asians or their Cultures. The Pharaohs wore leopard skins just like other Africans. Asian mostly wore sack cloths. Europeans had nothing to do with Egyptian anything. When Egypt fell they migrated back to the interior of Africa that also means they went west as well. West Africans are Negriod ppl so is African Americans. they didn't flee to Asia or Europe.
@snowmchristv The problem is in your Eurocentric schools you been taught that all Negros are Dark & have broad features. Theres are a lot of Egyptians with broad features such as King Narmer,Zoser ,Akhenaten, Mentuhotep, Senwosret ,Queen Tiye, Amenhotep lll & all of the 25th dynasty. Blacks come in many shades, shapes & also have different features without any race mixure of other races. Even in the Bible Ham is Ancestor of the Negros & Egyptians The land of Ham(EGYPT).
@garychldress74 Can you provide a prior use of the scepter or gold used in burial practices from your African sources? In fact was there ever a scepter actually used prior to the rise of Egypt's first dynasties in the sub-saharan? How about gold? What were the burial practices of sub-saharans before the rise of Egypt?
@garychldress74 What were the burial styles of the sub-saharans before the dawning of Egypt's first dynasties? Can you provide us with any written evidence from sub-saharans? Did they have a written language?
@garychldress74 Here's another for you....how about the use of copper or bronze. Did the sub-saharans have evidence of copper or bronze before the M.E or North Africa?
@garychldress74 LOL no its you thinking that . Thats why you brought up the sphinx looking negroid. The fact is that your from the school off afrocentrics and think current egyptian cant have negroid features. sorry buddy they look like current egyptians
@snowmchristv "of" not "off" dumbass, you do have modern Egyptians with so called "Negroid" features,
CAN ALL OF THE YOUTUBE SCHOLARS STOP TRYING TO APPEAR SO BRILLIANT, NONE OF YOUR VIDEOS HAVE MORE THAN 2000 VIEWS, BLACK OR WHITE. IT'S A SHAME THAT YOU TELL YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN PRETEND TO BE SMARTER THAN ACTUAL MEN THAT WERE EDUCATED, IT DISGUSTS ME
@garychldress74 " no border lines in Africa " Yet earlier you stated: "where Egypt set up there Borders to keep the Asians out."
LMAO which ever way the wind blows, eh liar?
"Egyptians never identified with Asians"
They never identified with negroids, hell they didn't even look like them and its amazing that not one single Egyptian artifact can be located in Sub Sahara.
"The interpolation analyses and complete sequencing of present mtDNA sub-Saharan lineages observed in North Africa support the genetic impact of RECENT trans-Saharan migrations, namely the slave trade initiated by the Arab conquest of North Africa in the SEVENTH CENTURY. SUB SAHARAN PEOPLE DID NOT LEAVE TRACES IN THE NORTH AFRICAN MATERNAL GENE POOL FOR THE TIME OF ITS SETTLEMENT, SOME 40,000 YEARS AGO." (Harich et al, 2010)
@AfroKan7 Jochannan was a liar as evidenced by the letter written by the British Museum and the fact that he did not attend college in Spain since it was bombed. Jochannan desired the death of White people, he was a liar and never conducted an excavation in Egypt or handled ancient human remains.
As someone that has handled ancient artifacts and ancient human remains, and has worked on various excavations, I am above and beyond the racist.
@AfroKan7 Since your into pointing out typos, Chiekh Anta Diop like you have it, is actually spelled Cheikh Anta Diop. These scholars like Ivan Van Sertima think the olmecs were negroids also, LOL. Fuck these idiots
@garychldress74 "There were Absolutely No Caucasians in the Nile Valley."
COME AGAIN?
“We examined radiographs of 12 Egyptian royal mummies obtained by two of the authors (W.R. and J.E.H.) and never before published. These people were Caucasian." (” 1988 Braunstein, M.D. et al)
Göbekli Tepe 9,000BC, Çatalhöyük 7,400BC, Çayönü 7,400BC , Abu Hureyra, etc all these predate Egypt, not one single negroid civ that old.
@garychldress74 Google Vinca script, moron, all negroid script is based on Arabic and Latin. Ben was a lying racist - who advocated the murder of Whites so of course you support someone like that, racist.
Göbekli Tepe 9,000BC, Çatalhöyük 7,400BC, Çayönü 7,400BC , Abu Hureyra, etc all those predate Egypt. I suggest you google Greek pyramid, that too predates Egypts oldest.
@ArabianLady80 Vinca, Youra, Dispilio, Ogham, Minoan, Linear A, B, Greek all that predates "semetic" - in fact "semetic" was created by proto European Caucasoids.
@ArabianLady80 Semites are Caucasoids, not negroids. Proto Europeans originated in these ancient areas, it was proto European language. Further you, (who is most likely Jimmy or his puppet) again, provide no evidence to support your claims. Sub Saharans never created an alphabet because they never created writing. Primitive Khoisan,being one of the oldest, couldn't get beyond click noises despite having all the time in the world to develope a language/writing.Arabs owe a lot to Europe.
Arabic was spread through trade and it gave the common person access to writing. Not to mention, Arabic was the language of learning at that time just like Latin was the language of learning in Europe. You whats funny, you scream that Africans never invented a written language, which is false. But you know, Africans not only invented their own written language but their own alphabet whereas Europeans never invented their own alphabet.
@JimmyJump0007 "Europeans never invented their own alphabet. " VS " "Latin was the language of learning in Europe." You expose yourself as a lying hypocrite. Latin isn't European? (Vinca, Youra, Dispilio, Ogham, Minoan, Linear A, B, Greek, etc) You have been made to look the fool as is demonstrated in your futile attempts. Latin and Arabic form the backbone for modern negroid scripts.
@JimmyJump0007 The lacking of intelligence in blacks is why they have never really moved past a primitive state. From modern Africa to Haiti, Detroit, and Rio, blacks live an unrefined lifestyle. There have been no major black scientists, literary figures, painters, engineers, architects, inventors, philosophers, explorers... the list goes on. The simple fact is that blacks are not, nor have ever been, an advanced people. Did they invent the wheel? No. Case in point.
That's not true some of my best literary figures have been Black like Wole Soyinka, Derek Walcott, and Toni Morrision. They are all brilliant. In my undergraduate studies, I learned about Sir W. Lewis Arthur, who is arguably one of the greatest economist of the 20th century and he is black.
@ArabianLady80 The names you listed are RECENT and have been under the influence of Western civilization -likely possessing some Caucasoid ancestry, Walcott certainly shows it. Try going back 2-3000 years.
@phoenician7 Soyinka is Yoruba (Nigerian). I don't know about Morrison or Walcott (I think they are Black-American) so they could have caucasian genetic influence..but Soyinka is straight Niger-Congolese/Bantu
Although, I could name countless sources and books but you will only try to dismiss or undermine them. I suspect after you reading this comment you may even cowardly block me again. You got the evidence wrong, you have no truth knowledge about Africa. Your whole video is ridiculous.
@JimmyJump0007 You are ridiculous and frustrated by your desperation. You are not in need of a debate but an education until you prove you are intelligent enough to come up with an acceptable argument from here on out I will continue to block you.
I provided a letter from the British museum - which coincidently you deliberately ignored, as it revealed facts that don't jive with your racist ideology, thereby exposing Jochannan as a liar. You have no truth or knowledge about anything.
That was quite scandalous of you to block me and still reply to my comments. I mean if you knew you were going to block me, why would you still reply to my comments? That is such a coward move and you pretty much revealed what kind of person you are. I disputed many of your fraudulent claims with ease. However, all you manage to do is try to cast doubt on what I say but really you haven’t disputed anything.
@JimmyJump0007 I'm not interested in your racist whining prattle. The reality is you are angered by the fact that you are incapable of presenting _any_ evidence to support your "claims". Until you present some proof you don't even have an argument, which is exactly why I blocked you,- you don't even have an argument, everyone watching in the gallery can see this.
LOL jumping jimmy can't refute the video so he resorts to non-issues. You can just see the hate and jealousy boiling in each of this posts. The fact is Sub Saharan negroids (jimmy's ancestors) had no written language until 1949 - and no civilization for that matter until Arabs and Europeans came along; and most that haven't been introduced to Arab/European advancement still continue to live as primitive hunter-gatherers stuck in the Stone Age. Don't be jealous, jimmy. LMAO!
You’re babbling, you mentioned in your video that black people never produced a book. I disputed that by informing you of blacks who wrote many books. In your desperate and feeble attempt to counter the fact that blacks wrote many books, you argued well they wrote in Arabic and it was thousands before the Greeks therefore its irrelevant. Any fair minded person reading can see you’re bias.
@JimmyJump007 You have yet to "prove" that either of those individuals mentioned were "black". If blacks wrote "many" books then certainly you would have provided substantiated evidence by now, not something that is extremely questionable. Anyone reading this, can certainly see your bias and lack of supporting evidence. Greek was spoken/written in Africa ~500BC long before Arabic ~700AD.
@phoenician7 Wow that's pretty shameful. For someone who purports to be knowledgeable about historical information, you are by far one of the most ignorant. Both men were black but you choose to ignore the facts for personal prejudices. I noticed that you haven’t challenged anything just trying to cast doubt, which is typical of people who can’t disprove the facts. Anyone reading can easily check what I stated.
“The fact is Sub Saharan negroids (jimmy's ancestors) had no written language until 1949”
I hate to bust your bubble but I’m not black…Anyways, another falsehood the ancient manding script predates the advent of Arabic by thousands of years. In fact, the proto-mande script, which the manding script derived from, was invented sometime before 4,000 B.C. I guess you also think blacks never domesticate any animals too?
@JimmyJump007 Then you certainly have issues, especially swallowing the garbage that Clyde Winters shovels about Manding. Strange how neither of the individuals you mentioned even wrote in Mande, again you present unsubstantiated assumptions without any supporting evidence. No quote, no author, nothing. Just mealy mouth nonsense based on a racist gutter ideology, bent on pushing an agenda, and we all see thru it.
You are confusing things I was referring to F.R Wuslin work on the ancient mandeing script. After all, the earliest know mande inscriptions were dated about 3,000 B.C by Wuslin, in his book “the prehistoric archeology of northwest Africa”. What’s strange about it? Writing was only available for the elites, which is why few people wrote in it. I mean the same thing happened in Europe. Most of Europe was not literate, writing was only for the elites.
@JimmyJump0007 LOL - written in 1941. __"Northwest Africa"__ (which was Caucasoid: Harich et al, 2010) - not __Sub Saharan Africa__. No negroid classical writers, philosophers, poets, mathematicians. Sub Saharans _never_ had a written langage until Arab and Whites influenced and introduced it to them. You resort to desperate attempts to try and fabricate a connection to civilization since you are so ashamed of your own, nonexistent, heritage.
@JimmyJump0007 No negroid African society had a written language or a calendar. None used the wheel or practiced joinery or built multi-story buildings. Iron smelting was common but no negroids built what could be called a mechanical device, even one so simple as a hinge. Negroids apparently tamed no animals themselves but received already-domesticated dogs and cattle from north of the Sahara. None used any beast of burden, despite the presence of large mammals that could have been tamed.
Now returning to the issues you raised in your video. You and I know, well I hope you know, that there is no general consensus about this so-called old European script. Some scholars believe this so called script is simply artwork. Not to mention there are no general accepted translations, so don’t be so presumptions and claim it’s a written language. As I said before, do some real research instead of reading Wikipedia because confirmation bias will blind you.
@JimmyJump007 "no general consensus" go ahead and provide the "evidence" for this and the names of these who claim such. Again, you won't because you cant. It is the oldest written script, just because it isn't deciphered, doesn't mean it isnt - neither is short-lived Meroitic. It has form and meaning unlike the teeth-marked Ishango bone. Wikipedia, so tha'ts where you obtain your mis-information. Well it figures.
This video is worthless and appalling. I don't even know where to start. First of all, the Vinca script is debatable. Linguists are not even sure it shows a true written language. You erroneously claimed that there is not a single book written by a Black. I guess you never heard of Ahmed Baba and Al-Jahiz. I'm even more shocked that you really think that statement is not papyrus of Hunefer.
@JimmyJump007 Your argument is worthless and appalling. Jochannan has been exposed as a liar at best you concoct insults and lies. Vinca is one of the oldest scripts; "debatable"? According to who? Based on what?
Ahmad Baba al-Massufi al-Tinbukti was Arabic influenced (hence his name) and wrote in Arabic script. This is thousands of years after Vinca, even after Greek for that matter. Al Jahiz was born in Basra, Iraq no evidence of him being "black". Try again.
That was a pretty nice fairy tale story. You know if we use your logic I could make a strong case to dismiss all European classical scholars work, even to the present. I mean, after all, the very script they use have Semitic influences. Then you go on to fantasy number two and say since Al-jahiz was born in Iraq there is no evidence of him being black, really? I guess you never his work like “Superiority Of The Blacks To The White” Do some real research
@JimmyJump007 You do some research, that doesnt even have anything to do with Whites, but Arabs. Still no evidence of Jahiz being a negroid. You have gone off in a knee-jerk wild tangent rant, because quite simply, you can not refute the video (the fact that Johannan was exposed as a liar) - so instead, resort to insulting people and go off about some Arabic & Arabic inspired individuals. Sub Saharan negroids used Arabic and Latin until 1949 when Solomana Kante concocted a script. 1949 lol
Oh, now we are changing it. First you said he wasn’t black, now you are saying there is no proof of him being a “negriod”. I guess reading his work made you reconsider, which is why you are equivocating. Unfortunately for you, many of his own work make it clear he was black. I’m insulting? I haven’t used a pejorative epithet , nor used any racial innuendo. The only person who is doing that is you.
@JimmyJump007 " First you said he wasn’t black, now you are saying there is no proof of him being a “negriod”. And this changes what? You have made the point that you have _no_ evidence whatsoever, that is why you continue to tip toe and tap dance around an issue that frankly, I really don't give a damn. If you actually read his work, then you would have issued a quote where he claims as such. Your rants have nothing in relation to the video presented, desperation of Jochannan being a liar.
Who the fuck put this bullshit out on the grandmaster...bitch r u mad b/c the truth has been exposed on u crakkas...greece got everything from Africa and those half ass scholars admitted it so fuck u crakka!!!
@mobfiggak1 Looks like your "grandmaster" moron has been served a bitch slap, lol at this mad rabid Afrocentric racist. Do they EVER refute anything? LMAO!
"Both clinal and discontinuous distributions exist, suggesting a complicated evolutionary history for humanity. This can be seen with the global frequency patterns of the type B blood allele (shown in the map below). Note that it is highest in Central Asia and lowest in the Americas and Australia. However, there are relatively high frequency pockets in Africa as well."
@GodGrandmaster This "antonin" character went nuts, used multiple accounts and spammed several of my videos with these same quotes; quotes that actually refute the agenda he is so desperately trying to force. The bulk of his "argument" can be seen here and was easily refuted.
"... In northern India, in Southern and Central China and in the neighboring Central Asiatic areas, we find the highest known frequencies of B. If we leave this center, the frequency of the B gene decreases almost everywhere ..." Blood Transfusion Division, United States Army Medical Research Laboratory (1971)
Fact is if the Negro was truly a real Egyptian then there would be Pyramids all over Sub-Sahara Africa instead of the mud-dung huts they've been living in since the dawn of time.. Negro's are properly illustrated on the walls of the Pyramids as slaves and used as the brutes in the Egyptian military, fact is the Sub-Saharan Negro didn't have the intelligence to write until until colonization occurred.
Ignorance,You don't even know there are more Pyramids in other parts of Africa than Egypt which you maliciously called "sub-sahara"Subsahara does not exit.It is Africa.The development of Kemet(Egypt)& the Pyramids came from the begining of the Nile up to the detal.I am not suprised,Western mis-education has misled millions."NSIBIDI"& "MENDE" script were developed thousands of years by Africans before Greeks & Rome.ISHANGO BONES are the oldest mathematics in the world.European/Arabs are CAVEMEN
@UncleJenkems What an incredibly stupid comment. Where were the Coliseums and Temples all over Europe during the Greco-Roman period? Europeans only achieved civilization in the extreme Southeastern edge of the continent after Africa had it in the Nile Valley for thousands of years. All other Europeans were savages living as wild men in the woods with no writing or anything close to civilization. You racists simply don't know anything about what it takes to build civilization.
@PharaohMentuhotep Negroes are STILL living in dung huts today and depend on White western nations for food, medical, etc. Obviously negroes have no clue how to build or maintain a civilization. Europe and N. Africa have distinct civilization, sub sahara - where your ancestors come from - has nothing. You are so unsatisfied with your own pathetic life and lack of history that you have to lie and rewrite ancient history.
@phoenician7 You are blinded by racism & ethnophobia.There is nothing you can do about it,everybody knows the truth.So please die in ignorace & foolishness.Imagine your high level of ignorance "WHITE NATION". You would have said "BLUE NATION".Half baked,semi-illitrae clowns on Youtube.
@itepu22 "You are blinded by racism & ethnophobia..."
This attitude better suits you, as lie after lie by Afrocentrics have been pointed out in these videos. You give back nothing but emotional speculation that has no foundation. You racist. LOL.
@GodGrandmaster Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized.
"... The maximum frequency of the B gene occurs in Central Asia and northern India. The B gene was probably absent from American Indians and Australian Aborigines before racial admixture occurred with the coming of the white man ..." Encyclopaedia Britannica (2002)
@antoninousa And from the website of Peter D'Adamo...
"The gene frequencies for B are highest in the area surrounded by the isogene for 25 out of a hundred. This area includes central Asia, Manchuria, Iran, and northern India. As you move away from this region in any direction, the gene frequency of blood group B falls off. The areas that are farthest from this region are lowest in B."
@PharaohMentuhotep "Europeans only achieved civilization in the extreme Southeastern edge of the continent after Africa had it in the Nile Valley for thousands of years. "
Actually, Europe's oldest civilization (dating 7,000 years ago) has been uncovered by archaeologists in the region of Germany, Austria, and Slovakia, and its architecture predates the Egyptian pyramids. So that little lie is out the window.
@UncleJenkems And as for artwork the Egyptians clearly depicted themselves as Black Africans. White people don't have brown skin and Afros. There were white slaves and images of Whites being slaughtered in Egypt on the temple walls as well. Check out this video to see how easily you claims are picked apart:
@PharaohMentuhotep They depicted themselves distinct from the negroids who were to the south of them. Negroids don't have straight hair or red skin. There were negroid slaves and images of negroids being slaughtered and beheaded on the walls of Abu Simbel and Karnak, etc. Goddesses such as Nut, Hathor, Nepthys, Isis are all depicted as White Caucasoids. Too bad for you.
@PharaohMentuhotep " And as for artwork the Egyptians clearly depicted themselves as Black Africans. White people don't have brown skin and Afros."
Brown skin in art, along with its symbolic nature, can at most be said to represent dark complexions. LOL. Many Caucasians sport curly hair and, when short, fros (not like the woolly fros of blacks). There is no study likening Egyptian hair to that of a negro's. & as a reminder, no claim by an ancient scholar that Egyptians looked like Ethiopians.
Too bad,I have debating with a complete ignoramus.Dr Cheikh Anta Diop is one of the greatest anthropologist of the 20th century.He was also a nuclear physicist worked with France Nuclear station.Dr Diop is best anthropologist of his time & till date his findings still hold & yet to be disproved.He was very honest in his approach to works compared to his inferiors in Arabia,Europe & America.Dr Diop was in the best position to do test but was turned down b'cos Govt.of Egypt was afriad of the truth
@tanhanka3000 LOL@ "Diop is best anthropologist" he failed the university exam what - THREE times? He had to go to a WHITE nation to LEARN and then you insult his superiors from who he sought education from? LOL! He was a liar and never conducted a melanin test and has been debunked by the 4 independent labs in France concerning Ramses a long time ago.
....the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.”
“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo...
Brace still has YET to be negated, as his stance is maintained in his 2005 paper "The Questionable Contribution of the Neolithic and Bronze Age to European Craniofacial Form." Egyptians and Northeast Africans clustering closely together, and then that cluster being closer to prehistoric eurasians/mediterraneans, modern mediterraneans, and modern europe...away from the Natufian and Niger-Congo people.
@GodGrandmaster Brace is not claiming that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians so his work does not support your conclusions. That paper supports my claims because it notes a continuity between prehistoric and recent Northeast Africans in which the Ancient Egyptians are groups with people such as Nubians and Somali. We know that West Africans have broader features than Northeast Africans. That's a non-issue. I'm claiming that they resembled tropical East Africans.
@MysticNinjaJay No, tropical east Africans resembled THEM. That paper does not support your claims, because it shows that East Africans and North Africans are overall closer to Eurasians in terms of craniofacial form. Like I said before...show me evidence of a non-admixed Sub-Saharan with a Caucasian crania. LOL!! Show me evidence of how the modern Egyptians are largely a population replacement. I'm STILL waiting.
@GodGrandmaster I didn't claim modern Egyptians were the product of population replacement but rather mixed with native peoples and gene flow from Europe and the Near East. This claim is supported by the historical evidence of consistent invasions and migration and the craniometric change in Egyptian crania beginning in the Late Period. It doesn't matter that Northeast African crania are closer to Eurasians than West Africans. Their traits are indigenous.
@MysticNinjaJay Sorry, the other study I meant to give you was "An Examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances" by K. Godde.
LOL. You can't even PROVE that they are largely a recent mixture of Near Easterners and Europeans. And no, consistent invasions by the Persians, Greeks, and Assyrians left little to no substantial genetic markers. Whether Egyptian crania is indigenous or not, the fact remains is that they are not the product of black people and racially akin to Eurasians.
@GodGrandmaster The modern Egyptian DNA supports this conclusion. We don't have enough ancient DNA studies to provide empirical support for this though. The fact remains that they physically resembled tropical Northeast Africans. Facial conformation from craniofacial analysis proves this. Archeologiy and Linguistics also points to a Southern origin for the culture. They are not racially akin to Eurasians in any sense since the race concept is invalid nor are their traits a product of gene flow.
@MysticNinjaJay No the fact remains that tropical Northeast Africans resembled THEM, and are an admixed population. With input from both Eurasia and the North Africans. You're trying to rewrite things backwards and nothing is on your side. And you say the concept of race is invalid, yet continue to show your race preference and bias! LOFL! Not racially akin to Eurasians, eh? Again, find me an unadmixed negro who sports Caucasian craniofacial form. Your STILL dancing around my demands of you!
@GodGrandmaster You're a hypocrite because I made demands of you first and you have not fulfilled them. This game of cat and mouse is getting old. You can either provide sources that are consistent with your claims or you can't. If you could you would have done it by now wouldn't you? You can't so you fail. I have no racial bias. I am an Egalitarian. My interest in this subject is to refute racist distortions of African history. Phoneciain7's interest is clearly to promote racism. As is yours.
@MysticNinjaJay My sources are being LISTED you dipshit. Once again, randomly playing blind. My conclusions are derived from all of these, and even YOURS. The fact that you are deliberately misinterpreting things and refusing to acknowledge the things I've demanded of you says enough about yourself, race-believer. LOFL.
@GodGrandmaster You haven't cited one, not even one source that maintains that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians which is your claim. My sources don't do this so you fail. Not one of the studies you cited do this so you double fail. All you have left is childish insults and false accusations.
@MysticNinjaJay LOFL. And what does this say about your knowledge of populations. If you don't understand Caucasian North African, West Eurasian genetics, and Sub Saharan genetics, and then the phenotypes associated with these. Then you should not be attempting this debate...as you've already made yourself look like the dumbass that you are.
@GodGrandmaster Childish insults and acting as if my probing you to back up your claims is an expression of ignorance on my part only makes you look stupid. You've lost this debate. It seems like you have an emotional need to keep replying to re-enforce your views which is why you resort to hostility in frustration. If you spend more time looking for credible sources rather than acting like a child on the internet you might be able to present a meaningful argument.
@MysticNinjaJay The problem is Jay, I've already backed up my claim. Your ignorance as to what constitutes West Eurasian and North African phenotype, given that you acknowledged genotype dictates phenotype only further makes you look like the loser in denial that you are. The credible sources you ask for, are in front of your face. Your problem is that you don't want to acknowledge that you don't know what you're talking about. Now it's your turn to honor my demands.
@GodGrandmaster You haven't backed up any claims. Cite an authoritative source that maintains that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians and proves it empirically. This is my last time asking you to do this. I fully expect you to deny the request and reply with more childish insults but I'm only giving you one last chance. Do it or you fail.
@MysticNinjaJay My proposition does not fail. By default, you admit your belief in race as YOU said yourself that genotype dictates phenotype. And ALSO, you can not find me one unadmixed Sub-Saharan African who sports a Caucasian craniofacial structure with their sub-saharan specific genes. I once again, suggest you to study craniofacial anthropometry, and compare the type to Egyptians and their genetic correspondences.
@GodGrandmaster And you haven't cited a single study that refutes this claim you are also deliberately dodging the request for a source of your own which is why you lost this debate.
S.O.Y. Keita in "Studies and Comments in Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships"
Egyptians groups show *less overall affinity* to Palestinian and Byzantine remains than to Africans (Kerma included). Does this say they showed NO affinity to the Palestinians, the way Brace's said NO affinity to Sub-Saharan Africans?? No. And this all comes back to similar adaptation and gene flow, between Egyptians and Northeast Africans, as mentioned by Keita.
@GodGrandmaster If you can show me a screenshot from that book then I will take a look at it. As for Keita there is simply nothing you can say that would indicate that Keita's work is inconsistent with my interpretation. He told me point blank that his work indicates that the Ancient Egyptians physically resembled groups such as Somali, Nilotic and Horn Africans. The were descended from those populations. That is what the Anthropological research indicates. Now where is your source?
@MysticNinjaJay Screenshot? Just look the title up along with "body proportions in early modern humans and neanderthals" for the comparison chart...you'll find it on Google books. No, your fantasy is deluding you from understanding correctly. Somalis and Horners are more like the Egyptians due to gene flow and similar adaptation. E-V12 and E-V22 were carried from North Africa (Egypt) south after the desertification of the Sahara. Therefore, they have affinities to the Egyptians.
@GodGrandmaster Show me even a single study that maintains that Horn Africans looked like Egyptians because of gene flow. This claim has been debunked based on evolutionary principles and it has no archeological support.
@MysticNinjaJay LMAO. I just gave you the study from KEITA you douchebag. LOL, you're just as moronic as other Afrocentrics. Mr. Race-bias. And no, that claim has never been "debunked." I'm still waiting on your disproof of Lucotte's confirmation of archaic population divergence in East Africa...I'm waiting on you to disprove the chart that says the modern Egyptians have tropical limbs, and I'm waiting on you to give me evidence of population replacement in Egypt. Come on, race-biased loser.
@GodGrandmaster Your childish insults are a distraction from the fact that you have no sources of your own to counter mine. Go find something else to do. Race obsession is not healthy. You've lost this debate. It does no good to further humiliate yourself by acting like a 10 year old.
@MysticNinjaJay And you can't disprove the fact that Horn Africans have genetic affinities to North Africans due to the direction of gene flow...and similar adaptation, as said by Godde (2009). Still waiting on your *refute* to archaic population divergence, modern Egyptian limb proportions, modern Egyptian African DNA, and evidence of more than 10% Eurasian input since Late Dynastic times. :Yawn: You're boring me.
@GodGrandmaster Where is your source for 10% Eurasian input during Dynastic times? Tishkoff confirmed that there was barely any trace of Eurasian derived lineages in Ethiopians at all and maintains that admixture models are unlikely given that non-African populations are a subset of African populations. As it is none of those DNA studies you cited directly relate their work to face form. That is a conclusion you and other racialists are trying to draw from the studies.
@MysticNinjaJay LOL. I'm asking YOU to show me any significant Eurasian admixture at all. Which you've already demonstrated to me, that you can't." 'Non-African' populations are a subset of African populations"
Yeah, but the population they are a subset of wasn't like the ancestral population of the negroes. You would know this if you wouldn't dance around the archaic population divergence I asked you to acknowledge.
@GodGrandmaster Define Negro. Cite an authoritative source that has the same definition and establishes that "Negroes" descend from an ancestral population. What is the origin of these Negroes? When did they first emerge in the archeological record and where? If you fail to do this then you have no argument.
@MysticNinjaJay LOFL @ your lack of information, and playing blind to the sources I cite. So you resort to not knowing what a Negro is, eh? I've already told you to look up craniofacial anthropometry, and I suggest that you look into Sub-Saharan specific genetics. I'm not about to do YOUR homework and type all of that. If you are uncertain of what a Negro is, and can't debate because you don't (a debate requires two or more opposing parties), then you should not even be attempting it.
@GodGrandmaster I maintain that terms such as Negroid and Caucasoid are invalid. I've cited studies outlining why. It's up to you to define your terms and cite authoritative sources proving them to be valid.
@MysticNinjaJay What you consider invalid is meaningless to me as your opinion only represents one side of the debate. The challenge is still there to find me an unadmixed Sub-Saharan with Caucasoid craniofacial form.
@GodGrandmaster I've provided authoritative sources outlining the definition of race and showing empirically that the concept is not applicable to human populations or biological variation. You've provided nothing in support of your claims. How long do you want to beat a dead horse? I recommend finding other things to do. I'm about to go to the gym and lift in a few minutes.
@GodGrandmaster Fail. You've lost the debate. I'm going to the gym now and no I won't be thinking about idiots on the internet who don't know how to debate. This will be my last reply to you or Phonecian7 since both of you have utterly failed to provide authoritative sources exposing yourselves as racist propagandists.
@MysticNinjaJay My authoritative sources were listed as WELL as your OWN sources, of which you erroneously misinterpreted. The lack of terms such as Caucasian and Negro are all a part of trying to create a biological egalitarianism. The fact that you know what West Eurasians look like, know what modern North Africans look like, know where East African genetic and physical structure comes from, and then your lack of answers to my demands just proves as I've said before, you're a loser in denial.
@GodGrandmaster Biological Egalitarianism? LOL! You have no idea what you're talking about. That's a word that racists use for opponents of Scientific Racism. Why didn't you just provide a source when Ninja requested it of you? It's pretty obvious that you lost that debate. The Ancient Egyptians looked like ethnic groups within the Horn of Africa. All you racists can do is try to claim East Africans are mixed and try to attribute their features to Caucasians invoking the Hamitic Hypothesis.
@PharaohMentuhotep "Why didn't you just provide a source when Ninja requested it of you"
Why do you parrot questions that have already been asked by and addressed to your butt buddy, "PharaohMentuhotep?" (LOL @ that s/n. You WISH your people had a relation). As far as your comparison of Egyptian phenotype to Horn Africans, that's just pure emotional speculation. The fact that East Africans are a mix of SubSaharan, North African, and West Eurasian shoots down any case you thought you had.
@GodGrandmaster Brace (1993) themselves say that Horn African facial features and not the product of admixture with Wandering Caucasoids (evolutionary anthropology debunks this outdated idea) and I see that earlier you tried to use this study as a source even though the article is clearly titled Clines and Clusters vs. "Race". Let me guess Brace is just trying to create a Biological Egalitarianism right? Keita's research shows that Ancient Egyptian crania overlap with Horn Africans.
@PharaohMentuhotep "Brace (1993) themselves say that Horn African facial features..."
No, evolution is only one side of it. The fact that you can't find me any unadmixed Sub-Saharans that display this same sort of *Caucasoid-evolution* is a failure for your theory. The title of Brace's article is irrelevant as the race of the Egyptians is implied in their clustering with West Eurasians and North Africans and away from the Sub Saharans....
@GodGrandmaster Even Brace's research in a more recent study indicates this. So where are the counter studies that refute Keita and Brace's contentions? Provide a study that says that East African craniofacial structure can be attributed to outside influences. Narrow noses and faces in East Africa are a product of adaptation to a hot-dry climate not admixture with hypothetical Wandering Caucasoids. The racist obsession with trying to make East Africans mixed is very funny.
@PharaohMentuhotep ...you can not find me any craniofacial dendrogram in which unadmixed Sub Saharan blacks have craniofacial tendencies toward Caucasians. Nor can you find a craniofacial dendrogram that clusters Egyptians with unadmixed Sub Saharans. The fact that East Africans are genetically influenced by North African and Near Eastern genetics does not lend any credibility to your theory. Gene flow and similar adaption are suggested similarities for Egyptians and Nubians per K. Godde.
@GodGrandmaster "...terms such as "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" create more problems than they solve. Those very terms reflect a mix of narrow regional, specific ethnic, and descriptive physical components with an assumption that such separate dimensions have some kind of common tie. Biologically, such terms are worse than useless." - C Loring Brace
These are Brace's exact words. So isn't it rather disingenuous of you to cite him as a source for the Ancient Egyptians being Caucasian?
"Major continental terms are just fine, and sub-regional refinements such as Western European, Eastern African, Southeast Asian, and so forth carry no unintentional baggage."
Yet isn't it funny he DOESN'T group the Egyptians with Sub-Saharan Africans? Rather with other North Africans and West Eurasians. Show me an example of an unadmixed SubSaharan with Caucasian crania, or a European with Mongoloid crania, & show me its useless.
@GodGrandmaster There's simply nothing Caucasian about the Ancient Egyptians. Their ancestors came to the Nile Valley from Sub-Saharan East Africa not Europe or Asia. Africa is very genetically diverse but the point is that the Ancient Egyptians were a native African people. They were what most in the Western world today call Black and this fact upsets racists because they want to view Black people as inferior and incapable of civilization. That's what it's all about for you guys.
@PharaohMentuhotep "There's simply nothing Caucasian about the Ancient Egyptians...."
All Eurasians and North Africans came from an archaic East African population. The difference between Egyptians/North Africans and Eurasians is that they didn't leave North Africa to come back, but rather, stayed and evolved there. Please, refute the study already mentioned numerous times by Labuda and Howell on archaic population divergence (also published in NY Times).
@GodGrandmaster Coalescence times19, 20 calculated from various genes suggest that the differentiation of modern humans began in Africa in populations whose morphological traits are unknown; it cannot be assumed from an evolutionary perspective that the traits used to define 'races' emerged simultaneously with this divergence15. There was no demonstrable 'racial' divergence. (Conceptualizing Human Variation 2004).
@MysticNinjaJay Not as we know it today, dumbass. Modern races did not exist at the point. The point IS, there was differentiation between the two populations.
"We propose that African chromosomes descend from at least two lineages that have been evolving separately for a period of time. One of them underwent range expansion colonizing different continents, including Africa, ....
LOL @ him saying I pasted quotes from studies out of context. Actually, they were posted exactly as they are put IN the studies. That's where Google comes in, bitch.
First,the term "sub-sahara" is used by European & Arabs to create an imaginary division in Africa.There were several Africa tribes of Cameroun & nigeria that invented written script like "NSIBIDI SCRIPT"5000(BCE),the Mende ppl invented "KIKAKUI" SCRIPT 170(BCE) ect.In science Africans excluding African America has made serious impact. A Nigeria Army Oviemo Ovadje invented EAT-SET blood transfusion device,Philip Emeagwali increased the speed of computer 3.1 billion pe/sec
Emeagwali made the “world’s fastest computation” in 1989
Each year since 1987, the judges for the annual Gordon Bell competition have given out multiple prizes for supercomputing applications, usually including one for performance (fastest speed), and one for price/performance (best speed/cost ratio; specifically, “price-performance ratio as measured in megaflop/s per dollar on a genuine application”).
oh dear... a coon that thinks he built the world.
well, as long as it makes him feel good.
MrLeadraft 3 weeks ago
Expose him & debate him on national TV; exposing mean face to face challenge not your racist opinion on YouTube, you sure do have heavy hate for a Black race. You are not proving nothing but, chopping & mixed word to fit your agenda to make you look smart but, in reality you are one the dumbest, mentally handicap person on YouTube. All African-American & Black African have his books; there nothing you can do about, your opinion & video is going to change our mind.
NAGANEGUS 3 weeks ago
@NAGANEGUS LOL@ your racist hatred. Save your feeble attempts to deny the evidence. You're an outright liar … ranting on senselessly, obsessed with redeeming the image of your "black race".. I deal in science on this site not bullshit.
phoenician7 3 weeks ago
@NAGANEGUS Get a life! We are all laughing at you now.
paulypaulification 4 days ago
Watch "Return to Glory" in youtube and research the first 18 Dynastic periods of Egypt, particularly the 18th. Do some research on the invasions of Egypt. Why is there a distinction between the "Ancient Egyptians" (Africans) and "Egyptians"? The majority of the people you see in Egypt today are the sons and daughters of the last invaders. You can't discredit someones lifetime of research because of one sentence. Read the writings of "The Iliad" & "The Odyssey". And whats a negroid?
squabby91 1 month ago
@squabby91 1. Freeman has been debunked.
2. The Egyptians never identified themselves as nor depicted themselves as Nubians.
3. The ancients are descendents of the moderns (Secrets Of The Pharaohs” Episode 2 “Lost City Of The Pyramids minute 42; Dr. Moamena Kamel - Immunologist, Cairo University) - - and there are loads of dna analysis backing this statement.
4. The Greeks made distinction between "Agyptos" and "Aethiops"
5. Go look in a mirror.
phoenician7 1 month ago
@phoenician7 Obviously, within that 44 minutes that you replied to my last post, there is no way you checked the references I gave you. I won't waste anymore of my time....
squabby91 1 month ago
@squabby91 LOL! You don't think other negrocentrics haven't argued the exact same thing with me before? You don't think I've debated and refuted everything you've mentioned? What this is, is a cheap way to bow out and not answer because you have no response. Thanks for admitting as much.
What did the Egyptians say? watch?v=4g_2awQwX1w&feature=channel_video_title
I answer Joel Freeman: /watch?v=gPXCLhLebL8&feature=relmfu
/watch?v=PVWgaf6oS30&feature=relmfu
phoenician7 1 month ago
@phonyician7 (1) The tomb of Ramesses III (1200 BC) shows you a painting with four people labeled A,B,C,D. Pic A - Ancient Egyptian, Pic B - Indo European, Pic C - Nubian, Pic D - Semite. Pics A and C are physically indistiguishable. Ancient egyptians viewed themselves as black with the rest of Africa! (2)Your bible - Genesis sons of Ham=Kam=BLACK, Mizraim=Egypt, Cush=Ethiopia, Canaan=Palestine, Phut=Lybia. I've looked in the mirror and the statues and drawings of the ancients look just like me!
mysticman332 1 month ago
@mysticman332 Go buy some glasses, delusional one, they look more like me. Now you run along and hold that (A) and (C) image up to actual Egyptian images such as Ramses II or Seti I. Looks nothing like them and you know it.
Desperate.
phoenician7 1 month ago
To discredit what not only Dr. Ben has says, but other scholars (European and others) too have researched, will require more information than you have you here. Mary Lefkowitz had not visited any tomb or temple at the time "Not Out of Africa" was written. Attempting to discredit Dr. Ben isn't going to change the records in the Nile. You have conveniently not shown any statues of indigenous African Pharaohs, whom are often not mentioned and are passed over anyhow. Your actions, typically biased.
squabby91 2 months ago
@squabby91 Jochannan never excavated a single artifact - in Egypt or anywhere else. Everything in this video has been overwhelmingly substantiated with supporting references; he has been exposed as pushing lies by the British Museum - the papyrus of Hunefer makes no claims that Jochannan pushes. He expressed his desire to kill White people, don' tell me he wasn't a biased racist and you can't explain why negroids don't resemble the Egyptians.
phoenician7 2 months ago
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Hey check this out. The University of Cambridge recently dedicated scholarly backing of an African-centered Egypt & Nubia. They have a virtual museum where you can take a virtual tour and everything. Check it out. Just google "Fitzwilliam Museum Virtual Kemet". To all the unbelievers out there who can't accept the scientifically accepted facts about the Black African origins of Egypt AND Nubia, I wish you much luck challenging the #1 ranked University in the World, The University of Cambridge.
puffy230 3 months ago
I'll just say, to use the sources, that Dr. Ben speaks against, doesn't make your claims credible. I'm sure that there are flaws in what ANY MAN says. But the system is alot larger than Dr. Ben and what he has to say. He's been to that places that he speaks of, have you? or did you just google it?
highbrid2008 3 months ago
Oh my!
Negroids will be Negroids
TheTruthAlwaysHurts1 4 months ago
That Seti sure is one dumbed down dude. A creation of his own device. He's not only the poster child for 'waycism', but he's also symbolic of the dumbed-down generation, yet trying to pass as some scholar..oh what a joke. And to top it off, the sound of his voice is so annoying, ghettoish, trashy, loud and rude.. low class. Ben, Clarke, Diop, Rashidi, Jeffries and a whole slew of these tards and their fantasies...This is a great video btw.
blokcom 4 months ago
@infox1000 The Sahara consumes 1/3 of the African continent. Algeria, Chad, Egypt, Eritrea, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Sudan, Tunisia, Western Sahara. None of those are Sub Saharan nations. wiki/Sahara Ge'ez was introduced by Arabians, therefore not a "Sub Saharan African writing system" as you falsely claim and Meroitic in Sudan, that's not Sub Sahara at all - and very few at that used it. So you haven't come up with any Sub Saharan scripts but an attempt to fabricate history.
phoenician7 6 months ago
@infox1000 Refer to a map. Sub literally means _below_. Sub Sahara means *below* the Sahara. It does not refer to nations east of it, or to the west of it or those in it.
watch?v=d8aH53EybzM&feature=channel_video_title
phoenician7 6 months ago
@infox1000 All of those are fairly recent. Ge'ez and Meroitic were influenced by the outside world, further they're not Sub Saharan, but East African.
phoenician7 6 months ago
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termanology85 4 months ago
@phoenician7..Outside did not teach Africa nothing; you are KKK white man on YouTube attacking Black teachers & Black students, due to the heavy hate that you carry in your heart for Black race.
NAGANEGUS 3 weeks ago
@infox1000 Mali was infuenced by Arabic and Latin scripts, nor is Mali located in Sub Saharan Africa.
phoenician7 6 months ago
Yosef Ben-Jochannan is a vile creature
ASuperEgyptian 6 months ago
@ASuperEgyptian He appears to suffer from some sort of mental issues.
phoenician7 6 months ago
fuck you can barley understand what the guy at the beginning of the video was saying
akkadianarab 6 months ago
@akkadianarab I know... he really comes of as mentally retarded... this is their "leader". lol...
phoenician7 6 months ago
@phoenician7 is this guy "kamugisha" haha A mexican who just got off the boat probably speaks better english than this joke
akkadianarab 6 months ago
@Big0v0Balls Isn't that the truth!
phoenician7 7 months ago
5:25 Ζεὺς γὰρ ἐς Ὠκεανὸν μετ᾿ ἀμύμονας Αἰθιοπῆας
χθιζὸς ἔϐη κατὰ δαῖτα, θεοὶ δ᾿ ἅμα πάντες ἕποντο·
δωδεκάτῃ δέ τοι αὖτις ἐλεύσεται Οὔλυμπον δέ,
(Ιλιάδα Α:422-425)
Homer's Iliad. This part says that Zevs and the other gods WENT TO Ethiopia after being called by it's people and will be back to Olympus 12 days later.
joakeimmcgrath 8 months ago
@joakeimmcgrath "Zeus andt he other gods" are not human, it's mythological. Greeks were in control of Ethiopia during this time frame.
phoenician7 8 months ago
@phoenician7 Did i say they were? I was correcting that roody-poo in your video on his attempt to distort the real text.
Homer's works and other ancient scribings mention Zevs and others going to all sorts of places.Taurida (Crimea).
Technically, not Greeks. Hittites. Trojans were hellenized Hittites of Anatolia and Ethiopia was a Trojan domain.Iliad mentions king Memnon of Ethiopia who was a nephew of king Priamos.He was killed by Achilles.
joakeimmcgrath 8 months ago
Thumps up Phoenician7!!! Nice background check on Pseudo-Ben
rb7magnetico 10 months ago
Theres no writings of Europeons B4 10 century BC so Dr.Ben was Right. There were Absolutely No Caucasians in the Nile Valley. Caucasians never founded a Civilization in Europe that predates Egypt to show a connection between the two lands.
garychldress74 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Egyptians pretty much look as they do now, Not like negroids from west sub saharan Africa.
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@snowmchristv wrong those are Arabs that came into Egypt in the 7th century AD . Rememder Egyptians despised the Asians Hebrews/Arabs= Semites= desert tribes. the Ancient Greeks & Romans say different also ppl who saw the Sphinx B4 it was destroyed = Count Constantine Devolney said the Sphinx is typically Negriod in all its features. don't have to make nothin up. thats a myth that Blacks only stayed south of the sahara.. Egyptians were indigenous Africans caucasians were not.
garychldress74 10 months ago
@garychldress74 They still looked pretty much like the current Egyptians, you speak of the sphinx as typically negroid, well its not even intact, so its not a good way to judge. I'll tell you what is negroid is these images at 1:52 in this video.....watch?v=olO17P-OYsI&feature=channel_video_title......Now those are without a doubt Negroid. which is not how the Egyptians looked. You are from west sub saharan africa my friend
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@snowmchristv U failed to realize there were no border lines in Africa until the Berlin Conference. The Egyptians never identified with Asians or their Cultures. The Pharaohs wore leopard skins just like other Africans. Asian mostly wore sack cloths. Europeans had nothing to do with Egyptian anything. When Egypt fell they migrated back to the interior of Africa that also means they went west as well. West Africans are Negriod ppl so is African Americans. they didn't flee to Asia or Europe.
garychldress74 10 months ago
@garychldress74 If they were negroids they would have depicted themselves as negroids. The current Egyptians look the closest to Ancient Egpytians,
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@snowmchristv The problem is in your Eurocentric schools you been taught that all Negros are Dark & have broad features. Theres are a lot of Egyptians with broad features such as King Narmer,Zoser ,Akhenaten, Mentuhotep, Senwosret ,Queen Tiye, Amenhotep lll & all of the 25th dynasty. Blacks come in many shades, shapes & also have different features without any race mixure of other races. Even in the Bible Ham is Ancestor of the Negros & Egyptians The land of Ham(EGYPT).
garychldress74 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Can you provide a prior use of the scepter or gold used in burial practices from your African sources? In fact was there ever a scepter actually used prior to the rise of Egypt's first dynasties in the sub-saharan? How about gold? What were the burial practices of sub-saharans before the rise of Egypt?
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Where can we find the crook and the flail?
Tick tock.....
How about the use of lapis lazuli or mudbrick? Cylinder seals or clay tokens?
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 What were the burial styles of the sub-saharans before the dawning of Egypt's first dynasties? Can you provide us with any written evidence from sub-saharans? Did they have a written language?
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Here's another for you....how about the use of copper or bronze. Did the sub-saharans have evidence of copper or bronze before the M.E or North Africa?
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Can you show us any pottery styles at least? You aint got nothing and you never will.
Buh bye, racist.
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 LOL no its you thinking that . Thats why you brought up the sphinx looking negroid. The fact is that your from the school off afrocentrics and think current egyptian cant have negroid features. sorry buddy they look like current egyptians
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@snowmchristv "of" not "off" dumbass, you do have modern Egyptians with so called "Negroid" features,
CAN ALL OF THE YOUTUBE SCHOLARS STOP TRYING TO APPEAR SO BRILLIANT, NONE OF YOUR VIDEOS HAVE MORE THAN 2000 VIEWS, BLACK OR WHITE. IT'S A SHAME THAT YOU TELL YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN PRETEND TO BE SMARTER THAN ACTUAL MEN THAT WERE EDUCATED, IT DISGUSTS ME
AfroKan7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 " no border lines in Africa " Yet earlier you stated: "where Egypt set up there Borders to keep the Asians out."
LMAO which ever way the wind blows, eh liar?
"Egyptians never identified with Asians"
They never identified with negroids, hell they didn't even look like them and its amazing that not one single Egyptian artifact can be located in Sub Sahara.
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 MYTH?
"The interpolation analyses and complete sequencing of present mtDNA sub-Saharan lineages observed in North Africa support the genetic impact of RECENT trans-Saharan migrations, namely the slave trade initiated by the Arab conquest of North Africa in the SEVENTH CENTURY. SUB SAHARAN PEOPLE DID NOT LEAVE TRACES IN THE NORTH AFRICAN MATERNAL GENE POOL FOR THE TIME OF ITS SETTLEMENT, SOME 40,000 YEARS AGO." (Harich et al, 2010)
phoenician7 10 months ago
@phoenician7 Dr. Ben was a professor at Cornell-
Your a Youtube scholar-
do you really think that you even compare to him intellectually?
AfroKan7 10 months ago 2
@AfroKan7 Jochannan was a liar as evidenced by the letter written by the British Museum and the fact that he did not attend college in Spain since it was bombed. Jochannan desired the death of White people, he was a liar and never conducted an excavation in Egypt or handled ancient human remains.
As someone that has handled ancient artifacts and ancient human remains, and has worked on various excavations, I am above and beyond the racist.
phoenician7 10 months ago
@phoenician7 lemme guess, Ivan Van Sertima and Chiekh Anta Diop are also frauds, right??
In a couple years you'll probably say that Dr. King and Obama never went to college too
AfroKan7 10 months ago
@AfroKan7 Since your into pointing out typos, Chiekh Anta Diop like you have it, is actually spelled Cheikh Anta Diop. These scholars like Ivan Van Sertima think the olmecs were negroids also, LOL. Fuck these idiots
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@garychldress74 "There were Absolutely No Caucasians in the Nile Valley."
COME AGAIN?
“We examined radiographs of 12 Egyptian royal mummies obtained by two of the authors (W.R. and J.E.H.) and never before published. These people were Caucasian." (” 1988 Braunstein, M.D. et al)
Göbekli Tepe 9,000BC, Çatalhöyük 7,400BC, Çayönü 7,400BC , Abu Hureyra, etc all these predate Egypt, not one single negroid civ that old.
phoenician7 10 months ago
@garychldress74 Google Vinca script, moron, all negroid script is based on Arabic and Latin. Ben was a lying racist - who advocated the murder of Whites so of course you support someone like that, racist.
Göbekli Tepe 9,000BC, Çatalhöyük 7,400BC, Çayönü 7,400BC , Abu Hureyra, etc all those predate Egypt. I suggest you google Greek pyramid, that too predates Egypts oldest.
phoenician7 10 months ago
@phoenician7 Nsibidi isnt, and Meriotic script is older than Arabic.
AfroKan7 10 months ago
@ArabianLady80 Vinca, Youra, Dispilio, Ogham, Minoan, Linear A, B, Greek all that predates "semetic" - in fact "semetic" was created by proto European Caucasoids.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@ArabianLady80 Semites are Caucasoids, not negroids. Proto Europeans originated in these ancient areas, it was proto European language. Further you, (who is most likely Jimmy or his puppet) again, provide no evidence to support your claims. Sub Saharans never created an alphabet because they never created writing. Primitive Khoisan,being one of the oldest, couldn't get beyond click noises despite having all the time in the world to develope a language/writing.Arabs owe a lot to Europe.
phoenician7 11 months ago
Arabic was spread through trade and it gave the common person access to writing. Not to mention, Arabic was the language of learning at that time just like Latin was the language of learning in Europe. You whats funny, you scream that Africans never invented a written language, which is false. But you know, Africans not only invented their own written language but their own alphabet whereas Europeans never invented their own alphabet.
JimmyJump0007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 "Europeans never invented their own alphabet. " VS " "Latin was the language of learning in Europe." You expose yourself as a lying hypocrite. Latin isn't European? (Vinca, Youra, Dispilio, Ogham, Minoan, Linear A, B, Greek, etc) You have been made to look the fool as is demonstrated in your futile attempts. Latin and Arabic form the backbone for modern negroid scripts.
watch?v=d8aH53EybzM
phoenician7 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 The lacking of intelligence in blacks is why they have never really moved past a primitive state. From modern Africa to Haiti, Detroit, and Rio, blacks live an unrefined lifestyle. There have been no major black scientists, literary figures, painters, engineers, architects, inventors, philosophers, explorers... the list goes on. The simple fact is that blacks are not, nor have ever been, an advanced people. Did they invent the wheel? No. Case in point.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7
That's not true some of my best literary figures have been Black like Wole Soyinka, Derek Walcott, and Toni Morrision. They are all brilliant. In my undergraduate studies, I learned about Sir W. Lewis Arthur, who is arguably one of the greatest economist of the 20th century and he is black.
ArabianLady80 11 months ago
@ArabianLady80 The names you listed are RECENT and have been under the influence of Western civilization -likely possessing some Caucasoid ancestry, Walcott certainly shows it. Try going back 2-3000 years.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7 Soyinka is Yoruba (Nigerian). I don't know about Morrison or Walcott (I think they are Black-American) so they could have caucasian genetic influence..but Soyinka is straight Niger-Congolese/Bantu
termanology85 4 months ago
Although, I could name countless sources and books but you will only try to dismiss or undermine them. I suspect after you reading this comment you may even cowardly block me again. You got the evidence wrong, you have no truth knowledge about Africa. Your whole video is ridiculous.
JimmyJump0007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 You are ridiculous and frustrated by your desperation. You are not in need of a debate but an education until you prove you are intelligent enough to come up with an acceptable argument from here on out I will continue to block you.
I provided a letter from the British museum - which coincidently you deliberately ignored, as it revealed facts that don't jive with your racist ideology, thereby exposing Jochannan as a liar. You have no truth or knowledge about anything.
phoenician7 11 months ago
That was quite scandalous of you to block me and still reply to my comments. I mean if you knew you were going to block me, why would you still reply to my comments? That is such a coward move and you pretty much revealed what kind of person you are. I disputed many of your fraudulent claims with ease. However, all you manage to do is try to cast doubt on what I say but really you haven’t disputed anything.
JimmyJump0007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 I'm not interested in your racist whining prattle. The reality is you are angered by the fact that you are incapable of presenting _any_ evidence to support your "claims". Until you present some proof you don't even have an argument, which is exactly why I blocked you,- you don't even have an argument, everyone watching in the gallery can see this.
BLOCKED.
phoenician7 11 months ago
LOL jumping jimmy can't refute the video so he resorts to non-issues. You can just see the hate and jealousy boiling in each of this posts. The fact is Sub Saharan negroids (jimmy's ancestors) had no written language until 1949 - and no civilization for that matter until Arabs and Europeans came along; and most that haven't been introduced to Arab/European advancement still continue to live as primitive hunter-gatherers stuck in the Stone Age. Don't be jealous, jimmy. LMAO!
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7
You’re babbling, you mentioned in your video that black people never produced a book. I disputed that by informing you of blacks who wrote many books. In your desperate and feeble attempt to counter the fact that blacks wrote many books, you argued well they wrote in Arabic and it was thousands before the Greeks therefore its irrelevant. Any fair minded person reading can see you’re bias.
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 You have yet to "prove" that either of those individuals mentioned were "black". If blacks wrote "many" books then certainly you would have provided substantiated evidence by now, not something that is extremely questionable. Anyone reading this, can certainly see your bias and lack of supporting evidence. Greek was spoken/written in Africa ~500BC long before Arabic ~700AD.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7 Wow that's pretty shameful. For someone who purports to be knowledgeable about historical information, you are by far one of the most ignorant. Both men were black but you choose to ignore the facts for personal prejudices. I noticed that you haven’t challenged anything just trying to cast doubt, which is typical of people who can’t disprove the facts. Anyone reading can easily check what I stated.
JimmyJump0007 11 months ago
@phoenician7
“The fact is Sub Saharan negroids (jimmy's ancestors) had no written language until 1949”
I hate to bust your bubble but I’m not black…Anyways, another falsehood the ancient manding script predates the advent of Arabic by thousands of years. In fact, the proto-mande script, which the manding script derived from, was invented sometime before 4,000 B.C. I guess you also think blacks never domesticate any animals too?
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 Then you certainly have issues, especially swallowing the garbage that Clyde Winters shovels about Manding. Strange how neither of the individuals you mentioned even wrote in Mande, again you present unsubstantiated assumptions without any supporting evidence. No quote, no author, nothing. Just mealy mouth nonsense based on a racist gutter ideology, bent on pushing an agenda, and we all see thru it.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7
You are confusing things I was referring to F.R Wuslin work on the ancient mandeing script. After all, the earliest know mande inscriptions were dated about 3,000 B.C by Wuslin, in his book “the prehistoric archeology of northwest Africa”. What’s strange about it? Writing was only available for the elites, which is why few people wrote in it. I mean the same thing happened in Europe. Most of Europe was not literate, writing was only for the elites.
JimmyJump0007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 LOL - written in 1941. __"Northwest Africa"__ (which was Caucasoid: Harich et al, 2010) - not __Sub Saharan Africa__. No negroid classical writers, philosophers, poets, mathematicians. Sub Saharans _never_ had a written langage until Arab and Whites influenced and introduced it to them. You resort to desperate attempts to try and fabricate a connection to civilization since you are so ashamed of your own, nonexistent, heritage.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@JimmyJump0007 No negroid African society had a written language or a calendar. None used the wheel or practiced joinery or built multi-story buildings. Iron smelting was common but no negroids built what could be called a mechanical device, even one so simple as a hinge. Negroids apparently tamed no animals themselves but received already-domesticated dogs and cattle from north of the Sahara. None used any beast of burden, despite the presence of large mammals that could have been tamed.
phoenician7 11 months ago
Now returning to the issues you raised in your video. You and I know, well I hope you know, that there is no general consensus about this so-called old European script. Some scholars believe this so called script is simply artwork. Not to mention there are no general accepted translations, so don’t be so presumptions and claim it’s a written language. As I said before, do some real research instead of reading Wikipedia because confirmation bias will blind you.
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 "no general consensus" go ahead and provide the "evidence" for this and the names of these who claim such. Again, you won't because you cant. It is the oldest written script, just because it isn't deciphered, doesn't mean it isnt - neither is short-lived Meroitic. It has form and meaning unlike the teeth-marked Ishango bone. Wikipedia, so tha'ts where you obtain your mis-information. Well it figures.
phoenician7 11 months ago
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JimmyJump007 11 months ago
This video is worthless and appalling. I don't even know where to start. First of all, the Vinca script is debatable. Linguists are not even sure it shows a true written language. You erroneously claimed that there is not a single book written by a Black. I guess you never heard of Ahmed Baba and Al-Jahiz. I'm even more shocked that you really think that statement is not papyrus of Hunefer.
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 Your argument is worthless and appalling. Jochannan has been exposed as a liar at best you concoct insults and lies. Vinca is one of the oldest scripts; "debatable"? According to who? Based on what?
Ahmad Baba al-Massufi al-Tinbukti was Arabic influenced (hence his name) and wrote in Arabic script. This is thousands of years after Vinca, even after Greek for that matter. Al Jahiz was born in Basra, Iraq no evidence of him being "black". Try again.
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7
That was a pretty nice fairy tale story. You know if we use your logic I could make a strong case to dismiss all European classical scholars work, even to the present. I mean, after all, the very script they use have Semitic influences. Then you go on to fantasy number two and say since Al-jahiz was born in Iraq there is no evidence of him being black, really? I guess you never his work like “Superiority Of The Blacks To The White” Do some real research
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 You do some research, that doesnt even have anything to do with Whites, but Arabs. Still no evidence of Jahiz being a negroid. You have gone off in a knee-jerk wild tangent rant, because quite simply, you can not refute the video (the fact that Johannan was exposed as a liar) - so instead, resort to insulting people and go off about some Arabic & Arabic inspired individuals. Sub Saharan negroids used Arabic and Latin until 1949 when Solomana Kante concocted a script. 1949 lol
phoenician7 11 months ago
@phoenician7
Oh, now we are changing it. First you said he wasn’t black, now you are saying there is no proof of him being a “negriod”. I guess reading his work made you reconsider, which is why you are equivocating. Unfortunately for you, many of his own work make it clear he was black. I’m insulting? I haven’t used a pejorative epithet , nor used any racial innuendo. The only person who is doing that is you.
JimmyJump007 11 months ago
@JimmyJump007 " First you said he wasn’t black, now you are saying there is no proof of him being a “negriod”. And this changes what? You have made the point that you have _no_ evidence whatsoever, that is why you continue to tip toe and tap dance around an issue that frankly, I really don't give a damn. If you actually read his work, then you would have issued a quote where he claims as such. Your rants have nothing in relation to the video presented, desperation of Jochannan being a liar.
phoenician7 11 months ago
Who the fuck put this bullshit out on the grandmaster...bitch r u mad b/c the truth has been exposed on u crakkas...greece got everything from Africa and those half ass scholars admitted it so fuck u crakka!!!
mobfiggak1 11 months ago
@mobfiggak1 Looks like your "grandmaster" moron has been served a bitch slap, lol at this mad rabid Afrocentric racist. Do they EVER refute anything? LMAO!
phoenician7 11 months ago
@antoninousa ...from cont'd
"Both clinal and discontinuous distributions exist, suggesting a complicated evolutionary history for humanity. This can be seen with the global frequency patterns of the type B blood allele (shown in the map below). Note that it is highest in Central Asia and lowest in the Americas and Australia. However, there are relatively high frequency pockets in Africa as well."
anthro.palomar.edu
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster This "antonin" character went nuts, used multiple accounts and spammed several of my videos with these same quotes; quotes that actually refute the agenda he is so desperately trying to force. The bulk of his "argument" can be seen here and was easily refuted.
watch?v=H8MWMRRz02M
Have a laugh. :)
phoenician7 1 year ago
@antoninousa ...from cont'd
"... In northern India, in Southern and Central China and in the neighboring Central Asiatic areas, we find the highest known frequencies of B. If we leave this center, the frequency of the B gene decreases almost everywhere ..." Blood Transfusion Division, United States Army Medical Research Laboratory (1971)
cont'd...
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
Fact is if the Negro was truly a real Egyptian then there would be Pyramids all over Sub-Sahara Africa instead of the mud-dung huts they've been living in since the dawn of time.. Negro's are properly illustrated on the walls of the Pyramids as slaves and used as the brutes in the Egyptian military, fact is the Sub-Saharan Negro didn't have the intelligence to write until until colonization occurred.
UncleJenkems 1 year ago
Ignorance,You don't even know there are more Pyramids in other parts of Africa than Egypt which you maliciously called "sub-sahara"Subsahara does not exit.It is Africa.The development of Kemet(Egypt)& the Pyramids came from the begining of the Nile up to the detal.I am not suprised,Western mis-education has misled millions."NSIBIDI"& "MENDE" script were developed thousands of years by Africans before Greeks & Rome.ISHANGO BONES are the oldest mathematics in the world.European/Arabs are CAVEMEN
tanhanka3000 1 year ago
@UncleJenkems What an incredibly stupid comment. Where were the Coliseums and Temples all over Europe during the Greco-Roman period? Europeans only achieved civilization in the extreme Southeastern edge of the continent after Africa had it in the Nile Valley for thousands of years. All other Europeans were savages living as wild men in the woods with no writing or anything close to civilization. You racists simply don't know anything about what it takes to build civilization.
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep Negroes are STILL living in dung huts today and depend on White western nations for food, medical, etc. Obviously negroes have no clue how to build or maintain a civilization. Europe and N. Africa have distinct civilization, sub sahara - where your ancestors come from - has nothing. You are so unsatisfied with your own pathetic life and lack of history that you have to lie and rewrite ancient history.
phoenician7 1 year ago
@phoenician7 You are blinded by racism & ethnophobia.There is nothing you can do about it,everybody knows the truth.So please die in ignorace & foolishness.Imagine your high level of ignorance "WHITE NATION". You would have said "BLUE NATION".Half baked,semi-illitrae clowns on Youtube.
itepu22 1 year ago
@itepu22 "You are blinded by racism & ethnophobia..."
This attitude better suits you, as lie after lie by Afrocentrics have been pointed out in these videos. You give back nothing but emotional speculation that has no foundation. You racist. LOL.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized.
Dr. Peter D'Adamo
Blood Groups & Anthropology
drpeterjdadamo . com/wiki/wiki.pl/Blood_Groups_and_Anthropology
antoninousa 1 year ago
@antoninousa Wrong.
"... The maximum frequency of the B gene occurs in Central Asia and northern India. The B gene was probably absent from American Indians and Australian Aborigines before racial admixture occurred with the coming of the white man ..." Encyclopaedia Britannica (2002)
cont'd...
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@antoninousa And from the website of Peter D'Adamo...
"The gene frequencies for B are highest in the area surrounded by the isogene for 25 out of a hundred. This area includes central Asia, Manchuria, Iran, and northern India. As you move away from this region in any direction, the gene frequency of blood group B falls off. The areas that are farthest from this region are lowest in B."
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep "Europeans only achieved civilization in the extreme Southeastern edge of the continent after Africa had it in the Nile Valley for thousands of years. "
Actually, Europe's oldest civilization (dating 7,000 years ago) has been uncovered by archaeologists in the region of Germany, Austria, and Slovakia, and its architecture predates the Egyptian pyramids. So that little lie is out the window.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@UncleJenkems And as for artwork the Egyptians clearly depicted themselves as Black Africans. White people don't have brown skin and Afros. There were white slaves and images of Whites being slaughtered in Egypt on the temple walls as well. Check out this video to see how easily you claims are picked apart:
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PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep They depicted themselves distinct from the negroids who were to the south of them. Negroids don't have straight hair or red skin. There were negroid slaves and images of negroids being slaughtered and beheaded on the walls of Abu Simbel and Karnak, etc. Goddesses such as Nut, Hathor, Nepthys, Isis are all depicted as White Caucasoids. Too bad for you.
phoenician7 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep " And as for artwork the Egyptians clearly depicted themselves as Black Africans. White people don't have brown skin and Afros."
Brown skin in art, along with its symbolic nature, can at most be said to represent dark complexions. LOL. Many Caucasians sport curly hair and, when short, fros (not like the woolly fros of blacks). There is no study likening Egyptian hair to that of a negro's. & as a reminder, no claim by an ancient scholar that Egyptians looked like Ethiopians.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
Too bad,I have debating with a complete ignoramus.Dr Cheikh Anta Diop is one of the greatest anthropologist of the 20th century.He was also a nuclear physicist worked with France Nuclear station.Dr Diop is best anthropologist of his time & till date his findings still hold & yet to be disproved.He was very honest in his approach to works compared to his inferiors in Arabia,Europe & America.Dr Diop was in the best position to do test but was turned down b'cos Govt.of Egypt was afriad of the truth
tanhanka3000 1 year ago
@tanhanka3000 LOL@ "Diop is best anthropologist" he failed the university exam what - THREE times? He had to go to a WHITE nation to LEARN and then you insult his superiors from who he sought education from? LOL! He was a liar and never conducted a melanin test and has been debunked by the 4 independent labs in France concerning Ramses a long time ago.
phoenician7 1 year ago
HONOR MY DEMANDS, JAY! LOFL!
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
Oh, and the other things regarding Egyptians that I've demanded of you. Don't forget!
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
....where it mixed with another, local lineage represented today by a large fraction of African-specific haplotypes." (Labuda et al. 2000)
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
....the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.”
American Journal of Human Genetics 2004
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo...
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
Brace still has YET to be negated, as his stance is maintained in his 2005 paper "The Questionable Contribution of the Neolithic and Bronze Age to European Craniofacial Form." Egyptians and Northeast Africans clustering closely together, and then that cluster being closer to prehistoric eurasians/mediterraneans, modern mediterraneans, and modern europe...away from the Natufian and Niger-Congo people.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Brace is not claiming that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians so his work does not support your conclusions. That paper supports my claims because it notes a continuity between prehistoric and recent Northeast Africans in which the Ancient Egyptians are groups with people such as Nubians and Somali. We know that West Africans have broader features than Northeast Africans. That's a non-issue. I'm claiming that they resembled tropical East Africans.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay No, tropical east Africans resembled THEM. That paper does not support your claims, because it shows that East Africans and North Africans are overall closer to Eurasians in terms of craniofacial form. Like I said before...show me evidence of a non-admixed Sub-Saharan with a Caucasian crania. LOL!! Show me evidence of how the modern Egyptians are largely a population replacement. I'm STILL waiting.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster I didn't claim modern Egyptians were the product of population replacement but rather mixed with native peoples and gene flow from Europe and the Near East. This claim is supported by the historical evidence of consistent invasions and migration and the craniometric change in Egyptian crania beginning in the Late Period. It doesn't matter that Northeast African crania are closer to Eurasians than West Africans. Their traits are indigenous.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay Sorry, the other study I meant to give you was "An Examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances" by K. Godde.
LOL. You can't even PROVE that they are largely a recent mixture of Near Easterners and Europeans. And no, consistent invasions by the Persians, Greeks, and Assyrians left little to no substantial genetic markers. Whether Egyptian crania is indigenous or not, the fact remains is that they are not the product of black people and racially akin to Eurasians.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster The modern Egyptian DNA supports this conclusion. We don't have enough ancient DNA studies to provide empirical support for this though. The fact remains that they physically resembled tropical Northeast Africans. Facial conformation from craniofacial analysis proves this. Archeologiy and Linguistics also points to a Southern origin for the culture. They are not racially akin to Eurasians in any sense since the race concept is invalid nor are their traits a product of gene flow.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay No the fact remains that tropical Northeast Africans resembled THEM, and are an admixed population. With input from both Eurasia and the North Africans. You're trying to rewrite things backwards and nothing is on your side. And you say the concept of race is invalid, yet continue to show your race preference and bias! LOFL! Not racially akin to Eurasians, eh? Again, find me an unadmixed negro who sports Caucasian craniofacial form. Your STILL dancing around my demands of you!
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster You're a hypocrite because I made demands of you first and you have not fulfilled them. This game of cat and mouse is getting old. You can either provide sources that are consistent with your claims or you can't. If you could you would have done it by now wouldn't you? You can't so you fail. I have no racial bias. I am an Egalitarian. My interest in this subject is to refute racist distortions of African history. Phoneciain7's interest is clearly to promote racism. As is yours.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay My sources are being LISTED you dipshit. Once again, randomly playing blind. My conclusions are derived from all of these, and even YOURS. The fact that you are deliberately misinterpreting things and refusing to acknowledge the things I've demanded of you says enough about yourself, race-believer. LOFL.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster You haven't cited one, not even one source that maintains that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians which is your claim. My sources don't do this so you fail. Not one of the studies you cited do this so you double fail. All you have left is childish insults and false accusations.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay LOFL. And what does this say about your knowledge of populations. If you don't understand Caucasian North African, West Eurasian genetics, and Sub Saharan genetics, and then the phenotypes associated with these. Then you should not be attempting this debate...as you've already made yourself look like the dumbass that you are.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Childish insults and acting as if my probing you to back up your claims is an expression of ignorance on my part only makes you look stupid. You've lost this debate. It seems like you have an emotional need to keep replying to re-enforce your views which is why you resort to hostility in frustration. If you spend more time looking for credible sources rather than acting like a child on the internet you might be able to present a meaningful argument.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay The problem is Jay, I've already backed up my claim. Your ignorance as to what constitutes West Eurasian and North African phenotype, given that you acknowledged genotype dictates phenotype only further makes you look like the loser in denial that you are. The credible sources you ask for, are in front of your face. Your problem is that you don't want to acknowledge that you don't know what you're talking about. Now it's your turn to honor my demands.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster You haven't backed up any claims. Cite an authoritative source that maintains that the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians and proves it empirically. This is my last time asking you to do this. I fully expect you to deny the request and reply with more childish insults but I'm only giving you one last chance. Do it or you fail.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay My proposition does not fail. By default, you admit your belief in race as YOU said yourself that genotype dictates phenotype. And ALSO, you can not find me one unadmixed Sub-Saharan African who sports a Caucasian craniofacial structure with their sub-saharan specific genes. I once again, suggest you to study craniofacial anthropometry, and compare the type to Egyptians and their genetic correspondences.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster And you haven't cited a single study that refutes this claim you are also deliberately dodging the request for a source of your own which is why you lost this debate.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
S.O.Y. Keita in "Studies and Comments in Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships"
Egyptians groups show *less overall affinity* to Palestinian and Byzantine remains than to Africans (Kerma included). Does this say they showed NO affinity to the Palestinians, the way Brace's said NO affinity to Sub-Saharan Africans?? No. And this all comes back to similar adaptation and gene flow, between Egyptians and Northeast Africans, as mentioned by Keita.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster If you can show me a screenshot from that book then I will take a look at it. As for Keita there is simply nothing you can say that would indicate that Keita's work is inconsistent with my interpretation. He told me point blank that his work indicates that the Ancient Egyptians physically resembled groups such as Somali, Nilotic and Horn Africans. The were descended from those populations. That is what the Anthropological research indicates. Now where is your source?
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay Screenshot? Just look the title up along with "body proportions in early modern humans and neanderthals" for the comparison chart...you'll find it on Google books. No, your fantasy is deluding you from understanding correctly. Somalis and Horners are more like the Egyptians due to gene flow and similar adaptation. E-V12 and E-V22 were carried from North Africa (Egypt) south after the desertification of the Sahara. Therefore, they have affinities to the Egyptians.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Show me even a single study that maintains that Horn Africans looked like Egyptians because of gene flow. This claim has been debunked based on evolutionary principles and it has no archeological support.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay LMAO. I just gave you the study from KEITA you douchebag. LOL, you're just as moronic as other Afrocentrics. Mr. Race-bias. And no, that claim has never been "debunked." I'm still waiting on your disproof of Lucotte's confirmation of archaic population divergence in East Africa...I'm waiting on you to disprove the chart that says the modern Egyptians have tropical limbs, and I'm waiting on you to give me evidence of population replacement in Egypt. Come on, race-biased loser.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Your childish insults are a distraction from the fact that you have no sources of your own to counter mine. Go find something else to do. Race obsession is not healthy. You've lost this debate. It does no good to further humiliate yourself by acting like a 10 year old.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay LOFL @ no sources. Bitch, look at the sources posted. Quit randomly "going blind" when they are posted.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay And you can't disprove the fact that Horn Africans have genetic affinities to North Africans due to the direction of gene flow...and similar adaptation, as said by Godde (2009). Still waiting on your *refute* to archaic population divergence, modern Egyptian limb proportions, modern Egyptian African DNA, and evidence of more than 10% Eurasian input since Late Dynastic times. :Yawn: You're boring me.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Where is your source for 10% Eurasian input during Dynastic times? Tishkoff confirmed that there was barely any trace of Eurasian derived lineages in Ethiopians at all and maintains that admixture models are unlikely given that non-African populations are a subset of African populations. As it is none of those DNA studies you cited directly relate their work to face form. That is a conclusion you and other racialists are trying to draw from the studies.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay LOL. I'm asking YOU to show me any significant Eurasian admixture at all. Which you've already demonstrated to me, that you can't." 'Non-African' populations are a subset of African populations"
Yeah, but the population they are a subset of wasn't like the ancestral population of the negroes. You would know this if you wouldn't dance around the archaic population divergence I asked you to acknowledge.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Define Negro. Cite an authoritative source that has the same definition and establishes that "Negroes" descend from an ancestral population. What is the origin of these Negroes? When did they first emerge in the archeological record and where? If you fail to do this then you have no argument.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay LOFL @ your lack of information, and playing blind to the sources I cite. So you resort to not knowing what a Negro is, eh? I've already told you to look up craniofacial anthropometry, and I suggest that you look into Sub-Saharan specific genetics. I'm not about to do YOUR homework and type all of that. If you are uncertain of what a Negro is, and can't debate because you don't (a debate requires two or more opposing parties), then you should not even be attempting it.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster I maintain that terms such as Negroid and Caucasoid are invalid. I've cited studies outlining why. It's up to you to define your terms and cite authoritative sources proving them to be valid.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay What you consider invalid is meaningless to me as your opinion only represents one side of the debate. The challenge is still there to find me an unadmixed Sub-Saharan with Caucasoid craniofacial form.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster I've provided authoritative sources outlining the definition of race and showing empirically that the concept is not applicable to human populations or biological variation. You've provided nothing in support of your claims. How long do you want to beat a dead horse? I recommend finding other things to do. I'm about to go to the gym and lift in a few minutes.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay This last paragraph is repetitive and I ask you to refer to the last one I typed. As well as that one little line above it. LOL!!
Yes, go to the gym and think about how much of a dumbass you were. And then brainstorm your answers to my demands.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Fail. You've lost the debate. I'm going to the gym now and no I won't be thinking about idiots on the internet who don't know how to debate. This will be my last reply to you or Phonecian7 since both of you have utterly failed to provide authoritative sources exposing yourselves as racist propagandists.
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay My authoritative sources were listed as WELL as your OWN sources, of which you erroneously misinterpreted. The lack of terms such as Caucasian and Negro are all a part of trying to create a biological egalitarianism. The fact that you know what West Eurasians look like, know what modern North Africans look like, know where East African genetic and physical structure comes from, and then your lack of answers to my demands just proves as I've said before, you're a loser in denial.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Biological Egalitarianism? LOL! You have no idea what you're talking about. That's a word that racists use for opponents of Scientific Racism. Why didn't you just provide a source when Ninja requested it of you? It's pretty obvious that you lost that debate. The Ancient Egyptians looked like ethnic groups within the Horn of Africa. All you racists can do is try to claim East Africans are mixed and try to attribute their features to Caucasians invoking the Hamitic Hypothesis.
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep "Why didn't you just provide a source when Ninja requested it of you"
Why do you parrot questions that have already been asked by and addressed to your butt buddy, "PharaohMentuhotep?" (LOL @ that s/n. You WISH your people had a relation). As far as your comparison of Egyptian phenotype to Horn Africans, that's just pure emotional speculation. The fact that East Africans are a mix of SubSaharan, North African, and West Eurasian shoots down any case you thought you had.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Brace (1993) themselves say that Horn African facial features and not the product of admixture with Wandering Caucasoids (evolutionary anthropology debunks this outdated idea) and I see that earlier you tried to use this study as a source even though the article is clearly titled Clines and Clusters vs. "Race". Let me guess Brace is just trying to create a Biological Egalitarianism right? Keita's research shows that Ancient Egyptian crania overlap with Horn Africans.
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep "Brace (1993) themselves say that Horn African facial features..."
No, evolution is only one side of it. The fact that you can't find me any unadmixed Sub-Saharans that display this same sort of *Caucasoid-evolution* is a failure for your theory. The title of Brace's article is irrelevant as the race of the Egyptians is implied in their clustering with West Eurasians and North Africans and away from the Sub Saharans....
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Even Brace's research in a more recent study indicates this. So where are the counter studies that refute Keita and Brace's contentions? Provide a study that says that East African craniofacial structure can be attributed to outside influences. Narrow noses and faces in East Africa are a product of adaptation to a hot-dry climate not admixture with hypothetical Wandering Caucasoids. The racist obsession with trying to make East Africans mixed is very funny.
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep ...you can not find me any craniofacial dendrogram in which unadmixed Sub Saharan blacks have craniofacial tendencies toward Caucasians. Nor can you find a craniofacial dendrogram that clusters Egyptians with unadmixed Sub Saharans. The fact that East Africans are genetically influenced by North African and Near Eastern genetics does not lend any credibility to your theory. Gene flow and similar adaption are suggested similarities for Egyptians and Nubians per K. Godde.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster "...terms such as "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" create more problems than they solve. Those very terms reflect a mix of narrow regional, specific ethnic, and descriptive physical components with an assumption that such separate dimensions have some kind of common tie. Biologically, such terms are worse than useless." - C Loring Brace
These are Brace's exact words. So isn't it rather disingenuous of you to cite him as a source for the Ancient Egyptians being Caucasian?
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep "These are Brace's exact words....."
"Major continental terms are just fine, and sub-regional refinements such as Western European, Eastern African, Southeast Asian, and so forth carry no unintentional baggage."
Yet isn't it funny he DOESN'T group the Egyptians with Sub-Saharan Africans? Rather with other North Africans and West Eurasians. Show me an example of an unadmixed SubSaharan with Caucasian crania, or a European with Mongoloid crania, & show me its useless.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster There's simply nothing Caucasian about the Ancient Egyptians. Their ancestors came to the Nile Valley from Sub-Saharan East Africa not Europe or Asia. Africa is very genetically diverse but the point is that the Ancient Egyptians were a native African people. They were what most in the Western world today call Black and this fact upsets racists because they want to view Black people as inferior and incapable of civilization. That's what it's all about for you guys.
PharaohMentuhotep 1 year ago
@PharaohMentuhotep "There's simply nothing Caucasian about the Ancient Egyptians...."
All Eurasians and North Africans came from an archaic East African population. The difference between Egyptians/North Africans and Eurasians is that they didn't leave North Africa to come back, but rather, stayed and evolved there. Please, refute the study already mentioned numerous times by Labuda and Howell on archaic population divergence (also published in NY Times).
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
@GodGrandmaster Coalescence times19, 20 calculated from various genes suggest that the differentiation of modern humans began in Africa in populations whose morphological traits are unknown; it cannot be assumed from an evolutionary perspective that the traits used to define 'races' emerged simultaneously with this divergence15. There was no demonstrable 'racial' divergence. (Conceptualizing Human Variation 2004).
MysticNinjaJay 1 year ago
@MysticNinjaJay Not as we know it today, dumbass. Modern races did not exist at the point. The point IS, there was differentiation between the two populations.
"We propose that African chromosomes descend from at least two lineages that have been evolving separately for a period of time. One of them underwent range expansion colonizing different continents, including Africa, ....
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
LOL @ him saying I pasted quotes from studies out of context. Actually, they were posted exactly as they are put IN the studies. That's where Google comes in, bitch.
GodGrandmaster 1 year ago
First,the term "sub-sahara" is used by European & Arabs to create an imaginary division in Africa.There were several Africa tribes of Cameroun & nigeria that invented written script like "NSIBIDI SCRIPT"5000(BCE),the Mende ppl invented "KIKAKUI" SCRIPT 170(BCE) ect.In science Africans excluding African America has made serious impact. A Nigeria Army Oviemo Ovadje invented EAT-SET blood transfusion device,Philip Emeagwali increased the speed of computer 3.1 billion pe/sec
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snowmchristv 1 year ago