@moti4love you should know that many christian zionists support Israel, specially evangelicals. Of course we support the state of Israel, not extremist jews, the haredim and racist jews from Europe.
Jews will accept the Messiah, satanic false jews will never accept the Messiah
@firstonethrough What i did was simply point out that finders5, finderr5 is a spammer
Im sorry if you think you were engaged in a discussion - the reality is that this user, find simply cuts & pastes the same comments repeatedly on multiple videos multiple times - i suggest you google finders5 or finderr5 or look at the videos Gaza 2009, Gaza the killing zone, Uk Mp Israel acting like nazis, Israeli soldier Palestine girl - You'll find the exact same spammed comments
@outsidelight1 There is an unfortunate separation going on now. Israelis are prohibited from going to areas of the WB. Jews are forbidden from entering or praying on the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. Hopefully many of these separations will come down once the conflict stops.
But in order for that to happen, each side must 1) compromise 2) sit down and negotiate 3) communicate clearly with its people. The PA refuses to do this. Hopefully this will change soon.
@finderr5 The Wall has been built to enable Israel to salami slice yet more land and resources from the little that Palestine has left. It is really quite obvious to us outsders that Israel is not and probably never did negotiate in good faith. The goal has always been to exercise full demographic control oer "Greter Israel". Settlements (illiegal) are the sticking points and what little the Palestinians can do does not warrant the grotesque responses of the IDF
@finderr5 I reapeat: blockade. Gaza is blockaded with essential items being kept in short supply. Nothing comes in nothing goes out without Israel's say so. That's what the Mavi Marmara was all about. Maybe you missed it. What Hamas manages to sneak in through a few tunnels and off the odd small boat hardly amounts to anything.
@firstonethrough This is an interesting comment. Turkey is assisting terrorists how? Turkey will pursue the PKK into Iraque and threatened to do so in Syria but didn't need to in the end. Apart from capturing Ocalan and bringing him back alive...and the key word here is "alive"..to be tried in public, Turkey does not carry out extra teritorial activity that is clearly illegal. Maybe i am wrong. Correct me..
@outsidelight1 Turkey blew up 35 people the other week and a family of 7 the other month. This from jet bombers. Not exactly a mechanism for arresting and trying people in court.
I get the problem. Erdo wants to protect his people. It is terrible when innocent ppl get hurt in these conflicts. When a govt or separatist movement starts a fight, they must understand that civilians will get caught in the violence too. Those casualties dont inherently make the movement or defense bad
@finderr5 Not only is it a fact that a Jewish state required the ethnic cleansing of the Arab majority, it is also undeniable that this project required racism as an underlying theme: "There is a fundamental difference in quality between jew and native." Chaim Weizman. Notice, if you will, the use of the word "native" which indicates who is the resident and also in the vernacular of the time who is inferior.
@finderr5 Wilson's 14 points were very selectively applied. Some people were left out. It is a fact that on the basis of self determination the Jews would have been the minority and there would be no "Jewish" state. The Jewish state was predicated on ethnic homogeneity and therefore required the expulsion of Arabs. "One certain truth is that there is no Zionist settlement and there is no Jewish state without displacing Arabs and without confiscating land and fencing them off."
@finderr5 AIPAC is there to make Israel's voice "heard"? Rubbish. AIPAC is there to ensure Israel's voice is acted upon....where did Obama go first after he secured Democratic nomination for President? AIPAC. And boy was he sucking up to them..I mean, with Hussein as a middle name he had some serious sucking up to do..he knew where the money was and he was running a campaign.
@finderr5 Campus Watch is there to supress criticism Israel- as simple as that. Israel has a massively influential lobby in the US...the Arab lobby is pathetic in comparison; it could do with a bit of exposure and the debate could do with some balance. You can quote Israeli sympathisers all day and it won't mean that everybody out there is taken in. Just about all we hear is the Israeli side
@finderr5 No it isn't. Many people who dislike Israel also dislike the US because (mainly) of the US support for Israel no matter what it does. Many people dislike just Israel. But Israel does have it's supporters....they are dwindling however. Just like me. I used to be very sympathetic to Israel...not any more. not since the last invasion of Lebanon
@finderr5 AIPAC doesn't do much to express disatisfaction with Israel's policy of opprerssion in the West Bank either. When independent minded Jews in America do complain they are pilloried... this is not new either.
@finderr5 AIPAC directs American Congressional atitudes on Israel even when Israel's policy directly contradicts US interests. This is not a new idea..it has been there for a long time and along with organisations like Campus Watch helps curb criticism and monitor the press.
The President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Küçük has stated that with the realization of the project water will be brought to the nation from Turkey, the water problem will become history., Küçük also stated that the Greek Cypriots will also have the opportunity to benefit from the water brought in from Turkey. I call that neigbourly. Better than oil in fact.
@outsidelight1 You've already been given several amounts of information but you'll still parrot these foolish things. If you want to live in ignorance that's your choice but stop commenting this low level bullshit to me.
@pboisei Israel is a beacon of democracy if you are Jewish...not such a beacon for an Arab. However, there is more latitude in Israel to criticise Israeli policy than in America because of the activities of organisations like AIPAC and Campus Watch...history is full of ironies.
what does it take to make the world free of blood suffer and crying eyes? if we all immigrate to a different planet and come to two countries that fight each other, we wouldnt keep the fight? basically what im saying is that you must forget the past, and forgive. if you find the power to forgive, you must force the other side to forgive if you forgive too. but you never stop because the side who wouldn't forgive will feel bad with time. of you decide to stop forgiving then the war will last 4eva
@MrEran1996 Its not forgiving thats the problemits trusting.The past makes countries not trust other countries.Wars will always happen ,because a country wants another countries resource and land.They will use whatever excuss to have the right to take and kill, like the difference of relgion or nationality.I would hope people dont forget the past,so as not to let history repeat its mistakes.I could forgive but never forget the past. I rather be paranoid then be to trusting to let my gaurd down.
@elbenfreundin Double standards....So the French never had double standards? The Israelis? Greeks? You are telling me that duplicity is unique to just the Turkish leadership or is it just you don't like their point of view and you are just hiding behind a principle of honesty...itself a manifestation of double standards.... Life is just so complicated
@roeetsabari Oh be sensible. Israel did not "get away from Gaza" Israel still controls Gaza. The problem is that Israel has no interest in promoting a two state solution; it never did. Gaza is an excuse. We all see through this. The problem is illegal settlements that Israel continues to expand and the fact that Israel continues to expand those settlements in a manner that destroys any possibility of a viable Palestinian state because it doesn't want one to happen.
@outsidelight1 i think it is a philosophical quetion how can you deal with somone how telles stuff which are completly fals but yet completly convincd ? i have tons of facts for you but none of them will help here in this conversiton your mind is set ,aperntly musslem propoganda works all to well it"s man like you who will make the west fall to isslam all of it
@roeetsabari It is perhaps a strategic question of how to deal with people who are willfully ignorant. Some are perhaps genuinely deceived. The current global Muslim Jihad has taken many of us by surprise. Its sheer audacity and how long in the planning. The greatest weakness of their entire project is the extent to which it relies on propaganda and censorship. The truth will cut through Islam like a knife through butter. 1.2 billion under Sharia and they call them 'believers' - I think not.
@outsidelight1 Are you capable of reading? I never wrote that hypocrisy is unique to Turkish leaders alone. You can find hypocrisy and double standards all over the world but this video here refers to Turkish hypocrisy so we talk about Turkish leaders and not about the French president or Israel.
@elbenfreundin It's the Turkish "hypocrisy" that seems to drive you all onward however. It seems to be hypocritical, not to mention pointless and possibly racist to restrict yourselves to "Turkish hypocrisy" while excluding the hypocrisy of others mentioned in the title of the video. You can't talk about the hypocrisy of others without discussing your own. Your answer is an example of sophistry, nothing more.
@outsidelight1 Well, I see your comments are not worth answering because you don't discuss the content of the video. All your "arguments" are just a diversion to make us forget the main point. A cheap trick.
@elbenfreundin A diversion? Hardly. You can't witter on about hypocrisy in others and not expect to be questioned about your own hypocrisy and double standards. The basic thing that I have said al along is that you can not judge the Turks by standards you do not achieve yourselves....this should be obvious.
@outsidelight1 also remember ther was never otonomes arab country in this land lern some history befor you neet peak evry inch in israel i wonder how much you know about what is going on in arab countrys like surya or egypet and on and on
if you are looking for humaniterian problems you are not looking at the right place
@roeetsabari And you have to go back in to prehistory for an "Israel"- what is your point? In 1949 the majority of people in the region were Arabs not Jews...that demographic was changed through the use of force and force continues to be used today to maintain the demographics and to ensure that there is no viable Palestinian state. What do Syria and Egypt have to do with what Israel does to people who are in its power? Israel is pretending to be a modern liberal democracy.
@outsidelight1 omg it is alweys amazing to me how eazy it is to manover leftis by islamic propoganda, they made you belive that this extra small country is the main problem of this world , wise man once caled them usefull idiots pleas do tell me in what wey israel is still in gaza ? the reason musslems around the world hate the jews has nothing to do with setelments or to gaza all you need to know about musslems is in the quran i know also arabik you"l never find more hatfull text then this
@roeetsabari Q: How is Israel still "in" Gaza? A: One word is required- "Blockade". Israel controls Gaza in all ways that are meaningful just as it controls the WB and deprives Palestinians of their civil and humanitarian rights, not to mention their national rights. Israel does this by gradually stealing land and resources thus ensuring that Palestinians will never have a meaningful independence. This is why Israel is disliked not because they are "Jewish"
@outsidelight1 there is somthing very arrogant about you arrogant and misinformed with your q&a however there is no houmeniterian problem in gaza the only blockedge hapens in your mind this comes from somone how has been in gaza border for 3 years however non of this will mater becuse you are already brainwashed so only undestand this last month was a pole among all palestinyans by palestinyan outoroty asking them who do you prefer to rull this land 79% said they prefer israel
@roeetsabari 79% of Palestinians say they would rather Israel to control "this land" Well I have to say I don't believe that....not for an instant. Show me where it says that. Palestinians want to have their own country. They don't want to be 2nd class citizens in Israel. Many might agree to being equal citizens in Israel but that is not what is offered to them now is it? Otherwise, why does Israel need that illegal wall in the West Bank?.
Isn't the moral indignation of this villain who allows persecution of Christians in his country, who defies freedom of press a funny thing to watch...
It seems easier to hold up a head that is empty....
@rachelgolem I am sure the IDF was able to help with advice on how to shoot up a boatload of Turks. Advice part 1) ensure boatload of Turks are unarmed first....
@outsidelight1 u should watch the videos by yours brothers in believe, how Turks and other Muslims have proclaimed they will fight and are willing to die as a martyr on this boat, so they did, so why the complain?They where so happy and willing to die they where singing hehehe imbeciles,it's in the genes.
@mirawayne ......Good...then how stupid of the IDF to oblige then don't you think? Of couirse this is not an accurate observation. Expressing a willingness to be "matryred" is not an expression of determination to die now is it?
@outsidelight1 according to u?? watch the videos of the suicide bombers before they die how happy they are to die and go to Allah paradise, is it beckose of the 72 black eyed virgins? or beckose they are just of bunch of retards that runs in Muslim blood via inbreeding, proclaimed by the famous in breeder and child molester as a honour Mohamed,
@mirawayne Fabulous. Let's generalise shall we? Arabs are a "bunch of retards" and that rthis "runs in Muslim blood via inbreeding"..your bigotry is there for all to see. Race and intelligence are intertwined...Jews are superior; Arabs are inferior..that's what you are telling me. Islam is not a "race" but this is a very Nazi idea....we should not be surprised because Zionism and Nazism were birthed in the same stable. Thank you for showing us your true face.
@outsidelight1 and thank u for showing yours true face! i really don't care what u think and what u say it's obvious where your education comes from " Zionism and Nazism where birthed in the same stable?"u are saying this to me? holocaust survivor? go and do yours homework boy.
@mirawayne Be of good cheer. There are many millions, ney billions, of us who are awakening to the grizzly spectre of Islam. They are making the last desperate attempt to preserve and enforce their obsolete and dreadful slaving system. Islam will fold like a house of cards before the might of reason, knowledge and wisdom. The sword of truth and the shield of freedom is ours.
@ritchloui thanks for yours support! he puts words in to my reply, did I say that Jews are superior? no, he did, but it must be something when out of all Nobel prices 180 was given to Jews, and Israelis are getting one every year, by the way my nice is marred to a Muslim Doctor his family come from Egypt, wonderful family, words like this man ousidelight full of hate never come near them, love his mothers cooking,Adore her son my nephew.There is hope.
@outsidelight1 Your willful ignorance is astounding. Tell me, what of the 1,400 years of enforced Arabisation of the entire Middle East and North Africa. Not racist? Of the absolute obliteration of countless African civilisations by their Arab conquerors? Not racist? Of the 'complementary Arab' status of Africans who convert to Islam. Not racist? Name one single instance of an African owning an Arab as a slave. Mein Kampf is Jihad in German you moron!
@mirawayne 1948:"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." 1983"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Not much seems to have changed if we look at your attitude
@outsidelight1 Hi little moron, you put your idiocy in quotes as though that makes it sound authentic. Who supposedly said those things? What is your source? UNRWA official, Sir Alexander Galloway, in April 1952: “The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die.” THAT is how you quote.
@mirawayne The willingness to die stupidly is "in the genes"...clearly you don't actually care that you come across as both ignorant and racist. You seem to wear you bigotry as a badge of pride.
@outsidelight1 Just beckose the biggest ignorant s and bigots and racists are the worshippers of Koran Islam, Muslims and u decided I'm one of this ?no thanks, my parents where not related, and u coll it racism? than u must be on of them as u don't have clue what you are saying.Small brain function I presume.
Ataturk would have hung Erdogan in the street instead this man was let out of prison and made Prime Minister. Turkey is now an Islamic State. Woman are already being murdered for no reason. This happened under Obama, you may think he is weak or you may think he is the enemy either way things are going to get MUCH worse.
Very valuable and most truthful video on dirty Turkey and filthy Erdogan.
Believe me guys, Israel doesn't need Turkey whatsoever. Jews have had always high respect and mutual understanding with kurds in Kurdistan. Therefore, a closer relations with Kurdistan is enivitable for Israel. i.e peaceful nations should come together against aggressive people. Thanks for the video.
What a hypocrite. How about helping the 4 million Sudanese who've been displaced by the Islamic Sudanese Government and their Jihadi militias? What about the 500,000 Sudanese civilians who have been slaughtered by the same since 2008? Ah, two reasons, the crimes are being committed by Islamists and secondly, the victims are African not Arab.
@ritchloui Great. And the mess in the Sudan has what to do with the way modern "democratic" and "progressive" Israel treats the Palestinians it has under its control and occupation? The Sudanese are killing eachother and this excuses Israel? African? Arab? Jew? Who cares? So don't bother with the "African babies aren't worth what Arab babies are worth" because it is an insinuation that won't stick. It is Israel that is running an apartheid style state. Palestinians don't have a state
No Nation-state espousing Islam as its official religion deserves the respect or approbation of secular nation-states and deserves no place at the table amongst the civilized nations of the world. The sooner we can marginalize, isolate and emasculate Islamo-states, the better.
It's very interesting, but given the enormous size, power and influence of the British Empire and, no doubt the desperate search by its enemies, they cannot find any example of a policy of extermination remotely comparable to those of its peers. Just thought I'd point that out and make her enemies tear out their hair.
What about Pax Christis (catholic NGO) who is behind the GAZA humanitarian = war flotilla? Hamas considered a terrorist organization by EU, US, Canada and Japan, but in US, you have US Cair, in Canada, you have Canada CAIR, EU support palestinians border 1967, so they are all lying to us. Read this document : Sustaining U.S GLOBAL LEADERSHIP
Turkey and Lebanon are contesting Israel's gas find. Nutrallahh of Hizzzbullah and ErDOGan suffer from "small man, small penis" syndrome. They need their emotional masturbation to pretend that they are "great men" but instead they only have big mouths and big guns to prove their imagined manhood
@elanainisrael This is a childish comment. In case you didn't notice, Lebanon has an extensive coastline that would allow it make claims on adjacent economic zones of exploitation. Question: will Israel share some oill and gas income with the Palestinians since they too have a coastline or will they just rob them of that too? Taking a border line out to sea (which is how these things work) says that Gaza should probably get a share in Mari and Noa sites don't you think?
Jerk's should leave their crappy provocation flotilla's at home. Then Israel will not have to slap you around and send whining to the U.N. like little girls.
@outsidelight1 I'm not being hypocritical - I'm just pointing out that Erdo is being one. I understand that civilians get injured in war. Its terrible. Look how many were killed in Iraq these past 10 year. Afghanistan. There are accidents in friendly fire too. With all of that weaponry, close fighting and adrenaline, unintended victims will get hurt.
I disagree that Israel targets civs. Look at the "Jenin Massacre" in 2002 where IDF went house to house to minimize civs killed
@outsidelight1 You bring up (indirectly) another interesting point. In no scenario in a peace agreement does Israel want a new Palestine to have a full military (such as an airforce). one can claim that infringes on their rights, but I guess if its agreed to by both parties, its a compromise that the arabs are willing to make
@outsidelight1 arab israelis do have full rights whether serving in the parliament, the army, whatever. they certainly do better than women in Saudi Arabia! I understand that Kurds did not have basic rights such as using their own language or culture until only a few years ago. Please share more info on this reversal of treatment (which seems positive)
As I've noted, the blockade will continue until Hams changes. U think gazans like Hams, so I see no change per the will of Gazans
@firstonethrough Very few Arabs serve in the IDF...some Bedouin and Circassians (remnants of genocide carried out by Russia...otherwise not much. Kurds have full civil and political rights and about 20% of MPs are Kurds reflecting their % of the popuklation. Language rights were restricted in education, media and commerce till about 12 years ago- about the same time Greece had to review its own language and religious restrictions which were similar.
@firstonethrough Kurds have served at the top levels of government and continue to do so.... many Israeli Arabs in the government these days?.....Ever? What are the general views of Arabs held by Israeli citizens?
Excellent Video, hypocrisy, and double standards abound, and by the sounds of it, they feel totally justified to lie and manipulate the truth, why? It's called self-imposed righteousness! They call the Jews evil so they can wipe them off the face of the earth, but their actions are NOT evil, such depravity of heart and soul, absolute evil brings about absolute wickedness. They are living and acting from in a self-willed delusion. Such unadulterated darkness. Thanks for sharing this with me.
@firstonethrough Contrary to your commentary, the PKK does intend to destroy Turkey’s hard won territorial integrity; it intends to establish a Marxist state in south east Turkey. Israel won’t even accept Palestinian statehood in the small part of Palestine left to them…so please let’s not bother with more nonsense like this. The PKK has always attacked civilian targets , its very first victims were Kurds considered to be class enemies.
@outsidelight1 I'm not sure what you mean by "hard fought". I understand the Kurds want a state in the SE where they account for about 15 million people, but have no interest in the balance of Turkey. My comment is that Hamas in Gaza wants to destroy Israel completely - a big difference from the more modest PKK goals and more akin to the arabs in the west bank seeking their own country.
@firstonethrough Your commentary notwithstandinTurkish presence in North Cyprus is justified and continues to be by Greek intransigence an example of which can be seen in the last referendum on reunification, the Anan plan. Greeks voted against, Turks voted for. There may not be another chance that good. Regarding threats, Erdogans says “We will not repeat their mistake. We will not attack people in international waters.” This would appear to be clear and non threatening.
@firstonethrough Turkey is not using the "illegal entity" of the TRNC to threaten Israeli potential economic interests in the Med and has simply promised to protect its own interests in the face of constant belligerence from a petty Greek Cypriot administration. Turkey does not want “in on” Israel’s bonanza if that is what it turns out to be.
@outsidelight1 how do you interpret Erdo's comments that "Israel will see that it has no economic claims in this area"? Does he mean off the coast of Israel? Off the coast of Cyprus in an agreed to joint venture? off northern Cyprus? All of the above?
@firstonethrough This interview is punctuated by irrelevant observations…such as Turkey announcing suspension of military exercises “just when it (Israel) was sending officers to visit Nazi death camps in Poland”… a cheap and irrelevant holocaust reference which you say I keep bringing up. At no point has Turkey recognised an Armenian “Genocide” because the basis of such contention is not only debatable but laced with falsehoods.
What are you some kind of an idiot? We as humans are programmed to survive, if the British soldiers would use deadly force maybe today they would be with families. What are you saying? The IDF commandos should have let these barbaric animals bit them up? The commandos boarded the ship with paint guns and they side arms, that is not enough for you? They didn't board the ship with the intention to kill anyone, but when you get hit with pipes you shoot, I would!!
@jhndl3026 Well done for missing the point. British soldiers are trained to try and ensure that collateral damage is minimal. IDF soldiers are trained in an environment that informs them that collateral damage usually doesn't matter and often is the point of the exercise.
@firstonethrough I flatly deny the Armenian "genocide" and I have clear given reasons. Comparison between Hamas and the PKK are fatuous as you are aware but here are a few differences.. Kurds are excluded from no part of Turkey in geographical, cultural, political and economic terms; they are able to participate in national life in Turkey to whatever extent they wish and they have the same rights as all other Turkish citizens; Palestinians enjoy none of these rights in Israel
@outsidelight1 first, thank you for responding directly to the video! I spend a bit of time making each one so it's a shame when all of the conversations become intertwined.
1. I admit I do not know a lot about the genocide in Armenia, or Darfur or other places for that matter. I need to learn more and forums like these are helpful. While you are obviously strongly of one opinion, I hope to gather more data on the subject. please make some suggestions.
@firstonethrough Daniel Pipes of the MEF "Think Tank" which is actually a part of the lobby which informs much of official US thinking on Israel, thinks that solutions can not accommodate Palestinian "aspirations" but says they will accept Israel only when their will to make war has been crushed. Existing anarchy has started this process but it will be more expeditiously achieved when Israelis themselves can administer the defeat. Oct 2006 Peace Through Opression then
@firstonethrough Ahh now the Israeli founding myth is unravelled like a peeling onion. The fact is that from ottoman times Arabs (mostly Muslim but some Christian) were the majoritty. Even after significant Jewish migration Arabs were still a majority of 2/3... but were offered less than 45% of the land. Who would accept this bargain? You can not throw this at Palerstinians as if it were some warped version of original sin for which they must pay today. It simply won't wash.
@outsidelight1 confused where the myth is. they didn;t like the offer so they turned it down. OK. that happens in the market every day. Theyve turned down every offer for 100 years. OK, that happens.
I dont think they like the fact that the offers over the past 100 years keep getting worse as the "salami slicing" as you say happens. I get that too. So theyll never say yes? they expect a border/offer that existed 30/50/75 years ago?
@firstonethrough I don't keep bringing up the origins of Israel or the holocaust..t just pops up all over the place. However, you keep talking about Palestinians' "original sin"- they refuse the original UN deal. Who would? 45% of your land to a minority by someone else's dictat.This is relevant and it is not reasonable. Name me any people who would accept that? It is up to "civilised" "democratic" "western" Israel- in control of all the assets- to act positively for once
It seems typical of the islamic mind set to condemn others for justified actions, while totally ignoring or trivializing their own barbaric acts.
Any reasonable minded person recognizes that the "flotilla of peace" was simple provoation against israel (what captain with a responsibility to deliver aid would chose running a military blockade over delivering the supplies peacefully via Ashdod?).
@berenjervin I suspect that the main reasons to break the blockade is that many goods are restricted by the Israelis which are needed in Gaza...and this was a form of political demonstration..like walking up and down outside an embassy with flags and placards... but Israel is accustomed to responding in extreme ways and getting away with it; it is all a part of the ethos of the Israeli state..
>many goods are restricted by the Israelis which are needed in Gaza
I didnt know the palestinians were in such dire need of expired medicines and broken wheelchairs. Either way, I believe those urgently needed "supplies" are still sitting in a warehouse waiting for pickup by the palestinians.
I wonder if having one of the highest obesity rates among women has anything to do with it.
And to make things clear. Do not insult me again or this conversation will be over.
I 99.9 % have more education and credentials to prove it, not in evaluation of what you wrote which I disagree, but statistic percent of the population. Dont make me regret the fact i am answering here.
And lets say the plan of putting puppet goverments in all middle east "succeds" and the Sunni become the next Shi"ites.
How long will it take for the Sunni puppet to bite back. And with all the heat in the middle east rising to boiling point, and the war, their plan can turn upside down.And then Chaos
What if instead of what the policy makers think, they are creating a monster instead.
And if this monster is lead by turkey even worse! Turkey is not an example. It hasn't got simple liberties.
@antonis5784 .... and Israel never worried about the "Turkish Issues" that worry Greeks and Armenians until Turjkey stepped out of line either. And what is "Turkey's real face" exactly? Keep it short, keep it clean and above all, keep it factual please. And remember that we need to apply the same rules of judgment to everybody
@outsidelight1 much of the world - including the US - lets crimes of badly behaving countries slip by until their economic interests are threatened. Look at the US ignoring acts by China and Saudi Arabia. Israel wants Turkey as an ally - but it will not let it threaten its gas discovery
@firstonethrough This is not about Israel's gas discovery.... this is about Israel's inability to cope with any opposition at all, even from an ally. In America Israel resorts to the AIPAC option...against Turkey just lies.
@outsidelight1 this comment is nonsense. there were no lies and you use AIPAC as a polite anti-semtism that jews buy votes. Understand there are millions of people in the US who love Israel on many levels. while you may not like it, it is a fact that your smears cannot change
@firstonethrough Ahh, the old "anti semite" thing...it never takes long. I went to university in America. I did politics, business and engineering. I know because I followed the news they way most Americans seem not to.Saying that AIPAC and allied Jewish lobby groups control US policy in the Middle East is not anti semitic, it is a fact. Even in the 1st Gulf War when the US needed Israel simply to shut up Israel continued to make problems with settlement building etc. Fact
@outsidelight1 u are a lier! if you did all the education u are saying u had u wouldst say all this stupid thinks u say here, the only education u had was in the desert under the Bedouin tent and it's obvious.Get a life and get a proper education.
@mirawayne I am a "lier"? What an extraordinary thing to say about someone you don't know. About what, precisely am I "lying"? The power and influence of the Israeli lobby in America? The fact that Israeli settlements in WB are an obstacle to peace? That Israel oppresses the Palestinians? That the IDF intentionally causes collateral damage during military operations? That stereotypes are sometimes right?
@outsidelight1 I don't have to know you to say that u are a lier, it's obvious from yours stupid answers. u say say same lies printed by anti
Israeli and anti-Semitic media and what this hypocrite Erdorgan-idiot ( must be related to Ahmaidiot says same stupid words)only beckose it's convenient for yours hate of Jews, I heard it all before so u just say all the lies what others are saying, haven't got a brain to think for u self?
@mirawayne List my "lies" then you arrogant fool. Are you seriously suggesting that criticise Israel is to be anti Semitic? Are you actually suggesting that Israel is beyond reproach and incapable of fault? The accusation of anti Semitism doesn't work any more.This is a threadbear defense that no longer holds water. It just may be that people dislike Israel because of the things that Israel does not because they dislike Jewish people.
@firstonethrough AIPAC and its fellow Israel lobby groups not only "buys" votes but uses its financial muscle to deny votes. It has one ideology; promote Israel's interests. In the US political system, money talks. Monroe Spen for eg, a financier who campained for the Israeli right (including the settlement and Temple Mount movements and Meir Kahane): "I always live by the golden rule..Whoever has the gold makes the rules" The problem with stereotypes; they're right sometimes.
@outsidelight1 really? So I guess you dont mind when people think that muslims are terrorists. I dont subscribe to that. There are hundreds of lobbyists in DC including arab ones. Saudi Arabia and the gulf states can buy every politician if they want. Each lobby makes their case and some prevail.
It is the oil money that unfortunately buys off too many people - "black gold" if you will. That and the fear of radical religious extremists
@roeetsabari Maybe a visit to the West Bank might be more instructive.. can you arrange a nice place for him in a Palestinian refugee camp.... or Gaza?
@firstonethrough A correction is in order here....I do mind when people say Muslims are terrorists; it is inaccurate, some Muslims are terrorists not all. You also know perfectly well that the so called oil/ Saudi lobby pales into insignificance besides the Israeli lobby. Reams have been written on the Israeli lobby. Isreali leaders acknowledge its power and call on it often. It is no secret so why pretend that it is just another lobby making its case. We both know different.
@outsidelight1 just beckose the Arabs baying and corrupting people and media like "Guardian" in UK that doesn't mean that everybody is doing it, AIPAC don't have to corrupt anybody, people with intelligence and education understand what is in stake and nobody with any understanding of peace in the world will follow this lies , comparing to low intelligence and sick following of corrupt Islam is very stupid, think if it's possible for yours brain before u say anything.
@mirawayne AIPAC is an organisation dedicated to the support of Israel through the medium of US foreign policy and aid. It does this through the application of distorted history, intimidation and the attempt to subvert the freedom of expression in the US. AIPAC is not above manipulating the US political system to get what it wants for Israel even when it is clearly against US regional interests
@antonis5784 Exactly how have the Palestinians f####d up recently? Please put this in the context of the main issue which confounds all attempts at peace which can be summed up in one word: settlements
@outsidelight1 untrue. This flotilla was running to Gaza. There are no settlements in Gaza. Just a blockade against an evil govt. That blockade will not stop until Hamas changes its ways or is replaced by another govt - hopefully a single govt together with the WB. Erdo's interview has absolutely zero to do with jews living in WB. It has everything to do with finger-waving and threats of sending warships into areas that Israel has economic interests. watch the video again
@firstonethrough Settlements (illegal) are the issue that prevents meaningful discourse between Arabs and Isreal in the West Bank/ Gaza. Gaza is the bit that is somewhat accessible so "flotillas" are an option. Demos outside embassies are another....like the one organised in Israel outside the Turkish embassy...clearly hostile and clearly an organised circus. There are no Turkish economic interests off the coast of Israel..this is an Israeli smokescreen
@outsidelight1 go to the MEMRI site and watch the full video (without my text overlay, unless you understand Turkish, it might not be a problem). Erdo is clearly sending a message with his finger-waving at Israeli economic interests which he claims do not exist. His challenge of sending in "more and more and more warships" to the region should alarm anyone.
If he just plans on drilling off of the coast of Turkey, who cares? That is not the message he sent or intended to send
1. arabs didnt want and still dont want jews living there. that has been constant since 1920s. the fighting didnt begin in 1967
2. settlement can be moved as they were in sinai, gaza
Legality is based on 2 matters: personal and country. If a person stole an individual's property, that is theft (i agree). For a country, Ottoman/british/jordan/Israel have administered/run WB so there is no theft of "Pali" land.
@firstonethrough In 1920 Jews were imigrants. In 1920 Americans didn't like imigrants who wwere not WASP eaither. They especially didn't like Jews. What is your point? Settlement can be moved? There is no will to move settlements in the West Bank..they continue to expand..this is theft. If Arabs don't want Jews "living there"- amongst them- they are merely reciprocating the sentiment that Jews have enforced through expulsions
@outsidelight1 You ignored my points. Arabs were immigrants too, not just jews. Settlements can and have been moved.
You are right that many setllements will not be moved - some will become part of Israel and some part of new Pali and some will be removed.
There is more truth that Israel expelled jews from Gaza and Sinai than that Israel expelled 700k arabs. There is 100% truth to the first statement and only about 10% truth to the latter
@firstonethrough Hello. Some Arabs were imigrants. Most were indigenous. Some Jews were indigenous, most were imigrantsa. I don't think there is much serious debate about this fact in open academic environments. Israel did not "expel" Jews from Gaza; they removed illegal settlements that cost a fortune to keep up and which were there for ideological reasons. They should be doing the same on the West Bank in the interest of peace
@GirlonFilm1969 No. "Theft" would be the correct word. Israel now occupies well over the amount it was awarded at its founding... spoils of war you might say. However, Israel continues with an illegal settlement policy to gradually annex land to which it is not entitled. Moreover, it uses the strategic location of settlements to control the Palestinians and to aquire resources to which it is not entitled either- water and agricultural and building land
@antonis5784 And Greeks, and Israelis don't actually care about Kurds and Armenians do they? They just use Kurds and Armenians as a stick to beat the Turks with...especially now that Israel feels the Turks have stepped out of line. It is difficult to know what road the Palestinians may have taken given real choices. Even after Camp David and Israeli official said if he had been Palestinian he would never have accepted it; they don't get much choice, hence the terrorism
@outsidelight1 Yes it should be a crime yes! To deny and promote that 2 000 000 Armenians werent slaughtered or that the holocaust (5.7 million Jews) never existed IS in fact somewhere close to being a crime.
If people are promoting propaganda of the opposite they should be dealt with!
@antonis5784 I assume you both realize that it IS a crime in several countries to deny genocides and more countries are promoting it. Even countries with freedom of the press have limits on hate speech
I would like this channel to similarly not have hate speech, nor lies. It is important to get a broader perspective on important issues and hopefully learn something. Spewing hate and telling lies leads nowhere good.
@firstonethrough Q: At wich point in this exercise do we legally suspend criticism of Israel? If we are going to apply certain standards to the demarcation of "genocide" and associated crimes and then apply them retrospectively A) How far do we go back in demands for apologies/ compensation, B) As we go back when will we start to include other countries who should be there from the past: Greece, Bulgaria, Armenians and Russia, a multiple offender? Hate is bad;.discourse not.
@antonis5784 4 points here Tony...2 million Armenian weren't slaughtered. This would have been a good trick given that the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire in 1914 was less that 1.5 million.The number seems to grow every year The holocaust is not in doubt. And how do you propose to prevent "propaganda" you don't like? Which civil liberties are we going to suspend so that you get to hear only what you want to hear?
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moti4love 1 week ago
@moti4love you should know that many christian zionists support Israel, specially evangelicals. Of course we support the state of Israel, not extremist jews, the haredim and racist jews from Europe.
Jews will accept the Messiah, satanic false jews will never accept the Messiah
trifulquita15 6 days ago
@ propagandist for zionist hatred
finderr5 aka finders5
you repeat the same lies over and over again
you seem to forget that you have spammed the same lies less than 24 hours ago with your multiple accounts
you need to see the facts again, so here it is again - youre a cut & paste hate monger spammer
br0073012 3 weeks ago
@br0073012 you havent added anything to the discussion
firstonethrough 3 weeks ago
@firstonethrough What i did was simply point out that finders5, finderr5 is a spammer
Im sorry if you think you were engaged in a discussion - the reality is that this user, find simply cuts & pastes the same comments repeatedly on multiple videos multiple times - i suggest you google finders5 or finderr5 or look at the videos Gaza 2009, Gaza the killing zone, Uk Mp Israel acting like nazis, Israeli soldier Palestine girl - You'll find the exact same spammed comments
br0073012 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1 There is an unfortunate separation going on now. Israelis are prohibited from going to areas of the WB. Jews are forbidden from entering or praying on the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. Hopefully many of these separations will come down once the conflict stops.
But in order for that to happen, each side must 1) compromise 2) sit down and negotiate 3) communicate clearly with its people. The PA refuses to do this. Hopefully this will change soon.
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@finderr5 The Wall has been built to enable Israel to salami slice yet more land and resources from the little that Palestine has left. It is really quite obvious to us outsders that Israel is not and probably never did negotiate in good faith. The goal has always been to exercise full demographic control oer "Greter Israel". Settlements (illiegal) are the sticking points and what little the Palestinians can do does not warrant the grotesque responses of the IDF
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 I don't buy this for a minute.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 Be serious. Israel has Gaza's short coastline buttoned up so tight that they can't breath.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 I reapeat: blockade. Gaza is blockaded with essential items being kept in short supply. Nothing comes in nothing goes out without Israel's say so. That's what the Mavi Marmara was all about. Maybe you missed it. What Hamas manages to sneak in through a few tunnels and off the odd small boat hardly amounts to anything.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough This is an interesting comment. Turkey is assisting terrorists how? Turkey will pursue the PKK into Iraque and threatened to do so in Syria but didn't need to in the end. Apart from capturing Ocalan and bringing him back alive...and the key word here is "alive"..to be tried in public, Turkey does not carry out extra teritorial activity that is clearly illegal. Maybe i am wrong. Correct me..
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Turkey blew up 35 people the other week and a family of 7 the other month. This from jet bombers. Not exactly a mechanism for arresting and trying people in court.
I get the problem. Erdo wants to protect his people. It is terrible when innocent ppl get hurt in these conflicts. When a govt or separatist movement starts a fight, they must understand that civilians will get caught in the violence too. Those casualties dont inherently make the movement or defense bad
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@finderr5 Not only is it a fact that a Jewish state required the ethnic cleansing of the Arab majority, it is also undeniable that this project required racism as an underlying theme: "There is a fundamental difference in quality between jew and native." Chaim Weizman. Notice, if you will, the use of the word "native" which indicates who is the resident and also in the vernacular of the time who is inferior.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 Wilson's 14 points were very selectively applied. Some people were left out. It is a fact that on the basis of self determination the Jews would have been the minority and there would be no "Jewish" state. The Jewish state was predicated on ethnic homogeneity and therefore required the expulsion of Arabs. "One certain truth is that there is no Zionist settlement and there is no Jewish state without displacing Arabs and without confiscating land and fencing them off."
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 AIPAC is there to make Israel's voice "heard"? Rubbish. AIPAC is there to ensure Israel's voice is acted upon....where did Obama go first after he secured Democratic nomination for President? AIPAC. And boy was he sucking up to them..I mean, with Hussein as a middle name he had some serious sucking up to do..he knew where the money was and he was running a campaign.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 Campus Watch is there to supress criticism Israel- as simple as that. Israel has a massively influential lobby in the US...the Arab lobby is pathetic in comparison; it could do with a bit of exposure and the debate could do with some balance. You can quote Israeli sympathisers all day and it won't mean that everybody out there is taken in. Just about all we hear is the Israeli side
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 No it isn't. Many people who dislike Israel also dislike the US because (mainly) of the US support for Israel no matter what it does. Many people dislike just Israel. But Israel does have it's supporters....they are dwindling however. Just like me. I used to be very sympathetic to Israel...not any more. not since the last invasion of Lebanon
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 Wow, I didnt know that ,I am reading what you write.I hope you dont mind.
kyriacos40 1 month ago
Informative video
kyriacos40 1 month ago
@finderr5 AIPAC doesn't do much to express disatisfaction with Israel's policy of opprerssion in the West Bank either. When independent minded Jews in America do complain they are pilloried... this is not new either.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@finderr5 AIPAC directs American Congressional atitudes on Israel even when Israel's policy directly contradicts US interests. This is not a new idea..it has been there for a long time and along with organisations like Campus Watch helps curb criticism and monitor the press.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
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The President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Küçük has stated that with the realization of the project water will be brought to the nation from Turkey, the water problem will become history., Küçük also stated that the Greek Cypriots will also have the opportunity to benefit from the water brought in from Turkey. I call that neigbourly. Better than oil in fact.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 You've already been given several amounts of information but you'll still parrot these foolish things. If you want to live in ignorance that's your choice but stop commenting this low level bullshit to me.
GirlonFilm1969 1 month ago
@pboisei Israel is a beacon of democracy if you are Jewish...not such a beacon for an Arab. However, there is more latitude in Israel to criticise Israeli policy than in America because of the activities of organisations like AIPAC and Campus Watch...history is full of ironies.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
I want the translation in French please
houlamocheleretour 1 month ago
he talks about gaza but not its own country his biggiest fear nd problem the kurds "solution solution ?"
wwwlil 1 month ago
Turkey, go to hell and kiss the world's arse. Fucking chimps.
DieserBenuterIstCool 1 month ago
what does it take to make the world free of blood suffer and crying eyes? if we all immigrate to a different planet and come to two countries that fight each other, we wouldnt keep the fight? basically what im saying is that you must forget the past, and forgive. if you find the power to forgive, you must force the other side to forgive if you forgive too. but you never stop because the side who wouldn't forgive will feel bad with time. of you decide to stop forgiving then the war will last 4eva
MrEran1996 1 month ago
@MrEran1996 Its not forgiving thats the problemits trusting.The past makes countries not trust other countries.Wars will always happen ,because a country wants another countries resource and land.They will use whatever excuss to have the right to take and kill, like the difference of relgion or nationality.I would hope people dont forget the past,so as not to let history repeat its mistakes.I could forgive but never forget the past. I rather be paranoid then be to trusting to let my gaurd down.
kyriacos40 1 month ago
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mk181818 1 month ago
Well done, Erdogans hypocrisy is exposed by confronting his statements with facts.
I always wonder whether Turkish citizens realize the double standard of their leaders? What are secular people thinking about Erdogan?
elbenfreundin 1 month ago
@elbenfreundin Double standards....So the French never had double standards? The Israelis? Greeks? You are telling me that duplicity is unique to just the Turkish leadership or is it just you don't like their point of view and you are just hiding behind a principle of honesty...itself a manifestation of double standards.... Life is just so complicated
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 gaza is not israel we got awey from gaza we asked nothing in retern
will say again
WE GOT AWEY FROM GAZA IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN GAZA TELL IT TO HAMAS
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari Oh be sensible. Israel did not "get away from Gaza" Israel still controls Gaza. The problem is that Israel has no interest in promoting a two state solution; it never did. Gaza is an excuse. We all see through this. The problem is illegal settlements that Israel continues to expand and the fact that Israel continues to expand those settlements in a manner that destroys any possibility of a viable Palestinian state because it doesn't want one to happen.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 i think it is a philosophical quetion how can you deal with somone how telles stuff which are completly fals but yet completly convincd ? i have tons of facts for you but none of them will help here in this conversiton your mind is set ,aperntly musslem propoganda works all to well it"s man like you who will make the west fall to isslam all of it
i wish you the best god bless.
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari It is perhaps a strategic question of how to deal with people who are willfully ignorant. Some are perhaps genuinely deceived. The current global Muslim Jihad has taken many of us by surprise. Its sheer audacity and how long in the planning. The greatest weakness of their entire project is the extent to which it relies on propaganda and censorship. The truth will cut through Islam like a knife through butter. 1.2 billion under Sharia and they call them 'believers' - I think not.
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui i prey that you right brother i prey that you right
or else like in bad movie all is lost
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Are you capable of reading? I never wrote that hypocrisy is unique to Turkish leaders alone. You can find hypocrisy and double standards all over the world but this video here refers to Turkish hypocrisy so we talk about Turkish leaders and not about the French president or Israel.
elbenfreundin 1 month ago
@elbenfreundin It's the Turkish "hypocrisy" that seems to drive you all onward however. It seems to be hypocritical, not to mention pointless and possibly racist to restrict yourselves to "Turkish hypocrisy" while excluding the hypocrisy of others mentioned in the title of the video. You can't talk about the hypocrisy of others without discussing your own. Your answer is an example of sophistry, nothing more.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Well, I see your comments are not worth answering because you don't discuss the content of the video. All your "arguments" are just a diversion to make us forget the main point. A cheap trick.
elbenfreundin 1 month ago
@elbenfreundin A diversion? Hardly. You can't witter on about hypocrisy in others and not expect to be questioned about your own hypocrisy and double standards. The basic thing that I have said al along is that you can not judge the Turks by standards you do not achieve yourselves....this should be obvious.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 also remember ther was never otonomes arab country in this land lern some history befor you neet peak evry inch in israel i wonder how much you know about what is going on in arab countrys like surya or egypet and on and on
if you are looking for humaniterian problems you are not looking at the right place
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari And you have to go back in to prehistory for an "Israel"- what is your point? In 1949 the majority of people in the region were Arabs not Jews...that demographic was changed through the use of force and force continues to be used today to maintain the demographics and to ensure that there is no viable Palestinian state. What do Syria and Egypt have to do with what Israel does to people who are in its power? Israel is pretending to be a modern liberal democracy.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 omg it is alweys amazing to me how eazy it is to manover leftis by islamic propoganda, they made you belive that this extra small country is the main problem of this world , wise man once caled them usefull idiots pleas do tell me in what wey israel is still in gaza ? the reason musslems around the world hate the jews has nothing to do with setelments or to gaza all you need to know about musslems is in the quran i know also arabik you"l never find more hatfull text then this
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari Q: How is Israel still "in" Gaza? A: One word is required- "Blockade". Israel controls Gaza in all ways that are meaningful just as it controls the WB and deprives Palestinians of their civil and humanitarian rights, not to mention their national rights. Israel does this by gradually stealing land and resources thus ensuring that Palestinians will never have a meaningful independence. This is why Israel is disliked not because they are "Jewish"
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 there is somthing very arrogant about you arrogant and misinformed with your q&a however there is no houmeniterian problem in gaza the only blockedge hapens in your mind this comes from somone how has been in gaza border for 3 years however non of this will mater becuse you are already brainwashed so only undestand this last month was a pole among all palestinyans by palestinyan outoroty asking them who do you prefer to rull this land 79% said they prefer israel
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari 79% of Palestinians say they would rather Israel to control "this land" Well I have to say I don't believe that....not for an instant. Show me where it says that. Palestinians want to have their own country. They don't want to be 2nd class citizens in Israel. Many might agree to being equal citizens in Israel but that is not what is offered to them now is it? Otherwise, why does Israel need that illegal wall in the West Bank?.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
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elbenfreundin 1 month ago
great vid.
wrxturbo7 1 month ago
the daily dose for the zionazi acclamation mob.
btw, goebbels, i delete your mails w/o reading
zobielamouche1 1 month ago
Czechs support Israel!
down with turkish fascism!
whitelarry23 1 month ago
Isn't the moral indignation of this villain who allows persecution of Christians in his country, who defies freedom of press a funny thing to watch...
It seems easier to hold up a head that is empty....
nevernohijab 1 month ago 2
The Kurds, Armenians and Greeks recently asked the Israeli Navy to teach them to how to shoot up a boatload of Turks.
rachelgolem 1 month ago 2
@rachelgolem I am sure the IDF was able to help with advice on how to shoot up a boatload of Turks. Advice part 1) ensure boatload of Turks are unarmed first....
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 u should watch the videos by yours brothers in believe, how Turks and other Muslims have proclaimed they will fight and are willing to die as a martyr on this boat, so they did, so why the complain?They where so happy and willing to die they where singing hehehe imbeciles,it's in the genes.
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne ......Good...then how stupid of the IDF to oblige then don't you think? Of couirse this is not an accurate observation. Expressing a willingness to be "matryred" is not an expression of determination to die now is it?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 according to u?? watch the videos of the suicide bombers before they die how happy they are to die and go to Allah paradise, is it beckose of the 72 black eyed virgins? or beckose they are just of bunch of retards that runs in Muslim blood via inbreeding, proclaimed by the famous in breeder and child molester as a honour Mohamed,
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne Fabulous. Let's generalise shall we? Arabs are a "bunch of retards" and that rthis "runs in Muslim blood via inbreeding"..your bigotry is there for all to see. Race and intelligence are intertwined...Jews are superior; Arabs are inferior..that's what you are telling me. Islam is not a "race" but this is a very Nazi idea....we should not be surprised because Zionism and Nazism were birthed in the same stable. Thank you for showing us your true face.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 and thank u for showing yours true face! i really don't care what u think and what u say it's obvious where your education comes from " Zionism and Nazism where birthed in the same stable?"u are saying this to me? holocaust survivor? go and do yours homework boy.
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne Be of good cheer. There are many millions, ney billions, of us who are awakening to the grizzly spectre of Islam. They are making the last desperate attempt to preserve and enforce their obsolete and dreadful slaving system. Islam will fold like a house of cards before the might of reason, knowledge and wisdom. The sword of truth and the shield of freedom is ours.
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui thanks for yours support! he puts words in to my reply, did I say that Jews are superior? no, he did, but it must be something when out of all Nobel prices 180 was given to Jews, and Israelis are getting one every year, by the way my nice is marred to a Muslim Doctor his family come from Egypt, wonderful family, words like this man ousidelight full of hate never come near them, love his mothers cooking,Adore her son my nephew.There is hope.
mirawayne 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Your willful ignorance is astounding. Tell me, what of the 1,400 years of enforced Arabisation of the entire Middle East and North Africa. Not racist? Of the absolute obliteration of countless African civilisations by their Arab conquerors? Not racist? Of the 'complementary Arab' status of Africans who convert to Islam. Not racist? Name one single instance of an African owning an Arab as a slave. Mein Kampf is Jihad in German you moron!
ritchloui 1 month ago
@mirawayne 1948:"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." 1983"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Not much seems to have changed if we look at your attitude
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Hi little moron, you put your idiocy in quotes as though that makes it sound authentic. Who supposedly said those things? What is your source? UNRWA official, Sir Alexander Galloway, in April 1952: “The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die.” THAT is how you quote.
ritchloui 1 month ago
@mirawayne The willingness to die stupidly is "in the genes"...clearly you don't actually care that you come across as both ignorant and racist. You seem to wear you bigotry as a badge of pride.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Just beckose the biggest ignorant s and bigots and racists are the worshippers of Koran Islam, Muslims and u decided I'm one of this ?no thanks, my parents where not related, and u coll it racism? than u must be on of them as u don't have clue what you are saying.Small brain function I presume.
mirawayne 1 month ago
It's nice to know what's going on in this world, even though it reads like a nightmare.
When will all the evil voices in this world be silent!
shalimarsgirl 1 month ago
Ataturk would have hung Erdogan in the street instead this man was let out of prison and made Prime Minister. Turkey is now an Islamic State. Woman are already being murdered for no reason. This happened under Obama, you may think he is weak or you may think he is the enemy either way things are going to get MUCH worse.
thejihadresistance 1 month ago
Very valuable and most truthful video on dirty Turkey and filthy Erdogan.
Believe me guys, Israel doesn't need Turkey whatsoever. Jews have had always high respect and mutual understanding with kurds in Kurdistan. Therefore, a closer relations with Kurdistan is enivitable for Israel. i.e peaceful nations should come together against aggressive people. Thanks for the video.
soranB55 1 month ago
Mohammedanism is a barbarian degeneration and pathological adhesion,and has to be abolished.
The so-called "Turkey is an Anti-European and Anti-Christian project!
siriusstar10000 1 month ago
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when all the world wiil understand that israel are protected by g-d and their no any force in this world that can hurt the jewish
israel forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
refaelooooooo 1 month ago
What a hypocrite. How about helping the 4 million Sudanese who've been displaced by the Islamic Sudanese Government and their Jihadi militias? What about the 500,000 Sudanese civilians who have been slaughtered by the same since 2008? Ah, two reasons, the crimes are being committed by Islamists and secondly, the victims are African not Arab.
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui Great. And the mess in the Sudan has what to do with the way modern "democratic" and "progressive" Israel treats the Palestinians it has under its control and occupation? The Sudanese are killing eachother and this excuses Israel? African? Arab? Jew? Who cares? So don't bother with the "African babies aren't worth what Arab babies are worth" because it is an insinuation that won't stick. It is Israel that is running an apartheid style state. Palestinians don't have a state
outsidelight1 1 month ago
No Nation-state espousing Islam as its official religion deserves the respect or approbation of secular nation-states and deserves no place at the table amongst the civilized nations of the world. The sooner we can marginalize, isolate and emasculate Islamo-states, the better.
oldstock1607 1 month ago
It's very interesting, but given the enormous size, power and influence of the British Empire and, no doubt the desperate search by its enemies, they cannot find any example of a policy of extermination remotely comparable to those of its peers. Just thought I'd point that out and make her enemies tear out their hair.
ritchloui 1 month ago
Thanks alot for sharing !
Disgusting but not surprising... Islam = Lies, Hypocrisy and Evil
Do you know Pierre Rehov? He makes excellent documentaries. Go see my PlayList on him. You will appreciate his films...
God bless Israel, you, and all yours !
liduq 1 month ago
What about Pax Christis (catholic NGO) who is behind the GAZA humanitarian = war flotilla? Hamas considered a terrorist organization by EU, US, Canada and Japan, but in US, you have US Cair, in Canada, you have Canada CAIR, EU support palestinians border 1967, so they are all lying to us. Read this document : Sustaining U.S GLOBAL LEADERSHIP
PRIORITIES FOR 21st CENTURY DEFENSE
JANUARY 2012
.defense .gov/news/Defense_Strategic_Guidance .pdf
ALLIES, and our PARTNERS all around the world
marialeroux 1 month ago
Erdogan is either ignorant on the international laws or his is a liar. Ignorance is not an exucse! Lying is a crime in the US
luv5e1 1 month ago
@luv5e1 Lying is a crime in the US? Are you barking mad? If lying was a crime in the US most of Congress would be behind bars!.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
Turkey and Lebanon are contesting Israel's gas find. Nutrallahh of Hizzzbullah and ErDOGan suffer from "small man, small penis" syndrome. They need their emotional masturbation to pretend that they are "great men" but instead they only have big mouths and big guns to prove their imagined manhood
elanainisrael 1 month ago 3
@elanainisrael This is a childish comment. In case you didn't notice, Lebanon has an extensive coastline that would allow it make claims on adjacent economic zones of exploitation. Question: will Israel share some oill and gas income with the Palestinians since they too have a coastline or will they just rob them of that too? Taking a border line out to sea (which is how these things work) says that Gaza should probably get a share in Mari and Noa sites don't you think?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
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THE NEW MADMAN OF THE MIDDLE EAST
jhndl3026 1 month ago
this guy is a real asshole, I'm waiting for to ask U S to apologize for something, this asshole needs to be institutionalized.
jhndl3026 1 month ago 2
ISRAEL was in the land of Canaan by 1211BCE....
jblcva 1 month ago 2
How can ISRAEL deal with people who deny they
have a right to exist? Give me a break....
jblcva 1 month ago 2
this is a VERY important piece of vidoe.
Thank you for your hard work on making and spreading it!
eitan71 1 month ago
Erdogan talks big about his ships. He's butthurt about Leviathan and don't worry, he won't get his grimy hands on it.
GirlonFilm1969 1 month ago
Jerk's should leave their crappy provocation flotilla's at home. Then Israel will not have to slap you around and send whining to the U.N. like little girls.
noimplant4me 1 month ago 2
Long live Israel!
Shalom, love, and blessing's.
Mike
TheIggy457 1 month ago 4
Thank you for this important video! I stand with Israel!!!
cowgirlmoon 1 month ago 12
I always learn so much from your videos. Thank you for your hard work. Good job!
heyitsmejc 1 month ago 3
Turky get out of Cyprus!!!!!!!
haim221 1 month ago 10
@outsidelight1 I'm not being hypocritical - I'm just pointing out that Erdo is being one. I understand that civilians get injured in war. Its terrible. Look how many were killed in Iraq these past 10 year. Afghanistan. There are accidents in friendly fire too. With all of that weaponry, close fighting and adrenaline, unintended victims will get hurt.
I disagree that Israel targets civs. Look at the "Jenin Massacre" in 2002 where IDF went house to house to minimize civs killed
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 You bring up (indirectly) another interesting point. In no scenario in a peace agreement does Israel want a new Palestine to have a full military (such as an airforce). one can claim that infringes on their rights, but I guess if its agreed to by both parties, its a compromise that the arabs are willing to make
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 arab israelis do have full rights whether serving in the parliament, the army, whatever. they certainly do better than women in Saudi Arabia! I understand that Kurds did not have basic rights such as using their own language or culture until only a few years ago. Please share more info on this reversal of treatment (which seems positive)
As I've noted, the blockade will continue until Hams changes. U think gazans like Hams, so I see no change per the will of Gazans
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Very few Arabs serve in the IDF...some Bedouin and Circassians (remnants of genocide carried out by Russia...otherwise not much. Kurds have full civil and political rights and about 20% of MPs are Kurds reflecting their % of the popuklation. Language rights were restricted in education, media and commerce till about 12 years ago- about the same time Greece had to review its own language and religious restrictions which were similar.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Kurds have served at the top levels of government and continue to do so.... many Israeli Arabs in the government these days?.....Ever? What are the general views of Arabs held by Israeli citizens?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
Excellent Video, hypocrisy, and double standards abound, and by the sounds of it, they feel totally justified to lie and manipulate the truth, why? It's called self-imposed righteousness! They call the Jews evil so they can wipe them off the face of the earth, but their actions are NOT evil, such depravity of heart and soul, absolute evil brings about absolute wickedness. They are living and acting from in a self-willed delusion. Such unadulterated darkness. Thanks for sharing this with me.
caltch51 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Contrary to your commentary, the PKK does intend to destroy Turkey’s hard won territorial integrity; it intends to establish a Marxist state in south east Turkey. Israel won’t even accept Palestinian statehood in the small part of Palestine left to them…so please let’s not bother with more nonsense like this. The PKK has always attacked civilian targets , its very first victims were Kurds considered to be class enemies.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 I'm not sure what you mean by "hard fought". I understand the Kurds want a state in the SE where they account for about 15 million people, but have no interest in the balance of Turkey. My comment is that Hamas in Gaza wants to destroy Israel completely - a big difference from the more modest PKK goals and more akin to the arabs in the west bank seeking their own country.
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Your commentary notwithstandinTurkish presence in North Cyprus is justified and continues to be by Greek intransigence an example of which can be seen in the last referendum on reunification, the Anan plan. Greeks voted against, Turks voted for. There may not be another chance that good. Regarding threats, Erdogans says “We will not repeat their mistake. We will not attack people in international waters.” This would appear to be clear and non threatening.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Turkey is not using the "illegal entity" of the TRNC to threaten Israeli potential economic interests in the Med and has simply promised to protect its own interests in the face of constant belligerence from a petty Greek Cypriot administration. Turkey does not want “in on” Israel’s bonanza if that is what it turns out to be.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 how do you interpret Erdo's comments that "Israel will see that it has no economic claims in this area"? Does he mean off the coast of Israel? Off the coast of Cyprus in an agreed to joint venture? off northern Cyprus? All of the above?
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough This interview is punctuated by irrelevant observations…such as Turkey announcing suspension of military exercises “just when it (Israel) was sending officers to visit Nazi death camps in Poland”… a cheap and irrelevant holocaust reference which you say I keep bringing up. At no point has Turkey recognised an Armenian “Genocide” because the basis of such contention is not only debatable but laced with falsehoods.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
What are you some kind of an idiot? We as humans are programmed to survive, if the British soldiers would use deadly force maybe today they would be with families. What are you saying? The IDF commandos should have let these barbaric animals bit them up? The commandos boarded the ship with paint guns and they side arms, that is not enough for you? They didn't board the ship with the intention to kill anyone, but when you get hit with pipes you shoot, I would!!
jhndl3026 1 month ago
@jhndl3026 Well done for missing the point. British soldiers are trained to try and ensure that collateral damage is minimal. IDF soldiers are trained in an environment that informs them that collateral damage usually doesn't matter and often is the point of the exercise.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough I flatly deny the Armenian "genocide" and I have clear given reasons. Comparison between Hamas and the PKK are fatuous as you are aware but here are a few differences.. Kurds are excluded from no part of Turkey in geographical, cultural, political and economic terms; they are able to participate in national life in Turkey to whatever extent they wish and they have the same rights as all other Turkish citizens; Palestinians enjoy none of these rights in Israel
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 first, thank you for responding directly to the video! I spend a bit of time making each one so it's a shame when all of the conversations become intertwined.
1. I admit I do not know a lot about the genocide in Armenia, or Darfur or other places for that matter. I need to learn more and forums like these are helpful. While you are obviously strongly of one opinion, I hope to gather more data on the subject. please make some suggestions.
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Daniel Pipes of the MEF "Think Tank" which is actually a part of the lobby which informs much of official US thinking on Israel, thinks that solutions can not accommodate Palestinian "aspirations" but says they will accept Israel only when their will to make war has been crushed. Existing anarchy has started this process but it will be more expeditiously achieved when Israelis themselves can administer the defeat. Oct 2006 Peace Through Opression then
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Ahh now the Israeli founding myth is unravelled like a peeling onion. The fact is that from ottoman times Arabs (mostly Muslim but some Christian) were the majoritty. Even after significant Jewish migration Arabs were still a majority of 2/3... but were offered less than 45% of the land. Who would accept this bargain? You can not throw this at Palerstinians as if it were some warped version of original sin for which they must pay today. It simply won't wash.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 confused where the myth is. they didn;t like the offer so they turned it down. OK. that happens in the market every day. Theyve turned down every offer for 100 years. OK, that happens.
I dont think they like the fact that the offers over the past 100 years keep getting worse as the "salami slicing" as you say happens. I get that too. So theyll never say yes? they expect a border/offer that existed 30/50/75 years ago?
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough I don't keep bringing up the origins of Israel or the holocaust..t just pops up all over the place. However, you keep talking about Palestinians' "original sin"- they refuse the original UN deal. Who would? 45% of your land to a minority by someone else's dictat.This is relevant and it is not reasonable. Name me any people who would accept that? It is up to "civilised" "democratic" "western" Israel- in control of all the assets- to act positively for once
outsidelight1 1 month ago
It seems typical of the islamic mind set to condemn others for justified actions, while totally ignoring or trivializing their own barbaric acts.
Any reasonable minded person recognizes that the "flotilla of peace" was simple provoation against israel (what captain with a responsibility to deliver aid would chose running a military blockade over delivering the supplies peacefully via Ashdod?).
Turkey is fast becoming the next Iran.
berenjervin 1 month ago
@berenjervin I suspect that the main reasons to break the blockade is that many goods are restricted by the Israelis which are needed in Gaza...and this was a form of political demonstration..like walking up and down outside an embassy with flags and placards... but Israel is accustomed to responding in extreme ways and getting away with it; it is all a part of the ethos of the Israeli state..
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
>many goods are restricted by the Israelis which are needed in Gaza
I didnt know the palestinians were in such dire need of expired medicines and broken wheelchairs. Either way, I believe those urgently needed "supplies" are still sitting in a warehouse waiting for pickup by the palestinians.
I wonder if having one of the highest obesity rates among women has anything to do with it.
berenjervin 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
>accustomed to responding in extreme ways
I've never heard of a military blockade that wasnt enforced. Oh right, an unenforced blockade isnt a blockade!
I wouldnt consider the Israeli response to be extreme. Throughout history, the typical response is to sink the boat trying to run the blockade.
Thats probably what Israel should do next time - just torpedo the boat, that way they arent killing anyone...people are just drowning in a mishap.
berenjervin 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
>ethos of the Israeli state.
So I take it then that you dont consider near daily rocket attacks against israel to kill jews, and sending child suicide bombers isnt extreme?
Given thats been happening for decades, I'd pretty much consider that part of the ethos of palestinians, wouldnt you?
berenjervin 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
>restricted by the Israelis which are needed in Gaza
Actually, Israel lets through pretty much everything except stuff used in terrorism.
I know every kid gets promised an AK-47, but the idea that weapons are needed in Gaza is pretty "out there".
I notice you dont mention the previous blockade busting attempts where Israel DOES find missiles and weapons. Why are those so needed?
berenjervin 1 month ago
@SingSong0777 SS....Check your history. Kurds are citizens of Turkey with full rights. The PKK is a terrorist organisation.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
turkey still has not answered for the armenian genocide
100crawma 1 month ago
@100crawma ....That's because there is no case to answer.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
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amirfuter 1 month ago
And to make things clear. Do not insult me again or this conversation will be over.
I 99.9 % have more education and credentials to prove it, not in evaluation of what you wrote which I disagree, but statistic percent of the population. Dont make me regret the fact i am answering here.
antonis5784 1 month ago
And lets say the plan of putting puppet goverments in all middle east "succeds" and the Sunni become the next Shi"ites.
How long will it take for the Sunni puppet to bite back. And with all the heat in the middle east rising to boiling point, and the war, their plan can turn upside down.And then Chaos
What if instead of what the policy makers think, they are creating a monster instead.
And if this monster is lead by turkey even worse! Turkey is not an example. It hasn't got simple liberties.
antonis5784 1 month ago
Turkey never cared about the palestinians nor peace nor nothing!
It only wants Cyprus and Israels Oil, and to become the islamist_sunni policeman of the mediterrenian!
And the Palestinians have fucked up lately.
Not to say that Israel has no responsibility, it has, and a lot,
but the Palestinians have chosen the wrong road, to an already complicated problem.
antonis5784 1 month ago
@antonis5784 .... and Israel never worried about the "Turkish Issues" that worry Greeks and Armenians until Turjkey stepped out of line either. And what is "Turkey's real face" exactly? Keep it short, keep it clean and above all, keep it factual please. And remember that we need to apply the same rules of judgment to everybody
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 much of the world - including the US - lets crimes of badly behaving countries slip by until their economic interests are threatened. Look at the US ignoring acts by China and Saudi Arabia. Israel wants Turkey as an ally - but it will not let it threaten its gas discovery
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough This is not about Israel's gas discovery.... this is about Israel's inability to cope with any opposition at all, even from an ally. In America Israel resorts to the AIPAC option...against Turkey just lies.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 this comment is nonsense. there were no lies and you use AIPAC as a polite anti-semtism that jews buy votes. Understand there are millions of people in the US who love Israel on many levels. while you may not like it, it is a fact that your smears cannot change
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Ahh, the old "anti semite" thing...it never takes long. I went to university in America. I did politics, business and engineering. I know because I followed the news they way most Americans seem not to.Saying that AIPAC and allied Jewish lobby groups control US policy in the Middle East is not anti semitic, it is a fact. Even in the 1st Gulf War when the US needed Israel simply to shut up Israel continued to make problems with settlement building etc. Fact
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 u are a lier! if you did all the education u are saying u had u wouldst say all this stupid thinks u say here, the only education u had was in the desert under the Bedouin tent and it's obvious.Get a life and get a proper education.
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne I am a "lier"? What an extraordinary thing to say about someone you don't know. About what, precisely am I "lying"? The power and influence of the Israeli lobby in America? The fact that Israeli settlements in WB are an obstacle to peace? That Israel oppresses the Palestinians? That the IDF intentionally causes collateral damage during military operations? That stereotypes are sometimes right?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 I don't have to know you to say that u are a lier, it's obvious from yours stupid answers. u say say same lies printed by anti
Israeli and anti-Semitic media and what this hypocrite Erdorgan-idiot ( must be related to Ahmaidiot says same stupid words)only beckose it's convenient for yours hate of Jews, I heard it all before so u just say all the lies what others are saying, haven't got a brain to think for u self?
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne List my "lies" then you arrogant fool. Are you seriously suggesting that criticise Israel is to be anti Semitic? Are you actually suggesting that Israel is beyond reproach and incapable of fault? The accusation of anti Semitism doesn't work any more.This is a threadbear defense that no longer holds water. It just may be that people dislike Israel because of the things that Israel does not because they dislike Jewish people.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough AIPAC and its fellow Israel lobby groups not only "buys" votes but uses its financial muscle to deny votes. It has one ideology; promote Israel's interests. In the US political system, money talks. Monroe Spen for eg, a financier who campained for the Israeli right (including the settlement and Temple Mount movements and Meir Kahane): "I always live by the golden rule..Whoever has the gold makes the rules" The problem with stereotypes; they're right sometimes.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 really? So I guess you dont mind when people think that muslims are terrorists. I dont subscribe to that. There are hundreds of lobbyists in DC including arab ones. Saudi Arabia and the gulf states can buy every politician if they want. Each lobby makes their case and some prevail.
It is the oil money that unfortunately buys off too many people - "black gold" if you will. That and the fear of radical religious extremists
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough were are you from brother?
i whold love for you to come visit in israel
i will fix a nice place for you to stay if you will come
roeetsabari 1 month ago
@roeetsabari Maybe a visit to the West Bank might be more instructive.. can you arrange a nice place for him in a Palestinian refugee camp.... or Gaza?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@firstonethrough A correction is in order here....I do mind when people say Muslims are terrorists; it is inaccurate, some Muslims are terrorists not all. You also know perfectly well that the so called oil/ Saudi lobby pales into insignificance besides the Israeli lobby. Reams have been written on the Israeli lobby. Isreali leaders acknowledge its power and call on it often. It is no secret so why pretend that it is just another lobby making its case. We both know different.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 just beckose the Arabs baying and corrupting people and media like "Guardian" in UK that doesn't mean that everybody is doing it, AIPAC don't have to corrupt anybody, people with intelligence and education understand what is in stake and nobody with any understanding of peace in the world will follow this lies , comparing to low intelligence and sick following of corrupt Islam is very stupid, think if it's possible for yours brain before u say anything.
mirawayne 1 month ago
@mirawayne AIPAC is an organisation dedicated to the support of Israel through the medium of US foreign policy and aid. It does this through the application of distorted history, intimidation and the attempt to subvert the freedom of expression in the US. AIPAC is not above manipulating the US political system to get what it wants for Israel even when it is clearly against US regional interests
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@antonis5784 Exactly how have the Palestinians f####d up recently? Please put this in the context of the main issue which confounds all attempts at peace which can be summed up in one word: settlements
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 untrue. This flotilla was running to Gaza. There are no settlements in Gaza. Just a blockade against an evil govt. That blockade will not stop until Hamas changes its ways or is replaced by another govt - hopefully a single govt together with the WB. Erdo's interview has absolutely zero to do with jews living in WB. It has everything to do with finger-waving and threats of sending warships into areas that Israel has economic interests. watch the video again
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Settlements (illegal) are the issue that prevents meaningful discourse between Arabs and Isreal in the West Bank/ Gaza. Gaza is the bit that is somewhat accessible so "flotillas" are an option. Demos outside embassies are another....like the one organised in Israel outside the Turkish embassy...clearly hostile and clearly an organised circus. There are no Turkish economic interests off the coast of Israel..this is an Israeli smokescreen
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 go to the MEMRI site and watch the full video (without my text overlay, unless you understand Turkish, it might not be a problem). Erdo is clearly sending a message with his finger-waving at Israeli economic interests which he claims do not exist. His challenge of sending in "more and more and more warships" to the region should alarm anyone.
If he just plans on drilling off of the coast of Turkey, who cares? That is not the message he sent or intended to send
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 setllment not the issue
1. arabs didnt want and still dont want jews living there. that has been constant since 1920s. the fighting didnt begin in 1967
2. settlement can be moved as they were in sinai, gaza
Legality is based on 2 matters: personal and country. If a person stole an individual's property, that is theft (i agree). For a country, Ottoman/british/jordan/Israel have administered/run WB so there is no theft of "Pali" land.
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough In 1920 Jews were imigrants. In 1920 Americans didn't like imigrants who wwere not WASP eaither. They especially didn't like Jews. What is your point? Settlement can be moved? There is no will to move settlements in the West Bank..they continue to expand..this is theft. If Arabs don't want Jews "living there"- amongst them- they are merely reciprocating the sentiment that Jews have enforced through expulsions
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 You ignored my points. Arabs were immigrants too, not just jews. Settlements can and have been moved.
You are right that many setllements will not be moved - some will become part of Israel and some part of new Pali and some will be removed.
There is more truth that Israel expelled jews from Gaza and Sinai than that Israel expelled 700k arabs. There is 100% truth to the first statement and only about 10% truth to the latter
firstonethrough 1 month ago 4
@firstonethrough Hello. Some Arabs were imigrants. Most were indigenous. Some Jews were indigenous, most were imigrantsa. I don't think there is much serious debate about this fact in open academic environments. Israel did not "expel" Jews from Gaza; they removed illegal settlements that cost a fortune to keep up and which were there for ideological reasons. They should be doing the same on the West Bank in the interest of peace
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 No it's not theft. It's not occupied either. It's a disputed territory based on the armistice lines.
GirlonFilm1969 1 month ago
@GirlonFilm1969 No. "Theft" would be the correct word. Israel now occupies well over the amount it was awarded at its founding... spoils of war you might say. However, Israel continues with an illegal settlement policy to gradually annex land to which it is not entitled. Moreover, it uses the strategic location of settlements to control the Palestinians and to aquire resources to which it is not entitled either- water and agricultural and building land
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@antonis5784 And Greeks, and Israelis don't actually care about Kurds and Armenians do they? They just use Kurds and Armenians as a stick to beat the Turks with...especially now that Israel feels the Turks have stepped out of line. It is difficult to know what road the Palestinians may have taken given real choices. Even after Camp David and Israeli official said if he had been Palestinian he would never have accepted it; they don't get much choice, hence the terrorism
outsidelight1 1 month ago
I wonder why Israel even talks with Turkey.
How can you respect or trust these guys!!!!
The monster(Turkey) is showing its real face.
They cannot be trusted!
Turkey has commited the first genocides of the century. Armenia, Pontus, Asia-minor
Have the Israelis forgotten?? Have they forgotten faschism?
This is Islamist Faschism! Sad! Very sad!
antonis5784 1 month ago
@antonis5784 I can't believe you are a genocide denier.... be careful. Someone might make it a crime somewhere!!
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1 Yes it should be a crime yes! To deny and promote that 2 000 000 Armenians werent slaughtered or that the holocaust (5.7 million Jews) never existed IS in fact somewhere close to being a crime.
If people are promoting propaganda of the opposite they should be dealt with!
These are serious stuff!!!
antonis5784 1 month ago
@antonis5784 I assume you both realize that it IS a crime in several countries to deny genocides and more countries are promoting it. Even countries with freedom of the press have limits on hate speech
I would like this channel to similarly not have hate speech, nor lies. It is important to get a broader perspective on important issues and hopefully learn something. Spewing hate and telling lies leads nowhere good.
firstonethrough 1 month ago
@firstonethrough Q: At wich point in this exercise do we legally suspend criticism of Israel? If we are going to apply certain standards to the demarcation of "genocide" and associated crimes and then apply them retrospectively A) How far do we go back in demands for apologies/ compensation, B) As we go back when will we start to include other countries who should be there from the past: Greece, Bulgaria, Armenians and Russia, a multiple offender? Hate is bad;.discourse not.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@antonis5784 4 points here Tony...2 million Armenian weren't slaughtered. This would have been a good trick given that the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire in 1914 was less that 1.5 million.The number seems to grow every year The holocaust is not in doubt. And how do you propose to prevent "propaganda" you don't like? Which civil liberties are we going to suspend so that you get to hear only what you want to hear?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@antonis5784 1st Genocide of the 20th century.... SW Africa....Germany....1906...you shouldn't deny genocide.
outsidelight1 1 month ago