Free Thought - to Thunderf00t's Subscribers

[elnasser40]

for free thoughts to bear fruits it needs a gun,a big one these days,so becarfull muslims and keep ur arms up.

[TheVanillaFaceXD]

hoarder.

[Cimbolic]

@TheVanillaFaceXD

LoL!

[SirGoldComment]

I missed your point... virtues... plato bla bla bla.... i studied philosphy... yada yada...

[MexxPowers]

I dont agree with you, I free think you are a SNob. A snob takes one element of a person and bases its oppinion on that one thing. You take one thing, be it correct or not correct, and run with it. Snobbery is not free tthinking. I dont like emotionel blackmail and your looking in the wrong place, goodbye.

[Cimbolic]

@MexxPowers

You are free to disagree, MexxPowers.

[bettySwollox]

@MexxPowers

Not only are you free to disagree - as pointed out by Cimbolic - but you're also free to shit all over the English language, and throw its grammatical rules out the proverbial window. After all, who the Hell needs apostrophes and all that spelling stuff anyway? Words with two letters side-by-side are far more interesting to look at than words without them. I persoNally love to throw in an upper case letter or tWo when I write, as well. Good for you(¡) o_O

[deejin25]

I condemn them both, Dawa overeacted and needs to grow up a little. Thunderfoot as the older, more educated more popular poster, went WAY overboard compared the muslim people (all of them, not the extremists) to ants and called us gods. then advocated genocide. I unsubscribed because that was not in tone with rationalism. Two young men in need of wisdom. One much more educated man who needed some humility and "enlightenment" (something he claimed to have more of).

[Cimbolic]

@deejin25

You are very insightful, deejin.

[comethruifidie]

haha Islam got you scared Cimbolic. Fear is greater than love. I see the bitch in your eyes. Islam Stockholm syndrome got you by the balls. Thunderfoot cant hurt a fly and you know it. Islam has got over a billion motherfuckers and it needs your defense? fuckinA

[Cimbolic]

@comethruifidie

What are you gabbing about, comethrufidie?

[AlexanderEddy]

If we begin to question whether or not our thought is free, we must eventually arrive at the fact that we are confined to thinking within the languages we know.

Our language is the material used to formulate our thoughts and therefore confines us as well. It allows or prohibits the expression of concepts.

I contend that we cannot fully appreciate the limits of our thought because of this barrier, unless we learn new languages.

This is mostly off topic.

[Cimbolic]

@AlexanderEddy

I agree with you, AlexanderEddy.

Also, within a language, poetry can help us transcend the boundaries.

That is how I use poetry.

[thegaminggoose]

@AlexanderEddy language is the medium in which we express thoughts. Culture is what largely what determines them. Learning a new language is irrelevant without engaging in the discourse community that uses it - be a part of the genre. It's no mistake Westerners prefer individualism and assertions of viewpoints, while Eastern cultures value interdependence, silence and listening. Language itself will not erase indoctrination of culture, but keeping an active mind can open possibilities.

[lothrazar]

wtf? genocide? are u just making shit up out of nowhere?

blame him for what his subs do? where is your logic.

[Cimbolic]

@lothrazar

You have a good point that he cannot be held responsible for the actions of his subs.

But he could make a statement encouraging them not to make prejudicial comments and harass others. He could use his influence with them. They are, after all, HIS subs.

[ixamraxi]

@Cimbolic i didnt realize that when people choose to subscribe to you that you unwittingly inherit some form of parental responsibility to police them and ensure that they do not express their own views, especially if they can be attributed to you simply because they subscribed to you... O.o

Implying that all of his subscribers are children that need to be monitored works to your detriment, as it makes you look like the one making assumptions while claiming righteousness.

[Cimbolic]

@ixamraxi

If you know they are prejudiced and hateful and you focus their attention on what you know will become a target of that hate and prejudice, it is your moral responsibility to discourage their expression of hate.

Hate is NOT thought.

[ixamraxi]

@Cimbolic - Moral Responsibility?? So your attempting to say that inaction is culpable? Can I say that your inaction in freeing Tibet makes you morally responsible for China's occupation? Do you thus hate Tibetans? Seriously, there is no moral responsibility to manipulate other people into doing what YOU consider the right thing. Morality cannot be policed, to do so is immoral. Hate is not thought, but policing hate is a passive aggressive form of hate. Irony much?

[Cimbolic]

@ixamraxi

His action set in motiion the action of others. To the extent that he can call them back from immoral action and does not, he is culpable.

[ixamraxi]

@Cimbolic - His action? Posting videos? DId he say in his videos "I want you to go to Cimbolic's videos and post really mean spiteful prejudiced comments!"? If he did not, then he has no right to admonish people for expressing their own freedoms simply because they coincidently agree with him. It would be different if he commanded his subscribers to go out and spread hate and bigotry, but he never did. Free will is still free, and it seems your own hate is showing.

[n8glenn]

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. People must have freedom of thought, they must have freedom of religion, otherwise, how could they possibly have free speech? When we treat muslims like criminals for being criminals, we abridge their freedom of thought, and when we demand they make political statements we provide for them, without even listening when they say what we want, we're abridging their freedom of speech too.

[Cimbolic]

@n8glenn

I agree completely, n8.

[n8glenn]

@Cimbolic Check out this comment left for Dawah -- "#

Wrath0fKhan Soon we will penetrate into your brains, into the very stuff the thoughts are made of. There wont be any hiding place. Better act fast if you want to gain some advantage. The moment of the fulcrum, which will bring Islam doom, is approaching fast... 1 hour ago

"

[Cimbolic]

@n8glenn

It's full of hate. Thunderf00t has said nothing to stop this.

I am uploading a video now that points this out and asks people to unsubscribe from Thunderf00t.

[n8glenn]

@Cimbolic That's a great idea. Thunderfoot needs to be exposed as a hate monger, not a "guardian of freedom". I find it quite illuminating how people are unable to comprehend that he threatened the muslims of the world. If a muslim said such things, they'd easily recognize it as the insane over the top threat which it is, but if you say that to a muslim it doesn't count, because their lives don't count.

[Cimbolic]

@n8glenn

Exactly, n8.

[neocreativesoul]

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." - Yoda

[Cimbolic]

@neocreativesoul

Yoda !

[askirojadu]

You covered the positives now lets look at the downside of being a free thinker so that potential "would be" free thinkers know what they are getting into:

1. Sometimes you have to go against the majority, friends, family, and personal heroes

2. Your free thoughts could cause you a lot of pain especially if you are vocal

3. Free thought requires you to consider a myriad of different of options which is a lot of work

4. Self criticism isn't for everyone

5. You make more decisions.

[Cimbolic]

@askirojadu

All true, askirojadu.

It is not easy. But life is richer, if more painful.

[firefox8192]

you remind me of Dr. Rendal Mabye he was a philosopher, a "hilbilly" from West Virginia. man i could hang with Chomsky all day and not get enough. it is strange how mainstream media ignors the likes of Chomsky and focus on Shaun Hannidy

[Cimbolic]

@firefox8192

:-)

Well, Chomsky makes on think, and Hannity makes it easy not to think. :)

[LordMalice6d9]

@Cimbolic, I was wondering do you ever give to any charities?

[Cimbolic]

@LordMalice6d9

Yes, LordMalice.

[LordMalice6d9]

@Cimbolic Oh just wondering.

[firefox8192]

i am curious how did u become such and intellectual. ur KOOL!

have u ever read Noam Chomskys' works

[Cimbolic]

@firefox8192

Thanks, firefox.

I've read a little Chomsky. Not nearly enough! I find linguistics fascinating.

When I was 14 years old, my girlfriend's mother gave me all of her deceased husband's philosphy books. He had been a philsophy major in college.

So, I've just kept reading and thinking.

[LittleBlueBird]

I very much enjoyed your thoughts on where the hate comes from, as well as the writings you shared.

"Prejudice squints when it looks and lies when it talks."

- Laure Junot

[Cimbolic]

@LittleBlueBird

That's a great quotation, LittleBlue!

Thanks very much.

[Censeo]

Prejudice is something we're all born with it seems. Same goes with the sheep mentality. Both serve a purpose. The purpose is that we make sense of the world quickly... so we don't get paralysed and start doubting all that we do. But of course, there is a point where these traits will be our fall. We should not blame people just for having prejudice for this reason. We should encourage them still to loose them. Struggling with these default traits is a virtuous life worth pursuing.

[Cimbolic]

@Censeo

I absolutely agree with you, Censeo.

[Anekantavad]

@Censeo Very very well put. Again, I will let the Muslims speak for their own faith, but to me, what you just described in the last sentence is the real jihad. I call it virtue (my 'hero' was always Socrates), but whatever name you call it, that struggle is something in and of itself.

[Censeo]

@Anekantavad thanks Anekantavad. It has to start somewhere and that is within yourself. Most people just think prejudice is something only bad people have. This is a hinder to even begin the struggle, because you try any mental gymnastic to not label yourself a bad person. If you realize good people have these traits, you might just be more inclined to find your own.

[aussielung]

@Censeo I do not agree that we are born with prejudice. We learn prejudice from people around us and the struggle is to let go of what others tell us is true and find the truth ourselves.

Giving up prejudice is easy if you are willing to try,

[Censeo]

@aussielung You're kind of right, we're actually born with uncritical thinking, which is why we learn falsehoods so easily.

[aussielung]

@Censeo A truer word has never been spoken.

[HyperPearl]

Machiavelli had some theories about using fear/religion to control people too, i believe.

Good and intellectual video!

[Cimbolic]

@HyperPearl

Thanks, HyperPearl.

Ah, "The Prince" !

[Darw1n1st]

Thanks for sharing. Cheers.

[Cimbolic]

@Darw1n1st

Yup. Lots of venom spewed. Very disheartening.

But we will improve it.

[Cimbolic]

@Darw1n1st

Cheers, Darwin. Good to see you.

[Anekantavad]

Forgot to mention that you're spot on with the insane criticism. It was that which finally tipped the scales for me.

[Anekantavad]

Superb and well reasoned, Cimbolic.

Thunderf00t fell prey to arrogance. His subscribers fell prey to greed. I'm too biased to to criticize DawahFilms ... heh heh

[Cimbolic]

@Anekantavad

Thank you, my friend. By the way, you are a very compassionate human being.

[Anekantavad]

@Cimbolic Very kind of you.

[Cimbolic]

@Anekantavad

:-)