@riric666 well, if you founded a band with a revolutionary new sound, then coined a new term for your music that sounds like nothing before, and a few years later people would say you're not that genre you invented for yourself, you'd protest, too. if anything, darkthrone and mayhem aren't black metal and venom are.
@riric666 yes yes yes. Tom Fischer, and Martin Ain, themselves admitted that Hellhammer wasn't anymore than a Venom rip off. While HH is considered a pioneer Death Metal band,(I do) as well as Frost, I'd say that Venom has a place in influencing the genre. Black, Speed Thrash, Death, The later bands, expanded on the idea and added to the sound or came up with some new ideas and approach as well as make-up ha ha. It all comes from the same place though.
Well not weird. But way diffrent. Image coming from children of bodom and megadeth to this. Correct me, but this is like funeral death metal, and its supposed to be sad and depressing. And the lyrics are like gutiral growl but really low?
Funeral Doom, Death, take your pick. I prefer to call it Funeral Doom, because that label to me is hilarious, but it fits. Gloom Core? There's one for ya.
@MDNSBS Where'd you get Death Metal? This is usually referred to as "Funeral Doom". I certainly don't refer to this as "Death Metal". I don't refer to Slayer as Death Metal, for that matter, either. In fact, I think about 90 per cent of the bands that are labeled as "Death Metal" , don't even fit the description, just because they play Sabbath on speed riffs and growl like a bear, the sound doesn't make it "Death Metal" to me, just so the little trendies can find where they're at.
@MDNSBS Hardly any "Death Metal" bands truly concentrate on the subject of "Death", so, how does that make Slayer any more "Death Metal" than this anyway? This band spends most of the time ruminating on that subject, even more than Slayer. Which I always thought of as thrash B movie horror type of band anyway. I don't care what the trendies call it.
@AgentHomer it's not the heaviness, as in loud and punishing, that I'm implying. it's the particular atmosphere, that the band is going for. to me, there's different kinds of "heavy", when you get right down to it. I listen to doom and thrash, stuff like SWANS, My Bloody Valentine, Neubauten. All different degrees of "heavy" in my opinion.
@AgentHomer Genres? I don't care about genres anymore. What I care about is, if a band or a certain form of music is interesting to me. I'm too old to care about "scenes" anymore. Thrash, Speed, and whatnot, seems all interchangeable, when you get right down to it. I'll let the trendies give a shit about all that.
@swans1997 to me, genres are a means to an end. they make describing music easier (in some cases). otherwise I don't really care about genres either, I care about expression. what I said was just to end your slayer/death metal discussion, which seemed pretty ridiculous to me. I don't like arguments like these, exactly because genres are not so important to me.
@AgentHomer I think of Slayer as a Thrash band, but to me they had elements of Black Metal as well as Death there too. I just think THRASH, isn't the perfect label for them, personally. I think they transcend genres, like Celtic Frost did. They both are influential on bands who fall into the Death Metal area. Slayer may not be a proper Death Metal band, but, some of their topics fall into that area, don't you think?
@swans1997 what do you mean, fall in the death metal area? you mean the tampa scene? slayer is from L A I believe, and celtic frost are from switzerland. about the topics: yes, they do talk about death. just like exodus, metallica candlemass, black sabbath and tom waits.
@AgentHomer Fall in the Death Metal area, as in where the music is coming from, in terms of lyrics, outlook and sound, I didn't mean geographically speaking, that's a good one though, ha ha.
@AgentHomer To me genres aren't always a means to an end. Genres often get confused or mutate into something other than what it was. Happened to Punk as well as Goth.Take a band like Venom, who coined the "Black Metal" thing than are later denied that title by those who purloin the term for themselves and start their own scene. To me Venom was and IS Black Metal.
@swans1997 punk mutated? you mean, there are punk rock bands, that don't sound like the sex pistols/ramones/clash (who also sound very much alike)? And goth rock in my ears still sounds the same after all those years (thank god/satan/Peter murphy, or whoever was responsible). but I guess I know what you mean. I still don't get why genres are not always a means to an end. is a genre some kind of badge you earn? an honorific title?
@AgentHomer What i meant was punk mutated from it's original intent and outlook, into the MTV commercialized, sanitized, crap, that will barely offend mommy and daddy.If your parents are old punkers, Green Day will probably just elicit guffaws. Goth? Still the same? Depends on whom you ask, I think not, for the most part, what happened to punk happened to goth.
I read in an old interview online a few yrs. back that Lia was the name of one of the members deceased girlfriend's. I can't remember though if it was the keyboardist or the vocalist. I can't find that damn interview either anymore. When I do, I'll post the link.
Why'd they give you a bad rating? honest question I thought. some just CAN'T accept an opinion and cowardly mark you off, without letting you know who it is. Doomsters my ass! WIMPS!
I searched for some Swans songs, as I had never heard of them before. Maybe that particular style of acoustic warbling resonates with you personally, but as for "depressiveness" in general, I can't see that they have anything on bands like Shape of Despair, and Skepticism. Another example: "This Will Destroy You - Quiet" is a hundred times more depressing than any of the Swans songs I had a listen to just now. Establishment of mood trumps Cobainesque expressions of self-pity. My 2 cents.
Cool so you gave an awesome band a chance.Sounds like you need to hear more though. Download some albums like Soundtracks For The Blind or Cop. Greed And Holy Money are good ones too. They weren't all about accoustic warbling and you aren't going to tell me Goddamn The Sun isn't depressing.There's more to being depressing than playing slowed down Sabbath and growling like a bear.I like Skepticism a lot but they really aren't that much of a stretch in the originality sweepsteaks. MY TWO CENTS.
I agree, there is much music I find incredibly depressing that is not Doom or Metal at all. I'll d/l the stuff you recommend from soulseek if I can find it, I guess it's just me personally, if I think someone is a "navel-gazer" I pretty quickly dismiss it.
No navel gazer here. I put this clip up didn't i? Ilove this band and Until Death overtakes Me and such.All kinds really classical, jazz, metal, goth, psychedelia No, Swans is a great band to look into. They weren't exactly dark, not that they wanted to be but it was heavy brutal and nihilistic music and often gorgeous in my humble opinion.Send me a pm. let's chat tunes you sound like someone I could talk music with.
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Taunt61 3 months ago
I'm from Finland.
And now I can be proud of that fact.
Fuck yeah \m/
guitarbassist95 5 months ago
@guitarbassist95 Hey ,you guys have a cracking band here. Love them. I'm in the U.S. tell them to come to Seattle for me!
swans1997 5 months ago
@guitarbassist95 you listened to Wormphlegm?
WrathOfTheTyrants 4 months ago
@WrathOfTheTyrants No, but I will listen now.
guitarbassist95 4 months ago
@WrathOfTheTyrants I have **shivers**
Pryce2112 4 months ago
@Pryce2112 haha nice.
WrathOfTheTyrants 4 months ago
HAVE A NICE DAY
(skepticism kicks fuckin ass)
opeth41 5 months ago
This song just makes me feel like, I understand the world a bit better, or i am at least at a peace with it.
xSkarprox 6 months ago
Venom Black Metal? Slayer a touch of Death /Black Metal?
NO,NO,NO
riric666 11 months ago
@riric666 well, if you founded a band with a revolutionary new sound, then coined a new term for your music that sounds like nothing before, and a few years later people would say you're not that genre you invented for yourself, you'd protest, too. if anything, darkthrone and mayhem aren't black metal and venom are.
AgentHomer 11 months ago
@AgentHomer
Influenced ,yes but the zic is not Black Metal ! Slayer is THRASH only !
riric666 11 months ago
@riric666 the zic? who are they? and I never said anything about slayer. I was talking about venom only.
AgentHomer 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@AgentHomer
I don't speak to you,i speak just about this comment
"I think of Slayer as a Thrash band, but to me they had elements of Black Metal as well as Death there too. "
riric666 11 months ago
@riric666 yes yes yes. Tom Fischer, and Martin Ain, themselves admitted that Hellhammer wasn't anymore than a Venom rip off. While HH is considered a pioneer Death Metal band,(I do) as well as Frost, I'd say that Venom has a place in influencing the genre. Black, Speed Thrash, Death, The later bands, expanded on the idea and added to the sound or came up with some new ideas and approach as well as make-up ha ha. It all comes from the same place though.
swans1997 11 months ago 2
is this a remixed version? the album I have sounds different.
LunaVeau 1 year ago
My fuckin favorite (L)
SerafinaDoom 1 year ago
9 dislikes. Thanks for stopping by, BUTTROCKERS.
swans1997 1 year ago 2
2:04 sends shivers down my spine
MDNSBS 1 year ago
Skepticism refleja el verdadero espíritu del FUNERAL DOOM, Eterna muerte para todos
zyklonb626 1 year ago
6:22 ...amazing moment of this song...
Trotsky87 2 years ago
i like song...is very epic
amoreemusica1989 2 years ago
This song is breathtaking.
Juggler358 2 years ago
gli skepticism sono i re del funeral
Ramingo17 2 years ago
Funeral doom metal is awesome music. This song is fantastic. Skepticism rules. Finnish doom metal ftw.
TheSymmachus 2 years ago 16
It is really good sound =)
JoaoAntonioCardoso 2 years ago
Have you seen those live clips from their recent tour that people posted? Check out the "Skepticism The Arrival" clip here. Nice.
swans1997 2 years ago
This is arguably the most depressing song in doom metal.
SlaytanicPOWER 2 years ago
Check out the live clip for THE ARRIVAL from their 2008 tour. I just saw it a couple days ago, and have been playing it quite frequently. Beautiful.
swans1997 2 years ago
I like their use of the organ, slow drums, and minimalistic guitar. Makes me think of Therion at 6:23. Very well structured!
1977Animals 2 years ago
Genius
Aserikoth 2 years ago
Well not weird. But way diffrent. Image coming from children of bodom and megadeth to this. Correct me, but this is like funeral death metal, and its supposed to be sad and depressing. And the lyrics are like gutiral growl but really low?
COB4evr 2 years ago
Funeral Doom, Death, take your pick. I prefer to call it Funeral Doom, because that label to me is hilarious, but it fits. Gloom Core? There's one for ya.
swans1997 2 years ago
Funeral Doom lol. Its like an ironic name to me. Never heard of Gloom Core. I Believe you'd be good at making music genres :)
COB4evr 2 years ago
@swans1997 deffinatly not death metal, slayer is about 200bpm faster than this
MDNSBS 1 year ago
@MDNSBS Where'd you get Death Metal? This is usually referred to as "Funeral Doom". I certainly don't refer to this as "Death Metal". I don't refer to Slayer as Death Metal, for that matter, either. In fact, I think about 90 per cent of the bands that are labeled as "Death Metal" , don't even fit the description, just because they play Sabbath on speed riffs and growl like a bear, the sound doesn't make it "Death Metal" to me, just so the little trendies can find where they're at.
swans1997 1 year ago
@MDNSBS Hardly any "Death Metal" bands truly concentrate on the subject of "Death", so, how does that make Slayer any more "Death Metal" than this anyway? This band spends most of the time ruminating on that subject, even more than Slayer. Which I always thought of as thrash B movie horror type of band anyway. I don't care what the trendies call it.
swans1997 1 year ago
@swans1997 slayer = thrash metal Skepticism = Funeral Doom Metal
it's not so hard.
AgentHomer 1 year ago
@AgentHomer it's not the heaviness, as in loud and punishing, that I'm implying. it's the particular atmosphere, that the band is going for. to me, there's different kinds of "heavy", when you get right down to it. I listen to doom and thrash, stuff like SWANS, My Bloody Valentine, Neubauten. All different degrees of "heavy" in my opinion.
swans1997 1 year ago
@swans1997 I never talked about heaviness, that was a misunderstanding: I meant, it's not so hard to guess which genre it is.
AgentHomer 1 year ago
@AgentHomer Genres? I don't care about genres anymore. What I care about is, if a band or a certain form of music is interesting to me. I'm too old to care about "scenes" anymore. Thrash, Speed, and whatnot, seems all interchangeable, when you get right down to it. I'll let the trendies give a shit about all that.
swans1997 1 year ago
@swans1997 to me, genres are a means to an end. they make describing music easier (in some cases). otherwise I don't really care about genres either, I care about expression. what I said was just to end your slayer/death metal discussion, which seemed pretty ridiculous to me. I don't like arguments like these, exactly because genres are not so important to me.
AgentHomer 1 year ago
@AgentHomer I think of Slayer as a Thrash band, but to me they had elements of Black Metal as well as Death there too. I just think THRASH, isn't the perfect label for them, personally. I think they transcend genres, like Celtic Frost did. They both are influential on bands who fall into the Death Metal area. Slayer may not be a proper Death Metal band, but, some of their topics fall into that area, don't you think?
swans1997 1 year ago
@swans1997 what do you mean, fall in the death metal area? you mean the tampa scene? slayer is from L A I believe, and celtic frost are from switzerland. about the topics: yes, they do talk about death. just like exodus, metallica candlemass, black sabbath and tom waits.
AgentHomer 11 months ago
@AgentHomer Fall in the Death Metal area, as in where the music is coming from, in terms of lyrics, outlook and sound, I didn't mean geographically speaking, that's a good one though, ha ha.
swans1997 11 months ago
@AgentHomer To me genres aren't always a means to an end. Genres often get confused or mutate into something other than what it was. Happened to Punk as well as Goth.Take a band like Venom, who coined the "Black Metal" thing than are later denied that title by those who purloin the term for themselves and start their own scene. To me Venom was and IS Black Metal.
swans1997 1 year ago
@swans1997 punk mutated? you mean, there are punk rock bands, that don't sound like the sex pistols/ramones/clash (who also sound very much alike)? And goth rock in my ears still sounds the same after all those years (thank god/satan/Peter murphy, or whoever was responsible). but I guess I know what you mean. I still don't get why genres are not always a means to an end. is a genre some kind of badge you earn? an honorific title?
AgentHomer 11 months ago
@AgentHomer What i meant was punk mutated from it's original intent and outlook, into the MTV commercialized, sanitized, crap, that will barely offend mommy and daddy.If your parents are old punkers, Green Day will probably just elicit guffaws. Goth? Still the same? Depends on whom you ask, I think not, for the most part, what happened to punk happened to goth.
swans1997 11 months ago
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AgentHomer 1 year ago
@MDNSBS slayer is thrash metal.
TheHevquip 1 year ago
Hm, the other version doesn't have an organ, and the main part of the song is in piano. I think I like it better.
flyDEVIL 3 years ago
10:36 "HAVE A NICE DAY" xDDDDD
hjkjihjuihgug 3 years ago
classic of funeral doom...
RussOzzfan 3 years ago 3
That was intense. Almost made me tear up.
flyDEVIL 3 years ago
one of life's great questions is...who is Lia?
crugad 3 years ago 2
I read in an old interview online a few yrs. back that Lia was the name of one of the members deceased girlfriend's. I can't remember though if it was the keyboardist or the vocalist. I can't find that damn interview either anymore. When I do, I'll post the link.
swans1997 3 years ago
cheers man, it was bugging me
crugad 3 years ago
Ha Ha they gave you a bad rating. I know someone here may be itching to give me one, but It's MY CLIP so they can do what they want! I ain't budgin'!
swans1997 2 years ago
Why'd they give you a bad rating? honest question I thought. some just CAN'T accept an opinion and cowardly mark you off, without letting you know who it is. Doomsters my ass! WIMPS!
swans1997 2 years ago
some of the most depressing songs I heard in my life.
insightliviu 3 years ago 2
HA HA compared to stuff like Swans? I don't think so.I like this band but, Michael Gira wrote some GORGEOUS nihilistic classics in my opinion.
swans1997 3 years ago
I searched for some Swans songs, as I had never heard of them before. Maybe that particular style of acoustic warbling resonates with you personally, but as for "depressiveness" in general, I can't see that they have anything on bands like Shape of Despair, and Skepticism. Another example: "This Will Destroy You - Quiet" is a hundred times more depressing than any of the Swans songs I had a listen to just now. Establishment of mood trumps Cobainesque expressions of self-pity. My 2 cents.
captainsharkey 3 years ago
Cool so you gave an awesome band a chance.Sounds like you need to hear more though. Download some albums like Soundtracks For The Blind or Cop. Greed And Holy Money are good ones too. They weren't all about accoustic warbling and you aren't going to tell me Goddamn The Sun isn't depressing.There's more to being depressing than playing slowed down Sabbath and growling like a bear.I like Skepticism a lot but they really aren't that much of a stretch in the originality sweepsteaks. MY TWO CENTS.
swans1997 3 years ago
I agree, there is much music I find incredibly depressing that is not Doom or Metal at all. I'll d/l the stuff you recommend from soulseek if I can find it, I guess it's just me personally, if I think someone is a "navel-gazer" I pretty quickly dismiss it.
captainsharkey 3 years ago
No navel gazer here. I put this clip up didn't i? Ilove this band and Until Death overtakes Me and such.All kinds really classical, jazz, metal, goth, psychedelia No, Swans is a great band to look into. They weren't exactly dark, not that they wanted to be but it was heavy brutal and nihilistic music and often gorgeous in my humble opinion.Send me a pm. let's chat tunes you sound like someone I could talk music with.
swans1997 3 years ago
hey if you use soulseek my user name is the same there as here.
swans1997 3 years ago
Gira is HARDLY one for self pity. One , shouldn't judge on the first few listens, and do some fucking research before judging.
swans1997 2 years ago
6.23 - 7.05 <3 <3 <3
officially started moshing at that point..
vim92 3 years ago
Stream brought words
and Stream brought meanings
Through its aether were seen all beings
beauty revealed as cruelty
Core of grief as death of desire
Stream flow in depth unmatched
crossed a statue with no hearing
March came colder than invited
crossed a realm of two endings
Stream to a sea had started turning
filrut 3 years ago 10
THE END OF EVERYTHING
arrostimenos 3 years ago 2
Or is it?
swans1997 3 years ago
Best song ever written.
Doom rule number 3 "Every day is a funeral"
ChubbyDoomDoom 3 years ago 6
yup, it's doom alright
krisbr 3 years ago
Doom definitely.
swans1997 3 years ago
Doom or be doomed!
Nosunrise 3 years ago