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Im going to be at the Ala Moana Mall in a yellow T-shirt that reads "I am the CHUBBY PEKINGESE" for the 4th of July to see the Independence Day firework show.
I think the important question that that people who want an independent Hawai'i chose not to ask themselves is, how many people for your cause are willing to die for your cause?
History will tell you that attempting cessession from the USA wont be pretty.
You dont even have the numbers enough to fiil one of the military bases on your tiny island state.
I think you fail to thnk in worst case scenarios of what a "war" would do to Hawai'i.
The island couldnt even withstand a prolonged blockade.
@chubbypekingnese. And how many times to I gotta say that Hawaii is NOT legally part of America! Therefore, Hawaii does NOT need to "secede" from the "Union" Why do you believe that America will go to war against a peaceful nation!? They know what they did was wrong! They even admitted it pubically! Unless they like show that they are evil, which they are! You need to see pass the properganda and do some research on this! Who could blame that this is rubbish? But it is true!
@UniteHawaii I dont think you really understand the word LEGAL. No court has determined that Hawai'i isnt a part of the US. If they have please let us know. Your opinion doesnt determine what is or isnt LEGAL.
Hawai'i isnt a nation. It is a state, the 50th state of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Hawai'i has a state government and flys the US flag along with the Hawai'i STATE flag.
The US doesnt really need to go to war to stop a secession. There arent enough people on your side to warrant it.
If you only knew...the same thing happened in the Americas. European Colonist come over to Americas and Seize Our Indigenous Land and call it theirs and have everyone thinking they have Lawful Right to be here. Commiting all types of Crime in the name of America. European Colonist need to go back to Europe!!!! Destroy of the Earth, Devours of nations... This Land belongs to The Aboriginals.. Time to go home. Your not wanted here!!!
@KajiraSpirit I think that if you really put some thought into what you say. You would realize that when European colonists came to the Americas there wasnt a UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Even the indiginous peoples of the Americas are from someplace else.
Unfortunately for people like youself who have classified yourself as a victim. Your ancestors werent strong enough to stop the colonists from pushing them aside. It was simply survival of the fittest and your ancestors werent the fittest.
@chubbypekingnese European Colonist still come to American. They are the one who established THE UNITED STATES CORPORATION and named it THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, before then The Continential America was Called Amexem.
As for who's the fittest nature will take care of its own, as for all others it will discard. My Ancestor have survived much and always been protected by The Great Mother.
I've entertain ignorance long enough. May the Lord keep you, and protect you. Peace and Love.
@KajiraSpirit You entertain ignorance is a correct statement because you live in a hopefull fantasy world where you will one day live again in a world that has a Hawai'ian kingdom.
Hawai'ians are American and most of them enjoy the freedoms that living under a democracy gives them.
A monarchy doesnt give them those freedoms.
No where in history do you have a nation that relinquishes democracy for a dictatorship or monarchy without tyranny.
@chubbypekingnese. Once again, you are not understanding of what I said before! The Hawaiian Kingdom system of government WAS democratic! Comare to America, in my opinion between the HK and America, ranks 2ND RATE! Certain people because of their race--race, couldn't become actual citizens of the U.S. back then. In the HK, no matter what race you are, you can apply for citizenship and become a Hawaiian with equal rights! Also, back then, women were not given voting rights. In the HK, CONT>
@chubbypekingnese. CONT> women had the right to vote just as much as men did. And finally, what you claim historically that a monarchy does not give any "freedoms" may depend on the monarchy, but in OUR system of monarchy, your wrong! The HK had sorts of freedoms! Unlike certain monarchies in the world, our Kings and future rulers, VOLUNTARILY RELINQUISHED THEIR POWER! Not by the request or force by the people, but by their own belief! That's a fact! So compare to America, is that democracy?
@UniteHawaii I dont think that the tribes that were "united" by King Kamehamea relinquished their power voluntarily. Unless you call being driven to your death off a cliff voluntary.
The "movement" to have Hawai'i cede from the USA requires that you take away the peoples freedom of speech because the majority of the people of Hawai'i like being the 50th state and as long as they keep expressing that your little group will just be making noise.
@chubbypekingnese. Once again for the final time, Hawaii DOES NOT to "cede" from the United States. It is not legal U.S. territory! And are you saying that my country had no freedom of speech!? Give me a break! Freedom of speech was part of the 1st Hawaiian Constitution for your information! And that was in the 1840's! What don't you start looking upon our countrys history instead of making assuptions! Things are not what they seem!
@chubbypekingnese. Well the reason why the people of Hawaii like being Americans is because either they don't know about their history, which is a much more creditable explanation, or if they DO know their history, but are still proud to be Americans is no shame is because one possible explanation is because they are still alive and trying to make light of a dark time, even though patriotically, they are Hawaiians. (Nationality). I, myself, is proud to be an American because I am making....
@chubbypekingnese CONT> something of myself and futhermore, still alive in all aspects. But as I said, even though I may be proud of being an American, I am still against of what the United States Government did to my country, its people, and my Queen. Henceforth, I am a Hawaiian Nationalist Patriot.
@UniteHawaii I believe that Hawai'ians who are proud to be American are so because they know their history and prefer to be a part of a democracy rather than a monarchy.
Hawai'i will never get be its own nation. Her fate was sealed when she became a state. A hand full of people won't change that.
Like it or not you and your grand kids will die with the U.S. flag flying over Hawai'i as the 50th state of the union.
@chubbypekingnese. Hmm. Maybe. But the people who know our history would know that Hawaii was one of the first democratic monarcies in the world! The Kings, themselfs, voluntry relinquished their power over the years. Not by pressure by the people, but their own thinking of their people's well-being. Even though Hawaii may be the so-called 50th State, much less U.S. Territory, there is no documantion to prove that it is LAWFULLY. Ruled out by the World Court itself!
@UniteHawaii Hawai'i isnt the so called 50th state it IS the 50th state of the union.
Hawai'i's history isnt as peaceful as people as hawai'ians would hace people believe. King Kameamea brought the islands together by driving his opposition off a cliff. I dont think you can say that the people of the other islands were ruled voluntarily.
But neither here or there. Hawai'i isnt simply a U.S. territory. It's a state. So give up the pipe dream of an independent Hawai'i.
@chubbypekingnese. So? And America's founding fathers, much less George Washington, did not do the same to their opposition??? Same thing! America did just the same! When I ment "U.S. territory" I ment SOVERIGN territory. In other words like for example, the Falkland Islands is part of British territory. I didn't ment U.S. GOVERNMENTAL Territroy like Guam and Samoa is under. U.S. territory or so-called 50th State, Hawaii is still NOT legally U.S soverign territory! No treaty of annexation!
@UniteHawaii Like I said. It isn't a "so called" state. It is a state.
Look up your history. No state or states leave the union without blood shed. Some have already tried and failed and they had a little muscle to make their case.
You are among a hand full of people that either fail to see or choose to ignore the simple fact that without the US. Hawai'i would be a Japanese territory.
The only reason that Hawai'i has an economy is because another nation chose to make it theirs.
@chubbypekingnese. Oh, boy! Maybe you missed that part that I explained! Theres NO TREATY OF ANNEXATION. Hence no matter if U.S Govermental Territory or State of the Union, Hawaii is NOT part of the U.S. because theres NO TREATY! And no, I'm not ignoring the fact that Hawaii would've been invaded from another country. What difference does it make? No difference! And speaking of history specifically in this case, Japan was actually going to become a part of Hawaii! Did not know that?
@UniteHawaii Look around you and count how many people want Hawai'i to be it's own soveriegn nation.
You are among a hand full of people.
By a huge majority, most of the people who live in Hawai'i not only agree that Hawai'i is a part of the US. They want to be a part of the US and our proud to be the 50th state of the union.
@chubbypekingnese. Hawaii actually is a soverign nation. The government just needs to be re-instated, which was an agreement between our Queen and President Cleaveland. The U.S. Government just refused to do it despite the fact what their diplomat did! Your may be right. There maybe a handful of people who wants Hawaii to restored, but the other majority is either proud to be American but wants our country back, or they don't know the history, or they are proud to be American....
@chubbypekingnese. CONT> regardless of them knowing the history of their country and what had happend to it, which I cannot say anything about that. I have no problem against people who are proud to be Americans in general. I'm not sure what may happen in the future, but I'm still going to educate the people of Hawaii and the world of what Hawaii is and what happend to it! And who knows, the numbers who want Hawaii to be restored will increase. In fact, people are getting more aware!
@UniteHawaii You obviously do have a problem with those Hawai'ians who are proud to be American because their pride of being American is what is hampering your movement for Hawai'i to become it's own sovereign territory.
If I were you I'd focus my energy on another cause because the idea that Hawai'i separating from the union is a lost cause.
@chubbypekingnese. I did not say I have a problem with anyone being proud of being an American. And once again, Hawaii does not need to separate from the "Union" ITS NOT U.S. TERRITORY FROM THE BEGINNING!! EVEN AFTER AMERICAN FORCES INVADED HAWAII AND ANNEXED IT TO THE U.S. THERE IS NO TREATY! NO TREATY! NO TREATY! NO TREATY! So legally, under Inernational Law and ruled out by the World Court, Hawaii is still its own soverign territory!
@UniteHawaii Internationally, people reckognize that Hawai'i IS apart of the US. People who are born in Hawai'i are American citizens and they have the proper representation in Washington DC as any state of the union.
Please tell me what country doesnt reckognise Hawai'i as a part of the US.
You can scream and shout all you want about what you want. That doesnt change the fact that Hawai'i IS and will always be a part of the US.
When did an international court rule HI wasnt a part of the US?
@chubbypekingnese. Offically yes. But legally, its not. Its not about other country's reconizing Hawaii as not part of the U.S., but its the legal status.
@chubbypekingnese. Well then. I guess your saying that the invasion of Hawaii conducted by U.S. Marine and Navy soilders by order of the U.S. Ambassador to Hawaii was a good thing. No?
@chubbypekingnese. Wow! No wonder some people do not like how the United States runs! If you country was invaded, you know it would not a good thing. Same here! And why are you bringing back up how my King united my nation? America's founding fathers did the same thing to form their nation just as much as my King did to form his nation! So that is not much difference between my country and the United States!
Hawaii is actually soverign already. Its been soverign ever since America overthrew it! The government is just currently in exile. Really? "Slaughtering people to unite them would be a legal act according to the World Court"?! Well, then, might as well say the same thing to the people who killed their oppressers to form the United States!
@UniteHawaii I think you are intentionally avoiding the question about how the Hawai'ian islands were united. Is it not relevant that Hawai'i was united by a violent act? Why not?
If Hawai'i obtained it's independence why would we just assume that the islands would all be of one nation?
Why can't people who never lived at that time want to restore their kingdoms to what they were before King Kameamea's unification?
Does that scenario not work for you? If not, why? Is that going too far back?
@chubbypekingnese. Hawaii was not reconized as a nation back then! Nor were all the islands who, were divided at that time, was not reconized as a nation by the world! That is going back to far.
@chubbypekingnese. Well, that is ture. The world currently does not reconize Hawaii as a independent nation right now. But little does the world know, LEGALLY Hawaii IS an independent nation according to International Law. I don't know what will happen in the future. But I DO know that Hawaii's government will be restorated. America cannot hide what they did was wrong for so long. Eventually they will obey the agreements. But in general, who knows what will happen.
@UniteHawaii ...and there's your problem, among th others. Hawai'i is reckognized as a part of the USA, you dont have enough people who are willing to lay their lives down for your cause, and you failed to have the imagination of what a war would do to your tiny island state.
Would the citizens of Hawai'i still have the same protections that the US bill of rights gives them? Freedom of speech?
Would Hawai'i be a democracy or would you ant to restore a monarchy? Who decides that?
@chubbypekingnese. Once again, I don't want to discuss the future. That's up to us, the people of Hawaii to decide. This is not a certain indivdal problem. This is every single person's problem. And the reason why its everybody's problem is because they are being brainwashed! And I'll have you know Hawaii was one of the democratic monarchies in the world! In fact, I'm sorry to say, it was a little more advance compare to America's! Women had the right to vote, for example before America!
@UniteHawaii Was King Kameamea's unification ofthe islands by slaughtering his opposition an act of a democratic monarchy?
Should that be the lesson to those would want Hawai'i to remain a state of the union?
How are the people being "brain washed"?
Why cant you say what kind of government you would want to install if you were to be a soveriegn nation? A lot of people are kind of partial to the Bill of Rights.
Would all the rights that they have in the USA be extended if Hawai'i secedes?
@chubbypekingnese. Wow! Same question in the beginning with the same answers! Theres no difference between my King and America's founding fathers! Might as well as the question that should America still be under Great Britian! Why should that be the answer to have Hawaii still be under U.S. control!? America's occupation was just as bad! And it still is!
@UniteHawaii The big difference between Hawai'i and the original 13 colonies of the America's is that they had a standing army and the people who were willing to lay down their life for their cause.
It also helped that it took awhile for the English to send reenforcements and that the colonists had help from the French.
There are more US military personel on Hawai'i than the amount of people you have behind your cause.
I Hope you get your independance and pick a war with the USMC and Get your asses kicked again better yet we should just nuke the fucking islands save some welfare revenue
' yet ultimate sovereignty rests with the People's Republic of China' - you are completely confused, China has NO legislative rights of ANY KIND over Taiwan - just because it's says it does, doesn't mean it's true. Taiwan is an independent state in every way, apart from not having ful international recognition (because if they ever try to get that, China will invade them, as they have publically stated).
Hawaii should take note, just as well as Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Micronesia, American Samoa, Midway, Guam, and the Marshall Islands.
To even suggest independence from the United States! Absolute treason, and if necessary, the use of military force to qualm the rebels! Get the idea out of your heads cause it'll never happen!
To internetfrik: And just remember, the last time a state within the USA tried to cede from this country in the 1860's, it resulted in war, their blood, and their defeat.
And if Hawaii would attempt to do that, they'd be playing with fire.
Yes, but it was made violently. If you study how Hawaii became a state, and a territory of the US, you would see that it was in an illegal form if we follow the UN charter which the US signed.
The U.N. charter was signed in 1948 and Hawaii was annexed as a territory in 1893. The charter does not have a retroactive effect and therefore has absolutely no bearing on the issue.
If you want to legitimize your argument I would suggest you examine the 1993 apology and the Hawaii case presently under review in the U.S. Supreme Court.
First of all its not my opinion, its a FACT, the U.N. does NOT have a retro-active effect.
Second, the U.N. Charter was signed in 1945 (not 1948) and Hawaii was annexed in 1898 (not 1893). Please excuse my inaccuracies on the exact dates, but it does not make my argument any less valid.
Making an argument that the annexation of Hawaii was against the UN rules is idiotic because the UN around.
The United States added Hawaii to their list of colonized territories and the UN signed it off without giving a rats ass what territories were named. They weren't gonna go and investigate the legality and/or legitimacy of every single place listed.
Secondly I never said it was against the UN rules. It's against the Law of Nations a.k.a. International Law which the US does recognize (when it wants to). These laws define the methods necessary to cede sovereignty and territory. Check it out.
Just for you Im gonna dig into my computers to look for the exact laws, but here are brief descriptions until then.
1. Neutral countries have special rights. These include not landing foreign militaries on the soil of a neutral country. Hawaii declared neutrality in 1854 during the U.S. Civil War.
2. The US violated treaties with Hawaii, which doesn't even come into play because of already violating the neutrality law.
3. There are specific methods for one country to cede to another...
There is conquest, where the two countries are at war and one loses, ultimately signing a treaty to cede over sovereignty and territory
There is also just a normal merger, which is what you probably think happened. In order to do it this way a TREATY of annexation is required. You look for a treaty and if you can find one I'll never mention this again. Yet they claim that they did have a successful treaty
There is also dismemberment where1 state breaks up into several smaller states
There was no annexation they got away with it cause they couldnt get a 2/3 vote cause the 1893 one was out cause of CLeveland and the second cause of petitions. They did a joint resolution a form of annexation in order to give the rights. With the joint resolution 50% of the lands were also ceded but it was never ceded to the Republic of HAwaii which was formed in 1894 a year after the Blount report and after they were told as in Dole, Thurston, Stevens, to restore the kingdom.
Texas versus White, a US Supreme Court ruling declared that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
Hawaii if declaring independence shall be in breach of Constitutional law. No state can cede from the United States.
You really need to read what people have typed, instead of assuming something they never meant of even implied - it may serve you well if you ever actually need to take part in legal proceedings.
What I said was THE CONSTITUTION doesn't say that, which it doesn't. What a later US Supreme Court has to say on the matter is neither here nor there, my statement was correct.
As the highest law and court in the land, the Supreme Court has the power to overrule, amend, or to null and void parts of the US Constitution. As such, FEDERAL law prohibits any state from ceding from the United States-- it is in writting and strictly adhered to. End of discussion.
"The Constitution does not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were absolutely null. The Constitution looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. Such laws are "absolutely null."
United States Supreme Court
74 U.S. 700 (see more...); 74 (1 Wall.) 700; 19 L. Ed. 227; 1868 U.S. LEXIS 1056
Believe me, I understand the significance of Supreme Court decisions on the Constitution, however, the plain language of the constitution does not prohibit states from declaring their independence. This being said, the Court in Texas v. White interpreted the Constitution to mean that and so that is what it means until either a successive Supreme Court interprets otherwise or Congress passes a law which allowing state secession (unlikely). I think we can both agree on that.
Your statement is correct that a prohibition against the right of succession is nowhere in the actual text of the Constitution but as I'm sure you will acknowledge, the US Supreme Court has the ultimate interpretation so if they decide that succession is unconstitutional, it shall be interpreted that way until a successive Court decides otherwise.
You should take a look at the Hawaiian reconciliation case under review in the US Supreme Court this year.
I have a suggestion: protest in Beijing (seriously). That's the best time to do this. Build up the PR all the way to August. This is one in a lifetime chance to highlight the hypocrisy of those who have talked the loudest about freedom. Hawaii is an international tourist destination. Many people symphatize with your struggle!!
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Im going to be at the Ala Moana Mall in a yellow T-shirt that reads "I am the CHUBBY PEKINGESE" for the 4th of July to see the Independence Day firework show.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
I think the important question that that people who want an independent Hawai'i chose not to ask themselves is, how many people for your cause are willing to die for your cause?
History will tell you that attempting cessession from the USA wont be pretty.
You dont even have the numbers enough to fiil one of the military bases on your tiny island state.
I think you fail to thnk in worst case scenarios of what a "war" would do to Hawai'i.
The island couldnt even withstand a prolonged blockade.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. And how many times to I gotta say that Hawaii is NOT legally part of America! Therefore, Hawaii does NOT need to "secede" from the "Union" Why do you believe that America will go to war against a peaceful nation!? They know what they did was wrong! They even admitted it pubically! Unless they like show that they are evil, which they are! You need to see pass the properganda and do some research on this! Who could blame that this is rubbish? But it is true!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii I dont think you really understand the word LEGAL. No court has determined that Hawai'i isnt a part of the US. If they have please let us know. Your opinion doesnt determine what is or isnt LEGAL.
Hawai'i isnt a nation. It is a state, the 50th state of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Hawai'i has a state government and flys the US flag along with the Hawai'i STATE flag.
The US doesnt really need to go to war to stop a secession. There arent enough people on your side to warrant it.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
If you only knew...the same thing happened in the Americas. European Colonist come over to Americas and Seize Our Indigenous Land and call it theirs and have everyone thinking they have Lawful Right to be here. Commiting all types of Crime in the name of America. European Colonist need to go back to Europe!!!! Destroy of the Earth, Devours of nations... This Land belongs to The Aboriginals.. Time to go home. Your not wanted here!!!
KajiraSpirit 8 months ago
@KajiraSpirit I think that if you really put some thought into what you say. You would realize that when European colonists came to the Americas there wasnt a UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Even the indiginous peoples of the Americas are from someplace else.
Unfortunately for people like youself who have classified yourself as a victim. Your ancestors werent strong enough to stop the colonists from pushing them aside. It was simply survival of the fittest and your ancestors werent the fittest.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese European Colonist still come to American. They are the one who established THE UNITED STATES CORPORATION and named it THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, before then The Continential America was Called Amexem.
As for who's the fittest nature will take care of its own, as for all others it will discard. My Ancestor have survived much and always been protected by The Great Mother.
I've entertain ignorance long enough. May the Lord keep you, and protect you. Peace and Love.
KajiraSpirit 7 months ago
@KajiraSpirit You entertain ignorance is a correct statement because you live in a hopefull fantasy world where you will one day live again in a world that has a Hawai'ian kingdom.
Hawai'ians are American and most of them enjoy the freedoms that living under a democracy gives them.
A monarchy doesnt give them those freedoms.
No where in history do you have a nation that relinquishes democracy for a dictatorship or monarchy without tyranny.
How many Hawai'ians want that?
chubbypekingnese 7 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Once again, you are not understanding of what I said before! The Hawaiian Kingdom system of government WAS democratic! Comare to America, in my opinion between the HK and America, ranks 2ND RATE! Certain people because of their race--race, couldn't become actual citizens of the U.S. back then. In the HK, no matter what race you are, you can apply for citizenship and become a Hawaiian with equal rights! Also, back then, women were not given voting rights. In the HK, CONT>
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@chubbypekingnese. CONT> women had the right to vote just as much as men did. And finally, what you claim historically that a monarchy does not give any "freedoms" may depend on the monarchy, but in OUR system of monarchy, your wrong! The HK had sorts of freedoms! Unlike certain monarchies in the world, our Kings and future rulers, VOLUNTARILY RELINQUISHED THEIR POWER! Not by the request or force by the people, but by their own belief! That's a fact! So compare to America, is that democracy?
UniteHawaii 7 months ago
@UniteHawaii I dont think that the tribes that were "united" by King Kamehamea relinquished their power voluntarily. Unless you call being driven to your death off a cliff voluntary.
The "movement" to have Hawai'i cede from the USA requires that you take away the peoples freedom of speech because the majority of the people of Hawai'i like being the 50th state and as long as they keep expressing that your little group will just be making noise.
chubbypekingnese 7 months ago
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@chubbypekingnese. Once again for the final time, Hawaii DOES NOT to "cede" from the United States. It is not legal U.S. territory! And are you saying that my country had no freedom of speech!? Give me a break! Freedom of speech was part of the 1st Hawaiian Constitution for your information! And that was in the 1840's! What don't you start looking upon our countrys history instead of making assuptions! Things are not what they seem!
UniteHawaii 7 months ago
The biggest problem for the people who want an independant Hawai'i is that most Hawai'ians like being American.
The only reason Hawai'i is what it is today is because it is part of the USA.
Noone would have invested money into it if it were not and most Hawai'ians know that.
Even if the independence movement has 25,000 people. That isnt enough to over come the amount that like being the 51st US state.
chubbypekingnese 10 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Well the reason why the people of Hawaii like being Americans is because either they don't know about their history, which is a much more creditable explanation, or if they DO know their history, but are still proud to be Americans is no shame is because one possible explanation is because they are still alive and trying to make light of a dark time, even though patriotically, they are Hawaiians. (Nationality). I, myself, is proud to be an American because I am making....
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese CONT> something of myself and futhermore, still alive in all aspects. But as I said, even though I may be proud of being an American, I am still against of what the United States Government did to my country, its people, and my Queen. Henceforth, I am a Hawaiian Nationalist Patriot.
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii I believe that Hawai'ians who are proud to be American are so because they know their history and prefer to be a part of a democracy rather than a monarchy.
Hawai'i will never get be its own nation. Her fate was sealed when she became a state. A hand full of people won't change that.
Like it or not you and your grand kids will die with the U.S. flag flying over Hawai'i as the 50th state of the union.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Hmm. Maybe. But the people who know our history would know that Hawaii was one of the first democratic monarcies in the world! The Kings, themselfs, voluntry relinquished their power over the years. Not by pressure by the people, but their own thinking of their people's well-being. Even though Hawaii may be the so-called 50th State, much less U.S. Territory, there is no documantion to prove that it is LAWFULLY. Ruled out by the World Court itself!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Hawai'i isnt the so called 50th state it IS the 50th state of the union.
Hawai'i's history isnt as peaceful as people as hawai'ians would hace people believe. King Kameamea brought the islands together by driving his opposition off a cliff. I dont think you can say that the people of the other islands were ruled voluntarily.
But neither here or there. Hawai'i isnt simply a U.S. territory. It's a state. So give up the pipe dream of an independent Hawai'i.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. So? And America's founding fathers, much less George Washington, did not do the same to their opposition??? Same thing! America did just the same! When I ment "U.S. territory" I ment SOVERIGN territory. In other words like for example, the Falkland Islands is part of British territory. I didn't ment U.S. GOVERNMENTAL Territroy like Guam and Samoa is under. U.S. territory or so-called 50th State, Hawaii is still NOT legally U.S soverign territory! No treaty of annexation!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Like I said. It isn't a "so called" state. It is a state.
Look up your history. No state or states leave the union without blood shed. Some have already tried and failed and they had a little muscle to make their case.
You are among a hand full of people that either fail to see or choose to ignore the simple fact that without the US. Hawai'i would be a Japanese territory.
The only reason that Hawai'i has an economy is because another nation chose to make it theirs.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Oh, boy! Maybe you missed that part that I explained! Theres NO TREATY OF ANNEXATION. Hence no matter if U.S Govermental Territory or State of the Union, Hawaii is NOT part of the U.S. because theres NO TREATY! And no, I'm not ignoring the fact that Hawaii would've been invaded from another country. What difference does it make? No difference! And speaking of history specifically in this case, Japan was actually going to become a part of Hawaii! Did not know that?
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Look around you and count how many people want Hawai'i to be it's own soveriegn nation.
You are among a hand full of people.
By a huge majority, most of the people who live in Hawai'i not only agree that Hawai'i is a part of the US. They want to be a part of the US and our proud to be the 50th state of the union.
Who do you really have behind your cause?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Hawaii actually is a soverign nation. The government just needs to be re-instated, which was an agreement between our Queen and President Cleaveland. The U.S. Government just refused to do it despite the fact what their diplomat did! Your may be right. There maybe a handful of people who wants Hawaii to restored, but the other majority is either proud to be American but wants our country back, or they don't know the history, or they are proud to be American....
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. CONT> regardless of them knowing the history of their country and what had happend to it, which I cannot say anything about that. I have no problem against people who are proud to be Americans in general. I'm not sure what may happen in the future, but I'm still going to educate the people of Hawaii and the world of what Hawaii is and what happend to it! And who knows, the numbers who want Hawaii to be restored will increase. In fact, people are getting more aware!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii You obviously do have a problem with those Hawai'ians who are proud to be American because their pride of being American is what is hampering your movement for Hawai'i to become it's own sovereign territory.
If I were you I'd focus my energy on another cause because the idea that Hawai'i separating from the union is a lost cause.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. I did not say I have a problem with anyone being proud of being an American. And once again, Hawaii does not need to separate from the "Union" ITS NOT U.S. TERRITORY FROM THE BEGINNING!! EVEN AFTER AMERICAN FORCES INVADED HAWAII AND ANNEXED IT TO THE U.S. THERE IS NO TREATY! NO TREATY! NO TREATY! NO TREATY! So legally, under Inernational Law and ruled out by the World Court, Hawaii is still its own soverign territory!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Internationally, people reckognize that Hawai'i IS apart of the US. People who are born in Hawai'i are American citizens and they have the proper representation in Washington DC as any state of the union.
Please tell me what country doesnt reckognise Hawai'i as a part of the US.
You can scream and shout all you want about what you want. That doesnt change the fact that Hawai'i IS and will always be a part of the US.
When did an international court rule HI wasnt a part of the US?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
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UniteHawaii 8 months ago
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@chubbypekingnese. Offically yes. But legally, its not. Its not about other country's reconizing Hawaii as not part of the U.S., but its the legal status.
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Officially versus legally? What? Legally according to the law of the land. Hawai'i IS the 50th state of the union.
So officially and legally Hawai'i is a part of the United States of America.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Well then. I guess your saying that the invasion of Hawaii conducted by U.S. Marine and Navy soilders by order of the U.S. Ambassador to Hawaii was a good thing. No?
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Seeing how I dont need a passport when I vacation there, YES, I dont have a problem with that.
I also dont have a problem with the European exploration and colonization of the western hemisphere either. In case you were wondering.
Do you have a problem with the way the Hawai'ian islands were united by King Kameamea?
I bet the people he slaughtered didnt like it.
Hawai'i IS and will continue to be an AMERICAN state.
You apart of a fringe group. NOONE takes you seriously.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Wow! No wonder some people do not like how the United States runs! If you country was invaded, you know it would not a good thing. Same here! And why are you bringing back up how my King united my nation? America's founding fathers did the same thing to form their nation just as much as my King did to form his nation! So that is not much difference between my country and the United States!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii I brought up how the Hawi'ian islands were "united" because it was a negative part of your past that you hold as a positive.
If you ever get you soveriegn nation (which you wont).
Would you be opposed to the islands being divided to the tribes that existed prior to King Kameamea's unification by slaughter?
I dont think you would think that slaughtering people to unite them would be a legal act according to the World Court.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. And? That does not make any difference still!
Hawaii is actually soverign already. Its been soverign ever since America overthrew it! The government is just currently in exile. Really? "Slaughtering people to unite them would be a legal act according to the World Court"?! Well, then, might as well say the same thing to the people who killed their oppressers to form the United States!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii I think you are intentionally avoiding the question about how the Hawai'ian islands were united. Is it not relevant that Hawai'i was united by a violent act? Why not?
If Hawai'i obtained it's independence why would we just assume that the islands would all be of one nation?
Why can't people who never lived at that time want to restore their kingdoms to what they were before King Kameamea's unification?
Does that scenario not work for you? If not, why? Is that going too far back?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Hawaii was not reconized as a nation back then! Nor were all the islands who, were divided at that time, was not reconized as a nation by the world! That is going back to far.
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Well the world doesnt recognize hawai'i as a nation,now.
You seem to only go back in history to where it suits your arguement.
Right now as we discuss this the world sees Hawai'i as the 50th state of the USA.
Who will come to the aid of those who want Hawai'ian independence? What nation will assist the cessesion of a US state?
I dont think any country will provide military assistance and without that you cause is lost.
Just enjoy the 4th of July fireworks at the Ala Moana mall
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Well, that is ture. The world currently does not reconize Hawaii as a independent nation right now. But little does the world know, LEGALLY Hawaii IS an independent nation according to International Law. I don't know what will happen in the future. But I DO know that Hawaii's government will be restorated. America cannot hide what they did was wrong for so long. Eventually they will obey the agreements. But in general, who knows what will happen.
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii ...and there's your problem, among th others. Hawai'i is reckognized as a part of the USA, you dont have enough people who are willing to lay their lives down for your cause, and you failed to have the imagination of what a war would do to your tiny island state.
Would the citizens of Hawai'i still have the same protections that the US bill of rights gives them? Freedom of speech?
Would Hawai'i be a democracy or would you ant to restore a monarchy? Who decides that?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Once again, I don't want to discuss the future. That's up to us, the people of Hawaii to decide. This is not a certain indivdal problem. This is every single person's problem. And the reason why its everybody's problem is because they are being brainwashed! And I'll have you know Hawaii was one of the democratic monarchies in the world! In fact, I'm sorry to say, it was a little more advance compare to America's! Women had the right to vote, for example before America!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii Was King Kameamea's unification ofthe islands by slaughtering his opposition an act of a democratic monarchy?
Should that be the lesson to those would want Hawai'i to remain a state of the union?
How are the people being "brain washed"?
Why cant you say what kind of government you would want to install if you were to be a soveriegn nation? A lot of people are kind of partial to the Bill of Rights.
Would all the rights that they have in the USA be extended if Hawai'i secedes?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@chubbypekingnese. Wow! Same question in the beginning with the same answers! Theres no difference between my King and America's founding fathers! Might as well as the question that should America still be under Great Britian! Why should that be the answer to have Hawaii still be under U.S. control!? America's occupation was just as bad! And it still is!
UniteHawaii 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii The big difference between Hawai'i and the original 13 colonies of the America's is that they had a standing army and the people who were willing to lay down their life for their cause.
It also helped that it took awhile for the English to send reenforcements and that the colonists had help from the French.
There are more US military personel on Hawai'i than the amount of people you have behind your cause.
The military has air power and armor.
What do you have?
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
@UniteHawaii How can you say, with a straight face, that life as an American is comparable to life as a colonist under King George?
The mere fact that you can go on and on about how you think that Hawai'i should be its own nation is a testiment ot that.
You have the right to spout all of the craziest stuff you want and its protected.
Im sure if someone came to your door you'd demand to see their warrant.
Then youd demand counsel
You know its not the same. You dont know oppression.
chubbypekingnese 8 months ago
Hawai'i is the only state we conquered and forced to become a state.
cwperkins83 1 year ago
the US is indeed a fearsome country. a true wolf in sheep's clothing
richardhaw 1 year ago
I Hope you get your independance and pick a war with the USMC and Get your asses kicked again better yet we should just nuke the fucking islands save some welfare revenue
TheBob53 1 year ago
I Hope you get your independance and pick a war with the USMC and Get your asses kicked again better yet we should just nuke the fucking islands
TheBob53 1 year ago
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romundsen 2 years ago
@romundsen CHEEEEE HUUUUUU
WADAMAN808 2 years ago
' yet ultimate sovereignty rests with the People's Republic of China' - you are completely confused, China has NO legislative rights of ANY KIND over Taiwan - just because it's says it does, doesn't mean it's true. Taiwan is an independent state in every way, apart from not having ful international recognition (because if they ever try to get that, China will invade them, as they have publically stated).
You insane loon.
maureenOWW 3 years ago
free hawaii !!!!!!!!!!!
wxy0418 3 years ago
Hawaii should take note, just as well as Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Micronesia, American Samoa, Midway, Guam, and the Marshall Islands.
To even suggest independence from the United States! Absolute treason, and if necessary, the use of military force to qualm the rebels! Get the idea out of your heads cause it'll never happen!
YogaNate79 3 years ago
Mire canto de pendejo,
What treason? If we're not Americans we have to affiliation to your miserable country. Free Puerto Rico now!
internetfrik 3 years ago
To internetfrik: And just remember, the last time a state within the USA tried to cede from this country in the 1860's, it resulted in war, their blood, and their defeat.
And if Hawaii would attempt to do that, they'd be playing with fire.
YogaNate79 3 years ago
Yes, but it was made violently. If you study how Hawaii became a state, and a territory of the US, you would see that it was in an illegal form if we follow the UN charter which the US signed.
internetfrik 3 years ago
The U.N. charter was signed in 1948 and Hawaii was annexed as a territory in 1893. The charter does not have a retroactive effect and therefore has absolutely no bearing on the issue.
If you want to legitimize your argument I would suggest you examine the 1993 apology and the Hawaii case presently under review in the U.S. Supreme Court.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
coolbreezed you might not want to shit out false info and/or your opinion until you get your facts straight...
anders96813 3 years ago
First of all its not my opinion, its a FACT, the U.N. does NOT have a retro-active effect.
Second, the U.N. Charter was signed in 1945 (not 1948) and Hawaii was annexed in 1898 (not 1893). Please excuse my inaccuracies on the exact dates, but it does not make my argument any less valid.
Making an argument that the annexation of Hawaii was against the UN rules is idiotic because the UN around.
So how is this opinion???
coolbreezed 3 years ago
The United States added Hawaii to their list of colonized territories and the UN signed it off without giving a rats ass what territories were named. They weren't gonna go and investigate the legality and/or legitimacy of every single place listed.
Secondly I never said it was against the UN rules. It's against the Law of Nations a.k.a. International Law which the US does recognize (when it wants to). These laws define the methods necessary to cede sovereignty and territory. Check it out.
anders96813 3 years ago
I see. Could you please tell me exactly when the U.N. actually signed off on Hawaiian "colonization"?
And could you also please site the "international law" which existed in 1898, which precludes the actions of the United States.
If you can back your both statement w/ facts I will concede my point.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
Just for you Im gonna dig into my computers to look for the exact laws, but here are brief descriptions until then.
1. Neutral countries have special rights. These include not landing foreign militaries on the soil of a neutral country. Hawaii declared neutrality in 1854 during the U.S. Civil War.
2. The US violated treaties with Hawaii, which doesn't even come into play because of already violating the neutrality law.
3. There are specific methods for one country to cede to another...
anders96813 3 years ago
cont
There is conquest, where the two countries are at war and one loses, ultimately signing a treaty to cede over sovereignty and territory
There is also just a normal merger, which is what you probably think happened. In order to do it this way a TREATY of annexation is required. You look for a treaty and if you can find one I'll never mention this again. Yet they claim that they did have a successful treaty
There is also dismemberment where1 state breaks up into several smaller states
anders96813 3 years ago
Thirdly the opinion (because it definitely wasn't a fact) that you stated was:
- "annexed as a territory in 1893"
anders96813 3 years ago
See above correction. It was annexed in 1898.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
I already saw the correction. I was just answering your question completely.
anders96813 3 years ago
There was no annexation they got away with it cause they couldnt get a 2/3 vote cause the 1893 one was out cause of CLeveland and the second cause of petitions. They did a joint resolution a form of annexation in order to give the rights. With the joint resolution 50% of the lands were also ceded but it was never ceded to the Republic of HAwaii which was formed in 1894 a year after the Blount report and after they were told as in Dole, Thurston, Stevens, to restore the kingdom.
EthnicKID 2 years ago
'Absolute treason, and if necessary, the use of military force '
If you can point to any part of the US Constitution which says that the States are permanently federated then I'd like to see it.
maureenOWW 3 years ago
Texas versus White, a US Supreme Court ruling declared that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
Hawaii if declaring independence shall be in breach of Constitutional law. No state can cede from the United States.
YogaNate79 3 years ago
You really need to read what people have typed, instead of assuming something they never meant of even implied - it may serve you well if you ever actually need to take part in legal proceedings.
What I said was THE CONSTITUTION doesn't say that, which it doesn't. What a later US Supreme Court has to say on the matter is neither here nor there, my statement was correct.
maureenOWW 3 years ago
As the highest law and court in the land, the Supreme Court has the power to overrule, amend, or to null and void parts of the US Constitution. As such, FEDERAL law prohibits any state from ceding from the United States-- it is in writting and strictly adhered to. End of discussion.
YogaNate79 3 years ago
Until a successive Court interprets it differently.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
Texas Versus White
"The Constitution does not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were absolutely null. The Constitution looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. Such laws are "absolutely null."
United States Supreme Court
74 U.S. 700 (see more...); 74 (1 Wall.) 700; 19 L. Ed. 227; 1868 U.S. LEXIS 1056
YogaNate79 3 years ago
Believe me, I understand the significance of Supreme Court decisions on the Constitution, however, the plain language of the constitution does not prohibit states from declaring their independence. This being said, the Court in Texas v. White interpreted the Constitution to mean that and so that is what it means until either a successive Supreme Court interprets otherwise or Congress passes a law which allowing state secession (unlikely). I think we can both agree on that.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
Your statement is correct that a prohibition against the right of succession is nowhere in the actual text of the Constitution but as I'm sure you will acknowledge, the US Supreme Court has the ultimate interpretation so if they decide that succession is unconstitutional, it shall be interpreted that way until a successive Court decides otherwise.
You should take a look at the Hawaiian reconciliation case under review in the US Supreme Court this year.
coolbreezed 3 years ago
@YogaNate79 Hawai'i was never legally part of the United States to begin with!!! Where's the Treaty of Annexation?!
WADAMAN808 2 years ago
I have a suggestion: protest in Beijing (seriously). That's the best time to do this. Build up the PR all the way to August. This is one in a lifetime chance to highlight the hypocrisy of those who have talked the loudest about freedom. Hawaii is an international tourist destination. Many people symphatize with your struggle!!
eschenk3 3 years ago
Im from the big Island (puna).
I've moved away and I miss hawaii much.
I'm for hawaiian Independence NOW!!!!
AmaniMd 4 years ago
Political Power comes out of the barrel of a Gun
RedPartisan 4 years ago 2
I think they should make Hawaii like Monaco is to France. Hawaii would be a sovereign kingdom with a restored monarch under the protection of the US
ArtyMac 5 years ago
Never stop fighting for your peoples' freedom. The New England independence movement fully supports you.
NewEnglandPatriotX 5 years ago
maika'i keia vid!
mamoahina 5 years ago
Pololei, Kalekoa!
Ho`oku`oko`a,
`Ehu Kekahu Cardwell
koanifoundation 5 years ago