Hunter Hitboxes

[Banshee523]

i don't think you realize that the htibox display ALSO has lag and is not 100% accurate as to where the hitbox actually is.

[Jumbamen1]

yea man thats luck only

[ReSpawnerCO]

How to start this Hitbox Mode?

[soraowns]

cl_interp

[Chinchyhalo]

Ok? Hitboxes are always fucked on online games. Hitting something that isent there isent gonna help hitbox lag. Just hit what you see, if you get pounced owell.

[cheiniks]

hey is there a command to see hitboxes without cheats?

[Kytten9]

@cheiniks No because that would be called cheating. The idea behind the hitboxes is that they are invisible... Otherwise everyone would be able to hit them all the time. It should also be noted that only 1 hitbox can be visible at a time.

[cheiniks]

@Kytten9 well dont care bout "cheating" if its allowed by console and 1 hitbox as in SI hitbox or are CI included?

[Kytten9]

@cheiniks 1 hit box total allowed by consol out of the 8 hitboxes you can bring up. You have to specify which playslots hitbox you wish to display. I.E you join as Zoey and are allocated Player Slot 4 you're friend joins as a boomer and is allocated player slot 7 you'd need to specify that respective slot as the hitbox displayed and that would apply until the command is removed (so si can respawn as different characters and still have their hitbox displayed!)

[Bualo]

because of the ping?..

[Shadowdog7]

Look up a video called "How Not To Suck At L4D: Lesson 1 Skeets"

[Kytten9]

@Shadowdog7

Great idea... Unless you're outta ammo and or reloading. You can melee whilst reloading. Some folks also prefer to use the uzi... Can't really skeet with that can you? Skeeting is mainly focused on the shotgun.

Besides it's rare for most people to be aware of their surroundings in either game... Let alone be able to skeet and or hunter punt. However I think hunter punting is easier for most than skeeting. Althought skeeting is funnier!

[Shadowdog7]

@Kytten9 you can skeet with any gun in the game <.< and yeah, it's rare if you're playing with pubs, lol.

[Kytten9]

@Shadowdog7 rare? Fuck I'd be happy if a pug could knock a hunter OFF YOU when they're right friggin next to you instead of reloading to fail at shooting him off.... Skeeting is just nigh impossible in a pug... Jeez...

[Shadowdog7]

@Shadowdog7 hahaha! who the hell do you play with? all the people i usually play with are good and skeet hunters like it's nothing lol

[Kytten9]

@Shadowdog7 Oh friends are fine. I mean pugs. Most my friends are USA and I'm UK so timezones and what not. I hate hate hate pug/pub matching because people don't have common sense. Think they're pro and fail or call hacks everytime they get a lag spike. I have a very volatile temper and if I'm in a game with an idiot I either end up shooting them, bitching at them until they leave or until I'm vote kicked. Meh I'm a bitch I get that!

[Shadowdog7]

@Kytten9 haha yeah, i hate pubbing too. Pubs are just retarded!

[DubiousKing]

I wonder, was this fixed in L4D2? Or is the same problem there as well?

[ButcherOrge]

very informative video. very cool. if you could post other hitbox videos, would be extremely helpful.

5/5 +favorited. very awesome.

[Jespertheshort1]

mhmm well I acutlly figured this out by my self, with out the outline but a good way to show it mate, cheers :P

[kraljevo8]

@chumplol I know you posted 7 months ago, but I wanted to help clear this up for you. The lagcompensation affects hitscan weapons (rifles, smgs', pistols, etc etc... just "guns" basically). Melees are not lag compensated because they are not hitscan. They're like the melee weapons in TF2. You can get hit from what seems like a mile away because at the time your opponent started swinging you were in range, despite being vastly far away on your screen.

The more you know <3

[Left4DeadRules134]

Lol, at the end the Avatar was chasing the Hitbox. XD

[12tman12]

Great vid. Shows why you want low ping. Now you know why on higher ping servers your gun play seems fine, but you can get owned in melee battles.

[SlykeThePhoxenix]

Great vid dude =).

[Tattooedromeo]

does this still works on L4d2?

[Pennymarkt32]

how to activate the hit box ?? only on sv_cheats1 ?

[Cannabid0l]

Use google, knob

[Frederf220]

I heard bullets are lag compensated but melee shoves are not. Thus you want to aim for the white box to melee but you want to aim for the visible Hunter if you want to shoot him.

[jonathantham]

ty man! Its VERY USEFUL!:D

[crzymn246]

Huh. I always wondered why I hit the hunters even though I thought I meleed too early. Now I know. it makes sense in hindsight.

[mikehardez]

I never realized how far apart hunters can be from their hit boxes. Very useful video.

[triggerman5]

sm_cvar z_network_compression 0

anyone know what thats for?

[gknight825]

what is the command to show hitboxes while practicing?

[icemager16]

sv_showhitboxes 2

[yodalr]

really useful, tnx

[darkthrown]

I always wondered that, since on campaign mode you can easily shove a hunter where its visible, but on versus this never seemed to work.

I don't really care if the hitboxes are created by lag or are a part of the game, its how it is. Thanks for the vid.

[GeminiFyre]

Hitboxes are seperate for lag compensation but when you shoot the server compensates for the lag and the shots connect but for melees it does not hence why you have to do it earlier

[emperor20]

I didn't really understand what they meant by changing the Hunter timings and this video answered it. Jumping with melee worked great and messes up pounces.

[glitchvid]

i agree its mainly for lag compinsation but other people beg to differ.

[Joao42]

well if it was for lag compensation the hitbox should hit later not sooner.

[glitchvid]

Not really b/c the person is at there time where the hitboxes are

its to reduce the lag on the attacker not the attacke.

[Kytten9]

If it has nothing to do with meleeing early than why does meleeing early work and meleeing normally does not. Further more why have Valve admitted that the facts behind this video with regard to the hitboxes themselves is correct???? "detached" or not... The fact is this method works and that's what the video is here to demonstrate.

[soocl0se]

@Kytten9 I kinda agree with you, i've meleed sooo dead on on multiple occasion and just get pinned to the ground. There is something fucked up with hit boxes, and i'm also sure it doesn't stop at the hunter.

[hollymuffines]

wouldn't ping or whatever play into this also?

like because when you have slow internet the information will be reaching you later than it actually happens (at least in online vs).

[Shadowdog7]

This video is very helpful! i notice that i'm successfully meleeing hunters more and i'm even killstopping more too! ^^ THANKS

[xxxVJ300xxx]

Now I know why some people will shoot ahead of a mid air hunter. Very useful info in this video, 5 stars.

[TheValiance]

Does the tank have this? I very often think im totally safe from tank melee (about 10 feet), but still get hit, which is fucking annoying =P

[DethPenguin]

his punch just has a long reach. (longer than what is visibly represented, like the pyro's flamethrower in tf2)

[MehNameIsComedy]

deth lool

[Ataro104]

everything in the game has a moving hit box that will be slightly ahead of movement- which still doesn't explain why tank can get melee hits from 20 god damn feet away :P

[quartzlcc]

@Ataro104 Tank can't hit shit, I dunno what you're talking about. =\

[ofmgomfgomfg0]

Nice Video! Has Helped me out alot.

[sirmontag]

Great stuff! Thanks a ton!

[daddyisonfire]

name of the song?

[demernoobie]

think it's "My Own Worst Enemy" by Sterephonics

google is awsum, btw.

[Kytten9]

Yeah sorry.... I put songs to my vids because Fraps hates recording sound from in game and the last thing yall wanna hear is a British chick swearing at someone. Anyway the song is as demernoobie said.

[daddyisonfire]

ty :D

[Bretzel42]

Valve and Hitboxes, a long story.

[Kaisonic]

So if we're getting the hitbox information, why can't the game just animate the avatar where the hitbox is instead of behind it? Probably a stupid question technically, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

[MSimp2k6]

It's complicated. Long story short: Most source engine games buffer the network input before it displays it.

This makes the game a lot smoother, and you don't notice it much when using hitscan (instant hit) weapons, as the server hit detection code 'rewinds' by your ping and the buffer delay to figure out whether, at the moment you fired, you would've scored a hit.

Unfortunately, it doesn't play so nicely with projectile and melee weapons. It's a tradeoff, but one that mostly works well.

[hobowithashotgun]

far as i know you dont have to jump to melee a 25 hunter?

[Kytten9]

It's not a 25... It's Arking (When a hunter is gonna come down verticaly on you) -I.E You have to look directly up to see the pounce-

Where he (DargoTrox) vertically pounces from the roof straight down is only like a 12pt pounce.

[Slamami]

2:57 LOL!!! Anyways, great video. Helps a lot for those really high pounces.

[irytn]

It wasn't like this when l4d first came out, I used to be able to melee hunters 100% of the time by timing it properly based on the avatar.

One of their updates changed it to this.

[hobowithashotgun]

no campaign its alligned with avatar versus it isnt that explains it.

[Lortagreb]

I knew about the issue but didn't know that the distance between the pounce hitbox and the avatar were actually that far. Thanks.

[jonnybg00d]

it's the hit boxes vs. the actual model. A similar issue was also found in Enemy Territory when players crouched. But that was a long time ago and doesn't need to be explained.

Thanks for the input.

[sugoidave]

I wonder how much latency effects where the hitboxes are. If both players here were local though then I suppose they had very good ping.

[Kytten9]

nope. Dargo lives in NC and I am in the UK.... 3000miles+ distance difference

[FatEmoWhales]

thanks a lot for this!

[Surgica1]

AWESOME VIDEO :O, was this done on a local server ... can you get hit boxes to show up on a private server?

[Kytten9]

It was done on a local server with just two people... Because otherwise my PC would go poof... But if the Private Server has sv_cheats 1 then yes. Using the Command sv_showhitboxes 1-8 you can view hitboxes. However only 1 set of hit boxes can be displayed at a time I believe. I could be wrong.

[Reaper13666]

sv_showhitboxes 1-8

1-8 depends on the player slot of the hunter you are trying to see hitboxes for.

e.g.

sv_showhitboxes 1 "nope nothing"

sv_showhitboxes 2 "yay hitboxes"

[Kytten9]

Thanks for that Reaper.... My brain went dead trying to remember the command for this.... :thumbsup:

[Reaper13666]

Thats Weapuh to you! :)

[TerribleL4D]

Have you done any testing on shooting the hunter with this hitbox?

[Reaper13666]

Shooting hitbox is the avatar, not the same as pounce hitbox

[vindexus]

Great video. I had figured out you had to melee earlier than what felt right but I wasn't sure why. This explains that. Thank you for posting.

[lily0ness]

I'd like to know the command as well. To see the hitboxes. :P

[ValugaTheLord]

I did figure out that without looking at hitboxes..

It not hard to swing Hunter off ur back while u meele.

[Kytten9]

this video isn't for the benefit of the smartasses who already knew that. Especially considering the video starts with the caption: Ever wonder why when you melee a hunter in it's face you still get pounced? - If you already knew why. Then you may have guessed the theme already.... But still gg.

[ValugaTheLord]

Well.. i wondered why obviously.. i just understood how to fight them :P

[GeminiFyre]

Apparently you can only do this on listen servers

[Kytten9]

correction it can only be done with sv cheats 1.... just most folk cannot do that on actual servers... my bad!

[Kytten9]

It can only be done on a local host.... Which is why I used 1 person... cuz my lousy 10mb fibre optic broadband apparently can't handle more than 2 people. :s I also know you can only show 1 set of hit boxes... numbered 1-8 in reference to which player's hit box you wanna see. Mess around with consol commands... I think it's something like show hitbox 1-8.... probably wrong it's been a while

[messatsu13]

Not trying to start anything... are you sure it isn't your lousy computer instead of your connection?

Thanks for the vid. I always wondered why other survivors randomly spamming would reliably catch me then I couldn't do it when I was on survivor.

[Kytten9]

my connection is 10mb fibre optic broadband. My PC is custom built with a duel core processor, an ATI Radeon HD 4670 card. I have a HD realtek audio card and a really nice mobo and HD. So I'm pretty sure.

You wanna test it out... Get and friend and host a local.... Valve themselves even admitted hitboxes exist seperately.

[sweetgirl116]

I think he just got owned :P. how did you get the hitboxes to show?please?

[Kytten9]

You have to have sv_cheats 1 so local host or a server you have box access too work best.

(Thanks to Reaper for the following...)

sv_showhitboxes 1-8

1-8 depends on the player slot of the hunter you are trying to see hitboxes for.

e.g.

sv_showhitboxes 1 "nope nothing"

sv_showhitboxes 2 "yay hitboxes"

[corpulent25]

I type that in, and despite which one I try, I do not get the hitboxes to show. This is with sv_cheats 1, using rcon.

[triggerman5]

LLLLLLOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCAAAAAAAAL­LLLLLL HOST as in not on a server.

[boomertank44]

Hey, what's the command to draw hunter hitboxes?

[MANDELAZZA]

Awesome.

Thanks you very much!