All they need is some Razors for their Women and wax their Mustache and you may have happier Muslims. If Women looked like they do in the Middle East I guess we would have tens of thousands of people ready to strap and bomb to their asses and blow shit up... We need to send Razors, not Bullets over there along with some Soap and Toilet Paper and we would have a happier World over there......
Only the Dem's and Lib'st believe love is all you need. We need to send all the bleeding hart liberals and Dem's over there with there hands out thinking the Taliban well kiss it and lets be friends. The Taliban well shoot them and drag there dead bodies through the streets. Then we can go over there and blow the crap out them with out the liberal Dem's crying about it
9/11 was an inside job so the CIA could control the heroin fields in afghanistan -- hey sounds just like the iran contra scandle and the CIA importing cocaine into the US
they want us to hate and fight each other-- its part of thier plan/ divide and conquer
Guys, we can talk all day long. Bout liberals radicals demos and repubs. But really. When it comes down to it....all we need is love. So lets focus on that
No joke. Wtf do they care what we think. The terrorists are the true racists. But those damn liberals are too busy pussy-footing around accepting this and accepting that, too afraid tp hurt peoples feelings. Shut up and stop blinding yourselves.
@heyazzhole I'm a democrat im not anti-american just not happy with idiots like Bush invading countries like Iraq wich was none of our business. I dare you to dog slap me I would slap the taste out of your mouth.
Dear ranoosha1210, er, you say "zionist suck". "Looking through a back bent tulip" are you? Or maybe you're asking for a Zionist to blow you? Or are you just well, an Islamist freak or a Leftard? No diff really, eh? "You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow..." Er, you're unpopular with the opposite sex and you stink, right? Gotta, Mister!
for those who've taken the time to read through the many comments, first - my apologies. second, it is my sincere hope that the majority of those who have read these find seneca to be precisely what is wrong with intellectual debate. brutish, simple-minded, and constantly boxing his ears to misuse his debaters responses or simply disregard them entirely, seneca has proven himself to be not only uninformed, but the worst kind of sanctimonious, history-free american.
A summary of Eric colvin's bullshit thus far: Eric has expressed approval for hostage taking, and executions of hostages, suicide bombings, rocketing targets such as school yards, and the bombings at the Tube in the UK. Among his lengthy posts he has also unwittingly acknowledged that Saddam did indeed have WMDs', and that Iraqi civilians are being killed by the muslim insurgents. Eric, have I missed anything, would you like to endorse any other reprehensible acts?
I confirmed that US supplied much of the technology which went into production of chemical weapons and development of nuclear weapons in the eighties. You also supplied nuclear technology to Israel. This in defiance of proliferation treaties which you had signed. The "intelligence" that Saddam still possessed any usable weapons of that nature in 2002 was entirely false - distortion and complete invention pedalled by the Neo Cons to "justify" and illegal war.
Iteresting that you chose not to rebute the fact that you actually do approve of suicide bombings and the tube bombings... You only spoke to the issue of the wmd, lol Aren't you a peice of work.
I don't need to. The evidence is right here. Look back over this pointless dialogue and provide one quote to support your claims as to my "expressed approval." The difference between seneca67 and EricColvin is that I do not lie. The world's press - indeed America's press - has reported often since 1984 on US licensing companies to supply chemical and biological technology to Iraq. The "proof" is all over the web. You are in denial. Commendably patriotic; but dumb.
Eric, feel free to point out exaclty where I lied to you. Your a troll, and I have little further time for antiprocess arguments from wannabee menbers of Hams such as yourself.
what the hell? i didn't give up? i respond to comments on this thread. I responded to yours idiot. Did i miss something? well excuse me, i track a fairly large number of threads. how about throwing me a heads up if you care to read a response
Ad Hominem ALERT! You did it again! Ah well I forgive you! As long as were both right it's all okay. As for the left... well I had an idea of an ammendment for them.
very simple, i am not a quitter. Much time has been spent responding to posts, including yours. Do you have a point you wish to advance, or would your prefer to grind your gears?
From your response i take it that you have no rel event point to contribute? Ok I did my bit for the cause. Where is your weeks long thread debating with pro hamas idiots? Oh you don't have any...lol ok. You deride others for adhominem, but that is all you have to offer.. well, I invited you to meaningful discussion, and you copped out. So it seems rather than a quitter, you are a non starter. Jolly good show, ol chap.
Actually I have plenty of month long arguments. Haha that's funny that you mention that to me. I see you and your boyfriend enjoy ad homineming back and forth eh?
So dear seneca67, Such is Colvin the classic Leftard & semi closet anti-semite, anti-Western bedfellow of Islamist rapists & killers. No event or evidence will ever change him. Au contraire, all facts & evidence that discredit his fraud merely prove to him thta he's right. Such types have always been this way. They're described exactly in Joseph Conrads The Secret Agent, Dr Sanity blogspot com, dissectleft blogspot com & the peoples cube com. Keep up the excellent work, Seneca. U have my vote
So dear seneca67, Such is Colvin the classic Leftard & semi closet anti-semite, anti-Western bedfellow of Islamist rapists & killers. No event or evidence will ever change him. Au contraire, all facts & evidence that discredit his fraud merely prove to him thta he's right. Such types have always been this way. They're described exactly in Joseph Conrads The Secret Agent, Dr Sanity blogspot com, dissectleft blogspot com & the peoples cube com. Keep up the excellent work, Seneca. U have my vote.
Dear seneca67, sadly, U R merely empirically & factually correct on every count. Eric the half bee Colvin meanwhile, has subject change, denial, apologia, lies, being a phoney, moral relativism, delusion & endless logical fallacy on his side. Your intelligence is no match for Erics ignorance.
Lastly, Seneca, I'm not providing excuses for suicide bombings. Your country has done that wonderfully for the last sixty years (with the exception of the eighties), by egging on violent, racist setters to hijack Israel's constitution in the name of ethnic cleansing. Without US bigotry, Islamic suicide bombers would not exist. The sooner you learn to respect Moslems as you claim to 'respect' the people you call "indians," the sooner you may overcome the extremism which your extremism engenders.
You have pasted alot a lot about "zionism" from your zazi web site, but what does that have to do with muslim terror world wide? Are we to beleive that muslim were fighting zionism in Darfur? Beslam? India? the UK, France? Nigeria? Thialand? Are those zionist really that pervasive? You should have your head examined.
You weary me, S. You're not very good at insults. If you would like to pursue a rational dialogue, e-mail me. Jewish terrorists might not have existed without the overt and tacit anti-semitism of the C19th; Moslem terrorism would not have gained ground last century without the new breed of post-war anti-semites who aim to show Arabs as expendably sub-human. I visited no racist sites to gather the quotes (what is a 'zazi web site', anyway?). They're verifiable in libraries from published books.
My key point is that, if you truly believe that all Moslems take pleasure in suicide and terror, then you have been misled by propaganda. If you perpetuate this propaganda in the name of Christ, you are truly a hypocrite; the aim of the film above is to increase sectarian hate and bloodshed. I insult Americans because they need to listen more and sneer less. I insult you because of your blind, vain, pride. You spew venom against Moslems in the way that your forebears sneered at the Chinese.
The truth is that the majority of human beings are easy to understand if you choose to understand them. There are plenty of Americans whom I also love. Your country has the finest constitution in history. As democratic citizens, you should exercise your right to criticise. Believe it or not, most Israelis do; but they are lumbered with an unrepresentative government bent on colonisation, corrupted by power, backed by your thoughtless countrymen.
Until you get yourselves a president prepared to speak softly and not just wave his big stick, the situation for America can only worsen. Dollars are not proof of God's favour. You have not read far enough back in Iran's history if you don't know about how we worked to overthrow parliamentary democracy in Iran. You need to look at the history of North Africa, Russia, and the Middle East from 1890 to 1960 to understand what I am talking about. "Bollocks" is such an ugly word, don't you think?
In short, America has spent roughly sixty years deepening the hole it is in. It's time to stop digging. It only took the Madrid train bombings for the Spanish to realise they needed to rethink their foreign policy. They did not sell out; they took an objective (and I believe highly moral) standpoint. Had America reacted to 9/11 with similar dignity and insight, the world would be a less evil place. But your lust for revenge led you to an aggressive war with a blameless country.
Ironically, the only country to benefit from the havoc you wreaked in Iraq has been Iran: a country you have consistently failed to control; you never shall until you learn to control your temper. Revenge is never just. The best hope for the Middle East, right now, is to help Israel become a single, truly democratic, multi-faith nation in which Arabs are no longer second class citizens. I believe this can be achieved within twenty years - without Apocalypse. But then I'm not a fundamentalist.
Seneca, I believe there is hope for you - but you must read more widely, and listen less to the architects of hatred. I have never said I approved of suicide bombers. But I deplore State Terror. And, like the farmers next door in Orwell's "Animal Farm", American capital has got itself so mired international oppression, that the animals can no longer tell the difference between pigs and farmers. Gotta go now.
I take it you hate zionists? But, where are these naughty zioniosts eric? Are they suicide bombing markets, discos, busses like the muslims do daily? Are they hijacking planes like the muslims do? Did they shoot up airports like Muslims did in teh eighties in france? Gee Eric, take your blinders off.
They sure did. Read your history between 1930 and 1960. Ariel Sharon specialised in setting light to Palestinian houses whilst the occupants were still inside, then shooting them as they came out. In 2001/2002, his army were dispatched to pull Palestinian houses down on top of the occupants - terrified civilians. For three years, the IDF have been shooting and shelling women and children in Gaza without conscience. You are wilfully ignorant of this. No wonder your kind are hated.
Eric, the sheer daily number of killings perpetrated by muslims totally eclipses any other group in history. why are you so unwilling to acknowledge what can be seen every day?
For your information Israel is a multi ethinic multi religious nation. Gets some facts. I have met many Arab, muslims who have lived and owned buusinesses there. They had no complaints about living in Israel.
In that sense, so is Iran. And there are, believe it or not, lots of happy Jewish and Christian businessmen there too. That does not mean that the State of Israel is not racist - nor that the state of Iran is not sectarian. A Moslem businessman in America might be richer than many of your redneck buddies on this site, and have few complaints. But you still call him raghead and seek to imply that his faith incites suicide bombers. You are being either ignorant or wilfully divisive.
For your information Israel is a multi ethinic multi religious nation. Gets some facts. I have met many Arab, muslims who have lived and owned buusinesses there. They had no complaints about living in Israel.
Eric, do you really think that people who blow up trains should have a voice in advancing a political goal? yet you assume the moral authority to pass judgements on a nation that has spent sixty years defending the free world? very lame.
Why not? All the leaders of Israel were formerly ruthless terrorists. The leaders of Sinn Fein were equally brutal. George Washington was prepared to use a bit of violence to get his way. Was backing Pinochet "defending the free world?" Trading with China? Sending guns and chemical weapons to Sadam Hussein's repressive regime? Financing the IRA? Why, Seneca, do you think the world hates you?
Eric, are you really British? or the son of a muslim terrorist? Would you like to explain to the families who lost loved ones on that tube, that you feel the bombings were perfectly fine? And no, the USA never provided chemical weapons to saddam, but thank you for at least acknowledging that he had WMD's. perhaps that is a breakthrough. Good work.
Eric, Iran was originally a multi ethnic, multi religious nation, and a popular vacation spot. (-great skiing there.) I think you should speak with the refugees from Iran to get a good understanding of what has happened. America had nothing to do with the Revolution, which was far more brutal than any crimes the Shah was accused of. They are hanging kids in that nation currently. Kids! But your only concern is with unverifiable gibber about America.
I was at school with kids from Iran. As I said before, you need to read back far further in history to understand why the people chose to overthrow the Shah. He was a tyrant - installed by the West in the late fifties. And his installation ended Iran's first truly multi ethnic, multi-religious parliamentary democracy. The reason we overthrew their Parliament? They dared to nationalise their oil industry. Look it up. There's no point discussing history if you're too lazy to read it.
Beleive what you want, but Iran is far more volent to its own citizens now, than the shah was on his worst day. I am familiar with the history. Please prove that "we" installed the shah. Just more gibbering pablum from eric, well done.
I am not perpetuating propaganda, nitwit. Even al gazeera acknowledges suicide bombings when they happen. I am not making this up. You can see muslim suicide bombers praised on middle eastern tv. This is simply not acceptable
Al Jazeera (which you can't even spell) has never praised suicide bombers. You lie through your teeth. It's not surprising. I expect the only channel you watch is Fox TV.
Eric, you must be the only asshole that is unaware of the vast selection of news sources, world wide that show Middle eastern, arab, and muslims leaders praising martyrs, suicide bombers. Fundraising telethons have been broadcast on middle eastern tv for families of suicide bombers.! Praise comes from muslim professors, Imams, and even elected officials. It is very easy to find this material. Rarely found is a muslim that criticizes suicide bombings.
what was this gibberish? Its is simple Eric, there were no zionist in INdia, Bangledesh, afrika, or bali, and many otehr places. yet Muslims were there, killing. The excuses are getting pretty weak, boy.
How do you propose I have a chat "with them?" Your 'respect' has done wonders to erase them "from the page of time," to coin a phrase. "Doing well" my arse. They are waiting until your "end times" arrive and all you God fearing 'Christians' get taken up to heaven with all those Jews you expect to convert after the great Apocalypse you are rooting for Dubya to bring about. Maybe, then, the rest of us can repair the damage, get on with our lives in peace, and good riddance to the lot of you.
I don't speak bullshit. I quote facts selectively because that's what your "Christian" brothers do over there in Yank land, again and again, to justify your precious "Dominion". So long as you continue to equate piety with Capitalism, you will be on the "side" of Satan (if there are any sides). That is why I call you hypocrites. It pleases me that I have disrupted your smug self regard. Trust the self-doubt you have felt; it may yet guide you towards paradise. Meanwhile, Seneca, I'm outta here.
Know what? I'm not as obsessed as you with preserving my own life at the expense of the four billion people in the world who are placed in penniless slavery by OUR selfish and profligate life "style." There are no excuses for your country's brutal self interest - and no Christian excuses for your support of the war mongers. 99.9% of Moslems have no truck with bombers of any description - unlike your countrymen who are obsessed with violence because it makes you feel great.
Ericcolvin, all you have done is provide bullshit excuses for suicide bombings, and there really are no excuses at all for such actions. I wonder when the recruiters for the suicide bombers will strap on some semtex themselves? But they always manage to find someone else to receive that honor don't they? I wonder if they would appreciate your cheering them on? Or would they slaughter you along with all westerners and arabs alike as standard procedure?
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem"
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."
"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."
"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl 1895
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the Jordan River for future generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." Israel Shamir 1990
"I am willing to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so they will run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues, I don't care. And I don't mind if you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and jail me for life. Hang me if you want ... the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." Ariel Sharon
I have studied closely the sixty year history of the UDHR and eleven decades worth of Zionism. Thirty years is not enough to give a full portrait - but even that is enough to show that Ariel Sharon was a blood soaked monster (Sabra and Shatila are not even the half of it), that George Bush is an idiot, and Rumsfeld, Cheney, Feith and Perle entirely evil. Fortunately for Europeans, our newspapers are not universally biased. Your media take you for idiots; hardly surprising, I have to add.
"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe trying to support his family. ... If he didn't know anything, I guess he was SOL (shit out of luck)."
That was from a US GI, 2006. These quotes aren't hard to find. The inhumanity was standard military practice. If you believe otherwise you are lying to yourself. Do some research.
Arab civilisation survived the collapse of the Roman Empire and the retreat of the Ottomans. As such, your Hamas representative is merely observing a likelihood - not confessing to the slaughter of innocents; nor vowing to commence. Many people do not recognise the right of Israel to exist as an apartheid, racist, secular state. The UDHR does not pronounce on political opinion. It concerns itself with inhumane behaviour.
Since Vietnam, the behaviour of the United States military in the Middle and Far East has repeatedly breached most of the UDHR's key articles (not to mention the bloodthirsty pleasure you take in executions back home - usually of poor, black scapegoats). The UDHR was introduced with full US backing as a way to prevent the sort of barbarism committed by the Nazis. Since 2001, your government has emulated many of Chancellor Hitler's earliest policies. You and Likud are driven by lust for power.
Eric, hamas is funded, elected, and supported by a majority of muslims both in the region and world wide. Hizbalah, and similar groups, echo the same sentiments. Your mention of Vietnam omits the fact that the entire democratically elected opposition to the communists had their throats slit. Again, the call went out for help. France, and the USA both answered that call. Oh, did your hero Chomsky forget to mention that? Your assertions remain incomplete, and unsupported.
Look up the charter of Hamas from which I have quoted. This is not one individual making a lone statement. This is the declared intent of Hamas. Eric, do you believe Israel has a right to exist? Or should they be slaughtered? This is the goal of Hamas. The UDHR certainly mentions a peoples right to exist. I read the document. So Eric, I think you need to decide which philosophy you respect. The charter of Hamas, or the UDHR.
Israel helped to finance Hamas at their inception in the eighties, with America's full knowledge. The aim was to divide and conquer - creating a rival group to the secular PLO now that Arafat had begun to be taken seriously by the West. Begin's cronies presumed, correctly, that twats like you would buy into a future argument: we can't talk to the Palestinians - their fundamentalist Moslem terrorists.
(this despite the fact that Begin and Shamir were two of the bloodiest terrorists the middle east has known, with Nazi leanings to boot; name a form of terrorism - apart form suicide bombing as we know it today, which was first used by Marxist atheists, not Moslems - and it was probably developed by the Irgun or the Stern Gang). Hamas DO NOT deny the right of Jews to exist in Palestine. They DO NOT propose ethnic cleansing. They say an exclusively JEWISH state is racist and undemocratic.
In this they are correct. All genocide and ethnic cleansing in the region in C20th was planned by Zionists long before the 1948 uprising, and put into practice soon after. Israel has been an illegal state since 1967, and is being investigated for war crimes. Sharon only escaped by assassinating the key witness to his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982 - carried out by Christians. I can't provide web references for you. LOOK IT UP you coward.
Before Hamas was truly up and running, Arafat - who had already recognised Israel - surprised everyone by renouncing the armed struggle entirely. He knew Rabin to be the only leader seriously interested in peace and the return of the illegally occupied territories (despite the fact that the majority of Israeli citizens have been consistently for this since 1969: currently 67%; where's your democracy there?). In order to proceed with their plan the right wing had Rabin murdered.
At this point his right-hand-man, Perez stood to win a resounding election landslide of unbelievable proportions to proceed with peace. Astoundingly, he did not call one - arguing that it would be "unfair." I don't doubt for one moment that he was terrified by Rabin's murder (unless, of course, he was in on it) for he switched allegiance almost at once and has since been working closely with Sharon and Olmert. A more slippery character cannot be imagined.
From the moment Hamas were democratically elected - in a closely monitored, free and fair election - they have proposed (and mostly observed) ceasefire after ceasefire with a view to dialogue with Israel - the possibility of recognising Israel never being removed from the offer. Olmert (against the better judgement of his own people) has refused to recognise the Hamas government and has violated any number of human rights in attempting to blanket punish the citizens of Gaza for their choice.
Moreover, your "Christian" government (whose cerebrally challenged president claims to talk directly to God, and the majority of whose people seem too ignorant, lazy and prejudiced to recognise freedom and fairness when it stares them in the face) have devoted the last two years to pouring weapons into Palestine in the hope of precipitating civil war. You claim to export democracy, but - hypocrites as ever - you back corrupt and authoritarian regimes in preference to the choice of the people.
Believe me, Hamas would "recognise" Israel if Israel recognised Hamas. But the IDF launch air strikes and so called "incursions" whenever it looks as though there could be dialogue - and especially when the world's press is looking the other way. These incursions are entirely illegal; aimed at brutalising unarmed civilians (there are always at least as many women and children murdered as so called terrorists). Unlike their people, the Israeli government does not want peace.
Israel, and the united states as well as many other nations provide financial assistance for humanitarian purposes to the Palestinians. The rest of your statement is pure dipshittery, and bollocks.
When Dolly Parton invited Cat Stevens to America to raise financial assistance for humanitarian purposes, your dumb president's cronies had him turned back in Canada. You support the illegal prevention of supplies to hospitals and orphanages in Gaza so that helpless children and fragile adults will perish. Your attitude to your own first peoples is that they are "Indians"; to Arabs that they are "ragheads." And you claim to be humanitarian. No wonder the USA is despised throughout the world.
Again, for for the nth time i am asking for the source of this ridiculous quote. Eric, If you can not provide the source even for yourslef, then why do you persist to accept it as the gospel truth? US , and UK soldiers do not operate with orders as you described, and such conduct is a violation of the USMJ.
Don't bunch US and UK armies together in this. UK soldiers learned the hard way to police Northern Ireland while your countrymen were proud sponsors of terrorism. When America's poodle took us into this illegal war, our army was careful from the get-go to respect the populace. Not surprising: there's a deal of respect between Moslems and Christians at home. We have many Moslems in our army. To you, however, they are all "Islamofascist terrorists." What hope is there with such ingrained hatred?
Eric, we saw the muslim protest marches in the streets of London. We also saw and heard what they were demanding. Who are you trying to fool? me? or yourself? Also I am happy to inform you that the UK and the USA, as well as other nations, are working together on Iraq. We are deeply apreciative of the soldiers from the UK, and thier experiance.
Nice that you appreciate my countrymen brutalising shoulder to shoulder with yours. I'd love to give links, but am prevented. Search for yourself: "Caught on Tape - British Soldiers Beating Iraqi Children" Look familiar? You would need to have been watching in the eighties: 'twas a regular sight in Gaza, the West Bank, and Bethlehem. What's changed? Oh, just that the IDF use snipers now, aiming for elbows and kneecaps. The rational? Crippled children can't work and will further bankrupt the PA.
The longer you force young men to act like God as armed occupiers in the face of a resentful native populace, the nastier it gets. Every time. Britain's final nadir in Ireland was Bloody Sunday, America's in Viet Nam was Mai Lai. We've already had many in Iraq - and they're getting worse. Why? BECAUSE WE DON"T F**KING BELONG THERE: not now; not in the first place. Blind patriotism will not change this truth. Israel and China are laughing at us: is not imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
Eric, the PM of Iraq has implored us to stay, and the people, of Iraq, are participating in their free democratic process even though insurgents threaten to kill those who vote. The Iraqi civilians taken by force and later found dead were not killed by Americans. No one is playing God Eric, coalition forces are simply trying to defend civilians, from thugs. As for China, neither Taiwan nor Tibet have invited PLA forces over for tea.
The "Iraqi civilians taken by force" would not be dead if you weren't there in the first place. Rumsfeld organised to wreck the entire infrastructure and replace it with - nothing. Not even guards posted outside the police stations, universities and museums (though plenty around the oil depots). Sheer evil, incompetence, or both. And guess what? Violence ensued. Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq before 2004. You as good as invited them in.
Eric first you established that suicide bombing is acceptable in your judgment. Now your are explaining to the youtube readers that taking civilians as hostage for the purpose of brutal execution is fine too? As I stated before, the Iraqi people prefer not to be taken hostage and beheaded. I share there feelings on the matter, which is why I understand there desire to have protection from such threats. Many thanks to the soldiers of the coalition forces who provide hope for Iraq.
What readers? They deserted this pointless exchange long ago. It's just you and me. Flinging insults 'cause you are too pompous to read the facts, and mistake wilful ignorance and bigotry for patriotism - or faith. Jesus' number one message was one of tolerance; you disgrace Him. You insist that all Moslems celebrate violence and that the bombing of civilians in Baghdad was "just a light show." I suppose the Moslem businessmen you claim to know relish you calling them "pisslamic savages?"
Well, you have labored hard to explain that suicide bombings rocket launchings and transit tube bombings are all dandy. Did you expect a compliment from me? I really find it very hard to beleive you really from the UK. i wonder how your fellow citizens would feel about you? Jesus taught peace, mohamad taught to "..make a great slaughter of the nonbeleivers.."( Sura 47:4). I think we all know what side of the fence your on.
Sura 47:4 does not say "..make a great slaughter of the nonbeleivers [sic]..". Nowhere in 47 is the "slaughter" of nonbelievers (correct spelling) mentioned. Nor have I, on this page or anywhere else, "laboured hard to explain that suicide bombings rocket launchings and transit tube bombings " You like to make things up, don't you?
On the contrary, I abhor all violence whilst you devote yourself to inciting it. You seem to be labouring (correct spelling) under the misapprehension that I am Moslem (and therefore an animal, right?). All I have in common with Islam is a love of truth, education, compassion - and the real teaching of Jesus. Your kind have rejected each of these to wage brutal, fundamentalist war on faiths you declare as opposing. You claim your God is on your side. He detests war. You are ruthless hypocrites.
The Latin name after which you style yourself was much like you - pompous and hollow. He styled himself a Stoic philosopher, but was personally given to adultery and indulged in all the sensual pleasures Nero could lay on (whilst Rome slaughtered Christians). Your Neo-Con buddies such as Krauthammer love to compare themselves to Romans. You wallow in wealth and sensual pleasure and claim you are engaged in a "Clash of Civilisations." Like the Rome of Nero, your bankrupt empire is on the way out.
Islam survived the collapse of the last Classical empire. But Muhammad valued all learning. Universities were developed to perpetuate the knowledge of the world in Allah's name. Thanks to them - and following the bloody crusades (when the streets of Jerusalem last ran red with the blood of women and children slaughtered, as ever, by "Christians") - we enjoyed the Renaissance and the Age or Reason, the rebirth of Democracy and Liberty - all of which your precious Patriot Act seeks to undermine.
The people of the book - be they truly Jewish, Christian, or Moslem - all abhor your violence and greed, your colonisation of other's lands, your brutal genocides, your theft and squandering of the world's resources. They wait patiently for you to either come to your senses or destroy yourselves. If the latter, I don't doubt that Islam will survive the collapse of the "Neo Roman Empire." It will survive the implosion of the racist "Jewish" State. Let me be clear, true Judaism will survive also.
True Jews, like true Christians, are humble and penitent. They don't crow about "crusades" and how many Arabs they would like to see "reduced to a fine pink mist". They neither fear death nor seek it. True Moslems are submissive and merciful. You right wing fundamentalists are violent hypocrites. You revel in brutality; you indulge in self gratification. In sexual terms, you are by turns wankers and rapists - so vain you cannot conceive of making love.
St Paul summed it up simply: "faith, hope, and charity. But the greatest of these is Love." The maker of the film above has produced a sort of violent pornography, devoid of compassion, using "love" merely in sarcasm. Your hearts are so shrivelled, you do not know the meaning of the word. You remind me of your bible belt preachers and politicians who rant against gays and are then caught in airport toilets making lewd propositions to strangers. Christianity does not have to equal Hypocrisy.
But for a man who likes to pose as learned and a truth seeker, you prove yourself a wanker. Rather than read history, you fumble about on YouTube manufacturing "facts" to make yourself appear clever. But no one is watching, Seneca. I can waste no more time disputing with a liar. If you really want the truth, you will find it. Meanwhile, I will leave you by yourself in your darkened bedroom, firing off vain, self serving venom into the ether. Have a nice life.
And yet we have the chutzpah to claim that we are "civilising" the Arabs. Their brand of agrarian civilisation was frugal, considerate, learned and sustainable; it overcame the dark ages and returned Europe to reason. Ours is wasteful, greedy, violent and dumbed-down; we have rejected reason in favour of emotional self-gratification, on the one hand, and nutty religious doggerel about "End Times" on the other. I'm pretty sure which approach is more likely to survive. You, Seneca, are history.
Well, well, check your own posts. You have written at great length defending the violent exploits of muslims, while attacking Westerners for events in other centuries. But if you and pisslam are in agreement with me in deploring violence, where is the incitement? Surely i am free to have a low opinion of suicide bomber recruiters? Yes, you are still full of shit.
btw, Eric, The Muslim friends that i have are fully aware of my feelings, and indeed share a disgust for what has become of their faith. Which is why they do not feel safe returning to their nations of origin. They live in peace and safety now. None of them likes to talk about islam very much. One fellow was an officer of the Egyptian Army during the war with Israel. I asked him if he ever visits the mosque down the road, he said "once, but never again, because they are crazy."
"Peace and safety:" the freedom to share your disgust for Moslems and listen in admiration while you rant about "pisslamic" terrorists, quipping at them not to get their "burkas in a bunch." Oh, the hilarity of a late night at home with you. And how lucky they are to be shielded from their own savage impulses by the White Man's Burden - in you personified. I can take no more of your twisted narcissism. Have a nice wank. You are on your own. GOOD BYE.
lol, its called common sense and decency. Will you be in the tube next time they decide to go boom boom? Will you make excuses for them on that day as you have in these posts? Oh deary me, how i would love to read you posts as you write them from hell. No doubt you will have a different attitude. Thanks, i shall indeed have a nice day. Cheerio nazi boy.
Dear seneca67, ya right, Israel & the Jews need NOTHING from the Mid East, except airspace & dysfunctional Islamist loons 2 leave them alone. Islamists ONLY have Israel 2 focus on as, sadly, no Islamic state has anything 2 offer anyone much. Except 4 the geopgraphical accident of oil, all developed by Western engineers, science, & economies run 80% by foreign workers. Locals not so keen on productive work. DrSanity blogspot. Thereligionofpeace. ColonelRobertNeville blogspot.
Gmakepiece... You make very valid points so I hope you can become more creative in your dialogs with those less knowledgeable. They obviously are swayed easy so get them on our side brother. You have skills.
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This group will follow the knowledge as coming down from the parampara of Sri. Achyuta Dasa, under the guidence of Param Guru Pt.Sanjay Rath of Sri Jagannath Vedic Center.
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eric, you leftists, liberal, communist son of a bitch!! This person seneca has it right!! your video sucks!! your not an american!! if you like the ragheads so much, get out of my country and live with them!!! your nothing but a piece of shit, you should be dragged out of what ever shithole your in and SHOT!!! the coran is based on nothing but lies, violence and death!!! mohamid was a raider, murderer, and rapeist! and eric, jihad means holy war!!! so much for you knowing jackshit!!!
Cynical manipulation. You juxtapose images of "evil jehadists", but forget to show the: eighteen year old Israeli conscripts trained to maim and kill Palestinian toddlers; nineteen year old US privates haunted by their own evil after following orders to enter Baghdad burning every woman & child in sight with flamethrowers whilst their army-issue CDs pumped out the thrash-metal, "Burn Mother***ker, Burn Mother***ker..."
Tell me how to post weblnks and I'll try. I've tried, but rational discourse is limited. This seems to be where teenagers trade bigoted insults - and I can't be aqrsed to pursue it further. Were you less bigoted, you might take the trouble to research some of my "baseless" allegations yourself. You have google. Do a search. In the mean time, I'm absenting myself from this unpleasant little page. You are in poor company, Seneca. Doesn't that make you question your own blind judgement a little?
Tell me how to post weblnks and I'll try. I've tried, but rational discourse is limited. This seems to be where teenagers trade bigoted insults - and I can't be aqrsed to pursue it further. Were you less bigoted, you might take the trouble to research some of my "baseless" allegations yourself. You have google. Do a search. In the mean time, I'm absenting myself from this unpleasant little page. You are in poor company, Seneca. Doesn't that make you question your own blind judgement a little?
Eric, I am in the company of those who value freedom, and know the difference between right and wrong. You appear to be in the company of those who never read a single news paper, or paid attention to the events of the last 30 years. You make excuses for groups like hamas, while attempting to vilify those who defend from the jihadists. Your profile indicates that you are an software engineer, yet you repeatedly misspell the word "asked", and you do not know how to post a web link.
One bit of advice eric, if your going to post bold faced lies like the flamethrower statement, be prepared to be publicly humiliated. Say goodbye to your credibility too.
I have jack shit to do with software. "Arsed" is spelled as I spell it. As a yank, you don't know your "arse" from your elbow, and spell it like an infertile donkey. The US "export" of "freedom" is the biggest lie of C20th. Should you wake from your blind slumber long enough to read or listen to Noam Chomsky you will understand. And the only difference between suicide bombing and illegaly dropping uranium tipped weapons on innocent civilians is that the latter is more cowardly.
The flamethrower incident features in a film by your own countryman. An American soldier described to it in his own words. As I say, I could provide links - but I don't think this site permits it. Why not search "Burn MotherF**ker" and find it? Warfare is unspeakably twisted, but your newspapers have painted it as a struggle of good and evil with America and Israel in the white cowboy hats. This is as much of a lie as that used in your genocide of the First Peoples.
Eric, do you have any way of substantiating this your statement: "US privates haunted by their own evil after following orders to enter Baghdad burning every woman & child.." Can you think of any moment in modern history when muslims were attacked by western forces without provocation? You and Chomsky both conveniently omit the circumstances under which fighting takes place. Then draw no moral judgment against the near daily atrocities of muslims.
On a purely rational level, Seneca, you need to pull your head out of the sand. But when so called "Christians" advocate war - and attempt to demonise whole civilisations to justify their own greedy thirst for oil - their burning of which is currently destroying this planet and plunging four fifths of the world into deep suffering, those of us who have some real understanding of Christ's message are going to cry "Hypocrite." You are a pompous ass (which, by the way is an animal - not your bum).
geez, we just can't seem to make you happy, no matter how hard we try. But i guess the suicide bombers are your special delight eh? Will yo be joining thier ranks one day? You are a disgrace to your flag. The Queen Mum should give you a good drumming.
I do regret that, in pursuing this futile exchange with you, I am giving credence to the crappy little piece of sedition above - which you cling to as a "truthful" portrayal of Islam. Arabs cannot understand why Americans are even blind to the horrors perpetrated on Christians by the occupiers. Truth is, you're willing victims of propaganda. Read Rachel Corrie. The last US and Israeli statesmen truly to work for peace were Carter and Rabin respectively. Rabin was murdered by friends of yours.
Lastly, if we're going to split hairs about spelling, you should learn to use an apostrophe in the contraction of "you" and "are." And I have not heard of "bold faced" lies before. I think "bare faced" is what you were fumbling for. As for Moslems being attacked without provocation, who do you think provoked the latest Iraq war? Who was dumb enough to claim September 11th was plotted by Sadam Hussein? Jesus, you yanks are dumb. And, before I really start, do you think of the IDF as "Western?"
The difference between suicide bombing and use of armor penetrating rounds is that suicide bombers are killing innocent civilians indiscriminately, while the US soldier is aiming his weapon at the person who is attempting to kill. You mention courage/ cowardice: the terrorist have begun sending in women with down syndrome to carry the bombs. These women probably never had a clue what they were doing. Meanwhile the terrorists remain hidden away as cowards do.
Perhaps if you were paying attention to the recent events of the last 15 years you might understand that the Iraq war started with Saddam invading Kuwait, and the US, UK, and others answered the call for help from Kuwait. No fly zones were established over Iraq to prevent further internal genocides, and Saddam was asked to document the disposal of chemical weapons. Saddam refused to cooperate, and fired on US and UK aircraft patrolling the NF zones. Does any of that ring a bell?
You mention the History of Christianity, but you are unaware of the basics of the last 2 decades. I suggest you included a broader set of reading material, as naom chomsky is no historian, but a linguist, with a very biased view. By the why have you ever met any refugees form places where muslims attacked villages and slaughtered families? We you be telling them they are wrong to fight back?
Unlike your friends, I do not profess, hypocritically, to Christianity. As with Moslems, I recognise great words when I see them - and the words of Christ are great. You would prefer to ignore them in favour of "armour piercing rounds." This places you in league with the devil - and, by extension, with the "terrorists" you claim to abhor. Sorry; that's just how it is. I did not write the Gospels - I simply pay attention to their message.
Ultimately, it is not just my moral scruples that you offend. It is reason itself. Very few moslems (and certainly not myself) view the first Gulf War as unjustified - even though US diplomats gave tacit assurance to Sadam Hussein that the US would not concern itself with his "border dispute" with Kuwait. Hussein's invasion broke the rules. Yours, in response, did not. There was, however, no provocation for the second war. There was no evidence of WMD. The UN did not back a war.
Saddam had WMD's and indeed used them on his own people. The "No fly" zones were established to prevent further atrocities. We were not wondering if he had them, we were expecting him to let inspectors witness the disposal of these weapons. The "second war" was merely a realization that we did not wish to maintain No fly zones for eternity. But to be honest, I know that many Arabs resented Americans on their soil, which is why I wish my country had not bothered to defend them.
You declared the UN "irrelevant" and went ahead with the war anyway. This was not only immoral - it was unwise. It bankrupted your moral credibility in the world - and it may take a great statesman (perhaps Obama) to restore it. The concept of "Shock and Awe" is sheer terrorism. There is no other word for it. The aim is to terrorise - and many of your young GIs stepped up to the plate on that one. If you should ever meet a Moslem soldier, you will be surprised at his level of compassion.
The UN authorized each and every single thing the coalition did, and they followed the chaters to the letter. Go see for yourself. "Shock and awe" was a light show. Substation were shut down, and Saddams military was neutralized. Civilians were not targeted at all. Meanwhile we still find headless bodies of Iraqi civilians to this day. Who kills people like that? Why did muslim terrorists threaten Iraqis with death if they participated in a free election?
You make broad sweeping statements, with conveniently broad sweeping omissions of supporting fact. Will you be explaining to the victims at Beslam, Darfur, or Mogadishu, that they must accept being murdered without attempting to defend themselves because Eric thinks Christians are bad?
Sadly, right wing, xenophobic American Christians do not appear to understand the meaning of compassion. This is why I call you hypocrites. Your understanding of diplomacy boils down to the cowboy cliché, "shoot first and ask questions later." This may have "Won" you the "West" in that unspeakable genocide of Native Americans. I guarantee you that it will not win you the middle east. Arabs have long memories and a strong sense of justice. You are too dumb to begin to understand them.
We stood up to the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan, defended and fed Somalians, defended Kosovars, defended Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and now Iraq itself. We have led the world in humanitarian aid historically. I will let our true history speak for itself. We are far from Xenophobes. Regarding the Indians, I would suggest you try to tackle current events before you get hopelessly confused by the history of another century. There are two sides to that story any ways.
You make broad sweeping statements, with conveniently broad sweeping omissions of supporting fact. Will you be explaining to the victims at Beslam, Darfur, or Mogadishu, that they must accept being murdered without attempting to defend themselves because Eric thinks Christians are bad?
The money you put into "aid" comes mostly with strings attached - that the money is spent on US corporations. It generally arrives as loans or not at all, and saddles third world countries (and Europe, sixty years ago, when you appropriated the world's gold supply) with crippling debt. For every humanitarian effort there has been a Pinochet or Musharraf installed by the US. Afghanistan is unconquerable. By backing the Muhahedeen, you nursed Bin Laden.
In order to preserve BP oil, you wrecked a healthy Iranian parliamentary democracy and replaced it with the Shah. When Iran - not previously given to radicalism - deposed that tyrant, you turned to a godless bloodthirsty criminal, Sadam Hussein, to fight your crusade - with billions of dollars of your "aid" in the form of weapons, nuclear, and chemical weapons technology - used both on Iran and the beleaguered Kurds in Halabjah. To silence the key witness to your war crime, you backed execution.
And now your "war on terror" is keeping alive the ruthless brutality of every tyrant from Putin to Qadafi to Hu Jintao. I don't deny that the US once represented a "light unto nations" - but that light has been extinguished by ruthless self-interest of capitalist and Neo-Cons. As Trotsky once put it, "when the last capitalist is hung, it will be on a rope he sold us."
All they need is some Razors for their Women and wax their Mustache and you may have happier Muslims. If Women looked like they do in the Middle East I guess we would have tens of thousands of people ready to strap and bomb to their asses and blow shit up... We need to send Razors, not Bullets over there along with some Soap and Toilet Paper and we would have a happier World over there......
dlandbob 1 year ago
Only the Dem's and Lib'st believe love is all you need. We need to send all the bleeding hart liberals and Dem's over there with there hands out thinking the Taliban well kiss it and lets be friends. The Taliban well shoot them and drag there dead bodies through the streets. Then we can go over there and blow the crap out them with out the liberal Dem's crying about it
swiftles 1 year ago
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imaginarythings 1 year ago
we are going to need more than love
majorl31 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job so the CIA could control the heroin fields in afghanistan -- hey sounds just like the iran contra scandle and the CIA importing cocaine into the US
they want us to hate and fight each other-- its part of thier plan/ divide and conquer
lowaces 1 year ago
sure we need love. i love good iranian who don't hate us but for their leader screw them
Englishmen1940 2 years ago
Imagine...
watch?v=MCWxzivI-J8
(starts a bit on the slow side...)
VenusFriend 2 years ago
Guys, we can talk all day long. Bout liberals radicals demos and repubs. But really. When it comes down to it....all we need is love. So lets focus on that
hellogov 2 years ago 3
Irony!!!
flaschenbottles 2 years ago
i hope your proud of youreslf sick media
kingoflamegame 3 years ago
Tomorrow's Democrat. Need to fill the party with more of these faithful followers.
thku4grace 3 years ago
OH if we can just try to understand why we are so bad then may the terorists will stop.
FUCKING IDIOT DEMS,, DOG SLAP EVERY DEMOCRAT YOU SEE TODAY
heyazzhole 3 years ago 6
No joke. Wtf do they care what we think. The terrorists are the true racists. But those damn liberals are too busy pussy-footing around accepting this and accepting that, too afraid tp hurt peoples feelings. Shut up and stop blinding yourselves.
hazlettboy 3 years ago 10
@heyazzhole I'm a democrat im not anti-american just not happy with idiots like Bush invading countries like Iraq wich was none of our business. I dare you to dog slap me I would slap the taste out of your mouth.
carnypimp 1 year ago
God bless America.
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
I second that, God bless America.
seneca67 3 years ago 3
Lang lebe Amerika das Land das Gewalt verursacht und sich wundert wenn es zu einem zurückkommt
Kasimoto93 3 years ago
zionest suck.
ranoosha1210 3 years ago
Dear ranoosha1210, er, you say "zionist suck". "Looking through a back bent tulip" are you? Or maybe you're asking for a Zionist to blow you? Or are you just well, an Islamist freak or a Leftard? No diff really, eh? "You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow..." Er, you're unpopular with the opposite sex and you stink, right? Gotta, Mister!
gmakepiece 3 years ago
human drama, the eternal emotion of men.
NovakMary 3 years ago 2
so was ist asii einfach wa
938636012 3 years ago
for those who've taken the time to read through the many comments, first - my apologies. second, it is my sincere hope that the majority of those who have read these find seneca to be precisely what is wrong with intellectual debate. brutish, simple-minded, and constantly boxing his ears to misuse his debaters responses or simply disregard them entirely, seneca has proven himself to be not only uninformed, but the worst kind of sanctimonious, history-free american.
correctiontable 3 years ago
What the heck does this Beatles song have to do with any of the depicted events?
Warjacki 3 years ago
Do we really have to explain this to you???
Instead of Hate and Violence...
Love one and other!!!
HydrOxyBoost 3 years ago
A summary of Eric colvin's bullshit thus far: Eric has expressed approval for hostage taking, and executions of hostages, suicide bombings, rocketing targets such as school yards, and the bombings at the Tube in the UK. Among his lengthy posts he has also unwittingly acknowledged that Saddam did indeed have WMDs', and that Iraqi civilians are being killed by the muslim insurgents. Eric, have I missed anything, would you like to endorse any other reprehensible acts?
seneca67 3 years ago
I confirmed that US supplied much of the technology which went into production of chemical weapons and development of nuclear weapons in the eighties. You also supplied nuclear technology to Israel. This in defiance of proliferation treaties which you had signed. The "intelligence" that Saddam still possessed any usable weapons of that nature in 2002 was entirely false - distortion and complete invention pedalled by the Neo Cons to "justify" and illegal war.
EricColvin 3 years ago
provide your proof. Sine none of the worlds press have managed to scoop such a story, you should be in line for a pulitzer prize. provide your proof.
seneca67 3 years ago
Iteresting that you chose not to rebute the fact that you actually do approve of suicide bombings and the tube bombings... You only spoke to the issue of the wmd, lol Aren't you a peice of work.
seneca67 3 years ago
I don't need to. The evidence is right here. Look back over this pointless dialogue and provide one quote to support your claims as to my "expressed approval." The difference between seneca67 and EricColvin is that I do not lie. The world's press - indeed America's press - has reported often since 1984 on US licensing companies to supply chemical and biological technology to Iraq. The "proof" is all over the web. You are in denial. Commendably patriotic; but dumb.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, feel free to point out exaclty where I lied to you. Your a troll, and I have little further time for antiprocess arguments from wannabee menbers of Hams such as yourself.
seneca67 3 years ago
I hate ad hominem idiots like you who come on here and call everybody trolls.
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
maybe you should read teh dialogue between Eric and me. I spent plenty of time "chatting" with him and attempting to discuss facts.
seneca67 3 years ago
And then you gave up!!! Your a quitter. Thats all I need to know!
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
what the hell? i didn't give up? i respond to comments on this thread. I responded to yours idiot. Did i miss something? well excuse me, i track a fairly large number of threads. how about throwing me a heads up if you care to read a response
seneca67 3 years ago
Ad Hominem ALERT! You did it again! Ah well I forgive you! As long as were both right it's all okay. As for the left... well I had an idea of an ammendment for them.
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
very simple, i am not a quitter. Much time has been spent responding to posts, including yours. Do you have a point you wish to advance, or would your prefer to grind your gears?
seneca67 3 years ago
I calls em as I sees em.
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
From your response i take it that you have no rel event point to contribute? Ok I did my bit for the cause. Where is your weeks long thread debating with pro hamas idiots? Oh you don't have any...lol ok. You deride others for adhominem, but that is all you have to offer.. well, I invited you to meaningful discussion, and you copped out. So it seems rather than a quitter, you are a non starter. Jolly good show, ol chap.
seneca67 3 years ago
Actually I have plenty of month long arguments. Haha that's funny that you mention that to me. I see you and your boyfriend enjoy ad homineming back and forth eh?
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
So dear seneca67, Such is Colvin the classic Leftard & semi closet anti-semite, anti-Western bedfellow of Islamist rapists & killers. No event or evidence will ever change him. Au contraire, all facts & evidence that discredit his fraud merely prove to him thta he's right. Such types have always been this way. They're described exactly in Joseph Conrads The Secret Agent, Dr Sanity blogspot com, dissectleft blogspot com & the peoples cube com. Keep up the excellent work, Seneca. U have my vote
gmakepiece 3 years ago
So dear seneca67, Such is Colvin the classic Leftard & semi closet anti-semite, anti-Western bedfellow of Islamist rapists & killers. No event or evidence will ever change him. Au contraire, all facts & evidence that discredit his fraud merely prove to him thta he's right. Such types have always been this way. They're described exactly in Joseph Conrads The Secret Agent, Dr Sanity blogspot com, dissectleft blogspot com & the peoples cube com. Keep up the excellent work, Seneca. U have my vote.
gmakepiece 3 years ago
Dear seneca67, sadly, U R merely empirically & factually correct on every count. Eric the half bee Colvin meanwhile, has subject change, denial, apologia, lies, being a phoney, moral relativism, delusion & endless logical fallacy on his side. Your intelligence is no match for Erics ignorance.
gmakepiece 3 years ago
Dear Gmakepiece, thank you for your advice and support. I shall endeavor to represent the truth and pursue same with integrity and vigor.
seneca67 3 years ago
Lastly, Seneca, I'm not providing excuses for suicide bombings. Your country has done that wonderfully for the last sixty years (with the exception of the eighties), by egging on violent, racist setters to hijack Israel's constitution in the name of ethnic cleansing. Without US bigotry, Islamic suicide bombers would not exist. The sooner you learn to respect Moslems as you claim to 'respect' the people you call "indians," the sooner you may overcome the extremism which your extremism engenders.
EricColvin 3 years ago
You have pasted alot a lot about "zionism" from your zazi web site, but what does that have to do with muslim terror world wide? Are we to beleive that muslim were fighting zionism in Darfur? Beslam? India? the UK, France? Nigeria? Thialand? Are those zionist really that pervasive? You should have your head examined.
seneca67 3 years ago
You weary me, S. You're not very good at insults. If you would like to pursue a rational dialogue, e-mail me. Jewish terrorists might not have existed without the overt and tacit anti-semitism of the C19th; Moslem terrorism would not have gained ground last century without the new breed of post-war anti-semites who aim to show Arabs as expendably sub-human. I visited no racist sites to gather the quotes (what is a 'zazi web site', anyway?). They're verifiable in libraries from published books.
EricColvin 3 years ago
My key point is that, if you truly believe that all Moslems take pleasure in suicide and terror, then you have been misled by propaganda. If you perpetuate this propaganda in the name of Christ, you are truly a hypocrite; the aim of the film above is to increase sectarian hate and bloodshed. I insult Americans because they need to listen more and sneer less. I insult you because of your blind, vain, pride. You spew venom against Moslems in the way that your forebears sneered at the Chinese.
EricColvin 3 years ago
The truth is that the majority of human beings are easy to understand if you choose to understand them. There are plenty of Americans whom I also love. Your country has the finest constitution in history. As democratic citizens, you should exercise your right to criticise. Believe it or not, most Israelis do; but they are lumbered with an unrepresentative government bent on colonisation, corrupted by power, backed by your thoughtless countrymen.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Until you get yourselves a president prepared to speak softly and not just wave his big stick, the situation for America can only worsen. Dollars are not proof of God's favour. You have not read far enough back in Iran's history if you don't know about how we worked to overthrow parliamentary democracy in Iran. You need to look at the history of North Africa, Russia, and the Middle East from 1890 to 1960 to understand what I am talking about. "Bollocks" is such an ugly word, don't you think?
EricColvin 3 years ago
In short, America has spent roughly sixty years deepening the hole it is in. It's time to stop digging. It only took the Madrid train bombings for the Spanish to realise they needed to rethink their foreign policy. They did not sell out; they took an objective (and I believe highly moral) standpoint. Had America reacted to 9/11 with similar dignity and insight, the world would be a less evil place. But your lust for revenge led you to an aggressive war with a blameless country.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Ironically, the only country to benefit from the havoc you wreaked in Iraq has been Iran: a country you have consistently failed to control; you never shall until you learn to control your temper. Revenge is never just. The best hope for the Middle East, right now, is to help Israel become a single, truly democratic, multi-faith nation in which Arabs are no longer second class citizens. I believe this can be achieved within twenty years - without Apocalypse. But then I'm not a fundamentalist.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Seneca, I believe there is hope for you - but you must read more widely, and listen less to the architects of hatred. I have never said I approved of suicide bombers. But I deplore State Terror. And, like the farmers next door in Orwell's "Animal Farm", American capital has got itself so mired international oppression, that the animals can no longer tell the difference between pigs and farmers. Gotta go now.
EricColvin 3 years ago
I take it you hate zionists? But, where are these naughty zioniosts eric? Are they suicide bombing markets, discos, busses like the muslims do daily? Are they hijacking planes like the muslims do? Did they shoot up airports like Muslims did in teh eighties in france? Gee Eric, take your blinders off.
seneca67 3 years ago
They sure did. Read your history between 1930 and 1960. Ariel Sharon specialised in setting light to Palestinian houses whilst the occupants were still inside, then shooting them as they came out. In 2001/2002, his army were dispatched to pull Palestinian houses down on top of the occupants - terrified civilians. For three years, the IDF have been shooting and shelling women and children in Gaza without conscience. You are wilfully ignorant of this. No wonder your kind are hated.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, the sheer daily number of killings perpetrated by muslims totally eclipses any other group in history. why are you so unwilling to acknowledge what can be seen every day?
seneca67 3 years ago
For your information Israel is a multi ethinic multi religious nation. Gets some facts. I have met many Arab, muslims who have lived and owned buusinesses there. They had no complaints about living in Israel.
seneca67 3 years ago
In that sense, so is Iran. And there are, believe it or not, lots of happy Jewish and Christian businessmen there too. That does not mean that the State of Israel is not racist - nor that the state of Iran is not sectarian. A Moslem businessman in America might be richer than many of your redneck buddies on this site, and have few complaints. But you still call him raghead and seek to imply that his faith incites suicide bombers. You are being either ignorant or wilfully divisive.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Iran and Israel are not even remotely comparable to each other. Why did i know you would pull that particular comparison?
seneca67 3 years ago
For your information Israel is a multi ethinic multi religious nation. Gets some facts. I have met many Arab, muslims who have lived and owned buusinesses there. They had no complaints about living in Israel.
seneca67 3 years ago
Eric, do you really think that people who blow up trains should have a voice in advancing a political goal? yet you assume the moral authority to pass judgements on a nation that has spent sixty years defending the free world? very lame.
seneca67 3 years ago
Why not? All the leaders of Israel were formerly ruthless terrorists. The leaders of Sinn Fein were equally brutal. George Washington was prepared to use a bit of violence to get his way. Was backing Pinochet "defending the free world?" Trading with China? Sending guns and chemical weapons to Sadam Hussein's repressive regime? Financing the IRA? Why, Seneca, do you think the world hates you?
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, are you really British? or the son of a muslim terrorist? Would you like to explain to the families who lost loved ones on that tube, that you feel the bombings were perfectly fine? And no, the USA never provided chemical weapons to saddam, but thank you for at least acknowledging that he had WMD's. perhaps that is a breakthrough. Good work.
seneca67 3 years ago
Eric, Iran was originally a multi ethnic, multi religious nation, and a popular vacation spot. (-great skiing there.) I think you should speak with the refugees from Iran to get a good understanding of what has happened. America had nothing to do with the Revolution, which was far more brutal than any crimes the Shah was accused of. They are hanging kids in that nation currently. Kids! But your only concern is with unverifiable gibber about America.
seneca67 3 years ago
I was at school with kids from Iran. As I said before, you need to read back far further in history to understand why the people chose to overthrow the Shah. He was a tyrant - installed by the West in the late fifties. And his installation ended Iran's first truly multi ethnic, multi-religious parliamentary democracy. The reason we overthrew their Parliament? They dared to nationalise their oil industry. Look it up. There's no point discussing history if you're too lazy to read it.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Beleive what you want, but Iran is far more volent to its own citizens now, than the shah was on his worst day. I am familiar with the history. Please prove that "we" installed the shah. Just more gibbering pablum from eric, well done.
seneca67 3 years ago
I am not perpetuating propaganda, nitwit. Even al gazeera acknowledges suicide bombings when they happen. I am not making this up. You can see muslim suicide bombers praised on middle eastern tv. This is simply not acceptable
seneca67 3 years ago
Al Jazeera (which you can't even spell) has never praised suicide bombers. You lie through your teeth. It's not surprising. I expect the only channel you watch is Fox TV.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, you must be the only asshole that is unaware of the vast selection of news sources, world wide that show Middle eastern, arab, and muslims leaders praising martyrs, suicide bombers. Fundraising telethons have been broadcast on middle eastern tv for families of suicide bombers.! Praise comes from muslim professors, Imams, and even elected officials. It is very easy to find this material. Rarely found is a muslim that criticizes suicide bombings.
seneca67 3 years ago
what was this gibberish? Its is simple Eric, there were no zionist in INdia, Bangledesh, afrika, or bali, and many otehr places. yet Muslims were there, killing. The excuses are getting pretty weak, boy.
seneca67 3 years ago
How do you propose I have a chat "with them?" Your 'respect' has done wonders to erase them "from the page of time," to coin a phrase. "Doing well" my arse. They are waiting until your "end times" arrive and all you God fearing 'Christians' get taken up to heaven with all those Jews you expect to convert after the great Apocalypse you are rooting for Dubya to bring about. Maybe, then, the rest of us can repair the damage, get on with our lives in peace, and good riddance to the lot of you.
EricColvin 3 years ago
I don't speak bullshit. I quote facts selectively because that's what your "Christian" brothers do over there in Yank land, again and again, to justify your precious "Dominion". So long as you continue to equate piety with Capitalism, you will be on the "side" of Satan (if there are any sides). That is why I call you hypocrites. It pleases me that I have disrupted your smug self regard. Trust the self-doubt you have felt; it may yet guide you towards paradise. Meanwhile, Seneca, I'm outta here.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Know what? I'm not as obsessed as you with preserving my own life at the expense of the four billion people in the world who are placed in penniless slavery by OUR selfish and profligate life "style." There are no excuses for your country's brutal self interest - and no Christian excuses for your support of the war mongers. 99.9% of Moslems have no truck with bombers of any description - unlike your countrymen who are obsessed with violence because it makes you feel great.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Ericcolvin, all you have done is provide bullshit excuses for suicide bombings, and there really are no excuses at all for such actions. I wonder when the recruiters for the suicide bombers will strap on some semtex themselves? But they always manage to find someone else to receive that honor don't they? I wonder if they would appreciate your cheering them on? Or would they slaughter you along with all westerners and arabs alike as standard procedure?
seneca67 3 years ago
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, October 2001
EricColvin 4 years ago
"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem"
EricColvin 4 years ago
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."
Ben-Gurion, 1948
EricColvin 4 years ago
"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."
Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923
EricColvin 4 years ago
"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl 1895
EricColvin 4 years ago
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
EricColvin 4 years ago
""We must expel Arabs and take their places." Ben Gurion 1937
EricColvin 4 years ago
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the Jordan River for future generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." Israel Shamir 1990
EricColvin 4 years ago
"I am willing to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so they will run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues, I don't care. And I don't mind if you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and jail me for life. Hang me if you want ... the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." Ariel Sharon
EricColvin 4 years ago
I have studied closely the sixty year history of the UDHR and eleven decades worth of Zionism. Thirty years is not enough to give a full portrait - but even that is enough to show that Ariel Sharon was a blood soaked monster (Sabra and Shatila are not even the half of it), that George Bush is an idiot, and Rumsfeld, Cheney, Feith and Perle entirely evil. Fortunately for Europeans, our newspapers are not universally biased. Your media take you for idiots; hardly surprising, I have to add.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Oh hi again ericcolvin,
From Hamas:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
How does that square with the Universal declaration of human rights, (UDHR)? Yea, eric, you keep some fine company don't you?
seneca67 4 years ago
"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe trying to support his family. ... If he didn't know anything, I guess he was SOL (shit out of luck)."
EricColvin 4 years ago
That was from a US GI, 2006. These quotes aren't hard to find. The inhumanity was standard military practice. If you believe otherwise you are lying to yourself. Do some research.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Arab civilisation survived the collapse of the Roman Empire and the retreat of the Ottomans. As such, your Hamas representative is merely observing a likelihood - not confessing to the slaughter of innocents; nor vowing to commence. Many people do not recognise the right of Israel to exist as an apartheid, racist, secular state. The UDHR does not pronounce on political opinion. It concerns itself with inhumane behaviour.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Since Vietnam, the behaviour of the United States military in the Middle and Far East has repeatedly breached most of the UDHR's key articles (not to mention the bloodthirsty pleasure you take in executions back home - usually of poor, black scapegoats). The UDHR was introduced with full US backing as a way to prevent the sort of barbarism committed by the Nazis. Since 2001, your government has emulated many of Chancellor Hitler's earliest policies. You and Likud are driven by lust for power.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Eric, hamas is funded, elected, and supported by a majority of muslims both in the region and world wide. Hizbalah, and similar groups, echo the same sentiments. Your mention of Vietnam omits the fact that the entire democratically elected opposition to the communists had their throats slit. Again, the call went out for help. France, and the USA both answered that call. Oh, did your hero Chomsky forget to mention that? Your assertions remain incomplete, and unsupported.
seneca67 4 years ago
Look up the charter of Hamas from which I have quoted. This is not one individual making a lone statement. This is the declared intent of Hamas. Eric, do you believe Israel has a right to exist? Or should they be slaughtered? This is the goal of Hamas. The UDHR certainly mentions a peoples right to exist. I read the document. So Eric, I think you need to decide which philosophy you respect. The charter of Hamas, or the UDHR.
seneca67 4 years ago
Israel helped to finance Hamas at their inception in the eighties, with America's full knowledge. The aim was to divide and conquer - creating a rival group to the secular PLO now that Arafat had begun to be taken seriously by the West. Begin's cronies presumed, correctly, that twats like you would buy into a future argument: we can't talk to the Palestinians - their fundamentalist Moslem terrorists.
EricColvin 3 years ago
(this despite the fact that Begin and Shamir were two of the bloodiest terrorists the middle east has known, with Nazi leanings to boot; name a form of terrorism - apart form suicide bombing as we know it today, which was first used by Marxist atheists, not Moslems - and it was probably developed by the Irgun or the Stern Gang). Hamas DO NOT deny the right of Jews to exist in Palestine. They DO NOT propose ethnic cleansing. They say an exclusively JEWISH state is racist and undemocratic.
EricColvin 3 years ago
In this they are correct. All genocide and ethnic cleansing in the region in C20th was planned by Zionists long before the 1948 uprising, and put into practice soon after. Israel has been an illegal state since 1967, and is being investigated for war crimes. Sharon only escaped by assassinating the key witness to his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982 - carried out by Christians. I can't provide web references for you. LOOK IT UP you coward.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Before Hamas was truly up and running, Arafat - who had already recognised Israel - surprised everyone by renouncing the armed struggle entirely. He knew Rabin to be the only leader seriously interested in peace and the return of the illegally occupied territories (despite the fact that the majority of Israeli citizens have been consistently for this since 1969: currently 67%; where's your democracy there?). In order to proceed with their plan the right wing had Rabin murdered.
EricColvin 3 years ago
At this point his right-hand-man, Perez stood to win a resounding election landslide of unbelievable proportions to proceed with peace. Astoundingly, he did not call one - arguing that it would be "unfair." I don't doubt for one moment that he was terrified by Rabin's murder (unless, of course, he was in on it) for he switched allegiance almost at once and has since been working closely with Sharon and Olmert. A more slippery character cannot be imagined.
EricColvin 3 years ago
From the moment Hamas were democratically elected - in a closely monitored, free and fair election - they have proposed (and mostly observed) ceasefire after ceasefire with a view to dialogue with Israel - the possibility of recognising Israel never being removed from the offer. Olmert (against the better judgement of his own people) has refused to recognise the Hamas government and has violated any number of human rights in attempting to blanket punish the citizens of Gaza for their choice.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Moreover, your "Christian" government (whose cerebrally challenged president claims to talk directly to God, and the majority of whose people seem too ignorant, lazy and prejudiced to recognise freedom and fairness when it stares them in the face) have devoted the last two years to pouring weapons into Palestine in the hope of precipitating civil war. You claim to export democracy, but - hypocrites as ever - you back corrupt and authoritarian regimes in preference to the choice of the people.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Believe me, Hamas would "recognise" Israel if Israel recognised Hamas. But the IDF launch air strikes and so called "incursions" whenever it looks as though there could be dialogue - and especially when the world's press is looking the other way. These incursions are entirely illegal; aimed at brutalising unarmed civilians (there are always at least as many women and children murdered as so called terrorists). Unlike their people, the Israeli government does not want peace.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Israel, and the united states as well as many other nations provide financial assistance for humanitarian purposes to the Palestinians. The rest of your statement is pure dipshittery, and bollocks.
seneca67 3 years ago
When Dolly Parton invited Cat Stevens to America to raise financial assistance for humanitarian purposes, your dumb president's cronies had him turned back in Canada. You support the illegal prevention of supplies to hospitals and orphanages in Gaza so that helpless children and fragile adults will perish. Your attitude to your own first peoples is that they are "Indians"; to Arabs that they are "ragheads." And you claim to be humanitarian. No wonder the USA is despised throughout the world.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Again, for for the nth time i am asking for the source of this ridiculous quote. Eric, If you can not provide the source even for yourslef, then why do you persist to accept it as the gospel truth? US , and UK soldiers do not operate with orders as you described, and such conduct is a violation of the USMJ.
seneca67 4 years ago
Don't bunch US and UK armies together in this. UK soldiers learned the hard way to police Northern Ireland while your countrymen were proud sponsors of terrorism. When America's poodle took us into this illegal war, our army was careful from the get-go to respect the populace. Not surprising: there's a deal of respect between Moslems and Christians at home. We have many Moslems in our army. To you, however, they are all "Islamofascist terrorists." What hope is there with such ingrained hatred?
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, we saw the muslim protest marches in the streets of London. We also saw and heard what they were demanding. Who are you trying to fool? me? or yourself? Also I am happy to inform you that the UK and the USA, as well as other nations, are working together on Iraq. We are deeply apreciative of the soldiers from the UK, and thier experiance.
seneca67 3 years ago
Nice that you appreciate my countrymen brutalising shoulder to shoulder with yours. I'd love to give links, but am prevented. Search for yourself: "Caught on Tape - British Soldiers Beating Iraqi Children" Look familiar? You would need to have been watching in the eighties: 'twas a regular sight in Gaza, the West Bank, and Bethlehem. What's changed? Oh, just that the IDF use snipers now, aiming for elbows and kneecaps. The rational? Crippled children can't work and will further bankrupt the PA.
EricColvin 3 years ago
The longer you force young men to act like God as armed occupiers in the face of a resentful native populace, the nastier it gets. Every time. Britain's final nadir in Ireland was Bloody Sunday, America's in Viet Nam was Mai Lai. We've already had many in Iraq - and they're getting worse. Why? BECAUSE WE DON"T F**KING BELONG THERE: not now; not in the first place. Blind patriotism will not change this truth. Israel and China are laughing at us: is not imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric, the PM of Iraq has implored us to stay, and the people, of Iraq, are participating in their free democratic process even though insurgents threaten to kill those who vote. The Iraqi civilians taken by force and later found dead were not killed by Americans. No one is playing God Eric, coalition forces are simply trying to defend civilians, from thugs. As for China, neither Taiwan nor Tibet have invited PLA forces over for tea.
seneca67 3 years ago
The "Iraqi civilians taken by force" would not be dead if you weren't there in the first place. Rumsfeld organised to wreck the entire infrastructure and replace it with - nothing. Not even guards posted outside the police stations, universities and museums (though plenty around the oil depots). Sheer evil, incompetence, or both. And guess what? Violence ensued. Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq before 2004. You as good as invited them in.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Eric first you established that suicide bombing is acceptable in your judgment. Now your are explaining to the youtube readers that taking civilians as hostage for the purpose of brutal execution is fine too? As I stated before, the Iraqi people prefer not to be taken hostage and beheaded. I share there feelings on the matter, which is why I understand there desire to have protection from such threats. Many thanks to the soldiers of the coalition forces who provide hope for Iraq.
seneca67 3 years ago
What readers? They deserted this pointless exchange long ago. It's just you and me. Flinging insults 'cause you are too pompous to read the facts, and mistake wilful ignorance and bigotry for patriotism - or faith. Jesus' number one message was one of tolerance; you disgrace Him. You insist that all Moslems celebrate violence and that the bombing of civilians in Baghdad was "just a light show." I suppose the Moslem businessmen you claim to know relish you calling them "pisslamic savages?"
EricColvin 3 years ago
Well, you have labored hard to explain that suicide bombings rocket launchings and transit tube bombings are all dandy. Did you expect a compliment from me? I really find it very hard to beleive you really from the UK. i wonder how your fellow citizens would feel about you? Jesus taught peace, mohamad taught to "..make a great slaughter of the nonbeleivers.."( Sura 47:4). I think we all know what side of the fence your on.
seneca67 3 years ago
Sura 47:4 does not say "..make a great slaughter of the nonbeleivers [sic]..". Nowhere in 47 is the "slaughter" of nonbelievers (correct spelling) mentioned. Nor have I, on this page or anywhere else, "laboured hard to explain that suicide bombings rocket launchings and transit tube bombings " You like to make things up, don't you?
EricColvin 3 years ago
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EricColvin 3 years ago
On the contrary, I abhor all violence whilst you devote yourself to inciting it. You seem to be labouring (correct spelling) under the misapprehension that I am Moslem (and therefore an animal, right?). All I have in common with Islam is a love of truth, education, compassion - and the real teaching of Jesus. Your kind have rejected each of these to wage brutal, fundamentalist war on faiths you declare as opposing. You claim your God is on your side. He detests war. You are ruthless hypocrites.
EricColvin 3 years ago
The Latin name after which you style yourself was much like you - pompous and hollow. He styled himself a Stoic philosopher, but was personally given to adultery and indulged in all the sensual pleasures Nero could lay on (whilst Rome slaughtered Christians). Your Neo-Con buddies such as Krauthammer love to compare themselves to Romans. You wallow in wealth and sensual pleasure and claim you are engaged in a "Clash of Civilisations." Like the Rome of Nero, your bankrupt empire is on the way out.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Islam survived the collapse of the last Classical empire. But Muhammad valued all learning. Universities were developed to perpetuate the knowledge of the world in Allah's name. Thanks to them - and following the bloody crusades (when the streets of Jerusalem last ran red with the blood of women and children slaughtered, as ever, by "Christians") - we enjoyed the Renaissance and the Age or Reason, the rebirth of Democracy and Liberty - all of which your precious Patriot Act seeks to undermine.
EricColvin 3 years ago
The people of the book - be they truly Jewish, Christian, or Moslem - all abhor your violence and greed, your colonisation of other's lands, your brutal genocides, your theft and squandering of the world's resources. They wait patiently for you to either come to your senses or destroy yourselves. If the latter, I don't doubt that Islam will survive the collapse of the "Neo Roman Empire." It will survive the implosion of the racist "Jewish" State. Let me be clear, true Judaism will survive also.
EricColvin 3 years ago
True Jews, like true Christians, are humble and penitent. They don't crow about "crusades" and how many Arabs they would like to see "reduced to a fine pink mist". They neither fear death nor seek it. True Moslems are submissive and merciful. You right wing fundamentalists are violent hypocrites. You revel in brutality; you indulge in self gratification. In sexual terms, you are by turns wankers and rapists - so vain you cannot conceive of making love.
EricColvin 3 years ago
St Paul summed it up simply: "faith, hope, and charity. But the greatest of these is Love." The maker of the film above has produced a sort of violent pornography, devoid of compassion, using "love" merely in sarcasm. Your hearts are so shrivelled, you do not know the meaning of the word. You remind me of your bible belt preachers and politicians who rant against gays and are then caught in airport toilets making lewd propositions to strangers. Christianity does not have to equal Hypocrisy.
EricColvin 3 years ago
But for a man who likes to pose as learned and a truth seeker, you prove yourself a wanker. Rather than read history, you fumble about on YouTube manufacturing "facts" to make yourself appear clever. But no one is watching, Seneca. I can waste no more time disputing with a liar. If you really want the truth, you will find it. Meanwhile, I will leave you by yourself in your darkened bedroom, firing off vain, self serving venom into the ether. Have a nice life.
EricColvin 3 years ago
And yet we have the chutzpah to claim that we are "civilising" the Arabs. Their brand of agrarian civilisation was frugal, considerate, learned and sustainable; it overcame the dark ages and returned Europe to reason. Ours is wasteful, greedy, violent and dumbed-down; we have rejected reason in favour of emotional self-gratification, on the one hand, and nutty religious doggerel about "End Times" on the other. I'm pretty sure which approach is more likely to survive. You, Seneca, are history.
EricColvin 3 years ago
Well, well, check your own posts. You have written at great length defending the violent exploits of muslims, while attacking Westerners for events in other centuries. But if you and pisslam are in agreement with me in deploring violence, where is the incitement? Surely i am free to have a low opinion of suicide bomber recruiters? Yes, you are still full of shit.
seneca67 3 years ago
btw, Eric, The Muslim friends that i have are fully aware of my feelings, and indeed share a disgust for what has become of their faith. Which is why they do not feel safe returning to their nations of origin. They live in peace and safety now. None of them likes to talk about islam very much. One fellow was an officer of the Egyptian Army during the war with Israel. I asked him if he ever visits the mosque down the road, he said "once, but never again, because they are crazy."
seneca67 3 years ago
"Peace and safety:" the freedom to share your disgust for Moslems and listen in admiration while you rant about "pisslamic" terrorists, quipping at them not to get their "burkas in a bunch." Oh, the hilarity of a late night at home with you. And how lucky they are to be shielded from their own savage impulses by the White Man's Burden - in you personified. I can take no more of your twisted narcissism. Have a nice wank. You are on your own. GOOD BYE.
EricColvin 3 years ago
lol, its called common sense and decency. Will you be in the tube next time they decide to go boom boom? Will you make excuses for them on that day as you have in these posts? Oh deary me, how i would love to read you posts as you write them from hell. No doubt you will have a different attitude. Thanks, i shall indeed have a nice day. Cheerio nazi boy.
seneca67 3 years ago
Dear seneca67, ya right, Israel & the Jews need NOTHING from the Mid East, except airspace & dysfunctional Islamist loons 2 leave them alone. Islamists ONLY have Israel 2 focus on as, sadly, no Islamic state has anything 2 offer anyone much. Except 4 the geopgraphical accident of oil, all developed by Western engineers, science, & economies run 80% by foreign workers. Locals not so keen on productive work. DrSanity blogspot. Thereligionofpeace. ColonelRobertNeville blogspot.
gmakepiece 3 years ago
Gmakepiece... You make very valid points so I hope you can become more creative in your dialogs with those less knowledgeable. They obviously are swayed easy so get them on our side brother. You have skills.
Peace
mac1flow 3 years ago
USMJ? A forum for discussing the lessons of Upadesha sutras by venerable Sage Jaimini, illustrating the sutras mentioned therein with real life examples and present them in a presentable form to the serious readers of astrology.
This group will follow the knowledge as coming down from the parampara of Sri. Achyuta Dasa, under the guidence of Param Guru Pt.Sanjay Rath of Sri Jagannath Vedic Center.
This is an effort to consolidate the knowledge shared by Sage Jaimini
EricColvin 3 years ago
Hey eric, the only good thing about your pathetic video was the raghead getting dinged while trying to launch an rpg!!!!!!!!!!
orionr31 4 years ago
eric, you leftists, liberal, communist son of a bitch!! This person seneca has it right!! your video sucks!! your not an american!! if you like the ragheads so much, get out of my country and live with them!!! your nothing but a piece of shit, you should be dragged out of what ever shithole your in and SHOT!!! the coran is based on nothing but lies, violence and death!!! mohamid was a raider, murderer, and rapeist! and eric, jihad means holy war!!! so much for you knowing jackshit!!!
orionr31 4 years ago
Death to terrorist! islamocamelfuckinggoetherders!
muhamid is a childmelester & allas queer!
rebelstang 4 years ago
Holy cheese nips. Great song, great video. And yet, Americans are the bad guys.. hmmm..
Mercy415 4 years ago
Violence is so stupid.
maxx5rocker 4 years ago
Cynical manipulation. You juxtapose images of "evil jehadists", but forget to show the: eighteen year old Israeli conscripts trained to maim and kill Palestinian toddlers; nineteen year old US privates haunted by their own evil after following orders to enter Baghdad burning every woman & child in sight with flamethrowers whilst their army-issue CDs pumped out the thrash-metal, "Burn Mother***ker, Burn Mother***ker..."
EricColvin 4 years ago
army issued metal cds?
cooluke 4 years ago
Yeah
PolishSanta 4 years ago
Eric, would you care to provide some documentation for these wild flights of the imagination?
seneca67 4 years ago
Hi Eric, you missed this one, care to support your baseless nonsense/
seneca67 4 years ago
Tell me how to post weblnks and I'll try. I've tried, but rational discourse is limited. This seems to be where teenagers trade bigoted insults - and I can't be aqrsed to pursue it further. Were you less bigoted, you might take the trouble to research some of my "baseless" allegations yourself. You have google. Do a search. In the mean time, I'm absenting myself from this unpleasant little page. You are in poor company, Seneca. Doesn't that make you question your own blind judgement a little?
EricColvin 4 years ago
Tell me how to post weblnks and I'll try. I've tried, but rational discourse is limited. This seems to be where teenagers trade bigoted insults - and I can't be aqrsed to pursue it further. Were you less bigoted, you might take the trouble to research some of my "baseless" allegations yourself. You have google. Do a search. In the mean time, I'm absenting myself from this unpleasant little page. You are in poor company, Seneca. Doesn't that make you question your own blind judgement a little?
EricColvin 4 years ago
Eric, I am in the company of those who value freedom, and know the difference between right and wrong. You appear to be in the company of those who never read a single news paper, or paid attention to the events of the last 30 years. You make excuses for groups like hamas, while attempting to vilify those who defend from the jihadists. Your profile indicates that you are an software engineer, yet you repeatedly misspell the word "asked", and you do not know how to post a web link.
seneca67 4 years ago
One bit of advice eric, if your going to post bold faced lies like the flamethrower statement, be prepared to be publicly humiliated. Say goodbye to your credibility too.
seneca67 4 years ago
I have jack shit to do with software. "Arsed" is spelled as I spell it. As a yank, you don't know your "arse" from your elbow, and spell it like an infertile donkey. The US "export" of "freedom" is the biggest lie of C20th. Should you wake from your blind slumber long enough to read or listen to Noam Chomsky you will understand. And the only difference between suicide bombing and illegaly dropping uranium tipped weapons on innocent civilians is that the latter is more cowardly.
EricColvin 4 years ago
The flamethrower incident features in a film by your own countryman. An American soldier described to it in his own words. As I say, I could provide links - but I don't think this site permits it. Why not search "Burn MotherF**ker" and find it? Warfare is unspeakably twisted, but your newspapers have painted it as a struggle of good and evil with America and Israel in the white cowboy hats. This is as much of a lie as that used in your genocide of the First Peoples.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Eric, do you have any way of substantiating this your statement: "US privates haunted by their own evil after following orders to enter Baghdad burning every woman & child.." Can you think of any moment in modern history when muslims were attacked by western forces without provocation? You and Chomsky both conveniently omit the circumstances under which fighting takes place. Then draw no moral judgment against the near daily atrocities of muslims.
seneca67 4 years ago
On a purely rational level, Seneca, you need to pull your head out of the sand. But when so called "Christians" advocate war - and attempt to demonise whole civilisations to justify their own greedy thirst for oil - their burning of which is currently destroying this planet and plunging four fifths of the world into deep suffering, those of us who have some real understanding of Christ's message are going to cry "Hypocrite." You are a pompous ass (which, by the way is an animal - not your bum).
EricColvin 4 years ago
geez, we just can't seem to make you happy, no matter how hard we try. But i guess the suicide bombers are your special delight eh? Will yo be joining thier ranks one day? You are a disgrace to your flag. The Queen Mum should give you a good drumming.
seneca67 3 years ago
I do regret that, in pursuing this futile exchange with you, I am giving credence to the crappy little piece of sedition above - which you cling to as a "truthful" portrayal of Islam. Arabs cannot understand why Americans are even blind to the horrors perpetrated on Christians by the occupiers. Truth is, you're willing victims of propaganda. Read Rachel Corrie. The last US and Israeli statesmen truly to work for peace were Carter and Rabin respectively. Rabin was murdered by friends of yours.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Lastly, if we're going to split hairs about spelling, you should learn to use an apostrophe in the contraction of "you" and "are." And I have not heard of "bold faced" lies before. I think "bare faced" is what you were fumbling for. As for Moslems being attacked without provocation, who do you think provoked the latest Iraq war? Who was dumb enough to claim September 11th was plotted by Sadam Hussein? Jesus, you yanks are dumb. And, before I really start, do you think of the IDF as "Western?"
EricColvin 4 years ago
The difference between suicide bombing and use of armor penetrating rounds is that suicide bombers are killing innocent civilians indiscriminately, while the US soldier is aiming his weapon at the person who is attempting to kill. You mention courage/ cowardice: the terrorist have begun sending in women with down syndrome to carry the bombs. These women probably never had a clue what they were doing. Meanwhile the terrorists remain hidden away as cowards do.
seneca67 4 years ago
Perhaps if you were paying attention to the recent events of the last 15 years you might understand that the Iraq war started with Saddam invading Kuwait, and the US, UK, and others answered the call for help from Kuwait. No fly zones were established over Iraq to prevent further internal genocides, and Saddam was asked to document the disposal of chemical weapons. Saddam refused to cooperate, and fired on US and UK aircraft patrolling the NF zones. Does any of that ring a bell?
seneca67 4 years ago
You mention the History of Christianity, but you are unaware of the basics of the last 2 decades. I suggest you included a broader set of reading material, as naom chomsky is no historian, but a linguist, with a very biased view. By the why have you ever met any refugees form places where muslims attacked villages and slaughtered families? We you be telling them they are wrong to fight back?
seneca67 4 years ago
Unlike your friends, I do not profess, hypocritically, to Christianity. As with Moslems, I recognise great words when I see them - and the words of Christ are great. You would prefer to ignore them in favour of "armour piercing rounds." This places you in league with the devil - and, by extension, with the "terrorists" you claim to abhor. Sorry; that's just how it is. I did not write the Gospels - I simply pay attention to their message.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Ultimately, it is not just my moral scruples that you offend. It is reason itself. Very few moslems (and certainly not myself) view the first Gulf War as unjustified - even though US diplomats gave tacit assurance to Sadam Hussein that the US would not concern itself with his "border dispute" with Kuwait. Hussein's invasion broke the rules. Yours, in response, did not. There was, however, no provocation for the second war. There was no evidence of WMD. The UN did not back a war.
EricColvin 4 years ago
Saddam had WMD's and indeed used them on his own people. The "No fly" zones were established to prevent further atrocities. We were not wondering if he had them, we were expecting him to let inspectors witness the disposal of these weapons. The "second war" was merely a realization that we did not wish to maintain No fly zones for eternity. But to be honest, I know that many Arabs resented Americans on their soil, which is why I wish my country had not bothered to defend them.
seneca67 3 years ago
You declared the UN "irrelevant" and went ahead with the war anyway. This was not only immoral - it was unwise. It bankrupted your moral credibility in the world - and it may take a great statesman (perhaps Obama) to restore it. The concept of "Shock and Awe" is sheer terrorism. There is no other word for it. The aim is to terrorise - and many of your young GIs stepped up to the plate on that one. If you should ever meet a Moslem soldier, you will be surprised at his level of compassion.
EricColvin 4 years ago
The UN authorized each and every single thing the coalition did, and they followed the chaters to the letter. Go see for yourself. "Shock and awe" was a light show. Substation were shut down, and Saddams military was neutralized. Civilians were not targeted at all. Meanwhile we still find headless bodies of Iraqi civilians to this day. Who kills people like that? Why did muslim terrorists threaten Iraqis with death if they participated in a free election?
seneca67 3 years ago
You make broad sweeping statements, with conveniently broad sweeping omissions of supporting fact. Will you be explaining to the victims at Beslam, Darfur, or Mogadishu, that they must accept being murdered without attempting to defend themselves because Eric thinks Christians are bad?
seneca67 3 years ago
Sadly, right wing, xenophobic American Christians do not appear to understand the meaning of compassion. This is why I call you hypocrites. Your understanding of diplomacy boils down to the cowboy cliché, "shoot first and ask questions later." This may have "Won" you the "West" in that unspeakable genocide of Native Americans. I guarantee you that it will not win you the middle east. Arabs have long memories and a strong sense of justice. You are too dumb to begin to understand them.
EricColvin 4 years ago
We stood up to the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan, defended and fed Somalians, defended Kosovars, defended Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and now Iraq itself. We have led the world in humanitarian aid historically. I will let our true history speak for itself. We are far from Xenophobes. Regarding the Indians, I would suggest you try to tackle current events before you get hopelessly confused by the history of another century. There are two sides to that story any ways.
seneca67 3 years ago
You make broad sweeping statements, with conveniently broad sweeping omissions of supporting fact. Will you be explaining to the victims at Beslam, Darfur, or Mogadishu, that they must accept being murdered without attempting to defend themselves because Eric thinks Christians are bad?
seneca67 3 years ago
The money you put into "aid" comes mostly with strings attached - that the money is spent on US corporations. It generally arrives as loans or not at all, and saddles third world countries (and Europe, sixty years ago, when you appropriated the world's gold supply) with crippling debt. For every humanitarian effort there has been a Pinochet or Musharraf installed by the US. Afghanistan is unconquerable. By backing the Muhahedeen, you nursed Bin Laden.
EricColvin 3 years ago
In order to preserve BP oil, you wrecked a healthy Iranian parliamentary democracy and replaced it with the Shah. When Iran - not previously given to radicalism - deposed that tyrant, you turned to a godless bloodthirsty criminal, Sadam Hussein, to fight your crusade - with billions of dollars of your "aid" in the form of weapons, nuclear, and chemical weapons technology - used both on Iran and the beleaguered Kurds in Halabjah. To silence the key witness to your war crime, you backed execution.
EricColvin 3 years ago
And now your "war on terror" is keeping alive the ruthless brutality of every tyrant from Putin to Qadafi to Hu Jintao. I don't deny that the US once represented a "light unto nations" - but that light has been extinguished by ruthless self-interest of capitalist and Neo-Cons. As Trotsky once put it, "when the last capitalist is hung, it will be on a rope he sold us."
EricColvin 3 years ago