Martial Arts Odyssey: Vo Co Truyen (Part 1)

[drpuki]

hitting with an open palm to the face in MMA is "not allowed"? Sounds like he is inferring the same about the knee to knee technique. Surely not? Very interesting vid by the way. Nice work.

[brooklynmonk1]

@drpuki Not sure that i understand your comment, but palm strikes are not allowed in MMA. Knees and elbows generally are, but it depends on the league. MFC, where I fight, doesnt allow elbows at all and only allows knees in standing. it depends completely on the league and tournament.

[hoacpu]

The reason behind the concept of slapping the hand to the front head of face of the opponent is to poke the eyes, and grappling/pulling the hair to take your opponent to the ground and finished. Those area are the weakest spot of the human body. Vo co truyen is emphasising on attacking the weak spot due fact it is the most effectively blow when facing an opponent bigger. The art of war said, use the your strongest force to attack the weakest spot of your enemy is the wise thing.

[sjewitt22]

how can kung fu etc be as bad as many mma guys say it is if the problems with it are so clear i am confused how it evolved that way in the first place?

[brooklynmonk1]

@sjewitt22 i think the reason why kung fu doesnt work today is because it was developed at a time when no one knew how to fight. only kung fu practicioners had any skills. so in a fight they could beat everyone. but today, people all train in different martial arts and the arts and teh fighters have developed so a lot of the classical arts simply dont work anymmore.

[arimanaz]

Do some vids about Nhat Nam, you will like it :)

[piantora]

knee technique in this video is same with traditional silat but usually knee technic is execute at low level when your body in lower position n tend to attack joint of knee opponent. it usually use when you grabbling hand with your opponent or do standing grappling and involving weapon for example keris. your grab your opponent hand which hold keris n your opponent also did the same thing to you. both of you struggle to stab each other or to seized that weapon. its look like wrestling.

[MDIS]

Looks very Malay Silat.

[piantora]

@MDIS ha3 truth bcoz the original vietnam espcially central n southern are champa at the past. moreover vietnam is one of powerful silat power in the world. other than that its highly influence by chinese kungfu.

[kaindrg]

@YyJoBb jumping. 

[kaindrg]

the palm strikes arent just vietnamese its traditonal chines \e wrestling and associeted alot today with chinese muslim ethnic group who even into the modern age provide china with militray and guerrilla figthers

[TheSkybender]

I want to know know about Nhat Nam :)

Brooklyn, you should go make a video about that , please :)

[brooklynmonk1]

@TheSkybender I really want to Nhat Nam, but I havent got around to it yet.

[algore1993]

just fancy moves. nothin impressive

[TheSkybender]

@algore1993 You should go try out yourself to see how Fancy it is!!

[TheLibertard]

Over 1200 years of wars!!!

[longken16dn]

ssssss

[langbalangbang]

Hi, Antonio. I agree that most Vietnamese traditonal martial artist don't have experience in fighting. If you travel to Vietnam again, I think you should go to Binh Dinh, a province in South mid-Vietnam. This place is the greatest martial art zone of the country. A lot of figher, martial artists were born here. A great man I know is Mr Ly Xuan Hy, an ex-fighter. He is living in Tay Phuong Danh village , Dap Da town , An Nhon district, Binh Dinh. You can view his video on youtube.

[bigtimes1]

I have to be honest a traditional martial artist would win against an mma guy. Mainly do to the fact that the traditional artist had to work years to gain the skill and talent. All of that pracitice does more good than 2 or 3 years of MMA. But if you mean won't win as in they have many techniques that would disqualify them, then I agree.

[brooklynmonk1]

@bigtimes1 in every single match up that has ever been arranged, traditional martial arts don't win against modern sport fighters. in every one of my sparing bouts in Vietnam or Korea i had to be careful not to injure my opponents because traditional martial artists don't learn fighting or train for fighting.

[bigtimes1]

@brooklynmonk1 Depends on the master in my opinion. And I agree many traditional arts today are only about the flash and such. They don't teach the fighting aspect, not enough sparring, it's all about forms, and such. Rarely there is a teacher in todays world that teaches how to use the techniques correctly and for what situation and such.

[langbalangbang]

It's true that most traditional m.artists only teach forms for show, or they don't teach their students apply the move practically. They are too proud for changing their styles. They always talk things like "My skills are deadly, that's why I don't fight..." and such.

[bigtimes1]

@langbalangbang And the few times you find a master that teaches it for practicality, they normally have very hard training and no one wants to go through it, and even fewer have the patience to learn.

[bigtimes1]

@brooklynmonk1 I've seen friends of mine who practice TKD for 12 years and can't fight for crap. They have nice kicks and punches. Lots of speed and strength, but they have no clue how to use it. Or they think a move like an ax kick is actually useful in a street fight. I'm happy that my capoeira master makes us do full contact sparring at the end of each class and teaches what to use in a fight, and what not to use, along with how to use it and when. Same with Krav Maga.

[kaindrg]

@brooklynmonk1 traditional martial arts is degraded because most of what is revealed to us has gone through long periods od peace time and civilinization in china specailly where men at arms are were once regarded as scum need to legitamize themselves by structuring the art that was not so before stuff like forms were not as focused before the qing dynasty more focus was put on drills and combat application.

[kaindrg]

@brooklynmonk1 strangly alot of concepts atributted to bruce lee were just him reinventing old aspect of teh degraded art from his need to adapt he filled in the blank left by greedy masters who instead of revealing the versatility of fighting created cults of memorizing pointless froms.

[kaindrg]

@brooklynmonk1 not saying forms are useless they serve there use after u know how fight. like forms are a curriculum of concept not technique. texts of concepts building on one another. do i make sense?

[pirotess2]

@brooklynmonk1 : what are you trying to say? traditional martial arts were built and developed from warfare, it's mean traditional martial arts is for kill enemy on battlefield, that why in "sport" match today, they restricted many lethal attack move. In real fight - 1 will stand, 1 will fall, modern sport fighter no way to defeat traditional martial artist (the worst they will be killed in a blind of eyes)

[zhihuizeng]

@brooklynmonk1 but one thing is for sure...traditional martial arts are the root of all the combat systems...like real kung fu masters in china usually dont accept challeges or fight with people who challenge them becos they want peace,when they practise martial art...not only that they master their skills and techniques...but also learn to have more self control .

[lazy702622]

depends

[lazy702622]

@brooklynmonk1 Lyoto Machida- shotokan brazil champion point fighter and former UFC champion. Thats one. LOL "Modern Sports fighter" as a term can be anyone from traditional to Mixed martial arts who competes today in the modern age. Now people who train using modern methods is what makes the difference.......Muay Thai,Boxing,Wrestling are technically traditional martial arts too, very old styles. =P Just thought i'll be an asshole lol

[lazy702622]

@brooklynmonk1 Wow, you witnessed every TMA vs Modern MA match that was ever arranged, some one of your credentials should know never to speak in absolutes. Modern is diffinity more effective as they are the evolved form of the more traditional styles that suffered in trial n error in combat in order for modern martial arts to become what it is today. Muay thai is a traditional martial art. Jujutsu. Boxing etc etc so choose your words better, as you come off as a smart alec sometimes

[khiwarrior]

@brooklynmonk1 i was trained how to fight....it depends on your master and the pupil's attitude...

[brooklynmonk1]

@bigtimes1 its strange to assume that people who do sport fighting have had less training. that makes no sense at all. i have been training for over 30 years. are you speaking from hypothetical or from actual experience? if from experience, where have you been fighting and who did you beat?

[bigtimes1]

@brooklynmonk1 I'm not talking about people like you who have been doing it for a long time and do crossing and such. God no. I'm talking about the dudes that are coming into MMA now that do about 2-3 years of training and don't know shit and think that MMA is the utimate art, and that think traditional arts have no practical applications in th modern world.

[syzdivine]

@brooklynmonk1 I hope you are not assuming that traditional martial arts are useless in the light of modern sport fighting. Because they cannot be judged, Assuming that a traditional martial artist should practice lethal techniques on a human being is stupid. There is a reason we allow sport martial arts to compete and fight against each other. It's less lethal. Groin hits, rabbit punches, stomping on the lead foot, eye jabs, anatomical weakpoints are the makeup of most martial arts.

[kaindrg]

@syzdivine well he posted this video so i dont think his comments were misguided. just that modern practicioners of tradtional arts dont usually train to react to combat as effectively as a person in sport fighing whos does alot of simple but effective tacticts fit for one on one sport matches.

[Benbanme]

@brooklynmonk1 you do have a point, traditional martial artists don't train to fight, the art does, but they don't.

When I trained Taekwondo in Vn, they pretty much neglected the physical training part, doing pushups once a while to develop upper body strength, maybe because I was young ( 8-9 y.o.) in the mean time, sports fighter train to subdue their opponents and therefore put more effort into those kinda strength trainning and lethal techniques.

[zhihuizeng]

@brooklynmonk1  okay sports fighters train hard....but one thing is for sure...they dont really know how to respect

[JoeyT80]

@bigtimes1 I have to agree with brooklynmonk1 because it's true. It's why I switched to Muay Thai and MMA when I was 18. SEA traditional arts (Kali, Silat, and etc) are effective for self-defense and more practical. As for Vietnamese traditional martial arts, I am a bit of skeptical when it comes to self-defense or fighting.

[kaindrg]

@JoeyT80 im not too much skeptical of the style but the curriculum more soo like i mention the emphisis on form came around the time teh chinese realized martial arts and melee weapons were useless against western gunmen. and the effectiveness depends on what ur priorities are. forms have been render useless when most ppl could read. Forms were the unwritten textbooks with concepts(not techniques) hidden within samewith europe writing about martial arts in poetry form

[JoeyT80]

@kaindrg I agree with you. Forms are useless and worthless, but techniques are the key for helping individuals to grasp a concept and free-flow in the practice and any confrontation.

[kaindrg]

@JoeyT80 technique is the second trap that goes with form what u want to say is movement becuase one motion can be applied infinite amoount of ways hence the emphasis on the basic postures in martial arts around hte world becuse all advance techniques are varitation of one motion like wing chun and the center line chain motion. or the shaolin fast wrestling is quititsetial in all long fist styles (though far older than chinese civiliztion its self let alone shaolin)

[bigtimes1]

@kaindrg Dude, if you punch with bad technique, you can hurt yourself. Technique is doing something correctly. And after a master teaches you everything, then thats when you make it your own. In martial arts you never stop learning. And it is also then where you learn to adapt an old technique to use a situation it hasn't been used before, thusly creating a new attack that is a variation of the old. It's about change and adapting after learning.

[kaindrg]

@JoeyT80 if i memorize technique i eventuall run out becuse i haven't leanred to use my imiagination ad bought into the teacher student relation ship crap when master dies i rune out of technique it itself is counter to the free flow spar/drill concept if u follow chinaboxer one youtube he has an excellent video on this topic :D

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 Forms aren't totally useless. They teach muscle memory, and condition the body. They get the muscle to a point were you don't think. It's like when a boxer practices combos over and over. Forms are practicing a set of techniques in a certain routine. And technique is not worthless. If you punch without good technique, that punch will not have power behind it.

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 MMA is good for actual fighting and such if you leave out BJJ. Muay thai you learn here is the really basic stuff, but still good. And ya I've actually seen a friend of mine that practices traditional viet arts and Vovinam. And well in the fight I saw he took one of the animal stances and solely used Vo Co Truyen. He really hurt the other guy. He attacked all the vulnerable spots that are very illegal in MMA.

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 And I just started Vovinam at the time. I can fight using Vovinam even at the first belt because I have been in martial arts since I was 5 and have learned Capoeira, Krav Maga (Mercenary/commando level), Wrestling, and Muay Thai before hand which gives me a better edge than most Veit art practioners. And when i asked my friend how long it was until he could really use VCT in a fight, and he said 5 years.

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 I asked why 5 years, and he told me "It takes time to really understand and to learn how to use these techniques correctly. Yes I learned how to punch and kick and such for basic fighting if I ever get into a fight. But to learn the really effective techniques even the ones as simple as a punch, takes time because you haven't developed the experience to use it that comes with fighting. MMA guys get that quickly, but their bodys are not fully developed like mine is now."

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 "So yes if I went against an MMA guy thats been doing MMA for 2 years when I was at my 2 year mark in VCT, I would get my butt whooped easily. But if I go against an MMA guy int he cage now and he has the same amount of years as me, I would have more of advantage even with a lot of my techniques limited. But on the street, I have the full advantage because I am not wearing gloves and there are no rules. And dude I know this from experience."

[brooklynmonk1]

@bigtimes1 You know this from experience? Are you saying you have fought against a competent professional fighter ina street fight and you won? The point you are missing is that MMA is already more-or-less bareknuckle and there are so few rules, i am not sure what advantage you believe you have in a street fight. as for fighting in a cage, if you really belive you would win, then you should go take the title, make a lot of money and prove yuor point, once and for all.

[bigtimes1]

@brooklynmonk1 I was quoting my instructor vovinam instructor.

And in the street, I can gouge the guys eyes out, bite him, break his arm, hit him with a bottle, hit him in places that are illegal in the ring, and ect. If a guy gouges a fighters eyes out in the ring he won, but he is still disqualified. In the street it's all about ending it fast. Kick in the balls, knee to the nose, and ect. Done.

[JoeyT80]

@bigtimes1

Most of MMA techniques are derived from all of the arts... Muay Thai isn't "basics." It's a perfect science of human weapons. So is boxing. It's effective and simple and less complicated. It works for everyone. Of course, people need to practice it a lot, but they shouldnt practice something that doesnt suit them well. They can add and subtract what works and doesnt work for them. Muay Boran, Lethwei, Bando, Kun Khmer, and Bokator are considered very traditional

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 I know this. I'm talking about the basics of those arts. If you take a Muay Thai master and put him against a MMA guy, he would win. Muay Thai teaches ground fighting, bone breaking, grappling and ect. But you only learn them after training in it for some time and you are demed ready by the master.

[JoeyT80]

@bigtimes1 They are used in sports, too. However, they also fought under the rules of "anything goes" back in the ancient days. But what makes them effective? They modified from what they learned from their conquerors or whatnot. They turned it into a effective art that is still practiced by others today..

[kaindrg]

@JoeyT80 also note that the greek prankration would look like kung fu and wrestling of medieval wreslting rather than todays mma if u look at all the boxing, and wrestling statue we have today none of them look like the modern recreation of greco roman wrestling and etc.

[kaindrg]

@JoeyT80 Europe*

[bigtimes1]

@JoeyT80 So they allow kicking tot he groin and hiting the side of the knee to break it? I do not know what matches you watch, but I want to see them if they allow that.

[MrFlyingKhaite]

@bigtimes1 meh depends, i like traditional more, but its really depends only reason i see a 30 year practitioner is if straight out destroys joints, eyes, and just gouge and destroy neck, im not that knowledgeable about traditional martial arts, but its depends on the person, a traditional martial artist that is jacked and has the same experience as a modern mma fighter, well he'll do the same as a normal fighter. not better, around the same. loses and wins.

[AnGobh]

Nice I like the palms they use, its a nice way to rattle someones brains. Wouldnt want that on me.

[WorldxHistorian]

Why do you say fighting is not Vo Co Truyens main goal? Has it ever occurred to you, all martial arts were created for that purpose? Comparing it to a modern styles then course its not as effective and would seem not to have an emphases on fighting due it being outdated.Example, Bows n arrows are obsolete in modern times but saying it wasnt designed for killing becuz we got better weapons now like guns is ignorant. Vo co truyen IS designed for combat, its just outdated compared to modern styles

[thewackenpilgrim]

@WorldxHistorian it is not true that all martial arts were created for the purpose of fighting - take the wold famous shaoling kung-fu (wushu) that was created as a fitnesstrening for some munks who had become unhealthy and fat ... google it for more details

[brooklynmonk1]

@thewackenpilgrim actually it is true that all martial arts were created for fighting. martial means military and suggests combat. i studied at shaolin temple and published a book called "The Monk from Brooklyn" the first book by an american at shaolin temple.

[brooklynmonk1]

@brooklynmonk1 you are partially right, accroding to legend, one reason for practicing the arts was that the monks had grown fat and lazy. but it was clearly a self defense or fighting form they were learning and they used it to protect themselves when they returned from the city after begging alms.

[thewackenpilgrim]

@brooklynmonk1 yes, Martial art is the art of combat, however all im saying is that there historically speaking , are different motivations behind the development. I mentioned Shaolin, the roots of Teakwondo i contrary where purely developped as a military technic. ... i do however think i misunderstood it when you spoke of fighting not beeing the main goal.

[azn0180]

I am vietnamese but I never knew Vo Co Truyen always try to break Muay Thai.

[TheDoom13]

A Human Being has only 2 hands & 2 legs + a Head, so no matter what you tried do, there will be some similarity looks in their forms. Sometime things may look similar but that doesnt mean they came from the same root. For everyone that think VN came from China is dead wrong and ignorance. VN and China are two differences race and country. China took over VN for 1000 years, that dosnt mean VN & China were related. Ex; Mexico speaks Spanish, does that Mean Mexico came from the Spain?

[brooklynmonk1]

actually yes, mexico was a part of spain for about tthree hundred yeasr which is why they speak spanish. vietnam used chinese writing until about 150 years ago and 60% - 80% of the vocabulary is chinese and vo co truyen is actually a chinese word.

[DieuGiay]

The Viet and the Chinese culture co-existed for nearly 5 millenia. Have you ever thought of the major factor that cultural diffusionplay in this interaction? Smaller cultures can influence bigger culture through cultural diffusion. Do you ever think that perhaps the similarity in the language is due to this cultural diffusion. Look at the language you are speaking. Do you see the French & German influence on English. Are you saying England is part of France ? US of A is part of UK ?

[brooklynmonk1]

@DieuGiay i am a university trained linguist and have done extensive research and written on this topic elsewhere, google the phrase "Chinese loan words in Vietnamese" and you can read one of my articles. but it isn't my opinion or my theory. it is a fact that china dominated Vietnamese for a millennium, Vietnam used Chinese characters for writing until the french forced them ti use latin script in the 19th century.

[brooklynmonk1]

@brooklynmonk1 as for french influence on English, first off only 20% of English words come from France. and at that time, France was the dominant t culture on the planet. America speaks English by vote. there was actually an election held in the continental congress and English won out over German by one vote. vietnam was clearly part of china a millennium ago. you should really do some research. this is a discussion of fact, not opinion.

[brooklynmonk1]

@brooklynmonk1 Respond to this video... Vietnam and china are two different countries. i never suggested they were one country. i am also not suggesting that Chinese and Vietnamese have the same root. Chinese is not a mon-khmer language as Vietnamese is. but 80% of Vietnamese vocabulary comes from Chinese.

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: I can't help but think that when cultures mixed for that long, they did not give rise to something new that is shared between the two cultures. Knowing how the Chinese are, they have captured and claimed so many scholars, artists, skilled craftmen, books and other things from Vietnam and claimed it theirs, why not the language? And how science work these days, we only look at the larger, more dominant culture and compare it with the smaller surrounding cultures anyhow.

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: Ah, in your earlier posting, you said "Vietnam was clearly part of China a millennium ago." It seems to me you were suggesting that Vietnam is a broke-away part of China. The fact is that, Vietnam was formed back around 3000 B.C. and the kingdom was called Văn Lang. Yes, we were colonized by the Chinese for about 1100 years, but we bid our time and defeat them to regain our independence.

[lazy702622]

@brooklynmonk1 At least 60% of the vocabulary has Chinese roots not 80%...sorry had to point that out.............=P just looked it up and cross referenced just to be sure.

[brooklynmonk1]

@lazy702622 Look it up again, i checked a number of sources and found answers ranging from 605 to 80%. when i did my own analysis of a newspaper article, i came up with about 40% but I speak modern mandarin, and the cognates are from a much older Chinese dialect. so, i looked it up in several sources and got answers as high as 80%. Either way, it doesn't matter if it is 60 or 80, the langauge is largely based on Chinese words.

[brooklynmonk1]

@lazy702622 Nearly all one syllable words, for example are Chinese. all compound, two syllable but not connected words are also Chinese.

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: To be exact, around 200 B.C. Zhou Tou defeated An Dương Vương, thus began the 1300 years of Chinese colonization of Vietnam. Since you have done extensive research then you should have known that the ancient Viet land encompass what is now a big part of S. China (Guangdong, Guangxi,Yunan). Knowing how the concept of cultural diffusion work, through out the 1300 years, they had mixed and given rise to the similarities that we see now both in language and martial arts.

[DieuGiay]

My bad 1100 years

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: 70-80% of the Viet language is comprised of Hán Việt, a combo of 1 Han borrowed term and 1 true Viet term. However, like I mentioned before, how can we be sure that through out the millenium the 2 languages did not combine to give rise to the similarities we see now ?

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: on to a different topic, I'm just a novice m.a enthusiast but just out of curiosity, have you study Bokator, Pencak Silat, Eskrima/Kali? I actually see more elements of the Southeast Asian family of m.a. than of Kungfu in Viet m.a. How about trying out something from the Bình Định area of Vietnam next time? King Nguyễn Huệ used the Tây Sơn/Bình Định style of Viet m.a. to defeat the Siam army and the Chin army back in the 1700.

[brooklynmonk1]

@DieuGiay I am the discoverer of bokator. my name is antonio graceffo and i discovered bokator for the western world. i was also one of the first two foreigners promoted to black belt. there is almost no connection with vo vinam. i am in malaysia doing silat and have done eskrima, also no connection. see my other videos on these martial arts on my channel. and please give me the contact in for for this school you want me to visit in vietnam

[DieuGiay]

@brooklynmonk1: Ah, cool, great work, discovering hidden treasures like Bokator. Unfortunately, I do not have a name of a school for you yet. I'm trying to find one myself. I know that the whole province of Bình Định are filled with many schools of m.a. of this region, maybe you can seek out master Hồ Sừng and Lý Xuân Hỷ for example. Vovinam is a modern art, Tây Sơn, Bình Định is much older.

[levbao]

@brooklynmonk1 Vovinam is not purely Vietnamese. Nhat Nam is the one. My understanding is that its a very old, pure Vietnamese style. However for some reason I do not understand, it's really struggling to find a place in VN, what a shame. Professor Ngo Xuan Binh who is trying to keep it alive but its only popular in Russia, and other Eastern Europe. For your reference, visit this website:

vietexpert . ru/

Its in Russian but you can view the video clips on the right hand side. Its amazing.

[langbalangbang]

Hi, Dieugiay. It's funny that there're many people still believe their nation won another nation (in war) because of the proud m.a! It's just a way to celebrate the victory, my friend. Be more practical! I love vocotruyen very much but I have to be practical. I've joined 2 VCT clubs. After a few days of training, I suggested a match with the master there. They were skillful in showing and sparring but when I put more power in puching and kicking, they lost.

[langbalangbang]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not blabbing around. I just wanna share my experience in training. I know there are many good M. artists in Vietnam, but I haven't found them yet, at least at my place (Soc Trang, VN). I'm currently studying Judo now and wait for the chance to meet a true Vocotruyen master. I hope I would.

[TheDoom13]

Like any other countries, VN has a lot of differences Martial Arts clans and style. You should go find out the Vietnamese style called "Nhat Nam" It claimed to be first and 100% pure Vietnamese Martial Art that had been around before the first Chinese domination times. It is pretty famous in Russia nowadays and You can search it on Youtube or google. Type in Nhat Nam ect..

[brooklynmonk1]

yes, thanks, you are absolutely right. i wrote to russia and got a contact for nhat nam in vietnam but i am running out of time so i will contact them when i get back to vietnam.

[Sunfist85]

hey antonio I've been reading up on the vertical fist as used here, and it seems some of the main advantages of it is the wrist is less likely to be damaged when punching in the vertical fashion and also greater transfer of energy from your elbow being down and close to the body

[azngerbal]

all binh dinh (vo co truyen) teachers teach different techniques is what my dad said. my dad teaches a modified version of vo binh dinh so its like muay thai, kickboxing, and taekwondo. the only traditional thing i learn are the forms and weapons which i also hate.

[VovinaMilano]

Interesting..this is Vo Co Truyen, of course...

[bling6]

4:50 vovinam does not turn fists sideways like that. palms are faced down, and punch with the first 2-3 knuckes.

that sideways first is similar to the way wing chun punches, its the way bruce lee punches. in that position u can punch faster, since when u stand and guard ur firsts are likely to be facing sideways like that and just punch directly from there, instead of having to turn ur firsts to punch with the palm facing down.

[dongbaii]

bác võ sư mà đở được đòn phang ống như thế chắc gẫy tay

[jaonthairobber666]

It doesn't look impressive at all. More like copying from an old Chinese Kung Fu movie. I don't thing it effetive in the real fight either.

[TheDoom13]

@jaonthairobber666 only 1 way to test out right??

[jaonthairobber666]

Really looks reddiculous. In real fight, they ain't effective.

[brooklynmonk1]

it wasnt meant to be effective. if you want effective learn muay thai and BJJ but then that is a really small world with only two martial arts. th point of the show is to show you things you had perhaps never seen before. was that not clear?

[jaonthairobber666]

I agree! since you are an expert on Martial Art , also Asia is the birth place of every Martial Arts. Thanks for your explanation.

[randyds5]

i agree with you so much!!! Everyone trains in one way of fighting, and then someone comes from another way of fighting, and it throws them off balance. I love your nuetral attitude,.....your a great philosopher my friend

[SuperKixxx]

nice episode, glad some people kept this alive.

[lagook]

interesting thing this week i was speaking to my muay thai trainer, since i can only do palm strikes and kicks to the head in my next fight

he was telling me to slap 3 2 3 style,

he says bouncers use this alot

its called the brain shake

slaps are still legal in pancrase :D or rather we have to modify punching tech, for example bas rutten says to slap with the bone of the wrist, i think this hurts me more so i stick to palm heal

[brooklynmonk1]

yeah i see pancrase on TV here in asia and they get KOs from slaps all the time. it is a good technique and it saves the knuckles

[buklao559]

VEITCONGS

[GetDamage]

Cool, this video is very interesting. I know the the Vietnamese martial arts has always focused on fighting against bigger or stronger opponents because of the constant invasions from foreigners. My grandpa studied Binh Dinh. It's a vietnamese martial arts that focused a lot on elbows and groin attacks. I'm not surprise that they have a lot of Muay thai counters and Shaolin influences. 5stars. All your videos are gems. They are very unique, and the inside info you give the viewers are excellent

[jaonthairobber666]

More like Shaolin copy to me!

[teamkvs]

this look very diffrent form shaolin.

[GregK28002]

I wonder if the Vietnamese used this style during their war with the Khmer during the Khmer Empire..and i wonder how Champa got beaten

[teamkvs]

correct me if iam wrong but i think champa was before the khmer empire was founded. not sure but some insight would be nice.

[brooklynmonk1]

the two kingdoms existed at the same tinme and mutually sacked each other but that has nothing to do with the viets.

[jiand21]

Very interesting!!

Nice one Antonio!!

[hotpopcorncake]

Why vovinam get more credited to more known then this stlye?

[chanheurng]

Very intresting since the Vietnamese fought the thai in the past throwing the Thai out of Cambodia all the way back to Siam.

[teamkvs]

i just had to say this if thai go to war with cambodia vietnam and laos got our back.

[chanheurng]

Cool, but it's just history and very old history. Keep the hate in the past and move forward.

[teamkvs]

are u saying that this martial art is design to go against thai boxing but what about bokator cause there simliar?

[GregK28002]

Dear Teamkvs:

yeah thats my question

but maybe this style defends against (Sport) Muay Thai cuz yeah theres Muay Chaiya, Muay Korat, Hanuman Muay Thai, Muay Thasao etc... and yeah i think Bokator and that would be a Ty

[brooklynmonk1]

I said muay thai in the video because it is the name most people know. obviously bradal serey and bokator in cambodia are similar, as you said, so the style would need to defend against them. BUT bokator is the only art in the region with ground fighting. and they couldnt possibly defend against that.

[WarrenKeingGaw]

teamkvs i don't think vo co truyen could fend of Bokator because the Khmer empire defeated the Cham which are the Viets back in the days

[brooklynmonk1]

No the cham lived in vietnam but they werent vietnamese. they are a completely separate ethnic group. there are about a million of them in vietnam and cambodia today and they dont seem to have a ever had a martial art.

[teamkvs]

yea iam cambodian and i have some family member in cambodia that are ethnic cham and if iam right they are muslim. also the hand slaping seem like they borrow that form the indian martial art called kalare (spelling) but still this very interisting. i would like to see more and also how this martial art was develop and evolve. and also what kind of enemy that they fought aginst in acient times. sorry for speeling.

[WarrenKeingGaw]

oh i see my teacher told me about the chams and that they had dark skin but when did the Vietnamese people migrate?

[brooklynmonk1]

the vietnamese have been in viet dai or what is now vietnam for thousands of years. the cham empire was around 700 years ago and ankor fell around the same time. it is actually a fact that the vietnamese have never lost a war. i dont know much about how they coexisted with the cham, so i need to read up on that.

[lpbmartialarts]

@brooklynmonk1 hello it is me again, about my comment on mma/Jeet kune do, I think it is important to be well rounded, but too many mma guys think it is enough to train in a certain area without grasping the concepts and applications of the techniques(though you could spend year and never have results) my idea is spend as much time as you need to and how comfuortable you are using that dimension of fightin i.e grappling or stand-up