I totally agree with what you said, I think I'm an "enoughist" :). I know people that have a salary of 500 Euro / month but make 2-3 credits per year just to buy some 1500 euro laptops or 400 Eur camera phones that they don't even know how to use. It's about showing off: conspicuous consumption. Hollywood, commercials and rap/rock - stars have done their job: created a fictitious need for more (probably for a lot of money). Cheers.
Hi Pete, nice to see your broadcast, though I've not seen it all, I have read Enough and are re reading it, I think it's very good. Esp how John gives accounts and tips about how to avoid the 'Stockholmer's' need to try and keep you subservient to their controlling 'work' hierarchy.
Unfortunately the real problem is that people in early life make bad decisions on account of their genitals - which sets off on the logical progression of a lie.
I have yet to read the book. I guess I should, at least try to get it through our public library system.
I fail to see the connection between our genitalia or our gender and peoples desire to have the latest and greatest instead of enough. There is as much competition between genders as there is intra gender.
Hmm.. Id be interested to know what you make of an essay called All Sex All The Time by Theodore Dalrymple (just google it). If you find that compelling Id also recommend Who Killed Childhood, Whats Wrong With Twinkling Buttocks and A Horror Story, also by Dalrymple and on the net.
If sex (the genitals) can underpin that sort of behaviour might it not also be the primary driver of competitive consumption, and all the bad decisions that set the tone of most peoples li(v)es?
Also, if you can get hold of it, there is an interesting chapter in a book - Mobs, Messiahs and Markets called Love In The Time Of Viagra - that's much more specific to your failure to see. And also the first chapter of Richard Holmes' The Age Of Wonder gives a very very good example of how sex is used to drive up demand (Sex Sells, afterall) it's called Lekking in the bird kingdom.
In both of these articles Dalrymple argues quiet eloquently about the decline of sexual morals. Whilst I do not agree with everything he comments upon, suggesting that Kinsey distorted studies about homosexuality, and denying lesbian rights to motherhood, his basic premise of society giving up on standards about age of consent and non violence towards women is disturbing. Hopefully, these problems can be solved.
Does a lack of sexual morality drive competitive consumption? I think it is unlikely, even after acknowledging that "Sex Sells".
Mybe it is the other way around, competitive consumption resulting in men and women seeking more and more sexual partners and/or experiences and then being bored, at the age of 20, (as Dalrymple related in "All Sex ..")
With regard to the books, they are on my list of items to attempt to access.
Yes, I think Dalrymple does let himself down a bit with sweeping statements etc.. I don't think comparing people who may desperately want to have children to Cattle is ever going to be very helpful.
With regard to sex/competition, Naish deals fairly specifically with that on p. 80, and probably elsewhere.
I seriously recommend youtubeing The Century Of Self, it will intitially come across a bit of a whacky conspiracy theory.. but I think it's well worth watching.
I don't suppose sexual disinhibition, as it were, will necessarily be co-opted by a market system but I'd say almost always. That's why I recommend 1st chapter of Age of Won.. The Tahitians, unlike the Easter Islanders, managed to keep resources depletion in check. But they were very prone to using sex to rachet up the demand of a commodity when it was introduced. And besides, according to accounts, the checks they had on sexual practices i.e. infanticide, were disturbing.
As always its only point of view. While you might be running around in a 15 year old jacket someone else might just only own 1 CD and not the heap one can see in the background of your living room. Its like being an alcoholic being so proud to be a nonsmoker ;-). Its clear mankind is the only living being messing around with creation, but maybe thats part of the project???
True, I have several CD's, but some of them I have had for over 20 years and I purchase fewer than 10 a year.
I guess the point for my video and of the author is that several people get caught up in a cycle of consumption, buying clothes, CD's, anything and everything.
I agree with a lot of what you said. Our society has a lot to do with it, they keep pushing the "newest and greatest" thing.
I try not to be caught up in this frenzy of getting the best new thing. I have caught myself sometimes in that although more times then not I am happy with what I have...it's enough!
Hi Blue, yes, you got my point. Good on you for realising that the newest and greatest is not always the thing that will give us more pleasure. Peter.
I can see what would have interested TheraminTrees in your videos.
As for enoughness--I've recently made the move from a three bedroom house that was full of crap I'd accumulated to compensate for the holes in my live-in relationship, to a one bedroom apt where all I need was shifted in a van. I am so happy to have scaled down. I knew then, and I am living it now--The extra stuff was a distraction from the fact that I was unhappy. Less distracted, now I am closer to... :)
My life is so much better with fewer distractions. I like that you're bringing this idea to a public forum. It would be a terrific trend to see sweeping our societies. Capitalist economies are arch enemies of enoughness, but our current economies are devouring our planet and ourselves. It's time to reconfigure!
I totally agree with what you said, I think I'm an "enoughist" :). I know people that have a salary of 500 Euro / month but make 2-3 credits per year just to buy some 1500 euro laptops or 400 Eur camera phones that they don't even know how to use. It's about showing off: conspicuous consumption. Hollywood, commercials and rap/rock - stars have done their job: created a fictitious need for more (probably for a lot of money). Cheers.
bogdanp9 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment.
PerthPete1 2 years ago
sets 'them' off... I mean.
Take care
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
Hi Pete, nice to see your broadcast, though I've not seen it all, I have read Enough and are re reading it, I think it's very good. Esp how John gives accounts and tips about how to avoid the 'Stockholmer's' need to try and keep you subservient to their controlling 'work' hierarchy.
Unfortunately the real problem is that people in early life make bad decisions on account of their genitals - which sets off on the logical progression of a lie.
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
Hi,
I have yet to read the book. I guess I should, at least try to get it through our public library system.
I fail to see the connection between our genitalia or our gender and peoples desire to have the latest and greatest instead of enough. There is as much competition between genders as there is intra gender.
Thanks for your comment.
PerthPete1 2 years ago
Hmm.. Id be interested to know what you make of an essay called All Sex All The Time by Theodore Dalrymple (just google it). If you find that compelling Id also recommend Who Killed Childhood, Whats Wrong With Twinkling Buttocks and A Horror Story, also by Dalrymple and on the net.
If sex (the genitals) can underpin that sort of behaviour might it not also be the primary driver of competitive consumption, and all the bad decisions that set the tone of most peoples li(v)es?
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
Also, if you can get hold of it, there is an interesting chapter in a book - Mobs, Messiahs and Markets called Love In The Time Of Viagra - that's much more specific to your failure to see. And also the first chapter of Richard Holmes' The Age Of Wonder gives a very very good example of how sex is used to drive up demand (Sex Sells, afterall) it's called Lekking in the bird kingdom.
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
Part 1
Hi,
In both of these articles Dalrymple argues quiet eloquently about the decline of sexual morals. Whilst I do not agree with everything he comments upon, suggesting that Kinsey distorted studies about homosexuality, and denying lesbian rights to motherhood, his basic premise of society giving up on standards about age of consent and non violence towards women is disturbing. Hopefully, these problems can be solved.
part 2 >>>
PerthPete1 2 years ago
<<< Part 1
Does a lack of sexual morality drive competitive consumption? I think it is unlikely, even after acknowledging that "Sex Sells".
Mybe it is the other way around, competitive consumption resulting in men and women seeking more and more sexual partners and/or experiences and then being bored, at the age of 20, (as Dalrymple related in "All Sex ..")
With regard to the books, they are on my list of items to attempt to access.
Thanks for your input.
PerthPete1 2 years ago
Yes, I think Dalrymple does let himself down a bit with sweeping statements etc.. I don't think comparing people who may desperately want to have children to Cattle is ever going to be very helpful.
With regard to sex/competition, Naish deals fairly specifically with that on p. 80, and probably elsewhere.
I seriously recommend youtubeing The Century Of Self, it will intitially come across a bit of a whacky conspiracy theory.. but I think it's well worth watching.
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
I don't suppose sexual disinhibition, as it were, will necessarily be co-opted by a market system but I'd say almost always. That's why I recommend 1st chapter of Age of Won.. The Tahitians, unlike the Easter Islanders, managed to keep resources depletion in check. But they were very prone to using sex to rachet up the demand of a commodity when it was introduced. And besides, according to accounts, the checks they had on sexual practices i.e. infanticide, were disturbing.
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
Well, I mean aspects of sexual practices and reproduction... but I'm sure that's fairly obvious.
Xenostrobe 2 years ago
As always its only point of view. While you might be running around in a 15 year old jacket someone else might just only own 1 CD and not the heap one can see in the background of your living room. Its like being an alcoholic being so proud to be a nonsmoker ;-). Its clear mankind is the only living being messing around with creation, but maybe thats part of the project???
harryberger65 3 years ago
Hello,
True, I have several CD's, but some of them I have had for over 20 years and I purchase fewer than 10 a year.
I guess the point for my video and of the author is that several people get caught up in a cycle of consumption, buying clothes, CD's, anything and everything.
Thanks for your comment.
PerthPete1 3 years ago
enough is enough...thanks...i'm going to find this book to read utilizing our library system.
jillianjustjillian 3 years ago
Hi Alane,
Good luck with your search for the book. What a great example of enoughness, using the library system to find it.
Thanks for your comment.
Peter.
PerthPete1 3 years ago
Interesting video, learned a lot :)
I agree with a lot of what you said. Our society has a lot to do with it, they keep pushing the "newest and greatest" thing.
I try not to be caught up in this frenzy of getting the best new thing. I have caught myself sometimes in that although more times then not I am happy with what I have...it's enough!
Great video Pete :D
RedVolly 3 years ago
Hi Blue, yes, you got my point. Good on you for realising that the newest and greatest is not always the thing that will give us more pleasure. Peter.
PerthPete1 3 years ago
Hi Pete,
I can see what would have interested TheraminTrees in your videos.
As for enoughness--I've recently made the move from a three bedroom house that was full of crap I'd accumulated to compensate for the holes in my live-in relationship, to a one bedroom apt where all I need was shifted in a van. I am so happy to have scaled down. I knew then, and I am living it now--The extra stuff was a distraction from the fact that I was unhappy. Less distracted, now I am closer to... :)
snowfeet 3 years ago
Hi Snowfeet, Wow, there you go, evidence of enoughism and enoughness in action. I hope you feel better for downsizing, accepting enough.
Thank you very much for your extremely kind words and your comment.
Peter.
PerthPete1 3 years ago
My life is so much better with fewer distractions. I like that you're bringing this idea to a public forum. It would be a terrific trend to see sweeping our societies. Capitalist economies are arch enemies of enoughness, but our current economies are devouring our planet and ourselves. It's time to reconfigure!
snowfeet 3 years ago