M3 vs 335i

[disRalley35]

i have a 135i and my friend has a e46 m3 i beat him every time

[asian069]

only reason the 335i won was because of the elevation.

[olvanish]

not sure why but for some reason I've always liked E46 M3 better than E90 335I. just my personal preferance

[viggoM35]

@dean0681 Bet you're fatter than I am. lol

[ekis18]

1) Altitude is a huge disadvantage for the m3.

2) I expected the 335 to do way better (not hating since I own one) since that race is against a e46, not and e92.

3) Doin the math: the S54 is rated at 333hp *.816 (pressure loss) = 272hp while the N54 is rated at 300hp (FI)

4) Maybe the N54 engine hp figures arent so factory "underated" as we've been told.??

[phv628]

@ekis18 The 335i have demonstrated 332 hp and 311 lb ft when tested. In addition, BMW states 0-60 times of 5.6 seconds while tests have demonstrated 0-60 times of 4.8 seconds. It is generally accepted by most reviewers that BMW consistently underrates factory claims.

[NikKast1981]

@phv628 I tend to trust the way companies perform their tests more than what reviewers do.....Especially when reviewers tend to achieve better times.....

Lets not forget that there are many variables when testing a car from weather, temperatures, distance from ground/sea level, tarmack, fuel, tires and many more so its obvious that what BMW is getting on their test track is not what a reviewer will be getting.....

[kouzouka]

@ekis18 It is widely accepted here in Johannesburg that the your 335i is faster than even the latest m3 V8 because we are 1753 metres above sea level, the M3 is only faster at coastal towns, so you have the better model, kinder to the eye and more fuel efficient

[910127]

This is similar to the vid of the S5 vs. the black 335i; the 335i can keep up because of higher elevation (which HEAVILY favors the BMW's twin-turbo engine).

Of course, the 335i is still a beast. It's supposedly faster than the M3 at low end power, and therefore should be faster in city driving.

[PassatMrT]

Remember that at 5500 ft elevation the air pressure is at 12 PSI vs 14.7 at sea level. That means that the M3 (being N/A) is down about 19% on power.

If we plug those numbers in that means that the stock 400 HP is down to about 326 HP about and torque is down from 290 ft/lb to a paltry 236 ft/lb.

The 335 on the other hand can adjust it's boost to compensate.

Don't get me wrong, the 335i is a fast car. However if this race was at sea level it would have been a different story.

[levirolla]

@PassatMrT I would still take the 335i. I'm not a fan of having to rev to make power, I rather have lots of usable torque

[PassatMrT]

@levirolla I actually agree with you on that. My comment on the race was more from an academic standpoint. I live at 3500 ft elevation so forced induction is the way to go in my mind.

[akburst510]

@levirolla

Exactly. Plus a Jb3 ($379) + methanol injection (Basically, automatic high octane gas all the time, $300-600) and you are already way faster than a E9x M3 in a straight line...not to mention Ferrari/Lambo torque #'s.

Forced Induction is always better on the streets.

Naturally Aspirated is almost always better on the track though, because you can modulate power better...but twin turbos have very little lag.

btw next M3 is going to be TWIN TURBO inline6 like the 335i.

[viggoM35]

@PassatMrT Unfortunately I live at over 4k elevation and have to drive at least 100 miles to get better performance. ;(

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[DanBerglin]

Im a proud 335 owner but wtf is up with all the 5500ft elevation vids? FI has great advantages over NA, its irrelevant. 335 are great 0-200kmh, not so mutch after with standard IC.

[UnsurpassedKnowledge]

interesting race, 335i wins but honestly drive both of these and you will take the m3 home.

[911Muscles]

i didnt

[UnsurpassedKnowledge]

why did you choose the 335?

[RokisFL]

Why? That was an older M3, E46

[UnsurpassedKnowledge]

Allot of people would choose the e46 m3 over a 335i, stock the 335i is only a bit faster and the m3 handles and sounds way better

[RokisFL]

Yeah but 335i is more luxurious, you can make it look really nice with M6 rims, and its newer

[UnsurpassedKnowledge]

For me to take a 335i over an e46 m3 it would have to have a good tune to make over 400hp and an agressive exhaust, I saw a vid of a tuned 335i racing an e60 m5 numerous times, it was impressive.

[STiTypeUK]

handles.. maybe... sound? yeah right! e46 m3's sound like hondas with really raspy exhausts..

[timstramadal]

e46 m3 is also faster then the new 335s dude

[UnsurpassedKnowledge]

ya an e46 m3 is probly the best used bmw to buy right now for a good price, inless you don't have much cash at all than get an e39 540 6 spd manual, either way you got a fast bmw for a good price

[timstramadal]

yea man i love that car so much. in my humble opinion the new 3 series is kind of dull looking, except for the m3.

I cant wait to graduate school so I can afford one im thinking either an e46 m3 an e92?? 335 (i think thats the coupe if im not mistaken) or maybe a pontiac g8 gxp. If any one has any suggestions or advice let me know!!

[VinnyTime]

@timstramadal I own a g8 gxp. wanna buy mine. I am looking to trade for a e46. I just cant get over the look of them.

[STiTypeUK]

no it wasnt.. that dash is fromt he e92

[RokisFL]

@STiTypeUK

What are u saying? M3 is older

[peaps]

I have got an E46 M3 and I raced my mate who has a 335i from 40 to 120, and I done him. I was changing at 8K.

[kchilaka]

If this video was at 5500 feet, the N/A engine (M3) is probably running at around 85% efficiency because of the reduction in air density . Now, when at elevation, in turbo engines, the turbos spin faster to create approximately the same boost (not precisely but close). When the turbo spins faster, its compressor turbine efficiency does decrease but not drastically. So a 335i will make about 95% of its rated power at 5500 feet while the non F-I engine is making 85-86%.

[dalesteel]

piss off. the 335i is quicker regardless of altitude. The 335i has 2 very small turbos. so it doesnt make alot of difference anyway. just more torque.

[e36mmm]

us m3 maybe will lose european m3 no chance :)

[drmkkk]

335 driver with open windows during a race... no comment

[shriepshroepshrap]

335i 306hp or 305

m3 e46 343hp

[shriepshroepshrap]

this can not be..the m3 e46 driver is a bad driver or the 335i is chipped 306hp vs 343hp think..have tha 335i a limited slip differential lsd?

[dalesteel]

the 335i does not have a LSD no. But the 335i is quicker in a straightline and quicker on the slalom test. The BHP as nothing to do with it. The e46 M3 cannot match the new chassis and engine and drive train of the newer e60 335i. but the new M3 is out now which will beat the 335i.

[shriepshroepshrap]

tey always tell me that when you have lsd than you can make very spectaculair drifts burnouts en donuts en stuff..without lsd you can als make a burnout but than with 1 wheel not with 2

[dalesteel]

yeah an LSD is better and gets the power down better without a doubt. The M3 will still be more of a drivers car but the 335i will just out pace it just simply because its the next generation BMW. BMW are the ultimate driving machine and its a testiment that they make cars like this. BMW use the research from the M sport division and use it in there newer models. which is what they did from e46 M3 to the new e90 3 series. But i agree 100% LSD is better and 335i doesnt have that.

[relaydump]

e60? what the hell are you talking about? we are talking 3 series not 5. again, you are just making shit up because it sounds good in your head.

you are trying to prove a point that because a car has turbos and it's newer makes it faster. <-- not logical or true.

the 335i was never made to compete with an M - it was made to compete with SPORTS SEDANS/COUPES (e.g g35/g37) that were outselling the 330i due to the "dramatic" difference in horsepower.

[relaydump]

Horsepower has nothing to do with it? The "e60" 335i has a better chassis, engine, and drive train? First off, you are contradicting yourself. You claim that it has an inferior drive train (NO LSD) yet it is better!? You also were talking out of your ass about the power (above) making all the difference - now you are saying it doesn't matter.

If power does not matter... I am not even going to finish - I am sorry, but you are an idiot. A better engine?!

wow.

[footballer233]

the altitude kills the m3. cars with forced induction like the 335 do better at altitude than N/A cars...

[baseballforlife711]

its an e46 m3 tards

[4BangerNA10Sec]

The 335i looks way uglyer then the M3

[aznsurfer317]

Not even an M3. This video fails.

[qsc324]

its a E46 M3

[bmw335hdk]

335 won slightly.. ;)

[E46man05]

Good Race.....M3 will have the corners though

[philyfree]

Ha yous dont have a clue. Not one figure below is right

[bleckndecker]

Wow, this in one under educated conversation here.

[deivo4]

335i: 306hp twin turbo 400 NM OF TORQUE!!!!!

M3: 343 HP 365 NM OF TORQUE!!!!!!!!

still doubts about the turbos?

[peaps]

It's about the torque curve. Not peak torque.

[dalesteel]

yeah thats why the 335i wins. low down torque the 335i has and M3 doesnt.

[H2TENP]

the 335i definately has a bi-turbo stacked over a 3 litre straight 6. I know cos I have one and the sound the turbo's make are unmistakable!

[suepsetts]

warzniak your a jackass 335i has a twin turbo so next time dont try to be smart asshole

[warzniak]

sorry to break the news to you moonshinesucks, but the m3 doesnt have a turbo neither does the 335i, try a supercharger in the m3 and just a plain engine in the 335i.

[osirisvb]

"but the m3 doesnt have a turbo neither does the 335i"

Sorry to break it to you, but the 335i comes with stock 3.0 litre twin turbo 300hp engine.

[Jingothemonkey]

the 335i has bi turbo what have u been smoking

[landyacht06]

they are the same size not bi-turbo sorry

[m3e36sjarrel]

yo the 335i is a 3litre twin turbo and this m3 got a 3.2litre atmos motor.

[landyacht06]

no shit

[atuztovezmenakejnick]

bi-turbo, no twin turbo.. its different

[2k3SteedaGT]

What's the difference?

[dalesteel]

twin turbo would be 2 turbos pumping all 6 cyl. But on the 335i its a bi-turbo. One turbo powers 3 piston, the other turbo powers the other 3. It is a landmark engine, and in someways better than the new M3 engine. Un-modded the 335i can nearly keep pace with new M3 and will beat the old M3. BMW say there 305BHP but there proving more like 330-350BHP standard, Then u can chip it for £300.00 and it pumps it to 400BHP which will then beat the new m3 easily. 0-60 3.5 sec with chip. 4.9 without.

[relaydump]

again, pulling shit out of thin air. you are making this stuff up.

look up sequential vs parallel TWIN TURBO configurations.

above you say the 335i engine produces 320-340 HP "in reality" THE SAME DAY you are now saying 330-350.

now you are claiming a 400 BHP (BHP = not at the wheels) 335i can pull a 0-60 of 3.5 seconds. you would need just a tad more than 100 more horsepower to drop a car of this weight 1.4 seconds from 60 - not to mention suspension/tires/gearing.

this is futile.

[dalesteel]

listen love. im not exact on the figures but there are somewhere between 320 and 340BHP(i havent tested mine yet) i dont know exaclty no 2 engines produce the same power. I am claiming that a juice box stage 3 puts in 80BHP and I am led to believe with ALOT of researh there pulling 0-60 around the 4.0 sec mark. (3.5 with filter n stuff)FACT. PS Bi-Turbo means 2 turbos just dif config. Its a fact this car standard will beat an e46 M3, it will not however beat e90 m3 but is very close.

[relaydump]

As far a efficiency goes, the S54 (M3)engine is one of the most thermodynamically efficient engines ever made.

Turbocharged engines are not the best in terms of efficiency - engines with 6 throttle bodies, headers, insane amounts of cam phase adjustment make for an efficient engine (at the same time creating excellent power "on demand").

My car averages over 25 MPG at triple digit speeds (given a cool dense night) - a feat not many other engines can achieve w/o killing cylinders (chevy v8),

[dalesteel]

to obtain 25 u are obviously not flooring it around. If i drive steady the combined cycle is around 30 mpg. Which i think is good. The 3.2 m3 engine is a lovely engine which is in principle better than the n54 because it pumps more or less same power with no turbos. however in real life the turbos play a big part when your rolling around 50 mph and floor it.

[relaydump]

Because they are the same size makes the latin prefix "bi" meaning "two" incorrect?!

It has two turbochargers, which makes the 335i a "biturbo". I think you are thinking of the differences in sequential and parallel turbo configurations.

[dalesteel]

well u say it one way I will say it another way that is what I think of a bi-turbo anyway like masseratis they did bi-turbo cars. The 335i is awesome when rolling at around 30-100 mph i doubt the new m3 will catch it up until 100. have no doubts around a track that the m3 will beat it easily but i am talking everyday drive the 335i is the better car. Better fuel economy, more comfortable, can be tuned (cheaply and easily) to more than beat the new M3. Check out bmw juice box website.

[Moonshinesucks]

higher elevation = less dense air = less air for turbo to inhale m3tor2nR7. please don't tell me now that hot air is better than cold air for turbo too :p

[nepenthean]

never driven the 335i, but i had a 330ci zhp and sold it for an ///m3, black on black, of course. no regrets.

[M3tor2nR7]

First off, let's not forget this video is a race at 5500ft ELEVATION! Turbo cars have a HUUUGE advantage that high up. Second of all, the M3 not only has a much more aggressive gear ratio, but it's also lighter and has a better POWER CURVE than the 335i. Check out my videos of the M3 vs 335i and you'll see a clear difference in performance.

[d9me]

You've got that backwards, turbos have less of an advantage at that elevation because the air is thinner, thus the turbo is less effective.

[M3tor2nR7]

you've got it totally wrong buddy. Go research then come back and respond. Higher elevation gives more advantage to Turbo and FI than Natural Aspirated setups.

[shinobistyle86]

true a turbo will always push untill the electronic boost limit so its the same power roughly but the n/a car will be underpowered

[srg23]

wow dude you're hella dumb. do some research bro before talking smack.

[canderton01]

meh, a BMW vs BMW race isn't very exciting:/

[Scyzzorr]

some numbers:

data on the paper:

Horsepower 306 Hp @ 5800 rpm

Torque 400 Nm @ 1300-5000 rpm

stock power on dyno:

Horsepower 323,4 Hp @ 5580 rpm

Torque 422,8 Nm @ 3765 rpm.

That's brilliant !

[BradV8]

Either way guys BMW OWN! Lets go kills some Audis and Mercs!

[besir87]

335 bigger engine higher torque more hp

[moose330ci]

its actually a smaller engine

[anthonykerimian]

335i comes with a 3.0 liter v6 with 300 horses and a twin turbo while the e46 m3 comes with a 3.2liter I-6 with 330 horses

[IPGAuto]

Yeah, lets not forget its torque. Either way these are both amazing cars, and the M3 is and icon among its competitors and as a icon in the world.

[mbandarra3]

Wow..I never would have thought the M3 would have been beaten by a non M production 3 series.

[chipsmcgee]

bm won!!

[grs33cali]

Ahhh, BMW was trying to beat is-350, with the 3 series, but they got a war against m3 and 335. LOL. Pls buy a 08 m3, you freaking 335 lovers, it's here and you need it for is-f.

[Love9sick]

I'll just get the V2 PROcede and do fine against the is-f.

[damwhodat3]

What are u guys talking about ??? The 335i won the race in this video. Look at the tail lights when it passes the M3 and it doesn't have the M3 gills on the front fenders ! The 335i won because the race was at high elevation !

[dragonfistss]

Everyone knows the M3 is a monstAh.. no 335i new 2007 can mess wit IT!!!!

the newer m3 can though!! ahahhaa

[critic335i]

"corrected readable version" Sorry

I agree with BradV8. Most people can not drive their M3's. Im 4 and 0 against them (335i). However give the 2 to all of the respectable pros (c&d/RandT/Edmunds). And the 335I out handles stops and out guns the M3. Now I know all of the defensive M3 owners will be made at me for discussing printed facts from the above mentioned sources. But hey when you dropped 56 g's and got an M3 I was jeoulus. Now for 43 g's you guys are.

[critic335i]

I agree with BradV8. Most people can not drive their M3's. Im 4 and 0 against them (335i). However give the 2 to all of the respectable pros (c&d/RandT/Edmunds). And the 335I out handles stops and accelorates the M3. Now I know all of the disguntaled M3 owners will be made at for for discussing printed facts from the above mentioned sources. But hey when you dropped 56 g's and got an M3 I was jeoulus. Now for 43 g's you guys are.

[BradV8]

lol na - You could get a pro in the M3 and get the same result. The fact is at this level of car - to a point - normally its about the driver. The 335 is an amazing car and oddly fast for a non M BMW! I would buy one if I couldnt afford a M3 no question. But the M3 is an M3 for god sakes.. lol

[trenchblocker]

hey luis why dont you watch all the races with m3 and 335i on you tube?i kinda got the feeling u got a m3.

[trenchblocker]

go on 335i vs infinity on you tube watch the vid.bmw under quoted the figures and the power out put for some reason.

[trenchblocker]

i am confident look on any website 335i 0 to 60 4.8 seconds... what time is the new m3?i dont doubt the new m3 will handle better.but 2 turbos 2 play with how fast2 tune?

[downunder09]

335 I is 0-60 5.3 or somtin

[djinnbladee]

4.7

[neo192]

thts lyk automatic

[BradV8]

real time the 335 is 5.6 - 5.7 the E46 M3 is 5.2. M3 has no turbo and is older. Much better car. MUCH MUCH better on the track 2.

[luis9691]

What??? You are trying to compare the 335 to the new M3????? Man, the new M3 is only comparable to the Porsche TURBO, etc.. The 335 is comparable to a 330, 325 or something like that. The E46 M3 is faster than the 335! So, imagine the new one!!! Pleaaaaaaase, read!!!

[downunder09]

uhh... the old M3. without 414 hp.

[trenchblocker]

i have a 335i and would love to see it race the new m3...and yep poor mans m3 ?dream on old e46 m3 ?

[luis9691]

when you bought the 335, you save money, you save power, you save torque, etc.. Those extras comes with the price of an M3! The Iron Horse!! Next time, don't save too much!

[neo192]

i paid 56K with tax for 335I

+ proced chip(1200)

it will burn M3 with tht chip.

[djinnbladee]

M3 with chip will burn ur 335i

[neo192]

M3 doesnt get tht faster with chip dude

only 335I gets almost +100 hp with just chip on and M3 is harder to put chip in and out

[BradV8]

M3 dosnt need a chip. Stardard E46 M3 vs Standard new 335i. M3 wins. Its a faster can on a drag and on a track. Only time u will see an M3 loose to a 335 - will be because its a manual M3 and the driver is a horriable shifter. Fact

[luis9691]

Yes! You're right BradV8! Completely right! The M3 is the best ever produced car for the BMW. The 335 has nothing to do with the M3. Nothing!

[kymorep]

Sure the M3 is an icon, i had one (second hand e46). However know i have the 335i coupe full options. When i compare those cars the 335i is more fun in daily use becouse of the thorque and it's even faster in the 80-120. Above 120 the m3 is a little faster. Tracktimes have no use because you don't drive on a track. The 335i is a super bmw and the m3 is an icon.

René from Holland

[luis9691]

Ok. You're wrong but that's ok. Nothing like the M3, and believe me, I know what I'm saying.

[d9me]

No you dont know what you're saying....the e92 335i is a better car than the e46 M3.

[GangreneVagina]

d9me-

How can you say "you don't know what you're saying" to that dude when he's voicing his opinion? The E46 M3 is definitely the car of choice for SOME people and others, who don't place as much importance on true sportiness, would prefer the 335i.

It's a matter of opinion, dude.

[tougefreak]

335i don't even has a LSD and softer suspension. I wouldn't call a car better based on how it runs in a straight line.

[gpower07]

youre a big fucking douchebag... the 335i costs almost 50k... idiot

[honkydave07]

335i will beat an E46 M3. Not by much but it will. I own an 07 335i and my friend has an 04 M3. I beat him consistently. And as far as i can say about a 335i being a poor mans M3...it just means there was no M3 around when you go to purchase your new BMW. Im not a patient man.

[relaydump]

You are either a liar, or idiot. I have a friend with a 335i, and one with a 135i. The 135i stays in front of both the 335i and the M up until about 60/70 MPH (have you not raced your "friend" faster than this?). From 80 on, the M3 WALKS AWAY. Horsepower starts to take over as the wind resistance builds and builds.

The extra 33/43 horsepower in the M and the lower weight give it the advantage in a "real" straight line race (1/4 mile). Cornering/Track/Auto-X - 335 has NO CHANCE (yet again).

[jxmac206]

ORLY?!

[dalesteel]

what M3 the new one or the old one? The old M3 is about 340 BHP. The 335i bmw say is 305 but test show they range from 320-340 bhp standard. 335i just edges the old m3 but wont beat the new m3. Unless u stage 3 juice box chip it. Then its more like 400BHP and it will beat the new M3 because the smaller 3.0L engine as 2 turbos and is more free reving. Beleave me its a fact..

[relaydump]

lol! what? do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

"it will beat the new M3 BECAUSE THE SMALLER 3.0L ENGINE AS(has?) 2 TURBOS AND IS MORE FREE REVING. BELEAVE (believe?) ME ITS A FACT.."

Sure, I will believe you... but I am a little concerned here. I would love to know why you would even think that a 3.0 liter turbocharged engine would be "more free revving" than a RACE ENGINE developed to rev to 8,000 (e46) or 8,400 (e9x). You have to be kidding me, right?

[dalesteel]

you clearly haven't driven one so go away.

'lol! what?(Do?) do you just make this stuff up as you go along?'

By the way its (' )not( ") when taking a comment off someone else.

[relaydump]

seriously - this isn't a grammar contest, and if it was - i would still win.

when "taking a comment off someone else" (this is called quoting someone) you use double quotation marks not single. single quotes are used for single characters or in nested quotes.

there is much more to this + i could care less.

i own an e46 m3, have driven the 135i, 335i, and the "new" M. when my car goes into BMW for maintenance - this is what they give (not the M - that was a test drive).

[dalesteel]

the 335i is faster than M3 e46. end of conversation. It is more free reving meaning it revs up ('spools up' for want of a more accurate word) quicker because of the turbos. Thats not to say it redlines later. This is because the turbos push more air through. The e90 335 as a newer chasis and running gear. it really is quicker. Please dont argue with me on this.

[relaydump]

Why do you think that it's faster? It's not. It (335) has more torque (off the line and throughout the power band), but not more power under the curve. It also weighs more. How can a heavier car with a less powerful engine be faster than the opposite?

[dalesteel]

Look I dont work at bmw but I know its quicker. Some american company as done a test on youtube. watch 135i vs 335i vs M3. 135i wins then 335i then M3. But i knew this anyway. I would think around a track the M3 would win but I am not 100% sure.

[relaydump]

"You know" based on a video...

Outstanding Dale!

I know based on experience, logic, and physics. I have DRIVEN both cars, and own an M3. Around a track, the M3 will rape a 335i, in a straight line - they are very close, but not as much as you are thinking.

LOOK AT THE 0-100 (MPH) TIMES AN e46 M3 IS ALMOST 1 SECOND QUICKER

You fail. Over and over and over.

[dalesteel]

you keep going by the figures bmw post. Watch the video its completley unbiased. For frig sake there all BMW's there testing why would they say 335 is quicker if it wasn't. You will learn. The M3/335i are about the same 0-60 but 80-140 335i wins. I am talking about the e46 M3 here, not the new one. I know that is quicker. I am not slaggin the e46 m3 off it is an outstanding car andif it wasnt abit dated i would have one over the 335i but the fact remains that the 335i is faster.

[relaydump]

How is a video unbiased?

These are CAR AND DRIVER NUMBERS:

0-100 MPH (e46 M3) 11.6 seconds

0-100 MPH (e92 335i) 12.7 seconds

That is unbiased - not a video. I too am unbiased, and will say again - I have an e46 M - have driven a 135 and a 335. Yes, they are quick off the line. Yes, they FEEL fast - maybe even faster than my car. After about 60-80 MPH - the M3 is just in a whole different league. You don't understand what an M is. You don't understand these are not COMPARABLE cars.

[dalesteel]

I do understand. Your comparing the last generation M3 to the new generation of BMW's its like a BMW550i is practically as quick as the old M5. Its evolution. Cars become quicker and the M's become quicker. The fact is your so wrong and one day you will see the snout of a 335i badged 3 series. You'll be in its way!

[relaydump]

No - you don't understand!

An M series car is not a sports sedan (335i). It's an M. These cars are not in the same class. You keep talking straight line - an M is made/meant for a track, whereas a 335i is UNTRACKABLE without modifications. Due to your precious turbos in the 335i - the oil gets cooked without adding an aftermarket oil cooler.

The e46 M3 takes ONE SECOND LESS than the 335i to 100 MPH

A 550i is not even comparable to an M3 (regardless of year) - you are missing the point.

[relaydump]

I am finished responding to you. You can comment as much as you wish, I will not reply anymore. You keep saying "I know it's faster" without any facts whatsoever to back it up.

FACT: 0-100 mph M3 wins

FACT: M3 wins due to its lighter weight, gearing, and engine (powerband/power)

FACT: You are either too young to drive, or have a 335i and cannot get over the fact that your car is not an M.

FACT: A BMW is not meant for straight lines - if you want this, buy American.

FACT: You are an idiot.

[dalesteel]

Ill carry on been an idiot then. My car is as fast around the uk's roads as i need and its faster around the uk roads than an e46 M3. So save up and buy a 335i then. Because you and I both know neither will see a race track.

[sgman92]

finally someone that talks sense!! amen

[maso070]

totally agree with you comparing a 335i to an m3 is just like comparing a tuned supra to a ferrari you just dont do it because there is no comparison 335i is meant for a retired pensioner whereas m3 is meant for the twisty stuff same as saying you can make a supra 1000hp which is just pointless if you cant take a corner without boost coming on and you could possibly kill yourself

[Colinfichman]

@relaydump yea thats why the new m3 is gonna be a turbo 6 similar to the 335? with a JB3 chip, a 335 will eat an e46 m3.

[relaydump]

@Colinfichman - i don't understand your point. yes, the next m3 will be an i6 turbo. yes, a 335i TUNED will most likely beat an e46 that is NOT TUNED in A STRAIGHT LINE.

if you want to compare apples to oranges, take the chipped 335i and pit it against an HPF e46 M3. i don't think the 335i will be "eating".

if you want to compare stock for stock - the m3 wins on both a straight and on the racetrack (where it counts). 0-100 mph on the e46 (stock) is almost 1 second faster than a 335i (stock).

[thebettermonth]

@relaydump i have an e92 M3 and its unbelievable!! no way a 335 would even touch it

[relaydump]

@thebettermonth agreed. :-)

e9x M3 is an amazing piece of engineering.

[AMGkompressor20]

335 dct > e46 m3

[relaydump]

in what way?

again, two cars in two seperate categories shouldn't really be comapred.

An M is an M for a reason. A 335i is a FAST sports sedan - not a sports car built for a track. I understand that the straight-line performance is VERY close, but on a track? I am sorry, you are wrong.

Look at the 0-100 MPH times on both of these cars - you will see even in a straight line, you will see the 40 hp difference.

[shadowhunter45s]

Your a Moron The 335i is Absolutely build for a track, just like all bmws but especially the 335i

[relaydump]

Besides what I just pointed out below - you live in the USA - you can't even PURCHASE a DCT 335i.

Just a tip - clean up your profile.

Anyone who clicks on your name will see the low IQ troll that you are. About 75% of your posts are anti-BMW, now you come here saying a sedan is faster than an M. I really think this country needs to clean house - people like you are the future?

You watch videos to make your decisions instead of using real life experiences and facts.

Outstanding work.

[viggoM35]

@relaydump What chassis models is he comparing anyhow??? E46 and E92??? Not sure.

[sk8rgeoff]

335i = Poor man's M3.

[jhilsua]

Yeah right... as if a poor guy could afford a 45,000 plus car...!

[m3rob7]

dude no...horrible shifts..

[nvmcxzoiusae]

M3 sounds like auto

[dogukanc1]

m3 driver is not shifting properly.

[impactcarrentals]

335i faster omg

[licksuck]

slow as m3 HAhahhaha cant beat the 335i, i have that car!!!

[quencho092]

WWII piston airplane motors were FI...they had to be to operate at high performance at high altitudes...

The point is, the higher you go, the less power you'll get because there is less Oxygen concentration in the air. Why do you think it's so easy to lose your breath at high altitudes-body is demanding more oxygen than your lungs could deliver at normal breathing rate. turbos will win at high altitudes if the WHP is close enough.

[cubanomx2]

yes. here in mexico city with so high altitudes, turbo cars are super great... small Turbos can beat bigs V8's!!

[M3tor2nR7]

5500ft Elevation. Riiiight. This race comparison is horrible. Bring it back down to Sea level and see who wins. Turbo and Forced Induced cars have a HUGE advantage at higher elevation. NA cars lose lots of power the higher you go.

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

how does sea level play a part in this?

[SpeedKlz]

Thinner air at high altitude drastically affects naturally aspirated engine performance.

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

Well all engines love cold air right? But on hot days turbos seem to be extra useless i know one particular fellow who drives with hid hood popped on hot days. His car is seriously quick in the cold yet very sluggish to say the least on hot days... so to me its more logical to see turbos getting affected more than naturally aspirated engines in varying conditions, especially since on hot days air is thinner as was in this case.

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

So i cant really think of a more scientific explanation for what we saw here.

[vipeme1]

lol ok, i love it when people talk out of their asses.

[paulnwgb]

@ 5500ft, asl, the M3 will be at a disadvantage as it doesn't have a turbo. M3 would win < 2500ft asl.

Both great cars