what the hell is this, nothing like Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate Do that im used to, this is like "hardest kick to the calf" hardly any kicks were to the head, in Okinawan Karate you don't just kick and take jabs its more doing whatever you are able to do in order to win. Thats what Okinawan Karate is like. even if it means knocking them out clean.
There are other non-Kyokushin styles/organizations that have kumite under "knockdown kumite" rules that resemble Kyokushin. There are many non-Muay Thai stylists that compete under Muay Thai rules, too. Yoshukai (Chito Ryu offshoot), Byakuren (Kempo offshoot), and others more or less use Kyokushin knockdown karate rules and regularly train under that type of kumite. Osu!
"For all the preported years of training @mddog and @samuri184, there seems to be some rather inflated ego's. In which case you havee totally missed the point. Peace!
Sure looks like Kyokoshin, rules appear the same as well, no punches to face, type of techniques employed, etc. Location is not so important. Which came first the chichken, or the egg? It just doesn't look like any Okinawan Style I have ever seen, but I haven't trained in an Okinawan Art. If this is Okinawan, my suspicion is that this Art might be the roots of Kyokoshin. They are obviously related. Peace.
u r correct in that it looks like Kyokyushin and the rules are similar. u ask a good question, which came first the chicken or the egg.
This is not one okinawan style, but open to all okinawan styles. My understanding from talking to the ref is that most of the fighters come from goju-ryu seibukan and shidokan (miyahira's sorin-ryu), but the are others.
and the fighting style (of at least some) comes from a careful examination of kata and bunkai. (sorry ur suspicion is wrong) :)
@silentlurcker I'm slightly familiar with these styles. Kyokoshin splintered from Shotokan. The origins of Shotokan has it's roots in Okinawan styles. Funakoshi shihan combined these different styles, plus what he already knew. I'm don't see why a style couldn't, or wouldn't resurface later in a slightly different form. Kumite is exactly that: The combination, and refinement of Bunkai, and Kata. Of course this is a hypothesis, and not based on research. Thanks for your response. Regards.
no, its okinawan, like the title states. based on what knowledge would you make the statement that it is kyokushin? Admittedly it LOOKS like kyokushin, but it was held on the island of okinawa, and all of the fighters are from branches of Okinawan styles headquartered on okinawan. this is a small tournament, but every year Okinawa has a full contact tournament, and my understanding is that kyokushin has never won the okinawan tournament.
Now what would make you make such an ignorant statement like that? and if it is now okinawan karate then why do all the gis have okinawan karate patches on them? and why are there so many okinawan fighting?
This is stupid. Not real Karate. You cannot have real budo karate mixed with sports karate. No attempt to block and what about the head? Very silly: I have long ago given up on Jyu Kumite I now do my own style based on original Okinawan Karate all beit via GOJU Kai (Japan) flavour.
This is stupid. Not real Karate. You cannot have real budo karate mixed with sports karate. No attempt to block and what about the head? Very silly: I have long ago given up on Jyu Kumite I now do my own style based on original Okinawan Karate all beit via GOJU Kai (Japan) flavour.
I truly respect all the years of dedication and training you gentlemen have put into the martial arts. I am sure you are proficient in your respective martial arts. However, with all the years you have put into the martial arts, I have to believe that you have learned more than just how to fight. With the years of training you have, you must be "Senseis" by now. Do you teach your students only about fighting? What about the other aspects of martial arts?
There's a diffrence theese guys are trained to take abnormaly hard punches, on of those will put you down... after that you can begin to forget all your bjj bullshit.
Actually, there is a lot more than just "taking" the punch. Not so sure about the gojo-ryu guys, but with the shorin-ryu guys, the punches never really land, but if they do actually land, they go down.
Yes, the rules are essentially the same as kyokushin. there are minor differences, such as how ties are decided etc., but its the not punch to the head, no kick to the groin etc.
if these guys hit or kicked 99% plus people on the street, they would go down with one punch.
With all due respect, how would use Brazilian jujitsu against more than one big opponent? In a multi-opponent situation, it's far more effective to stay on your feet, whether that means staying to fight or running away.
With all due respect, not with enough time to avoid getting kicked in the head or stabbed. The assumption that 90% of fights go to the ground is a gross estimation.
for sure its far more effective to stay on your feet, but its very hard, proved by many street fights, but if you can, good for you! and grappling alone is not enough, you need knife skills, and stand up also
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no problem, ive 25 years of ma, if you are a 6th dan you are at least 60 or so, so all your dans vs my age advantage, seems to be fair, i like a good fight
no problem, i like a good fight, maby we can let it film for you tube also.. if youre a 6th dan, you are at least a 60 year old guy, so you have the dan advantage i the age, seems to be fair.
i begin my carreer in martial arts when I was 7 years old, and I am not 60 yeras old, my age is 40 years old, how about this, I am more concern about you Duch boy! I am still fighting MMA and Sambo in Russian. what is your non professional experience? what you have been done the past couple years? dont tell you are only BJJ grappling, if yes not interesting in fight you BOY!
you idiot at least they can take all those hits in a street fight, if they only trained techinque they wouldn't be strong. why should they keep their guard up if theyr trained to get hit on the body, some of them can break bricks and ice(some of them are fake), so damaging the opponent so he can't move anymore is very usefull in a street fight because most people aren't trained to get hit unlike some martial arts like kyokushin karate.
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karate is great for little kids, thats about it. i have seen BBJ white belts smoke "black Belts" in karate. Besides with the economy being the way it is "master" just promote their students to keep them coming back every month
there have also been black belts smoke bjj. you just dont hear about that much. karate is what it is. its not that bad. more then a few professional fighters use it as their primary striking system.
Actually it's the other way around. Machida's main art is Shotokan, his father's like a 6th or 7th Dan who moved to Brazil from Japan, and he trained his kids in karate growing up. The Machidas took up BJJ later, but used it to complement their main art. If he was mainly BJJ, he'd spend way more time grappling in matches than he does now. Instead he uses karate's strategy of treating the opponent's arms and legs as swords, picking the right time to strike without absorbing too many blows.
I can see where what I was saying is confusing. I meant that his main art is shotokan, although he studied BJJ as a compliment. No disagreement from me!
Machida is my favorite fighter next to fedor. his style of fighting is perfect, how he just pulls things off out of the blue and rarely if ever gets hurt bad. He is one of the most skillfull fighters i have ever seen and i will be devastated if he ever gets beat. I love to see him pick apart brawlers, he is a true martial artist.
Karate is "useless" and BBJ is the standard against multiple attackers.
Your arrogance and lack of intellect proceeds you, but I guess that's to be expected from a typical youTube poser. Keep posting the "useless" comment on all the karate videos you are looking at. Deep down you know you have a secret desire to switch over. Why would you otherwise seek out karate videos?
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just goes to show that karate is useless in a real fight. These are black belts?? A beginner Muay Thai fighter or a BBJwhite belt would kill these guys..
Seriously? Does this look like a real fight to you? Does muay thai or BJJ resemble anything near a real fight ever? Absolutely not. It's competition with safety in mind.
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I'm sorry guys, I'm pretty sure kyokushin rules allow kicks IN THE FACE, but is just not used in this match. You have to be a very good kicker to use it. I didn't knew the style came from okinawa, I'm surprised.
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embarassing to watch..none of these guys are even remotely convincing as fighters..on the street they'd be dead real fast, and in the mma arena they'd be all knocked out in about 30 secs max.
Vincent4500 wouldn't last a minute in here. This is full contact with rules. No hitting in the face. Just like UFC have rules, I won't be allow to bring my UZI and hose them with bullets.
of course this is not battlefield stuff. it is a tournament with rules. if you are conditioned and can tolerate lots of pain and fatigue, and if you are lighter than the other person, you win. that simple. For what it's worth, the organizer and ref, Koichi Nakasone (who is amazing- look him up when in okinawa and he'll totally train with you), told me that this event was very low quality fighting. Even so, these guys were pummeled per their wrecked bodies afterwards.
totally sloppy, no speed, all it is, is hack, hack, hack. they make no distance, no shifting, etc. oh yeah, martial art means "military art" many styles would fall under this description, but not this or kickboxing, no military uses either.
It wasn't totally sloppy, although it sometimes was sloppy. It just isn't about the perfect gyaki tsuki. Karate has never been intended for military purposes in the first place. And martial arts in general aren't very thoroughly practised, since empty handed arts are not as effective as guns on a modern battlefield ;-)
I'm not sure I agree with you. If you know the right technics, I can kill with one finger, so if you use your entire body, I can pretty much do what you want.
You haven't take a full punch from an okinawan fighter who it a makiwara 200 times a day...
I'd be one of the last who'd deny the effectiveness of makiwara. Good solid technique is a sine qua non in karate. But full contact kumite is something completely different than WKF semi contact, basta.
I disagreed with one of the previous comments about the supposed sloppiness of the karateka. "Laboratory clean" kind of gyaku tsuki and other techniques are very hard to do with this kind of rules.
if done right with the proper tension, in the board and a relaxed shoulder, you shouldn't have any issues long term. If it is too stiff in the board or you, then lots of problems
I was there for these fights, organized by the Shorin master Koichi Nakasone, and it was pretty tough. Not exactly ufc tough owing to different rules, but quite the pummeling of the body. In the end, whoever is conditioned enough to last, and then weighs the least, wins.
1. yes, that's true, but it certainly looks like these karateka are skillful enough to land a lot of kicks to the head. 2. what's wrong with punches cutting the face? getting roughed up is part of it if you're not going to use some sort of glove. i mean, why don't they give them the gloves they use in pride or the ufc?
3. i don't mean to be a jerk. i just want to see them use all the techniques in the karate repertoire--well, short of gouging out the eyes, breaking the neck, or spinal column, or rendering them unable to have children, etc.
what the hell is this, nothing like Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate Do that im used to, this is like "hardest kick to the calf" hardly any kicks were to the head, in Okinawan Karate you don't just kick and take jabs its more doing whatever you are able to do in order to win. Thats what Okinawan Karate is like. even if it means knocking them out clean.
ur2cool1001 1 month ago
There are other non-Kyokushin styles/organizations that have kumite under "knockdown kumite" rules that resemble Kyokushin. There are many non-Muay Thai stylists that compete under Muay Thai rules, too. Yoshukai (Chito Ryu offshoot), Byakuren (Kempo offshoot), and others more or less use Kyokushin knockdown karate rules and regularly train under that type of kumite. Osu!
kskusawa 4 months ago
ridiculous
LeComte13 5 months ago
kyokushin
ttt3045 7 months ago
silly
Jerryefisher 1 year ago
looks like kyokushinkai to me...
yardkyle 1 year ago
Uh... Number 2 block might of helped..
Reyu 1 year ago
I bet I could give these karate guys a good thrashing. A muay thai fighter is better.
They should give them clown suits.
SeerTravisTruman 1 year ago
"For all the preported years of training @mddog and @samuri184, there seems to be some rather inflated ego's. In which case you havee totally missed the point. Peace!
torro454 1 year ago
@mddog, @samuri184, BTW I didn't mean to post the same message so many times, only once. My apology.
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torro454 1 year ago
Sure looks like Kyokoshin, rules appear the same as well, no punches to face, type of techniques employed, etc. Location is not so important. Which came first the chichken, or the egg? It just doesn't look like any Okinawan Style I have ever seen, but I haven't trained in an Okinawan Art. If this is Okinawan, my suspicion is that this Art might be the roots of Kyokoshin. They are obviously related. Peace.
torro454 1 year ago
@torro454
u r correct in that it looks like Kyokyushin and the rules are similar. u ask a good question, which came first the chicken or the egg.
This is not one okinawan style, but open to all okinawan styles. My understanding from talking to the ref is that most of the fighters come from goju-ryu seibukan and shidokan (miyahira's sorin-ryu), but the are others.
and the fighting style (of at least some) comes from a careful examination of kata and bunkai. (sorry ur suspicion is wrong) :)
silentlurcker 1 year ago
@silentlurcker I'm slightly familiar with these styles. Kyokoshin splintered from Shotokan. The origins of Shotokan has it's roots in Okinawan styles. Funakoshi shihan combined these different styles, plus what he already knew. I'm don't see why a style couldn't, or wouldn't resurface later in a slightly different form. Kumite is exactly that: The combination, and refinement of Bunkai, and Kata. Of course this is a hypothesis, and not based on research. Thanks for your response. Regards.
torro454 1 year ago
that's kyokushin isn't it?
mazilin2 1 year ago
this is kyokushinkai Karate
senseichief 2 years ago
@senseichief
no, its okinawan, like the title states. based on what knowledge would you make the statement that it is kyokushin? Admittedly it LOOKS like kyokushin, but it was held on the island of okinawa, and all of the fighters are from branches of Okinawan styles headquartered on okinawan. this is a small tournament, but every year Okinawa has a full contact tournament, and my understanding is that kyokushin has never won the okinawan tournament.
silentlurcker 1 year ago
this is NOT okinawa karate!
wetdreamsband 2 years ago 17
@wetdreamsband It's on Okinawa. The rules are knock down karate.
KaptajnKold 1 year ago
@wetdreamsband
Now what would make you make such an ignorant statement like that? and if it is now okinawan karate then why do all the gis have okinawan karate patches on them? and why are there so many okinawan fighting?
silentlurcker 1 year ago
@wetdreamsband
This is stupid. Not real Karate. You cannot have real budo karate mixed with sports karate. No attempt to block and what about the head? Very silly: I have long ago given up on Jyu Kumite I now do my own style based on original Okinawan Karate all beit via GOJU Kai (Japan) flavour.
theesteves3 1 year ago
@theesteves3 Bravo!! One of the most insightful comments I have read on the net.
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This is stupid. Not real Karate. You cannot have real budo karate mixed with sports karate. No attempt to block and what about the head? Very silly: I have long ago given up on Jyu Kumite I now do my own style based on original Okinawan Karate all beit via GOJU Kai (Japan) flavour.
theesteves3 1 year ago
@wetdreamsband and how did you come to that conclusion?
adairbritton 1 year ago
@adairbritton Because I train okinawa karate for 10 years now.
wetdreamsband 1 year ago
I truly respect all the years of dedication and training you gentlemen have put into the martial arts. I am sure you are proficient in your respective martial arts. However, with all the years you have put into the martial arts, I have to believe that you have learned more than just how to fight. With the years of training you have, you must be "Senseis" by now. Do you teach your students only about fighting? What about the other aspects of martial arts?
wsntsnks 2 years ago 2
Well said. There are a whole of guys on here who seem to be brimming with martial arts knowledge but absolutely NO humility...how so?
MrEllaitch 2 years ago
old full contact okinawan fights allow head punches (around 1990)
i dont like this kyokushin like rules, but is still good to see some old school karate
burzum19861986 2 years ago
BJJ againsy more opponent will get you kill!
mddog 2 years ago
There's a diffrence theese guys are trained to take abnormaly hard punches, on of those will put you down... after that you can begin to forget all your bjj bullshit.
kallevon 2 years ago
Actually, there is a lot more than just "taking" the punch. Not so sure about the gojo-ryu guys, but with the shorin-ryu guys, the punches never really land, but if they do actually land, they go down.
silentlurcker 2 years ago
Almost the same as kyokushin or is it? :)
Onets2 2 years ago
Yes, the rules are essentially the same as kyokushin. there are minor differences, such as how ties are decided etc., but its the not punch to the head, no kick to the groin etc.
if these guys hit or kicked 99% plus people on the street, they would go down with one punch.
silentlurcker 2 years ago
with all respect, bjj is far more effective than striking alone vs a big opponent
samurai184 2 years ago
With all due respect, how would use Brazilian jujitsu against more than one big opponent? In a multi-opponent situation, it's far more effective to stay on your feet, whether that means staying to fight or running away.
8dahar1 2 years ago
With all due respect, grappling will give you the means to stay on your feet and escape from the ground in a multiple opponent situation.
Theyellowma 2 years ago
With all due respect, not with enough time to avoid getting kicked in the head or stabbed. The assumption that 90% of fights go to the ground is a gross estimation.
8dahar1 2 years ago
for sure its far more effective to stay on your feet, but its very hard, proved by many street fights, but if you can, good for you! and grappling alone is not enough, you need knife skills, and stand up also
samurai184 2 years ago
True, cheese does taste much better when melted. But what is melted cheese without minced meat and onions?
8dahar1 2 years ago
one opponent is nothing!
mddog 2 years ago
maby you cannot even defeat one opponent, soo, if there are more you have a problem. but again everybody has to train what he find usefull
samurai184 2 years ago
you welcome to try me!
mddog 2 years ago
luxemburg is not so far, your welcome to visit holland
samurai184 2 years ago
mddog 2 years ago
no problem, ive 25 years of ma, if you are a 6th dan you are at least 60 or so, so all your dans vs my age advantage, seems to be fair, i like a good fight
samurai184 2 years ago
no problem, i like a good fight, maby we can let it film for you tube also.. if youre a 6th dan, you are at least a 60 year old guy, so you have the dan advantage i the age, seems to be fair.
samurai184 2 years ago
i really like to try myself against a guy who has 17 dans. not in a dojo under your rules but on the concrete, i like
samurai184 2 years ago
i begin my carreer in martial arts when I was 7 years old, and I am not 60 yeras old, my age is 40 years old, how about this, I am more concern about you Duch boy! I am still fighting MMA and Sambo in Russian. what is your non professional experience? what you have been done the past couple years? dont tell you are only BJJ grappling, if yes not interesting in fight you BOY!
mddog 2 years ago
i received a response on an earlier post of mine which you can see if you scroll a bit down which had this in it.
''why should they keep their guard up if theyr trained to get hit on the body, some of them can break bricks and ice''
lets face some facts here :
-it doesnt matter how big,strong ,tough you are or what you can break,get hit against the chin and your done for,simple as that.
and lets not forget that legendary thing that bruce lee said:boards dont hit back.
randomnickftw 2 years ago
BJJ is just lots of crap!
mddog 2 years ago
looks like 2 people taking a stroll around te ring while occasionally trying to hit eachother.
the concept of keeping your guard up seems unknown to them.
a shame they put all that work in learning kata's when thy should concentrate a bit more in techniques that actually can be applicated in a fight .
randomnickftw 2 years ago
you idiot at least they can take all those hits in a street fight, if they only trained techinque they wouldn't be strong. why should they keep their guard up if theyr trained to get hit on the body, some of them can break bricks and ice(some of them are fake), so damaging the opponent so he can't move anymore is very usefull in a street fight because most people aren't trained to get hit unlike some martial arts like kyokushin karate.
thugriderforlife 2 years ago
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karate is great for little kids, thats about it. i have seen BBJ white belts smoke "black Belts" in karate. Besides with the economy being the way it is "master" just promote their students to keep them coming back every month
rapperslayer1 3 years ago
there have also been black belts smoke bjj. you just dont hear about that much. karate is what it is. its not that bad. more then a few professional fighters use it as their primary striking system.
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago
I wonder if Lyoto Machida would feel the same way about karate. While he studied BJJ, his main art, which has helped him greatly is Shotokan karate.
ronin752 2 years ago 2
Actually it's the other way around. Machida's main art is Shotokan, his father's like a 6th or 7th Dan who moved to Brazil from Japan, and he trained his kids in karate growing up. The Machidas took up BJJ later, but used it to complement their main art. If he was mainly BJJ, he'd spend way more time grappling in matches than he does now. Instead he uses karate's strategy of treating the opponent's arms and legs as swords, picking the right time to strike without absorbing too many blows.
deek77 2 years ago 8
I can see where what I was saying is confusing. I meant that his main art is shotokan, although he studied BJJ as a compliment. No disagreement from me!
ronin752 2 years ago 2
Machida is my favorite fighter next to fedor. his style of fighting is perfect, how he just pulls things off out of the blue and rarely if ever gets hurt bad. He is one of the most skillfull fighters i have ever seen and i will be devastated if he ever gets beat. I love to see him pick apart brawlers, he is a true martial artist.
OBrien19 2 years ago
Karate is "useless" and BBJ is the standard against multiple attackers.
Your arrogance and lack of intellect proceeds you, but I guess that's to be expected from a typical youTube poser. Keep posting the "useless" comment on all the karate videos you are looking at. Deep down you know you have a secret desire to switch over. Why would you otherwise seek out karate videos?
moelicious1 2 years ago
As usual the youtube moron goon brigade jumps in to criticize about how this isn't MMA.
Most of you cirticizing these guys would poop your pants and cry if you had to fight them.
zachariahz 3 years ago
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just goes to show that karate is useless in a real fight. These are black belts?? A beginner Muay Thai fighter or a BBJwhite belt would kill these guys..
rapperslayer1 3 years ago
Man, you're a idiot!
Jeano777 3 years ago
Seriously? Does this look like a real fight to you? Does muay thai or BJJ resemble anything near a real fight ever? Absolutely not. It's competition with safety in mind.
mouthofacowboy 3 years ago
congratulations, you just proved how little you know about martial arts
buddybestor 3 years ago
Karate is "useless" in a real fight?
Grappling is useless in a street fight. Or against multiple opponents. And the MT you're talking about is a ring fighting sport.
pyramidsofmars64 3 years ago
Buhhhaaa... you are living in the BJJ bullshit world! BJJ is useless! just face it you idiot!
mddog 2 years ago
when an artist does a trained zhenkutsu dachi punch peole whould not stand from it
Bubishi8 3 years ago
looks like kyu kushinkai
Bubishi8 3 years ago
same rules i think
brucefetter 3 years ago
wow were are the good moves? you just punch, and punch, you need to get so combinations. in other words, go back to some real karate.
Jesusfreak112208 3 years ago
and what would real karate look like?
brucefetter 3 years ago
...the 13 looks like Lyoto Machida
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ChangoSR 3 years ago
I'm sorry guys, I'm pretty sure kyokushin rules allow kicks IN THE FACE, but is just not used in this match. You have to be a very good kicker to use it. I didn't knew the style came from okinawa, I'm surprised.
TomdeArgentina 4 years ago
Okinawan karate "full contact" rules don't allow head punches or grappling.
slinkynubby 4 years ago
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embarassing to watch..none of these guys are even remotely convincing as fighters..on the street they'd be dead real fast, and in the mma arena they'd be all knocked out in about 30 secs max.
vincent4500 4 years ago
They are all juniors.
Okinawa karate masters arent allowed in your shitty "MMA" arenas because they would fucking kill the opponent with first punch.
Idiot.
ImperialPimp 4 years ago
Wow, must be pretty impressive... LOL
slinkynubby 4 years ago
Vincent4500 wouldn't last a minute in here. This is full contact with rules. No hitting in the face. Just like UFC have rules, I won't be allow to bring my UZI and hose them with bullets.
israelimossad1 4 years ago
ohhhh shiiit nice kick at the end
1micro 4 years ago
typical kyokushin type tournament with no hitting to the face.....
RyuShiKan 4 years ago
of course this is not battlefield stuff. it is a tournament with rules. if you are conditioned and can tolerate lots of pain and fatigue, and if you are lighter than the other person, you win. that simple. For what it's worth, the organizer and ref, Koichi Nakasone (who is amazing- look him up when in okinawa and he'll totally train with you), told me that this event was very low quality fighting. Even so, these guys were pummeled per their wrecked bodies afterwards.
brucefetter 4 years ago
this is not about nice or strong technique.
totally sloppy, no speed, all it is, is hack, hack, hack. they make no distance, no shifting, etc. oh yeah, martial art means "military art" many styles would fall under this description, but not this or kickboxing, no military uses either.
maoswidow 4 years ago
It wasn't totally sloppy, although it sometimes was sloppy. It just isn't about the perfect gyaki tsuki. Karate has never been intended for military purposes in the first place. And martial arts in general aren't very thoroughly practised, since empty handed arts are not as effective as guns on a modern battlefield ;-)
Moenstah 4 years ago
I'm not sure I agree with you. If you know the right technics, I can kill with one finger, so if you use your entire body, I can pretty much do what you want.
You haven't take a full punch from an okinawan fighter who it a makiwara 200 times a day...
5n000w 4 years ago
I'd be one of the last who'd deny the effectiveness of makiwara. Good solid technique is a sine qua non in karate. But full contact kumite is something completely different than WKF semi contact, basta.
I disagreed with one of the previous comments about the supposed sloppiness of the karateka. "Laboratory clean" kind of gyaku tsuki and other techniques are very hard to do with this kind of rules.
Moenstah 4 years ago 2
makiwara is effective, maybe you mean is bad for your wrist in the long term. That's another discussion, sand bag can also be.
TomdeArgentina 4 years ago
if done right with the proper tension, in the board and a relaxed shoulder, you shouldn't have any issues long term. If it is too stiff in the board or you, then lots of problems
brucefetter 3 years ago
Indeed. =p
Bubishi8 3 years ago
I was there for these fights, organized by the Shorin master Koichi Nakasone, and it was pretty tough. Not exactly ufc tough owing to different rules, but quite the pummeling of the body. In the end, whoever is conditioned enough to last, and then weighs the least, wins.
brucefetter 5 years ago
Absolute nonsence!
70Mack 5 years ago
why should kicks to the head be allowed and not punches? doesn't make any sense.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
for starters,their bare fisted.face punches would make for very short very bloody matches.this is a competition,not a street fight.
kidhadoken 5 years ago
what's wrong with short matches? anyway, kicks to the head are more dangerous than punches. and i'm surprised they don't know how to block.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
1.kicks are harder to land 2.kicks likely won't cut you,punches almost certainly will
kidhadoken 5 years ago
1. yes, that's true, but it certainly looks like these karateka are skillful enough to land a lot of kicks to the head. 2. what's wrong with punches cutting the face? getting roughed up is part of it if you're not going to use some sort of glove. i mean, why don't they give them the gloves they use in pride or the ufc?
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
3. i don't mean to be a jerk. i just want to see them use all the techniques in the karate repertoire--well, short of gouging out the eyes, breaking the neck, or spinal column, or rendering them unable to have children, etc.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
that's why there's daido juku and shidokan.
kidhadoken 5 years ago