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  • What kind of society do we live in?

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  • include real estate, sales tax, medical etc. So thats not enough? Sorry but you are being sold a boat load of crap- yes the money guys should have to pay income tax rates not capital gains taxes, a fix in the tax code. Why isnt Obama going after all the companies that pay 0% tax like GE and many of the others? There is alot more money there then on individuals as well, pay more for many who rape the system and live off of it. Sorry

  • Cursed out people going to work, and need I say more about crapping and peeing on the streets, it was not all roses, and they are trying to pin it on the cops now. LOL- Maybe the cops gave them the drugs too? Its not Wall St that owns the pols, health care, car, oil, unions, they are all in the same boat, and wall street is wall street and will always be. I pay over 45% in income taxes between Fed, city and state- and Obama is telling me that is not my fair share or these people? Does not

  • LOL- this is so stupid its not even funny. I live 4 blocks from Zucotti and have lived in the area for 20 years now. I disagree with the majority of their views however everyone has a right to protest and living down here there are plenty. But I have never seen 4 blown out heroin heads until this crap started and yes they were part of the movement. They start creating havoc in the middle of the night banging pots and drums because they want to make their point?They terrorized many businesses

  • If my eviction had gone through, I would most certainly have joined the Zucotti protesters. I already have signs that I have used at protests. My eviction is still pending because the landlord has made repeated claims about unreceived checks, at least one of which is proven false. I'm supposed to relocate for a job next month, but I may be made homeless before them if I cannot scrape up my rent money for the month in time.

  • good job ben, good job cenk

  • You are all missing the point. That there are homeless people in America in the first place and not one of you cares!

  • ===================PROPAGANDA ALERT==================

    A decades old COVER UP is now being REVEALED.

    In order to blow smoke over the fact and OVERSHADOW the REAL conversation....MEDIA has HIRED ACTORS and RAPPERS to go into the crowds and create a PSUEDO MOVEMENT.

    They are trying to incite the public against cops, Walmart and Union bosses.

    This is NOT about cops, Walmart and Union bosses.

    This is about UNCONSTITUTIONAL practices of the banks, Federal Reserve, and their bribed politicians.

  • Youtube ROBERT GIBBS CONFRONTED he admits there's been a decades old COVER UP of the Federal Reserve.

  • They send the unstable, drug-addicted and homeless to Zucotti to 'stir-up' issues and create an unsafe environment. Wake up! It's obviously to make the people down at Zucotti feel uneasy and also allow the media to cover a false side of the story. I have BEEN THERE. I have SPOKEN TO MANY PEOPLE (Of sound mind, and who also have jobs and lives outside of OWS) and they state that they are sending them there.

  • I've been down to Occupy Wall Street numerous amounts of times and these claims are TRUE. I have spoken to many of the internal security persons at OWS and they state that "Rapists, drug addicts and homeless are all sent to Zucotti park" When a group of OWS security told NYPD that there was a rapist among them in the park and they wanted him out they did NOTHING. Contrary to what news was stating that "OWS was not saying anything to police" This is FALSE and the complete OPPOSITE is true.

  • Any other time a liberal "journalist" does a story on homeless people, he/she takes a sympathetic tone. In this case, however, in order to further their clearly liberal agenda, the homeless must be depicted as "troublemakers" and "freeloaders". FREELOADERS?!?! Disgusting.

  • @BrownHawk35 You're missing the point, the police are sending the criminal element to Zucotti park, irregardless off them being homeless.

  • So this fat, condecending "journalist" understands "the code of homeless people"?

  • So the cops are trying a new sleaze tactic to harass citizens. Is anyone surprised?

  • im taking a dookie right now

  • Zuccotti park is too dirty for homeless people.

  • these scum would be perfect cannon fodder......the police are the heroes

  • 3:20 troll face

  • ================PROPAGANDA ALERT=========================­====

    Police are assigned to a very small square footage and are not aloud to roam through the crowds.

    MEDIA has FREEDOM to REDIRECT people and CREATE RIOTS.

    The media has also HIRED RAPPERS AND ACTORS to go into the crowds and incite riots.

    Now this same media blames jo shmoe cop...??

  • @cbasallie

    Young Turks is hardly "the media"!

  • @geffel You may not respect them or, maybe you don't think they have Main Stream Zionist connections but ,,, at the end of the day....do you know who funds the operation?

    I'm just sayin.

  • Of couuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurse!

    They does that everywhere. Even In Canada?

    Do you remember The Summit of Americas in Québec City in 2001? Probably not.

    But many protesters told the journalists the troublemakers were not amongst their ranks and that nobody knew them. They said they looked like cops, were masked, armed and were surprisingly organized. Because of them, my city was turned to a gigantic cloud of tear gas. May resident were trapped in their house of savagely beaten by the cops...

  • This was to be expected and I called it.

    Next stage - get an actor who pretends to be a schizophrenic/drunk and hang around in another place 'trawling for' these 'machiavelli cops'.

    This is all predictable crap, "poisoning the well" tactics are old hat. And the counter move in this day and age is clear as well. And the next move after that should be obvious as well.

    Get to it!

  • I think the protestors really need to direct their anger at the only ones who can do something about this, Congress!!

  • Just get to the FUCKIN' point Ben! Damn... smh...

  • You know, we need some troublemakers. Watching our guys take beatings from the cops, who never get punished despite their faces being ALL OVER THE TV as a result their actions, makes me realize that we need some expendable violent troublemakers on our side to do our work for us if they want any food or a place to crash. SOMEBODY needs to kick down the front door so everyone can take their occupation INSIDE the big ivory towers, somebody with nothing to lose. Now we might have that. Thanks, cops.

  • You guys turned this into a troll buffet.

  • @Friedstuffsable Thanks!

  • @HomleandSecurity Stupid is thinking the US the greatest nation ever in the universe. I"m pretty sure the Romans had a longer run than the US will have of #1 status (not to mention or medical care and education sucks). We have led the world for 60 years, and the last 20 years we have been faltering. China and India are rising. Their economies are increasing, their influence isn't quite ready for world leadership. But the US won't be able to challenge them for long. Nor should we.

  • Did anybody not expect this kind of shit? If you didn't expect it, you're naive.

  • @Uristdorf Thank You!

  • wow. that sounds very close to what authorities do in the middle east, where members of intelligence services are in the peaceful crowd throwing objects at cops and pushing people towards them. of course, the peaceful protest appears to lose its credibility and then the police proceed to use tear gas, beatings, and different methods to disperse them.

  • The best part about all of this, is you assume this is because the banks want them out. This is NOT a public park in NY. Zuccotti park is a privately owned park, owned by Brookfield Office Properties, which is 50% owned by Brookfield Asset Mangement, which is a 120 billion dollar publically traded realestate business.

    If big business wanted them to leave, they would tell them to, and as it is private property the protesters would have absolutely no recourse but to go find another place to be.

  • Much like most of society many cops are complete scumbags... I know one that is waiting to crack heads in Baltimore, not because they did anything wrong... Just because they can with no repercussions

  • @gekapat -- just like you'll find some crazy cops, you'll also find a few crazy ppl at the protest

  • FUCK THE PIGS, WALL STREET, & GOVERNMENT! WE ARE THE 99% BITCHES!

  • @USAputAmanOnTheMoon Eat a dick

  • Now, wait a second TYT. You close your video by supporting the OWS movement saying that they are in a "Self Contained" park and that "It doesn't spill out AT ALL". What about the march on the Brooklyn Bridge? What about the March on the homes of the "Rich"? What about the countless arrests made throughout this process because of their unwillingness to get out of the street? If there is one thing we know about this protest, it's that it spills out! That's what has the police on high alert.

  • google whoisgoddotorg

  • 11.11.11 SKYRIM!!!!!

  • We love New York! We love America!

    Hail Satan!

    PAAARTY 11/11/11

  • Are you kidding me?? These Aholes spent a year ripping into the Tea-Party because they felt the party was "too white". There were no acts of rape, theft, assault in the tea party and yet the media demonized them and labeled them as out of control nuts.. HAHA... But no one seems to care about the fires and riots started by these Occupy Benchers and ignore these acts of violence.

    Also, quick fun fact: The part they occupy is privately owned.

    please be more hypercritical.

  • @Fischkid2 citations?

  • @NeccoWecco be more vague?

  • @Fischkid2 You made your comment about supposed rape, theft, and assault at OWS, I asked for you for citations of your accusations/claims. Need me to dumb it down? Where did you get the information?

  • ~~ NEW YORK HACKERS PARTY ~~

    All global deejays and hackers

    launching on YouTube 11-11-11

    Stay tuned for the first line-up!

  • Troublemakers and Agents Provocateurs going megawild on youtube and in New York. I wouldn't be surprised if something actually happened on November 11th, 2011. I guess we will see next Friday...

  • I've been saying it! I mean this is obvious, infiltrate and undermine, how much more obvious a tactic could you use?

    Next up, be prepared to have a bunch of drug addled idiots holding a concert and talking about how they're changing the world by getting high and holding a concert.

  • Tip: Don't read the subtitles.

  • Iran nuke New York on 11/11/11

    Hey girl! Hey boy! What ya waiting for?! Get the hell out of there! ;)

  • "To Protect & Serve" my ass. The cop cars should really read, "Abuse and Bully".

  • What's up with the promotion of terrorism comments? "Nuke new York!"??

    Kids are so silly 

  • @YouBeMadlol Well, some crazy christians on youtube believe there will be a new 911 terror attack in New York on 11/11/2011 illuminati date soon and that the earth will open and Satan will destroy the world. So the freaks and devil worshippers on youtube pick it up and run with it. My bet is nothing will happen that day. Just some freaks and satanists having a big party that day. xD

  • @buddyarg crazy Christians? What does their religion have to do with the attack? nothing. as I read the whole bible I'm sure it says nothing about that and an exact date.

  • yeah great comment "imagine we actually lived in a FREE country"...AMERICA is no longer a free country it is a DICTATORSHIP it's just the dumbed down public does not want to admit it to themselves, truth is a bitter pill isn't it? yeah it is...it could never happen in America right?well it is, majority of us in America and the West are domesticated naive docile little children, admit it..don't get all angry just admit it to yourselves and move on, but your anger at me just proves my point

  • Hey GIRL!

    Hey BOY!

    What ya waiting for?!

    HAIL SATAN!

  • Blow up New York!!! Sacrifice yourself for Satan!!! Initiate the end of the world!!!

    11/11/11

    EVERYONE DIES!!!

  • The young turds.

  • this channel is complete garbage. i get my recent events from unbiased thoughtful sources, not this FAKE "INDEPENDENT" tv-to-web bullshit.

  • @emaciation There's no such thing as an unbiased source sir.

    I've been watching this channel for years, they report stories that the mainstream media don't touch unless they have to. Yes it's an opinion based show, it's implied by the title; The Young Turks. They don't pretend to be just presenting the facts, like Fox News often do. If you ignore them, you are not enlightened. You simply have a less varied and complete view of current affairs than the rest of us.

  • @mcnesta80 an unbiased source is an intelligent trustworthy person, not a faceless conglomerate.

  • @mcnesta80 Just because there's no such thing as a perfectly unbiased source, doesn't mean you stop looking for the sources that are the least biased. I think I agree with emaciation...a better use of one's time is to read the facts, and listen to people who try to cover as many angles as possible (neutrally) and then let the viewer decide what is right, rather than giving the viewer only one biased perspective. Propaganda also adds to one's "complete view"; that doesn't mean I should watch it

  • @emaciation I don't think TYT ever promised to be unbiased anyway... They're not a news show - they're commentators, so of course they'll have a certain perspective.

  • I love the part where Ben wants to say 'dark carnival elephant.'

  • No matter what they are still Americans!!! They have Rights to do as any American. This is not a Dictatorship..

  • The freeloaders that are just there for free food and don't participate in the assemblies should be 'walked out' of Zucotti Park in the middle of a large group.

  • i have some views about this situation....but imma keep them to myself. i dont wanna contribute to the flame war. :(

  • Hey drunkard, go on over to Zuccotti so we can kick your @ss... ;^) - incredible satellite view of USA; Balkingpoints / com

  • You know, all that's happening now... It's the type of stuff you read about in political dystopian fiction novels and think to yourself "Thank God that doesn't happen in real life...". And then, it happens.

  • @DaisyExodus

    That's why we should all do the true American thing and simply not give a shit if it doesn't effect us.

    Fuck you got mine, bitches.

  • Should raise money/awareness for actual mental health/housing ....shame bloomberg and ny city into properly dealing with these people

  • This is funny! OWS is finished. Bums, hippies, and dangerous criminal hang out with the OWS.

  • NYPD ARE SCUM

  • @USAputAmanOnTheMoon

    Many of these people are protesting because they can't get jobs to earn money in the first place.

    Dumbass.

  • @USAputAmanOnTheMoon

    >USAputAmanOnTheMoon

    That's about all we did. Soviets put the first artificial satellite in orbit, first living creature in orbit, first man in orbit (and brought him back alive), first space station, and they put no less than three remote control rovers on the moon decades before we sent one to Mars. Yet we get all the glory because we did ONE thing.

  • Patriotic Americans oppose OWS. Only pro-terrorism people support it.

  • @HomleandSecurity and your a retard

  • @StoneTNo5. Don't pay attention to HomeleandSecurity. First, he can't spell his username right. HomeleandSecurity? WTF is that? Second, like any Christian he knows very little or nothing about Christianity. Third, all he does is come on TYT to lie about how "rich" and "powerful" he is, act like he's better than everyone else and make empty threats all while hiding behind his computer. He doesn't have the balls to make a video showing his face or talk to people face to face like he does on TYT.

  • @cne08 My username is spelled exactly the way I want it. I told you this before, moron. I don't want to imply any connection with the actual agency.

  • @HomleandSecurity, Troll much?

  • @HomleandSecurity how about you shut tf up read up before you speak again.

  • @HomleandSecurity Excuse me! I was at Zuccotti Park and I met some of the most patriotic people in recent memory. So in essence you're telling everyone at YouTube that I'm also a pro-terrorist? Maybe you should lose your job, your health benefits, your pension, and even lose your home and then you'll realize that the people at Zuccotti Part are fighting for a legitimate cause. I'm shocked at the lack of empathy and understanding the people at Occupy Wall Street.

  • @VerseInfinitum The people taking part in these protests are doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted. They are pro-terrorist.

  • @HomleandSecurity No, their not pro-terrorists! They want change, not harm. Oh and by the way, Osama bin Laden and his group were trained by the CIA in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets during the 1980s and the same group who killed American troops in Iraq are the same people who overthrew Muammar al-Qadaffi of Libya, because of NATO's help. So who's the real terrorists? the 1% who own the banks and corporations, who influence public policy in our government including wars.

  • @HomleandSecurity You're too stupid to articulate into words. How, How! do people like you think this way and justify it in your morally corrupt minds.

  • @rza1m Stupid? Stupid is thinking you deserve money for free. Stupid is thinking you deserve a job instead of working hard and earning one. Stupid is protesting the greatest nation in the history of the universe.

  • @HomleandSecurity No. Stupid is protecting people who claim to be pro-capitalists but choose social bailouts when corporate lobby banks fail and then denying public healthcare because it's 'socialism'. Stupid is allowing your lobbyist to pass laws through political corruption and paying off politicians. Stupid, is pretending the deregulation of banks causing economic collapse was an accident. Stupid is your whole rhetoric my friend.

  • @HomleandSecurity BTW you spelt 'homeland' wrong.

  • @rza1m I was not trying to spell that word, derp

  • @HomleandSecurity listen, in all fairness mate, I think it's a good thing you're here. I mean, i disagree with you but I think it's essential that we can have an earnest discussion without bashing each others heads in. Very brave.

    On an unrelated note, and don't take this the wrong way, but your argument is kind of dumb.

  • @shittyfagg

    HomelandSecurity is a paranoid far right troll - claims to be all about free speech, but only iof it supports bigotry, racism, homophobia, right wing uber-fear of 'the outsider' and of course their favourite - corporate greed. He and his kind guzzle the lie-jizz from right wing propaganda outlets (Pig Limbaugh, Hannity, Michael Savage, Fauxpaganda etc) because it suits their lazy narrow mindset.

  • @HomleandSecurity None of the protesters are asking for free money.

    If you want to talk about "free money", then take your anger out on the heads of corporations. The government has literally declared them "too big to fail" & gave them free money in the form of bail outs (courtesy of the American tax payers). Much of it became their bonuses that year (increased from the year before).

    What the protesters know they deserve is a fair chance at the success that greedy individuals deprive them of.

  • @USAputAmanOnTheMoon

    -"hey Johnny, did you learn science, business and math in school today?"

    -"No dad, the teachers just explained to us that you lost your job and we're losing our house because we deserve it."

    -"But Johnny, how will that help you find a job?"

    -"Well dad, when I grow up, I'll do what I'm told so I can get by on the scraps and be grateful."

  • @arcsouljah "Don't forget to kiss plenty of ass Johnny, and make sure you get a job that doesn't produce anything, like accounting"

  • Fuck The Police.

  • am i the only one that thinks the subtitles are really of some times o.O?

  • @liesandtricks It's google technology, of course it's off.

  • Just goes to really show how thick and ridiculous those clowns in blue really are. These people are well within their rights, and most of the time, the protests are very peaceful, they turn ugly when the pigs march in. It's sick. I guess these drones are happy in their ignorance and don't mind taking it up the ass. Everyday this country is becoming more like a banana Republic.

  • @Bellita1 A tea bags look like a flaming bag of dog shit.

  • @pushycatpops They still look better than anyone in OWS.

  • It's very sad the cops sometimes just don't get that THEY ARE PART OF THE 99% TOO the ones that do and only want to help people are getting a bad name from these idiots. I will always defend a good cop a bad cop has no business being a cop.

  • After the Bell Riots of 2024, according to star trek canon it will take a massive 100 years before we can destroy the origin of all hunger, poverty and war: Money. We should do it earlier. We don't have 100 years left the way things are going, at least not unless you are willing to accept an 80% population reduction. But the banksters don't much care about that do they?

  • @MrReoNetro No, I don't think you can avoid star trek's predictions. The fascist courts that Q mocks will also be true as hell. 100 years seems about right for putting to rest a serious dark age and all the generations that are going to drink the koolaid. Right now it's just the central banks and wall street impersonating feudal tax lords. Add to that the chaos of global warming displacement and you have a nice little century ahead.

  • they say-to protect and to serve-but what they really want to say is-get your fat ass back to the ghetto.....(S.Morrissey-singer­&poet)

  • I want people to watch the Star Trek DS9 episode "Past Tense", for those of you who have watched it, as eery as it might sound, it looks as if our future is going straight there, honestly, the resemblances are somewhat uncanny,,,,,

  • @kazekage321414 The Bell Riots.

  • [Subversive comment removed by the US government]

  • @A86 The funny part is, you just typed that comment in yourself, because you're given the freedom to do that in the US.

  • @radscorpion8 - Because we the people fought for it. Freedom cannot be "given" to you. Any "freedom" that is given to you is not freedom, it's an allowance. A privelege, not a right.

  • I wonder if the NYPD still remembers the infamous Frank Serpico incident. Check that out everybody. The NYPD ain't as honest and clean as they want everyone else to think.

  • @jayops It was even worse in the Serpico days.

  • A difference between the banks and the people is that the banks pay the police, but the police just take the people's money. WHo are they gonna listen to?

  • It amazes me that Union police forces would even consider to crackdown on democratic protesters.

  • Having to deal with homeless people in the streets? How horrible! If you're going to stand up to the government and special interests, you'll need to grow a pair and harden up. Quit whining and start protesting!

  • The Chicago PD and Federal Agents are doing the same with Occupy Chicago or at the very least they are trying to co opt and undermine our group from with in but fear not we are currently weeding them out one by one. Occupy Chicago will become much more militant and organized. Civil disobedience will be wide spread and hopefully a general strike will shut down Chicago's financial sector.

    Solidarity to all from Occupy Chicago \m/

  • WOW TYT you dissapoint me, but I hope the homeless get hooked up with jobs and a place to stay!!! =D 

  • @FxOxC not cleaver

  • If the police were really concerned for public safety & order during protests, they would insert themselves quietly into crowds, arresting those who violate the law & maintain the public safety. I don't think most protesters would have a problem with this. Instead, the police are almost always instigators of violence and disorder, often employing "agent provocateurs" and other dishonourable tactics. The police should be on the side of the public.

  • That's why the white shirts were the only ones that were violent. They make more money. The other cops were not so aggressive and proactive. Many of them have to be on the side of the protesters.

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  • James Madison and Adam Smith warned us of the "vile maxim of the masters: All for ourselves, and nothing for the people." Madison warned that the "rising developmental capitalist state was substituting the motive of private interest in place of public duty(!...) leading to a real domination of the few under an apparent liberty of the many." Idiot capitalists, if only you would read what our forefathers wrote... maybe you wouldn't be voting Dem.s and Rep.s and would rather be at OWS.☭

  • Imagine? Thats Albany. So far so good, thanks to the reasonable officials and police.

  • Cenk never knew there was a turf war for the homeless.

  • @DTA550 I didn't either, but it makes sense. People who dont go to homeless shelters often have some mental problems:/

  • @NeccoWecco im just picturing a homeless drive by XD

  • @DTA550 On their shopping carts? lol

  • @NeccoWecco lmao

  • @EdgarD8387 In my opinion, if they don't want to ALL be labeled as bad apples then they need to stand up to their fellow officers that are the bad apples! They need to stop protecting the officers that are disgracing their office and status within our community.

    We used to be able to look up to ALL of them. Now we don't know which ones to trust because they all wear the same mask!

  • "Dark Carnival"..... isn't that those Insane Clown guys thing?

  • @EdgarD8387 Sure. However, in the case of police, the nature of the profession leads to "don't even bother with the one good apple in a rotten barrel". Shining officers are ultra-rare. Perhaps the majority are at best mediocre, wanting to hand out tickets to non-violent (or arrest partially violent) offenders and collect their pay, but I'd still wager that on a whole they're categorically corrupt. The "brother's code" entails lying to protect one another among other more dishonorable things.

  • @EdgarD8387

    In the internet(Esp. youtube) there is a plethora of videos of cops caught in the way deserving those titles.

    From tasering teenage girls in the head, tasering a soon-to-be college student and gave him a heart related death while trying to deny it even though the kid just had clenched fist, arresting a person just for video taping them in public places, killing an innocent man in his own home, and etc. Personally it's a bit naive to assume all cops are innately good.

  • I encouraged quite a few homeless people to go to Zuccotti and get some food and warm clothes. I was shocked at the number who DID NOT go. Note, these were not the stationary types Cenk refers to; these were people who were sitting on the sidewalk at 10:00 and gone a couple of hours later.

  • Isn't "Dark Carnival" a reference to Juggalos?

  • @GreatBigBore actually Dark Carnival predated the ICP as a band (remnants of the MC5, Stooges) but yes the ICP used that as a reference during their formation.

  • @EdgarD8387 Ernst Kaltenbrunner also had a family he presumably cared about. This has no bearing on his moral stature, he was executed. I agree cops don't plot to rule the world. That doesn't mean they don't abuse their positions constantly or don't deserve the titles of 'pig' or 'thug'.

  • you know that is a sad waste of two big screen TV's just showing a logo. It would be better to use a green screen to show the logo's and save money. I mean you could use those tv's to play on the PS3. heh

  • @EdgarD8387 Some of those police officers go home to beat their children too, but since they wear blue and a badge they get away with it for far longer. Usually until they shoot a suspect or beat a homeless man to death.

  • What did they expect? Free Food, Heat, Clothes... They are the 99%! Get used to it... If you don't want to help the bums with your resources, then what makes you think that the rich want to help you with extra taxes?

    About time OWS get a reality check by truly showing them what they are doing. Leaching, like the Bums...

  • Gov't is only protection for the ruling class. None of this bullshit wall street does would be possible without gov't. 

  • The police are one layoff away from our side of the riot shields.

  • yes , what a wait. Maybe not even in our life time here on this dying planet. Our In Humane pp wil be man kinds distruction....

  • Every pig is the same, a failure at the duty that they are intended to serve, criminals with badges. They serve themselves and each other, their loyalty is to their fraternity, never to the public. If you think there is a single one that isnt, youre a sucka! If you see a cop, assume you are in the presence of scum. The socialism that even the right can get behind.

  • Do we live in America anymore. IF...IF the NYPD is doing this than this is getting absolutely unbelievable and disgusting.

  • Look at Ben's pile of papers vs Cenk's.

  • Finally someone says out loud that an ordinary union member cop has nothing to gain by supporting the criminal class running America. It's such an obvious and important truth, but it's something you never ever hear spoken aloud in mainstream media, by police brass, or even by cops on the street.

    I often wonder what ordinary cops think about this topic, and where their real loyalties will lie if and when push comes to shove on a massive scale.

  • @Xz10zb4SNz When push comes to shove, your everyday 'ordinary union member cop' will be doing the pushing and shoving.

    Like always.

  • @UtubeMyAccountName That may be, but for which side? His family, friends, neighbours, those who are clearly related to him by socioeconomic class, or the ones who own everything? I know the knee jerk reation is to bust heads to protect the elites and their property and this will almost certainly be the short term response. But if asked to massacre fellow citizens in a protracted large scale conflict just to protect the property and privilege of others, I have to wonder.

  • @Xz10zb4SNz Tell me of a place and a time in which the police have ever sided with the people against the state?

    Sure, the police here may be different from the police everywhere and everywhen else.

    ...and I may win the lottery. It's about an even chance either way.