Wrestling Roundtable 8/16/09 Part 1 Puroresu

[mmscott9]

DDT is hilarious

[MrTvtech9]

Just asking: When you consider worst Puro wrestlers, how come no one mentioned Raja Lion? He probably takes the cake as worst wrestler of all time.

[fagbert]

Where non-Japanese stars in Japan are concerned, I think "Dr. Death" Steve Williams deserves a big nod. The guy was a quick, intense, agile big man -- if not quite giant-sized one -- that brought a real sense of physicality to his matches. He and Hansen were well-matched in the ring, even if Hansen's wrestling chops weren't quite on the same level.

[MrWwefan15]

kota ibushi,masato yoshino and kenta I am a fan of

[MrWwefan15]

I think that puro is like kungfu movies mixed with pro wrestling and it's a respected and honored sport/art as well.

[jerzeefranky3475]

i thought of an idea 4 either a radio &/or video topic for the upcoming season...

"Best/Worst PWI (Pro Wrestling Illustrated) Articles/Editors/Writers/Topic­s"...

Your thoughts,Eric & WR Fellas?...

[BlackForestMistic420]

Eric do you think marufuji could be superstar of the year for 2010? Because IMO he is the superstar of the year for 2010

[jerzeefranky3475]

things that have changed since this 1st aired...(a)/(b) alex payne is a heel/hes partners w/ shane hagadorn as the hellians (i think ernie osiris is also a member)...& (c) lawrence is not here...he was an awesome panelist...he seemed 2 have knowledge of stuff w/o sounding like a brainiac &/or whatever...

[RandomMindz]

I really love Takashi Morishima vs. Nigel McGuinness for the ROH world title. THAT'S a brawl match!

[MrJamesisawsome]

@WrestlingRoundtable the way I see it now kinda looks like marufuji in some ways is misawa, kenta is kawada, and go shiozaki is sort of like kobashi

[ShaolinDynasty]

Japanese wrestling is the best wrestling in the world...and is still doing a great job, and haven't missed a beat.

[TheManiacOnWheelsUSA]

I saw the Hogan/Hansen match here on YouTube a few videos before watching this one. Both this, and the Hogan/Hansen match were in my recommendations.

[jerzeefranky3475]

i have heard that big japan has toned down the ultra-violent "shit" in its newest incarnation...& 2wards the end of its existence as "'fmw'/'wew'"...fmw was trying 2 tone their version of it...& emphasizing more 2wards "sports-entertainment"/"wwe-es­que" stuff...



[jerzeefranky3475]

does any1 have anything 2 say about akebonos &/or ryoto hamas recent success in pro wrestling/puroresu...w/ akebono having tag & 6-man titles in ajpw & dg...& hama being (as of then recent pwi) ajpw triple crown titlehoder...?!?!?...

[sxd]

On the subject of shitty FMW wrestlers, what the hell is the deal with Matsunaga? I mean a lot of their wrestlers could actually wrestle a match that wasn't a barbed wire explosive death match or whatever, but I don't think I have EVER seen a Mastunaga match that doesn't end with him taking some sort of preposterous bump. I couldn't tell you what wrestling moves he even does. After the "holy shit" factor of a bloodied wrestler getting dunked into a pirahna tank wears off, there's nothing there.

[kforcer]

The UWF and all its diaspora was awesome. Are awesome.

Even if you don't like shoot-style, you have to respect their skills if you think grappling is a worthwhile art at all. Volk Han, Kiyoshi Tamura, Masakatsu Funaki, Minoru Suzuki, Sakuraba...Yoshiaki Fujiwara....Minoru Tanaka...Shoichi Funaki....Tsuyoshi Khosaka...those men put on beautiful matches and showcased oft-times innovative techniques.

And they held back more on their submissions than some seem to think.

[kevinisWAVYDC]

Im suprised no one mention Hayabusa

or Shinzaki .

[buffbeenstuffed]

a great match from japan which i watched , Jushin thunder liger vs the great muta , that match has drama , story telling and man did muta heel it up it felt like a real fight at times , as a viewer how could you not root for liger in that match? and the fact that is two of japan's biggest names who had crossover success overseas makes it even more interesting

[MrPerfect2000Z]

Great Austin impression Eric!

[jerzeefranky3475]

hogan "goin' hardcore" in japan would/should/could be (kinda) likened 2 american/western tv/movie stars doing ads/commercials in japan/asia that they rarely-if-EVER acknowledge(d) in ANY way/form/shape!!!!!...

[jerzeefranky3475]

i thought it was/is "tenkoji" (tenzan & kojima)...& not tenzan & chono ("tencho"/"choten"[?!?!?!?])..­.maybe i missed something since the "pwi 500" bios of tenzan/chono/kojima...plz help me if im mistaken!!!(?)...

[jerzeefranky3475]

i ALWAYS thought "kaientai-era" funaki & TAKA michinoku wouldve/shouldve/couldve ruled if used right in wwf/wwecw...i STILL hope they sign w/ tna &/or roh & dominate the x division & or tag division(s)...maybe the first-ever tna "X-division" tag champs,perhaps!?!?!?!?!?!?

[bigpoppachuck]

i remember i did a research paper on puroresu back in '03 when i was in high school...got an A minus haha

[jerzeefranky3475]

i meant 2 say "the j-crown"/octuple-crown" title(s)...the "j-cup was/is something COMPLETELY different...lighter-weightesqu­e-wise!!!!!

[jerzeefranky3475]

the wwf light heavyweight title was a part of the (original)"j-cup" (the 9 lighter-weight titles ultimo dragon held when he joined wcw back in 1995/96...maybe 8 titles b4 he beat malenko 4 the wcw cruiser title)...i think that was/is the name(s) of the collective of titles?!?!?!...it was the MAIN singles title of the short-lived wwf/sws(super world sports) in the early 90s...that i know of,though?!?!?!?

[linesinaconversation]

Really surprised that no one mentioned, even in the comments, the late Shinya Hashimoto. I'm not very knowledgeable about puro, but I had thought Hashimoto was one the all-time greats.

[Mistertbones]

Correction. Hogan vs. Hansen was in 1990 after Hogan lost the title to Warrior.

[slezy108]

where do you guys think Big Van Vader was at his best it certinly wasnt wwe im stuck between japan wrestling and wcw

[Humpzilla21]

Why didn't you guys touch upon the Yakuza? They were huge, and still are, in the sports word. Especially in Pride back in the day

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Because I like having all my fingers attached to my hand, thank you very much ;) ha, really, what is there to say? They have their hands in every wrestling promotion there seemingly without fail and it usually doesn't come to light until after the company goes under (Pride, as you mentioned, FMW, etc.) Of course, YOU can go in to detail about it all you want, heh, but I just really feel there's not much to say about it actually

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[KreatorOfEvile]

@WrestlingRoundtable I thought it was said, "Pro Wres"...

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@KreatorOfEvile You are indeed correct. The correct pronunciation is essentially pro-wres. The u's in puroresu are silent. :)

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@DanielTalksPuroresu Thank you for the input!

--E, Wrestling Roundtable

[TheXYZcrash]

@WrestlingRoundtable By that "AJPW group" did you mean Kawada, Misawa, Kobashi, Akiyama and Taue, or was it other wrestlers aswell? Plus what did you think of Chono, Mutoh and Hashimoto's group?

What are your opinions on Takayama and Kensuke Sasaki?

[TheXYZcrash]

@WrestlingRoundtable u talk about Inoki participating in shoot fights, i remember a match where he was told by Karl Gotch to use a real submission on Bruno Sammartino, and EPIC FAIL, Sammartino powers out and beats down Inoki, practically scared Inoki enough to make him duck Sammartino the rest of that match.

[panther2552]

just saw the ending of this with the lil discussion about why pro wrestlers went into MMA. you have to remember atleast with UFWi and several in New Japan they were taught in Catch-Can wrestling style(same style stu hart taught) it is a real form of submission fighting. And as you mentioned at the beginning of the show Japan was a warrior culture. Takeda wanted to prove pro wrestlers as being legitimate athletes. proof came with Sakuraba the "IQ wrestler" aka The Gracie Hunter.

[panther2552]

great show guys. glad yall gave a lil mention to UWFi. my fav Japanese wrestlers were Muta and Sakuraba,(became a huge fan after watching his MMA) was curious if anyone knew if Muta and Sakuraba ever wrestled one another and if there's a link to that matche anywhere?

[TheGreatLyger]

I don't think that bout was ever given to the world, but it is very refreshing to hear someone mention the wrestlers who helped MMA.

[panther2552]

aye, it would be hard for anyone to argue that they haven't helped support MMA. specially when in Sakuraba's case he was considered the best fighter in the world during his prime and is considered by many, inlcuding greats like Militech, Fedor, and Bas Rutten, to be the greatest MMA fighter of all time.

[Humpzilla21]

Such a great discussion. I feel like i'm in history class

[wwetnasux]

Any chance on doing a vid on Joshi?

[RPenta]

I agree, Jackie Sato, Monster Ripper, the Crush Gals, Akira Hokuto, Aja Kong, Manami Toyota, The Bomb Angels, Shinobu Kandori, Jaguar Yokota, and naturally Bull Nakano.

[DoubleCrossKing]

Hokuto vs Kandori

AJW Dreamslam I

probably my favorite match ever

i shit you not

[RPenta]

What you don't think "Bella vs. Bella" can outperform that ?

Maybe with a gun the Bellas have a chance of beating either or those two women; since Kandori was a legit judo black belt and champion--Brie and Nikki would find out the meaning of the old wrestling expression--to get stretched. It warms my heart to think of them (or Kelly, Maria, etc) receive the devastating Northern Lights Bomb from Uno-Chan.

Double Cross King: do not forget the brutal chain match between Kandori and Bull Nakano.

[DoubleCrossKing]

Oh my God, I HAVE SEEN THAT MATCH

That fuckin' ruled.

Kandori looked dead, and Nakano wasn't much better.

Don't Forget the incredibly emotional Aja Kong vs. Akira Hokuto from some tournament finals (don't remember exactly where or when)

[skinwalkerxxx]

Muta and Taker reminds me of one another in that they are old, the same gimmick and are boring as Hell.

[stesfilms]

koji kanemoto

[LRM23936]

I honestly did not know that much about Puroesu but now you have given me incentive to do some research and learn more about it. Thank you.

[SexxyMessiah]

Bo such thing as a tiger bomb. Tiger Bomb is a bad translation of TIGER DRIVER

[GrapplingKings]

I suggest everybody watch the Hogan vs. Muta match from 93. Just imagine if he wrestled that style against Bret back then?? It would've been nuts and ALOT better than Lex and Yoko.

-Rodney, WrestlingRoundtable

[MrWrestlingman85]

I agree, Hogan and Muta from 93 is a good match.

[Sweetguy9009]

Rodney, anything is better than Lex and Yoko in 1993 anyway. Luger an okay worker. Yoko a great worker but you put them together. They didn't have the same chemistry Yoko had with Taker or Bret.

[Bingle99]

Regarding this series wrestling fans all over the world have but one thing to say

THIS IS AWESOME!!!

*CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

[arandompirate]

Cool story bros.

[scipio2009]

No love for New Japan?

Since about 2007, NJPW has been putting on some spectacular stuff, in my opinion.

And with young stars like Tanahashi, Shinsuke Nakamura, Hiroki Goto and others on top, after the effort was actually put in to elevate these guys, the future is looking even better for New Japan.

Don't sleep on the "King of Sport"; their coming back pretty strong, not yet 100,000 paid at the Tokyo Dome strong, but still strong nonetheless.

[AnthraxMosher]

did you guys ever think that jbl/brashaw was a cheap rop off of Stan Hansan??

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Naturally, heh, that was the obvious intention I think. Man was Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw fuckin lame. I wish I could see Hansen stiff the shit out of that bitch.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[AnthraxMosher]

maybe even pop out his eye, lol... Now that was a interesting japanese match Stan Hansan vs Vader

[lettersfromaboy]

Hey guys, may I give some suggestion for upcoming shows. What about talking about who had the greatest charisma/mic skills. In my opinion, the greatest wrestler to ever grace the mic was Nick Bockwinkel. He is the only wrestler, to my knowledge, who spoke using the "big" words. And his charisma spoke volumes, like his eloquent promos. What do you think?

[clipsryan]

Hey Eric, thanks for understanding my last comment, though I never ment any insult, I just have more respect for this art form for it to be misunderstood and treated as just "fake" human cock fighting. I can't wait for the hardcore wrestling talk. I've always loved hardcore wrestling and I'm sure New Jack will be added to the talk.

[TheWrestlingLantern]

You know it's easy (ish ) to do rants like so many others do on youtube about why WCW were put out of business, but to discuss the art of wrestling and also another culture with respect is brilliant. I say this as someone who doesn't follow Puroresu. This is the finest video yet in my humble opinion.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Of course it's easy to get a $40 walmart webcam and dribble on a like a 40-year virgin in front of your wrestling DVDs(like it fuckin matters how many stars you think the opening of whatever show it is you're 'reviewing' is), but like you pointed out, we aspire to more than that, heh. Thanks very much for enjoying the show even if Puro isn't your cup of tea. Glad the hard work put into the show before & after is appreciated

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[antsman88]

@TheWrestlingLantern HUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PaidYouOff]

My issue with fans of Puro is the same issue I have with any "die hard" fan of anything.

I'm not a fan of any ONE kind of music, I'm a fan of MUSIC. Music I like and the art of music. It frustrates me when so called "fans" chain themselves inherently to Puroresu.

"I love Puroresu!", like there's no shit puro. Just say "I like the Puro that I enjoy.".

Great show guys, again. Thoroughly enjoy it.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Exactly ; which is why I wanted to point out the different directions Puro has taken with ultra violent, lucha, comedy, etc. leanings, aside from the 'strong style' people primarily associate with Puro.

Thanks very much!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[logan48227]

Another brilliant video.

One of the main things that I always like about your shows is the amount of research that Eric seems to put into whatever subject it is that you end up discussing.

A great moderator be very well educated on the topic, and Eric always comes across as being very well educated in every show. Yet another "5 Star Classic", guys! Great show!

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Well thanks very much for the compliments! For a subject like this especially, I try to lay a good groundwork as a foundation to go forward on. It seems everyone really appreciates it and enjoys it, so I'm glad the preparation is paying off! I happen to do a lot of reading on Japanese history as it is anyway, so that went a long way in helping for this show, but I did a shitload of research for this show, heh. We all did, I think, but gotta captain the ship! Thanks a lot

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[Imhim247]

awesome video,I'm favorite this now.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[imstr8ill]

you guys are the shit!!!

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks, heh

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[MegaRed124x]

I like puro but I don't follow it religiously. Although I would love to see some things puro does be done in feds like the WWE. The ring, time limits, streamers, etc. It'd all be great to make American wrestling "real" without making it MMA. It could be something the WWE could use without detracting from their "family entertainment" angle that they take pride in. But that's not what Vince wants, so it won't happen.

AND HOLY CRAP. HOW DID YOU GET KENTA!?!?

[roh1234]

Great video, my japanese wrestling knowledge is limited, so again my mind has been broadened. What do you think of bryan danielson signing with wwe?

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot. I think, 'good for him, bad for ROH' and I wish him luck!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[roh1234]

I wonder if wwe will try to sign you? lol, with that 'awesome' idea at how to get Danielson over.

[GeorgeStanleyTV]

Also I favor Puroresu more than American wrestling, for the simple fact that American wrestling nowadays are too much about entertainment and money. Japanese wrestling is way more competitive and dedicated to the sport while at the same time entertaining the fans. I just think that the major American wrestling companies sometimes put too much in a story, superstar, and rivalry and these things tend to be repetitive.

[GeorgeStanleyTV]

KENTA is fukkin amazing. He's definitely my fave japanese wrestler. I also like Misawa. He's Tiger suplexs are sick.

[Frank15982]

Favorites: Muta,Michinoku, KENTA, Misawa, Ultimo Dragon, Liger, Tiger Mask (the original), he who must not be mentioned.... and Dynamite Kid.

[girthanthraclops]

What do you think of Taka Michinoku? I think he is one of the most underrated wrestlers of alltime.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

I think he was very good! Again, 'underrated' should not be confused with 'underutilized' Taka, I think, most would admit was a good wrestler, but obviously wasn't used in WWF much beyond the spring of 98

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[ebbowman]

Misawa vs. Kawada is what made me a puroresu fan. I started buying tapes right after seeing them wrestle for the triple crown. To me that rivalry was like the Japanese equivalent of the Flair vs. Steamboat matches.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I loved the Kawada/Misawa matches from the 90s, and the Flair/Steamboat comparison is perfect!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[OneOfThe3WiseMen]

Stop it at 00:02

LOL 

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[gforcev2]

Good show WR: Got Some Questions Guys

1) Why don't you's talk about Japanese Female Wrestling ?

2) What Japanese Productions you think so far

3) What you think about Japanese Wrestlers(like Masahiro Chono, Akira Raijin & Naofumi Yamamoto) Signing 4 Big American like WWE, ECW, WCW & TNA ?

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot. 1. I intended to, but we ran out of time. We did touch upon it briefly in our talk on Women In Wrestling with Daizee Haze 2. huh? 3. American promotions aren't particularly interested in any of those guys for numerous reasons, and I'm sure(as dumb as this sounds) the language barrier is a big one, but style differences, Visas, "marketability"(which means they think Americans won't get in to the them, stupid& prejudiced as that also sounds), etc.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[RPenta]

A subject for a future roundtable: Jackie Sato, The Bomb Angels, The Crush Gals, Monster Ripper, Aja Kong, Kyoko Inoue, Akira Hokuto, Jaguar Yokota (maybe the greatest woman wrestler ever--and that says a HELL of a lot) and of courses, Bull Nakano.

[reh629]

i am not ashame to say i have a massive man crush on KENTA. the dude is straight awesome.

[flameingblack]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. And hearing all the female fans yell "KENTAAAA" during his matches is just golden.

[OmnionicSalvation]

It's either KENTA or Tanahashi, but we all have a man-crush on at least one of them.

[wwetna100]

Yoshi Tatsu FTW!

[diamondman420]

One thing about Puroresu I have to say, is that while the guys are amazing to watch, especially the ones who had successful runs on both sides of the Pacific like Muta, Chono, Liger, Tiger Mask, I don't put the great Japanese workers on the same level as the Americans because the Japanese work stiff. There's no point to working stiff because its not working when you legitimately hurt the other guy. Make me believe without trying to convince the guy your working with.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Understood. I'm not a big fan of 'strong style' either, but some of the guys - like the ones you mentioned - are great wrestlers no matter how you slice it

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[diamondman420]

I think the guys I mentioned for the most part the exceptions to the rule. Muta was a Hiro Matsuda trainee so he basically learned to pull his punches like an American, Liger had runs in Stampede where he learned the same, Chono was a Thesz trainee, etc etc. The late Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, those guys are all great at what they do, but I'd rate them higher if they didn't have to strike the guys in shoot/strong style to work. That's all.

[jb0609]

Chono is awesome

[icomf1]

Muta, Misawa, Kobayashi, and the original Kaientai.

But, no mentions of Onita?!?!  I hope he at least gets a call out on best hardcore wrestlers!

[TheWrestlingLantern]

I was blessed enough to see Kenta Kobashi live. He has real presents, I mean intense doesn't cover it. Now some will roll their eyes and point out his flaws but every wreslter has those. And his chops are a thing to behold live. Not a fan of the uber strong style but I respect their work. Great to broaden your horizons. I really enjoyed this debate and discussion. Thanks guys

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot for enjoying the show & adding to the discussion. Where/when did you see Kobashi live?

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[TheWrestlingLantern]

England a few years ago maybe 4, he wrestled a tag match against Doug WIlliams, I think I have sent you a column about it called holding up the guard rail. Please let me know if I have not sent it yet. Kobashi made Doug's chest bleed and I mean bleed through chops, so intense. It was a great event in the Coventry sky dome called (don't quote me) universal uprising with Dee and Low Ki and Foley was there too. Not enough space to go on in detail lol. Later mate.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

I don't recall getting that column, but send it again and we'll print it in the guest column section of our website! I had the pleasure of seeing Kobashi at, as you could have guessed, the Samoa Joe Vs. Kenta Kobashi match ROH put on. I'll never forget that day! Doug Williams is pretty awesome too, heh. Thanks for sharing!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[Sweetguy9009]

Probably my favorite match of all time not the best but my favorite japanese match was an interpromotional North American/Japanese match. Sting representing WCW and The Great Muta from Japan. It might right before or after somebody correct me on this Sting defeated Flair for The WCW Title in 1990 and I think it was the first time I ever saw Muta wrestle; the first time I ever saw somebody spit mist in someone's eyes. Sting goes for the Stinger Splash. Muta spits him in the eyes for the cover.

[KingOfKings111]

The Stenier Brothers owned Japan in the late 80's

[WrestlingRoundtable]

The pwned the shit out of Hiro Hase, that's for sure, ha. I was watching a tag match they had in Japan against Vader and maybe Bigelow, holy fuck! Scott frankensteinered Vader! Amazing

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[ThrashAD720]

@KingOfKings111 Actually they owned Japan in the Early 90's

[miggy25]

I've loved Japanese wrestling since I was little....the respect factor it garners over there is great to watch....Liger, Dragon and Tiger Mask III put on some great matches in the early/mid 90's

[DarkPascual]

Great show guys. Really top notch.

Can we wait for a Lucha Libre related show sometime?

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot!

If we could find a panel of people knowledgeable in Lucha history/wrestlers, absolutely, but unfortunately that's not going to be as easy as Puro. I'd do it the moment we had the chance, but it doesn't look likely

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[WickedNemesis]

Greatest Japanese wrestler is Ultimo. Love Muta, but Dragon, come on how many Heavyweight titles for this guy? Stan Hansen, does he count? Bad mother f@cker

[clipsryan]

I loved Ultimo and Muta's matches. True athletes. Stan was a beast and his match with Hogan showed hogan's unused talent.

[gordowsky]

great austin impresion

[WrestlingRoundtable]

ha, thanks

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[BigDaddy0207]

I love Japanese wrestling. From Muta and Liger to the new guys. I love watching American wrestling but watching another countries styles just intrigues me. So different different respect. And I love it thanks for doing this.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks a lot for watching it, enjoying it & commenting! I'm the same way ; other styles intrigues me as well

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[Thewrestlingking4123]

another great show

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thank you!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[VampkillerXXX]

Stan fkn Hansen!!! He was always my fav when I was a kid but when I saw his stuff from Japan...holy shit

[Mr1700]

keas not good? what?! Chono isn't even that active by the way.

[clipsryan]

It's amazing, not really, how wwe tna fans see a wrestler do a move and they go "wow what an original move" and love them for that but don't realize that most of those moves were done by japanese wrestlers. Still, the credit it given to the american wrestlers.

[fallenrosepetal]

Your point? To them it is an original move, and most of them have no reason to think that someone else invented it. So they have no reason to explore to see if it existed before hand.

[clipsryan]

The fact that most fans don't care about the history of wrestling and at the same time they call themselvs wrestling fans. I get sick of unoriginality getting praise that's my point!

[fallenrosepetal]

There is a difference between not caring, and simply not knowing. Again some may not have the ability to access the history of a whole worlds worth of pro wrestling to find out that the RKO isn't an original move, or the GTS isn't an original move.

[clipsryan]

Yeah no ability, Internet, wrestling books, dvds, being a fan, ect. Not caring to know is a possiblity. I'm just saying, don't call yourself a fan, when all you wanna see is Cena's pussy ass "FU".

[WrestlingRoundtable]

I understand both points ; fallenrosepetal is right that not all people may have the ability to access said information, but clipsryan is also right that most fans are too complacent in accepting whatever's fed to them instead of researching for themselves. Curiosity is a good thing! It's a shame more don't have it.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[7TelMVP]

Eric: "You don't test that s***; you just do it!" LOL And Kenta is also my favorite Puroresu wrestler!

[instantclassicg1]

I think Davey Richards is the best japanese style wrestler in the us

[familyphotoshoot]

puroresu is god tier.

if you're going to do a simluated/theatrical/whatever-­the-fuck-you-want-to-call-it combat sport, at least try to make it look like legitimate athletic competition.

[familyphotoshoot]

plus japanese pro wrestling produced kazushi sakuraba, probably my favorite MMA fighter of all time.

[mhc12k]

i've been trying to tell dumb asses this rhe past few years, well said

[ESWEfounder]

I've never watched Puroresu. I have seen a few of the wrestlers on ROH dvd's and YouTube. I do love the rings some of the federations have with those really cool turnbuckles.

[80swrestling]

WB!

5 Stars!

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Thanks!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[ICEGOD2]

I always liked the Great Saskue.

[docdoom187]

Great Sasuke has been one of my most favorite wrestlers. he has a great move set.

[fentito]

My favorite Stan Hanson tidbit. The reason he was so stiff in the ring was because his eye sight was terrible. He couldn't pull his punches if he tried.

[docdoom187]

i wonder why stan hansen never considered wearing contact lenses?

[sethikins57]

does no one like hayabusa? he was basically carrying fmw until he completely jacked his neck.

[DarkPascual]

Hayabusa is the man!!!

IMO, probably one of the most overlooked Puro legends.

The Phoenix will rise once more!!!

[WrestlingRoundtable]

I never got Hayabusa. He was decent with a good look, but very sloppy. I think him breaking his neck was terrible and I hate to watch it, but seeing how he came close a few times before it couldn't be surprising. That doesn't make it any less terrible, but I guess I just not got into him.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[sethikins57]

understandable. i just thought that maybe he was worth noting when it comes to japanese pro wrestling because of the impact he had. but he was kinda sloppy, but a good many high spot guys tend to be.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Perhaps, and you're absolutely right - I'm glad you pointed him out because I'd hope the viewers of the show add their two cents to fill the gaps we missed.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[pnava123456789]

Why isn't there a good book about Puroresu?

[WrestlingRoundtable]

Maybe there is in Japan where more than maybe 1,000 people will read it? heh

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[pnava123456789]

Yea, that is a good point.

[BENSON018]

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