@TheAdarkon yes there was, the 400 cards were suppose to be called the 300 series, but shortly after they came out with a lower end series of cards for mainstream users, and they didn't want them to be called the 400 cards, because people would think they are better than the 300 cards, but they wouldn't be, so instead they changed the series name to 400, and released the mainstream cards as the 300 series.
No, that's not what happened. The entire 300 series is OEM, which means you can only get those cards by buying a pre-built system, and you can't buy the cards on their own, and they are just re-branded 200 series cards. This is the same situation as with the 100 series, which were re-branded 9000 series cards released only to OEM.
@TheAdarkon hmm, okay, yeah I had heard that too, but forgot about it, lol, I also heard about what I mentioned, so posted that, but really I think it was a bit of both, because the 300 series cards aren't as powerful as the 400 series. if what you were saying was 100% true, then the 300 cards would be as powerful as the 400 series cards, BUT ONLY for prebuilt systems, but they aren't.
@TheAdarkon 5970 is better than nvidia's whole line still wtf is everyone talking about its like the radeon 9800 pro at its time was just the shit just deal nvidia we got a better card for lets money
@Skeptik247 you don't seem to be in the loop, since the making of this video they changed the name of the 300 series, to the 400 series, and then created a lower end series of cards, called the 300 series, doesn't seem you know that tho, otherwise you would have referenced the new name of the card.
@1981z28camaro I know that, I was just laughing that you thought that speculated and then unpublished 300 series mainstream (60 at the end) card will perform better than still the best GF ^^ You should watch "Hilter's reaction on GTX480" - it pretty much says the truth about it's failure...
Nvidia sucks with their ancient technology lock the the chip size and power drain, it gets beat down by the 5XXX series any time. You must be a dumb one to pay so much for a video card like that does nothing and its ages behind Ati. Long gone the good Nvidia time before the 8800, nvidia is way back with there tech and performance. Ati will not make new card to compete with this because they already beat the hell out of it, so why bother. And im not an ati fan as i have nvidia VC im just real.
@optmius99 lol their technology isn't ancient, in what regards?
their cards do pretty good actually, I got a GTX 260, in a single GPU configuration, and I can max any game out, and play it in 3D (with the exception of crysis, which looks shitty in 3D anyways) and they run perfectly fine.
and not evrey one needs 3D vision like me i have more need for eyefinity then 3D vision granted cuda is nice ati offers an accapteble alternitive for the prize for me
i have owned both ati and nvidia but this round i am going ati just for the more performace for the money sake and not willing toget a better psu either
the card is good but its not that good if it was that good ati would have dropped there prices like a brick but they diddent
@ikukelas lol, well of course not everyone needs 3D vision, but not everyone needs Eyefinity either..
you can get an ATI card for your own reasons, and I will get an Nvidia card for my own reasons, but I do highly recommend 3D Vision, and think you should at least try it before you pass judgement.
with Eyefinity I don't need to try it, I can see the results by watching a video, BUT you can't just see a video of 3D Vision, you have to try it in realtime to know what it's REALLY like.
@ikukelas GTS 450 owns 5770. GTX 470 owns 5870. GTX 480 is better than 5970 at dx11 and its only a single gpu! Dude 5970 is a dual gpu so its not fair, wait till the gtx 495 is released. Dude your a idiot, nvidia is cheaper than ati. theres a 200 dollar gap between 480 and 5970.
@ikukelas I'm just saying you can't say AMD is better, because they aren't really, not when you take into consideration everything Nvidia offers, if AMD suits your needs better then fine, go with AMD, there's nothing wrong with AMD, they make great products too, that doesn't mean they are better tho.
also, most games support 3D anyways, the game doesn't have to be made to support 3D, it's because it all happens with the GPU, and rendering two perspectives.
Actually... ATI was so unimpressed by the new Nvidia cards that they didn't even bother to lower the prices of their current cards (which is a bad thing for us) or announce any plans for a new card to compete with the 480. Nvidia's new cards are absolutely useless at bringing competition to the market, not only because of their bad thermals/noise/consumption/price, but especially because of their low availability (no matter how good they would have been).
@1981z28camaro First of all I said low availability instead of no availability. And if you think you're going to prove that the 4x0 cards have good availability just with an anecdotal example from a store which may or may not have the card on stock, you're the one sniffing glue. There are only a few HUNDRED cards allocated for the whole of Europe (US might get more, but still very limited). If you're not a actually a deluded fanboy, search google for GTX 4x0 availability and you'll see
@isandu84 lol your right I am a fanboy, ATI's cards are just pure crap really, they don't have much that I want, or much that anyone would want really.
@1981z28camaro I have two PCs in my house, one with a HD 4850 (my first ATI card) and one with a GTS 250. There are things I like and things I hate about both, neither card is perfect.
"ATI's cards are just pure crap really, they don't have much that I want, or much that anyone would want really."
Well, most people want good performance at a decent price, and current ATI cards have that.
Personally, I slightly prefer Nvidia, but Fermi is a disappointment
@isandu84 your right I'm a deluded fanboy, I like Nvidia for no reason at all, only the fact that their cards let me play in 3D with 3 monitors, but that's no reason to like Nvidia,. I mean why don't I like AMD? because having less features makes more sense right? yeah your right, actually, fuck the less features the better, I can't wait for a card made of silicon and dog shit that just sits there and does nothing.
lol hitler would actually laugh his ass of is this would happen these new cards have some issues they get 90 C on load and 63 on idle and cost around 150 USD more xD
@1981z28camaro: it actually gets up to 93C in load, there's an article on HardOCP, BenchmarkReviews, and 96C on Geeks3D, or just do a google search. 300W need to be cooled somehow right and that brings noise, 60dB is just too much. So i disagree with your video, there is no GTX360, there's GTX480 and is just 10% better than 5870 which cost less, is quiet, no hot at all. Watt per watt performance, ATI is in the lead GTX480 consumes the same as 5970, but offers more performance.
@cannon8800 Give me a brake , Ati has the crown now as Nvidia used to with its 8800 series. Normally , if u were working for nvidia , i would've told you that you also need to learn to lose in life but as you don't , you'd probably be better lookin for the best price/performance ratio you can afford , either it be green or red. By the way , i'm not a FANBOY , i'm actually against fanboys, i've always switched between these two giants. Oh , and btw , at the moment i'm using a 8800 gt.
@lupuradu I didn't call you a fanboy, I have an 8800 gt, nvidia is still better but you would obviously have to pay a lot more just for bragging rights. A person doesn't lose at life because they are working for nvidia. I choose to go green all the way. Dont care about the prices.
@cannon8800 bring arguments! why would nvidia be better , at least at the moment? Oh , and btw , that's not what i meant about losing in life.
Going green is also a choice of yours but if u'll allow me , it's a bit wrong. If ATI brings a better product (which in fact did) u just don't care , u're all for the name seen in Device Manager , or for the green box or that stupid sticker glued to the case? Congrats nvidia , you can now sell even barbeque as nvidia technology , this guy buys it all!
@lupuradu ATI brought a lot of new tech to their video cards that didnt need to be there because a lot of the games back then didnt use them or implement them. Now it's actually the right time for them to unleash all their fancy tech since now dx 11 will use a lot of the tech current gen gpu's use. And besides just because ATI has outsold Nvidia, that doesnt mean that nvidia is a bad company. I can tell you hands down that nvidia gpu's have beaten more ATI video cards since day one.
@adrienspawn QQ more. Did you just honestly say QQ? Sigh, theres really no need to "QQ" more because ATI makes better cards for the money right now. I had a Nvidia 9800GT but ATI just makes better cards(for right now), so i don't see how that makes me a fanboy. Plus by saying what you did that just makes you look like a fanboy.
@Smimley 30$ to me is worth it to actually be able to play the games without problems, and then maybe encode a few videos, process tasks by GPGPU and add a little Physics and 3D effects in there. Not to mention better customer service. But hey if money is really that tight and you don't have a choice, get a netbook. You spend 60$ for every game you buy, you shouldnt skip on the thing that renders them all.
@adrienspawn I've never had any problems with ATI and a lot of people probably haven't either. Some people probably get problems with Nvidia about the same. I don't see how a Netbook fits in? Were talking about price vs performance. Netbook is cheap but there is no performance, and games I usually don't pay for those.
The Nvidia 3D vision glasses are such a joke, the shutter glasses give massive headaches and the cost of buying the glasses + the monitor is overpriced. I was so happy about 3D gaming, i tryed the glasses they did look awesome but the shutter thing is a primitive form of 3D because of the whole shutter thing. The real solution to the problem is having 3D glasses with high resolution screens in them.
Also with the whole Ati eyefinity and Nvidia multiple monitor setup, what a fucking joke for gaming. The boarders of the monitors is like having bars of dead pixles
what are you on? the glasses don't give you massive headaches, like 3 people said that, and wrote a fucking review, and now you think it's that way for everyone, I don't get headaches with 3D Vision...am I just special?
and the monitor is NOT overpriced, your talking about a 120 Hz monitor, so it serves a purpose beyond 3D Gaming alone, and $350, big deal, that's not that expensive, there's monitors that are NOT 120 hz 3D rready with the same specs for more.
@1981z28camaro what the fuck are you talking about, i was so psyched to get the 3D glasses way before they even came out, I went to frys to try them out when they had them on display. they did really shock me when i put them on, it looked really awesome. I was standing there for like 20 minutes and started to get like migraine headaches, also you can see the shutters close sometimes its really bad after taking them off i felt like i was spun in a chair for a couple of seconds before it went away
and the Shutter Glasses are not primitive, in fact they are the closest thing to the real deal of how we actually observe reality.
By rendering two different perspectives simultaneously, your doing what your brain naturally does anyways when it receives two separate perspectives simultaneously, and combines them to give you Depth Perception.
@1981z28camaro Shutter glasses are though, the closest thing to the real deal is having the glasses with displays on them not with some stupid shutters. your eye stays open all the time thats where these shutter glasses fail big time. Everything in your peripheral vision isn't moving etc so its not immsersive as real 3D goggles would be. I would gladly spend my money on the technology if it worked properly.
@ArielCaboob lol, well you have to somehow trick your brain into seeing depth, you can't have something displayed on a screen to have depth, without some sort of trickery, unless you can fit a real weapon into those 3D goggles, then maybe, lol
and that stupid headtracker nonesense is bullshit, all your doing is moving around a 2D object, incase you were going to mention that one.
SO FAR, yes in my opinion the shutter glasses are the most realistic way to do it.
@1981z28camaro like i said 3D goggles with displays in them, go look at the "i-glasses Video 3D Pro" that's a way better solution to 3D. "By rendering two different perspectives simultaneously" one for each eye 100%. The only problem is that they arent mainstream yet. plus with these things you can use them anywhere imagine have a 3D capable device (umpc) you can use these on the go, watch 3d porn and no one would ever know. way better to the old school lcd + glasses bs
@ArielCaboob lol, well I wouldn't be THAT naive, remember... peoples definition of what should be called 3D varies from person to person, those glasses may be called "3D" because an image is projected infront of you inside them, but that doesn't mean it can actually let you perceive depth in what your viewing.
like I said, you can't just show your eyes something and make it 3D, unless you either filter 2 separate perspectives through each eye.
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
Fucking funny! ASUS HD 5870, core 2 6700, asus commando mb, 8 gigs ddr2 800, xfi exreme gamer, antec 900. samsung spinpoint 1 tb. Ps my HD 5870 is rather nice heheh.
lol I could care less how well the ATI cards perform, they could get 9000 fps on any game set at 900AA, and 900AF, at a resolution of 9809X9000, and I still wouldn't give a fuck, performance isn't everything. You eye can only see so much.
at least when the GTX 480 comes out, I'll get decent performance, 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround.
how bout some fucking immersion? why not 3D, AND 3 monitors, why settle for just 3 monitors?
performance and eye-candy is everything...... except if you buy a 600$ card for fuda and pissX....... and something else... lets get a look how much they cost 3 monitors@200Hz for the 3D shit....
lol, well I don't buy it for Physx or Cuda, PS: I know you think Physx cards are a joke, I know you CAN do physics just fine with ATI cards, BUT it just helps take stress off your GPU to do other things.
and I buy Nvidia cards for 3D Vision, which IS worth it, just try it yourself, and you'll agree, and no it's not 200 hz monitors, it's 120 Hz monitors.
and they aren't all that more expensive anyways really.
Is as hot and as the previous series, which was cold, it has better drivers, and can be overclocked. Big win for Nvidia this round. Round two 6 series vs GTX5XX!
I could care less how well the GTX 480 performs, people need to realize that your brain can only process so many fps, and then beyond that anything more is pointless, and start focusing on other things that increase the immersiveness of the gaming experience, such as having 3D Vision with 3 Monitors, and whatnot.
well of course, it's time to upgrade, but ask yourself if you want performance, or do you want maybe slightly less performance, but a few extra features...
this is why 3D Vision has not gained the popularity that it deserves, everyone thinks that playing with 3 monitors suddenly makes the game have depth, NO, it doesn't, sure it adds peripheral vision to your gaming, but NOT depth.
creating depth is a process which involves filtering two slightly different perspectives through each eye, which are then combined inside the brain to create depth.
it's youre eyes that put the limit to fps, and depending on how good they are. usually a person can see over 60 fps. fighter pilots have a test for this to see how many fps they can see
how would a survival situation make you see more fps? the brain and eye can usally see 60+ fps, if you compared 120 fps Against 60 fps i promise you that you will see a difference.
why do you think they make like 200 fps tv's? but the difference isnt that ecxiting so they usally stick too 60 fps on monitors
in a survival situation your brain processes more information, and in turn also increases how many frames each second you see.
watch?v=UmUaZpr6oVc
I know that you CAN notice a difference as far as not seeing "tracers" when you pause a game with 120 Hz monitor, but that doesn't mean our brain is processing the extra frames, it just looks smoother, if our brains were actually processing it at that rate, it would look slow.
200 hz and 200 fps are TWO different things by the way.
and those 200 Hz TV's are a gimmick, because they know people just buy them to brag "I got a 120 hz T.V" ...." Yeah well I got a 200 hz T.V" they know that people are infantile and only look at things such as (HP, Amps, Watts, PSI) - Inches is a pretty popular one too :-)
there may be a difference but it's probably so small that you'd need to analyze it for a year (at least from going from 120 hz to 200 hz that is)
They are counting on peoples Ego to close the deal.
You miss the point. A bench mark is performed to "indicate" a cards capability on games besides the one which actually features in the test. 60fps in one game may translate to roughly 30fps in another.
Anything less than 50fps and you should worry about having a playable frame rate in the other game.
yeah well no shit the 5970 kicks ass, but personally I'm not all about frame rate anyways, when the GTX 480 comes out, I can get great performance, 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround (3 monitors)
Well GF100 was supposed to come out in october if I remember right. And at that point it was the 300 series. Now since it is so delayed, and probably won't be available for purchase until sometime in the summer, I think they just are saying 400 to act like they skipped the 300 series. Its a marketing thing.
I hope this video has been made for laughs. 'cause Nvdias actions for the past month(s) have been ridicilous. Well Nvidia lost the DX11 round, takes forever to build up a card and then they are like: ITS BEST SINGLE CORE GPU IN THE WORLD. OFC its better than 5870 cause theyve had like 5months to develep it, and still cant even publish it. >_>
Let see this card if she can run smoother when running latest heavy games on three monitors at higher setting & higher res..then compared it to ATI's fastest card...
also it's not JUST about frame rate, of course you wanna have good performance, but everyone seems so fixated on it..
why not focus on some other features, sure ATI has Eyefinity, but they don't have a PROPER 3D Solution, the 400 series, will have both, plus DX11, and better performance to boot.
if both companies offered the same features, I'd simply say go with whatever costs the least :-)
People always snap at me when I mention 3D Vision, they call me an "Nvidiot" and 3D Vision is cheesy, then I ask them if they tried it themselves, and they say "No" lol
Anyone thinking about buying the 5870 or 5970 cards from ATI? You better do some research first...Google search "5870 Grey Lines" There are ALOT of people who are having major issues with the ATI cards.I'd stay far away from ATI cards,what good is having the fastest card if it doesn't work? lol @ ATI
ahaha ye, i bought a i7 and i overlocked to 4.0 and i have a 9800gtx+ xD but when 480 comes out! it will be mine! xD and about 5000 series, ye they are cheaper and whit good performance, but ati drivers sucks, and laways whit texture problems and shadown bugs
Btw. ATI enabled 3D gaming with the last driver update and teslation is a DirectX feature...and again, ATI = hardwareteslation, nVidia = softwareteslation...GF100 sucks...
The 3D feature that is on ATI cards that's meant to be used with an IZ3D monitor is not a very good choice, if you want to do it properly.
I have read reviews on the IZ3D Solution, and people have said time and time again that Nvidia's Shutter Glasses solution is much better, less ghosting, and better depth.
also, ATI does not support the use of Crossfire with Stereoscopic 3D enabled, while Nvidia does, and you'll need two cards for it.
Ok maybe NVIDIA could be the better choice for 3D gaming sometimes in the future (2Q 2010 or maybe Q3 ?) but i think that 3D gaming will be something that less then 1% of the users need...and ATI has the hardware, they only need to upgrade the software...
Nvidia has 3D Vision now, but if you want 3D Vision WITH 3 monitors, you would have to wait for the 400 series to be released.
and believe it or not 3D Vision SHOULD appeal to Gamers, and DOES appeal to much more than "less than 1%"
3D Vision is one of the most underrated features in gaming at the present time, it's underrated because you can't see it unless you buy the kit, and so people are bound to make assumptions.
with Eyefinity, I can look it up and see it how it would ACTUALLY look.
honestly, if you were to ACTUALLY try 3D Vision, your idea of how man people would want it, would drastically change, probably from less than 1% to 99%.
all the people that have a negative opinion of 3D Vision have never even tried it, and almost 100% of the people that HAVE tried it, almost always have a positive opinion.
The only people that have a negative opinion, complain about poor depth (not realizing that maybe the issue is THEIR eyes, and not the hardware)
@bluefisch200 The only thing you will get from the ATI 5870/5970 is the infamous "Grey Screen Of Death" Two of my friends bought the 5870 cards....both returned them for GTX 285's. Guess what...the GTX 285's are running sweet ;) ATI SUCKS ASS!
How many persons have that problem...none of my friends...and i also have no problems with my 5850 crossfire system...ATI cards work perfect but it must be hard to be a fanboy of a company with a card like the GTX295...and this card is slower then the single GPU HD5870...come on...
lol, well they're lying, every other benchmark done by other sites shows the 5870 behind the GTX 295, mind you, I still think it's great performance considering it's going up against a dual gpu card.
but it's not faster than the GTX 295
just search for "AMD Radeon HD 5870 and HD 5850 Performance Chart" and click the first link.
yeah, well the 5970 gets better frame rate than the GTX 295, but the 5870 gets about 20 fps more than the GTX 285, ATI does make some powerful cards, but Nvidia will have the edge with the 400 series, and it will have 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround, with DX11, and Tessellation.
I own a HD4890 1GB and a GTX 260 Superclocked 626 Core Clock and honestly my ATI does pull off a better performance when it comes to recording and other things because of the memory but I love my Nvidia card to death. Adds more detail to every game. Brings out something the ATI card doesn't. Even on games that aren't Nvidia Favored like Dirt 2.
Both cards has it's advantages and disadvantages. I mean the Nvidia GTX 260 Superclocked card I own is right there with my ATI 4890 1GB as far as power and pretty much matches it in performance. The memory difference is what hurts my Nvidia against this card but the Nvidia card allows me to edit and transcode videos waaayyy faster and do other things outside of gaming faster. But I think the GTX 260 was made to destroy the ATI 4870 so that could be why I see more performance with the ATI 4890
i read all ur askers and u are absolutly right in all :) nice work and im not a nvidia fan boy, im a quality fanboy and all knows nvidia is quality :)
@1981z28camaro Lol if they can ever get it out, rumors are that it will be limited release end of march, probably be mid summer before anyone can actually buy one.
There are no such cards, but hd 5970 had the porformance crown for more than a year
savagemessiah82 6 months ago
LOL another fat 40 yrs old hiding under his mom's basement making videos about a failed GPU from Nvidia . Get a life dude !
Pro Tip : Lose weight ,and do your research !
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I wonder what will happen when Hittler hears about ASUS Ares? It even beats the 580s
nerbne 1 year ago
There was no GTX 360 you NVIDIA NOOBS
TheAdarkon 1 year ago
@TheAdarkon yes there was, the 400 cards were suppose to be called the 300 series, but shortly after they came out with a lower end series of cards for mainstream users, and they didn't want them to be called the 400 cards, because people would think they are better than the 300 cards, but they wouldn't be, so instead they changed the series name to 400, and released the mainstream cards as the 300 series.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro
No, that's not what happened. The entire 300 series is OEM, which means you can only get those cards by buying a pre-built system, and you can't buy the cards on their own, and they are just re-branded 200 series cards. This is the same situation as with the 100 series, which were re-branded 9000 series cards released only to OEM.
TheAdarkon 1 year ago
@TheAdarkon hmm, okay, yeah I had heard that too, but forgot about it, lol, I also heard about what I mentioned, so posted that, but really I think it was a bit of both, because the 300 series cards aren't as powerful as the 400 series. if what you were saying was 100% true, then the 300 cards would be as powerful as the 400 series cards, BUT ONLY for prebuilt systems, but they aren't.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@TheAdarkon 5970 is better than nvidia's whole line still wtf is everyone talking about its like the radeon 9800 pro at its time was just the shit just deal nvidia we got a better card for lets money
tvaughanx 9 months ago
@tvaughanx The GTX 590 is better than the HD5970... but the HD 6990 is better than all of them.
TheAdarkon 9 months ago
So confusing to listen to what he is really saying and read the fake subtitles at the same time, I really can't do multitasking XD
Th4R 1 year ago
@Th4R yeah it would probably be confusing if you actually speak German, lol
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
GTX360 better than HD5970 XD You wish.
Skeptik247 1 year ago
@Skeptik247 you don't seem to be in the loop, since the making of this video they changed the name of the 300 series, to the 400 series, and then created a lower end series of cards, called the 300 series, doesn't seem you know that tho, otherwise you would have referenced the new name of the card.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro I know that, I was just laughing that you thought that speculated and then unpublished 300 series mainstream (60 at the end) card will perform better than still the best GF ^^ You should watch "Hilter's reaction on GTX480" - it pretty much says the truth about it's failure...
Skeptik247 1 year ago
GTX 480 = FX5700ULTRA
EPIC FAILS
TiranusTX 1 year ago
FUCK OFF ATI
FERMI IS GREAT CARD
ALWAYS TROUBLE INSIDE
razor666mania 1 year ago
fail video gtx360 ahaha
MrGodsHand 1 year ago
ATi>Nvidia
GTX 480 is SLIGHTLY better than the 5870 and is newer than the 5870
480 draws considerably more power, gets hotter and costs more...
soaffb1337 1 year ago 2
@soaffb1337 well the GTX 460 is a pretty nice card, with none of those issues :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@soaffb1337 have you ever owned one?...
thats what i thought
taltigolt 1 year ago
beyond the battle between nvidia and ati, i like this video, its funny,
gaga1298 1 year ago
@gaga1298 thanks :-) lol
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
Nvidia sucks with their ancient technology lock the the chip size and power drain, it gets beat down by the 5XXX series any time. You must be a dumb one to pay so much for a video card like that does nothing and its ages behind Ati. Long gone the good Nvidia time before the 8800, nvidia is way back with there tech and performance. Ati will not make new card to compete with this because they already beat the hell out of it, so why bother. And im not an ati fan as i have nvidia VC im just real.
optmius99 1 year ago
@optmius99 lol their technology isn't ancient, in what regards?
their cards do pretty good actually, I got a GTX 260, in a single GPU configuration, and I can max any game out, and play it in 3D (with the exception of crysis, which looks shitty in 3D anyways) and they run perfectly fine.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
This video is concentrated nvidia butthurt.
TheHugeErection 1 year ago
and not evrey one needs 3D vision like me i have more need for eyefinity then 3D vision granted cuda is nice ati offers an accapteble alternitive for the prize for me
i have owned both ati and nvidia but this round i am going ati just for the more performace for the money sake and not willing toget a better psu either
the card is good but its not that good if it was that good ati would have dropped there prices like a brick but they diddent
ikukelas 1 year ago
@ikukelas lol, well of course not everyone needs 3D vision, but not everyone needs Eyefinity either..
you can get an ATI card for your own reasons, and I will get an Nvidia card for my own reasons, but I do highly recommend 3D Vision, and think you should at least try it before you pass judgement.
with Eyefinity I don't need to try it, I can see the results by watching a video, BUT you can't just see a video of 3D Vision, you have to try it in realtime to know what it's REALLY like.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
wow fanboy vid....
higher power consumption
higher temps
higher prices
and only 5-10% performace gain in EXTREEM teselation
and about 5% more in gaming ofr higher prices
realy in term of price performace ati takes this round
ikukelas 1 year ago 12
@ikukelas GTS 450 owns 5770. GTX 470 owns 5870. GTX 480 is better than 5970 at dx11 and its only a single gpu! Dude 5970 is a dual gpu so its not fair, wait till the gtx 495 is released. Dude your a idiot, nvidia is cheaper than ati. theres a 200 dollar gap between 480 and 5970.
gatler05 1 year ago
@ikukelas shut up, performance and heat isn't everything, how bout 3D and 3 monitors?
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro i can have 3 monitors
i dont need 3D becease its pointless for me at this point prize wise and i dotn have alot of 3D supported games so why?
ikukelas 1 year ago
@ikukelas I'm just saying you can't say AMD is better, because they aren't really, not when you take into consideration everything Nvidia offers, if AMD suits your needs better then fine, go with AMD, there's nothing wrong with AMD, they make great products too, that doesn't mean they are better tho.
also, most games support 3D anyways, the game doesn't have to be made to support 3D, it's because it all happens with the GPU, and rendering two perspectives.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
Actually... ATI was so unimpressed by the new Nvidia cards that they didn't even bother to lower the prices of their current cards (which is a bad thing for us) or announce any plans for a new card to compete with the 480. Nvidia's new cards are absolutely useless at bringing competition to the market, not only because of their bad thermals/noise/consumption/price, but especially because of their low availability (no matter how good they would have been).
isandu84 1 year ago
@isandu84 Did you just sniff glue in a parking lot? no availability? I can go on NCIX and get one right now, and have it shipped by noon tomorrow.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro First of all I said low availability instead of no availability. And if you think you're going to prove that the 4x0 cards have good availability just with an anecdotal example from a store which may or may not have the card on stock, you're the one sniffing glue. There are only a few HUNDRED cards allocated for the whole of Europe (US might get more, but still very limited). If you're not a actually a deluded fanboy, search google for GTX 4x0 availability and you'll see
isandu84 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro I take that back, reading some of you're other comments it's very clear you're just a deluded fanboy in denial.
isandu84 1 year ago 9
@isandu84 lol your right I am a fanboy, ATI's cards are just pure crap really, they don't have much that I want, or much that anyone would want really.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
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@1981z28camaro I have two PCs in my house, one with a HD 4850 (my first ATI card) and one with a GTS 250. There are things I like and things I hate about both, neither card is perfect.
"ATI's cards are just pure crap really, they don't have much that I want, or much that anyone would want really."
Well, most people want good performance at a decent price, and current ATI cards have that.
Personally, I slightly prefer Nvidia, but Fermi is a disappointment
isandu84 1 year ago
@isandu84 your right I'm a deluded fanboy, I like Nvidia for no reason at all, only the fact that their cards let me play in 3D with 3 monitors, but that's no reason to like Nvidia,. I mean why don't I like AMD? because having less features makes more sense right? yeah your right, actually, fuck the less features the better, I can't wait for a card made of silicon and dog shit that just sits there and does nothing.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
Go Nvidia. ATI is okay too.
zgarner2 1 year ago
When I was watching the video I thought it was trolling, but now I'm not so sure
I liked the ATI one better, this didn't feel like it was in the spirit of a "Hitler Reaction" video IMO
Afronerd 1 year ago
"maybe it will fix your brain" LMFAO
grandtheftauto1233 1 year ago
@grandtheftauto1233 lol, I see your checking my vids out :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro haha yep
grandtheftauto1233 1 year ago
lol hitler would actually laugh his ass of is this would happen these new cards have some issues they get 90 C on load and 63 on idle and cost around 150 USD more xD
klote2314 1 year ago
lol, so what, you get what you pay for.
and as far as the temps, I don't know where you got that info from.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro: it actually gets up to 93C in load, there's an article on HardOCP, BenchmarkReviews, and 96C on Geeks3D, or just do a google search. 300W need to be cooled somehow right and that brings noise, 60dB is just too much. So i disagree with your video, there is no GTX360, there's GTX480 and is just 10% better than 5870 which cost less, is quiet, no hot at all. Watt per watt performance, ATI is in the lead GTX480 consumes the same as 5970, but offers more performance.
XTFNicku 1 year ago
awsome dude:D!!!!!!!!!!
ombladon00 1 year ago
i'leave the room who is with me
hackerboylife 1 year ago
Dude, that was frickin hilarious. Kudos.
rottengeorge 1 year ago
thanks, lol :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
HAHA Hitler's right, maybe ATI should start selling diapers. Maybe they'll get more money that way.
cannon8800 1 year ago
lol, yes, they probably would :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@cannon8800 Give me a brake , Ati has the crown now as Nvidia used to with its 8800 series. Normally , if u were working for nvidia , i would've told you that you also need to learn to lose in life but as you don't , you'd probably be better lookin for the best price/performance ratio you can afford , either it be green or red. By the way , i'm not a FANBOY , i'm actually against fanboys, i've always switched between these two giants. Oh , and btw , at the moment i'm using a 8800 gt.
lupuradu 1 year ago
@lupuradu I didn't call you a fanboy, I have an 8800 gt, nvidia is still better but you would obviously have to pay a lot more just for bragging rights. A person doesn't lose at life because they are working for nvidia. I choose to go green all the way. Dont care about the prices.
cannon8800 1 year ago
@cannon8800 for me I choose Nvidia for 3D Vision, and 3 monitors :-)
The Best of Both Worlds.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@cannon8800 bring arguments! why would nvidia be better , at least at the moment? Oh , and btw , that's not what i meant about losing in life.
Going green is also a choice of yours but if u'll allow me , it's a bit wrong. If ATI brings a better product (which in fact did) u just don't care , u're all for the name seen in Device Manager , or for the green box or that stupid sticker glued to the case? Congrats nvidia , you can now sell even barbeque as nvidia technology , this guy buys it all!
lupuradu 1 year ago
@lupuradu ATI brought a lot of new tech to their video cards that didnt need to be there because a lot of the games back then didnt use them or implement them. Now it's actually the right time for them to unleash all their fancy tech since now dx 11 will use a lot of the tech current gen gpu's use. And besides just because ATI has outsold Nvidia, that doesnt mean that nvidia is a bad company. I can tell you hands down that nvidia gpu's have beaten more ATI video cards since day one.
cannon8800 1 year ago
Best...Video...Ever...
Also, the most true one to date!
NVIDIA for life!
matt10394 1 year ago
thanks, lol
I agree , haha :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
Are you retarded?
Smimley 1 year ago
@Smimley QQ more fanboiiiiiiiiiiiiii
adrienspawn 1 year ago
@adrienspawn QQ more. Did you just honestly say QQ? Sigh, theres really no need to "QQ" more because ATI makes better cards for the money right now. I had a Nvidia 9800GT but ATI just makes better cards(for right now), so i don't see how that makes me a fanboy. Plus by saying what you did that just makes you look like a fanboy.
Smimley 1 year ago
@Smimley 30$ to me is worth it to actually be able to play the games without problems, and then maybe encode a few videos, process tasks by GPGPU and add a little Physics and 3D effects in there. Not to mention better customer service. But hey if money is really that tight and you don't have a choice, get a netbook. You spend 60$ for every game you buy, you shouldnt skip on the thing that renders them all.
adrienspawn 1 year ago
@adrienspawn I've never had any problems with ATI and a lot of people probably haven't either. Some people probably get problems with Nvidia about the same. I don't see how a Netbook fits in? Were talking about price vs performance. Netbook is cheap but there is no performance, and games I usually don't pay for those.
Smimley 1 year ago
QQ?
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro It's like eyes crying, kinda. I dunno, took me a while to learn it too.
adrienspawn 1 year ago
oh, lol okay, thnx :-)
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
That is so funny lol
swiftlaker6 1 year ago
I lol'd at this becaues there is no GTX360.
There is a GTS330 mobile though, and that's a no where near the performance of the HD5870
Noojtxeeg 1 year ago
The Nvidia 3D vision glasses are such a joke, the shutter glasses give massive headaches and the cost of buying the glasses + the monitor is overpriced. I was so happy about 3D gaming, i tryed the glasses they did look awesome but the shutter thing is a primitive form of 3D because of the whole shutter thing. The real solution to the problem is having 3D glasses with high resolution screens in them.
ArielCaboob 1 year ago
Also with the whole Ati eyefinity and Nvidia multiple monitor setup, what a fucking joke for gaming. The boarders of the monitors is like having bars of dead pixles
ArielCaboob 1 year ago
what are you on? the glasses don't give you massive headaches, like 3 people said that, and wrote a fucking review, and now you think it's that way for everyone, I don't get headaches with 3D Vision...am I just special?
and the monitor is NOT overpriced, your talking about a 120 Hz monitor, so it serves a purpose beyond 3D Gaming alone, and $350, big deal, that's not that expensive, there's monitors that are NOT 120 hz 3D rready with the same specs for more.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro what the fuck are you talking about, i was so psyched to get the 3D glasses way before they even came out, I went to frys to try them out when they had them on display. they did really shock me when i put them on, it looked really awesome. I was standing there for like 20 minutes and started to get like migraine headaches, also you can see the shutters close sometimes its really bad after taking them off i felt like i was spun in a chair for a couple of seconds before it went away
ArielCaboob 1 year ago
and the Shutter Glasses are not primitive, in fact they are the closest thing to the real deal of how we actually observe reality.
By rendering two different perspectives simultaneously, your doing what your brain naturally does anyways when it receives two separate perspectives simultaneously, and combines them to give you Depth Perception.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro Shutter glasses are though, the closest thing to the real deal is having the glasses with displays on them not with some stupid shutters. your eye stays open all the time thats where these shutter glasses fail big time. Everything in your peripheral vision isn't moving etc so its not immsersive as real 3D goggles would be. I would gladly spend my money on the technology if it worked properly.
ArielCaboob 1 year ago
@ArielCaboob lol, well you have to somehow trick your brain into seeing depth, you can't have something displayed on a screen to have depth, without some sort of trickery, unless you can fit a real weapon into those 3D goggles, then maybe, lol
and that stupid headtracker nonesense is bullshit, all your doing is moving around a 2D object, incase you were going to mention that one.
SO FAR, yes in my opinion the shutter glasses are the most realistic way to do it.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@1981z28camaro like i said 3D goggles with displays in them, go look at the "i-glasses Video 3D Pro" that's a way better solution to 3D. "By rendering two different perspectives simultaneously" one for each eye 100%. The only problem is that they arent mainstream yet. plus with these things you can use them anywhere imagine have a 3D capable device (umpc) you can use these on the go, watch 3d porn and no one would ever know. way better to the old school lcd + glasses bs
ArielCaboob 1 year ago
@ArielCaboob lol, well I wouldn't be THAT naive, remember... peoples definition of what should be called 3D varies from person to person, those glasses may be called "3D" because an image is projected infront of you inside them, but that doesn't mean it can actually let you perceive depth in what your viewing.
like I said, you can't just show your eyes something and make it 3D, unless you either filter 2 separate perspectives through each eye.
it has to do with how our brain receives it.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@ArielCaboob and so what if the glasses act like shutters and turn on and off, your monitor right now is going from a black screen to on, at a rate of 60 times per second or more, your not sitting them bitching about your monitor are you?
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
i think hitler got pissed off for nothing
taltigolt 1 year ago
Fucking funny! ASUS HD 5870, core 2 6700, asus commando mb, 8 gigs ddr2 800, xfi exreme gamer, antec 900. samsung spinpoint 1 tb. Ps my HD 5870 is rather nice heheh.
TheSproutKing 1 year ago
LOL waaait a moment :D
amdintelxsniperx 1 year ago
Eh, The Fermi one is better.
BrandonFerrell 1 year ago
Haha. Damn, the fact that I'm fluent in German kind of ruins this for me. xD
Sebas3440 2 years ago
yeah, just plug your ears I guess, lol :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@adrienspawn
9 months later with almost same performance i can't call it a win... you can call it anything you want bcz you are another one nVidiot kid...
AlCaponeRS19 2 years ago
lol I could care less how well the ATI cards perform, they could get 9000 fps on any game set at 900AA, and 900AF, at a resolution of 9809X9000, and I still wouldn't give a fuck, performance isn't everything. You eye can only see so much.
at least when the GTX 480 comes out, I'll get decent performance, 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround.
how bout some fucking immersion? why not 3D, AND 3 monitors, why settle for just 3 monitors?
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
performance and eye-candy is everything...... except if you buy a 600$ card for fuda and pissX....... and something else... lets get a look how much they cost 3 monitors@200Hz for the 3D shit....
AlCaponeRS19 2 years ago
lol, well I don't buy it for Physx or Cuda, PS: I know you think Physx cards are a joke, I know you CAN do physics just fine with ATI cards, BUT it just helps take stress off your GPU to do other things.
and I buy Nvidia cards for 3D Vision, which IS worth it, just try it yourself, and you'll agree, and no it's not 200 hz monitors, it's 120 Hz monitors.
and they aren't all that more expensive anyways really.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
terrible
TF2legend 2 years ago
this video is a bit off. It's going to be more like "the 470 beats the 5870 barely.."
tabovilla 2 years ago
lol, it's not a prediction, just look up "Far Cry 2 benchmark 5970" then do a separate search for Far Cry 2 benchmark GTX 360"
it gets better minimum fps, which is what I personally think is what really counts.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Fermi has a 20% clock rate miss...
It's hot buggy and unfixable...
AlCaponeRS19 2 years ago
Is as hot and as the previous series, which was cold, it has better drivers, and can be overclocked. Big win for Nvidia this round. Round two 6 series vs GTX5XX!
adrienspawn 2 years ago
Are you retarded?
Smimley 1 year ago
Yes, I am retarded.
1981z28camaro 1 year ago
@Smimley Yup...
matt10394 1 year ago
so how much fps would the gtx 480 get. btw they tested it agianst a 5870 not 5970.
CSSihAx 2 years ago
I could care less how well the GTX 480 performs, people need to realize that your brain can only process so many fps, and then beyond that anything more is pointless, and start focusing on other things that increase the immersiveness of the gaming experience, such as having 3D Vision with 3 Monitors, and whatnot.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro i notice that but i need better fps than 30 fps of this ati radeon 2400 hd.
CSSihAx 2 years ago
well of course, it's time to upgrade, but ask yourself if you want performance, or do you want maybe slightly less performance, but a few extra features...
get a nice balance :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro and thats why im getting case power monitor keyboar+mouse and ati card. ect...
CSSihAx 2 years ago
oh yeah, well I was referring to other features (in regards to video cards in specific)
just forget about playing games in 3D with your ATI card is all I'm saying.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
yeah too much fps is useless to our eyes, BUT doesnt that mean the card will have a longer lifespan?
applies to AMD & NVIDIA
rhun664 2 years ago
and the only real advantage of a geforce card is Physx, which is completely optional
3d Vision=Eyefinity
rhun664 2 years ago
lol, 3D Vision is NOT Eyefinity.
this is why 3D Vision has not gained the popularity that it deserves, everyone thinks that playing with 3 monitors suddenly makes the game have depth, NO, it doesn't, sure it adds peripheral vision to your gaming, but NOT depth.
creating depth is a process which involves filtering two slightly different perspectives through each eye, which are then combined inside the brain to create depth.
hence the need for "shutter glasses".
please do some research.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro
it's youre eyes that put the limit to fps, and depending on how good they are. usually a person can see over 60 fps. fighter pilots have a test for this to see how many fps they can see
bredekrist 2 years ago
there's no way for you to see over 60 fps, UNLESS you are in a survival situation, at which point even color isn't processed by your brain.
so unless your being chased by a bear while playing a game, you wont notice a difference.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
how would a survival situation make you see more fps? the brain and eye can usally see 60+ fps, if you compared 120 fps Against 60 fps i promise you that you will see a difference.
why do you think they make like 200 fps tv's? but the difference isnt that ecxiting so they usally stick too 60 fps on monitors
bredekrist 2 years ago
in a survival situation your brain processes more information, and in turn also increases how many frames each second you see.
watch?v=UmUaZpr6oVc
I know that you CAN notice a difference as far as not seeing "tracers" when you pause a game with 120 Hz monitor, but that doesn't mean our brain is processing the extra frames, it just looks smoother, if our brains were actually processing it at that rate, it would look slow.
200 hz and 200 fps are TWO different things by the way.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
they are referring to the refresh rate when they say 120hz
you could be getting 5 fps on a 120 hz monitor, and the game would look like complete shit.
see what I'm trying to get at?
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
and those 200 Hz TV's are a gimmick, because they know people just buy them to brag "I got a 120 hz T.V" ...." Yeah well I got a 200 hz T.V" they know that people are infantile and only look at things such as (HP, Amps, Watts, PSI) - Inches is a pretty popular one too :-)
there may be a difference but it's probably so small that you'd need to analyze it for a year (at least from going from 120 hz to 200 hz that is)
They are counting on peoples Ego to close the deal.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
You miss the point. A bench mark is performed to "indicate" a cards capability on games besides the one which actually features in the test. 60fps in one game may translate to roughly 30fps in another.
Anything less than 50fps and you should worry about having a playable frame rate in the other game.
Acerimmer12 1 year ago
hey the ati 5970 just kicks ass nvidia never have a chance they r just good in naming cards thats all
assa1111111 2 years ago
yeah well no shit the 5970 kicks ass, but personally I'm not all about frame rate anyways, when the GTX 480 comes out, I can get great performance, 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround (3 monitors)
I like a good mixture of performance & immersion.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Camaro SS LOL GENIOUS
AndyTran2010 2 years ago
haha, thanks :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Camaro SS...lol xDD
kihzrds 2 years ago
lol, yeah, seemed to work nicely, haha
and I like Camaro's :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
heh lol
FreakFromHell182 2 years ago
hahahaa laughed my ass off very funny
stussyboys 2 years ago
lol, nice, glad you liked it :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
ahah nice but gtx 360 dosent exist (only gtx 360m) for laptop gaming, desktop will be gtx 470 and gtx 480
cobrastomas 2 years ago
well it WAS going to be called the GTX 360, and GTX 380, but then they changed it I guess, but yeah, NOW it is the GTX 470, and GTX 480 :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro Yeah they changed the numbers around to look like they didn't just miss an entire product cycle.
BMac7773 2 years ago
what do you mean?
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Well GF100 was supposed to come out in october if I remember right. And at that point it was the 300 series. Now since it is so delayed, and probably won't be available for purchase until sometime in the summer, I think they just are saying 400 to act like they skipped the 300 series. Its a marketing thing.
BMac7773 2 years ago
that could be.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
I hope this video has been made for laughs. 'cause Nvdias actions for the past month(s) have been ridicilous. Well Nvidia lost the DX11 round, takes forever to build up a card and then they are like: ITS BEST SINGLE CORE GPU IN THE WORLD. OFC its better than 5870 cause theyve had like 5months to develep it, and still cant even publish it. >_>
Proxiiter 2 years ago
Let see this card if she can run smoother when running latest heavy games on three monitors at higher setting & higher res..then compared it to ATI's fastest card...
namasayaorang 2 years ago
well yeah let's see, might be possible considering the card wont be made of pudding.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
NVIDIA'S STILL GONNA FAIL
madzane94 2 years ago
lol, alright then...
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
really dont belive that, i love Ati, but this time we must recognize nvidia is on a higher level, this time.
Bariudol 2 years ago
lol, at least your reasonable.
also it's not JUST about frame rate, of course you wanna have good performance, but everyone seems so fixated on it..
why not focus on some other features, sure ATI has Eyefinity, but they don't have a PROPER 3D Solution, the 400 series, will have both, plus DX11, and better performance to boot.
if both companies offered the same features, I'd simply say go with whatever costs the least :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Totally agree with you.
Bariudol 2 years ago
that's good :-)
People always snap at me when I mention 3D Vision, they call me an "Nvidiot" and 3D Vision is cheesy, then I ask them if they tried it themselves, and they say "No" lol
what foolish people.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
you fail..
cobrastomas 2 years ago
Anyone thinking about buying the 5870 or 5970 cards from ATI? You better do some research first...Google search "5870 Grey Lines" There are ALOT of people who are having major issues with the ATI cards.I'd stay far away from ATI cards,what good is having the fastest card if it doesn't work? lol @ ATI
XLr8r2006 2 years ago
yeah, and the 400 series will have EVERYTHING ATI has, and 3D Vision, with better performance.
I'd rather have everything, than SOME things lol
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
ahaha ye, i bought a i7 and i overlocked to 4.0 and i have a 9800gtx+ xD but when 480 comes out! it will be mine! xD and about 5000 series, ye they are cheaper and whit good performance, but ati drivers sucks, and laways whit texture problems and shadown bugs
cobrastomas 2 years ago
lol lol lol
seonjie 2 years ago
Btw. ATI enabled 3D gaming with the last driver update and teslation is a DirectX feature...and again, ATI = hardwareteslation, nVidia = softwareteslation...GF100 sucks...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
ATI did not do that.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Hmm...search for new features of catalyst 10.2...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
The 3D feature that is on ATI cards that's meant to be used with an IZ3D monitor is not a very good choice, if you want to do it properly.
I have read reviews on the IZ3D Solution, and people have said time and time again that Nvidia's Shutter Glasses solution is much better, less ghosting, and better depth.
also, ATI does not support the use of Crossfire with Stereoscopic 3D enabled, while Nvidia does, and you'll need two cards for it.
So it's not a realistic choice ATM.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Ok maybe NVIDIA could be the better choice for 3D gaming sometimes in the future (2Q 2010 or maybe Q3 ?) but i think that 3D gaming will be something that less then 1% of the users need...and ATI has the hardware, they only need to upgrade the software...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
Nvidia has 3D Vision now, but if you want 3D Vision WITH 3 monitors, you would have to wait for the 400 series to be released.
and believe it or not 3D Vision SHOULD appeal to Gamers, and DOES appeal to much more than "less than 1%"
3D Vision is one of the most underrated features in gaming at the present time, it's underrated because you can't see it unless you buy the kit, and so people are bound to make assumptions.
with Eyefinity, I can look it up and see it how it would ACTUALLY look.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
honestly, if you were to ACTUALLY try 3D Vision, your idea of how man people would want it, would drastically change, probably from less than 1% to 99%.
all the people that have a negative opinion of 3D Vision have never even tried it, and almost 100% of the people that HAVE tried it, almost always have a positive opinion.
The only people that have a negative opinion, complain about poor depth (not realizing that maybe the issue is THEIR eyes, and not the hardware)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@bluefisch200 The only thing you will get from the ATI 5870/5970 is the infamous "Grey Screen Of Death" Two of my friends bought the 5870 cards....both returned them for GTX 285's. Guess what...the GTX 285's are running sweet ;) ATI SUCKS ASS!
XLr8r2006 2 years ago
How many persons have that problem...none of my friends...and i also have no problems with my 5850 crossfire system...ATI cards work perfect but it must be hard to be a fanboy of a company with a card like the GTX295...and this card is slower then the single GPU HD5870...come on...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
what are you smoking? the 5870 is NOT faster than the GTX 295, the 5970 is, but not the 5870, please be reasonable at least.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
oh yeah sry she is around 10% slower...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
based on what evidence? yeah, that's what I thought. fuck sakes.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
based on benchmarks from computerbase and other web-pages...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
lol, well they're lying, every other benchmark done by other sites shows the 5870 behind the GTX 295, mind you, I still think it's great performance considering it's going up against a dual gpu card.
but it's not faster than the GTX 295
just search for "AMD Radeon HD 5870 and HD 5850 Performance Chart" and click the first link.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Yes thats what i say, the HD5870 is 10% behind the GTX295...
bluefisch200 2 years ago
oh, I thought you were saying the GTX 295 was 10% slower, my bad :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro
ATI also has the 5970 to compete against the GTX 295
hazezone 2 years ago
hey! :-)
yeah, well the 5970 gets better frame rate than the GTX 295, but the 5870 gets about 20 fps more than the GTX 285, ATI does make some powerful cards, but Nvidia will have the edge with the 400 series, and it will have 3D Vision, and Nvidia Surround, with DX11, and Tessellation.
everything you could ask for :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
I own a HD4890 1GB and a GTX 260 Superclocked 626 Core Clock and honestly my ATI does pull off a better performance when it comes to recording and other things because of the memory but I love my Nvidia card to death. Adds more detail to every game. Brings out something the ATI card doesn't. Even on games that aren't Nvidia Favored like Dirt 2.
hazezone 2 years ago
yeah, performance isn't everything :-)
which is what you ARE saying of course, good that you see that tho, lol, most people just care about frame rate it seems.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
Both cards has it's advantages and disadvantages. I mean the Nvidia GTX 260 Superclocked card I own is right there with my ATI 4890 1GB as far as power and pretty much matches it in performance. The memory difference is what hurts my Nvidia against this card but the Nvidia card allows me to edit and transcode videos waaayyy faster and do other things outside of gaming faster. But I think the GTX 260 was made to destroy the ATI 4870 so that could be why I see more performance with the ATI 4890
hazezone 2 years ago
i read all ur askers and u are absolutly right in all :) nice work and im not a nvidia fan boy, im a quality fanboy and all knows nvidia is quality :)
cobrastomas 2 years ago
@1981z28camaro Lol if they can ever get it out, rumors are that it will be limited release end of march, probably be mid summer before anyone can actually buy one.
BMac7773 2 years ago
lol, we'll have to wait and see. :-)
1981z28camaro 2 years ago