His wife was insane but he was too embarrassed about that to do anything about it because he's known as a great war hero and it's the 50's where men were seen as superior to women. He technically killed his children because he didn't get his wife help and he didn't wanna live with that. Sane or not he did what he wanted for himself. ALSO, I just wanna point out-look where they're walking at the ending. They're not going to Ward's A, B, or C and the last scene is the lighthouse where they contin
So ur sayin that at the end he gave up .. I think that Tedy has understand the hole thing that they were doing to him and at the last part he is saying that he was about to leave this island for good.. or die trying...
Andrew is not really a monster. He didn't kill his children, he took his eye of the ball with his wife and thought that she would get better with time. He killed his wife true, but that was a crime of passion, overcome with grief and anger.
I believe that there were experiment going on in the island for a few reasons. One there was a general there or a military man , there are always military men preset when government experiments are being conducted. 2 chuck disappears in the movie for a while' maybe this was when he got brainwashed by the doctors . 3 a patient he interviews as teddy tells him to run in a note but when chuck his partner is away getting her water. I would love to be proven wrong because the movie still baffles me
I think he was getting drugged already on the boat when he smokes ciggaretes from the chuck. And it only got worse since, and that he was Teddy. That's what I want to believe.
OMG I just realised something !!! Do you remember when Chuck disappeared ? Maybe he has been brainwashed and doctors make him believe he is a doctor too, and in this case, it would explain why at the end he smoke the cigarets they have been given... (sorry for my bad english i'm french)
Does anyone notice that at after the Andrew(the now accepted form Leo takes)says the quote"live like a monster or die like a man" Chuck calls him Teddy?
k i'd like to say this. i've not read the book, but did watch movie. very intriguing, and also i DID understand the ending. (get it? D.I.D.? if not look it up). the confusion, progression/regression, questioning sanity, etc. at times i've wondered the same things as Teddy/Andrew. who's messed with my head, and why? if at all? Personally, I'd rather die as the "good" person i percieve myself to be, than live as the "insane" person some make me out to be. he was traumatized, not monstrous.
i dont think thats totaly diffrent. (but it could be your argumation is correct) You forget that also in the End of the book his subconscious mind know that he is a Monster. So that sentence in the and make no diffrence imo.
I still don't understand who the woman was in the cave then. Was she REAL? Was she a doctor? Who was she?? and the crazy lady in the beginning who gives the "Shush" finger, WHO IS SHE?? Why did he tell him to shush, and the other woman wrote "RUN". There's a lot of confusing parts to this movie... like additives that don't have to be there, I don't know.
@insidexistance all of those moments were part of Andrew/Teddys fantasy world. Just details that he is making up to make teddys conspiracy theory about the island look real.
Now did he actually kill his wife who killed his kids, or did the doctors just convince him that he did and he really was a good man? Think about that one. Everyone just goes with the simple explanation always that what the doctors said was true, but the movie also has the doctors as always being scheming and evil.
I understood the movie for the most part, I just had a heap load of trouble understanding the ending - mainly when the guy is shot then when you look again there's no blood!
so in the end the people working and running the island are good normal doctors or bad people working on mental peoples brains??? i understand the Movie other wise please reply
I guess im still confused. So, did he kill his wife who killed the kids? And was he really in the hospital for 2 years instead of 2 days?! And who was the other guy?! A doctor or a Marshall?!
I notice how alot of you mention how the fire means hallucination. It's a good theory because you can also think of the water as his subconsciousness. For example his wife is always wet as you might have noticed (means that she did drown the kids) etc. But there is a lot of other stuff that supports the other theory (that he really is teddy). Anyways, this movie is just as much a psychological experiment on Teddy as it is on the person watching it :)
You said " is it better to live my life as Teddy" Noooo Andrew was asking is it better to die as Teddy than to live as a monster not die as a monster. Fucking fail.
great video bro cause the ending of the movie kinda confused me well not the dialog but when it showed the light house i was like wait sooo they lied and everything about him wasnt true? but you cleared it up lol thanks alot
i hate to say it but i wouldve preferred that instead of him actually being insane, there actually were nazi experiments going on.. and right at the end, just when theyve got him convinced, someone says something wrong that causes him to see theyre trying to trick him then it goes all taxi driver and he snags a gaurds piece and wastes all the nazi bastards.. i really wanted it to be that film.. :P
That video was from a year ago...when I was training for the olympics and really skinny. I've bulked up since then :-) I still can't believe it got 90,000 hits.
@acowa4104 Andrew asked: "What do you think is worse; To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
from what i can tell He is faking his regression and wants to be lobotomized because he cant live with knowing he let his wife kill their children and killing his wife in retaliation. he chose to "die as a good man". isnt that what he means?
I say he was sane, he allows the lobotomy because he's saying that it's better to die as Teddy, the good man he knows he is, than to live a lie as a complete monster like Andrew.
@killamanjaro306 basically summed it up, anyone with any questions refer to this comment, he nailed it (I say he was sane, he allows the lobotomy because he's saying that it's better to die as Teddy, the good man he -knows- thinks he is, than to live a lie as a complete monster like Andrew.)
@junaid187 also during this time lobotomys were very popular during this time. One of the people at the end was holding some sort of case that looks like case that holds lobotomy rods and when they were in the lighthouse and the doctors were telling him what happened didn't they say if he regressed he would have a lobotomy?
I disagree. It is totally not a good ending. Chuck is willingly going away from his conscious living and decides to close himself in a mental fascility. Where is there any sign of a positive ending? The ending was actually a some kind of redemption that Chuck had decided to make upon himself. I love the movie. It made me think, especially in the end.
I also strongly recommend watching 'INTO THE WILD' (2007)
That particular movie has left a strong impression on me, espeacially the ending.
Shutter Island is real masterpiece - great acting, directing, producing, everything. Some moments were even scary. Leonardo DiCaprio is real master (Leo acts even better than Johnny Depp). Ben Kingsley and Mark Ruffalo were great as well but I don't understand why so many people found the ending unpredictable. I predicted the ending after first 20-30 minutes. This movie is masterpiece but not as unpredictable as The Others, The Game, Identity, Fight Club, Cube 2 or The Prestige
@acowa4104 Andrew asked: "What do you think is worse; To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
from what i can tell He is faking his regression and wants to be lobotomized because he cant live with knowing he let his wife kill their children and killing his wife in retaliation. He chose to "die as a good man". isnt that what it means?
hey, i just watched the movie and I do have one question, what was the relavance of the island resembling Auschwitz? in the movie he makes a comment that one of the police officers resemble a Nazi and he has memories of the war and there is relevance to the war throughout the movie but what does it mean? why bring it up at all? reply would be great appreciated :)
The movie setting was 1950's (post World War 2). Andrew/Teddy had served in WW2 and had been involved in concentration camp liberation activities. That's where those memories come from. FWIW - That was about the same time period as the labotomy was conceived. They also actually was a doctor that performed the icepick labotomy discussed in the book/movie.
If he carried on his life he would have to accept he was mental and the fact that he killed his life thus living as an evil man. If he let them end his life in the light house he could die thinking what he taught all along that he was a good man.
They fucked his mind up, he knew he wanst crazy, he knew he was innocent, yet he had no choice, it was either die fast, or live his entire life in a world that he knew wasnr his.
GOD DAMN! Could you PLEASE just talk slower??? I felt like punching my screen because of you. Please, see someone. I couldnt stand 1 minutes listening to you!! Sooo slow... And and, so so, so. Please, see someone!
This is how I originally thought the movie ended the first time I saw it, but after I watched it a second time I became really confused. When Teddy says "Is it better to die a hero or live on as a monster?" I thought that he meant is it better to die as a martyr, a man coming over here to investigate these experiments, or live on pretending to be something that he's not (a criminally insane patient). Can you please explain to me how this interpretation is incorrect so I can sleep easy. lol
i ended the movie right now and i must say that this ending is freaking awesome. Thx for your video, i wanted to figure out some things. But i prefer an ending where he doesn't relapse and he accepts the truth :(
I didn't read the book; however, from your recount of the book's ending perhaps he did still knowingly accept the lobotomy.
If he states that he is "too smart", read between the lines.
Perhaps the author felt as though the book was misunderstood and clarified his intent in the movie by adding the additional line of "dying a hero or living a monster"
It's quite obvious that they tried to make Teddy into believing he's insane (Andrew Laeddis) but in the end he knew what was going on in that Island and knew he had no way out. So he had 2 options: Live in the island as the monster they've created him to believe he is (Andrew Laeddis) or die as the hero he knows he is, a US Marshall. In the end you can see that they perform experiments on patients on the Island (like MK Ultra).
Thanks for posting this! It cleared things up as it showed the tower at the end, and I thought that it was empty, and that's where they supposed to do the lobotomies.
i thought the end was where hes in that bed surrounded by everyone having that dream then wakes up and admits hes andrew and then gets taken to the lighthouse?
he couldn't be cured at the end bc he still believes the lobotomies take place in the lighthouse, thats something he made up. In reality the lighthouse is empty...right?
@kissfreak7888 no, i think he *not leonardo irl, andrew in the movie* was 'acting',or in way, subtly letting 'chuck' know that he was indeed cured. notice how, right after he tells chuck that "yea, we are, aren't we?", even tho chuck looks over at dr. naering and dr. cawley, but andrew is looking over his shoulder, also looking at the two doctors. chuck shakes his head (meaning no, he is not cured), and before andrew is taken away, he asks if it's better to live as a monster, or die a god man.
Wait, the real last sentence in this movie is: "Teddy?"
Why would Chuck/the Dr. call him like that? This confused me. I think Scorseze wanted this uncertainty regarding reality. Teddy was uncertain in which reality he really was, and so was I.
@punkass916 Yeah, but every time there is fire or mention of fire, I think that’s when he is hallucinating. That might be why. I haven’t seen the movie in a while, so I could be wrong, but I think that’s why.
Dude I think you got 1 thing wrong. DiCaprio asks-"Which would be worse?To live as a monster or to die as a good man?" I think he essentially means to ask whether he should live with d guilt of having killed his wife or agree to lobotomy as Teddy Daniels though he's realised d truth already. You got it the other way round. Anyway I guess u essentially made us understand what's going on. :) I appreciate d video.
Acowa4104 thank you for posting! I love your interpretation of the movie. I too felt that..that is what was going on. I LOVED that movie and I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to post this. Well done! Love it! Ignore the faceless morons that like to talk *crap. Lmao and I loved your post "The key is to not let fat guys (like me) surf the web on your computer". Too cute and I love that you can laugh at yourself, great sense of humor! Thanks again! :-)
at the end he knows who he is , he remebers who he is but still goes with the lobotomy anyway , will he at least um survive the lobotomy. i dont really know the dangers of it but is there a possibility he can die from it??
Hey man, I love the video. Just finished the movie, and I must say the ending had me down haha. I appreciate the video. Ignore the haters too, they are all over Youtube. I will definitely subscribe man!
question: so does that mean that the whole thing about the brain experiments they were doing was true or false? because according to that lady in the cave, the turn people into believing they were murderers when they werent, but the ending explains that was false, but doesnt explain the presence of the lady in the cave or what she was saying.
I assume the brain experiments were the labotomies. Remember, this movie is shot in the 50's when the labotomy was introduced. I would imagine it was thought of as a brain experiement back then.
To follow up on your second question: One theory out there is that whenever you see fire, "Teddy" is hallucinating. In the cave scene with the lady...there's fire.
I found it quite funny that the advert that popped up was advertising 5XL clothing. Anyways nice video man really well done. I think that both explanations (crazy or not) can be logically proven, and maybe that's what Scorsese wanted!
That IS funny! I think the ads are driven to serve up things that people might click on so that youtube makes more money. The key is to not let fat guys (like me) surf the web on your computer. God only knows what might come up! One of the points that I was trying to make was "Did Scorsese change the ending that Lehane intended by adding the last line?" In interviews, Lehane has stated that "Teddy" was indeed crazy.
@acowa4104 Ok, i'm going to say this. Can't we ask the writer of the movie what is the true ending? But there's a few things i'd like to point out. At the end he takes the cigarette from the Dr. if he was Teddy he wouldn't of done so because he knew that they were drugged where as he took which means at that point in time he believed he was Andrew which means you were right and that he was sane and that he faked being crazy just to get the lobotomy.
There's a website called andyatthemovies that did ask him. It's a good read if you want to check it out. He said that Andrew/Teddy was insane. However, he didn't write the ;ast line of the movie in his book.
at the end he was cured but he made it seem like he wasnt so that they will kill him thats why he says i would rather die as a good man and not live as a monster
@acowa4104 It will also erase all of his existing memories among other things. Artazan is right, he wanted to die then and that's why he made it seem as though he wasn't cured....Hence, he would live after the lobotomy but not with the memories of the past (and so, he wouldn't revert back to teddy since that's a defense mechanism that wouldn't be needed if he didn't remember; the function of the lobotomy). When you're lobotomized, you're pretty much dead (figuratively of course).
There's a black and white video of the history of labotomy here on youtube. Back in the day, housewives were getting them. Some young children were given them. Watch the video. There's a lot of misconception about what it will and wont do. The video even discusses the ice pick labotomy that was discussed in Shutter Island.
@acowa4104 To the best of my knowledge (and I know little about lobotomies in general), it was used to sever the prefrontal cortex from other parts of brain. Apparently (I read) it was done to extinguish memories. This never made too much sense to me as this part of brain may be involved in memory, but is also involved in more complex behaviours (like reasoning, judgement, etc). Thanks for the advice though, I'll look it up.
Normally these self-made YouTube videos are stupid and I avoid watching them but I toughed through this one and I was glad I did. I don't know why I didn't notice that...I didn't catch on to the subtlety at the end there. I didn't read the book so I guess you'd have to read the book to pick up on the difference there. In either case, good analysis. I liked this film...it was nice seeing a film like that from the insane person's perspective instead of the usual...the whole film was a mind trip.
Ok that's not the correct interpretation. At the end he is in fact Andrew but by that statement he's referring to Teddy as the monster and himself Andrew as the good man. He's finally come to terms with the fact that he is indeed not a bad man. The monster is teddy, the worst inmate in shutter island, the most dangerous. He knows he can't deal with the pain and is going to regress back into Teddy in which case he's gonna be lobotomized anyway so why not get the lobotomy in his right state o mind
this is a so deep movie, never tought a movie whit dicaprio would be this good, fucking loved it!!! mindtwisting exiting and some scary in its own way, but i think he knew he went crazy but as you say he deside to remove that memory couse its the one thing that keeps him from being sane. he just fucks whit them in the end, he knows he gota do what he gota do unles he will just be stuck whit his bad memory of not saving his family, awseome movie!!!! 10 times more mindtwsting than inception!
this guys interpretation is one of many other possible ones...the movie is good and beautiful because u come up with the ending u want, or everything as a whole, like the fact he had a tie from the wife and used to explode the car, if he was dangerous he wouldnt b allowed to carry a tie around and all, so... endless possibilities
@stormbre4ker There are many perceptions of the ending, but the most plausible and realistic scenario is one that aligns with what the guy on this video is saying. Andrew is clearly sane at the end and clearly knows what's going on. Just watch him when he says the statement to chuck (the statement that leads chuck to think that's insane again). At that moment, he knows exactly how everything is going to unfold because of what he said. He just doesn't want to live with it or revert to teddy.
@stormbre4ker And by getting the lobotomy he takes care of both. He no longer has to be the Andrew that knows of what happened in the past. So, Teddy will die as it follows logically since Teddy doesn't have to be made up to protect him from the past that he doesn't remember. Get it? That's why he says I would rather die now as a good man. He's inferring that once he comes back, what's left of him was inherently good and that's the man that will be there (Andrew, minus the bad memories).
@obadets3 hahah i have never seen this movie thus concluding that someone commented throw my account. so i don't know what your talking about sorry. but um i will comment as myself once i see the movie. =) oh plus i don't make my smilies like this :) but with the equal sign =)
you explained it wrong. He asked if itd be better to live as a man who killled his wife. Or to die as the detective. He just by asking this question shows that the treatment has worked and that he has decided that he can not live knowing he is a murderer. So he chooses the labotomy.
ok i think when he was fixed the 2nd he knew he was ok and understood everything but i dont think he could live with him self after seeing his kids dead and killing his wife and beeing crazy for 2 years
Yeh, I didn't get that from the ending.. I got from the line, is it better to die knowing he was a good person and standing up for what he believed or to be live like the other guys there (being monsters and killing etc...)
Then by showing the lighthouse, it gave the connotation that he was right all along..
Also, he's a kinda cop and he shot a murderer for killing 3 kids? Would he really be imprisoned in a mental asylum for that?
There's an awesome black and white documentary on youtube. I would watch that for a full explanation. With Teddy, they did an "ice pick" labotomy. You can see the ice pick wrapped in a towel at the end of the movie. The labotomy would not kill you. It would calm you down. They needed to do it because Teddy was violent and dangerous to the other patients and staff.
@Olividy thats like back in the days they use to cut some front piece your brain out that they thought made you go crazy to help you stop going crazy but some people really got messed up from it so they dont do it any more
I DON'T THINK HE WAS CRAZY!!!!! I think they were just screwing with him and it isn't positive that they do lobotomize him it just shows the light house but the reason I say he isn't crazy is because there's so much on both sides saying he is or isn't but you may think differently plz tell me wat u thinl
I think you should read the interview with Shutter Island author Dennis Lehane at andyatthemovies website. Go there and do a search on Lehane. He lets you know what he intended.
I personally think , the whole time Andrew knew what was going on , atleast a little bit , because if anybody remeembers when he was interviewing patients in that lounge , the one guy i guess tore apart a nurses face , then he talked about Rachel Solondo , and when the patient said "you know she drowned her own kids , gas the bitch!" , and then teddy started getting real pissed off and making the mark on his notepad with that pencil , does anybody see it like that?
@cdurci Well you have to understand a bit of pschology here. The reason he started to scratch the pad was because he knew that guy (this is what we refer to as IMPLICIT memory). The reason he started doing that was to piss the guy off because he didn't want to hear about the drowning of the kids (something that tapped into his own REPRESSED memory bank). He did what he did as a reaction based on something. However, that something wasn't apparent to his direct memory at that moment in time.
@cdurci And remember, the whole purpose of the doctor was to ignite these memories that were repressed so deep into his mind that he couldn't access them directly (hence the multiple personalties to cope). This was just another way for the doctor to try and get him to access his own past and it started to tingle his own memory, and so, he scratched the pad since he had an implicit learning of what bothered the guy who was speaking at the time. This movie has a lot of pschology in it.
Another thing : after that "is it better to die as a man, or to live as a monster" quote, his personal doctor / friend calls for him as "teddy" but he does not answer or look back : he knows he's not Teddy, he's cured.
For me, 5/5 movie, it was one of the best movies i've ever seen on cinema.
By showing the lighthouse as the very final shot, I'd like to think Scorsese opened up a 3rd possibility for this film.........
That Teddy's delusions were in fact real, the woman in the cliff was real .... that there is a secret government program that was testing on soldiers .... and that the "therapy experiment" was actually the lie that he was made to believe.
I feel like by showing the lighthouse at the end Scorsese might be at least suggesting that.
@l33tpwnzord that's not the case. The final shot is to show that the lighthouse was in deed where the truth came out. The lighthouse was always gonna be the end of Andrew.
Go Jackets. I just wish they made better looking Georgia Tech hats.
I see your point...the ending was kind of Twilight Zone. If you haven't seen the Andyatthemovies site, I would read the interview they did with author Dennis Lehane.
no you got the names mixed up, you mean he didnt wanna live as andrew laeddis because he let his wife kill his kids and he killed his wife, as teddy he was the good man
I didn't read the book...and I didn't get this inference the first time watching the movie...but just before watching this I was looking for a clip of the ending...and I watched it and I totally agree with you at least as far as the movie is concerned. I think it follows the character that he was, even in his delusion, to do that...he questioned the cigarettes etc...he was looking for the truth and would have, I think, made that choice and he clearly, voluntarily went away with the doctors etc
I definitely think he was sane the whole time in the movie. But in the book I think he was a schizophrenic. The movie and the book were so similar, yet so different. Hmmm...
Does no one think that he was sane all along; that he's really teddy daniels?? I don't believe that he was ever andrew.. how do you explain the woman who told him to RUN. and what about on the cliff, the real rachel wasnt part of trying to trick him because she warned him.
i think in the end, that sentence could mean that he knew he was never going to get off the island and that he would rather die a good man knowing that he knew the truth instead of being their puppet at shutter island.
@puzzake, i totally agree. I thought i was the only one who thought he was sane before and sane after. Besides, they said the island housed the worsed of the worsed kind. Presumably, Teddy would have been housed in Ward C if he was an inmate. Yet, they let him roam the god damn island. And, the warden didn't even mention that they did lobotomies on the island, it was only George Noyce and Rachel Solando who told him this, and yet he knew he would get lobotomised in the end.
@puzzake You can certainly interpret it that way, but there are too many subtleties in the movie that suggest that what you're saying is incorrect. He likely had many disorders (in the psychology of humans you will find that many disorders are often seen together; comorbidity is the term). He was likely schizophrenic (symptoms=delusions, auditory hallucinations, higher purpose, PARANOID), DID (Andrew, Teddy), PTSD (from the war), among MANY OTHER THINGS. He was insane IMO, till the end.
Oh, see I was confused to the last line and why he let's the doctors follow him. That makes a lot more sense, because I thought that the book and movie ending would be the same.
You said I'm suprised the author let the movie end that way or something to that effect. The author doesn't have any power at all after seLLing the movie rights.
His wife was insane but he was too embarrassed about that to do anything about it because he's known as a great war hero and it's the 50's where men were seen as superior to women. He technically killed his children because he didn't get his wife help and he didn't wanna live with that. Sane or not he did what he wanted for himself. ALSO, I just wanna point out-look where they're walking at the ending. They're not going to Ward's A, B, or C and the last scene is the lighthouse where they contin
FriendlyFireDuo 2 weeks ago
So ur sayin that at the end he gave up .. I think that Tedy has understand the hole thing that they were doing to him and at the last part he is saying that he was about to leave this island for good.. or die trying...
GiLoVaZz 3 weeks ago
I disagree, you are ignoring the theory that he is sane.
msmcla101 1 month ago
true. it was a good movie and interesting.
sairaj1 1 month ago
@ExtraStrongGeneral
marlongee409 1 month ago
Andrew is not really a monster. He didn't kill his children, he took his eye of the ball with his wife and thought that she would get better with time. He killed his wife true, but that was a crime of passion, overcome with grief and anger.
MrMarkhughes22 1 month ago
I believe that there were experiment going on in the island for a few reasons. One there was a general there or a military man , there are always military men preset when government experiments are being conducted. 2 chuck disappears in the movie for a while' maybe this was when he got brainwashed by the doctors . 3 a patient he interviews as teddy tells him to run in a note but when chuck his partner is away getting her water. I would love to be proven wrong because the movie still baffles me
Omiz8 1 month ago
I think he was getting drugged already on the boat when he smokes ciggaretes from the chuck. And it only got worse since, and that he was Teddy. That's what I want to believe.
Weallfaceit 1 month ago
I got one question Andrew dint die they just did the brain surgury on hem right the labotomy or whatever u call it
Mr0607098414 2 months ago
If you think this movie is confusing watch inception.
xXCSsoccer10Xx 2 months ago
@xXCSsoccer10Xx i understoud inception but didnt understand shit about shutter island
Alex19645 2 months ago
@TheIdeviceexpert1 Best buy on DVD for $14
locc2daBrain420 2 months ago
OMG I just realised something !!! Do you remember when Chuck disappeared ? Maybe he has been brainwashed and doctors make him believe he is a doctor too, and in this case, it would explain why at the end he smoke the cigarets they have been given... (sorry for my bad english i'm french)
lajingo 2 months ago
Does anyone notice that at after the Andrew(the now accepted form Leo takes)says the quote"live like a monster or die like a man" Chuck calls him Teddy?
mikejbona 3 months ago
@mikejbona holly shit you're right :o
lajingo 2 months ago
@mikejbona I think his partner "chuck" is still on role play mode..
d2echronic 1 month ago
where can I buy this movie?
TheIdeviceexpert1 3 months ago
k i'd like to say this. i've not read the book, but did watch movie. very intriguing, and also i DID understand the ending. (get it? D.I.D.? if not look it up). the confusion, progression/regression, questioning sanity, etc. at times i've wondered the same things as Teddy/Andrew. who's messed with my head, and why? if at all? Personally, I'd rather die as the "good" person i percieve myself to be, than live as the "insane" person some make me out to be. he was traumatized, not monstrous.
justuslightworkers 4 months ago
"The movie crams a lot of material into the last 10 minutes" The last 10 minutes where credits. :')
vistakillerhacks 4 months ago
whats lobotomy?
Theboxset 4 months ago
@Theboxset That brain operation thingy.
vistakillerhacks 4 months ago
talk faster fat man! got nothing stop huiming
strenght755 4 months ago
Well explained dude!
mbilalbhatti 4 months ago
i think i don't care
AngeliaClaire 4 months ago
i dont think thats totaly diffrent. (but it could be your argumation is correct) You forget that also in the End of the book his subconscious mind know that he is a Monster. So that sentence in the and make no diffrence imo.
hybrisss 5 months ago
I still don't understand who the woman was in the cave then. Was she REAL? Was she a doctor? Who was she?? and the crazy lady in the beginning who gives the "Shush" finger, WHO IS SHE?? Why did he tell him to shush, and the other woman wrote "RUN". There's a lot of confusing parts to this movie... like additives that don't have to be there, I don't know.
insidexistance 5 months ago
@insidexistance all of those moments were part of Andrew/Teddys fantasy world. Just details that he is making up to make teddys conspiracy theory about the island look real.
ExtraStrongGeneral 4 months ago
What throws me over, is me over is the woman he met in the cave.
Marine1996Us 5 months ago
Now did he actually kill his wife who killed his kids, or did the doctors just convince him that he did and he really was a good man? Think about that one. Everyone just goes with the simple explanation always that what the doctors said was true, but the movie also has the doctors as always being scheming and evil.
MrEvilJoey 5 months ago
I understood the movie for the most part, I just had a heap load of trouble understanding the ending - mainly when the guy is shot then when you look again there's no blood!
KellyXXD1 5 months ago
so in the end the people working and running the island are good normal doctors or bad people working on mental peoples brains??? i understand the Movie other wise please reply
wasayin 5 months ago
Thanks for this! NIcely expressed. :)
michelleziskind 6 months ago
I guess im still confused. So, did he kill his wife who killed the kids? And was he really in the hospital for 2 years instead of 2 days?! And who was the other guy?! A doctor or a Marshall?!
Augie1945 6 months ago
@Augie1945 Did you pay attention to the movie at all?
1: Yes he killed his wife, because she killed the kids.
2: Yes, he was at the hospital for two years, the two days we saw were a long roleplay in hope to cure him.
3: He was a doctor pretending to be a marshall.
oysteinre 6 months ago
I notice how alot of you mention how the fire means hallucination. It's a good theory because you can also think of the water as his subconsciousness. For example his wife is always wet as you might have noticed (means that she did drown the kids) etc. But there is a lot of other stuff that supports the other theory (that he really is teddy). Anyways, this movie is just as much a psychological experiment on Teddy as it is on the person watching it :)
Peace
gunsnmotley87 6 months ago
i feel bad
PentahedronX 6 months ago
You said " is it better to live my life as Teddy" Noooo Andrew was asking is it better to die as Teddy than to live as a monster not die as a monster. Fucking fail.
willbeechelon4eva 6 months ago
I don't think I'll ever come across a bigger plot twist than this story
HammerBaseBat 7 months ago
great video bro cause the ending of the movie kinda confused me well not the dialog but when it showed the light house i was like wait sooo they lied and everything about him wasnt true? but you cleared it up lol thanks alot
Yvalontino 7 months ago
thanks man really helped
BoomShakaKaka 7 months ago
i hate to say it but i wouldve preferred that instead of him actually being insane, there actually were nazi experiments going on.. and right at the end, just when theyve got him convinced, someone says something wrong that causes him to see theyre trying to trick him then it goes all taxi driver and he snags a gaurds piece and wastes all the nazi bastards.. i really wanted it to be that film.. :P
TheThroney 7 months ago
im confused what was witht he guy at the beggening was this whole thing in his mind cause the eneding had me mind fucked
cjb227 7 months ago
Started the video.. Woke up at the end of it...
pagihorn 7 months ago
@theXoriginalXnac
IIRC, (in the book) he stole the tie from a doctor.
acowa4104 7 months ago
@acowa4104 Actually is his tie, just finished the novel, Dolores gave it to him before the whole terrible thing
robertsom 7 months ago
altho good vid...:D
TheSuperArhum 7 months ago
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speak fast fatman....:P
TheSuperArhum 7 months ago
@TheSuperArhum
That video was from a year ago...when I was training for the olympics and really skinny. I've bulked up since then :-) I still can't believe it got 90,000 hits.
acowa4104 7 months ago 11
@acowa4104 Andrew asked: "What do you think is worse; To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
from what i can tell He is faking his regression and wants to be lobotomized because he cant live with knowing he let his wife kill their children and killing his wife in retaliation. he chose to "die as a good man". isnt that what he means?
ExtraStrongGeneral 4 months ago 3
@TheSuperArhum have some respect,,, you're probably ugly as fudge hiding trolling behind your screen
sarasm91 6 months ago
I say he was sane, he allows the lobotomy because he's saying that it's better to die as Teddy, the good man he knows he is, than to live a lie as a complete monster like Andrew.
killamanjaro306 7 months ago 26
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@killamanjaro306 basically summed it up, anyone with any questions refer to this comment, he nailed it (I say he was sane, he allows the lobotomy because he's saying that it's better to die as Teddy, the good man he -knows- thinks he is, than to live a lie as a complete monster like Andrew.)
qthaballa5 7 months ago
@killamanjaro306
that's what the uploader says as well.
siddharthjoshi91 3 months ago
@killamanjaro306 This pretty much made me understand the movie.. Thanks :)
Aleksandertangen 3 days ago
just watched it.....wwwwttttfffffffffff
Toastuhh 7 months ago
@junaid187 also during this time lobotomys were very popular during this time. One of the people at the end was holding some sort of case that looks like case that holds lobotomy rods and when they were in the lighthouse and the doctors were telling him what happened didn't they say if he regressed he would have a lobotomy?
MrBambiHam 7 months ago
I disagree. It is totally not a good ending. Chuck is willingly going away from his conscious living and decides to close himself in a mental fascility. Where is there any sign of a positive ending? The ending was actually a some kind of redemption that Chuck had decided to make upon himself. I love the movie. It made me think, especially in the end.
I also strongly recommend watching 'INTO THE WILD' (2007)
That particular movie has left a strong impression on me, espeacially the ending.
Kate.
weyda1987 8 months ago
Shutter Island is real masterpiece - great acting, directing, producing, everything. Some moments were even scary. Leonardo DiCaprio is real master (Leo acts even better than Johnny Depp). Ben Kingsley and Mark Ruffalo were great as well but I don't understand why so many people found the ending unpredictable. I predicted the ending after first 20-30 minutes. This movie is masterpiece but not as unpredictable as The Others, The Game, Identity, Fight Club, Cube 2 or The Prestige
Magnolia296 8 months ago
@MrAce831
I passed on sucker punch after watching the previews.
acowa4104 8 months ago
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@acowa4104 Andrew asked: "What do you think is worse; To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
from what i can tell He is faking his regression and wants to be lobotomized because he cant live with knowing he let his wife kill their children and killing his wife in retaliation. He chose to "die as a good man". isnt that what it means?
ExtraStrongGeneral 4 months ago
hey, i just watched the movie and I do have one question, what was the relavance of the island resembling Auschwitz? in the movie he makes a comment that one of the police officers resemble a Nazi and he has memories of the war and there is relevance to the war throughout the movie but what does it mean? why bring it up at all? reply would be great appreciated :)
impulseaddict 8 months ago
@impulseaddict
The movie setting was 1950's (post World War 2). Andrew/Teddy had served in WW2 and had been involved in concentration camp liberation activities. That's where those memories come from. FWIW - That was about the same time period as the labotomy was conceived. They also actually was a doctor that performed the icepick labotomy discussed in the book/movie.
acowa4104 8 months ago
@impulseaddict
The film is also comparing the dehumanization of Jews by the Nazis with the dehumanization of mental patients by the doctors (one of whom is a Nazi).
SmackMastersons 7 months ago
I think you have it the other way around.
If he carried on his life he would have to accept he was mental and the fact that he killed his life thus living as an evil man. If he let them end his life in the light house he could die thinking what he taught all along that he was a good man.
JUNAID187 8 months ago 2
@JUNAID187
Yes thats exactly how it is. The author of this video got it wrong.
zvocnik24 7 months ago
@JUNAID187 They were going to conduct a lobotomy, not kill him.
MrBambiHam 7 months ago
@MrBambiHam
Its set im1950 remember. They usually kill the most dangerous patients as they are a danger to society.
JUNAID187 7 months ago
sweet video but one comment. the ending quote is "whats worse, to live as a monster or to die as a good man?"
wags1533 8 months ago
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You are a massive faggot.
EshnehGaming 8 months ago
good video makes sense two
coleyoley3 8 months ago
They fucked his mind up, he knew he wanst crazy, he knew he was innocent, yet he had no choice, it was either die fast, or live his entire life in a world that he knew wasnr his.
ArmadaRanger 8 months ago
GOD DAMN! Could you PLEASE just talk slower??? I felt like punching my screen because of you. Please, see someone. I couldnt stand 1 minutes listening to you!! Sooo slow... And and, so so, so. Please, see someone!
sayeghpro 8 months ago
This is how I originally thought the movie ended the first time I saw it, but after I watched it a second time I became really confused. When Teddy says "Is it better to die a hero or live on as a monster?" I thought that he meant is it better to die as a martyr, a man coming over here to investigate these experiments, or live on pretending to be something that he's not (a criminally insane patient). Can you please explain to me how this interpretation is incorrect so I can sleep easy. lol
myke2147 8 months ago
Maybe they should make a return of shutter island haha
Jbain2020 8 months ago
@acowa, you mean the real person is Andrew and not Teddy???
yenzephyr 8 months ago
I just finished watching it....still confused... gonna watch the film again lol
1485x 9 months ago
i ended the movie right now and i must say that this ending is freaking awesome. Thx for your video, i wanted to figure out some things. But i prefer an ending where he doesn't relapse and he accepts the truth :(
ahgera 9 months ago
Hey man,
I didn't read the book; however, from your recount of the book's ending perhaps he did still knowingly accept the lobotomy.
If he states that he is "too smart", read between the lines.
Perhaps the author felt as though the book was misunderstood and clarified his intent in the movie by adding the additional line of "dying a hero or living a monster"
seanbeesh 9 months ago
It's quite obvious that they tried to make Teddy into believing he's insane (Andrew Laeddis) but in the end he knew what was going on in that Island and knew he had no way out. So he had 2 options: Live in the island as the monster they've created him to believe he is (Andrew Laeddis) or die as the hero he knows he is, a US Marshall. In the end you can see that they perform experiments on patients on the Island (like MK Ultra).
8gerrard8 9 months ago
just pointing out the fact that the last line of the film is actually chuck calling Teddy/Andrew Teddy when he is out of earshot.
CMSpida 9 months ago
Thanks for posting this! It cleared things up as it showed the tower at the end, and I thought that it was empty, and that's where they supposed to do the lobotomies.
psymaster1234 9 months ago
i thought the end was where hes in that bed surrounded by everyone having that dream then wakes up and admits hes andrew and then gets taken to the lighthouse?
dajohnnyboy252 10 months ago
he couldn't be cured at the end bc he still believes the lobotomies take place in the lighthouse, thats something he made up. In reality the lighthouse is empty...right?
kissfreak7888 10 months ago
@kissfreak7888 no, i think he *not leonardo irl, andrew in the movie* was 'acting',or in way, subtly letting 'chuck' know that he was indeed cured. notice how, right after he tells chuck that "yea, we are, aren't we?", even tho chuck looks over at dr. naering and dr. cawley, but andrew is looking over his shoulder, also looking at the two doctors. chuck shakes his head (meaning no, he is not cured), and before andrew is taken away, he asks if it's better to live as a monster, or die a god man.
Meezymike420 10 months ago
Wait, the real last sentence in this movie is: "Teddy?"
Why would Chuck/the Dr. call him like that? This confused me. I think Scorseze wanted this uncertainty regarding reality. Teddy was uncertain in which reality he really was, and so was I.
GlobalFatso 10 months ago
but when the movie first starts leo said that is wife died in a fife
punkass916 10 months ago
@punkass916 Yeah, but every time there is fire or mention of fire, I think that’s when he is hallucinating. That might be why. I haven’t seen the movie in a while, so I could be wrong, but I think that’s why.
lacexoxo22 10 months ago
So what does Teddy have, like PTSD, or schizophrenia or ?
AnaheimsWillyG 10 months ago
I just watched this movie and i think its making ME go insane
VISP4RT4NIV 10 months ago
Cheers for this man clears up a lot of questions I had :)
TheGoldenNostril 10 months ago
Dude I think you got 1 thing wrong. DiCaprio asks-"Which would be worse?To live as a monster or to die as a good man?" I think he essentially means to ask whether he should live with d guilt of having killed his wife or agree to lobotomy as Teddy Daniels though he's realised d truth already. You got it the other way round. Anyway I guess u essentially made us understand what's going on. :) I appreciate d video.
kayesdi 10 months ago 4
Acowa4104 thank you for posting! I love your interpretation of the movie. I too felt that..that is what was going on. I LOVED that movie and I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to post this. Well done! Love it! Ignore the faceless morons that like to talk *crap. Lmao and I loved your post "The key is to not let fat guys (like me) surf the web on your computer". Too cute and I love that you can laugh at yourself, great sense of humor! Thanks again! :-)
lacexoxo22 10 months ago
OMG could it be.... someone on Youtube who actually reads books??
1992VoodooChild 11 months ago
at the end he knows who he is , he remebers who he is but still goes with the lobotomy anyway , will he at least um survive the lobotomy. i dont really know the dangers of it but is there a possibility he can die from it??
milontua 11 months ago
Hey man, I love the video. Just finished the movie, and I must say the ending had me down haha. I appreciate the video. Ignore the haters too, they are all over Youtube. I will definitely subscribe man!
Rjasper499 11 months ago 14
@Rjasper499
Thanks. I don't mind the haters. Some of them are hilarious.
acowa4104 11 months ago 2
Still not a bright ending.
richig761 11 months ago
question: so does that mean that the whole thing about the brain experiments they were doing was true or false? because according to that lady in the cave, the turn people into believing they were murderers when they werent, but the ending explains that was false, but doesnt explain the presence of the lady in the cave or what she was saying.
ChairmanBlimp 11 months ago 4
@ChairmanBlimp
I assume the brain experiments were the labotomies. Remember, this movie is shot in the 50's when the labotomy was introduced. I would imagine it was thought of as a brain experiement back then.
To follow up on your second question: One theory out there is that whenever you see fire, "Teddy" is hallucinating. In the cave scene with the lady...there's fire.
acowa4104 11 months ago 2
@ChairmanBlimp The lady in the cave was a nurse that was play a role. Everybody made all up for Teddy, they want him to remember who he was.
Maryme1000 10 months ago
@Maryme1000 but at the end he gets taken to the place that he thought that exisited ??
XxsasXXassaultxX 9 months ago
@ChairmanBlimp The 'lady in the cave' was a hallucination! Fucked, I know.
DestinysNinja 9 months ago
I found it quite funny that the advert that popped up was advertising 5XL clothing. Anyways nice video man really well done. I think that both explanations (crazy or not) can be logically proven, and maybe that's what Scorsese wanted!
brapsherpa99 11 months ago 2
@brapsherpa99
That IS funny! I think the ads are driven to serve up things that people might click on so that youtube makes more money. The key is to not let fat guys (like me) surf the web on your computer. God only knows what might come up! One of the points that I was trying to make was "Did Scorsese change the ending that Lehane intended by adding the last line?" In interviews, Lehane has stated that "Teddy" was indeed crazy.
acowa4104 11 months ago 3
no i believe that he is asking
would he rather die a good man "teddy"
or live a monster "Andrew"
the only way for him to live would be for him to accept himself for andrew
XXFailzzzXX 11 months ago
Nerd
sexycanofspam 11 months ago
@sexycanofspam
Your user account name is hilarious.
acowa4104 11 months ago 26
@acowa4104 Ok, i'm going to say this. Can't we ask the writer of the movie what is the true ending? But there's a few things i'd like to point out. At the end he takes the cigarette from the Dr. if he was Teddy he wouldn't of done so because he knew that they were drugged where as he took which means at that point in time he believed he was Andrew which means you were right and that he was sane and that he faked being crazy just to get the lobotomy.
ZuFeHD 7 months ago
@ZuFeHD
There's a website called andyatthemovies that did ask him. It's a good read if you want to check it out. He said that Andrew/Teddy was insane. However, he didn't write the ;ast line of the movie in his book.
acowa4104 7 months ago
@acowa4104 Is it possible that in the book Andrew faked being relapsed as well as in the movie? Or does this website tell you otherwise?
ZuFeHD 7 months ago
Nice video, sir =)
You have a nice voice and you don`t rush it. Good for the ears.
And you make som good points.
A+
Regards from Norway
bonoloy1 11 months ago
@bonoloy1
Thank you. You are very kind. I've never been to Norway, but it seems like a really cool country.
acowa4104 11 months ago
at the end he was cured but he made it seem like he wasnt so that they will kill him thats why he says i would rather die as a good man and not live as a monster
artazan99 11 months ago
@artazan99
A lobotomy isn't going to kill him though. It will just calm him down so that he's not so violent.
acowa4104 11 months ago
@acowa4104 It will also erase all of his existing memories among other things. Artazan is right, he wanted to die then and that's why he made it seem as though he wasn't cured....Hence, he would live after the lobotomy but not with the memories of the past (and so, he wouldn't revert back to teddy since that's a defense mechanism that wouldn't be needed if he didn't remember; the function of the lobotomy). When you're lobotomized, you're pretty much dead (figuratively of course).
mousavsm 11 months ago
@mousavsm
There's a black and white video of the history of labotomy here on youtube. Back in the day, housewives were getting them. Some young children were given them. Watch the video. There's a lot of misconception about what it will and wont do. The video even discusses the ice pick labotomy that was discussed in Shutter Island.
acowa4104 11 months ago
@acowa4104 To the best of my knowledge (and I know little about lobotomies in general), it was used to sever the prefrontal cortex from other parts of brain. Apparently (I read) it was done to extinguish memories. This never made too much sense to me as this part of brain may be involved in memory, but is also involved in more complex behaviours (like reasoning, judgement, etc). Thanks for the advice though, I'll look it up.
mousavsm 11 months ago
Normally these self-made YouTube videos are stupid and I avoid watching them but I toughed through this one and I was glad I did. I don't know why I didn't notice that...I didn't catch on to the subtlety at the end there. I didn't read the book so I guess you'd have to read the book to pick up on the difference there. In either case, good analysis. I liked this film...it was nice seeing a film like that from the insane person's perspective instead of the usual...the whole film was a mind trip.
andyrooney12 11 months ago
@andyrooney12
Thanks. Very kind of you to take the time to post.
acowa4104 11 months ago
beautiful mind was 10 times better than this film,we dont really know if he was mad or not.why leave us wondering,does anybody know
spudman43 11 months ago
Ok that's not the correct interpretation. At the end he is in fact Andrew but by that statement he's referring to Teddy as the monster and himself Andrew as the good man. He's finally come to terms with the fact that he is indeed not a bad man. The monster is teddy, the worst inmate in shutter island, the most dangerous. He knows he can't deal with the pain and is going to regress back into Teddy in which case he's gonna be lobotomized anyway so why not get the lobotomy in his right state o mind
theomen84 1 year ago
great vid man! :)
davetrickis1 1 year ago
It's all about the U, take off that G Tech hat smh..
WadesKicks 1 year ago
@WadesKicks
I got to visit your campus this year. Cool place but probably not worth $45K a year. There's a video in my youtube from the game.
acowa4104 1 year ago
this is a so deep movie, never tought a movie whit dicaprio would be this good, fucking loved it!!! mindtwisting exiting and some scary in its own way, but i think he knew he went crazy but as you say he deside to remove that memory couse its the one thing that keeps him from being sane. he just fucks whit them in the end, he knows he gota do what he gota do unles he will just be stuck whit his bad memory of not saving his family, awseome movie!!!! 10 times more mindtwsting than inception!
preben187 1 year ago
this guys interpretation is one of many other possible ones...the movie is good and beautiful because u come up with the ending u want, or everything as a whole, like the fact he had a tie from the wife and used to explode the car, if he was dangerous he wouldnt b allowed to carry a tie around and all, so... endless possibilities
stormbre4ker 1 year ago
@stormbre4ker
I would search andyatthemovies website for the interview with Shutter Island's author. He gives his opinion there as to the ending.
acowa4104 1 year ago
@stormbre4ker There are many perceptions of the ending, but the most plausible and realistic scenario is one that aligns with what the guy on this video is saying. Andrew is clearly sane at the end and clearly knows what's going on. Just watch him when he says the statement to chuck (the statement that leads chuck to think that's insane again). At that moment, he knows exactly how everything is going to unfold because of what he said. He just doesn't want to live with it or revert to teddy.
mousavsm 11 months ago
@stormbre4ker And by getting the lobotomy he takes care of both. He no longer has to be the Andrew that knows of what happened in the past. So, Teddy will die as it follows logically since Teddy doesn't have to be made up to protect him from the past that he doesn't remember. Get it? That's why he says I would rather die now as a good man. He's inferring that once he comes back, what's left of him was inherently good and that's the man that will be there (Andrew, minus the bad memories).
mousavsm 11 months ago
5star movie ,and I agree it does have alot of confusion .
lordtundra2011 1 year ago
explaining the last line doesnt explain the ending of the movie.
blaiserfilms 1 year ago
subtitle fail
therandomist1 1 year ago
i think your wrong and you do t know what your talking about im smart (:
cooljay1213 1 year ago
@cooljay1213 I agree with him 100%
obadets3 1 year ago
@obadets3 hahah i have never seen this movie thus concluding that someone commented throw my account. so i don't know what your talking about sorry. but um i will comment as myself once i see the movie. =) oh plus i don't make my smilies like this :) but with the equal sign =)
cooljay1213 10 months ago
you explained it wrong. He asked if itd be better to live as a man who killled his wife. Or to die as the detective. He just by asking this question shows that the treatment has worked and that he has decided that he can not live knowing he is a murderer. So he chooses the labotomy.
snakeboy54 1 year ago
ok i think when he was fixed the 2nd he knew he was ok and understood everything but i dont think he could live with him self after seeing his kids dead and killing his wife and beeing crazy for 2 years
sTaxNick 1 year ago
Yeh, I didn't get that from the ending.. I got from the line, is it better to die knowing he was a good person and standing up for what he believed or to be live like the other guys there (being monsters and killing etc...)
Then by showing the lighthouse, it gave the connotation that he was right all along..
Also, he's a kinda cop and he shot a murderer for killing 3 kids? Would he really be imprisoned in a mental asylum for that?
prayerofthemantis 1 year ago
what is a labotomy?
Olividy 1 year ago
@Olividy
There's an awesome black and white documentary on youtube. I would watch that for a full explanation. With Teddy, they did an "ice pick" labotomy. You can see the ice pick wrapped in a towel at the end of the movie. The labotomy would not kill you. It would calm you down. They needed to do it because Teddy was violent and dangerous to the other patients and staff.
acowa4104 1 year ago
@Olividy thats like back in the days they use to cut some front piece your brain out that they thought made you go crazy to help you stop going crazy but some people really got messed up from it so they dont do it any more
DeepMonsterBlues 1 year ago
ok you dont understand cinema may frend ,
szabomihaiemil 1 year ago
@szabomihaiemil
My wife says the same exact thing...only she's better at spelling than you are.
acowa4104 1 year ago 11
32 ppl didnt understand the story
: )
avatarlord16 1 year ago
I DON'T THINK HE WAS CRAZY!!!!! I think they were just screwing with him and it isn't positive that they do lobotomize him it just shows the light house but the reason I say he isn't crazy is because there's so much on both sides saying he is or isn't but you may think differently plz tell me wat u thinl
cbrulz1 1 year ago
@cbrulz1
I think you should read the interview with Shutter Island author Dennis Lehane at andyatthemovies website. Go there and do a search on Lehane. He lets you know what he intended.
acowa4104 1 year ago
I personally think , the whole time Andrew knew what was going on , atleast a little bit , because if anybody remeembers when he was interviewing patients in that lounge , the one guy i guess tore apart a nurses face , then he talked about Rachel Solondo , and when the patient said "you know she drowned her own kids , gas the bitch!" , and then teddy started getting real pissed off and making the mark on his notepad with that pencil , does anybody see it like that?
cdurci 11 months ago
@cdurci Well you have to understand a bit of pschology here. The reason he started to scratch the pad was because he knew that guy (this is what we refer to as IMPLICIT memory). The reason he started doing that was to piss the guy off because he didn't want to hear about the drowning of the kids (something that tapped into his own REPRESSED memory bank). He did what he did as a reaction based on something. However, that something wasn't apparent to his direct memory at that moment in time.
mousavsm 11 months ago
@cdurci And remember, the whole purpose of the doctor was to ignite these memories that were repressed so deep into his mind that he couldn't access them directly (hence the multiple personalties to cope). This was just another way for the doctor to try and get him to access his own past and it started to tingle his own memory, and so, he scratched the pad since he had an implicit learning of what bothered the guy who was speaking at the time. This movie has a lot of pschology in it.
mousavsm 11 months ago
Another thing : after that "is it better to die as a man, or to live as a monster" quote, his personal doctor / friend calls for him as "teddy" but he does not answer or look back : he knows he's not Teddy, he's cured.
For me, 5/5 movie, it was one of the best movies i've ever seen on cinema.
TheLittleBag 1 year ago
put short he knows what his done he turns to his friend and lets him know that he is cured but cannot handle living so gos for the op!
22penners22 1 year ago
By showing the lighthouse as the very final shot, I'd like to think Scorsese opened up a 3rd possibility for this film.........
That Teddy's delusions were in fact real, the woman in the cliff was real .... that there is a secret government program that was testing on soldiers .... and that the "therapy experiment" was actually the lie that he was made to believe.
I feel like by showing the lighthouse at the end Scorsese might be at least suggesting that.
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago 4
@l33tpwnzord that's not the case. The final shot is to show that the lighthouse was in deed where the truth came out. The lighthouse was always gonna be the end of Andrew.
theomen84 1 year ago
@theomen84
I disagree but you are allowed to believe that.
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago
Georgia Tech hat----- woot woot
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago
@l33tpwnzord
Go Jackets. I just wish they made better looking Georgia Tech hats.
I see your point...the ending was kind of Twilight Zone. If you haven't seen the Andyatthemovies site, I would read the interview they did with author Dennis Lehane.
acowa4104 1 year ago
no you got the names mixed up, you mean he didnt wanna live as andrew laeddis because he let his wife kill his kids and he killed his wife, as teddy he was the good man
zito75fan75 1 year ago
I didn't read the book...and I didn't get this inference the first time watching the movie...but just before watching this I was looking for a clip of the ending...and I watched it and I totally agree with you at least as far as the movie is concerned. I think it follows the character that he was, even in his delusion, to do that...he questioned the cigarettes etc...he was looking for the truth and would have, I think, made that choice and he clearly, voluntarily went away with the doctors etc
em7srv 1 year ago
I definitely think he was sane the whole time in the movie. But in the book I think he was a schizophrenic. The movie and the book were so similar, yet so different. Hmmm...
MrAgentFunk 1 year ago
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stbby1975 1 year ago
(cont.)
I also think he never had children & that his wife really died in a fire. the real andrew died under the treatments at shutter island....
but overall, the whole movie can be interpreted differently, which i guess is of course why they even put it in there. it could go either way...
puzzake 1 year ago
Does no one think that he was sane all along; that he's really teddy daniels?? I don't believe that he was ever andrew.. how do you explain the woman who told him to RUN. and what about on the cliff, the real rachel wasnt part of trying to trick him because she warned him.
i think in the end, that sentence could mean that he knew he was never going to get off the island and that he would rather die a good man knowing that he knew the truth instead of being their puppet at shutter island.
puzzake 1 year ago
@puzzake, i totally agree. I thought i was the only one who thought he was sane before and sane after. Besides, they said the island housed the worsed of the worsed kind. Presumably, Teddy would have been housed in Ward C if he was an inmate. Yet, they let him roam the god damn island. And, the warden didn't even mention that they did lobotomies on the island, it was only George Noyce and Rachel Solando who told him this, and yet he knew he would get lobotomised in the end.
chafe11 1 year ago
@puzzake yes i agree totally but evryone seems to think different :/
D4NG3R1993 1 year ago
@puzzake You can certainly interpret it that way, but there are too many subtleties in the movie that suggest that what you're saying is incorrect. He likely had many disorders (in the psychology of humans you will find that many disorders are often seen together; comorbidity is the term). He was likely schizophrenic (symptoms=delusions, auditory hallucinations, higher purpose, PARANOID), DID (Andrew, Teddy), PTSD (from the war), among MANY OTHER THINGS. He was insane IMO, till the end.
mousavsm 11 months ago
Oh, see I was confused to the last line and why he let's the doctors follow him. That makes a lot more sense, because I thought that the book and movie ending would be the same.
Thanks
W385TER96 1 year ago
You said I'm suprised the author let the movie end that way or something to that effect. The author doesn't have any power at all after seLLing the movie rights.
redtron 1 year ago