This happens at universities all the time. You can challenge your grade. You might not be able to do anything about the professor and keep them for doing it to others but you should ALWAYS challenge a grade that you feel is unfair for any reason.
America was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded by secular people that saw the wrong in the bible and religious organizations. It was not until around the1950's that conservatives got control of the government and inserted a bunch of Christian god concepts into the government. America has not broken away from that since then.
It says "thou shall not kill" as in "murder". You do not kill someone out of hate. You kill someone out of protection. Whether it be your family or your people. And second of all, if his topic is about Atheism, then he should talk about Muslims and Christians and Buddhist, etc. They are part of what Atheist don't believe. If he didn't highlight them then he should be marked down. Thats like talking about WW2 without talking about US or Germany and just giving a death toll of Russians. Thats dumb
I did a similar persuasion speech, only mine was a the subject of creation in schools. At any rate, it was a piss poor effort on my part but I revealed I was an atheist. The look of pity on everyones face was just horrible, and my own instructor said that later on in life I will turn to God. Thinking about it is humiliating.
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
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God is angry with the wicked every day. Try that on for size. Oh no it's "hate speech". You know what is really hate speech? A bunch of egotists talking to each other and all exalting themselves to be their own god and pretending God isn't real and then spending their time CURSING GOD and telling people to "go to hell" even though they PROFESS to not believe in such things.
@warriorspikes51 Are you serious? 'Santa is angry with the wicked every day. You know what is really hate speech? A bunch of egotists exalting themselves, pretending to be their own santa and pretending Santa isn't real and then spending their time cursing Santa and telling people "you won't get any presents" even though they profess to not believe in such things.'
I don't exalt myself or pretend to be a God. Why do you think 'go to hell' can't be used metaphorically and is always literal?
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@micheal49 first, he didn't say Oklahoma is in the south, he said "someone with a southern accent." how about before you make some smart-ass quip to point out what you believe is an error, you actually first comprehend the statement you're trying to negate you mouth breathing shit chucker.
@micheal49 second, geography can be YOUR friend, dipshit. not only is oklahoma geographically in the southern bisect of the country, it is defined as a southern state by the U.S. census bureau. Also the people of the region identify themselfs as such and have considered it firmly in and a part of the territory known as Dixie since it was settled in the 1800's.
@micheal49 lastly, why would you assume that just because someone attends a university in Ok, they by default be considered "oklahomans"? the caller mentioned multiple times he was from austin, hell half the video was them trying to set up a beer night when he got back in town. You are fucking idiot and i haven't had an opportunity to crush a "youtube scholar" in awhile, so please respond and give me some more ammunition you gutless fucktard.
Interesting caller. But he makes a very common mistake in his comments about the 10 Commandments. The sixth commandment is not, "Don't kill," but, "Don't murder." There is a big difference. Unfortunately most translations get it wrong. BTW, I'm no big defender of the 10C. I'm an atheist who just thinks we ought to get it right when we quote the Bible against against theists. Some Christian, most Jews, and maybe even a few Muslims might know what it actually says. BTW I do know Hebrew.
That being said I would like to correct the callers quote of the Bible. He said the sixth commandment is "thou shalt not kill." That is wrong. The commandment reads "thou shalt not murder." There is an extremely fine line there but none the less there is a line. The teacher was VERY wrong in letting her personal opinion dictate this guys grade but I believe in most cases the tables are turned and it is a creationist, like me, who is getting a poor grade for standing by there beliefs.
@Nightrider231 i just have a small question... is "thou shalt not murder" a "direct" translation?... if it is, from which language? (since the bible wasn't originally written in english) it has been translated many times that it's hard to see things from your perspective.
as for what you said about creationism: if you stand up for your beliefs, that is great, but only if you have something good to back up those beliefs.
I am a Christian and i don't have a definitive opinion on the death penalty but i do lean more to the side of abolishing the death penalty accept for the most extrema cases like that of Saddam Husein who i know wasn't tried by the U.S. I'm just using that as an example of someone who, even though they are in prison, is still very dangerous and has a following that would go to extrema lengths to free such a person.
To me, it often seems like the death penalty is used for vengeance rather than justice or punishment. And I totally agree with you about the Saddam thing, that some people, like revolutionaries and such, are just too dangerous to be kept alive.
@Charmolution I agree with you. It sucks to be thinking ahead of your time, and I mean much further ahead than atheism, legalization of narcotics, and same sex marriage. The only place to discuss topics that are more controversial than those is 4chan.
haha, its just like when I wrote my social study task (in Norway btw) And I choose to point out the good things about the Soviet union, and how USA actually made it very hard for them to get up any system, and how USA suported bad shit crazy rioting groups, just because they were against comunism. And Im not a comunist, yet the teacher wrote that I should have pointed out the bad things about comunism to, LIKE I DID, LOL. Anyhows, I still got a B
@bresophil What isn't wrong with it? I lived there until I was 26, and still can't think of a redeeming quality. One of many cities where self inflicted ignorance was a good quality.
@bresophil Well. Take a typical story you've heard about an American city that has a bunch of religious people unwilling to really try and learn anything worthwhile and you've got Tulsa.
Wow, America sounds totally ass backwards sometimes. Atheism or at least lukewarm religion is pretty much the norm here so I have to say, I'm pretty shocked :l
@foxmcloud555 lucky bastard I have to live around a bunch of people who preach while not even know what they are talking about. Just the classic "God is good" thing and then the normal responce of "Ya if by good you mean enslaves and kills people" as a point that if there is a god he is an ass. Sometimes I wish I was in a country with more Atheists.
And why don't us smart atheist join up with the fucking secular protection groups. Where are they at? Let's stop being held down, ESPECIALLY you, mr grants and scholarships. Fuck that school, sue
I disagree with the title, As a student that lives in the bible belt, I can say I have not yet once been discriminated against. Atheist's are the hammer of Thor in the Academic community and Sciences, we are not the pariahs here. I feel quite welcomed by Christians at university and consider them my friends. Respect is a mutual thing.
Sadly, Tulsa University, although public, is run by crazy fundamentalists. Do not send your children there unless you want to pay for brainwashing instead of education.
Awesome, i did atheist as my final speech. I attempted to persuade the audience to accept us and treat us as equals. I'm fairly certain my speech made a positive impression on everybody there. I made analogies to discrimination against blacks to prove my point that the label atheist doesn't tell anything about the personality of the person the same way the color of somebodies skin doesn't. I got an A. I feel sorry for this dude, i would have went with him to the Dean on that issue.
ahhh, the classic "America is a Christian Nation" shit lmao. It really hurts me that my countrymen have such a lack of knowledge of basically everything. No idea of politics, history, science, or religion. I mean their own fucking religion is oblivious to so many of them. On a side note, Adolf Hitler rejected Catholicism early in his life, but the majority of his troops who did his slaughtering were Christian.
Hurray at grade inflation! I'm sure you deserved a high grade, but if somebody can get a 97% on a speech, while being nervous, there is either grade inflation or relativity going on here.... That's all I have to say.
There'll be hypocrites no matter where you go, whether Atheist or not. I don't think there are more differences between Atheists and Christians than there are similarities. We can criticise the other guys all day long, but we in the west are essentially identical in our day to day lives. If you move out of the developed "Christian" world you begin to find the differences to be more acute. It is my observation that there is more to appreciate in the "Christian" world than we may like to admit.
"Thou shall not breaketh one of the ten commandments or we will get the people to kill the people that did." -Moses inventing modern jurisdictional system as he comes down from Sinai
Objectively saying that atheists are less likely to go to jail than religious people perhaps can be left alone as just is without a counter or not, and the teacher can be atheist or theist when she considers that it might need to be more balanced. I'd say that she was trying to make the religion she was under not seem so bad, so she had a bias, not that bias is necessarily bad, to give counter consideration.
The caller had great points... but "Discrimination of Atheists in College?" That's a stretch. I spent 4 and a half years in college and know for a fact that most of the professors are non-Christians. It's not really a place where an Atheist can cry "discrimination," lol. It's the other way around if anything.
The fact that such things are still controversial in a nation which is believed to be advanced is simply mindboggling. No wonder I am from the Old World. Such things were fought here in the Middle Ages.
Anyway good luck with your cause. If you end up being stoned, the EU has comprehensive asylum laws. You can always give it a try.
i'm currently hoping that i get an atheist marker for my R.E. papers, i may have insulted christians, said that the bible was complete bull and called the pope an arse who murders people. i doubt a catholic would like that.
The problem continues that when people hear "atheist" they think "immoral baby-eating anachist madmen" without once considering the clarity and logic of what they say.
It is for this reason that I stand with Sam Harris that we should not entitle ourselves as atheists, but rather just be rational thinkers.
I do not get discriminated against in college... Then again I am in the philosophy and comparative religion departments where my views are more readily known. :)
orginal christians promoted athecisim and giving out all of your "earthly" stuff. while the ideas like presuite of happiness and secularity was develod by greece long before christians ever existed. our right are human by orgin. they are older then christianity and meany ways conflict with the, indoctorin of the church. while christians belived that it was natural law that women are to serve men, the constitution does not alow that. we have freedome of religion while your religion is against it.
I did an English report in college where I gave a straight assault on the dumb oppressive views of Christianity, and I was really brutal. Got an "A." My teacher was Atheist. :) Lucky there.
In an essay in my college English class I wrote a lot against the moral standing of Christianity and the flaws of basing our morals on such terrible concepts. I got an "A" on the paper. I presented it to the whole class with a lot of joy in seeing some of the reactions. It's funny.
sounds like the caller was at university, he lived in Austin yet was in education elsewhere, yet what sort of grading system is he under to think 87% is a bad grade? when i was an undergrad (in the UK) 70% was pretty damn good, and anything over was exceptional. if they are all getting over 80% that shows the marking system (or marker) is likely flawed.
It's actually more expensive to kill a prisoner than keeping him/her alive. The reason for this is because the Constitution (of America) requires a long judical process for these cases, in order to prevent innocent people to being executed. A death penelty can take decades to execute and all the while there are much costs to it.
And also, even if someone acutally is guilty of killing another person, is it not enough to take away their freedom? I'm sure there are alot of other ''inhumane'' ways to prevent prisoners to have a meaningfull life, why does it have to be necessary to kill someone just because the relatives of the deceased should feel relief? If the whole point is to ease others suffering, should you not consider the pain of the prisoners family? Just can't see the nessecity to killing a person for repentence
A) You must kill him, therefore doing to him legally what he did illegally
B) If he took a life, he should pay a life. Not by dieing, but being forced to labor for the benefit of society until the day he drops. Dieing just gets you out early.
C) Some humans don't like the thought of humans killing humans, no matter what.
D) Dunno?
E) A wasted resource. Using something you are about to kill that could be better used as a human "lab rat." At least at first.
"B) If he took a life, he should pay a life. Not by dieing, but being forced to labor for the benefit of society until the day he drops. Dieing just gets you out early."
You know, this is one of the better options I've heard....If we can make many things in prison more self sufficient, maybe the prisoners grow their own food, or work their way perhaps? It may be a better alternative to killing in most cases, and if one was found innocent, at least he's still alive...
I agree. I think truly incorrigible prisoners should be separated from society, but there's no reason they have to be in tiny cells doing nothing. Let them work in the fields for their food, watch films, read books, play instruments or have discussion groups, maybe after a while some could cook under supervision. Like a monastery. It's more humane. You could even build them all on islands if it made them more secure. The way we do it is both expensive and dehumanizing.
...because we respect life. If you respect your own, you should respect all other life.
By deciding who lives and who dies, we're putting an enormous, subjective power in uncertain, or changing hands.
Consider ill-behavior as a reminder that there is more mending and educating to do in a society. If a Government is responsible for its people, it should also be responsible for its failure in properly educating it's individuals. Killing them is a denial of that responsibility.
I am curious to know of your position on the 138 inmates that were exonerated since 1973. Also, do you believe that everyone before 1973 was guilty?
I will be simple about it. I am not against the death penalty as an idea. If you kill ten people, hell, I am for public torture. However, we have a flawed system and innocent people get killed. On paper I am for it, in practice I am against it. Something similar to Communism. On paper it sounds great, but in practice it's a horrible idea.
On top of all that, the majority of the people that were found to be guilt and later released were black. That brings up another set of problems that we have and that is why I am against the death penalty in practice if not in spirit.
@fatouche99 so we get rid of the death penalty or we get rid of appeals! Simple! (There is a tinge of sarcasm there, I don't support getting rid of appeals)
I gave the exact same speech last semester for public speaking. My persuasive speech was on atheism and morals. I presented it very tactfully (like walking on egg shells). Still, half the class LEFT the room. Not only did my teacher give me an F, she flunked me from the class (even though all my other speeches and journal entries got an A), AND she reported me to the dean. Next semester doesn't look good for me, neither does my grants and scholarships ;(
@phantomspellchecker Pretty fucked up story. But... it sounds like legitimate grounds to sue! I got kicked out of my high school because I "scared the teachers and students, smoked crack, and worshiped Satan." In reality, I was a friendly yet misunderstood youth (aren't we all), pot smoking atheist. Because misunderstanding=fear, weed=crack, and Satanism=Atheism!
@phantomspellchecker typical, christians love to bitch and moan about how much flack they get yet they are the majority and they regularly discriminate against whoever isnt in their cult. Fuck you you fucking hypocritical christian fucks, take your fucking bible and shove it up your ass.
You know what, that's so true! All the young people I know only mention God if they are specifically asked about their beliefs. I actually think that most people that believe in God don't think about him very much at all.
I would flip-shit if my teacher did something like that to me! If she tried to tell me that America was a christian nation, I'd probably point out the way the founding father's viewed the first nation's capital to be the first secular temple. I'd probably over-react, rant a while, before going immediately to drop that class; because if that teacher isn't competent enough to understand something that simple, than how can their teachings have any value?
Well, I'd say overwhelmingly that Christianity is the most popular religion in the United States - NOW. The point is its government was founded secularly.
@xxRockst4r I think that's partly because many of the pioneering settlers were religious nut groups escaping religious persecution from other christians.
Of course, once they were settled they set about persecuting other christians themselves.
@sincere2da Wait a minute now, that all depends what you use as what is a Christian nation. If you look at religious freedoms then we can choose any religion we wish. If you look at how many of the founding fathers were Christian, the answer is most. A few were atheist.
@pythor2 Blah Blah, semantics and point of view. Most of he forefathers were Christian. They allowed for freedom of religion, which means you don't have to be Christian. However, we were founded mainly by Christians on those values.
@drjackflash Um...No. Most of the forefathers were varied in religion, but not most of them were christian. The major leading forefathers were either atheist or deist. USA is not a Christian nation.
@pythor2 Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7% Presbyterian 30 18.6% Congregationalist 27 16.8% Quaker 7 4.3% Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7% Lutheran 5 3.1% Catholic 3 1.9% Huguenot 3 1.9% Unitarian 3 1.9% Methodist 2 1.2% Calvinist 1 0.6% TOTAL 204 The signers were those individuals who happened to be Delegates to Congress at the time. The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin.
@drjackflash So if 'most of the forefathers were christian' makes this a christian nation, then by your own logic, since ALL the forefathers were WHITE, you believe America is a WHITE nation. Wait this can be fun; All the forefathers owned slaves, so you also think that this is a slave owning nation. The founding fathers bathed maybe once a month, so you think this is an anti-bathing nation.
@MegaVolcano Have you happened to read the constitution or the historical documents over our history. The emancimation proclamation, etc... You have strayed so far from the point of this conversation to try and dilute the essence of the truth.
@drjackflash Actually I have read the Constitution, quite recently I might add, and no where does it mention that this is a Christian Nation. As a matter of fact it specifies that there shall be no recognition of any religion, or prohibition of the free exercise thereof. I've also read the Treaty Of Tripoli, where it expressly states that the United States was in no way founded on the christian religion. Perhaps you should try a little reading, yourself.
His teacher was wrong about the founders. It's true they were Christians and they based the law on the Christian concept of natural law but, they absolutely did NOT found America as a Christian nation. They founded it as a free nation with a secular government so that everyone would be free to practice whatever religion they want, or none at all.
@Piscivorus I think you're getting natural law in the secular sense mixed up with natural law in the theological sense. Secular natural law is the belief that rights are derived by certain absolutes. Christian law can't be natural by definition since God can redefine them whenever he wants. It abolishes the very idea that secular natural law resides on, which is the fact that human rights are inalienable, and no entity can revoke them even if they wanted to.
@Piscivorus You are horribly wrong. They said the 'creator' in a very ambiguous sense of the word, it could even be considered more pagan than xtain, but most agree it was masonic. Our founding fathers openly mocked xtianity, and that is a historical fact documented in letters they wrote to eachother, and what was recorded down. Only one or tow of our founders were xtain, the rest mocked the church and xtain faith.
@Piscivorus .................................... WTF is christian consept of natural law? bechose only christian "natural" laws that i know are that king is chosen by god, and that church owns you. the consepts of secularism came from roman philosophers and greece. those laws where secular at that time. when people say that being kind is christian do they mean that being kind is not buddhist? does that mean that its not buddhist to be kind? you shuld learn little history.
@Piscivorus The founders, well the major ones were deist and didn't care for Christianity. The first amendment is incompatible with the first commandment in Exodus 20(aren't called the Ten Commandments any where in the chapter, the actually Ten Commandments, ten of many, are in Exodus 34).
@Piscivorus There's no evidence they based our laws on christian natural law because they were christian, it was based off English common law... after they removed all stipulations enforcing religion. Christians always bring up the declaration of indipendance but that is not a document that makes this country. It's the constitution that created the US and the only part that mentions religion states it is to remain seperate from government.
@Piscivorus Actually, a good portion (I won't say most, but I'm sure it was) of the founders were atheist, and they were outspoken about it. More people go to church now than they did back then.
@66gt40 deism is the belief that there is a god that created the universe and the natural laws that govern it but has not intervened with it since the initial creation (this was the position of Jefferson, Franklin, Paine and others). Agnostic literally means not knowing and essentially means that one is unsure of gods existence.
@Piscivorus not actualy. the law is based on the idea of republic. not on any natural law. allso most of them where deists and some even atheists. so our law is older then christianity. allso most deists have inspiration from confucaism so that is other place to search, but definedly not christianity. christian idea about socaity is that there is absolute king and you must obey him bechsoe he is chosen by god.
This is why it's a bad idea to put people of faith in important positions of power and authority. They're crazy, unreasonable, and potentially dangerous.
i agree with the three guys below, you cant convince someone who isnt interested in finding out the truth. All the logical arguments, evidence, and debate is pointless to convincing them if they dont care if they are wrong or not. Hell they admit that when they call it faith (without good reason)
These guys live in America where about 85% of Americans are Christian. The reason they talk mostly about Christianity is because it is what the encounter most of the time.
First off, agressive atheists attack ALL religions.
Secondly, do you know how many religions there are in the world? Fucking hundreds.. and you want these 2 people to study every holy book of every single one of them?
Stop and think before you say shit.
These guys are living in America; a Christian dominated nation, and hence in terms of the talk show, they're going to get predominantly Christian callers.
It looks like you probably didn't graduate from college with this rant. I know what I am saying, but I don't care about this atheist crap anymore, I am looking at women dancing in G-strings and attacking white racist now. Atheism bores me.
And I am going out with white women and making bi-racial, (black and white) children. That is more fun then atheism.
Why do you say he did not graduate from college? Because he cursed? That only means that he didn't graduate from sunday school. I love to swear, I find it to be very exciting. Sure you dont swear at someone who you are trying to convince. But I am pretty sure he just wanted to tell you to fuck yourself anyways. Good luck with your interethnic relationship. I too enjoy such things. I dont see how that relates to your argument though.
This happens at universities all the time. You can challenge your grade. You might not be able to do anything about the professor and keep them for doing it to others but you should ALWAYS challenge a grade that you feel is unfair for any reason.
GenghisCohen1 1 week ago
America was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded by secular people that saw the wrong in the bible and religious organizations. It was not until around the1950's that conservatives got control of the government and inserted a bunch of Christian god concepts into the government. America has not broken away from that since then.
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It says "thou shall not kill" as in "murder". You do not kill someone out of hate. You kill someone out of protection. Whether it be your family or your people. And second of all, if his topic is about Atheism, then he should talk about Muslims and Christians and Buddhist, etc. They are part of what Atheist don't believe. If he didn't highlight them then he should be marked down. Thats like talking about WW2 without talking about US or Germany and just giving a death toll of Russians. Thats dumb
pokethehamster 3 months ago
This show should be titled, "The 50 Year Old Virgins"
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hanspeterpitsch 1 month ago
I did a similar persuasion speech, only mine was a the subject of creation in schools. At any rate, it was a piss poor effort on my part but I revealed I was an atheist. The look of pity on everyones face was just horrible, and my own instructor said that later on in life I will turn to God. Thinking about it is humiliating.
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God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
I did the samething tinging my persuasive speech
martystreets 4 months ago
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God is angry with the wicked every day. Try that on for size. Oh no it's "hate speech". You know what is really hate speech? A bunch of egotists talking to each other and all exalting themselves to be their own god and pretending God isn't real and then spending their time CURSING GOD and telling people to "go to hell" even though they PROFESS to not believe in such things.
warriorspikes51 4 months ago
@warriorspikes51 Are you serious? 'Santa is angry with the wicked every day. You know what is really hate speech? A bunch of egotists exalting themselves, pretending to be their own santa and pretending Santa isn't real and then spending their time cursing Santa and telling people "you won't get any presents" even though they profess to not believe in such things.'
I don't exalt myself or pretend to be a God. Why do you think 'go to hell' can't be used metaphorically and is always literal?
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
lol jeff dee always has this look on his face of utter disbelief, like he's ready to snap lmao
LOGIC42369 5 months ago
Tulsa, Oklahoma is not southern, Screatus. Geography can be your friend.
micheal49 5 months ago
@micheal49 first, he didn't say Oklahoma is in the south, he said "someone with a southern accent." how about before you make some smart-ass quip to point out what you believe is an error, you actually first comprehend the statement you're trying to negate you mouth breathing shit chucker.
maxdecphoenix 5 months ago
@micheal49 second, geography can be YOUR friend, dipshit. not only is oklahoma geographically in the southern bisect of the country, it is defined as a southern state by the U.S. census bureau. Also the people of the region identify themselfs as such and have considered it firmly in and a part of the territory known as Dixie since it was settled in the 1800's.
maxdecphoenix 5 months ago
@micheal49 lastly, why would you assume that just because someone attends a university in Ok, they by default be considered "oklahomans"? the caller mentioned multiple times he was from austin, hell half the video was them trying to set up a beer night when he got back in town. You are fucking idiot and i haven't had an opportunity to crush a "youtube scholar" in awhile, so please respond and give me some more ammunition you gutless fucktard.
maxdecphoenix 5 months ago
Its amusing to hear someone with a southern accent talk about college and classes and ...well anything educational lol
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Gorattin 5 months ago
Can I get a hell yah from all my Atheist Tulsans? PUN totally intended
rubberbulletsofsteel 6 months ago
@rubberbulletsofsteel Hell yeah.
I live right next to Tulsa myself, I'm an Atheist as well.
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redrum41987 6 months ago
Interesting caller. But he makes a very common mistake in his comments about the 10 Commandments. The sixth commandment is not, "Don't kill," but, "Don't murder." There is a big difference. Unfortunately most translations get it wrong. BTW, I'm no big defender of the 10C. I'm an atheist who just thinks we ought to get it right when we quote the Bible against against theists. Some Christian, most Jews, and maybe even a few Muslims might know what it actually says. BTW I do know Hebrew.
Kailoa36 6 months ago
@Kailoa36 lol they MIGHT have actually read it. lolz
Joker3797 6 months ago
lol christians downvoting.. how cute.
aegisgfx 6 months ago
This guy is lookin Matts job!
gazamused 7 months ago
Matt has a wikipedia page?
Oh yeah!!!
Way to go Matt!
(now we just need to make it bigger...)
TheRaivaaja 7 months ago
skipped lunch for a week for my research paper on atheism, i got a 73, bs a research paper on videogames for 2 hours, I get an 88
wtf
TheAtheistTaco 7 months ago
The stronger the belief, the narrower the mind
TheDano1947 7 months ago
That being said I would like to correct the callers quote of the Bible. He said the sixth commandment is "thou shalt not kill." That is wrong. The commandment reads "thou shalt not murder." There is an extremely fine line there but none the less there is a line. The teacher was VERY wrong in letting her personal opinion dictate this guys grade but I believe in most cases the tables are turned and it is a creationist, like me, who is getting a poor grade for standing by there beliefs.
Nightrider231 8 months ago
@Nightrider231 i just have a small question... is "thou shalt not murder" a "direct" translation?... if it is, from which language? (since the bible wasn't originally written in english) it has been translated many times that it's hard to see things from your perspective.
as for what you said about creationism: if you stand up for your beliefs, that is great, but only if you have something good to back up those beliefs.
Periph1989 7 months ago
I am a Christian and i don't have a definitive opinion on the death penalty but i do lean more to the side of abolishing the death penalty accept for the most extrema cases like that of Saddam Husein who i know wasn't tried by the U.S. I'm just using that as an example of someone who, even though they are in prison, is still very dangerous and has a following that would go to extrema lengths to free such a person.
Nightrider231 8 months ago
@Nightrider231
To me, it often seems like the death penalty is used for vengeance rather than justice or punishment. And I totally agree with you about the Saddam thing, that some people, like revolutionaries and such, are just too dangerous to be kept alive.
Charmolution 5 months ago
I disagree that atheism is the most controversial subject out there.
Charmolution 8 months ago
@Charmolution I agree with you. It sucks to be thinking ahead of your time, and I mean much further ahead than atheism, legalization of narcotics, and same sex marriage. The only place to discuss topics that are more controversial than those is 4chan.
buttshex 5 months ago
Good for Tony having the guts to speak his mind with his score on the line. This is intellectual honesty in action.
GermanChocolateCake 8 months ago
haha, its just like when I wrote my social study task (in Norway btw) And I choose to point out the good things about the Soviet union, and how USA actually made it very hard for them to get up any system, and how USA suported bad shit crazy rioting groups, just because they were against comunism. And Im not a comunist, yet the teacher wrote that I should have pointed out the bad things about comunism to, LIKE I DID, LOL. Anyhows, I still got a B
gulbirk 9 months ago
The guy in the vid is a fat-ass fucker
OldaurGold 9 months ago
@OldaurGold and your an idiot.
DjRalfy 9 months ago
Wow! I felt sorry for him at 0:11 seconds in. I grew up in Tulsa. Fortunately I got out and now temprarily live in Germany.
Thayer79 9 months ago
@Thayer79
Whats so bad about Tulsa?
bresophil 9 months ago
@bresophil What isn't wrong with it? I lived there until I was 26, and still can't think of a redeeming quality. One of many cities where self inflicted ignorance was a good quality.
Thayer79 9 months ago
@Thayer79
Well, I have no idea, I have never been even close to that place. Was just curious...
bresophil 9 months ago
@bresophil Well. Take a typical story you've heard about an American city that has a bunch of religious people unwilling to really try and learn anything worthwhile and you've got Tulsa.
Thayer79 9 months ago
@Thayer79
Ok, that doesn't sound too pleasant to be honest. So good for you you left.
bresophil 9 months ago
Wow, America sounds totally ass backwards sometimes. Atheism or at least lukewarm religion is pretty much the norm here so I have to say, I'm pretty shocked :l
foxmcloud555 10 months ago
@foxmcloud555 lucky bastard I have to live around a bunch of people who preach while not even know what they are talking about. Just the classic "God is good" thing and then the normal responce of "Ya if by good you mean enslaves and kills people" as a point that if there is a god he is an ass. Sometimes I wish I was in a country with more Atheists.
houkou1 10 months ago
@foxmcloud555 English? cos I'm English and i don't know anyone who is Christian apart from my R.E teacher.
MrBlandandboring 9 months ago
@MrBlandandboring Yep, I hadn't even heard of creationism till like 2 years ago either.
foxmcloud555 9 months ago
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This is why Christians should be strung up.
NormanAngle 10 months ago
And why don't us smart atheist join up with the fucking secular protection groups. Where are they at? Let's stop being held down, ESPECIALLY you, mr grants and scholarships. Fuck that school, sue
iliveon 10 months ago
I disagree with the title, As a student that lives in the bible belt, I can say I have not yet once been discriminated against. Atheist's are the hammer of Thor in the Academic community and Sciences, we are not the pariahs here. I feel quite welcomed by Christians at university and consider them my friends. Respect is a mutual thing.
matcotech 10 months ago
Sadly, Tulsa University, although public, is run by crazy fundamentalists. Do not send your children there unless you want to pay for brainwashing instead of education.
ZeDingoBlag 11 months ago
This happened to me in Wisconsin
Not limited to the south
override367 11 months ago
Awesome, i did atheist as my final speech. I attempted to persuade the audience to accept us and treat us as equals. I'm fairly certain my speech made a positive impression on everybody there. I made analogies to discrimination against blacks to prove my point that the label atheist doesn't tell anything about the personality of the person the same way the color of somebodies skin doesn't. I got an A. I feel sorry for this dude, i would have went with him to the Dean on that issue.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
thanks for sharing
FreeWebTutorialsRock 11 months ago
I actually really wanted to do my controversial speech on this topic when I became an athiest. Sadly it was 3 semesters after that class.
romperstompist 1 year ago
1:03
Notorious facepalm.
gunblade64 1 year ago 13
ahhh, the classic "America is a Christian Nation" shit lmao. It really hurts me that my countrymen have such a lack of knowledge of basically everything. No idea of politics, history, science, or religion. I mean their own fucking religion is oblivious to so many of them. On a side note, Adolf Hitler rejected Catholicism early in his life, but the majority of his troops who did his slaughtering were Christian.
autopsy87 1 year ago
Hurray at grade inflation! I'm sure you deserved a high grade, but if somebody can get a 97% on a speech, while being nervous, there is either grade inflation or relativity going on here.... That's all I have to say.
Anichels 1 year ago
There'll be hypocrites no matter where you go, whether Atheist or not. I don't think there are more differences between Atheists and Christians than there are similarities. We can criticise the other guys all day long, but we in the west are essentially identical in our day to day lives. If you move out of the developed "Christian" world you begin to find the differences to be more acute. It is my observation that there is more to appreciate in the "Christian" world than we may like to admit.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
We need a National day of Fucking. Why Not????
DesIlluminatti 1 year ago
@DesIlluminatti fuck yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
I also think Tony is full of shit....
JuanchoMan 1 year ago
"Thou shall not breaketh one of the ten commandments or we will get the people to kill the people that did." -Moses inventing modern jurisdictional system as he comes down from Sinai
David1531992 1 year ago
lol matts face palm
orca464 1 year ago
also in the last decade alone 15 people were executed that were later proven innocent.
over 300 people were on deathrow and proven innocent later.
Projectinnocence
TheLostGuitarist 1 year ago
that teacher should be fired.
Then tarred and feathered
Then dragged around a town by a chariot gladiator style.
TheLostGuitarist 1 year ago
Objectively saying that atheists are less likely to go to jail than religious people perhaps can be left alone as just is without a counter or not, and the teacher can be atheist or theist when she considers that it might need to be more balanced. I'd say that she was trying to make the religion she was under not seem so bad, so she had a bias, not that bias is necessarily bad, to give counter consideration.
AtetheistNutrients 1 year ago
Matt facepalms at 1 min in lol
BunionMann 1 year ago 39
The caller had great points... but "Discrimination of Atheists in College?" That's a stretch. I spent 4 and a half years in college and know for a fact that most of the professors are non-Christians. It's not really a place where an Atheist can cry "discrimination," lol. It's the other way around if anything.
instereovideos 1 year ago
@instereovideos Considering its America, and considering its -austin- you would expect more religious teachers would be in College's
ErikaAtheist 1 year ago
The fact that such things are still controversial in a nation which is believed to be advanced is simply mindboggling. No wonder I am from the Old World. Such things were fought here in the Middle Ages.
Anyway good luck with your cause. If you end up being stoned, the EU has comprehensive asylum laws. You can always give it a try.
SuperOldWorld 1 year ago
i'm currently hoping that i get an atheist marker for my R.E. papers, i may have insulted christians, said that the bible was complete bull and called the pope an arse who murders people. i doubt a catholic would like that.
Strikesnake1994 1 year ago
The problem continues that when people hear "atheist" they think "immoral baby-eating anachist madmen" without once considering the clarity and logic of what they say.
It is for this reason that I stand with Sam Harris that we should not entitle ourselves as atheists, but rather just be rational thinkers.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
lol at 1:05........
baahhhFATALITY11 1 year ago
I do not get discriminated against in college... Then again I am in the philosophy and comparative religion departments where my views are more readily known. :)
AbsurdumAnteMortem 1 year ago
Nice picardesque facepalm at 1:05..
leungchaan 1 year ago 2
orginal christians promoted athecisim and giving out all of your "earthly" stuff. while the ideas like presuite of happiness and secularity was develod by greece long before christians ever existed. our right are human by orgin. they are older then christianity and meany ways conflict with the, indoctorin of the church. while christians belived that it was natural law that women are to serve men, the constitution does not alow that. we have freedome of religion while your religion is against it.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
I did an English report in college where I gave a straight assault on the dumb oppressive views of Christianity, and I was really brutal. Got an "A." My teacher was Atheist. :) Lucky there.
Kiru26 1 year ago
In an essay in my college English class I wrote a lot against the moral standing of Christianity and the flaws of basing our morals on such terrible concepts. I got an "A" on the paper. I presented it to the whole class with a lot of joy in seeing some of the reactions. It's funny.
Kiru26 1 year ago 3
lol *facepalm*
MrBiomaniac 1 year ago
The guy on the left looks like he stole Dr. Oz's skin and is wearing him as a suit
TAz69x 1 year ago
sounds like the caller was at university, he lived in Austin yet was in education elsewhere, yet what sort of grading system is he under to think 87% is a bad grade? when i was an undergrad (in the UK) 70% was pretty damn good, and anything over was exceptional. if they are all getting over 80% that shows the marking system (or marker) is likely flawed.
bignastydragon 1 year ago
@bignastydragon Or that he has higher standards than you, or he and his classmates are smarter. Just sayin.
RockBanned 1 year ago
@RockBanned agreed
bignastydragon 1 year ago
@bignastydragon
nah its just that here in the US test grades are usually out of 100%. A 93-100 B 85-92 C 78-84 D 70-77 F 0-69
so he made a B if it was based off that
imbarisaxy 1 year ago
@bignastydragon 87% is a B. 70% borders a D. so that is not acceptable.
brownbigb 1 year ago
good show
BenchMarkd 1 year ago
no out come people
MegaMailbox 1 year ago
wow, his teacher better be out of the job
Akelpph41 1 year ago 39
I don't see how someone can be against the death penalty. If you know the person did it, they admit it and aren't remorseful at all.
Then why would you put yourself at risk keeping them alive, and pay money for them to eat and live?
Martial024 2 years ago
It's actually more expensive to kill a prisoner than keeping him/her alive. The reason for this is because the Constitution (of America) requires a long judical process for these cases, in order to prevent innocent people to being executed. A death penelty can take decades to execute and all the while there are much costs to it.
festsj 2 years ago
And also, even if someone acutally is guilty of killing another person, is it not enough to take away their freedom? I'm sure there are alot of other ''inhumane'' ways to prevent prisoners to have a meaningfull life, why does it have to be necessary to kill someone just because the relatives of the deceased should feel relief? If the whole point is to ease others suffering, should you not consider the pain of the prisoners family? Just can't see the nessecity to killing a person for repentence
festsj 2 years ago
For several reasons I can think of.
A) You must kill him, therefore doing to him legally what he did illegally
B) If he took a life, he should pay a life. Not by dieing, but being forced to labor for the benefit of society until the day he drops. Dieing just gets you out early.
C) Some humans don't like the thought of humans killing humans, no matter what.
D) Dunno?
E) A wasted resource. Using something you are about to kill that could be better used as a human "lab rat." At least at first.
coreygames 2 years ago 3
"B) If he took a life, he should pay a life. Not by dieing, but being forced to labor for the benefit of society until the day he drops. Dieing just gets you out early."
You know, this is one of the better options I've heard....If we can make many things in prison more self sufficient, maybe the prisoners grow their own food, or work their way perhaps? It may be a better alternative to killing in most cases, and if one was found innocent, at least he's still alive...
TurboDally 1 year ago
I agree. I think truly incorrigible prisoners should be separated from society, but there's no reason they have to be in tiny cells doing nothing. Let them work in the fields for their food, watch films, read books, play instruments or have discussion groups, maybe after a while some could cook under supervision. Like a monastery. It's more humane. You could even build them all on islands if it made them more secure. The way we do it is both expensive and dehumanizing.
bcgonynor 1 year ago
...because we respect life. If you respect your own, you should respect all other life.
By deciding who lives and who dies, we're putting an enormous, subjective power in uncertain, or changing hands.
Consider ill-behavior as a reminder that there is more mending and educating to do in a society. If a Government is responsible for its people, it should also be responsible for its failure in properly educating it's individuals. Killing them is a denial of that responsibility.
smokeyflea 2 years ago
I am curious to know of your position on the 138 inmates that were exonerated since 1973. Also, do you believe that everyone before 1973 was guilty?
I will be simple about it. I am not against the death penalty as an idea. If you kill ten people, hell, I am for public torture. However, we have a flawed system and innocent people get killed. On paper I am for it, in practice I am against it. Something similar to Communism. On paper it sounds great, but in practice it's a horrible idea.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago 3
On top of all that, the majority of the people that were found to be guilt and later released were black. That brings up another set of problems that we have and that is why I am against the death penalty in practice if not in spirit.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago
@Martial024
FYI Execution actually costs more than lifetime incarceration because of appeals.
fatouche99 1 year ago
@fatouche99 so we get rid of the death penalty or we get rid of appeals! Simple! (There is a tinge of sarcasm there, I don't support getting rid of appeals)
Scardy 1 year ago
I think this guy is my favorite caller, though theists are always entertaining.
Belloran24 2 years ago 3
Epic facepalm @ 1:04
Ormaaj 2 years ago 3
I gave the exact same speech last semester for public speaking. My persuasive speech was on atheism and morals. I presented it very tactfully (like walking on egg shells). Still, half the class LEFT the room. Not only did my teacher give me an F, she flunked me from the class (even though all my other speeches and journal entries got an A), AND she reported me to the dean. Next semester doesn't look good for me, neither does my grants and scholarships ;(
phantomspellchecker 2 years ago 29
There must be somewhere you can report that.
Dan7Bow 2 years ago 5
Isn´t there some way to get that tried at some other level? In sweden that would firstly not be tolerated, secondly not legal.
Hope it works out for you
surlagachette2 2 years ago
Don't worry. I got it taken care of. I got my grade raised to a B.
phantomspellchecker 2 years ago
@phantomspellchecker Pretty fucked up story. But... it sounds like legitimate grounds to sue! I got kicked out of my high school because I "scared the teachers and students, smoked crack, and worshiped Satan." In reality, I was a friendly yet misunderstood youth (aren't we all), pot smoking atheist. Because misunderstanding=fear, weed=crack, and Satanism=Atheism!
sillymonkey829 10 months ago
@phantomspellchecker what kind of wacky sunday school college do you goto? :/
TheHumbleCat 10 months ago
@phantomspellchecker what kind of wacky sunday school college do you goto? :/
TheHumbleCat 10 months ago
@phantomspellchecker typical, christians love to bitch and moan about how much flack they get yet they are the majority and they regularly discriminate against whoever isnt in their cult. Fuck you you fucking hypocritical christian fucks, take your fucking bible and shove it up your ass.
wohodude100 10 months ago
@phantomspellchecker Holy crap man, what backwater burg do you go to school in?!?!
gmkern1 10 months ago
@phantomspellchecker
You know you live in a fundie city when...
Charmolution 5 months ago
I don't even know any religious people under the age of 40.
Kynos1 2 years ago
most of the ones i know were either major whores in highschool or ex-drug addicts.
nomilkforsanta 2 years ago
You know what, that's so true! All the young people I know only mention God if they are specifically asked about their beliefs. I actually think that most people that believe in God don't think about him very much at all.
mfentruck 2 years ago
I would flip-shit if my teacher did something like that to me! If she tried to tell me that America was a christian nation, I'd probably point out the way the founding father's viewed the first nation's capital to be the first secular temple. I'd probably over-react, rant a while, before going immediately to drop that class; because if that teacher isn't competent enough to understand something that simple, than how can their teachings have any value?
my 11 year old sibling knows better!!
86adamleon 2 years ago 3
I think that's from obama's speech
dlf716 2 years ago
"founded as a Christian nation"?
Here is a quote from the US constitution:
"The united states of America is not, in any sense, founded as a Christian nation".
OWNED!
Hjernespreng 2 years ago 8
I think that's actually the treaty of Tripoli, but awesome nonetheless!!!!
CGW129 2 years ago 2
I'm in Tulsa. :(
princesstamika 2 years ago
1:03
*face palm*
That's a pretty adequate reaction to what was stated
xD
LtZerge 2 years ago 5
Americans needs to learn American History therefore they do not say stupid things such a "USA is a Christain nation".
sincere2da 2 years ago 155
Well, I'd say overwhelmingly that Christianity is the most popular religion in the United States - NOW. The point is its government was founded secularly.
vivalaleta 2 years ago 4
Americans cannot handle entire paragraphs at a time, they can only obtain in their memory the repeated rants of short picket signs
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
@sincere2da I know, I hate this, especially since the founders were explicit that the state not promote any one religion, or any.
RockBanned 1 year ago
@sincere2da yes we are a free nation. this country was founded by people who wanted to escape religious persecution
lancevancedance 1 year ago
@lancevancedance and funny enough, America is one of the most religious western countries and has the most religious nuts.
xxRockst4r 1 year ago
@xxRockst4r I think that's partly because many of the pioneering settlers were religious nut groups escaping religious persecution from other christians.
Of course, once they were settled they set about persecuting other christians themselves.
queenastilon 1 year ago
@sincere2da Wait a minute now, that all depends what you use as what is a Christian nation. If you look at religious freedoms then we can choose any religion we wish. If you look at how many of the founding fathers were Christian, the answer is most. A few were atheist.
drjackflash 1 year ago
@drjackflash Please read the Treaty of Tripoli. USA is not a Christian nation.
pythor2 1 year ago
@pythor2 Blah Blah, semantics and point of view. Most of he forefathers were Christian. They allowed for freedom of religion, which means you don't have to be Christian. However, we were founded mainly by Christians on those values.
drjackflash 1 year ago
@drjackflash Um...No. Most of the forefathers were varied in religion, but not most of them were christian. The major leading forefathers were either atheist or deist. USA is not a Christian nation.
pythor2 1 year ago
@pythor2 Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7% Presbyterian 30 18.6% Congregationalist 27 16.8% Quaker 7 4.3% Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7% Lutheran 5 3.1% Catholic 3 1.9% Huguenot 3 1.9% Unitarian 3 1.9% Methodist 2 1.2% Calvinist 1 0.6% TOTAL 204 The signers were those individuals who happened to be Delegates to Congress at the time. The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin.
drjackflash 1 year ago
@pythor2 The eight foreign-born... were all natives of the British Isles.
Except for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism
drjackflash 1 year ago
@drjackflash So if 'most of the forefathers were christian' makes this a christian nation, then by your own logic, since ALL the forefathers were WHITE, you believe America is a WHITE nation. Wait this can be fun; All the forefathers owned slaves, so you also think that this is a slave owning nation. The founding fathers bathed maybe once a month, so you think this is an anti-bathing nation.
MegaVolcano 11 months ago
@MegaVolcano Have you happened to read the constitution or the historical documents over our history. The emancimation proclamation, etc... You have strayed so far from the point of this conversation to try and dilute the essence of the truth.
drjackflash 11 months ago
@drjackflash Actually I have read the Constitution, quite recently I might add, and no where does it mention that this is a Christian Nation. As a matter of fact it specifies that there shall be no recognition of any religion, or prohibition of the free exercise thereof. I've also read the Treaty Of Tripoli, where it expressly states that the United States was in no way founded on the christian religion. Perhaps you should try a little reading, yourself.
MegaVolcano 11 months ago
His teacher was wrong about the founders. It's true they were Christians and they based the law on the Christian concept of natural law but, they absolutely did NOT found America as a Christian nation. They founded it as a free nation with a secular government so that everyone would be free to practice whatever religion they want, or none at all.
Piscivorus 2 years ago 83
@Piscivorus I think you're getting natural law in the secular sense mixed up with natural law in the theological sense. Secular natural law is the belief that rights are derived by certain absolutes. Christian law can't be natural by definition since God can redefine them whenever he wants. It abolishes the very idea that secular natural law resides on, which is the fact that human rights are inalienable, and no entity can revoke them even if they wanted to.
F33bs 1 year ago
@Piscivorus You are horribly wrong. They said the 'creator' in a very ambiguous sense of the word, it could even be considered more pagan than xtain, but most agree it was masonic. Our founding fathers openly mocked xtianity, and that is a historical fact documented in letters they wrote to eachother, and what was recorded down. Only one or tow of our founders were xtain, the rest mocked the church and xtain faith.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@Piscivorus it's debatable how many of them were actualy christians
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@Piscivorus .................................... WTF is christian consept of natural law? bechose only christian "natural" laws that i know are that king is chosen by god, and that church owns you. the consepts of secularism came from roman philosophers and greece. those laws where secular at that time. when people say that being kind is christian do they mean that being kind is not buddhist? does that mean that its not buddhist to be kind? you shuld learn little history.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
They were not Christians. Most were deists.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 14
@1RadicalOne No kidding! Jefferson had GREAT disdain for Christianity.
keithpetro 7 months ago
@Piscivorus well they werent even all christians.... thomas jefferson certainly was not.
wimpylassiter2336 1 year ago
@Piscivorus Well, many of them were in fact Christians, but many of them were in fact not - Thomas Jefferson, for instance.
sluttyfrogmagician 1 year ago
@Piscivorus The founders, well the major ones were deist and didn't care for Christianity. The first amendment is incompatible with the first commandment in Exodus 20(aren't called the Ten Commandments any where in the chapter, the actually Ten Commandments, ten of many, are in Exodus 34).
HybridD91 1 year ago
@Piscivorus There's no evidence they based our laws on christian natural law because they were christian, it was based off English common law... after they removed all stipulations enforcing religion. Christians always bring up the declaration of indipendance but that is not a document that makes this country. It's the constitution that created the US and the only part that mentions religion states it is to remain seperate from government.
roylinfordadams 1 year ago 2
@roylinfordadams actualy hitler belived in "christian natural law". or that he actualy called his murder of jews.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@Piscivorus i'm pretty sure they also happened to wear belts. but that doesnt mean they founded America to be a belt wearing nation
robertwc82 1 year ago
@Piscivorus Look at all the monuments with Scriptures and how Washington DC is laid out with a cross.
steffyb528 1 year ago
@Piscivorus Actually, a good portion (I won't say most, but I'm sure it was) of the founders were atheist, and they were outspoken about it. More people go to church now than they did back then.
66gt40lm 1 year ago
@66gt40lm No, they were deists. The numbers in Christianity are falling while atheism is rising.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 I thought deist and agnostic were like a subcategory of atheist.
66gt40lm 1 year ago
@66gt40 deism is the belief that there is a god that created the universe and the natural laws that govern it but has not intervened with it since the initial creation (this was the position of Jefferson, Franklin, Paine and others). Agnostic literally means not knowing and essentially means that one is unsure of gods existence.
darklordrandy 1 year ago
@darklordrandy Yes, but I thought they were still technically a subcategory of atheism since they don't believe in a specific god.
66gt40lm 1 year ago
@66gt40lm No, Atheism is the lack of belief in God/Gods at all.
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Piscivorus not actualy. the law is based on the idea of republic. not on any natural law. allso most of them where deists and some even atheists. so our law is older then christianity. allso most deists have inspiration from confucaism so that is other place to search, but definedly not christianity. christian idea about socaity is that there is absolute king and you must obey him bechsoe he is chosen by god.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@Piscivorus Many of them were deists, and i can quote several anti-biblical statements from them.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
This is why it's a bad idea to put people of faith in important positions of power and authority. They're crazy, unreasonable, and potentially dangerous.
Piscivorus 2 years ago 10
Damb, I am atheist and I am for the death penalty.
daobagua 2 years ago
i agree with the three guys below, you cant convince someone who isnt interested in finding out the truth. All the logical arguments, evidence, and debate is pointless to convincing them if they dont care if they are wrong or not. Hell they admit that when they call it faith (without good reason)
boorens18 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Have you ever noticed that many atheists will attack Christianity, but very few will ever attack Islam.
Actually, most atheists are afraid of Islam. Why is that?
Why do they attack Christianity with ease, but will not say one word against Islam?
It is because they are cowards.
These guys are cowards.
jsmith19091 2 years ago
first off, they do not pick who calls since its up to the person to call, secondly, islam is not as arrogant as christianity.
islam is very easy to pick apart buddy
KKKK1213 2 years ago 2
These guys live in America where about 85% of Americans are Christian. The reason they talk mostly about Christianity is because it is what the encounter most of the time.
infector101 2 years ago
Have a fucking think about it, dumbshit.
First off, agressive atheists attack ALL religions.
Secondly, do you know how many religions there are in the world? Fucking hundreds.. and you want these 2 people to study every holy book of every single one of them?
Stop and think before you say shit.
These guys are living in America; a Christian dominated nation, and hence in terms of the talk show, they're going to get predominantly Christian callers.
Endnote: FUCK. YOU.
mitch73kill 2 years ago
It looks like you probably didn't graduate from college with this rant. I know what I am saying, but I don't care about this atheist crap anymore, I am looking at women dancing in G-strings and attacking white racist now. Atheism bores me.
And I am going out with white women and making bi-racial, (black and white) children. That is more fun then atheism.
jsmith19091 2 years ago
Nope, im only half a year into it.
But basically, you got pwnd.
Either that, or you're just trolling.
mitch73kill 2 years ago
Why do you say he did not graduate from college? Because he cursed? That only means that he didn't graduate from sunday school. I love to swear, I find it to be very exciting. Sure you dont swear at someone who you are trying to convince. But I am pretty sure he just wanted to tell you to fuck yourself anyways. Good luck with your interethnic relationship. I too enjoy such things. I dont see how that relates to your argument though.
daobagua 2 years ago