ahmadi brothers ,think if there is no Eisa (peace be upon him) to come, where you found that mirza ghulam ahmad sahib will come as Eisa or messiah maood. Mirza sahib also claimed tobe Eisa bin Maryyam.AT the same time, you claim that no Eisa(peace be upon him) will come and say that mirza sahib came as Eisa and messiah maood. same time no and very same time yes?
@REALYFRIENDLY : Human come to this world ONLY once. Jews were also told about the Return of an old Prophet Elijah. Had he returned? NO. Didn't Jews rejected Issa (as) as their Messiah because Elijah didn't returned FLYING from SKY? Was it NOT Issa (as) himself who clarified that John has come as Elijah?
Didn't Prophet (saw) Warned that 72 sects of Muslims are going to REPEAT the mistakes of Jews?
[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
[4:158] Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
@Baqiatullah : "And if WE pleased, WE would have RAISED/ELEVATED him thereby; but he inclined to the earth and followed his evil desires" Al-Quran 7:176. What is meant by Allah raising a human in this verse? Certainly EXALTATION of Spiritual Status.
"Fly/Run towards Allah" Al-Quran 51:50. What is meant by Flying/Running towards Allah in this verse? Certainly EXALTATION of spiritual status.
Pleases also ponder upon 2:156, 17:93, 19:57, 29:26, 37:99
My question to all Muslims is that why are the days of Jesus birth, death and resurrection "BLESSED". There is something unique taking place on all these three incidence. Ghamdi's stating that Jesus death & being raised is no different is short sightedness on the part of this Islamic scholar, I have great respect for. Islam needs scholar like him to have a better understanding of Islam. One cannot ridicule & label him for just this.
Surah Yunus 94 could provide the answer.to this dilemma.
@Christthebridge : The day of birth, death & resurrection of ALL THE PROPHETS ARE BLESSED. There is nothing unique with Jesus in this regard. Since, Jews use to Allege Jesus birth as illegitimate & his death as CURSED - this is the reason that Allah explicitly mentioned his birth, death & resurrection as Blessed.
@dawah1 :To take Jesus sinless status and sugar quote other prophets is being arrogant and ignorant. The Quran calls people who do not recognize the Spirit of God as progeny of Satan - Pls don't be one. Jesus is the only one to be born of God's Word and Spirit. Ever one born of "thukum' Sperm shall taste death. Was Jesus the product of a sperm like all other Prophets or not - what say you.
@Christthebridge: Dear, Although Jesus (as) was a Prophet of God BUT there was NOTHING Unique in him. Birth without male inter-action is not unique for Jesus (as). There are many species which give birth without the interaction of male. Even in Human some child are born with both male & female systems. Birth within such a child is scientifically possible.
All Prophets are given a NEW Birth through WORDS of Allah Breathed into them through angles. NOTHING UNIQUE WITH JESUS (as).
@dawah1: U r presenting a fallacious argument,similar to what the homosexual give to justify their act. Man is Ishraf-ul-Mukliqat & u are degrading him - let alone Jesus. Today a virgin girl through in-vitro fertilization can conceive that does not take away the miracle of Hazrat Marium being conceived by God Word and Spirit. Nothing unique in capital letters just shows your stubbornness and a mind that has been indoctrinated. I will checkout MTA and thank u for the link.
@Christthebridge : If the the FACTS & ground realities are " fallacious argument" arguments while fairy tales & Myths like Dead raising back to life here on earth & then bodily ascending to God are Rational & logical then I cannot further comment.. I myself was a Sunni Muslim, who was born listening many fairy tales & Myths in the name of religion. But I couldn't digest them. My search for Truth & rationality brought me to Islam-Ahmadiyya which is the MOST Ration approach towards religion.
@dawah1 Heavy reliance on FACTS takes away from FAITH & a person ends-up an Atheist - be very careful. I do like the Ahmadiya's ground to earth behavior,but when we talk of God we r talking of the Spiritual things which r beyond our present rational & logic (R&L), What's ur R&L for Jesus making birds our of clay & putting life into them or raising the death or multiplying the 5 loafs & 2 fishes. What's ur R&L for Mr.Mirza Ghulam Ahmad being the Messiah.
@Christthebridge : There is a difference between spirituality & Myths. God has granted power of reasoning to human ONLY & religion is for Human not for animals. Thus Religion has reasoning otherwise it must have been for creatures not having reasoning.
Prophets come to create spiritual human, who can have high visions & to give spiritual life to spiritually dead & not physical life to Physically dead. For my R&L about Hadhrat Ahmad to b Messiah {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
@dawah1;To take Jesus sinless status and sugar quote other prophets is being arrogant and ignorant. The Quran calls people who do not recognize the Spirit of God as progeny of Satan - Pls don't be one. u did not post my earlier response,I would like u to tell me was Jesus a product of Sperm "thukum" like most other prophets or the one to be born of Gods Word and Spirit & u state that there was nothing unique with Jesus - I challenge u to an open debate on this.
@Christthebridge : You are MOST welcome to have an OPEN Debate on this at MTA-Al-Arabia. Contact 24 hours Satellite channel for debate on this issue. Your debate will be telecast LIVE around the globe.
I fondly look forward to the possibility of ( 2nd coming of Jesus a.s ) its happening. I don't rule out that possibility, because, after all, it is mentioned in some reliable ahadith.
@JOB4HOME : Those who are passed away are NEVER returned to this world. rather other comes after their names & titles. Jews were also told about Return of Elijah before the coming of Messiah. So, when Jesus (as) claimed to be Messiah then they rejected him saying that WHY FIRST ELIJAH HAS NOT RETURNED? It was Jesus (as) himself who gave the verdict that once gone from this world people never return rather others come after their names & titles. He said John has come as Elijah.
@jaan321: First of All be informed that we are Ahmadi-Muslims. This verse is talking about Raising to Life After the Death which is common for all human beings. Every human has to die & to raise to life again on the Day Of Judgment. This verse is saying that all these three occasions (which are common to every human being) there is PEACE of Issa (as).
Muhammad Shaykh said that Eisa was died just before nailing him on Cross. This is lie this impostor is spreading. Truth is, that he was nailed on cross. Was removed from cross when in deep coma. His friends Josph of Armithia & expert Physician Nicodemus treated his injuries with abt 80 kg Aloe Vera that is potential healing herb. Once he healed, he fled back to india secretely with family where he already spent his age from 12 ro 30 yr. Our freak Mullahs has attached this TRUTH to Qadianis.
Grand MUFTI Egypt SHEIKH MUHAMMAD ABDUH (1849 to 1906)
"The celebrated scholar of Islam, Mohammad Sheikh Abduh of Egypt maintains that the stories of a living Jesus in the heavens and his second coming were inserted into our Ahadith centuries ago by Christian scholars so that Christianity may seem to be superior to Islam"
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Mr Gahmidi, this is a big lie that Angels lifted him up bodily. This is a non-sense tht u are spreading in ur videos. Eisa was died and is buried on earth
@Factszz hello mr.... ghamdi didnt said tht ESSA (a.s) was raised up with his body... he said very clearly tht it is the same words tht we say after a common persons death... so a common person is nt bodily raised but the spirit u can say is raised... hope u understood... and plz if u dont understand somthing plz dont coment wrong abt someone thnx....
i think you people didnot study the quran and hadith jeses was the prophet of ALLAH he didnot die and the angel took him to the skies.and when the qayamat will come he will sent back to earth and he will rule on the earth for fourthy years and then he will killed dajal.DONT LISTEN THIS MAN.HE IS LIER.
@obaidish : No verse of Quran & no Hadith says that Jesus was PHYSICALLY Raised to Allah. Allah is not limited in space like us so that a physical journey is needed to attain His nearness.
Jews wanted to Kill Jesus on the cross to prove him a CURSED Man instead of a Pious man & a Prophet. it is in Bible that whoever die on cross is a CURSED Person. So in Quran Allah said that Jews could not Kill him on the cross rather Allah raised his spiritual status.
میرے مسلمان بھایوں اور اسلامی بہنوں، ہر ایک عالم اس دور میں اس کی مرضی کی کرنے کو کہتا ہے کسی نے سوچا کہ اللہ کی کیا مرضی اور نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کا کیا طریقہ تھا اندھی تقلید چھوڑیے اور اپنایے اللہ کی مرضی کو اور اتباع رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو پھر کامیابی ہے اللہ پاک نے فرمایا مفہوم ہے کہ اللہ کی رسی کو مضبوطی سے تھاموں۔ کسی مولانا کی تقریر کو نہیں۔ جو قران میں ہے وہ حق ہے اور نبی ص کی صحاتۃ ستۃ صحیح کو استعمال میں لایے۔
For those who doubt this video, please read verse 3:55 and notice the arabic. The arabic word "mutawaffi" means death. The root word here is "tawaffi" which can be cross referenced to verse 39:42 which describes that before death takes place, God orders his angels to "tawaffi" the soul of the humans. This word is typically translated as "death"but in this verse, most translaters dont translate it as such. I think this is due to their preconceived notion of the bible and hadees that jesus z alive
@ah05075 : Why don't you seek for Prophet's opinion? Our beloved Prophet (saw) foretold that at the time of numerous (i.e 73 sects) ONLY ONE will be on the Right path while all others will be misguided. He (saw) also foretold that the sect following the Messiah of the time will be ONLY guided one.
@ah05075 : When Prophet (saw) was asked about the ONLY saved sect - he (saw) said "The ONLY saved Jamah will be that one who will be following my & my companions footsteps". Another sign of that ONLY group was foretold by Prophet (saw) as "Al-Jamah".
Today only Islam Ahmadiyya is one who is subject to similar situation as Prophet (saw) & his companions were subjected by non-believers. We are also persecuted for reciting Kalima, offereing 5 times prayers etc. & only v r Al-Jamah having an Imam
@dawah1 No human knows who is the on the right path or not. If this was the case, why do we all read in the salah "Eh dinas sirtal mustaqeem"???? The right way to obey Allah is to obey what the messenger gave us. What did he give us and what was his message? The Quran. Read 6:19 and 29:50-51 and 21:10
@szuberi : I agree with you that NO individual can say for sure that who is on the Right path & who is on the Wrong path. Allah will decide it on the "Day of Judgment". However, Prophet (saw) through knowledge from Allah had foretold that at the time of Split 72 sects will be on the wrong path while ONLY one similar to him & his companions will be on the Right path. Thus we all must try to understand the message underline in that hadith so that we may be among the Righteous.
@dawah1 If Allah told the messenger that there will be 72 sects, why is not recorded in the Quran? Its a simple question brother. If this prediction is so very imortant, why is it missing from the Quran. If indeed that hadith is true and divine, then Quran is not complete and there are two parallel sources of islam. Why doesnt the Quran say this that there are other books narrated by the prophet that we must read? Its Mr. Bukhari telling us about the prophet...not Allah.
@szuberi: Can't you see 73 sects today with your own eyes? There r Muslims cutting throats of other Muslims. There r Muslims prostrating at graves of human peers. There r Muslims doing every Shirk in the name of Islam & yet every thing seems OK to you. This time of 72 sects going astray was to come & this is the reason that Allah said that Subordinate Prophet was to come at this time of Darkness. Al-Quran 7:35
@dawah1 You are right that muslims are haywire today and are on the wrong path but this doesnt mean that hadith of 73 sects is true. 73 sects means 70 and 3 sects. There is no such list anywhere. I am taking this number in literal sense and i have not heard from anyone that this hadees means anything else.
@szuberi : Dear, spiritual text contains metaphors - even Quran contains allegorical verses. 73 means - too many. No Hadith speaks about Jesus (as) ascension. Yes, ahmadith speaks about coming of Issa (as) but earlier scriptures proves that name/title of past prophets are given to the Prophets to come. Divine guidance can never stop. Quran tells that whenever there arise need Allah will send Prophets.
@dawah1 The prophet did not know the future except for what was revealed to him in the Quran. Without the Quran, he was just another human like you and me. This 72 sect story is not in the Quran so it can not come from him. Think about this.
@szuberi : This is the reason that Allah told him that "O children of Adam, Whenever Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing MY Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve" Al-Quran 7:35
So one has to believe in Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian whom Allah has sent as Subordinate Prophet in order to revive the true spirit of Islam.
@dawah1 Verse 7:35 is by no means a prophecy for any mr. qadian to come. are you serious? the verse is talking in a general sense that those who fear God follow the messengers when they are sent from among them. does the quran prophecizes mr. qadian to come for all of us by name? NO. If Allah didnt say this...how can you put words in Allah's mouth. Very disappointing brother
@szuberi : 7:35 CLEARLY speaks about Messengers to come in future as well. How can divine guidance can cease? Specially at the time when religions in general & Islam in particular has become one of WORST faith on earth as far as its followers are concerned?
@dawah1 While i disagree with all that ahmadiya islam stands for since there is no basis for its belief in the Quran, i wholeheartedly agree that you guys should not be persecuted for your beliefs. The pakistani govt. is full of corruption and plays God to ban you guys. Then they attack your mosques and places of living and worship. This is such a crime against humanity.
@szuberi : For you Islam-Ahmadiyya has no base in Quran. For me today ONLY Islam-Ahmadiyya has basis in Quran as compared to all other sects. Then who will decide that who is right & who is wrong? Will Allah NOT send someone to settle such opposite views and understanding based on same book?
@dawah1 Your base is not the Quran. Your base are the man made books of hadith that have no support from the Quran. Even if your understanding of 7:35 is correct (assuming), nowhere Allah tells us that the messenger to come will be named MAHDI. If we remove man made books of hadith out of this case, the bottom of the dish is empty.
@szuberi : Alhamdo-Lillah our based is Quran. Nowhere Quran says that Subordinate Prophets will not come ever! Can you show me single verse in Quran saying that There will be NO Prophet of Any Kind ever? Quran 4:69 clearly promise subordinate Prophets to come.
When Muslims are divided into numerous sects on the interpretation of Quran & situation is itself demanding divine guidance then why Allah will not send anyone?
@dawah1 i personally dont believe in sects. Allah almighty never did, i am a muslim, believe in 7 articles of faith, Muhammad PBUH is the seal of the prophets, do the DO's and forbid the DON'Ts. ofcourse we will have differences but are they that fundamental that u disobey Allahs' verdict the Qur'an. look we can agree that Qur'an is the word of God but not hadith, these are narration of people ascribing them to the prophet, some true and some false (weak).
you are absolutely correct. The verses in the Quran that talk about events from before Muhammad's life and events after his life is the unseen that was revealed to him by Allah. One verse of the Quran says that in these ayats we reveal to u what's in the ghaib. Books of Hadith are not the ayats of the Quran.
this not what javed ghamidi is saying. dont believe this lie. listen carefully to what he is saying. he's NOT saying that jesus had died and been taken.
Jesus is also quoted sa saying in the Quran that as long as he is alive, he has been ordered to perform salaat and pay zakaat. If he is alive in heaven, to whom he is performing salaat and paying zakaat? Quran is absolutely clear that Allah gave death to jesus and raised/elevated him in rank. 'Mutawwafi' means physical death in the Quran.
Wen a delgation of 60 men frm Christians of Najran came to the Prophet (S), their chief priest discused with him the status of Jesus & asked him as to who Jesus' father was. Prophet said: 'Do you not know tht a son resembles his father?' They replied: 'Yes'. He said: A lastum ta'lamuna anna rabbana la yamutu wa anna Isa ata 'alaihi-l-fana', i.e., Do u not know tht our Lord lives for ever while Jesus perished."
(Asbab an-nuzul, by Imam Abu-l-Hasan Neshapur, publishd in Egypt,p.53
Which is translated as: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
According to 5:117-119 Jesus will say on the "Day Of Judgment" that he was witness over his followers till his توفیٰ (Taking-up as per your translation) and that after that Oh my Allah you was witness over them.
If the same Jesus/Issa is to return and see his followers taking him as LORD & rectifying their beliefs then how can he say that "He was witness over his followers till توفیٰ Taking-up ONLY?"
According to 5:117-119 Jesus will say on the "Day Of Judgment" that he was witness over his followers till his توفیٰ (Taking-up as per your translation) and that after that Oh my Allah you was witness over them.
If the same Jesus/Issa is to return and see his followers taking him as LORD & rectifying their beliefs then how can he say that "He was witness over his followers till توفیٰ Taking-up ONLY?"
@dawah1 Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses kill swine and abolish Jizya, and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 1, p. 92).
4) Such Abundance of wealth that No one will accept it
These all are metaphoric statements. Therefore the coming of Jesus is also metaphorical i.e someone having similarities to him was to come. This is the reason that Prophet (saw) had mentioned different appearances of the Jesus of the past and the Jesus to come in Bukhari.
@jaminjava2 : Prophets Never come to KILL SWINE, Break material crosses & to distribute worldly wealth - all these are metaphors. Therefore the Issa to come is also a metaphor. Meaning that someone similar to him was to come from the ummah.
@dawah1 Good post and i agree. If he had just returned after breaking the cross and stuff, why would Allah ask him what he said about him and his mother to people? He would have replied...well i just returned after breaking the cross so whats the point of this question? lol
@szuberi : Religious history proves that once gone from this world people Never return. Rather others comes after their name & character. Jesus was NOT to return in person rather A Subordinate Prophet similar to Jesus was to come. Who has come & alhamdo-Lillah now True Islam established by him has spread in 190 countries of the world.
@dawah1 dude plz stop following conjecture. first of all, you are taking this coming of an un-named messiah outside of the quran. quran mentions no one by name so thats why man people in the history have claimed such prophethood lol
second, if indeed mr. qadian was some sort of a divine person, what did he accomplish? the world is still full of war and ish today.
i rather believe in something that is confirmed by the quran isntead of following others blindly. quran is complete for me.
@szuberi : These are Mullahs not I who are following Fairy Tales & Myths that Human can Fly to Allah without Space Shuttle & is living there for thousands of years without taking food.
Hadhrat Ahmad had succeeded in making a Jamat of True non-terrorist Muslims who is servicing humanity around the globe. type "Ahmadiyya as viewed by others" and watch videos of world known leaders acknowledging Ahmadiyya achievements.
Can u tell me that what previous Messiah achieved in first 100 years?
Reason: The Arabic language is very rich language; and one word can means different meaning; in this verse, it means Meeting not Death; and Allah knows better.
Which is translated as: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
mohdqazi786: Can you present a single example from entire Arabic usage that where Allah is subject & Human is object then "توفیٰ " ever meant other than separation of soul from the body? Either partially & temporarily as in Sleep or Completely & permanently as at the time of death?
Please make sure to do little bit of research before posting something wrong.
All verses quoted in the video is correct but incomplete or out of context; somehow the speakers plays a role as a misleading, mis-communicating; misinterpreting or mistranslating.
this stupid person dont know the Quran....it means that before this Ghamidi no one understand the meaning of islam only these people understand the Quran
The whole Muslim Scholars believe that Hazrat Esha Alive....there is even no single scholar in islam before 1800 centre who believe Hazrat Esha died...this is happend in 1900 centre......
Dear brother, i agree that this is somethig new which we are hearing today. But many centuries ago, there was no media to spread any message. Nowadays there are so many ways of communication faster. However, please remember that on the last day you will be asked about what you believed and rejected when the message came to you (read 2:141), not what scholars belived in. Why do you have to judge today's scholars by past scholars???...Allah has given every person his own power of intelligence.
Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, - O Allah if this person Javed Ahmad Ghamdi is saying what he is saying, O Allah punish him. O Allah punish this liar, who has lied against you and your beloved Messenger Muhammad (s.a.w). O Allah punish this liar, because he has accused the best companions of your beloved Messenger (s.a.w).
O you Liar, bear in mind that you will be held accountable in this World and in the Hereafter.
Jesus brith and his comming back is clearly mention in bible. so for muslim qurn has to confirm these two thigs. quran is confirming Jesus Birth clearly but i dont see any were in quran clearly mention of Jesus is live and he will come back.
1)Qura'an does not talk about any coming Masih or Mahdi.
2)The initial hadith literature (that is Mawta Imam Malik) there is not a single hadith which talk about coming of any Masih.
3)All the hadith which talk about coming of Masih are of later generations and most probably they are copied either from Shia source or from Christian sources.
So there will be no Mahdi and their will be no Isa in the future.
hijiitsme4u: The purpose of this video is merely to tell those Non-Ahmadi Muslims who THINK that Jesus' ascension & coming back is UNANIMOUS belief of all Muslim scholars that such assumption is Absolutely WRONG.
It is a fact whatever Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian said was already there among scattered Muslims & that he didn't brought anything new.
Actual Culprits & Deceivers are Mullahs who are even erasing Kalima & sacred names of Allah & Muhammad (saw) {watch?v=XynKJMo9MIE}
ghamdi you are great one and getting a sensible person,,,great job ,,,just you should carry on this and make good anylesis for the people who dont know the right knowledge,,,,,just now you should be an AHMADI,,,AND accepte the MASIH MAOUD ,,,MIRZA GHLAM AHMAD QADIYANI ,,,WHO is the promised MASIH
HE IS NOT STILL AHMADI???but he is telling right to you people ,,,i pray for him to be an ahmadi because the AHMADIES are the right muslims,,,,ALLAH is with ahmadies....may ALLAH bless on ghamdi and he will be the future ahmadi......
it is written hazrat Esa (A.S) is the sign of judgement day, so he is the one who god has created with no father , so god is the one who can do any thing he wants, he have given us alot of signs like these in Quran and said that in thees are the signs for those who wants to find them that there is surely a God and there will surely b the day of judgement..
Saud7000: Quran also says that "Breaking of Moon" (i.e Shaqal-Qamar) is the sign of HOUR. So, does it mean that The Day of Judgment occurred just after "Breaking of Moon"?
Secondly NO where Quran says that JESUS IS THE SIGN OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. Can you show that verse having these words?
Birth without father although rare but is not against the established laws of nature. Only Allah is Unique and has NO alike otherwise everybody else including Jesus has alike.
Ghamidi fitna hai shaitan hai kafer hai. Quran Hadith ke hukam per apna hukam lagata hai khud Kias kerta hai. Ghamidi kaya koi mufti hai ye Qadiani agent hai. Is se to Shia kafer better hain ke ghalat ya sahee jo bhe kerty hain apny liya hukam Quran Hadith se nikalny ke koshish kerty hain. Halanki hamesha ghalat hadith bataty hain. Ghamidi laanti to khud ko Quran, hadith aur Rasool pak se ooper samajhta hai ke apna hukam lagata hai. Ye shaitan hai kafer hai wajab al qatal hai.
آپ جس کو مرضی کافر کہیں مگر یاد رکھیں کہ ٓنحضرت نے فرمایا تھا کہ صرف ایک حق پر ھوگا جبکہ باقی تمام بہتر فرقے جہنمی ھونگے۔ آج بہتر فرقے ایک طرف اور ایک ایک طرف ھے۔ ملا کہتے ہیں کہ بہتر حق پر جبکہ صرف ایک (احمدی) کافر ہیں۔ فیصلہ آپ پر ھے کہ آنحضرت کا فیصلہ مانیں یا ملا کا۔
For Mister Ghamdi & all readers information, read Quran & Hadith before believing.
(Surah 43:61). "And (Isa) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgement): Therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: This is a Straight Way ".
Few Hadith to add;
Al-Bukhari Vol 3, No 425;
Al-Bukhari Vol 3, No 656;
Al-Qudsi, Vol 1, No 36;
Sahih Muslim, No 1348 & 1352
If Ghamdi's claims are correct then all above are invalid.
"May Allah save us from Fitnatil-Masihid-Dajjals".
fahdalizai : Do not put words in Allah's mouth. 43:61 doesn't contain the words u mentioned. It simply says that "And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.[Pickhtall Transation]
Although Ahadith speaks about descend of Issa but Bukhari clearly indicates that Issa 2 come among Muslims is a different one from the Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw in Miraj alongwith all other passed away Prophets.
The translation of quran you are taking is interpreted differently from where I have taken. Secondly, could you please provide me a reference of Bukhari hadith that "clearly" indicates that there are two Issas and the second one will be different from previous? Now i think you are trying to push your ideas with reference to the Last Holy Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (SWA).
fahdalizai: I know that u have taken Yousuf Ali Translation of the verse 43:61 which contain too many brackets in order to make Quran say which is in translator's mind.
In Bukhari, everywhere when Prophet (saw) mentioned the Issa whom he met with all the passed away Prophets he (saw) mentioned his appearance as "Redish/White with Curly Hairs". Whereas where-ever the Prophet (saw) had mentioned the Issa to come then he (saw) described his appearance as Wheat like color & with lank hairs.
Whenever we need to understand Quran clearly, we have to understand with reference to the situation it was reviled. If you read through hadith references i provided and then read Quranic verse, the Yousuf Ali's translation would be more reasonable.
Now regarding the Bukhari issue, with all due respect, to me it is just your interpretation. The word "clearly" has to have a clear reference not interpreted meaning.
May Allah provide us guidance to understand his word clearly.
fahdalizai : In Bukhari there are MULTIPLE Ahadith about Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw with all passed away Prophets & the Issa 2 come in future. In all Ahadith, about Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw with passed away Prophets, the appearance is mentioned as Redish/White with curly hairs. Whereas in all Bukhari Ahadith the appearance of Issa 2 come is described as wheat color & lank hairs.
Then there r multiple ahadith further clarifying that Mahdi & Issa r one & the same & NOT two diff persons
@fahdalizai its written that hAzrat Esa (A.s) is the sign. it means that he had no father , so God is the only one who had give him birth with out father, ther is alot of signs like this for people who wants to find the true path..
Saud7000: Still there are many species which give birth without male inter-action. Thus birth without father is NOT against the established laws of nature.
There are many others who are believed to be born without Father. Thus Jesus is NOT unique in this regard.
Allah saved Prophet (saw) through the web of spider which is weakest thing in the world. But for miracles Allah do not break His own Laws of Nature.
TheKashifajmal : Read the history. There are many who are believed to be born without the father. Jesus (as) is NOT unique in this regard.
May children r born with both the sexes built-in in them. If such child is not operated and one type of sec organs removed then a child birth within is possible without external inter-action. Science doesn't deny such a possibility.
faisalmasoodsunny in world 99% people dont speak Arabi,, it means Islam and quran is not for them??? So dont think you only understand Arab language,,, Second thing... Does Rasool Ullah and his Ashaab never believed that Hazart Essa AS is still alive... First Ijmaa of Ummat was on this issue when Rasool Ullah SAW died and Hazrat Abou Baqar recited this verse,, which states all prophets before Rasool Ullah SAW died...
thedon003, how can you call anyone Kafir, who gave you this Authority,Allah told you to say that aur ke kahiN Quran maiN likha hai ke logoN ko Kafir kaho.
Please think before you say anything. Allah ko gawah bana ker yeh jawab do ke keya tum Allah se yeh roz Dua mangte ho Allah mujhe Sirate mustaqeem per chalne ki tofiq ata farma aur gumrahoN ko hidayat bakhsh. Yeh fatwa kahaN se le ker aaye ho.Kon hu tum deen ke thaike dar ho.Jao pehlay apna muhasiba kero aur Allah se daro
My mother tongue is Punjabi. My national language is Urdu. I am doing business in broken English moreover, Allah has made my religion in Arabic the language more then 99.99%? Pakistani even don't speak, read, write, and completely don't understand.
Traditional Islamists call everyone who even slightly disagrees with them a kafir. They also think you have to follow a madhab to be a Muslim. Quite annoying.
thedon003 - How can you can call anyone Kafir,Allah gave you this authority, who allowed you to say that. ek hi lafaz seekha hai tum jaise jahiloN ne.Had ho gai hai, Apne greban maiN jhankoN keya tum roz itni dua ker te ho Ke Allah mujhe seedhe raste per chala, aur jo gumrah haiN un ko Hidayat bhaksh, keya kafir kehne ki bajaye yeh ni liksakte, Ke Allah sab ko Hidyat de. Please think before you say anything. Mr. Deen ke thaikedar
& yes dear the way you use specific verdicts from the same person while discarding his other verdict and misquoting things and using only those parts of documentaries which support you then why do u make objections if someone else does it. While the case is that all the things the ppl quote aginst Mirza r true.
satalcapone: Dear, All Muslims proudly mention that Non-Believers of Mecca use to say our beloved prophet (saw) as "Sadiq" 7 "Amin". So, does it mean that we must also accept every saying and allegation of the non-believers of Mecca against the Prophet (saw)?
Everyone knows that even opponents admitting greatness & piousness of LOVED ONES of Allah is a clear proof of their Truth.
Dear Br. Iqbal and other then scholars did praise mirza as he was defeating christian scholars that time but later he changed his loyalities to the queen of britin. I dont agree to this way of exposing. Its exteremly nude. And the by the way as per Sahih Ahadeeth Mirza didnt kill the Dajjal...?And is in it true that Mirza sahib was suffering from Malikholia (Miraaq)? Reply Plz
satalcapone: In the video I referred you, Prof. Mahdi Hassan is shown saying that Alama Iqbal praised Hadhrat Ahmad till 1935 or as per non-Ahmadi writers till 1908 i.e till his death.
Hadhrat Ahmad (as) has killed Dajjal by proving from the Bible itself that the False LORD of Christians was merely a man who lived, died & BURIED like all other human.
Can u tell me that with what diseases the Prophet Ayub was suffering?
I dont agree Br. I still say that Mirza used slang language for example you read out his book "Aarya Dharam, pg75, 76 Mandarajah Roohani Khazain pg, 75, 76, written by Mirza Qadiani"
What kind of language and poetry is that, calling names and character assasination. you beleive in such a man??? y my dear y???
satalcapone: You gave me two specific quotes & I proved that Mullahs have committed dishonesty by twisting the quotes & by hiding part of the quotes. All allegations against Promised Messiah (as) r of similar nature. Visit Anti-Islamic sites & u will find exactly similar allegations even against the most exalted Prophet (saw) of the universe.
Pl watch the other side of the picture as well before concluding IF U REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE FACTS.
Plz dont compare Mirza with prophets bcoz the scriptures prophets were promulgating and propagating were purely from Allah and there were no slang words in those scriptures while Mirza has a great record of using abusive language regarding Jesus AS and Ulama e Karaam. I can quote you a few if you want.
satalcapone : Brother. you are free to believe that Hadhrat Ahmad (as) was not a Subordinate Prophet like non-Muslims are free not to believe Muhammad (saw) was the greatest Prophet. But No one can snatch the right of others to believe what they sinceely believe to be Truth.
Hadhrat Ahmad (saw) NEVER used abusive language about the Issa whom he himself is named after. He had pointed out those preists about what they themselves had written in their books about whom they take as LORD.
satalcapone : These are the Mullahs belonging to 72 sects about whom the Prophet (saw) had said that "They will be the WORST Creatures on Earth". About these WORST Creatures promised Messiah has also used harsh words but as a expression of Truth & not abuse.
Like Quran term some non-believes as Base-Born (i.e. doubtful birth or bastered)68:13 & WORST Animals 8:55
Mirza has used blasphemous language aginst Jesus AS as he mentioned in Maktoobat e Ahmadiya, Pg. 23-24, Vol.3
"Masih ka chaal chalan kia tha aik khao piyu sharabi na zahid na aabid, na haq ka parastar, mutakabir, khudbin, khudaee ka dawa karne wala" (Nauzo Billah ke naqle kufar, kufar na bashad)
Dear Br. Can u explain this extereme blasphemy of an annocent prophet of Allah and then Mirza claimed to be Masih and prophet of Allah?????
The in-complete lines u quoted r from Noor-ul-Quran in which Promised Messiah has mentioned high spiritual status of Muhammad (saw) 2 those Priests who use to abuse our holy Prophet (saw). In this context while addressing such Priests he writes "As compared to Highest moral character of Muhammad (saw) - ACCORDING TO U what was the character of Jesus....".
Here Promised Messiah has mentioned the Character of that imaginary Jesus according to Christians themselves who claimed divinity.
Brother, I have not escaped. I have put preview before approval of comments because of so-called Muslims belonging to 72 sects usually write such filthy language which one cannot even read in the presence of family.
As long as u will come-up with any objection but in decent meaner . Insha-Allah I will reply it. Only the objections put in blasphemous way will not be entertained.
"Qur'an Karim baad khatim-unnabieen kisi rasool ka aana jaiz nahi rakhta" then again he said in "Azala e Aohaam, pg. 614" "Rasool ki haqeeqat aur mahiyat men yeh amar dakhil haikeg deni uloom ko bazaria Jibreel AS hasil kare. aur abhi sabit ho chuka hai ke ab wahi risalat ta qayamat munqata hai"
but in Dafi-ul-Bila p.11, year 1902 he says "Sacha Khuda wohi hai Jis ne Qadian men apna Rasool bhaija"
Page 701 of the same book (Azala-e-Oham) proves that only that Prophet-hood & revelation is impossible which is not granted as a result following Muhammad (saw) & which is not subordinate Prophet-hood & rather is complete/independent prophet-hood. Only such type of Prophet-hood & revelation has Stopped as per 4:69. And thus Jesus (as) who has not granted the status of Prophet-hood as a result of his following Muhammad (as) can NEVER Return.
If u stick with logics Mr. Dawah, and study the life of Mirza Ghulam Britin, his lies, his slang language he used for Jesus AS, the sicknesses he was suffering from, you would surely curse the way you r following now. I can give you lots of references from your own books, magzines and newspapers that prove your false prophet an imposter. As far as Ghamidi is concerned, i think u r perplexed as on one place u cent percent agree to him while on the other u call him a Mullah. So r u ready?
satalcapone: Br. what new you will do? Everything bad allege by Mullahs towards Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian is similar to what non-believers use to say about previous Prophets. Quran confirms this sunnah of non-Believers and says "NOTHING IS SAID IN OPPOSITION to thee BUT WHAT WAS SAID TO TO THE Messengers BEFORE thee." 41:32
You have seen ONLY ONE side of picture i.e the allegations raised by those Mullahs about whom the Prophet (saw) said that they will b WORST CREATURES under SKY.
satalcapone: As far as taking some sayings of Mullahs as TRUTH of Islam-Ahmadiyya while rejecting many other saying of same Mullahs - remember that Quran also present some verses of Bible as Truth of Muhammad (saw) while reject many other verses of the same Bible.
atensari: We (Ahmadi-Muslims) Believe that Jesus (as) had survive the crucifixion & later died a natural death as confirmed by Quran. We also believe that the one who was to come under the name, title & status of Jesus during later days was to be from among the ummah. We believe that Promised Messiah & Mahdi was Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian (as) who has come to revive the true spirit of Islam & to Break the cross (by proving Jesus was a human who lived, died & buried like all other human).
(And on account of) their saying, We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah. They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 157-158)
barhaich: I agree that Allah says that "They did not kill him nor did they crucify him. It was only made to appear so". But remember that Quran also says that "And WE made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water" 23:50.
In this verse Allah clearly says that He gave miraculous shelter/refuge to Jesus (as) & his mother in a place which was hilly & was full of springs i.e Kashmir.
Well this arguement will go long and I can give you many proves, The verse that you quoted from The Believers should be put in context and the whole surah should be recited. Peace
barhaich: If you consider context then you MUST accept that Jews wanted to kill Jesus (as) on the cross so that he may be proved a CURSED man rather than a pious/righteous man. Because in Bible it is written that the one who is killed on the cross dies a CURSED Death. Thus denying Jews' that they managed to Prove Jesus a CURSED man, Allah is saying in 4:158 that the Jews could not proved him a CURSED rather Allah Exalted his status.(i.e Raised him up to Himself).
badarhayatmalik: The Prophet (saw) had said that 72 out of 73 sects will be hell-bound. About our time He (saw) also said that ""A time will come when nothing will remain of Islam except its name and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be full but void of guidance. Their divines (Mullahs) will be the worst creatures under the sky; all the evil will be emerged from them and will revert to them."
salimbasit : As per you & your Mullahs ONLY ONE i.e. Ahmadiyya are on the wrong path while all other 72 sects are Muslim. But remember, that as per VERDICT of Muhammad (saw) ONLY ONE SECT WAS TO BE ON THE RIGHT PATH WHILE ALL OTHER 72 WAS TO BE HELL-BOUND.
Keep on following your Mullah's verdict But for us the VERDICT of our beloved Prophet (saw) is sufficient.
badarhayatmalik: In Quran Allah says that Jews could NOT Kill Jesus nor they could Crucified him rather Allah raised him to Himself i.e exalted his spiritual status. It doesn't mean that he never died a natural death either.
1) prophets are sent to guide people. when allah says in the quran that deen is complete and the message is complete till aakhira, then what is the need for another messenger?
2) every prophet is given a miracle which he uses to prove his status as a prophet of Allah. All of these miracles were accepted by people of that time even those who didnt believe still agreed that these miracles happened and called them magic instead. what miracle was given to ahmed qadiyan??
imransuhail82: Quran 62:2 clearly tells us that the Purpose of coming of Prophets is NOT merely to bring new teachings rather their purpose is also to teach them the book & the wisdom and to purify them.
The Prophet (saw) told in clear terms that "A time will come when Nothing will be left in Islam except its name & Nothing will be left in Quran except its inscription...". The prophet (saw) also told us that at time a Prophet with the title of Jesus will come among Muslims as Arbitrator.
imransuhail82: Quran also tells us that there were always two type of Prophets. One who brought a new teachings (Shariyah) while some others who did not bring any teaching rather they came just to teach the true meanings of the previous books - Like Yahya (as) etc.
2: Being a Subordinate of Muhammad (saw), Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian was also given a miracle of Pen. He challenged the ulemas to come & produce Tafseer-e-Quran like him but no one could come forward.
Dear dawah1, what will u say for Allah's divine guidence befor Mr Ghuam ahmed sab where was it. if u want to sort out by this logic then the Ahel Tasheeh are right for the saying that Imam of the time is guide to Allah so they belive on Hazrat Ali (RA) as a 1st Imam soon after Prophet(pbuh).
and second thing i need to know that what is the actual position of Mr Ghulam ahmed among u people? if he is not the sub PROPHET.?
Hunzukuts: Divine guidance & revelation is like rain. The rain guarantee physical life while divine guidance & revelation guarantee spiritual life.
Rain is good only when it is required.
Similarly, Allah sends divine guidance and revelation ONLY when it is needed. Today, the condition of Islam itself proves the need for divine guidance.
We believe Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian to be Subordinate Prophet - Subordinate to Muhammad (saw).
ehkhan: Brother, you are mistaken. No where Quran says that Muhammad (saw) is the LAST Prophet. It says that he (saw) is the SEAL OF PROPHETS. So, we should stick to the WORDS of Quran. However, we can present our understanding of WORD "SEAL" {Khatam} as our understanding & not as the WORDS of Quran.
Similarly we MUST STICK to the words of Hadith & NEVER present our own understanding as the WORDS of Hadith.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HADITH SAYING THAT ISSA (AS) WAS TAKEN TO HEAVEN.
but you yourself said that there is word Khatam has been used and no one know better than the arabs the meaning of Khatam and if you still insist that Ghulam Ahmed is the prophet after Mohammad(PBUH) then can u tell me what is the name of the book revealed on Ghulam Ahmed
abidullah1 : No one other than Prophet Muhammad (saw) knows the meaning of "Khatam". He (saw) said that "I am Khatam of Prophets & Ali is Khatam of Saints". So, did it mean that there will be NO pious & saint in the Ummah after Muhammad?
Can anyone present a SINGLE example from Arabic usage of the WORD Khatam when referred to human as THE LAST?
Raza Shah Pehalvi was the LAST of Pehavi Kings in Iran. Can anyone show the WORD "Khatam" used for him in any of Arabic History book???
abidullah1: Dear we believe Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian to be the same Messiah who was to come as Subordinate Prophet in the Ummah as per sayings of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
The Messiah in Islam was to come as a SUBORDINATE Prophet - subordinate to Muhammad (saw). Thus he was NOT to bring any new Book or teachings. Rather he was to come to revive the true spirit of Islam at the time when Mullahs has to distort it into 72 sects & made it a symbol of terrorism.
what will you say about the heretical beliefs of mirza qadian? things like when he said that he is jeses and muhammad and evey prophet and when he said he was gods wife once?
have you not read such things or will you say these are fake thinks attributed to him by your enemies?
imransuhail82: These r absolute lies attributed by Mullahs towards Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian. He said that he is Jesus in spiritual/allegorical sense & not in literal sense.
He claimed that all blessing has been bestowed upon him by Allah as result of his obedience & his love for his Master - Muhammad (saw).
He NEVER said that he is God or such filthy things which you have written.
In Quran Allah says that "Alas! For my servants - there comes not a messenger to them but they mock at them"
anyone can search the net and find references to ahmed qadiyaans books where he said such things. either you say that these books were not written by him, which you will find very hard to convince people into,... or you explain to us how can wrong things be added to a book of a prophet? will Allah not protect his prophets worlk and his followes?
ahmadi brothers ,think if there is no Eisa (peace be upon him) to come, where you found that mirza ghulam ahmad sahib will come as Eisa or messiah maood. Mirza sahib also claimed tobe Eisa bin Maryyam.AT the same time, you claim that no Eisa(peace be upon him) will come and say that mirza sahib came as Eisa and messiah maood. same time no and very same time yes?
REALYFRIENDLY 4 months ago
@REALYFRIENDLY : Human come to this world ONLY once. Jews were also told about the Return of an old Prophet Elijah. Had he returned? NO. Didn't Jews rejected Issa (as) as their Messiah because Elijah didn't returned FLYING from SKY? Was it NOT Issa (as) himself who clarified that John has come as Elijah?
Didn't Prophet (saw) Warned that 72 sects of Muslims are going to REPEAT the mistakes of Jews?
dawah1 4 months ago
very good ,ahmady are our brotherand true muslim ,pakistani
Mitho366 7 months ago
[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
[4:158] Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Baqiatullah 1 year ago 2
@Baqiatullah : "And if WE pleased, WE would have RAISED/ELEVATED him thereby; but he inclined to the earth and followed his evil desires" Al-Quran 7:176. What is meant by Allah raising a human in this verse? Certainly EXALTATION of Spiritual Status.
"Fly/Run towards Allah" Al-Quran 51:50. What is meant by Flying/Running towards Allah in this verse? Certainly EXALTATION of spiritual status.
Pleases also ponder upon 2:156, 17:93, 19:57, 29:26, 37:99
Correct me IF I AM WRONG!!
dawah1 1 year ago
My question to all Muslims is that why are the days of Jesus birth, death and resurrection "BLESSED". There is something unique taking place on all these three incidence. Ghamdi's stating that Jesus death & being raised is no different is short sightedness on the part of this Islamic scholar, I have great respect for. Islam needs scholar like him to have a better understanding of Islam. One cannot ridicule & label him for just this.
Surah Yunus 94 could provide the answer.to this dilemma.
Christthebridge 1 year ago
@Christthebridge : The day of birth, death & resurrection of ALL THE PROPHETS ARE BLESSED. There is nothing unique with Jesus in this regard. Since, Jews use to Allege Jesus birth as illegitimate & his death as CURSED - this is the reason that Allah explicitly mentioned his birth, death & resurrection as Blessed.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 :To take Jesus sinless status and sugar quote other prophets is being arrogant and ignorant. The Quran calls people who do not recognize the Spirit of God as progeny of Satan - Pls don't be one. Jesus is the only one to be born of God's Word and Spirit. Ever one born of "thukum' Sperm shall taste death. Was Jesus the product of a sperm like all other Prophets or not - what say you.
Christthebridge 1 year ago
@Christthebridge: Dear, Although Jesus (as) was a Prophet of God BUT there was NOTHING Unique in him. Birth without male inter-action is not unique for Jesus (as). There are many species which give birth without the interaction of male. Even in Human some child are born with both male & female systems. Birth within such a child is scientifically possible.
All Prophets are given a NEW Birth through WORDS of Allah Breathed into them through angles. NOTHING UNIQUE WITH JESUS (as).
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1: U r presenting a fallacious argument,similar to what the homosexual give to justify their act. Man is Ishraf-ul-Mukliqat & u are degrading him - let alone Jesus. Today a virgin girl through in-vitro fertilization can conceive that does not take away the miracle of Hazrat Marium being conceived by God Word and Spirit. Nothing unique in capital letters just shows your stubbornness and a mind that has been indoctrinated. I will checkout MTA and thank u for the link.
Christthebridge 1 year ago
@Christthebridge : If the the FACTS & ground realities are " fallacious argument" arguments while fairy tales & Myths like Dead raising back to life here on earth & then bodily ascending to God are Rational & logical then I cannot further comment.. I myself was a Sunni Muslim, who was born listening many fairy tales & Myths in the name of religion. But I couldn't digest them. My search for Truth & rationality brought me to Islam-Ahmadiyya which is the MOST Ration approach towards religion.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 Heavy reliance on FACTS takes away from FAITH & a person ends-up an Atheist - be very careful. I do like the Ahmadiya's ground to earth behavior,but when we talk of God we r talking of the Spiritual things which r beyond our present rational & logic (R&L), What's ur R&L for Jesus making birds our of clay & putting life into them or raising the death or multiplying the 5 loafs & 2 fishes. What's ur R&L for Mr.Mirza Ghulam Ahmad being the Messiah.
Christthebridge 1 year ago
@Christthebridge : There is a difference between spirituality & Myths. God has granted power of reasoning to human ONLY & religion is for Human not for animals. Thus Religion has reasoning otherwise it must have been for creatures not having reasoning.
Prophets come to create spiritual human, who can have high visions & to give spiritual life to spiritually dead & not physical life to Physically dead. For my R&L about Hadhrat Ahmad to b Messiah {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1;To take Jesus sinless status and sugar quote other prophets is being arrogant and ignorant. The Quran calls people who do not recognize the Spirit of God as progeny of Satan - Pls don't be one. u did not post my earlier response,I would like u to tell me was Jesus a product of Sperm "thukum" like most other prophets or the one to be born of Gods Word and Spirit & u state that there was nothing unique with Jesus - I challenge u to an open debate on this.
Christthebridge 1 year ago
@Christthebridge : You are MOST welcome to have an OPEN Debate on this at MTA-Al-Arabia. Contact 24 hours Satellite channel for debate on this issue. Your debate will be telecast LIVE around the globe.
dawah1 1 year ago
khalid zaheer's last word of Answer about it :)
I fondly look forward to the possibility of ( 2nd coming of Jesus a.s ) its happening. I don't rule out that possibility, because, after all, it is mentioned in some reliable ahadith.
JOB4HOME 1 year ago
@JOB4HOME : Those who are passed away are NEVER returned to this world. rather other comes after their names & titles. Jews were also told about Return of Elijah before the coming of Messiah. So, when Jesus (as) claimed to be Messiah then they rejected him saying that WHY FIRST ELIJAH HAS NOT RETURNED? It was Jesus (as) himself who gave the verdict that once gone from this world people never return rather others come after their names & titles. He said John has come as Elijah.
dawah1 1 year ago
@jaan321: First of All be informed that we are Ahmadi-Muslims. This verse is talking about Raising to Life After the Death which is common for all human beings. Every human has to die & to raise to life again on the Day Of Judgment. This verse is saying that all these three occasions (which are common to every human being) there is PEACE of Issa (as).
dawah1 1 year ago
Muhammad Shaykh said that Eisa was died just before nailing him on Cross. This is lie this impostor is spreading. Truth is, that he was nailed on cross. Was removed from cross when in deep coma. His friends Josph of Armithia & expert Physician Nicodemus treated his injuries with abt 80 kg Aloe Vera that is potential healing herb. Once he healed, he fled back to india secretely with family where he already spent his age from 12 ro 30 yr. Our freak Mullahs has attached this TRUTH to Qadianis.
Factszz 1 year ago 12
@Factszz Well atleast you have opened your eyes and stopped believing in fairy tales, but how are you going to convince your sunni brothers?
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
Grand MUFTI Egypt SHEIKH MUHAMMAD ABDUH (1849 to 1906)
"The celebrated scholar of Islam, Mohammad Sheikh Abduh of Egypt maintains that the stories of a living Jesus in the heavens and his second coming were inserted into our Ahadith centuries ago by Christian scholars so that Christianity may seem to be superior to Islam"
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Mr Gahmidi, this is a big lie that Angels lifted him up bodily. This is a non-sense tht u are spreading in ur videos. Eisa was died and is buried on earth
Factszz 1 year ago 19
@Factszz hello mr.... ghamdi didnt said tht ESSA (a.s) was raised up with his body... he said very clearly tht it is the same words tht we say after a common persons death... so a common person is nt bodily raised but the spirit u can say is raised... hope u understood... and plz if u dont understand somthing plz dont coment wrong abt someone thnx....
fareedachak 1 month ago
i think you people didnot study the quran and hadith jeses was the prophet of ALLAH he didnot die and the angel took him to the skies.and when the qayamat will come he will sent back to earth and he will rule on the earth for fourthy years and then he will killed dajal.DONT LISTEN THIS MAN.HE IS LIER.
obaidish 1 year ago
@obaidish : No verse of Quran & no Hadith says that Jesus was PHYSICALLY Raised to Allah. Allah is not limited in space like us so that a physical journey is needed to attain His nearness.
Jews wanted to Kill Jesus on the cross to prove him a CURSED Man instead of a Pious man & a Prophet. it is in Bible that whoever die on cross is a CURSED Person. So in Quran Allah said that Jews could not Kill him on the cross rather Allah raised his spiritual status.
dawah1 1 year ago
السلام علیکم، ورحمت اللہ وبرکاتہ
میرے مسلمان بھایوں اور اسلامی بہنوں، ہر ایک عالم اس دور میں اس کی مرضی کی کرنے کو کہتا ہے کسی نے سوچا کہ اللہ کی کیا مرضی اور نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کا کیا طریقہ تھا اندھی تقلید چھوڑیے اور اپنایے اللہ کی مرضی کو اور اتباع رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو پھر کامیابی ہے اللہ پاک نے فرمایا مفہوم ہے کہ اللہ کی رسی کو مضبوطی سے تھاموں۔ کسی مولانا کی تقریر کو نہیں۔ جو قران میں ہے وہ حق ہے اور نبی ص کی صحاتۃ ستۃ صحیح کو استعمال میں لایے۔
جزاک اللہ
karachikabhai 1 year ago
Ghamdi is a kaffir, undercover qaidaini
GreaterPakistan 1 year ago
@GreaterPakistan
Ghamidi is the most truthful Scholar of Islam of present time. Ur comments show, u are not greaterPakistaini but a brainless Gutter-Pakistaini
Factszz 1 year ago
@GreaterPakistan lol
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
Ahmadi ( vs)Suni munazra part(1/20) topic of Death of Jesus
search in youtubev
zubairgermany2 1 year ago
For those who doubt this video, please read verse 3:55 and notice the arabic. The arabic word "mutawaffi" means death. The root word here is "tawaffi" which can be cross referenced to verse 39:42 which describes that before death takes place, God orders his angels to "tawaffi" the soul of the humans. This word is typically translated as "death"but in this verse, most translaters dont translate it as such. I think this is due to their preconceived notion of the bible and hadees that jesus z alive
szuberi 1 year ago
Jazakallah for uploading this video.....amazing video for exposing the lies of mullah.
ahmadi1987 1 year ago
asalaamu alaikum brother/sister Dawah
wats ur opinion on mohammad shaikh
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075 : Why don't you seek for Prophet's opinion? Our beloved Prophet (saw) foretold that at the time of numerous (i.e 73 sects) ONLY ONE will be on the Right path while all others will be misguided. He (saw) also foretold that the sect following the Messiah of the time will be ONLY guided one.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 and wat sect is this?
ah05075 1 year ago
@ah05075 : When Prophet (saw) was asked about the ONLY saved sect - he (saw) said "The ONLY saved Jamah will be that one who will be following my & my companions footsteps". Another sign of that ONLY group was foretold by Prophet (saw) as "Al-Jamah".
Today only Islam Ahmadiyya is one who is subject to similar situation as Prophet (saw) & his companions were subjected by non-believers. We are also persecuted for reciting Kalima, offereing 5 times prayers etc. & only v r Al-Jamah having an Imam
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 No human knows who is the on the right path or not. If this was the case, why do we all read in the salah "Eh dinas sirtal mustaqeem"???? The right way to obey Allah is to obey what the messenger gave us. What did he give us and what was his message? The Quran. Read 6:19 and 29:50-51 and 21:10
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : I agree with you that NO individual can say for sure that who is on the Right path & who is on the Wrong path. Allah will decide it on the "Day of Judgment". However, Prophet (saw) through knowledge from Allah had foretold that at the time of Split 72 sects will be on the wrong path while ONLY one similar to him & his companions will be on the Right path. Thus we all must try to understand the message underline in that hadith so that we may be among the Righteous.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 If Allah told the messenger that there will be 72 sects, why is not recorded in the Quran? Its a simple question brother. If this prediction is so very imortant, why is it missing from the Quran. If indeed that hadith is true and divine, then Quran is not complete and there are two parallel sources of islam. Why doesnt the Quran say this that there are other books narrated by the prophet that we must read? Its Mr. Bukhari telling us about the prophet...not Allah.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi: Can't you see 73 sects today with your own eyes? There r Muslims cutting throats of other Muslims. There r Muslims prostrating at graves of human peers. There r Muslims doing every Shirk in the name of Islam & yet every thing seems OK to you. This time of 72 sects going astray was to come & this is the reason that Allah said that Subordinate Prophet was to come at this time of Darkness. Al-Quran 7:35
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 You are right that muslims are haywire today and are on the wrong path but this doesnt mean that hadith of 73 sects is true. 73 sects means 70 and 3 sects. There is no such list anywhere. I am taking this number in literal sense and i have not heard from anyone that this hadees means anything else.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : Dear, spiritual text contains metaphors - even Quran contains allegorical verses. 73 means - too many. No Hadith speaks about Jesus (as) ascension. Yes, ahmadith speaks about coming of Issa (as) but earlier scriptures proves that name/title of past prophets are given to the Prophets to come. Divine guidance can never stop. Quran tells that whenever there arise need Allah will send Prophets.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 The prophet did not know the future except for what was revealed to him in the Quran. Without the Quran, he was just another human like you and me. This 72 sect story is not in the Quran so it can not come from him. Think about this.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : This is the reason that Allah told him that "O children of Adam, Whenever Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing MY Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve" Al-Quran 7:35
So one has to believe in Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian whom Allah has sent as Subordinate Prophet in order to revive the true spirit of Islam.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 Verse 7:35 is by no means a prophecy for any mr. qadian to come. are you serious? the verse is talking in a general sense that those who fear God follow the messengers when they are sent from among them. does the quran prophecizes mr. qadian to come for all of us by name? NO. If Allah didnt say this...how can you put words in Allah's mouth. Very disappointing brother
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : 7:35 CLEARLY speaks about Messengers to come in future as well. How can divine guidance can cease? Specially at the time when religions in general & Islam in particular has become one of WORST faith on earth as far as its followers are concerned?
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 While i disagree with all that ahmadiya islam stands for since there is no basis for its belief in the Quran, i wholeheartedly agree that you guys should not be persecuted for your beliefs. The pakistani govt. is full of corruption and plays God to ban you guys. Then they attack your mosques and places of living and worship. This is such a crime against humanity.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : For you Islam-Ahmadiyya has no base in Quran. For me today ONLY Islam-Ahmadiyya has basis in Quran as compared to all other sects. Then who will decide that who is right & who is wrong? Will Allah NOT send someone to settle such opposite views and understanding based on same book?
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 Your base is not the Quran. Your base are the man made books of hadith that have no support from the Quran. Even if your understanding of 7:35 is correct (assuming), nowhere Allah tells us that the messenger to come will be named MAHDI. If we remove man made books of hadith out of this case, the bottom of the dish is empty.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : Alhamdo-Lillah our based is Quran. Nowhere Quran says that Subordinate Prophets will not come ever! Can you show me single verse in Quran saying that There will be NO Prophet of Any Kind ever? Quran 4:69 clearly promise subordinate Prophets to come.
When Muslims are divided into numerous sects on the interpretation of Quran & situation is itself demanding divine guidance then why Allah will not send anyone?
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 i personally dont believe in sects. Allah almighty never did, i am a muslim, believe in 7 articles of faith, Muhammad PBUH is the seal of the prophets, do the DO's and forbid the DON'Ts. ofcourse we will have differences but are they that fundamental that u disobey Allahs' verdict the Qur'an. look we can agree that Qur'an is the word of God but not hadith, these are narration of people ascribing them to the prophet, some true and some false (weak).
ah05075 1 year ago
@dawah1 And where did he say this? Not in the Quran? Who is telling you all this? Not Allah.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : Why don't you believe in Allah's instruction to believe & follow Messenger sent by Him at this time of Darkness in the Islamic world?
dawah1 1 year ago
Jeesus is dead and ain't coming back dudes
szuberi 1 year ago
The Quran says the Muhammad didn't know the unseenin atleast a 6-7 different verses. How come then he predicted the coming of anyone in the future?
Sounds like more Hadith lies
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : It is true that Muhammad (saw) didn't know about unseen by himself BUT he knew whatever Allah told him about the future events.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1
you are absolutely correct. The verses in the Quran that talk about events from before Muhammad's life and events after his life is the unseen that was revealed to him by Allah. One verse of the Quran says that in these ayats we reveal to u what's in the ghaib. Books of Hadith are not the ayats of the Quran.
szuberi 1 year ago
this not what javed ghamidi is saying. dont believe this lie. listen carefully to what he is saying. he's NOT saying that jesus had died and been taken.
dakhan 2 years ago
If you found my comments useful; and agree to my analysis; please copy this comments to the actual post where you shared; and suggest him the same.
This is the least thing we can do in order to stop spreading misconceptions about the Islam.
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
The verse quoted 19.33 (وَالسَّلَامُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدتُّ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيًّا )
Translated as: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
Reason: the speaker mistranslate the word (أَمُوتُ ) its in future tense (Die) not in past tense ( died).
mohdqazi786 2 years ago 2
@mohdqazi786
Jesus is also quoted sa saying in the Quran that as long as he is alive, he has been ordered to perform salaat and pay zakaat. If he is alive in heaven, to whom he is performing salaat and paying zakaat? Quran is absolutely clear that Allah gave death to jesus and raised/elevated him in rank. 'Mutawwafi' means physical death in the Quran.
szuberi 1 year ago
@mohdqazi786
Wen a delgation of 60 men frm Christians of Najran came to the Prophet (S), their chief priest discused with him the status of Jesus & asked him as to who Jesus' father was. Prophet said: 'Do you not know tht a son resembles his father?' They replied: 'Yes'. He said: A lastum ta'lamuna anna rabbana la yamutu wa anna Isa ata 'alaihi-l-fana', i.e., Do u not know tht our Lord lives for ever while Jesus perished."
(Asbab an-nuzul, by Imam Abu-l-Hasan Neshapur, publishd in Egypt,p.53
Factszz 1 year ago
Which is translated as: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
Reason: The verse is completely out of topic.
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
According to 5:117-119 Jesus will say on the "Day Of Judgment" that he was witness over his followers till his توفیٰ (Taking-up as per your translation) and that after that Oh my Allah you was witness over them.
If the same Jesus/Issa is to return and see his followers taking him as LORD & rectifying their beliefs then how can he say that "He was witness over his followers till توفیٰ Taking-up ONLY?"
Please think again!
dawah1 2 years ago
The verse quoted 5.117 (مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلاَّ مَا أَمَرْتَنِي بِهِ أَنِ اعْبُدُواْ اللّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ وَكُنتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا مَّا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِي كُنتَ أَنتَ الرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَنتَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ )
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
According to 5:117-119 Jesus will say on the "Day Of Judgment" that he was witness over his followers till his توفیٰ (Taking-up as per your translation) and that after that Oh my Allah you was witness over them.
If the same Jesus/Issa is to return and see his followers taking him as LORD & rectifying their beliefs then how can he say that "He was witness over his followers till توفیٰ Taking-up ONLY?"
Please think again!
dawah1 2 years ago
@dawah1 Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses kill swine and abolish Jizya, and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 1, p. 92).
jaminjava2 1 year ago
@jaminjava2 : All the signs like
1) Breaking of cross
2) Killing of Swine
3) Abolishing Jiziyah
4) Such Abundance of wealth that No one will accept it
These all are metaphoric statements. Therefore the coming of Jesus is also metaphorical i.e someone having similarities to him was to come. This is the reason that Prophet (saw) had mentioned different appearances of the Jesus of the past and the Jesus to come in Bukhari.
dawah1 1 year ago
@jaminjava2 : Prophets Never come to KILL SWINE, Break material crosses & to distribute worldly wealth - all these are metaphors. Therefore the Issa to come is also a metaphor. Meaning that someone similar to him was to come from the ummah.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 Good post and i agree. If he had just returned after breaking the cross and stuff, why would Allah ask him what he said about him and his mother to people? He would have replied...well i just returned after breaking the cross so whats the point of this question? lol
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : Religious history proves that once gone from this world people Never return. Rather others comes after their name & character. Jesus was NOT to return in person rather A Subordinate Prophet similar to Jesus was to come. Who has come & alhamdo-Lillah now True Islam established by him has spread in 190 countries of the world.
dawah1 1 year ago
@dawah1 dude plz stop following conjecture. first of all, you are taking this coming of an un-named messiah outside of the quran. quran mentions no one by name so thats why man people in the history have claimed such prophethood lol
second, if indeed mr. qadian was some sort of a divine person, what did he accomplish? the world is still full of war and ish today.
i rather believe in something that is confirmed by the quran isntead of following others blindly. quran is complete for me.
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi : These are Mullahs not I who are following Fairy Tales & Myths that Human can Fly to Allah without Space Shuttle & is living there for thousands of years without taking food.
Hadhrat Ahmad had succeeded in making a Jamat of True non-terrorist Muslims who is servicing humanity around the globe. type "Ahmadiyya as viewed by others" and watch videos of world known leaders acknowledging Ahmadiyya achievements.
Can u tell me that what previous Messiah achieved in first 100 years?
dawah1 1 year ago
Reason: The Arabic language is very rich language; and one word can means different meaning; in this verse, it means Meeting not Death; and Allah knows better.
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
Which is translated as: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
mohdqazi786: Can you present a single example from entire Arabic usage that where Allah is subject & Human is object then "توفیٰ " ever meant other than separation of soul from the body? Either partially & temporarily as in Sleep or Completely & permanently as at the time of death?
dawah1 2 years ago
Please make sure to do little bit of research before posting something wrong.
All verses quoted in the video is correct but incomplete or out of context; somehow the speakers plays a role as a misleading, mis-communicating; misinterpreting or mistranslating.
mohdqazi786 2 years ago
this stupid person dont know the Quran....it means that before this Ghamidi no one understand the meaning of islam only these people understand the Quran
The whole Muslim Scholars believe that Hazrat Esha Alive....there is even no single scholar in islam before 1800 centre who believe Hazrat Esha died...this is happend in 1900 centre......
ayub701 2 years ago
Dear brother, i agree that this is somethig new which we are hearing today. But many centuries ago, there was no media to spread any message. Nowadays there are so many ways of communication faster. However, please remember that on the last day you will be asked about what you believed and rejected when the message came to you (read 2:141), not what scholars belived in. Why do you have to judge today's scholars by past scholars???...Allah has given every person his own power of intelligence.
jeezus22 2 years ago
God Bless This person
ApnaKharianCom 2 years ago
Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, - O Allah if this person Javed Ahmad Ghamdi is saying what he is saying, O Allah punish him. O Allah punish this liar, who has lied against you and your beloved Messenger Muhammad (s.a.w). O Allah punish this liar, because he has accused the best companions of your beloved Messenger (s.a.w).
O you Liar, bear in mind that you will be held accountable in this World and in the Hereafter.
daniel0172 2 years ago
by admiting that jesus had died natural death do one become an ahmadi ???? or is he suppose to call every one else except ahmadis non muslims..???
navid003 2 years ago
Jesus brith and his comming back is clearly mention in bible. so for muslim qurn has to confirm these two thigs. quran is confirming Jesus Birth clearly but i dont see any were in quran clearly mention of Jesus is live and he will come back.
bukraat 2 years ago
Don't misrepresent Ghamidi...
I know his point. His point is this.
1)Qura'an does not talk about any coming Masih or Mahdi.
2)The initial hadith literature (that is Mawta Imam Malik) there is not a single hadith which talk about coming of any Masih.
3)All the hadith which talk about coming of Masih are of later generations and most probably they are copied either from Shia source or from Christian sources.
So there will be no Mahdi and their will be no Isa in the future.
Another Deception
hijiitsme4u 2 years ago
hijiitsme4u: The purpose of this video is merely to tell those Non-Ahmadi Muslims who THINK that Jesus' ascension & coming back is UNANIMOUS belief of all Muslim scholars that such assumption is Absolutely WRONG.
It is a fact whatever Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian said was already there among scattered Muslims & that he didn't brought anything new.
Actual Culprits & Deceivers are Mullahs who are even erasing Kalima & sacred names of Allah & Muhammad (saw) {watch?v=XynKJMo9MIE}
dawah1 2 years ago
ghamdi you are great one and getting a sensible person,,,great job ,,,just you should carry on this and make good anylesis for the people who dont know the right knowledge,,,,,just now you should be an AHMADI,,,AND accepte the MASIH MAOUD ,,,MIRZA GHLAM AHMAD QADIYANI ,,,WHO is the promised MASIH
wafawafa1 2 years ago
Is Ghamidi a sunni, shia, or ahmadi?
371727 2 years ago
HE IS NOT STILL AHMADI???but he is telling right to you people ,,,i pray for him to be an ahmadi because the AHMADIES are the right muslims,,,,ALLAH is with ahmadies....may ALLAH bless on ghamdi and he will be the future ahmadi......
wafawafa1 2 years ago
ghamdi is Qadiyani
and he is Kafir
jhoota hai ye
nokia5095007 2 years ago
it is written hazrat Esa (A.S) is the sign of judgement day, so he is the one who god has created with no father , so god is the one who can do any thing he wants, he have given us alot of signs like these in Quran and said that in thees are the signs for those who wants to find them that there is surely a God and there will surely b the day of judgement..
Saud7000 2 years ago
Saud7000: Quran also says that "Breaking of Moon" (i.e Shaqal-Qamar) is the sign of HOUR. So, does it mean that The Day of Judgment occurred just after "Breaking of Moon"?
Secondly NO where Quran says that JESUS IS THE SIGN OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. Can you show that verse having these words?
Birth without father although rare but is not against the established laws of nature. Only Allah is Unique and has NO alike otherwise everybody else including Jesus has alike.
dawah1 2 years ago
Ghamidi fitna hai shaitan hai kafer hai. Quran Hadith ke hukam per apna hukam lagata hai khud Kias kerta hai. Ghamidi kaya koi mufti hai ye Qadiani agent hai. Is se to Shia kafer better hain ke ghalat ya sahee jo bhe kerty hain apny liya hukam Quran Hadith se nikalny ke koshish kerty hain. Halanki hamesha ghalat hadith bataty hain. Ghamidi laanti to khud ko Quran, hadith aur Rasool pak se ooper samajhta hai ke apna hukam lagata hai. Ye shaitan hai kafer hai wajab al qatal hai.
rizwanmoavia 2 years ago
آپ جس کو مرضی کافر کہیں مگر یاد رکھیں کہ ٓنحضرت نے فرمایا تھا کہ صرف ایک حق پر ھوگا جبکہ باقی تمام بہتر فرقے جہنمی ھونگے۔ آج بہتر فرقے ایک طرف اور ایک ایک طرف ھے۔ ملا کہتے ہیں کہ بہتر حق پر جبکہ صرف ایک (احمدی) کافر ہیں۔ فیصلہ آپ پر ھے کہ آنحضرت کا فیصلہ مانیں یا ملا کا۔
dawah1 2 years ago
mre bhai Ya Hadis kis waqt valid ho ge
Mahndi k ane se pehle ya os k bad ya Qayamat k pas when it is valid
ayub701 2 years ago
do u know when this Hadees is valid
ayub701 2 years ago
For Mister Ghamdi & all readers information, read Quran & Hadith before believing.
(Surah 43:61). "And (Isa) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgement): Therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: This is a Straight Way ".
Few Hadith to add;
Al-Bukhari Vol 3, No 425;
Al-Bukhari Vol 3, No 656;
Al-Qudsi, Vol 1, No 36;
Sahih Muslim, No 1348 & 1352
If Ghamdi's claims are correct then all above are invalid.
"May Allah save us from Fitnatil-Masihid-Dajjals".
fahdalizai 2 years ago
fahdalizai : Do not put words in Allah's mouth. 43:61 doesn't contain the words u mentioned. It simply says that "And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.[Pickhtall Transation]
Although Ahadith speaks about descend of Issa but Bukhari clearly indicates that Issa 2 come among Muslims is a different one from the Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw in Miraj alongwith all other passed away Prophets.
dawah1 2 years ago
The translation of quran you are taking is interpreted differently from where I have taken. Secondly, could you please provide me a reference of Bukhari hadith that "clearly" indicates that there are two Issas and the second one will be different from previous? Now i think you are trying to push your ideas with reference to the Last Holy Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (SWA).
fahdalizai 2 years ago
fahdalizai: I know that u have taken Yousuf Ali Translation of the verse 43:61 which contain too many brackets in order to make Quran say which is in translator's mind.
In Bukhari, everywhere when Prophet (saw) mentioned the Issa whom he met with all the passed away Prophets he (saw) mentioned his appearance as "Redish/White with Curly Hairs". Whereas where-ever the Prophet (saw) had mentioned the Issa to come then he (saw) described his appearance as Wheat like color & with lank hairs.
dawah1 2 years ago
Whenever we need to understand Quran clearly, we have to understand with reference to the situation it was reviled. If you read through hadith references i provided and then read Quranic verse, the Yousuf Ali's translation would be more reasonable.
Now regarding the Bukhari issue, with all due respect, to me it is just your interpretation. The word "clearly" has to have a clear reference not interpreted meaning.
May Allah provide us guidance to understand his word clearly.
fahdalizai 2 years ago
fahdalizai : In Bukhari there are MULTIPLE Ahadith about Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw with all passed away Prophets & the Issa 2 come in future. In all Ahadith, about Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw with passed away Prophets, the appearance is mentioned as Redish/White with curly hairs. Whereas in all Bukhari Ahadith the appearance of Issa 2 come is described as wheat color & lank hairs.
Then there r multiple ahadith further clarifying that Mahdi & Issa r one & the same & NOT two diff persons
dawah1 2 years ago
@fahdalizai its written that hAzrat Esa (A.s) is the sign. it means that he had no father , so God is the only one who had give him birth with out father, ther is alot of signs like this for people who wants to find the true path..
Saud7000 2 years ago
Saud7000: Still there are many species which give birth without male inter-action. Thus birth without father is NOT against the established laws of nature.
There are many others who are believed to be born without Father. Thus Jesus is NOT unique in this regard.
Allah saved Prophet (saw) through the web of spider which is weakest thing in the world. But for miracles Allah do not break His own Laws of Nature.
dawah1 2 years ago
Prof Jesus was human not any species. It is impossible for a women to give birth with out male. U should consult a scientist.
TheKashifajmal 2 years ago
TheKashifajmal : Read the history. There are many who are believed to be born without the father. Jesus (as) is NOT unique in this regard.
May children r born with both the sexes built-in in them. If such child is not operated and one type of sec organs removed then a child birth within is possible without external inter-action. Science doesn't deny such a possibility.
dawah1 2 years ago
faisalmasoodsunny in world 99% people dont speak Arabi,, it means Islam and quran is not for them??? So dont think you only understand Arab language,,, Second thing... Does Rasool Ullah and his Ashaab never believed that Hazart Essa AS is still alive... First Ijmaa of Ummat was on this issue when Rasool Ullah SAW died and Hazrat Abou Baqar recited this verse,, which states all prophets before Rasool Ullah SAW died...
ismahooAhmad 2 years ago
thedon003, how can you call anyone Kafir, who gave you this Authority,Allah told you to say that aur ke kahiN Quran maiN likha hai ke logoN ko Kafir kaho.
Please think before you say anything. Allah ko gawah bana ker yeh jawab do ke keya tum Allah se yeh roz Dua mangte ho Allah mujhe Sirate mustaqeem per chalne ki tofiq ata farma aur gumrahoN ko hidayat bakhsh. Yeh fatwa kahaN se le ker aaye ho.Kon hu tum deen ke thaike dar ho.Jao pehlay apna muhasiba kero aur Allah se daro
anarkalitoronto 2 years ago
Thought of a Pakistani
My mother tongue is Punjabi. My national language is Urdu. I am doing business in broken English moreover, Allah has made my religion in Arabic the language more then 99.99%? Pakistani even don't speak, read, write, and completely don't understand.
Faisal Masood.
faisalmasoodsunny 2 years ago
Traditional Islamists call everyone who even slightly disagrees with them a kafir. They also think you have to follow a madhab to be a Muslim. Quite annoying.
Metsada007 2 years ago
thedon003 - How can you can call anyone Kafir,Allah gave you this authority, who allowed you to say that. ek hi lafaz seekha hai tum jaise jahiloN ne.Had ho gai hai, Apne greban maiN jhankoN keya tum roz itni dua ker te ho Ke Allah mujhe seedhe raste per chala, aur jo gumrah haiN un ko Hidayat bhaksh, keya kafir kehne ki bajaye yeh ni liksakte, Ke Allah sab ko Hidyat de. Please think before you say anything. Mr. Deen ke thaikedar
anarkalitoronto 2 years ago
what ghamidi proved he proved it from quran ayat and that ayat is very simple to understand.
ynmian 2 years ago
ghamdi is kafirrrrrr
thedon003 2 years ago
thedon003: Whoever is comparatively Rational is called Kafir. It seems that only those are Muslim who believe in JUST Fairy Tales & Myths.
dawah1 2 years ago
are you going to leave any body muslim
are you a sick molvi , try to study islam and pray to your creater
iahmed1975 2 years ago
& yes dear the way you use specific verdicts from the same person while discarding his other verdict and misquoting things and using only those parts of documentaries which support you then why do u make objections if someone else does it. While the case is that all the things the ppl quote aginst Mirza r true.
satalcapone 2 years ago
satalcapone: Dear, All Muslims proudly mention that Non-Believers of Mecca use to say our beloved prophet (saw) as "Sadiq" 7 "Amin". So, does it mean that we must also accept every saying and allegation of the non-believers of Mecca against the Prophet (saw)?
Everyone knows that even opponents admitting greatness & piousness of LOVED ONES of Allah is a clear proof of their Truth.
dawah1 2 years ago
Dear Br. Iqbal and other then scholars did praise mirza as he was defeating christian scholars that time but later he changed his loyalities to the queen of britin. I dont agree to this way of exposing. Its exteremly nude. And the by the way as per Sahih Ahadeeth Mirza didnt kill the Dajjal...?And is in it true that Mirza sahib was suffering from Malikholia (Miraaq)? Reply Plz
satalcapone 2 years ago
satalcapone: In the video I referred you, Prof. Mahdi Hassan is shown saying that Alama Iqbal praised Hadhrat Ahmad till 1935 or as per non-Ahmadi writers till 1908 i.e till his death.
Hadhrat Ahmad (as) has killed Dajjal by proving from the Bible itself that the False LORD of Christians was merely a man who lived, died & BURIED like all other human.
Can u tell me that with what diseases the Prophet Ayub was suffering?
dawah1 2 years ago
satalcapone: Do you know that how greatly Maulana Abul Kalam Azad praised Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian on his death?
dawah1 2 years ago
I dont agree Br. I still say that Mirza used slang language for example you read out his book "Aarya Dharam, pg75, 76 Mandarajah Roohani Khazain pg, 75, 76, written by Mirza Qadiani"
What kind of language and poetry is that, calling names and character assasination. you beleive in such a man??? y my dear y???
satalcapone 2 years ago
satalcapone: Today the Mullahs say that Hadhrat Ahmad (as) was so & so. But do you know that what greatest scholars of his time compelled to admit?
1: Allama Iqbal said that "The way Mirza Sahib understood Islam - there are very few who could do so"
2: A. Iqbal also admitted that "If someone want 2 see LIVING ISLAM then he should go 2 QADIAN"
3: Sir, Sayed said "We do differ him (Mirza Sahib) in some doctrines BUT the fact is HE IS VERY PIOUS PERSON". Proof {watch?v=NtfTCuKyyl8}
dawah1 2 years ago
satalcapone: You gave me two specific quotes & I proved that Mullahs have committed dishonesty by twisting the quotes & by hiding part of the quotes. All allegations against Promised Messiah (as) r of similar nature. Visit Anti-Islamic sites & u will find exactly similar allegations even against the most exalted Prophet (saw) of the universe.
Pl watch the other side of the picture as well before concluding IF U REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE FACTS.
Poem of Araiya Dharam is EXPOSING Neog.
dawah1 2 years ago
Plz dont compare Mirza with prophets bcoz the scriptures prophets were promulgating and propagating were purely from Allah and there were no slang words in those scriptures while Mirza has a great record of using abusive language regarding Jesus AS and Ulama e Karaam. I can quote you a few if you want.
satalcapone 2 years ago
satalcapone : Brother. you are free to believe that Hadhrat Ahmad (as) was not a Subordinate Prophet like non-Muslims are free not to believe Muhammad (saw) was the greatest Prophet. But No one can snatch the right of others to believe what they sinceely believe to be Truth.
Hadhrat Ahmad (saw) NEVER used abusive language about the Issa whom he himself is named after. He had pointed out those preists about what they themselves had written in their books about whom they take as LORD.
dawah1 2 years ago
satalcapone : These are the Mullahs belonging to 72 sects about whom the Prophet (saw) had said that "They will be the WORST Creatures on Earth". About these WORST Creatures promised Messiah has also used harsh words but as a expression of Truth & not abuse.
Like Quran term some non-believes as Base-Born (i.e. doubtful birth or bastered)68:13 & WORST Animals 8:55
dawah1 2 years ago
Mirza has used blasphemous language aginst Jesus AS as he mentioned in Maktoobat e Ahmadiya, Pg. 23-24, Vol.3
"Masih ka chaal chalan kia tha aik khao piyu sharabi na zahid na aabid, na haq ka parastar, mutakabir, khudbin, khudaee ka dawa karne wala" (Nauzo Billah ke naqle kufar, kufar na bashad)
Dear Br. Can u explain this extereme blasphemy of an annocent prophet of Allah and then Mirza claimed to be Masih and prophet of Allah?????
satalcapone 2 years ago
The in-complete lines u quoted r from Noor-ul-Quran in which Promised Messiah has mentioned high spiritual status of Muhammad (saw) 2 those Priests who use to abuse our holy Prophet (saw). In this context while addressing such Priests he writes "As compared to Highest moral character of Muhammad (saw) - ACCORDING TO U what was the character of Jesus....".
Here Promised Messiah has mentioned the Character of that imaginary Jesus according to Christians themselves who claimed divinity.
dawah1 2 years ago
Very good and much appreciated! Talk to you very soon Br. TC
satalcapone 2 years ago
romoved the comment! I knew that. There is much more Mr. Dawah, but u escaped. Ok Bye
satalcapone 2 years ago
Brother, I have not escaped. I have put preview before approval of comments because of so-called Muslims belonging to 72 sects usually write such filthy language which one cannot even read in the presence of family.
As long as u will come-up with any objection but in decent meaner . Insha-Allah I will reply it. Only the objections put in blasphemous way will not be entertained.
dawah1 2 years ago
Mirza said in "Azala e Aohaam, pg. 761"
"Qur'an Karim baad khatim-unnabieen kisi rasool ka aana jaiz nahi rakhta" then again he said in "Azala e Aohaam, pg. 614" "Rasool ki haqeeqat aur mahiyat men yeh amar dakhil haikeg deni uloom ko bazaria Jibreel AS hasil kare. aur abhi sabit ho chuka hai ke ab wahi risalat ta qayamat munqata hai"
but in Dafi-ul-Bila p.11, year 1902 he says "Sacha Khuda wohi hai Jis ne Qadian men apna Rasool bhaija"
What do u say abt it Br?
satalcapone 2 years ago
"مسیح موعودجو آنےوالاھےاسکی علامت یہ لکھی ھےکہ وہ نبی اللہ ھوگایعنی خداتعالیٰ سےوحی پانےوالا۔ لیکن اسجگہ نبوت تامہ کاملہ مراد نہیں کیونکہ نبوت تامہ کاملہ پرمہرلگ چکی ھےبلکہ وہ نبوت مرادھے جومحدثیت کےمفہوم تک محدودھےجومشکوۃ نبوت محمدیہ سےنور حاصلکرتی ھے"
Azala-Oham page 701
dawah1 2 years ago
Page 701 of the same book (Azala-e-Oham) proves that only that Prophet-hood & revelation is impossible which is not granted as a result following Muhammad (saw) & which is not subordinate Prophet-hood & rather is complete/independent prophet-hood. Only such type of Prophet-hood & revelation has Stopped as per 4:69. And thus Jesus (as) who has not granted the status of Prophet-hood as a result of his following Muhammad (as) can NEVER Return.
dawah1 2 years ago
If u stick with logics Mr. Dawah, and study the life of Mirza Ghulam Britin, his lies, his slang language he used for Jesus AS, the sicknesses he was suffering from, you would surely curse the way you r following now. I can give you lots of references from your own books, magzines and newspapers that prove your false prophet an imposter. As far as Ghamidi is concerned, i think u r perplexed as on one place u cent percent agree to him while on the other u call him a Mullah. So r u ready?
satalcapone 2 years ago
satalcapone: Br. what new you will do? Everything bad allege by Mullahs towards Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian is similar to what non-believers use to say about previous Prophets. Quran confirms this sunnah of non-Believers and says "NOTHING IS SAID IN OPPOSITION to thee BUT WHAT WAS SAID TO TO THE Messengers BEFORE thee." 41:32
You have seen ONLY ONE side of picture i.e the allegations raised by those Mullahs about whom the Prophet (saw) said that they will b WORST CREATURES under SKY.
dawah1 2 years ago
satalcapone: As far as taking some sayings of Mullahs as TRUTH of Islam-Ahmadiyya while rejecting many other saying of same Mullahs - remember that Quran also present some verses of Bible as Truth of Muhammad (saw) while reject many other verses of the same Bible.
dawah1 2 years ago
Did these ppl admit GA is a prophet?
atensari 2 years ago
atensari: We (Ahmadi-Muslims) Believe that Jesus (as) had survive the crucifixion & later died a natural death as confirmed by Quran. We also believe that the one who was to come under the name, title & status of Jesus during later days was to be from among the ummah. We believe that Promised Messiah & Mahdi was Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian (as) who has come to revive the true spirit of Islam & to Break the cross (by proving Jesus was a human who lived, died & buried like all other human).
dawah1 2 years ago
ahmadis prove this 100 years b4.gamidi read ahmadis ponit of view but its right.isa has died.
123crisscross 2 years ago
(And on account of) their saying, We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah. They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 157-158)
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barhaich 2 years ago
barhaich: I agree that Allah says that "They did not kill him nor did they crucify him. It was only made to appear so". But remember that Quran also says that "And WE made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water" 23:50.
In this verse Allah clearly says that He gave miraculous shelter/refuge to Jesus (as) & his mother in a place which was hilly & was full of springs i.e Kashmir.
dawah1 2 years ago
Well this arguement will go long and I can give you many proves, The verse that you quoted from The Believers should be put in context and the whole surah should be recited. Peace
barhaich 2 years ago
barhaich: If you consider context then you MUST accept that Jews wanted to kill Jesus (as) on the cross so that he may be proved a CURSED man rather than a pious/righteous man. Because in Bible it is written that the one who is killed on the cross dies a CURSED Death. Thus denying Jews' that they managed to Prove Jesus a CURSED man, Allah is saying in 4:158 that the Jews could not proved him a CURSED rather Allah Exalted his status.(i.e Raised him up to Himself).
dawah1 2 years ago
a.a mr ghamdi is a black sheep.
quran is explained Propet Mhammad (SAW) His expliantion islam for muslims.
ALLAH says that "ALLAH GIVE HIDAYA TO MANY FORM THIS QURAN AND FORBITRAY FORM RIGHT PATH FORM THIS".
badarhayatmalik 2 years ago
badarhayatmalik: The Prophet (saw) had said that 72 out of 73 sects will be hell-bound. About our time He (saw) also said that ""A time will come when nothing will remain of Islam except its name and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be full but void of guidance. Their divines (Mullahs) will be the worst creatures under the sky; all the evil will be emerged from them and will revert to them."
Mushkat
dawah1 2 years ago
Ahmdiat is one of the biggest fitna in islam. They r not muslim anymore. I think they r the biggest munafikeen in this planet
salimbasit 2 years ago
salimbasit : As per you & your Mullahs ONLY ONE i.e. Ahmadiyya are on the wrong path while all other 72 sects are Muslim. But remember, that as per VERDICT of Muhammad (saw) ONLY ONE SECT WAS TO BE ON THE RIGHT PATH WHILE ALL OTHER 72 WAS TO BE HELL-BOUND.
Keep on following your Mullah's verdict But for us the VERDICT of our beloved Prophet (saw) is sufficient.
dawah1 2 years ago
these r son of iblees(ghamdi etc ). wt is the ans about quranic verse.
"WAMA QATLUHO WAMA SALBOHO WALA KIN SHUBIHALAHO".
badarhayatmalik 2 years ago
badarhayatmalik: In Quran Allah says that Jews could NOT Kill Jesus nor they could Crucified him rather Allah raised him to Himself i.e exalted his spiritual status. It doesn't mean that he never died a natural death either.
dawah1 2 years ago
dawah1:
please tell us,
1) prophets are sent to guide people. when allah says in the quran that deen is complete and the message is complete till aakhira, then what is the need for another messenger?
2) every prophet is given a miracle which he uses to prove his status as a prophet of Allah. All of these miracles were accepted by people of that time even those who didnt believe still agreed that these miracles happened and called them magic instead. what miracle was given to ahmed qadiyan??
imransuhail82 2 years ago
imransuhail82: Quran 62:2 clearly tells us that the Purpose of coming of Prophets is NOT merely to bring new teachings rather their purpose is also to teach them the book & the wisdom and to purify them.
The Prophet (saw) told in clear terms that "A time will come when Nothing will be left in Islam except its name & Nothing will be left in Quran except its inscription...". The prophet (saw) also told us that at time a Prophet with the title of Jesus will come among Muslims as Arbitrator.
dawah1 2 years ago
imransuhail82: Quran also tells us that there were always two type of Prophets. One who brought a new teachings (Shariyah) while some others who did not bring any teaching rather they came just to teach the true meanings of the previous books - Like Yahya (as) etc.
2: Being a Subordinate of Muhammad (saw), Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian was also given a miracle of Pen. He challenged the ulemas to come & produce Tafseer-e-Quran like him but no one could come forward.
dawah1 2 years ago
Dear dawah1, what will u say for Allah's divine guidence befor Mr Ghuam ahmed sab where was it. if u want to sort out by this logic then the Ahel Tasheeh are right for the saying that Imam of the time is guide to Allah so they belive on Hazrat Ali (RA) as a 1st Imam soon after Prophet(pbuh).
and second thing i need to know that what is the actual position of Mr Ghulam ahmed among u people? if he is not the sub PROPHET.?
Hunzukuts 2 years ago
Hunzukuts: Divine guidance & revelation is like rain. The rain guarantee physical life while divine guidance & revelation guarantee spiritual life.
Rain is good only when it is required.
Similarly, Allah sends divine guidance and revelation ONLY when it is needed. Today, the condition of Islam itself proves the need for divine guidance.
We believe Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian to be Subordinate Prophet - Subordinate to Muhammad (saw).
dawah1 2 years ago
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ehkhan 2 years ago
ehkhan: Brother, you are mistaken. No where Quran says that Muhammad (saw) is the LAST Prophet. It says that he (saw) is the SEAL OF PROPHETS. So, we should stick to the WORDS of Quran. However, we can present our understanding of WORD "SEAL" {Khatam} as our understanding & not as the WORDS of Quran.
Similarly we MUST STICK to the words of Hadith & NEVER present our own understanding as the WORDS of Hadith.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HADITH SAYING THAT ISSA (AS) WAS TAKEN TO HEAVEN.
dawah1 2 years ago
but you yourself said that there is word Khatam has been used and no one know better than the arabs the meaning of Khatam and if you still insist that Ghulam Ahmed is the prophet after Mohammad(PBUH) then can u tell me what is the name of the book revealed on Ghulam Ahmed
abidullah1 2 years ago
abidullah1 : No one other than Prophet Muhammad (saw) knows the meaning of "Khatam". He (saw) said that "I am Khatam of Prophets & Ali is Khatam of Saints". So, did it mean that there will be NO pious & saint in the Ummah after Muhammad?
Can anyone present a SINGLE example from Arabic usage of the WORD Khatam when referred to human as THE LAST?
Raza Shah Pehalvi was the LAST of Pehavi Kings in Iran. Can anyone show the WORD "Khatam" used for him in any of Arabic History book???
dawah1 2 years ago
abidullah1: Dear we believe Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian to be the same Messiah who was to come as Subordinate Prophet in the Ummah as per sayings of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
The Messiah in Islam was to come as a SUBORDINATE Prophet - subordinate to Muhammad (saw). Thus he was NOT to bring any new Book or teachings. Rather he was to come to revive the true spirit of Islam at the time when Mullahs has to distort it into 72 sects & made it a symbol of terrorism.
dawah1 2 years ago
what will you say about the heretical beliefs of mirza qadian? things like when he said that he is jeses and muhammad and evey prophet and when he said he was gods wife once?
have you not read such things or will you say these are fake thinks attributed to him by your enemies?
imransuhail82 2 years ago
imransuhail82: These r absolute lies attributed by Mullahs towards Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian. He said that he is Jesus in spiritual/allegorical sense & not in literal sense.
He claimed that all blessing has been bestowed upon him by Allah as result of his obedience & his love for his Master - Muhammad (saw).
He NEVER said that he is God or such filthy things which you have written.
In Quran Allah says that "Alas! For my servants - there comes not a messenger to them but they mock at them"
dawah1 2 years ago
anyone can search the net and find references to ahmed qadiyaans books where he said such things. either you say that these books were not written by him, which you will find very hard to convince people into,... or you explain to us how can wrong things be added to a book of a prophet? will Allah not protect his prophets worlk and his followes?
what is you explaination?
imransuhail82 2 years ago