I was always one of those people who wanted to see "good" in the bible (you know< every religion is an expression of God...) But you have to ignore the more than scary things said-would you want to have a human neighbour who said the things said here-NO-you would think he was a weird scary old man-right? If these are the "words of God" then I will see you in hell-it's got to be better than this God's heaven
Best answer I got from a believer about evil in the OT: I don't believe God really commanded Moses, Joshua, etc to slaughter all those people. They just did what they wanted and told the people "God told me to do it". You see, even many fundy Christians are closet skeptics, as they should be. If something doesn't make sense, question it.
Luke 19:27 was taken from context in a parable! Oh my goodness! All if these versus are as well! Between a master and his servants. You cannot understand the bible if you cannot understand God.
@woobstoob out of context??? please explain just 1 example, you must be kidding yourself- because you are not fooling anyone else. Slavery was an accepted practice-but that does not make it right. All humans deserve the right to be free-it's this same shit that Southern slave owners used to justify the enslavement of thousands of people snatched from thier homes-FUCK you and your "out of context"
Beautiful verses from the book that exemplifies morality.. Not! lol.. by the way, if all atheists were truly "evil" and only interested in "sinning" then we would be praising the bible.. not condemning it..
typical bullshit from morons who know nothing and spew out empty words in an attempt to sound intelligent the video is beyond moronic and full of nothing but ego and second hand hack logic with no meaning. Maybe you all should grow a clue, all flesh is Gods, he owns you and this world and he can do what ever he wants and doesn't need to justify himself to a bunch of piles of poisoned flesh that don't have one once of original thought in their heads.
@Hotwolf327 Out of the mouth overfloweth the heart... Guess we all know what your heart is like and where you stand on, rape, incest, murder, slavery and all the other wicked things the demonic bible speaks of... You are incorrect about humans being Gods property, God does not own any one, God refers to ALL as children. Not property, stop speaking like a devil.
Religion causes war. Because none of you can accept differences. Or respect it.
I know a fairy tale; Humanity. evolved chimps trying to make shit up to fill up questions they are too lazy to answer. Buy a gun and end your life DO IT FGTS
one other thing, you really need to learn how to read the Bible. You quote some passages as if God is commending these things, He is not. Please learn the difference between "descriptive" and "prescriptive", not everything in the Bible is commands! Some of it is history, some poetry etc. Treating it all as God's commandments is silly and again, pretending it's something it's not.
It should be very well known that this n00b (Ken Ham) represents "one" view and only by his view would the Bible get things wrong in terms on science. In most people views, the Bible makes Theological claims, NOT scientific ones. The Bible is not a biology text book, nor any other scientific document, it talks of God and that is it's purpose, you only get error when you treat it as something that it's not.
You're absolutely right, the Bible is evil, manking has never ignored the Bible more than in this generation... and the world's never been in better shape!
... and who would you believe? Geologists or the bible? Evolutionists or the bible? Biology or the bible? Even if some things in the bible appear contradictory, your job is not to question them (and in the process misguide others), but to pray for understanding. GOD NEVER SAID FOR YOU TO QUESTION HIM, NOW DID HE?
@jesus7es7dios7 Thats like saying, You must believe in the story of the 7 dwarfs and you shall not question it because you need to have faith or you will die!!!. Sounds to me like a bunch of Man-Made bullshit to control The Sheeople. Religion is Based on Fear and Guilt! Religion is what keeps people Separated, Religion is what people kill each other for, Religion is Humanity s Downfall. Can I get my 10% now? I need Money to build me my 1.2m House
God has done more evil, by his own and with the help of loyal believers, than any other dictator or warlord. Even Zeus, Ares, Odin, Loki, Thor and Indian gods would feel that God had gone too far with with Allah, Jews and all those sufferings, which has been inflicted. Wake up Christians, you've been betrayed for more than 2000 years. This truth is out. All you need is to wake up and evolve.
I'm reading the bible at the moment and I think GOD or LORD GOD is just a thug trying to gain control over others. I don't believe christians have even read the bible.
The bible is a collection of all evil that men, who created god, have done - in order to rule and control others. It's just silly, but everyone is entitled to their delusions...
I think the Bible's been toyed with too much (through different translations and interpretations). It's lost the true meaning that was meant to capture our spirits. When something is spoken, our flesh (our minds) twist it.
Which is why I believe Christ came to fullfill the Jewish law and start the new covenant. That our relationship with God wasn't written on paper but on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31).
So, I agree that the scriptures do have things that don't make sense or are confusing. It's a matter of reading in between the lines, not reading what the author of each book was saying, but what God was trying to communicate to them.
The largest holocaust comes from bible: so call religion people killed bebies, woman in the name of god-god threy are not allowed to test! even their murder own-CONVERTS!
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What I'm saying is NOT for people to turn to religion. Religion is man-made & corrupt. Turn to Jesus because He offers you a true relationship, & you can encounter your Creator by doing good Science.
Evolutionism is just as religious. "Religion" does not always invoke G-d, Allah, or other gods. It's believing something with faith & without proof.
Jesus is the TOTAL opposite off religion. It's about religion, traditional clothes, or fancy buildings.
@Eye2EyeIIIV Jesus is a character within religion, and to say to turn to Jesus, is in effect, the same as saying to turn to a religion. Whether you like the label or not, even if the only tenant of the religion is the bible, or Jesus loving you, and even if you don't go to church, that doesn't change that it's a religion : )
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"Evil Bible"?
You've probably been watching way too may movies and documentaries that have deliberately portrayed a liberal misconception misrepresentation of what true Christianity is.
"After it's in the documentary, or newspapers, or magazines, so it must be true" ...You'd better study it for YOURSELF before taking all this propaganda in.
The society we now live in has become more communistic these days - evolutionism (unscientific) is popular just like the Kim Jong-Il is a god" myth.
evolution...unscientific? Prove it... just because you said the bible is different I've looked up all of these myself I know each reason not to believe in hateful religions verses that are hate speeches in them of themselves it DOES NOT make up for the fact that most of the information is wrong and a public hate crime against society the good does not make up for whats mostly bad
"Child abuse"? I'm sorry, but folks like you are doing nothing but destroying the real meaning and appliance for that word.
Teaching people that there is no purpose to life, that they're evolved animals from slime, there are inferior species out there, etc, THAT is real child abuse!
Taking into account it was written by a blood thirsty sexist pedophile mass murderer, I don't see why would any sane person would use it as a source of answers for anything?!
@cc22mm but you would read the words of men whom you know nothing about or even if they are who they claim to be and call it the word of GOD?? And you call these folks "SANE" roflmbo. Please, if anyone can bring the words of Jesus written by his own hand, then maybe we will have something to debate.
If we was to look for a collection of writings that would best fit to a group of ill educated, sexually repressed idiots that live in a desert 2000 years ago....... Then the bible would be a perfect glove.
This Australian guy is a scammer. How do thinking people believe in this mythical, iron-age-illiterate, story-book nonsense = religion? How do people gullibly fall for the existence of angels, afterlife with an imaginary boss in the sky, miracles, virgin birth, etc.? Religion is a childish story-book fiction. If taken seriously, religion is a fraudulent fabrication based on fictitious characters that, thus far have failed to offer verifiable proof of their existence.
I agree fully with cyxgun. The christianity that is known to be so rightious and holy can be no more, if people would just realize how immoral and contradictory its scripture is. My mother and her bf are "psychic" scam artists themselves, so I understand how they and christianity are similar. (theyre both stubborn, closed-minded, etcetera. and pretend to be the oppostite)
As an Australian I sincerely apologize for this super moron. How embarrassing. Unfortunately for Americans there is no way he would get an audience in Australia. He is just too dumb for us. Which is a worry for the USA, where he has an audience.
As you say down under, no worries mate. There's idiots from all over the globe, and we've certainly produced our share here in the US as well.
Videos like this are the answer. When religious people declare themselves immune to logic and evidence, by playing the 'faith' card, our only response can be ridicule. Pointing out the immorality and foolishness of their beliefs will win the fight, by putting them where they belong amongst the psychics astrologers and other scam artists.
A priest here in United Kingdom recently shared with us about the contradictions of the bible. There are others too that aren't happy to know that they have received tons of questions from the people about contradictions in the bible. This shows, if the bible has contradictions, that how can it be called as 'holy'?
I sometimes visualize that the God of the Bible is real and when I die I get judged and shit. But it seems so fucking unlogical. I mean, Humans aren't gods, we are easily tricked by our own dumb mind. You can't blame anyone for having limited intelligence, right? Well, you can blame god. He would be the one to blame cause he was to lazy to make something out of the universe. What a cock. And then because he is lazy and creates dumb people WE have to take the blame. Motherfucking cocksucker.
It is so plain to see! I have watched in amazement, since I went to a Catholic school, that people think the bible is anything more than a collection of tales. The Koran is even more crazy and yet muslims kill and die for it.
When will people smarten up? I say everyone should take an extra year of science at school to chase away the nonsense of creation, young earth, Jinns and chosen people. "chosen people", for Christ's sake........ooppsss!
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
teasing him then killing him for being a pacifist? that son of a bitch god!
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
HEY!!! that is my passage!!!!! Damit, now I have to find another one. But no worries, go to sceptics bible and you will find thousands of verses from the Bible AND the Koran. Science bless you
Jesus, yielded up the ghost behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying Truly this was the Son of God.
u will find both good points and bad points in any humans point of view, the bible is no different but it does say 2 love they brother as ur loved, that is God's 1st thought said by Jesus, if we find the good in religion then its right no matter what
I'd like to have a big poster with all those sick asocial bible quotes on it, preferably with some background drawing of some disgusting inquisition torture and put a big title on it like; "Thank you Christians" signed Lucifer.
When something is taken out of the context then it can mean a totaly diferent thing.Like at 1:40,Jesus Christ didn't say that.He was talking about the story of the 10 sacks and the lord that told his slaive what to do but he didn't so that lord said:''those enemis of mine...''
any verse from the old testament that has anything to do with violence or slavery or anything anti-christian does not apply to christians. why? matthew 5:38 "ye have heard that it hath been said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth 39: but i say unto you, that ye risist no evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheeck, turn to him the other also." and verse 43. this clearly shows how christians should live despite what's in the old testament since is doesnt apply to us.
That's funny, then what does this mean? "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"For all the law is fullfilled in one word, even in this "you shall love your neighbor as yourself"(galatians 5:14 nkjv) jesus sais this in matthew 7:14. this is some of the fullmillment jesus talked about. he fullfilled all the messianic prophecys in the ot and some of the old rules that applied to the jews were no longer to be opposed on christians such as circumcision. so jesus was to fullfill and he did, he let us know that some of the law doesnt apply to us but he didnt abolish all of it.
Religious folk freely admit that without there relationship with god they would be dangerous bad people, this is an open admittance of innate evil, one must wonder what abuse theyve been through to be such self harmers. I was brought up in a religious background, nice people but they were broken, i could tell that from an early age.
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this video is just propaganda, the information is slanted obviously.
look at the context of these bible verses with a pastor and understand the nature of God.
anyone can look at a line in a book and say, Oooo.. its so evil it says we should kill things.. its so stupid get your head on straight and read the whole book.
"After YHVH your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, YHVH has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness. No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that YHVH is going to drive them out before you." - Deuteronomy 9:4
Also:
"Like the nations YHVH destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying YHVH your God." - Deuteronomy 8:20
i think your full of shit, its too easy to dismiss it like that man. i feel what your saying, but it sounds like an excuse to not answer the questions, otherwise you would have went ahead and debunked the passages easily for us. as a christian your obligated to direct sheep the narrow path.
BTW - Anyone who sees me and dalkordigo's conversation - We are just two people with different POV's talking about a metter of creation and evolution. This is not a sling mud compitition - out of all the nasty comments and name calling - I would hope that one can read our discussion and bring respect and a light of knowledge to the conversation besides junk... The same just you see elsewhere in the youtube world...
not entirely useless;[3] it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments — which makes it important for physicians and patients to remember the importance of these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.... I dont think its useless...
Lets be real - I wasnt looking for a tree millions of years old - I know leaves fall in the winter and gone by the spring. Nothing last that long... lol. My point was simply that there is no proof of an old earth through Plant life... It hasent changed through out time. Only in size. Due to changes in the earth oxygen lvls and pressure.
Well your wrong. It has changed a lot over time. Different families such as algae, mosses and ferns have evolved and there are fossils to back it up.
Same thing with the trees.
"Nothing last that long... lol."
Sure but in some ways they can. Fossilisation practically makes it a rock. But you can still determine age and see intricate structures as growthrings in trees.
In evolution we should see a changes, were are they. The old organisims should not be here they have either evoloved into something else or died off by natural selection. But why is it that we find the same organisims in the Cambrian Explosion alive today? There is nothing new... The trees are the same... Where is evidence of Plant trasitionals?
They are no changes - I looked it up. Lets just search here. We have conifers, ginkos, seaweeds. They are all the same... If humans and monkeys came from a common ancestor - that shoudl null the common ansestor due to their mutations. But in plants the so-called common ansestors are still around Bacteria, blue green alge... They may be all photoautotrophs, but they are still around - I see evidence of a common concept but not common ancestor....
Conifers and Ginkos are part of a branch of the tree of life called Gynosperms. Seaweed is not. To tie these three examples together you might have to go back to very simple life. I'm no expert but that's the obvious fault of your example.
Besides all that it doesn't matter how many holes or gaps you think you found or that actually exists in said tree of life.
It's still a tree.
The truth of that is all around and in basicly every field of science whether you choose to see it or not.
What are you talking about I made only the example that plant life stayed the same. The examples I gave were examples of plants that existed "Millions of years ago" that are pretty much alive today... and the same might I add... What family they belong to is irrelevant, they are all Photoautotrophs, look it up...
Holes and gaps dosent matter - If I have a step by step guide and step 1 shows a maple leaf... and step 6 shows a maple leaf... Then I can conclude, with evidence that steps 2,3,4, and 5 were also maple leaves. Due to their changes in size, I can definitly say that they have changed... In size only... Look at the experiments with grape tomatos in Pre-Noah sim enviorment, the experiment accuratly shows the changes in size, but they also maintained organic appearance...
There is no evidence of evolution - that's all - forget about that for now... We've spent enough time on it - If you feel we still need to discuss it, fine. But I encourage everyone to watch this - Testimony About Heaven and Hell - He was dead and he came back from the afterlife. Part 1 / 5. And many others like it and to take in consideration who Christ really is...
Already done my homework on that case and its weak at best.
Nice to see someone atleast doing an honest copout. Rather than actually learning you avoid the subject. Of all the non-evo fellas ive discussed the E with you seem to be one of the most honest.
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I clearly said we can con't this converstation I never copped out - THats something I never do... Evolution is a false science - The claims are outragous and that evidence is lacking.... Thats it - Your homework needs to be reveiwed -
... with all that said (above or below or somewhere :P) there is a debate going on whether Gymnosperm is a clade* or not.
As always it is not enough to point out an error in one side to prove the other side.
* As in not a single branch of the tree. Might be that the characteristics for gymnosperms evolved on more then one branch. Like if for example some reptilians would evolve nipples. :)
If there was a great flood. Where did all the water go? How did the animals get to the Florida everglades? If God knows all then why did he ask what they had done after the apple was eaten? Cain was set about to walk the world aimlessly by himself forever after killing his brother. Yet he helped build cities and he also married. God created Satan as one of his angels. Satan is evil? So God made a mistake since he is perfect?
The big bang theory is a load of crap. If you put a whale on land with no water.. would it evolve to survive or die? things were made once and stayed that way. Plus if things evovled , then how come human bodies are all from 200yrs ago 2 now? why havnt humans evovled with wings , or a tail or camofalge.. ask yourself , did u come from a monkey? and if u belive so , then u havnt evovled. ur stil a monkey :P
it takes more that 200 years for '' wings'' to evolve. Try millions. Why do humans have tail bones??Gall bladders?? You really need to read up on the evolutionary process. You really don't have a clue.
What - Gall bladders are non vital organs that aid in the digestive trac.... They're tons of non vital parts we have... We loose them and still manage to live... Like one kedney... Also tail bones are in all mammals, they are developed through the early stages of birth... I asked the doctor about that when my son was born... He said that they develop these structures when the brain is developing, its apart of the CNS...
All the technology we have are just replicas of what we see in nature - Light, computers, flight... I dont take it for granted, I love technology, Im a computer tech. But as for your bronze age comment - The ancients had an understanding of technology, astronomy, arcitechture, and Metrics far better than today. We are still trying to figure them out... Great Pyrimids, Aztec temples, they were on another plane of understanding...
Question for the Evolutionist - The oldest living tree is estamated to be 9,550 Years old - 13 foot tall. in Sweden - And the evos are saying that forests emerged 370 million years ago - then where are the 369,990,450 years trees between now and then?
thank you once again from proving the complete ignorance and idiocy of scientific illiterates (creationists).
common sense glasses? on here we... in the last 150+ since the inception of theory of evolution: geology, paleontology, biology, chemistry, physics, medicine and all major branches of science have not only supported evolution, but have strengthened the theory.
meanwhile, you and your ignorant equivalents sit there questioning the same theory and scientific method that built the technology to light your room, built your computer, created all the technology you take for granted because why? because it's compatible with your bronze-age religious text...
if you don't want to accept the theory hat has the support and consensus of the scientific community, be the bigger man and completely devoid yourself all technology. at least the amish have dignity
"forests emerged 370 million years ago - then where are the 369,990,450 years trees between now and then?"
Historians are saying Hitler was around 60+ years ago. Then where is he NAO?!?!??!?!?!? Disbelieve!
The sad thing is, you don't realize your own idiocy. The trees are dead, mate. Dead. Dust. Into the ground. Eaten. By maggots and other plants. Recycled.
Oye, you were the slow kid in school, weren't you? :(
What are you talking about - It was a simple question, your comments are usless - And if they are all gone what proof do they have that they emerged 370 mil years ago??? I thought origins of life were defined by the fossil records? And if a horseshoe crab can be fossilized in perferct shape, even a fish with fossilized flesh - where is my tree?
Sorry for not responding to those to mocked me - I was tending to my 4 month old son - he is sick. But nothing major - But the point of my comment is that how can we determine that forest exist 370 mil years ago? I know things decompose, I'm not stupid, it was the way it was worded. But my point is where is the evidence of these trees - and there are no trees older than 10,000 years - we should have ton of trees older than that or evidence of any fossilized trees - There are fossilized plants...
LOL!!!!!! Like 19:27 got me WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus was telling a parable - SERIOUSLY if you watch this and just take it as it is - YOU ARE BEING WILLFULLY, WILLFULLY IGNORANT - THis is truly being sheepish - be pro active read for yourself - this was a parable of the master who left his servant - Jesus didnt say bring them here and kill them in front of me.... WOW, people really hate Jesus...
A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.
So in Jesus's MORAL/RELIGIOUS LESSON, the prince turned king ordered "bring them here and kill them in front of me", nearly verbatim. YOU are being "WILLFULLY, WILLFULLY IGNORANT."
My point of the comment is that you did not understand the parable - If you read it and got that revelation - You clearly missed the meaning of it - Your comment was useless.
"My point of the comment is that you did not understand the parable"
What didn't I understand? Prince = Jesus gives money = talents to people = people which they are supposed to use (great). Those who don't, have their money taken from them (talk about regressive taxes), and it all ends with the happy slaughtering of those who didn't want him to be king.
Tell me, what does Luke 19:27 mean, mister smarty-parable-reader?
You can't say. Just surely not what it looks like, right?!?!?¡¿¡¿
@directedchaos Luke 19; 27 is part of a story that Jesus tells about a man that goes to a city to be king, and that man says "thous enemies of mine...". You have to look around the bible verses to se what it mean.
Every single one of those verses - on the video has been shown out of context way out of context - like the Isiah 13
:15 - watching this video you would be like - GOD is evil, how could he! But when you read it you would understand that Isiah is a prophet and was describing the end times - This type of stuff will happend. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE talking about? - its like me saying "I WILL NOT KILL ALL MEN" and you post me saying "KILL ALL MEN" get my entire message?!?!?
"Every single one of those verses - on the video has been shown out of context way out of context"
There is no context which justifies GENOCIDE, CHILD MURDER, RAPE, etc. -- particularly because some other culture worships a different God and has land you want.
"Isiah is a prophet and was describing the end times - This type of stuff will happend"
But at whose orders? GOD'S! God is still responsible. It'd be like me shooting you, then trying to claim "you had it coming in your end times!"
Exodus 31:15 Sabbath, well if you don't believe in a Holy Gd then I guess this one won't make sense. Titus 2:9 (should quote in modern English) Yes the Bible teaches submission, wife to husband, children to parents, to police, the judge, your boss... and in the Roman Empire slaves to masters, like what's your point? You want rebellion? OH..sorry directedchaos...you do. Yes I believe in male leadership. MOST adult men do.
Is that an admission that it'd be IMMORAL to KILL SOMEONE for WORKING on the WRONG DAY? Man such a fight for something so obvious!
"Titus 2:9"
Again, rewatch the video. The thesis is that, in addition to contradicting all of modern science, the Bible also contradicts most of modern morality. You haven't put forth any argument against that, except some dead WRONG claims about modern support for male chauvinism, and the death penalty for everything.
Sorry, Leviticus 20:10,was about adultery and srtiaght forward. Isaiah 13:15 should be read in it's proper setting/context, as its describing what prophetically what the Persians did to the Babylonians! Luke 19:27, I dare ya to read the context. It's a parable describing not prescribing. Grow up please! Leviticus 20:13 ?? what's the problem? Ha ha!! 1 Corinthians 14:34 Women silent in the churches.... I wish women would be silent outside the churches too!
"Leviticus 20:10,was about adultery and srtiaght forward"
For the record, you have no other arguments there then? Just you agree in the death penalty for adultery, which most modern societies do *NOT*.
"Isaiah 13:15 [...] Persians did to the Babylonians!"
God is talking? Just before that He threatens earthquakes when He's angry, and if He finds you, He'll kill you, your children, and rape your wife. Again, totally immoral!
I already noted it's a parable in the video! Which you watched, right? Here's the question: WHY DID THE PRINCE KILL THEM? Just because it's a parable doesn't mean it's morally off the hook: the exact opposite, it carries an enormous amount of moral weight!
The parable is the talents parable we're all taught in sunday school. It's about using what God gives you and growing it, which is grand and all, but at the end there's this line which gets left off.
"Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Because it's obviously IMMORAL. God is saying: use the talents I give you, and if you don't want me to be your God, then I'll KILL YOU. A common theme. Jesus = the prince turned king. Thinking isn't that hard...
Death penalty for homosexuality now! At least with adultery, someone is hurt. Who's hurt when two men decide to make some lovin'? You, because you're left out?
YOU LAUGHED ABOUT KILLING GAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY. YOU LOSE AT LIFE.
Or maybe: "Grow up please!"
"1 Corinthians 14:34 [...] I wish women would be silent outside the churches too!"
Numbers 31:17 What's the problem, specific case being described here, not the rule. Read the context! Over and over it states that the wickedness in the land was so great that they had to be judged. The whores were trying to lead the men into adultery. Hosea 13:16 Again out of context, quote the whole verse please. Clearly not prescribing what should happen, but prophetically describing what did take place to Israel later in history. Leviticus 20:10 Again out of context, it's describing
Now I'm glad we finally get to the gritty details, because there's far more evil in the Bible that glaringly obvious if you just look hard enough, instead of skimming with a "glory to God!" drunken haze.
I don't have much hope of getting to you, so this is more for everyone else, but at the very least try to think about my point of view for the sake of knowing your enemy better. What's the harm in examining the Bible more closely anyway, right? ;)
"Numbers 31:17 What's the problem, specific case being described here, not the rule"
1) NO case warrants KILLING babies, RAPING virgins (as PERMANENT SEX SLAVES), etc.
2) This WAS the rule. To clarify: God basically told Israel to conquer everybody in their path, and do this to them. Israel was too LENIENT in this case, which brought out the more clear brutal commands, but you see them all throughout the old testament during Israel's wars.
"Hosea 13:16 Again out of context, quote the whole verse please."
KJV: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
"Clearly not prescribing what should happen"
Wrong. They worshipped a different deity, and thus God punished them -- that *IS* what *SHOULD* have happened, according to the Bible.
Obviously immoral in a modern, free, pluralistic society.
The only people video's tend to convince are young and ignorant. I maintain exactly what I said below. Yes many country's do have capital punishment for adultery. If you poled those who've been cheated on, most at the time of offense wouldn't take issue with it. As for the references quoted in this clip...or miss quoted. I'm not going take too much time, I'm sure folks make up there mind before they really do the research.
"many country's do have capital punishment for adultery"
Name them. Extremist middle eastern countries much?
Obviously NOT the audience this is aimed at: our Western values (such as a woman's right to vote, which you probably also disagree with!) are in definite conflict with those.
So, there's two counts of Biblical immorality you readily admit:
1) Male chauvinism (arguably misogyny)
2) Capital punishment for minor infractions
Again, the free world disagrees with you on those two counts.
Ha ha! Relax, I wasn't expecting to change your mind, and I don't have time to continue showing the holes in your responses! I'd love to talk to you in person with a Bible in front of us. "modern morality"? I have a basis for objective morality. To an atheist, materialist or someone who rejects the Bible, you are totally self-deluded if you think you can talk about right and wrong and be consistent with your world view. On what basis are you judging your ideas of "wrong/wright" and morality?!
"I don't have time to continue showing the holes in your responses! "
Because I win all the arguments. The OT has a wrathful God leading a warlike culture to total domination, complete with genocide, child murder, and virgin rape -- WAR CRIMES by the GENEVA CONVENTION. Aka, AGAINST MODERN MORALITY.
You lose. Just admit that you don't buy into the morality of modern western free societies!
Yes: God is good, that is your "objective" basis. The Nazis had a similar "objective" basis: Hitler is good. Do God's will, because he is good -- not because the deeds are good. The Nazis did Hitler's will, not because it was good -- but because Hitler was their God.
Just because you have A MORALITY -- and ANY morality is BASED on something, yours is the God of the Bible, Nazis was the Furor -- DOESN'T MAKE IT A GOOD MORALITY.
In other words, to figure out if someone is good, you have to see if they DO and ADVOCATE GOOD DEEDS. Hitler did NOT, God did NOT. Hitler did EVIL deeds, God did EVIL deeds.
To say "child murder and virgin rape is ok because God ordered it" is like saying "the holocaust is ok because HItler ordered it."
THAT is how blind you are. It's called BLIND FAITH.
"On what basis are you judging your ideas of "wrong/wright" and morality?!"
MODERN MORALITY. In modern free societies, we believe women should be treated equal to men. And blacks to whites. We believe one shouldn't be persecuted because of what they do -- or don't -- believe about what is not known (aka, God).
We certainly believe murder is wrong, let alone child murder. Rape is wrong, let alone virgin rape. And all in the name of a God invented by one remote tribe of the world?
If you choose to reject the Bible and Gd for athesism then there is no such thing as morality...so why are you bitter & twisted? How do you judge wright/wrong? Majority opinion? Obviously you aren't keeping in mind the modern atrocities justified by or resulting from naturalistic thinking. The only reason we are somewhat civil here in the west is because of Judeo-Christian influence! Thinking you can be righteous by your own standards..By the way... you would fail a exegesis class.
You wouldn't know what one was if it smacked you in the balls. Every significant RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR *KNOWS* that the OT was written by a warlike culture with morals at odds with modern morality.
If people like you had your way, I'd be dead, my children (if I had any) enslaved, my wife raped, etc. Don't claim the West's freedoms as your culture's doing. It was deists, read up on your founding fathers.
Everyone can only be righteous by their own standards.
[cont] "Everyone can only be righteous by their own standards."
It's up to everyone else to judge how moral those standards are. Again, we judge Hitler as IMMORAL, as we should judge GOD (of the Bible, especially the OT) as IMMORAL.
Wow Ha ha !!! You need to grow up kid! Talk about civility, your colors are showing! Calm down you sound like a raving lunatic! Are you foaming at the mouth? The Bible doesn't affirm rape and baby killing etc... these are your deluded uneducated conclusions. I am a theologian, and no your accusations (rest easy) wouldn't be affirmed in any Serious Bible college. That's why you're stuck down here ranting on Youtube. If you want to be objective then research on a broad base, not just bible haters!
"The Bible doesn't affirm rape and baby killing etc"
Go in circles much? Yes, your type likes circular logic, but this is worse: you have NO logic. You are CONTRADICTING yourself. You ADMITTED that the Israelites killed babies and raped virgins because God commanded them to, but then turn around and DENY that the Bible advocates such acts!
YOU ARE INSANE. Or 1984 doublethink. Same difference?
Actually, I'm a grad student studying a USEFUL field (engineering related, the sciency-stuff that HELPS humanity). I'm here for mental masturbation -- jerking off to idiots like you about how superior I am.
You, on the other hand, are stuck not addressing my points RIPPING YOUR WHOLE LIFE PURPOSE TO SHREDS. You can't. You're blind.
"research on a broad base, not just bible haters!"
I do. Again, real religious scholars readily admit that the OT was written by a warlike culture with morals vastly different from our own.
Ever heard of "liberal"? A NON fundamentalist reading of the Bible? Maybe the Earth isn't 6,000 years old, huh? Maybe rape, child murder, slavery, etc. AREN'T "God's" commandments, but just what an ancient victorious culture did?
You are clearly uneducated - the bible is compiled of 66 books by 44 aurthors in a span of 1500 years... Know what you are talking about... This documents the events and historical occurances of teh times the material was written... So Mytical Books is teh term you are looking for, BUT mythical - I think not - Find me a book that can clearly phrophesy on world events and you got yourself a heck of a book... You also have other post and various things you clearly dont know the meaning of.
"modern atrocities justified by or resulting from naturalistic thinking"
This is the old "who killed more: atheists or Christians?" The question is misleading (though Christians CLEARLY WIN); the real question: "which caused more death: atheism or Christianity" in which case Christianity clearly leads, while atheism -- via science -- is actually in the negatives.
Hitler and Stalin didn't KILL in the NAME of atheism. The Crusade, Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, etc were in the NAME of OT God
Again in an atheist evolutionist world-view there is no such thing as right and wrong. Sorry dude, it's "dog eat dog" "survival of the fittest" "natural selection" "weed out the weak". This is normal thinking from a naturalist perspective, and so was birthed the Eugenics movement. It's a logical fallacy to assert morality from an Evolutionist perspective. Please read Richard Dawkins or Carl Sagan. You are still borrowing your sense of right and wrong from a Judeo-Christian world view. When the
"You are still borrowing your sense of right and wrong from a Judeo-Christian world view."
You are still IGNORANT of the meaning of MORALITY. MORALITY is just a CODE OF BEHAVIOR. HITLER had a MORALITY; it was just judged IMMORAL by general consensus modern morality.
MORALITIES develop throughout TIME; they EVOLVE. Child murder, rape, slavery, women's status, etc. have liberalized throughout the years.
So yes, Judeo-Christian culture played a part in modern morality. So did Greek voting.
out working of a "survival of the fittest" belief system is completely unquestioned, rape, murder etc. will be much more easily justified. At least with a creator we are god-like, have dignity, purpose, and a higher nature. What is marriage then? Just another way to preserve your genes? So why shouldn't your wife have someone else's seed if his is better than yours? What if someone beats the f--k out of you and rapes your wife? You upset? It's survival of the fittest ya know and he's not "wrong"
"At least with a creator we are god-like, have dignity, purpose, and a higher nature."
And with a Creator, you must follow His rules, even if they are IMMORAL. If God told you to kill your son, you would have to -- a la Abraham (whom child services would lock up).
It's like saying "Hitler is King, therefore we MUST do what Hitler says." NO NO NO.
Now, with secular humanism, a MORALITY THAT FOCUSES ON THE VALUE OF HUMANS, we have "dignity, purpose, and a higher nature" without that risk.
Just because NATURE evolved SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST doesn't mean WE SHOULD USE THAT AS OUR "MORALITY." In fact, we don't -- most liberals advocate WELFARE, TAXES, etc. meant to help the WEAK. Conservatives -- CHRISTIANS -- take the OPPOSITE stance, advocating DOG EAT DOG CAPITALISM.
In theory, you lose. In practice, you lose.
YOU LOSE. Atheists HAVE A MORALITY. That MORALITY CAN BE LIKE THE RELIGIOUS.
I recommend you come out of the mire and look into some affirmative discussions of the ancient near east. Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties-By Gleason L. Archer, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics-by Norman Geisler, Alleged Discrepancies of The Bible-by John Haley, Hard Sayings of The Bible-by InerVarsity Press. For a more philosophical perspective consider someone like William Lane Criag, Ravi Zacharias, or CS Lewis. My particular interests are in Archeology and history. Gd speed!
I love the Bible!! I trust Mosaic laws are provisional, have wisdom and foresight that ours don't. Also it's important to know that the above propaganda is taking some of the quotes out of an obvious context to the natural reader. I absolutely believe that adulterers should be put to death! What planet are you living on! Every society is founded on marriage and we refuse to recognize it but not protect it?
"the above propaganda" That is your opinion; in reality I honor truth in the highest regard. To that end...
"quotes out of an obvious context"
Like I've asked other religious commenters: *what* quotes and *what* context? I genuinely believe these quotes represent the morals of an ancient aggressive chauvinistic society that contradicts our own.
"adulterers should be put to death"
The modern world does NOT -- ergo, 'What planet are you living on!'
I was always one of those people who wanted to see "good" in the bible (you know< every religion is an expression of God...) But you have to ignore the more than scary things said-would you want to have a human neighbour who said the things said here-NO-you would think he was a weird scary old man-right? If these are the "words of God" then I will see you in hell-it's got to be better than this God's heaven
steviemovie 10 months ago
Best answer I got from a believer about evil in the OT: I don't believe God really commanded Moses, Joshua, etc to slaughter all those people. They just did what they wanted and told the people "God told me to do it". You see, even many fundy Christians are closet skeptics, as they should be. If something doesn't make sense, question it.
averagebear1 10 months ago
islam is the way! god is 1 not 3
855842 10 months ago
Luke 19:27 was taken from context in a parable! Oh my goodness! All if these versus are as well! Between a master and his servants. You cannot understand the bible if you cannot understand God.
woobstoob 11 months ago
@woobstoob out of context??? please explain just 1 example, you must be kidding yourself- because you are not fooling anyone else. Slavery was an accepted practice-but that does not make it right. All humans deserve the right to be free-it's this same shit that Southern slave owners used to justify the enslavement of thousands of people snatched from thier homes-FUCK you and your "out of context"
steviemovie 10 months ago
5 to 10 thousand people have shit for brains
Beatnick79 11 months ago
Beautiful verses from the book that exemplifies morality.. Not! lol.. by the way, if all atheists were truly "evil" and only interested in "sinning" then we would be praising the bible.. not condemning it..
americasace2002 1 year ago
typical bullshit from morons who know nothing and spew out empty words in an attempt to sound intelligent the video is beyond moronic and full of nothing but ego and second hand hack logic with no meaning. Maybe you all should grow a clue, all flesh is Gods, he owns you and this world and he can do what ever he wants and doesn't need to justify himself to a bunch of piles of poisoned flesh that don't have one once of original thought in their heads.
Hotwolf327 1 year ago
@Hotwolf327 Out of the mouth overfloweth the heart... Guess we all know what your heart is like and where you stand on, rape, incest, murder, slavery and all the other wicked things the demonic bible speaks of... You are incorrect about humans being Gods property, God does not own any one, God refers to ALL as children. Not property, stop speaking like a devil.
1Masterofwar 11 months ago
i love that wed site evilbibledotcom one of the best
muslim1ahmed 1 year ago
Religion causes war. Because none of you can accept differences. Or respect it.
I know a fairy tale; Humanity. evolved chimps trying to make shit up to fill up questions they are too lazy to answer. Buy a gun and end your life DO IT FGTS
Diagnosisz 1 year ago
@Diagnosisz thanks for those peace promoting comments...by your logic you must be religious?
sprat123456 1 year ago
@Diagnosisz do you know that the big bang and other theories are mentioned in the quran ? .
ahmad941985 1 year ago
one other thing, you really need to learn how to read the Bible. You quote some passages as if God is commending these things, He is not. Please learn the difference between "descriptive" and "prescriptive", not everything in the Bible is commands! Some of it is history, some poetry etc. Treating it all as God's commandments is silly and again, pretending it's something it's not.
TheHonestTheist 1 year ago
It should be very well known that this n00b (Ken Ham) represents "one" view and only by his view would the Bible get things wrong in terms on science. In most people views, the Bible makes Theological claims, NOT scientific ones. The Bible is not a biology text book, nor any other scientific document, it talks of God and that is it's purpose, you only get error when you treat it as something that it's not.
TheHonestTheist 1 year ago
You're absolutely right, the Bible is evil, manking has never ignored the Bible more than in this generation... and the world's never been in better shape!
gymguy25 1 year ago
... and who would you believe? Geologists or the bible? Evolutionists or the bible? Biology or the bible? Even if some things in the bible appear contradictory, your job is not to question them (and in the process misguide others), but to pray for understanding. GOD NEVER SAID FOR YOU TO QUESTION HIM, NOW DID HE?
jesus7es7dios7 1 year ago
@jesus7es7dios7 Thats like saying, You must believe in the story of the 7 dwarfs and you shall not question it because you need to have faith or you will die!!!. Sounds to me like a bunch of Man-Made bullshit to control The Sheeople. Religion is Based on Fear and Guilt! Religion is what keeps people Separated, Religion is what people kill each other for, Religion is Humanity s Downfall. Can I get my 10% now? I need Money to build me my 1.2m House
k9forkids 1 year ago
this is sad, so sad
smilee4yuh 1 year ago
Is that Liam Neeson?
Nightcrawler1903 1 year ago
God has done more evil, by his own and with the help of loyal believers, than any other dictator or warlord. Even Zeus, Ares, Odin, Loki, Thor and Indian gods would feel that God had gone too far with with Allah, Jews and all those sufferings, which has been inflicted. Wake up Christians, you've been betrayed for more than 2000 years. This truth is out. All you need is to wake up and evolve.
4life4win 1 year ago
@4life4win Indeed, there is no singular fictional character or real person in human history that is worse than the abrahamic god characters.
humanistheart 1 year ago
I'm reading the bible at the moment and I think GOD or LORD GOD is just a thug trying to gain control over others. I don't believe christians have even read the bible.
432hrtz 1 year ago 2
1) Science cannot prove anything (BASIC SCIENCE 101) - It Can Only Theorize The Possible And Assume The Probable
2) Therefore, It Is Illogical To Use It As A Basis For Fact To Prove Or Disprove The Trustworthiness Of The Bible Or Anything For That Matter
3) This Guy Is A Hack
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago
@AskStephenMaples Then you believe this world is equal to World of WARCRAFT online.
4life4win 1 year ago
Type in "Crazy Pedophile" in the search box, and you will see that the advocacy of paedophilia in the bible has been realised.
HDuyNguyen 1 year ago
The bible is a collection of all evil that men, who created god, have done - in order to rule and control others. It's just silly, but everyone is entitled to their delusions...
MrVrceldesigns 1 year ago 3
@MrVrceldesigns just from the Genesis and Exodus alone we can tell that the God of the Bible is very malicious.
supersmash43 1 year ago
I think the Bible's been toyed with too much (through different translations and interpretations). It's lost the true meaning that was meant to capture our spirits. When something is spoken, our flesh (our minds) twist it.
Which is why I believe Christ came to fullfill the Jewish law and start the new covenant. That our relationship with God wasn't written on paper but on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31).
brandomccasko 1 year ago
So, I agree that the scriptures do have things that don't make sense or are confusing. It's a matter of reading in between the lines, not reading what the author of each book was saying, but what God was trying to communicate to them.
brandomccasko 1 year ago
good video, dumbass christians read your own book
NitricPump 1 year ago
Bible is Evil scam!
Ref: Free to Be Me by Arthur Vonshtain
The largest holocaust comes from bible: so call religion people killed bebies, woman in the name of god-god threy are not allowed to test! even their murder own-CONVERTS!
5* for your vid!
AxelBorges 1 year ago
Actually I believe men are greater tan women, They are bigger and stronger naturally. That's my belief.
stickinup2188 1 year ago
hey echoes by pink floyd fuckin right
Jonny0Colorado 1 year ago
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What I'm saying is NOT for people to turn to religion. Religion is man-made & corrupt. Turn to Jesus because He offers you a true relationship, & you can encounter your Creator by doing good Science.
Evolutionism is just as religious. "Religion" does not always invoke G-d, Allah, or other gods. It's believing something with faith & without proof.
Jesus is the TOTAL opposite off religion. It's about religion, traditional clothes, or fancy buildings.
It's siding with the One who loves you.
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV Jesus is a character within religion, and to say to turn to Jesus, is in effect, the same as saying to turn to a religion. Whether you like the label or not, even if the only tenant of the religion is the bible, or Jesus loving you, and even if you don't go to church, that doesn't change that it's a religion : )
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
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"Evil Bible"?
You've probably been watching way too may movies and documentaries that have deliberately portrayed a liberal misconception misrepresentation of what true Christianity is.
"After it's in the documentary, or newspapers, or magazines, so it must be true" ...You'd better study it for YOURSELF before taking all this propaganda in.
The society we now live in has become more communistic these days - evolutionism (unscientific) is popular just like the Kim Jong-Il is a god" myth.
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
evolution...unscientific? Prove it... just because you said the bible is different I've looked up all of these myself I know each reason not to believe in hateful religions verses that are hate speeches in them of themselves it DOES NOT make up for the fact that most of the information is wrong and a public hate crime against society the good does not make up for whats mostly bad
VulgarityDivine 1 year ago
I reject that horrible book, to teach it to children is child abuse.
TheWhatever41 1 year ago 4
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@TheWhatever41
"Child abuse"? I'm sorry, but folks like you are doing nothing but destroying the real meaning and appliance for that word.
Teaching people that there is no purpose to life, that they're evolved animals from slime, there are inferior species out there, etc, THAT is real child abuse!
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@TheWhatever41 agreed :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Great video. It's about time our species puts away fairy tales.
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 17
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i think that this guy is full of himself and has no idea what he's talking about. what a bunch of disinformation.
chazdaspazman 2 years ago
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way to rip things out of context genius
cliffw77 2 years ago
Can you explain how they are out of context ?
Turnedleaf 2 years ago 5
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This man need to read the Koran! It answers all of the above questions correctly. Don't take my word for it check it out for yourselves.
sunsugar35 2 years ago
The quran/koran is even worse than the bible.
Taking into account it was written by a blood thirsty sexist pedophile mass murderer, I don't see why would any sane person would use it as a source of answers for anything?!
cc22mm 2 years ago 3
They are all as crazy, and ignorant as the next no religion is sane.
VulgarityDivine 1 year ago
@cc22mm but you would read the words of men whom you know nothing about or even if they are who they claim to be and call it the word of GOD?? And you call these folks "SANE" roflmbo. Please, if anyone can bring the words of Jesus written by his own hand, then maybe we will have something to debate.
sunsugar35 1 year ago
this relentless arguement fueled by excuses excuses excuses excuses
bullshit
retrocareermelted 2 years ago
If we was to look for a collection of writings that would best fit to a group of ill educated, sexually repressed idiots that live in a desert 2000 years ago....... Then the bible would be a perfect glove.
TheSpankymonkey 2 years ago 4
This Australian guy is a scammer. How do thinking people believe in this mythical, iron-age-illiterate, story-book nonsense = religion? How do people gullibly fall for the existence of angels, afterlife with an imaginary boss in the sky, miracles, virgin birth, etc.? Religion is a childish story-book fiction. If taken seriously, religion is a fraudulent fabrication based on fictitious characters that, thus far have failed to offer verifiable proof of their existence.
goldstead 2 years ago
I agree fully with cyxgun. The christianity that is known to be so rightious and holy can be no more, if people would just realize how immoral and contradictory its scripture is. My mother and her bf are "psychic" scam artists themselves, so I understand how they and christianity are similar. (theyre both stubborn, closed-minded, etcetera. and pretend to be the oppostite)
lamby284 2 years ago 2
As an Australian I sincerely apologize for this super moron. How embarrassing. Unfortunately for Americans there is no way he would get an audience in Australia. He is just too dumb for us. Which is a worry for the USA, where he has an audience.
movieklump 2 years ago
As you say down under, no worries mate. There's idiots from all over the globe, and we've certainly produced our share here in the US as well.
Videos like this are the answer. When religious people declare themselves immune to logic and evidence, by playing the 'faith' card, our only response can be ridicule. Pointing out the immorality and foolishness of their beliefs will win the fight, by putting them where they belong amongst the psychics astrologers and other scam artists.
cyxgun 2 years ago 9
I apologise too.
Atheeizm 2 years ago
how the fuck did we get one of these christian psychopaths in australia???
foiran 2 years ago
A priest here in United Kingdom recently shared with us about the contradictions of the bible. There are others too that aren't happy to know that they have received tons of questions from the people about contradictions in the bible. This shows, if the bible has contradictions, that how can it be called as 'holy'?
H591boy 2 years ago 2
I sometimes visualize that the God of the Bible is real and when I die I get judged and shit. But it seems so fucking unlogical. I mean, Humans aren't gods, we are easily tricked by our own dumb mind. You can't blame anyone for having limited intelligence, right? Well, you can blame god. He would be the one to blame cause he was to lazy to make something out of the universe. What a cock. And then because he is lazy and creates dumb people WE have to take the blame. Motherfucking cocksucker.
philateliceun 2 years ago
It is so plain to see! I have watched in amazement, since I went to a Catholic school, that people think the bible is anything more than a collection of tales. The Koran is even more crazy and yet muslims kill and die for it.
When will people smarten up? I say everyone should take an extra year of science at school to chase away the nonsense of creation, young earth, Jinns and chosen people. "chosen people", for Christ's sake........ooppsss!
AbelMagwitch73 2 years ago
I love how "Thou Shalt Not Own Slaves" didn't make the cut for the 10 commandments.
Its worse to work on saturday than OWN another human being. so awesome
alienmoonbase 2 years ago 2
see...there are no christians.They just think they are.And those who really share these opinions with god are total retards.
Pravda911 2 years ago
i've had ENOUGH of christians. they keep sending me messages about how i shouldnt be friends with gay people and its pissing me the hell off
BlackFlames222 2 years ago
5/5 I agree completely
TheFlST 2 years ago
edomites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bronxthuggin 2 years ago
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
teasing him then killing him for being a pacifist? that son of a bitch god!
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
HEY!!! that is my passage!!!!! Damit, now I have to find another one. But no worries, go to sceptics bible and you will find thousands of verses from the Bible AND the Koran. Science bless you
philateliceun 2 years ago
Worry ye not, for (evilbible dot,com) is at hand!
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
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Jesus, yielded up the ghost behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying Truly this was the Son of God.
valu777 2 years ago
u will find both good points and bad points in any humans point of view, the bible is no different but it does say 2 love they brother as ur loved, that is God's 1st thought said by Jesus, if we find the good in religion then its right no matter what
angels0132 2 years ago
I'd like to have a big poster with all those sick asocial bible quotes on it, preferably with some background drawing of some disgusting inquisition torture and put a big title on it like; "Thank you Christians" signed Lucifer.
masterdurchgriff 2 years ago
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this guy will pay dearly. i will pray for him
humpy1980 2 years ago
When something is taken out of the context then it can mean a totaly diferent thing.Like at 1:40,Jesus Christ didn't say that.He was talking about the story of the 10 sacks and the lord that told his slaive what to do but he didn't so that lord said:''those enemis of mine...''
BataSrbin 2 years ago
any verse from the old testament that has anything to do with violence or slavery or anything anti-christian does not apply to christians. why? matthew 5:38 "ye have heard that it hath been said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth 39: but i say unto you, that ye risist no evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheeck, turn to him the other also." and verse 43. this clearly shows how christians should live despite what's in the old testament since is doesnt apply to us.
hermanoguzman 2 years ago
That's funny, then what does this mean? "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
usshuntly 2 years ago
"For all the law is fullfilled in one word, even in this "you shall love your neighbor as yourself"(galatians 5:14 nkjv) jesus sais this in matthew 7:14. this is some of the fullmillment jesus talked about. he fullfilled all the messianic prophecys in the ot and some of the old rules that applied to the jews were no longer to be opposed on christians such as circumcision. so jesus was to fullfill and he did, he let us know that some of the law doesnt apply to us but he didnt abolish all of it.
hermanoguzman 2 years ago
Do you believe the Ten Commandments are valid?
Binaural03375 2 years ago
yes i do
hermanoguzman 2 years ago
Sill,aren't the Commandments and principles within it relevant and are important to those that believe in God?
kub73158 2 years ago
Religious folk freely admit that without there relationship with god they would be dangerous bad people, this is an open admittance of innate evil, one must wonder what abuse theyve been through to be such self harmers. I was brought up in a religious background, nice people but they were broken, i could tell that from an early age.
outled 2 years ago
being raised in the bible belt help me understand how fucked christianity is. i despise organized religeon
retrocareermelted 3 years ago
Fuck the bible. It's sick. There are so many religions out there, what the hell makes the bible the correct one?
Also, the bible is now being exposed for stealing from prior religions.
BioBoosterGuyver 3 years ago
what is that song?
Metallifreak 3 years ago
Echoes by Pink Floyd I do believe
davemakesawave 3 years ago
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this video is just propaganda, the information is slanted obviously.
look at the context of these bible verses with a pastor and understand the nature of God.
anyone can look at a line in a book and say, Oooo.. its so evil it says we should kill things.. its so stupid get your head on straight and read the whole book.
thegreatace 3 years ago
we've discussed context. context is on the right. context doesn't clear murder, rape, misogyny, etc.
especially when the context isn't even mentioned. example: why were the midianites slaughtered? hmm?
directedchaos 3 years ago
directedchaos
Here's the answer:
"After YHVH your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, YHVH has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness. No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that YHVH is going to drive them out before you." - Deuteronomy 9:4
Also:
"Like the nations YHVH destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying YHVH your God." - Deuteronomy 8:20
preachinshawn 1 year ago
@directedchaos Well said.
humanistheart 1 year ago
i think your full of shit, its too easy to dismiss it like that man. i feel what your saying, but it sounds like an excuse to not answer the questions, otherwise you would have went ahead and debunked the passages easily for us. as a christian your obligated to direct sheep the narrow path.
retrocareermelted 3 years ago
BTW - Anyone who sees me and dalkordigo's conversation - We are just two people with different POV's talking about a metter of creation and evolution. This is not a sling mud compitition - out of all the nasty comments and name calling - I would hope that one can read our discussion and bring respect and a light of knowledge to the conversation besides junk... The same just you see elsewhere in the youtube world...
Fusion840 3 years ago
not entirely useless;[3] it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments — which makes it important for physicians and patients to remember the importance of these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.... I dont think its useless...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Lets be real - I wasnt looking for a tree millions of years old - I know leaves fall in the winter and gone by the spring. Nothing last that long... lol. My point was simply that there is no proof of an old earth through Plant life... It hasent changed through out time. Only in size. Due to changes in the earth oxygen lvls and pressure.
Fusion840 3 years ago
Well your wrong. It has changed a lot over time. Different families such as algae, mosses and ferns have evolved and there are fossils to back it up.
Same thing with the trees.
"Nothing last that long... lol."
Sure but in some ways they can. Fossilisation practically makes it a rock. But you can still determine age and see intricate structures as growthrings in trees.
dalkordigo 3 years ago
In evolution we should see a changes, were are they. The old organisims should not be here they have either evoloved into something else or died off by natural selection. But why is it that we find the same organisims in the Cambrian Explosion alive today? There is nothing new... The trees are the same... Where is evidence of Plant trasitionals?
Fusion840 3 years ago
You do see changes. You do have transitional.
And last but not least you don't have to have change in an organism if there is no pressure to change. Like shifting climate and such.
That is why crocs and sharks havent changed. They just are that good at what they do. Same goes for plants.
dalkordigo 3 years ago
They are no changes - I looked it up. Lets just search here. We have conifers, ginkos, seaweeds. They are all the same... If humans and monkeys came from a common ancestor - that shoudl null the common ansestor due to their mutations. But in plants the so-called common ansestors are still around Bacteria, blue green alge... They may be all photoautotrophs, but they are still around - I see evidence of a common concept but not common ancestor....
Fusion840 3 years ago
Conifers and Ginkos are part of a branch of the tree of life called Gynosperms. Seaweed is not. To tie these three examples together you might have to go back to very simple life. I'm no expert but that's the obvious fault of your example.
Besides all that it doesn't matter how many holes or gaps you think you found or that actually exists in said tree of life.
It's still a tree.
The truth of that is all around and in basicly every field of science whether you choose to see it or not.
dalkordigo 3 years ago
What are you talking about I made only the example that plant life stayed the same. The examples I gave were examples of plants that existed "Millions of years ago" that are pretty much alive today... and the same might I add... What family they belong to is irrelevant, they are all Photoautotrophs, look it up...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Holes and gaps dosent matter - If I have a step by step guide and step 1 shows a maple leaf... and step 6 shows a maple leaf... Then I can conclude, with evidence that steps 2,3,4, and 5 were also maple leaves. Due to their changes in size, I can definitly say that they have changed... In size only... Look at the experiments with grape tomatos in Pre-Noah sim enviorment, the experiment accuratly shows the changes in size, but they also maintained organic appearance...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Hmm so if I get you right now its the fact that algae still exists and that pines and such existed long ago you base the "no change" argument. Right?
dalkordigo 3 years ago
There is no evidence of evolution - that's all - forget about that for now... We've spent enough time on it - If you feel we still need to discuss it, fine. But I encourage everyone to watch this - Testimony About Heaven and Hell - He was dead and he came back from the afterlife. Part 1 / 5. And many others like it and to take in consideration who Christ really is...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Already done my homework on that case and its weak at best.
Nice to see someone atleast doing an honest copout. Rather than actually learning you avoid the subject. Of all the non-evo fellas ive discussed the E with you seem to be one of the most honest.
dalkordigo 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I clearly said we can con't this converstation I never copped out - THats something I never do... Evolution is a false science - The claims are outragous and that evidence is lacking.... Thats it - Your homework needs to be reveiwed -
Fusion840 3 years ago
... with all that said (above or below or somewhere :P) there is a debate going on whether Gymnosperm is a clade* or not.
As always it is not enough to point out an error in one side to prove the other side.
* As in not a single branch of the tree. Might be that the characteristics for gymnosperms evolved on more then one branch. Like if for example some reptilians would evolve nipples. :)
dalkordigo 3 years ago
If there was a great flood. Where did all the water go? How did the animals get to the Florida everglades? If God knows all then why did he ask what they had done after the apple was eaten? Cain was set about to walk the world aimlessly by himself forever after killing his brother. Yet he helped build cities and he also married. God created Satan as one of his angels. Satan is evil? So God made a mistake since he is perfect?
Mychaels 3 years ago
The big bang theory is a load of crap. If you put a whale on land with no water.. would it evolve to survive or die? things were made once and stayed that way. Plus if things evovled , then how come human bodies are all from 200yrs ago 2 now? why havnt humans evovled with wings , or a tail or camofalge.. ask yourself , did u come from a monkey? and if u belive so , then u havnt evovled. ur stil a monkey :P
msabih 3 years ago
it takes more that 200 years for '' wings'' to evolve. Try millions. Why do humans have tail bones??Gall bladders?? You really need to read up on the evolutionary process. You really don't have a clue.
Werwulfinme 3 years ago
What - Gall bladders are non vital organs that aid in the digestive trac.... They're tons of non vital parts we have... We loose them and still manage to live... Like one kedney... Also tail bones are in all mammals, they are developed through the early stages of birth... I asked the doctor about that when my son was born... He said that they develop these structures when the brain is developing, its apart of the CNS...
Fusion840 3 years ago
All the technology we have are just replicas of what we see in nature - Light, computers, flight... I dont take it for granted, I love technology, Im a computer tech. But as for your bronze age comment - The ancients had an understanding of technology, astronomy, arcitechture, and Metrics far better than today. We are still trying to figure them out... Great Pyrimids, Aztec temples, they were on another plane of understanding...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Question for the Evolutionist - The oldest living tree is estamated to be 9,550 Years old - 13 foot tall. in Sweden - And the evos are saying that forests emerged 370 million years ago - then where are the 369,990,450 years trees between now and then?
Fusion840 3 years ago
thank you once again from proving the complete ignorance and idiocy of scientific illiterates (creationists).
common sense glasses? on here we... in the last 150+ since the inception of theory of evolution: geology, paleontology, biology, chemistry, physics, medicine and all major branches of science have not only supported evolution, but have strengthened the theory.
axemurderer27 3 years ago
meanwhile, you and your ignorant equivalents sit there questioning the same theory and scientific method that built the technology to light your room, built your computer, created all the technology you take for granted because why? because it's compatible with your bronze-age religious text...
if you don't want to accept the theory hat has the support and consensus of the scientific community, be the bigger man and completely devoid yourself all technology. at least the amish have dignity
axemurderer27 3 years ago
"forests emerged 370 million years ago - then where are the 369,990,450 years trees between now and then?"
Historians are saying Hitler was around 60+ years ago. Then where is he NAO?!?!??!?!?!? Disbelieve!
The sad thing is, you don't realize your own idiocy. The trees are dead, mate. Dead. Dust. Into the ground. Eaten. By maggots and other plants. Recycled.
Oye, you were the slow kid in school, weren't you? :(
directedchaos 3 years ago 4
What are you talking about - It was a simple question, your comments are usless - And if they are all gone what proof do they have that they emerged 370 mil years ago??? I thought origins of life were defined by the fossil records? And if a horseshoe crab can be fossilized in perferct shape, even a fish with fossilized flesh - where is my tree?
Fusion840 3 years ago
Plz google "oldest tree fossil" and read the first hit.
After that read up on fossilisation. Then you might understand why people mock you.
Just as a side note. You really didn't expect there to be 370 million year old trees out in the forest did you?
dalkordigo 3 years ago
Sorry for not responding to those to mocked me - I was tending to my 4 month old son - he is sick. But nothing major - But the point of my comment is that how can we determine that forest exist 370 mil years ago? I know things decompose, I'm not stupid, it was the way it was worded. But my point is where is the evidence of these trees - and there are no trees older than 10,000 years - we should have ton of trees older than that or evidence of any fossilized trees - There are fossilized plants...
Fusion840 3 years ago
Fusion...reread what you typed .. the oldest LIVING tree... key word.. LIVING!!
Werwulfinme 3 years ago
Werewolves of London
miket1m 3 years ago
LOL!!!!!! Like 19:27 got me WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus was telling a parable - SERIOUSLY if you watch this and just take it as it is - YOU ARE BEING WILLFULLY, WILLFULLY IGNORANT - THis is truly being sheepish - be pro active read for yourself - this was a parable of the master who left his servant - Jesus didnt say bring them here and kill them in front of me.... WOW, people really hate Jesus...
Fusion840 3 years ago
"Jesus was telling a parable"
par·a·ble (pr-bl)
n.
A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.
So in Jesus's MORAL/RELIGIOUS LESSON, the prince turned king ordered "bring them here and kill them in front of me", nearly verbatim. YOU are being "WILLFULLY, WILLFULLY IGNORANT."
Read your Bible.
directedchaos 3 years ago
My point of the comment is that you did not understand the parable - If you read it and got that revelation - You clearly missed the meaning of it - Your comment was useless.
Fusion840 3 years ago
"My point of the comment is that you did not understand the parable"
What didn't I understand? Prince = Jesus gives money = talents to people = people which they are supposed to use (great). Those who don't, have their money taken from them (talk about regressive taxes), and it all ends with the happy slaughtering of those who didn't want him to be king.
Tell me, what does Luke 19:27 mean, mister smarty-parable-reader?
You can't say. Just surely not what it looks like, right?!?!?¡¿¡¿
directedchaos 3 years ago
@directedchaos Luke 19; 27 is part of a story that Jesus tells about a man that goes to a city to be king, and that man says "thous enemies of mine...". You have to look around the bible verses to se what it mean.
orsolli 1 year ago
Every single one of those verses - on the video has been shown out of context way out of context - like the Isiah 13
:15 - watching this video you would be like - GOD is evil, how could he! But when you read it you would understand that Isiah is a prophet and was describing the end times - This type of stuff will happend. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE talking about? - its like me saying "I WILL NOT KILL ALL MEN" and you post me saying "KILL ALL MEN" get my entire message?!?!?
Fusion840 3 years ago
"Every single one of those verses - on the video has been shown out of context way out of context"
There is no context which justifies GENOCIDE, CHILD MURDER, RAPE, etc. -- particularly because some other culture worships a different God and has land you want.
"Isiah is a prophet and was describing the end times - This type of stuff will happend"
But at whose orders? GOD'S! God is still responsible. It'd be like me shooting you, then trying to claim "you had it coming in your end times!"
directedchaos 3 years ago
Exodus 31:15 Sabbath, well if you don't believe in a Holy Gd then I guess this one won't make sense. Titus 2:9 (should quote in modern English) Yes the Bible teaches submission, wife to husband, children to parents, to police, the judge, your boss... and in the Roman Empire slaves to masters, like what's your point? You want rebellion? OH..sorry directedchaos...you do. Yes I believe in male leadership. MOST adult men do.
androcracy 3 years ago
"Exodus 31:15 [...] won't make sense."
Is that an admission that it'd be IMMORAL to KILL SOMEONE for WORKING on the WRONG DAY? Man such a fight for something so obvious!
"Titus 2:9"
Again, rewatch the video. The thesis is that, in addition to contradicting all of modern science, the Bible also contradicts most of modern morality. You haven't put forth any argument against that, except some dead WRONG claims about modern support for male chauvinism, and the death penalty for everything.
directedchaos 3 years ago
Sorry, Leviticus 20:10,was about adultery and srtiaght forward. Isaiah 13:15 should be read in it's proper setting/context, as its describing what prophetically what the Persians did to the Babylonians! Luke 19:27, I dare ya to read the context. It's a parable describing not prescribing. Grow up please! Leviticus 20:13 ?? what's the problem? Ha ha!! 1 Corinthians 14:34 Women silent in the churches.... I wish women would be silent outside the churches too!
androcracy 3 years ago
"Leviticus 20:10,was about adultery and srtiaght forward"
For the record, you have no other arguments there then? Just you agree in the death penalty for adultery, which most modern societies do *NOT*.
"Isaiah 13:15 [...] Persians did to the Babylonians!"
God is talking? Just before that He threatens earthquakes when He's angry, and if He finds you, He'll kill you, your children, and rape your wife. Again, totally immoral!
directedchaos 3 years ago
"Luke 19:27 [...] parable"
I already noted it's a parable in the video! Which you watched, right? Here's the question: WHY DID THE PRINCE KILL THEM? Just because it's a parable doesn't mean it's morally off the hook: the exact opposite, it carries an enormous amount of moral weight!
The parable is the talents parable we're all taught in sunday school. It's about using what God gives you and growing it, which is grand and all, but at the end there's this line which gets left off.
directedchaos 3 years ago
Why does sunday school leave it off?
"Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Because it's obviously IMMORAL. God is saying: use the talents I give you, and if you don't want me to be your God, then I'll KILL YOU. A common theme. Jesus = the prince turned king. Thinking isn't that hard...
directedchaos 3 years ago
"Leviticus 20:13 ?? what's the problem?"
Death penalty for homosexuality now! At least with adultery, someone is hurt. Who's hurt when two men decide to make some lovin'? You, because you're left out?
YOU LAUGHED ABOUT KILLING GAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY. YOU LOSE AT LIFE.
Or maybe: "Grow up please!"
"1 Corinthians 14:34 [...] I wish women would be silent outside the churches too!"
Your misogyny is deep.
directedchaos 3 years ago
Numbers 31:17 What's the problem, specific case being described here, not the rule. Read the context! Over and over it states that the wickedness in the land was so great that they had to be judged. The whores were trying to lead the men into adultery. Hosea 13:16 Again out of context, quote the whole verse please. Clearly not prescribing what should happen, but prophetically describing what did take place to Israel later in history. Leviticus 20:10 Again out of context, it's describing
androcracy 3 years ago
Now I'm glad we finally get to the gritty details, because there's far more evil in the Bible that glaringly obvious if you just look hard enough, instead of skimming with a "glory to God!" drunken haze.
I don't have much hope of getting to you, so this is more for everyone else, but at the very least try to think about my point of view for the sake of knowing your enemy better. What's the harm in examining the Bible more closely anyway, right? ;)
I'll address the "context" etc. for each.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"Numbers 31:17 What's the problem, specific case being described here, not the rule"
1) NO case warrants KILLING babies, RAPING virgins (as PERMANENT SEX SLAVES), etc.
2) This WAS the rule. To clarify: God basically told Israel to conquer everybody in their path, and do this to them. Israel was too LENIENT in this case, which brought out the more clear brutal commands, but you see them all throughout the old testament during Israel's wars.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"Hosea 13:16 Again out of context, quote the whole verse please."
KJV: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
"Clearly not prescribing what should happen"
Wrong. They worshipped a different deity, and thus God punished them -- that *IS* what *SHOULD* have happened, according to the Bible.
Obviously immoral in a modern, free, pluralistic society.
directedchaos 3 years ago
The only people video's tend to convince are young and ignorant. I maintain exactly what I said below. Yes many country's do have capital punishment for adultery. If you poled those who've been cheated on, most at the time of offense wouldn't take issue with it. As for the references quoted in this clip...or miss quoted. I'm not going take too much time, I'm sure folks make up there mind before they really do the research.
androcracy 3 years ago
"many country's do have capital punishment for adultery"
Name them. Extremist middle eastern countries much?
Obviously NOT the audience this is aimed at: our Western values (such as a woman's right to vote, which you probably also disagree with!) are in definite conflict with those.
So, there's two counts of Biblical immorality you readily admit:
1) Male chauvinism (arguably misogyny)
2) Capital punishment for minor infractions
Again, the free world disagrees with you on those two counts.
directedchaos 3 years ago
By the way, for a more line-by-line critical analysis of the Bible from an atheist perspective see:
skepticsannotatedbible(.)com
Do yourself a favor and read the Bible -- it's all there -- with their side notes.
directedchaos 3 years ago
Ha ha! Relax, I wasn't expecting to change your mind, and I don't have time to continue showing the holes in your responses! I'd love to talk to you in person with a Bible in front of us. "modern morality"? I have a basis for objective morality. To an atheist, materialist or someone who rejects the Bible, you are totally self-deluded if you think you can talk about right and wrong and be consistent with your world view. On what basis are you judging your ideas of "wrong/wright" and morality?!
androcracy 3 years ago
"I don't have time to continue showing the holes in your responses! "
Because I win all the arguments. The OT has a wrathful God leading a warlike culture to total domination, complete with genocide, child murder, and virgin rape -- WAR CRIMES by the GENEVA CONVENTION. Aka, AGAINST MODERN MORALITY.
You lose. Just admit that you don't buy into the morality of modern western free societies!
directedchaos 3 years ago
"I have a basis for objective morality"
Yes: God is good, that is your "objective" basis. The Nazis had a similar "objective" basis: Hitler is good. Do God's will, because he is good -- not because the deeds are good. The Nazis did Hitler's will, not because it was good -- but because Hitler was their God.
Just because you have A MORALITY -- and ANY morality is BASED on something, yours is the God of the Bible, Nazis was the Furor -- DOESN'T MAKE IT A GOOD MORALITY.
HITLER=EVIL, GOD=EVIL.
directedchaos 3 years ago
In other words, to figure out if someone is good, you have to see if they DO and ADVOCATE GOOD DEEDS. Hitler did NOT, God did NOT. Hitler did EVIL deeds, God did EVIL deeds.
To say "child murder and virgin rape is ok because God ordered it" is like saying "the holocaust is ok because HItler ordered it."
THAT is how blind you are. It's called BLIND FAITH.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"On what basis are you judging your ideas of "wrong/wright" and morality?!"
MODERN MORALITY. In modern free societies, we believe women should be treated equal to men. And blacks to whites. We believe one shouldn't be persecuted because of what they do -- or don't -- believe about what is not known (aka, God).
We certainly believe murder is wrong, let alone child murder. Rape is wrong, let alone virgin rape. And all in the name of a God invented by one remote tribe of the world?
Please.
directedchaos 3 years ago
If you choose to reject the Bible and Gd for athesism then there is no such thing as morality...so why are you bitter & twisted? How do you judge wright/wrong? Majority opinion? Obviously you aren't keeping in mind the modern atrocities justified by or resulting from naturalistic thinking. The only reason we are somewhat civil here in the west is because of Judeo-Christian influence! Thinking you can be righteous by your own standards..By the way... you would fail a exegesis class.
androcracy 3 years ago
"If you choose to reject the Bible and Gd for athesism then there is no such thing as morality"
THERE IS. Look up secular humanism for one of MILLIONS of examples.
"so why are you bitter & twisted?"
Idiots like you claim WE have no morality, while YOU advocate CHILD MURDER, VIRGIN RAPE, etc.
Fact: atheists make up ~.01% of the prison population, but ~10% of the general population. Atheists are ~5% less likely to divorce than Christians.
And 100% less likely to suicide bomb for Allah.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"you would fail a exegesis class."
You wouldn't know what one was if it smacked you in the balls. Every significant RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR *KNOWS* that the OT was written by a warlike culture with morals at odds with modern morality.
If people like you had your way, I'd be dead, my children (if I had any) enslaved, my wife raped, etc. Don't claim the West's freedoms as your culture's doing. It was deists, read up on your founding fathers.
Everyone can only be righteous by their own standards.
directedchaos 3 years ago
[cont] "Everyone can only be righteous by their own standards."
It's up to everyone else to judge how moral those standards are. Again, we judge Hitler as IMMORAL, as we should judge GOD (of the Bible, especially the OT) as IMMORAL.
directedchaos 3 years ago
Wow Ha ha !!! You need to grow up kid! Talk about civility, your colors are showing! Calm down you sound like a raving lunatic! Are you foaming at the mouth? The Bible doesn't affirm rape and baby killing etc... these are your deluded uneducated conclusions. I am a theologian, and no your accusations (rest easy) wouldn't be affirmed in any Serious Bible college. That's why you're stuck down here ranting on Youtube. If you want to be objective then research on a broad base, not just bible haters!
androcracy 3 years ago
"The Bible doesn't affirm rape and baby killing etc"
Go in circles much? Yes, your type likes circular logic, but this is worse: you have NO logic. You are CONTRADICTING yourself. You ADMITTED that the Israelites killed babies and raped virgins because God commanded them to, but then turn around and DENY that the Bible advocates such acts!
YOU ARE INSANE. Or 1984 doublethink. Same difference?
"I am a theologian [...] Bible college"
I said religious scholar. Not Bible belt school.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"you're stuck down here ranting on Youtube."
Actually, I'm a grad student studying a USEFUL field (engineering related, the sciency-stuff that HELPS humanity). I'm here for mental masturbation -- jerking off to idiots like you about how superior I am.
You, on the other hand, are stuck not addressing my points RIPPING YOUR WHOLE LIFE PURPOSE TO SHREDS. You can't. You're blind.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"research on a broad base, not just bible haters!"
I do. Again, real religious scholars readily admit that the OT was written by a warlike culture with morals vastly different from our own.
Ever heard of "liberal"? A NON fundamentalist reading of the Bible? Maybe the Earth isn't 6,000 years old, huh? Maybe rape, child murder, slavery, etc. AREN'T "God's" commandments, but just what an ancient victorious culture did?
Hmm?
directedchaos 3 years ago
" jerking off to idiots like you about how superior I am."
LOL. they can't address your arguments, they are relying on an ancient mythical book!
GodLessRant 3 years ago
You are clearly uneducated - the bible is compiled of 66 books by 44 aurthors in a span of 1500 years... Know what you are talking about... This documents the events and historical occurances of teh times the material was written... So Mytical Books is teh term you are looking for, BUT mythical - I think not - Find me a book that can clearly phrophesy on world events and you got yourself a heck of a book... You also have other post and various things you clearly dont know the meaning of.
Fusion840 3 years ago
Uneducated in the biblical history.
Fusion840 3 years ago
"modern atrocities justified by or resulting from naturalistic thinking"
This is the old "who killed more: atheists or Christians?" The question is misleading (though Christians CLEARLY WIN); the real question: "which caused more death: atheism or Christianity" in which case Christianity clearly leads, while atheism -- via science -- is actually in the negatives.
Hitler and Stalin didn't KILL in the NAME of atheism. The Crusade, Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, etc were in the NAME of OT God
directedchaos 3 years ago
Again in an atheist evolutionist world-view there is no such thing as right and wrong. Sorry dude, it's "dog eat dog" "survival of the fittest" "natural selection" "weed out the weak". This is normal thinking from a naturalist perspective, and so was birthed the Eugenics movement. It's a logical fallacy to assert morality from an Evolutionist perspective. Please read Richard Dawkins or Carl Sagan. You are still borrowing your sense of right and wrong from a Judeo-Christian world view. When the
androcracy 3 years ago
"in an atheist evolutionist world-view there is no such thing as right and wrong."
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directedchaos 3 years ago
"You are still borrowing your sense of right and wrong from a Judeo-Christian world view."
You are still IGNORANT of the meaning of MORALITY. MORALITY is just a CODE OF BEHAVIOR. HITLER had a MORALITY; it was just judged IMMORAL by general consensus modern morality.
MORALITIES develop throughout TIME; they EVOLVE. Child murder, rape, slavery, women's status, etc. have liberalized throughout the years.
So yes, Judeo-Christian culture played a part in modern morality. So did Greek voting.
directedchaos 3 years ago
out working of a "survival of the fittest" belief system is completely unquestioned, rape, murder etc. will be much more easily justified. At least with a creator we are god-like, have dignity, purpose, and a higher nature. What is marriage then? Just another way to preserve your genes? So why shouldn't your wife have someone else's seed if his is better than yours? What if someone beats the f--k out of you and rapes your wife? You upset? It's survival of the fittest ya know and he's not "wrong"
androcracy 3 years ago
"At least with a creator we are god-like, have dignity, purpose, and a higher nature."
And with a Creator, you must follow His rules, even if they are IMMORAL. If God told you to kill your son, you would have to -- a la Abraham (whom child services would lock up).
It's like saying "Hitler is King, therefore we MUST do what Hitler says." NO NO NO.
Now, with secular humanism, a MORALITY THAT FOCUSES ON THE VALUE OF HUMANS, we have "dignity, purpose, and a higher nature" without that risk.
directedchaos 3 years ago
"a "survival of the fittest" belief system"
EVOLUTION = SCIENTIFIC THEORY != MORALITY
Just because NATURE evolved SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST doesn't mean WE SHOULD USE THAT AS OUR "MORALITY." In fact, we don't -- most liberals advocate WELFARE, TAXES, etc. meant to help the WEAK. Conservatives -- CHRISTIANS -- take the OPPOSITE stance, advocating DOG EAT DOG CAPITALISM.
In theory, you lose. In practice, you lose.
YOU LOSE. Atheists HAVE A MORALITY. That MORALITY CAN BE LIKE THE RELIGIOUS.
directedchaos 3 years ago
I recommend you come out of the mire and look into some affirmative discussions of the ancient near east. Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties-By Gleason L. Archer, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics-by Norman Geisler, Alleged Discrepancies of The Bible-by John Haley, Hard Sayings of The Bible-by InerVarsity Press. For a more philosophical perspective consider someone like William Lane Criag, Ravi Zacharias, or CS Lewis. My particular interests are in Archeology and history. Gd speed!
androcracy 3 years ago
I love the Bible!! I trust Mosaic laws are provisional, have wisdom and foresight that ours don't. Also it's important to know that the above propaganda is taking some of the quotes out of an obvious context to the natural reader. I absolutely believe that adulterers should be put to death! What planet are you living on! Every society is founded on marriage and we refuse to recognize it but not protect it?
androcracy 3 years ago
"the above propaganda" That is your opinion; in reality I honor truth in the highest regard. To that end...
"quotes out of an obvious context"
Like I've asked other religious commenters: *what* quotes and *what* context? I genuinely believe these quotes represent the morals of an ancient aggressive chauvinistic society that contradicts our own.
"adulterers should be put to death"
The modern world does NOT -- ergo, 'What planet are you living on!'
I wait for valid criticism/"correction".
directedchaos 3 years ago
(errantly posted the above comment on someone else's account -- and corrected it)
directedchaos 3 years ago
For the trickle of curious viewers, look up the definition of "androcracy":
"social and political rule by men"
No wonder this commenter likes the sexist Bible.
directedchaos 3 years ago