Change-ups Improves Your Fastball And Reduces Pitch Counts

[wogdoggy]

wow..thats too big a difference and way to noticable to a veteran hitter..change about 8mph to 11 slower..th

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy was that in reply to me? What I was saying was timing differences, not velocity differences. A 92 mph fastball should have a 83-85 mph changeup and a 76-80 mph curveball.

[wogdoggy]

@noahmcdx nope,,you have it correct

[noahmcdx]

The changeup is not supposed to be 10-20 mph slower. Your curveball is your slowest pitch, and a good curveball has 12-6 spin, and it's about 15 mph. Why do you think people are out in front of changeups more than they are curveballs? Because a curveball has such a large difference in speed, it's recognizable. A perfect changeup would be about 7-8 mph slower than the fastball, give or take a little bit.

[uscfan656]

you guys are fuckin retarded.... he is right. Maybe when a kids is older he should start spotting up the changeup but when he is a young kid all u wanna do is have him get confidence with it and learn that it will work for you.

[noahmcdx]

@uscfan656 there's no excuse for not atleast trying to be able to do things like hit your spots, mess with hitters timing, and do things big leaguers do on the hill. Kid's expectations these days are far too low.

[tyty234567]

I bet you people have never played baseball and are trying to look like you know everything, be a pitcher n win a shutout to talk back about this video, hes right

[DanielNewman47]

Great video.Spot on regarding grip and bat speeds.Grammatically the past of the verb to speed is sped not speeded however.

[leebaseball11]

He's said "at this level".  He's talking about youth league level. I think I'd listen to Dick Mills over falcondude32 any day of the week.

[wogdoggy]

cmon dick,,location is everything with a change up..you throw it outside and low because the bat's already gone..throw it inside and when your early{which is what a change up does} YOU still have a chance to hit it,,change ups always belong outside and low IF POSSIBLE

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy not true. Somewhat true, but not necessarily true. Depends who you're throwing to. Righty vs lefty, or lefty vs righty, a 80 mph change up inside to start off an atbat appears to be 86 mph, because every foot the ball doesn't travel thats another 3 mph of reaction time. So to hit an inside pitch, you have to hit it ABOUT 2 feet more out in front to get good wood on it.

[wogdoggy]

@noahmcdx outside to a right..his barrel is GONE of the outside part of the plate FIRST..he's early with the bat he has ZERO chance..if the ball is inside he WILl have a better chance being early on his swing..the barrel passes the inside of the plate LAST..its just basic physics.i'm not saying you cant get a guy out on the inside part but the pitch design and the physics of the swing gives you a better success outside

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy What you don't do is go fastball outside then changeup inside. Because that would appear almost the same speed. The batter's timing on both pitches would be very similar. If you start a hitter off with a changeup inside, what does it matter? You didn't throw a fastball earlier in the atbat to get him off balance, so the premise of the changeup inside, and then outside, is to set up the fastball inside. And that two-pitch combo sets up an inside fastball better than any other.

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy By the way, that's not really physics. Physics are the way things react to certain forces & what not. All your talking about is internal timing, which is not effected if their is no fastball previous to the changeup for the hitter to base his timing off. Your swing does not change based on where the ball is(inside versus outside). The only difference is your timing, which is why an outside pitch seems slower. You have to wait longer to hit it properly; opposite w/ an inside pitch.

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy Second pitch of the atbat could be a 80 mph low and away changeup, which appears to seem at 74, for the same reason - you have to let it travel another 2 feet or so to hit it the other way. Next pitch would be 88 mph fastball in on the hands, and that looks like its 94. Popup or strikeout everytime.

[noahmcdx]

@wogdoggy Any difference in speed larger than 18 mph(but less than a certain point, probably 26 mph or so),so long that the hitter isn't sitting on it, is impossible for the batter's eye to track it and put a bat on it, unless by complete luck, of course (74 mph - 94 mph)

[chupalambestaki]

Well said Dick...I would also suggest that along with the grip, a young pitcher should experiment throwing it with some "pronation". I find many of my youngsters do quite well with just a slight pronation.