This is great information. Everyone needs a flu shot to stop the next flu that could kill us all, just because one unvaccinated idiot wants to spoil it for everyone. I too work for vaccine manufacturing pharmaceutical company and I can give you the inside industry facts that no one has ever been harmed by vaccination. There are a lot of people out there who want some special attention and invent side effects. Just look at Desriee Jennings!
Say No to fools, and say Yes to vaccination for all!
@sensenrox30 Not yet available for my group yet. Primary concern groups are being vaccinated first (pregnant women, children under 6 years old, and those with respiratory problems like asthma). When the shot is available for me, I will be getting it.
@ThinkAbout1t That crap (vaccine) almost killed my perfectly healthy mother.
Oh wait and my friend. I don't believe swine flu is anything to be scared of. Unless you've a weak immune system, or have had the vaccine of course. Let's not forget we were on level 6 pandemic alert. What became of that? put bluntly, fuck all.
For the sake of it i'll tell you.
My dad is a doctor.
He confirms he isn't getting the vaccine
Never has, never will.
Neither will the other doctors in the group he works with.
Next time you want to say something back to someone and you "think it's a thought", simply let it go you zit head cock smoking frigen retard.. You come backs to a comment need help more then your diction you think that works.. Also if you where here, I would rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat jack ass..
Say pass in this room, and I mean in a crackhead pip way, like this zit turd before u all...
I'm amused that you used HTWW in your video, especially because he ridiculously smug and without much empirical evidence. Though I can see why you DID use him.
I just wouldn't reccomend it. Lee Doren isn't very credible.
Explain why, or admit being a troll. This is all just basic bio. Heck, you're saying that the James Randi Educational Foundation, hosting staff of whom a large portion contributes to the very scientific research you call fail, fail at researching.
No point in taking the vaccine for me anymore, as I have the swine flu now. I'm pretty sick, but it isn't all that bad. But how bad it is or how bad you think it is, varies from one person to another of course. : )
You are 20 something years old and you think speak as if you know everything about the swine flu but i have a few questions.
You say the media says you shouldn't get the flu shot, what media are you listening to? They do nothing but push the flu shot.
You seem to spend a lot of time spreading your pro-flu shot agenda, do you get paid for this or something? We all know the drug companies are making a fortune out of this.
Yes, you caught me, I'm not a bio undergrad at all, I've been hired by big name pharmaceuticals with my incredible youtube views, to help push the drug onto the masses.
If you'll look through the comments here, you can see how many people are opposed, and they'll usually tell you to go watch some video about either a cheerleader getting a flu shot and developing dystonia 10 days later, or talking about how mercury is going to kill us, or how the government is blah blah blah.
I also work for big pharmaceutical companies, they pay me millions just to spread the word about how great the flu shots make you feel.
Flu-Shotz® cured my AIDS & cured my impotence!
On a real note, if you don't believe pharmaceutical companies , just do a spectral analysis of the liquid & you get the same results as they publish....
Swine flu vcne. is monovalent, fluzone vacn is trivalent. there are subtle differences between the studied vaccines sited and the unstudied. On page 13 line 5 of the first insert listed on the CDC site, it states that it should not be given to pregnant woman unless a DOCTOR, not some Walgreens pharmacist, says the woman's condition necessitates the vaccine and it's risk. under the cancer an toxicity heading it states that this is unknown factor. pls read...you moron.
If you read the CDC site and it's posting of ingredients and guidelines that are in Pdf. format, you will see that 'Fluzone' is not the swine flu shot. In fact, the swine flu shot has not been studied, Fluzone effects were listed because it is a similarly formulated vaccine by the same company. Plus there are four different vaccinations. If you read the MedImmune insert on the CDC page, it confesses that it is LIVE virus and is to be given in the nose and that LIVE virus is shed for 3 weeks
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YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY, WELL LOOK UP "cheerleader get flu shot".. THEN JUST SAY GETTING THE FLU SHOT IS FINE. MAKE SURE TO GET YOURS NEXT.. MATTER OF FACT TAKE THE VIDEO OF IT..
You dumbshit. I don't care of the cheerleader immediately exploded into a million pieces after receiving a swine flu vaccination. You haven't even established correlation, let alone causation, and you've got no proposed mechanism. If your car breaks down on a windy day do you blame wind for it? God almighty, some people are dumb. (Yes, I know I'm being rude and insensitive. I'm trying to overcome the "all canadians are friendly" stereotype and I've got an uphill battle. Dumbass.)
Swine flu is just distraction so all the focus is not on the economy. Michael Jackson's death, day in, day out, was just another topic so the economy wasn't front and center. The media is this country is disgusting, to say the least. Let's hear real news on the news networks.
This guy is a fucking dumb ass. "If you can get the shot think about it" Yeah I'll take this dumb asses word for it.
Do Not get the fucking swine flu vaccine!!!! The flu is the least of our problems right now!! the new world order is emerging and attacking our civil liberties and our rights as human beings that's what we should be afraid of and doing something about right now!!!!! not worrying about the fucking flu!!!!!!!
Wow, fear mongering as science? People die from the common cold...what's the moral of you passing on ANY germ. Less than six degrees of separation to an imunno compromised individual who might die from your arrogance. Can you say "double blind placebo studies"...then talk about science because NONE have been done from flu vaccine because somehow it would be "unethical" (industry). People hold beliefs on many strange things. What would it look like if you were one here? How would you know?
The idea of perspectives is always an interest to me. In the same way that I see flu vaccine as a good idea, others see it as terrible. The difference is evidence (and again, they'd be saying the same thing, provided they're informed individuals). But the difference in evidence, is it's source.
Scientific studies regarding the ingredients of the vaccine debunk their claims about harm from the vaccine. Studies regarding the vaccine itself won't have come out yet, it's brand new. But we know...
agreed the studies have not been done on this newest flu vaccine. One would assume without proof of efficacy AND lack of harm it would not be tested on an open population. Flu vaccines in themselves are NOT new, however, those studies have not been done all these intervening decades. Still no double blind placebo control, peer review or otherwise has been done. Where is the science behind your claim? There isn't any. It's a belief based on correlation from inherently bias prone cohort studies.
everything that's in it already, and we know what effects it can have on the body.
That's how I know. Because I don't take my info from public news, or from any non-peer reviewed source of information. I take my info from places without susceptibility to bias.
maybe two-syllable words are too long for Geerup to handle, but you have a problem even spellinga one-syllable word within the sentence of your comment. Now, can your brain cope with the task of finding that word or you want me to tell you?
Omg someone actually did research on a subject, instead of just ranting on about something they have no knowleadge of!?!? What is the internet coming to!!!
you kinda look like that guy from the office...even talk like him...anyhow...while its not a point i havent heard before, its still a good one nevertheless. i think its a common reaction of people when everyone else is worrying about something there will be a portion of them who will resist going along at all lengths, who will avoid taking measures to avoid it just for the sake of not going with the crowd.
also i think there is the natural aversion to prevention. deal with it afterwards
refusing vaccination is NOT prevention, its quite literally doing NOTHING. its ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. and i dont think i would care nearly as much were it not for the fact that they could work to SPREAD the infection to many other people...if it was just some idiots killing themselves i wouldnt care, im all for death by stupidity, but not when it threatens others.
but what i was saying earlier is many people prefer to deal with things AFTER they happen (cont)
you see prevention takes effort, takes time, takes money, you have to keep on top of things and take time out of your schedule to deal with this, you have to change your patterns, etc. ive also noticed this true of computer security. there are many things people do not do, even when they are told to, simple things that could save their data, hardware, and personal information. but that would take constant work, they would rather ignore it and cross that bridge when they get to it.
I'm glad you understand computer security so hears an analogy. Flu vaccination without scientific data [peer reviewed double blind placebo trials] is equivalent to "security through obscurity". Hard open standards encryption and open standards policy beats it every time. The science always wins, flu vaccination is 'hope' without the science. For the record the default position towards medical claims is DISBELIEF. Proof is the responsibility of the proponent. There is no scientific proof thus far
Refusal is NOT prevention agreed. However, there is NO evidence that ACCEPTING is prevention either. The offered evidence is anecdotal. Gesticulating to the god of FLU vaccination with your outstretched arm offers no greater benefit (which can be scientifically claimed) than drinking yak piss or doing nothing at all, ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority instead of science notwithstanding.
where do you get the idea that vaccination is NOT tested and NOT proven, do you mean this certain vaccine? do you mean ALL flu vaccines (the vaccines given for the myriad flu strains known) flu vaccines in general HAVE undergone peer review, and have been tested under controlled situations (not against a placebo as the placebo affect doesnt happen in non-human animals but against a control) and have been proven in many cases. all new vaccines are tested insomuch as they are needed.
and i say insomuch as they are needed because some may be rushed to meet increased demand and may not undergo years of research, but for any one vaccine they are tested to work and tested against a control. personally i think there is enough evidence FOR the effectiveness of vaccines to win out against doing NOTHING, it seems only logical that you SHOULD do it. same for washing your hands or reducing contact with others when you have the disease.
Because you assert a statement you believe and think is logical or rational doesn't make it so. Science demands evidence of efficacy not correlation. Correlated evidence is what people often rightly condemn conspiracy theorist of. A longitudinal study (Cohort) is by it's nature such a study and susceptible to this "conspiracy" type bias. All the studies you can offer me on the Flu vaccine are of this type. Search all you want but there are no others. It hasn't been done.
A scientific claim of efficacy cannot then be made. One can only infer as a standard which has proven time and time again NOT to work. I'm not sure if you understand statistics or what can be 'proven' or 'inferred' from a control study and what become bias-able through design or accident. A "control" animal study does not PROVE scientific efficacy or safety in humans. Once animal safety is inferred: Placebo double blinded human studies achieve that. Cohort studies re-confirm those over time.
All the attempts at logic, ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority, fear mongering, and conspiracy nut calling statements will never make your pronouncements and others like "scientific" or "proven effective" concerning flu vaccinations as a whole or swine flu vaccination here now specifically. I believe you to be sincere but lacking in this area. Again the science to which you run to 'infers' only. But that inference is inherently biasable. One study then poisons the next. This is science?
Lastly I'm not sure if you recognize the limits in the peer review process. Religiously believing in these magical institutions without question or knowledge about their failure modes is foolish. Nobody wants to do the science when it comes to the issue at hand while claiming it has been done already. When you prove it hasn't been done, they claim it's not necessary or unethical. Then it's the best we have so just shut up and attack the messenger. This is circular logic/Religious thinking.
where is ANY of this coming from? when have i personally attacked you? when have i made any appeals to authority aside from the peer review process, which you yourself proclaimed as evidence for scientific acceptance, nor did i make any statements calling anyone conspiracy nuts. but vaccines, like all medicine, DO still go through peer review, the process of MAKING vaccines (that is the methodology behind vaccinations) has been reviewed and tested on many occasions.
im more curious as to your OBJECTIONS to vaccination. would you object to washing your hands? there is only correlations studies showing washing your hands has an effect on preventing infections, there have been no double blind placebo tests. there have been flu tests whereby someone is vaccinated and then exposed to a flu strain and they showed a high resistance to that strain opposed to those who were not (known as a control)there are high correlations between vaccinations and not getting sick
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"we administered CAIV-T, trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo to 103 adults in randomized double-blind fashion, and then challenged those subjects who had pre-screening serum hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers of 1:8 or less with wild-type influenza viruses corresponding to the strains contained in the vaccine." from page.
and its true correlation does not imply causation...but its a good hint. the vaccination process, to my knowledge works by introducing a weakened version of the virus for the body to fight off, when the body fights off a virus it becomes immune to it, thus it fights it off in the future. vaccination has been shown to work time and time again (from curing polio to stopping many epidemics) but even if they werent, even if it were just a shown correlation, whats the harm in vaccinating yourself?
as i see it vaccination, proper hygiene, and self administered quarantine when sick are just normal things to do. vaccinations, washing your hands, covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough, avoiding contact with others or seeking a doctor when sick...these are just common practices before, during, and after being sick. and they are all simply correlated..and they are all recommend by the world health organization. and there is no logical reason NOT to.
You infecting somebody else and they infect somebody else and that person then dies. Is this supposed to be some news on how viruses work? If you have the symptoms stay home and in 9/10 you'll be fine. Don't take the shot which is unproven and do damage to yourself. It would be different if everybody around you were dropping dead like flies, then I'd say take it. That is not happening, is it?
Anyway, we agree on the need to be aware and cautious, OstadJim.
I don't argue the need to educate a largely ignorant public on the dangers of this flu. I fight it and its effects every day in my ER. We need to gear up for better prevention all around, in every country, for all health problems.
I'm merely stating my reticence to foist a questionable at best attempt to deal with a bad virus upon a public that is still not properly educated but very actively scared by media blitzing.
That's all I'm pointing out, as well as the need for more time to prove the product.
And maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but I'm hoping we can someday educate the masses without having to *media blitz* them into doing the right thing.
I'm not arguing that point, OstadJim. I reiterate: ANY virus can mutate with enough genetic permutations. Obviously. The concept of pandemic is based on its ability to spread. Should we be aware? YES! Should we be cautious? YES! Should we jump onto the bandwagon and let ourselves be shot up with a vaccine the makers freely admit isn't even close to being tested for safety and efficaciousness?
NO!
That's all I'm saying, here.
BTW, the "legal pre-emptive" bs is great for the company.
My high school graduation present was watching Nixon go down in flames, demonstrating once and for all for the entire world that just because a man gets elected to that office he may not be fit for it.
The issue stands:
An untried product being sold by fear-mongering.
And BTW, majority opinion doesn't mean shit, even if it *is* European.
After all, Hilter was *really* elected by the majority, unlike W., so don't call the kettle black...
I have been a skeptic all my life and find that when people make up their minds, no amount of evidence works to change that.
Read up on exactly what the hell the letters and numbers actually *mean* : H1N1.
This is not the end of the world. *Any and ALL strains of flu* COULD mutate into killer viruses EVERY time ANYONE gets sick. (excuse the caps, no ability to use italics here)
I restate:
This vaccine has not been proven to *prevent* this strain.
"Here is a product that the manufacturers clearly state they have not tested to their *own* satisfaction so they are not going to sell it unless they are relieved from *all* legal repercussions. The flu the product is supposed to protect me from is not that bad a flu. Am I comfortable with subjecting myself to an untried product just to give myself the *illusion* of protection?"
Individual succeptibility isn't the dangerous aspect of this. Flu vaccines are meant to provide immunity to the population and prevent the virus from spreading. The more it spreads, the more dangerous the situation becomes.
Remember, this is the media/government that told you, "There are weapons of mass destruction over there and hey, they hate us because we're free!"
We are being told to take an untried product on the off *chance* the flu might get serious by a media that is run by corporations that stand to profit quite handsomely from the sale of such products.
Screw the US government. You guys have been led by a lying, deceitful, and idiotic leader for the last 8 years. Now, you've elected a Harvard graduate. It's possibly the one good move the US has made in the... well... last 8 years.
Every other country in the world (Aside the UK, who are like the US of Europe) is in favour of the shot, because we don't have the paranoid conspiracy theorists running the news channels. Instead, we get news from generally very reliable sources.
This statement is a belief, not fact, neither is it supported from within these areas. Journalism is a dying art globally. Yup we have some paranoid conspiracy theorist running around in these hills. A thinking human can scone information from any source trusting none. Verify all information you receive from any source. That said, the quality of information outside the US tends to be better even though the propaganda and bias is still there. Statistics are still made to tell lies...
I don't know about all that. There's no single conglomerate called "the media" or controlling the media.
Health organizations rightfully emphasized the pressing nature of this outbreak and news organizations simply echoed the sentiments. News anchors aren't virologists, so I don't expect detailed explanations from them. The sense of urgency just needs to get out, and that's it.
If the information gets distorted by word of mouth, I don't know how you can blame it on a government conspiracy.
By no means do I wish to convey the concept of a conspiracy, OstadJim. No nefarious cigarette-smoking men hovering in the background while dirty deeds are perpetuated on an unsuspecting public.
The public is generally so stupid it's simply not necessary, anyway...
Like this instance of fear-mongering over a flu that *might*, just *might*, if it spreads quickly and far enough, kill some people.
All I'm saying is, this is being rushed out untried, and legally free of consequences.
Please read up on the amount of people this vaccine was *tried* on, OstadJim.
Statistically speaking, the results are equivalent to no results.
Time is needed, period.
BTW, I know you've noticed that the entire world is in an economic depression, the climate is going straight to shit, there are wars over no other reason than grains of sand and drops of oil, etc.
It's just a legal pre-emptive action. They're planning on releasing it in November. See, Science likes to have reliability and results on it's side, so they continue running tests until they can be absolutely sure that nothing can happen. The danger from any vaccine is the same no matter what, your body reacts as if it actually has the disease through a psychosematic reaction (Self induced). They want to reduce that event as much as possible, but the shot itself is fine.
Yes, good vaccines have done no less than save the human race from very horrible ways to die. But they were vaccines that were very carefully tested and proven *before* they were given to the populace.
I have my share and I made damn sure my children got the same. Vaccines do not cause autism, they save lives.
But if you feel free about being a guinea pig for a virtually untested vaccine on the *possibility* that the virus *might* mutate, hey, it's your life!
It's very odd when we consider that the companies that make the 'vaccine' freely admit it hasn't been tested up the usual rigor which most vaccines are and yet they are still going to distribute it.
But they are NOT going to take any legal responsibility for any side effects...
And then we get this:
If enough people get infected, it *could* mutate into a killer virus.
That's how evolution works. The faster a virus spreads, then the faster it reproduces. The more a virus reproduces, the more mutations will exist, and the more likely it is that one of these mutations will be deadly. That's the point of of making the population immune to it. So that it stops spreading and the chances of mutation goes down drastically.
This strain has already spread to pandemic proportions, so the chances of it spreading more are very high.
No need to tell me that, OstadJim, my undergrad degree is in evolutionary biology. My point is, selling a basically untried product on the *chance* of a killer mutation smacks of very dishonest marketing.
When medical personnel are told to LIE about their patients to "help the public stay aware" of the risks of swine flu, my bullshit detector goes into overdrive.
You can sell a hell of a lot of very questionable shit to the public on the fear of *it could get bad, folks!*
You can use that logic: "it *might* mutate into a killer virus if enough people are infected" with literally every single virus and bacteria in existence.
That is called fear mongering.
Yes, it's the flu.
Yes, stay clean, eat healthy, exercise regularly, do all the things healthy people do and you are very, very unlikely to get it. And if you do, drink lots of fluids, stay away from others, and you will GET OVER IT!
Only if you are already immunocompromised are you at any real risk.
Fine then go line up. I have probably had H1N1 about 3 times now, and think of this the common cold could evolve into the worlds deadliest virus tomorrow. How does that make it different from H1N1?
I was with you until 4:50 when you moved from the world of reality to the world of speculation. Swine flu is not a deadly disease. That doesnot mean it could not become one or that getting vaccinated is a bad idea. But it is up to you to decide. Perhaps one reason for getting vaccinated could be that people in your area prefer not to and that worries you.
I suppose the term 'deadly' is subjective. I was referring to it in the sense of 'Terminal illness'. Which it is not. People who get it are not automatically going to die. In fact only 2% of the people who got it have died. Also add to it the risk of actually contracting the disease, how easy is it to contract. A deadly disease would be one that is highly contagious and causes almost certain death. Bubonic plague maybe or small pox.
I am sorry but its that simple its not hard. Dont give me that oh its too expensive most all places have free clinics. Urgent care places are usually under $100 and a number of doctors will help out uninsured people you need ask.
People are stupid your friend your mom and your cousin are not a doctors so why take their advice?
This is how people die from pneumonia or walk on a "sprained" foot for a week. You know your body but don't be stupid please seek medical help before u die.
The virus is a dead virus. DEAD, folks. My wife WORKS in the healthcare field. She would know. People, do your research before opening your yaps. Young people, old people, and people with health issues are at the most risk, however, you certainly don't want to spread it to these people.
I am on your side but using an appeal like my wife or cousin or whatever weakens your statement.
I don't want to come across like a mean spirited person. These people will see that and think your a brain washed shill or are getting paid off or something of the sort.
You bring nothing to the conversation, i have talked to many anti-vaccination people most are vastly smarter than you and at least try to bring their facts to the table. You are just an angry scared person who can't take criticism.
Go back to the loving embrace of the fear monger alex jones. Oh i also dare you to watch some of the old alex jones stuff like the y2k stuff its just plain great.
I'm not scared, nor angry. I agree, Alex Jones is a little paranoid and a fear monger. If he was a CIA agent, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean he is still alive. Kind of weird. Anyways, I think it is also weird that the more vaccines we have, the more diseases we create. Vaccinations have been around since 1918 and the list of disease just keeps growing. Yet, the swine flu is the big one?!? Where you are only sick for a few days and recover. Yet, I need to be vaccinated?
Sorry MrTheallknowing, I call bullshit when I see it. And I see it on the horizon. So, again, if you want to go get the H1N1 vaccine, go ahead. Line up, take a number, and roll up your sleeve. I'm not going to stop you. I PROMISE. Because I figure if you're that dumb, maybe you should die.
The data/proof on vaccinations being unsafe is there. It's not hiding and you know that. You need to look into both sides before you come up with a conclusion. You have a brain, correct? If so, then use it.
And I have a better chance of drowning in the tub than I do catching polio. I'm glad to see that someone as sweet as you, would want me to catch such a disease. Yet, you're not evil?
well if you knew how to comprehend what you just said i would not have to make this reply but whatever.
Why do you think you wont get polio? Because people were tired of seeing crippled children. You know what they did? Made a vaccination and went gang busters with it, inoculating everyone in sight. Guess what it worked.
I said that i am not evil showing that i don't want you to actually get it. Did you seriously not get that? I just think your trying to troll me now.
I have read both the wakefield and halsey studies.
Wakefield tried to link vaccinations to autism he could not. He was also paid $1mil to find this link by a lawyer who wanted to sue vaccination manufactures. He falsified data lied about his links to the lawyer and had 10 of the 12 co-authors pull out of that paper, as well be investigated many many times.
I know both sides its you who is blind.
Answer me this what proof do you want to show that vaccines are safe?
"Answer me this what proof do you want to show that vaccines are safe? "
Randomized double blind placebo studies. Open and peer reviewed. That should be the standard for all medicine, period.
Different vaccines have different risk profiles. To state vaccination is 'safe' isn't true. Quite a few medicines show little benefit over placebo could this also be the case with some vaccines? If not what makes vaccines 'immune' from this effect and or scientific inquiry?
They are by no means exempt from any thing. If they were i would be protesting them even more that you are.
Most research had been done many times over. Its been done so many times that its simply understood that vaccines work and are very low risk.
Please google Vaccine 21: 17691775 its very informative.
After Canada implemented a policy of vaccination for all people they saw a 50%-75% reduction in hospitalization rates . Don't believe me watch the pub cast for it.
This is another example of Cohort studies having an imprint-able bias. Having read it the 50-75% reduction would came from all causes! What a miracle! Vaccines stop slip and fall hospital visits too! Statistics doesn't seem to be a strong point for most apparently.
i'm not at all paranoid .... all of the diseases i mentioned are objectively there -- or have nearly been eradicated purely cause of vaccines
and the swine flu isn't still as widespread as to cause any kind of panic - but the whole point behind the vaccine is that it doesn't spread and probably mutate ... it's better to prevent fire than to fight it later....
the ones that dismiss things out of hand as crap don't interest me...
No... that's not what a vaccine is. Frankly, I'm thinking an informative video on the human immune system is required because without an understanding of that, vaccines probably don't make as much sense.
Wait, what? I'm'up my own arse' because I expect you to be educated before you criticize scientific understanding? You just look stupid. IF you really want to try and criticise this video or the vaccine, atleast learn a few things about it.
Okay. I'll accept that now. Until then, go line up with the rest of the sheep. We'll see the truth later. Then we can come to an agreement on who is the idiot.
thanks for spreading your irrational ignorance concerning the flu shots and science in general. you are surely a detriment to society and weight that truly helps impede human advancement upwards. good job on your negative existence!
See, implying that the government would back or even tolerate a massive, sinister and ridiculously ineffective conspiracy like that says a lot about how your mind... well,'works', for lack of a better word.
Of course it doesn't. Far from it, I'm sure. I'm just pointing out that orchestrating for an ineffective vaccine to be released, let alone one that is actually just a little bit dangerous, is a pretty pointless thing to do.
It's possible (but unlikely) that They were behind 9/11, and if they _were_ behind that, there was at least a purpose to it. The state clearly hijacked the aftermath and passed a bunch of sinister laws. But a slightly dangerous vaccine? Come _on_! There's just no point to it!
I completely forgot that viruses have a higher potential to evolve than other organisms, since they are the most common 'living' biological thing in the world and more susceptible to mutations, thus easily able to adapt to the conditions of their host.
There is so much disinformation about the H1N1 vaccine (and others) by people with a very specific agenda. Won't mention names but it rhymes with Clientology. yup.
What I can speak of personally is surviving the 1969 Hong Kong flu outbreak (I was 2) and it nearly killed me. Lost half my body weight and came very close to death. The H1N1 is more virulent and could potentially kill a lot more people than that one did.
Yes a number of the vaccines will be given out in spray form.
Not sure how you would find out if its the spray or shot. I say just call your local doctor and ask when and or if you could get one. You will have to wait no doubt but this way your protected, better late then never.
Apparently the big worry now is not vaccinating ppl for their safety, its to reduce the quantity of the virus in the biosphere. The more of the stuff there is, the higher the chances of a mutation into something new and deadly which again no one has immunity to. This is basically what happened in 1918.
Sure we have better healthcare now.... but we also have air travel.
No, actually it's yours. You haven't even specified anything in my video. I'm not even asking you to back up your assertion, I just want to know at what point is what I'm presenting, disinformation.
To imply methylmercury would most certainly be insane.
Ethylmercury on the other hand, has a completely different structure and function. Cited in the video itself, a study which injected large groups of adults with 20,000 times the amount of ethylmercury found in vaccines, found no harmful side-effects.
Play with fire and your ass will get burnt. Take a triad then asshole, if its so safe. And while your at it, take some aluminum grind it up, and use that shyt as seasoning for your food, and lets see how long you last.... Dumb ass!!!! And by the way most doctors wont go near a vaccine..... so what in the hell does that tell you? Have you seen that wrinkle bitch Sibelius take the vaccine?....Hell No!!!!
Most doctors? I'm afraid you're mistaken. It's the minority that won't take the vaccine.
The amount of aluminum you get from a vaccine is also extremely insignificant. You get more from drinking a can of pop than you do from a vaccine.
And it's not playing with fire. Methylmercury is responsible for neuron disruption, but ethylmercury has an entirely different structure, which allows it to be filtered by the kidneys and excreted easily. The reason it's in the vaccine is as a preservative.
are you reasoning ethylmercury to be 'safe'? If so where are those studies? I can't find them. I can quickly find them on toxic effects and neuronal damage. Hmmm, returns easier to our water system via urine. Does it just keep getting worse while someone tells me toxic sludge is good for me?
Wow, gotta love HowTheWorldWanks. Good video, friend. Keep informing the rest of us savages. Maybe if the nutters don't get vaccinated we'll see a little natural selection at work, eh?
thing is...geerup was expecting only one thing on the list... either, a small piece of the bible, OR holy water. if it doesn't have any of the two things listed above, chances are, it's dangerous to your health.
Yesterday I got my - free - shot against the seasonal flu and will get the swine flu vaccine at the end of the month. This is to prevent the "normal" and the swine flu virus combining into something more lethal.
People at my GP were actually COMPLAINING that the swine flu vaccine is not available yet. This is continental Europe. What is wrong with US and UK citizens?
I still believe the swine flu is overhyped. Any virus can be considered potentially more dangerous due to highter chances of mutation. But how much resources can we put into making vaccines for all potentially more dangerous mutated viruses out there? Must people start being very scared of the common cold virus or any other? I'll just argue that people need to develope healthy habits to combat potentially more dangerous viruses.
Hypothetical question: suppose a scientist discovered a virus from a monkey. He extracted the virus and shown that it can be transmitted into humans. He does not know the extent of its deadliness but like all viruses, they can potentially mutate and maybe even cause an epidemic one day. Is it worth to make a vaccine for this? Also, is it worth trying to discover all viruses out there and make vaccines?
Lastly, it's nice to see you make a video again. ^^
This is great information. Everyone needs a flu shot to stop the next flu that could kill us all, just because one unvaccinated idiot wants to spoil it for everyone. I too work for vaccine manufacturing pharmaceutical company and I can give you the inside industry facts that no one has ever been harmed by vaccination. There are a lot of people out there who want some special attention and invent side effects. Just look at Desriee Jennings!
Say No to fools, and say Yes to vaccination for all!
HumanSayNo 11 months ago
Did you get the shot?
sensenrox30 2 years ago
@sensenrox30 Not yet available for my group yet. Primary concern groups are being vaccinated first (pregnant women, children under 6 years old, and those with respiratory problems like asthma). When the shot is available for me, I will be getting it.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
@ThinkAbout1t That crap (vaccine) almost killed my perfectly healthy mother.
Oh wait and my friend. I don't believe swine flu is anything to be scared of. Unless you've a weak immune system, or have had the vaccine of course. Let's not forget we were on level 6 pandemic alert. What became of that? put bluntly, fuck all.
For the sake of it i'll tell you.
My dad is a doctor.
He confirms he isn't getting the vaccine
Never has, never will.
Neither will the other doctors in the group he works with.
ninjatakedow 5 months ago
To be honest bro the last guy you show in the video seems to be majorly jealous........
ninjatakedow 5 months ago
Thanks for posting this..
do NOT vaccinate your kids or pets EVER!!!!
lonchecaliente 2 years ago
P.S. You need a shot, in the mouth!!!.. Tard!!
EZSEEK 2 years ago
Next time you want to say something back to someone and you "think it's a thought", simply let it go you zit head cock smoking frigen retard.. You come backs to a comment need help more then your diction you think that works.. Also if you where here, I would rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat jack ass..
Say pass in this room, and I mean in a crackhead pip way, like this zit turd before u all...
EZSEEK 2 years ago
I'm amused that you used HTWW in your video, especially because he ridiculously smug and without much empirical evidence. Though I can see why you DID use him.
I just wouldn't reccomend it. Lee Doren isn't very credible.
Hellsadvocate 2 years ago 3
Scientific research fail.
br3ntor 2 years ago
I agree.
Conspiracy theories at thier best. A large failure.
Hellsadvocate 2 years ago
Explain why, or admit being a troll. This is all just basic bio. Heck, you're saying that the James Randi Educational Foundation, hosting staff of whom a large portion contributes to the very scientific research you call fail, fail at researching.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
No point in taking the vaccine for me anymore, as I have the swine flu now. I'm pretty sick, but it isn't all that bad. But how bad it is or how bad you think it is, varies from one person to another of course. : )
winterstellar 2 years ago
Thats a long long long long long list.
Man why are things so compilcated, it makes my tiny pee sized brain hurt. AWARGH! Must be shtuppider! AWEGH must be dumb.
I hate fucking retards like that, go get a education.
And You sir have earned yourself a subscriber.
Remscar 2 years ago 3
thats conspiracy theorists for you. Debunke the shit out of them and all they do is say oh your wrong or it was put there by the evil government
doomsday800 2 years ago 2
You are 20 something years old and you think speak as if you know everything about the swine flu but i have a few questions.
You say the media says you shouldn't get the flu shot, what media are you listening to? They do nothing but push the flu shot.
You seem to spend a lot of time spreading your pro-flu shot agenda, do you get paid for this or something? We all know the drug companies are making a fortune out of this.
jhive23 2 years ago
Yes, you caught me, I'm not a bio undergrad at all, I've been hired by big name pharmaceuticals with my incredible youtube views, to help push the drug onto the masses.
If you'll look through the comments here, you can see how many people are opposed, and they'll usually tell you to go watch some video about either a cheerleader getting a flu shot and developing dystonia 10 days later, or talking about how mercury is going to kill us, or how the government is blah blah blah.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
Roflmao at "pro-flu shot agenda"! Yeah, he's getting paid, that's the only reason anybody would disagree with you.
Damn it, that's just too good. I'm going to get "pro-flu shot agenda" on a t-shirt.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago 3
I also work for big pharmaceutical companies, they pay me millions just to spread the word about how great the flu shots make you feel.
Flu-Shotz® cured my AIDS & cured my impotence!
On a real note, if you don't believe pharmaceutical companies , just do a spectral analysis of the liquid & you get the same results as they publish....
madjimms 1 year ago
@madjimms You'll also get the same gaping void of actual evidence.
ninjatakedow 5 months ago
H1N1 is such a mild flu it's almost comical. Hospitals jammed with panicked idiots being sent home. Way to go media.
Zaxxen69 2 years ago
Swine flu vcne. is monovalent, fluzone vacn is trivalent. there are subtle differences between the studied vaccines sited and the unstudied. On page 13 line 5 of the first insert listed on the CDC site, it states that it should not be given to pregnant woman unless a DOCTOR, not some Walgreens pharmacist, says the woman's condition necessitates the vaccine and it's risk. under the cancer an toxicity heading it states that this is unknown factor. pls read...you moron.
PowerofClarity 2 years ago
If you read the CDC site and it's posting of ingredients and guidelines that are in Pdf. format, you will see that 'Fluzone' is not the swine flu shot. In fact, the swine flu shot has not been studied, Fluzone effects were listed because it is a similarly formulated vaccine by the same company. Plus there are four different vaccinations. If you read the MedImmune insert on the CDC page, it confesses that it is LIVE virus and is to be given in the nose and that LIVE virus is shed for 3 weeks
PowerofClarity 2 years ago
i love how he like spits at 2:42, haha
bleclair0xx 2 years ago
your eye lashes are beautiful. not relevant but shit, there it is. lol.
RoxyHeartsYa 2 years ago
lmfao girls always tell me how lucky i am to have such nice eyelashes and i'm like okay wtf, hahaha it must be a dude thinG!
NewGameReleases 2 years ago
It is, males have bushier eyebrows and longer eyelashes because they produce more testosterone, and end up sweating more due to related activities. Thicker eyebrows and longer eyelashes are just ways of helping to keep sweat out of our peepers.
And thanks :)
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
haha thank you for delighting me with your eyebrows! lol jk
NewGameReleases 2 years ago
YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY, WELL LOOK UP "cheerleader get flu shot".. THEN JUST SAY GETTING THE FLU SHOT IS FINE. MAKE SURE TO GET YOURS NEXT.. MATTER OF FACT TAKE THE VIDEO OF IT..
EZSEEK 2 years ago
Ok. :)
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
You dumbshit. I don't care of the cheerleader immediately exploded into a million pieces after receiving a swine flu vaccination. You haven't even established correlation, let alone causation, and you've got no proposed mechanism. If your car breaks down on a windy day do you blame wind for it? God almighty, some people are dumb. (Yes, I know I'm being rude and insensitive. I'm trying to overcome the "all canadians are friendly" stereotype and I've got an uphill battle. Dumbass.)
NoAntecessor 2 years ago 2
Oy! I'm Canadian, and we are friendly. Stop tarnishing our reputation!
We can always be blunt though. :)
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
I'll try to be a little less cranky, but the anti-vaccination crowd drives me nuts o.O
NoAntecessor 2 years ago 3
@NoAntecessor Why so scared?
ninjatakedow 5 months ago
Swine flu is just distraction so all the focus is not on the economy. Michael Jackson's death, day in, day out, was just another topic so the economy wasn't front and center. The media is this country is disgusting, to say the least. Let's hear real news on the news networks.
czubspenx 2 years ago
This guy is a fucking dumb ass. "If you can get the shot think about it" Yeah I'll take this dumb asses word for it.
Do Not get the fucking swine flu vaccine!!!! The flu is the least of our problems right now!! the new world order is emerging and attacking our civil liberties and our rights as human beings that's what we should be afraid of and doing something about right now!!!!! not worrying about the fucking flu!!!!!!!
enmity666 2 years ago
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And how do you know this? What evidence do you have to support the idea of a new world order emerging?
*What assumptions do you make in doing so?
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
Wow, fear mongering as science? People die from the common cold...what's the moral of you passing on ANY germ. Less than six degrees of separation to an imunno compromised individual who might die from your arrogance. Can you say "double blind placebo studies"...then talk about science because NONE have been done from flu vaccine because somehow it would be "unethical" (industry). People hold beliefs on many strange things. What would it look like if you were one here? How would you know?
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
The idea of perspectives is always an interest to me. In the same way that I see flu vaccine as a good idea, others see it as terrible. The difference is evidence (and again, they'd be saying the same thing, provided they're informed individuals). But the difference in evidence, is it's source.
Scientific studies regarding the ingredients of the vaccine debunk their claims about harm from the vaccine. Studies regarding the vaccine itself won't have come out yet, it's brand new. But we know...
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
agreed the studies have not been done on this newest flu vaccine. One would assume without proof of efficacy AND lack of harm it would not be tested on an open population. Flu vaccines in themselves are NOT new, however, those studies have not been done all these intervening decades. Still no double blind placebo control, peer review or otherwise has been done. Where is the science behind your claim? There isn't any. It's a belief based on correlation from inherently bias prone cohort studies.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
"But the difference in evidence, is it's source"-ThinkAbout1t
I would suggest methodology and raw data access and disclosure multiples more significant than source.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
everything that's in it already, and we know what effects it can have on the body.
That's how I know. Because I don't take my info from public news, or from any non-peer reviewed source of information. I take my info from places without susceptibility to bias.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
**correction** should have read: ...proof of "flu" vaccination efficacy.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
I just think youre hot.
Phattysommaz13 2 years ago
"I take my info from places without susceptibility to bias" -ThinkAbout1t
Taken at face value a critical and thinking person would have to read that you have absolutely NO sources!
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
The list is not only long, it has words with more then two syllables in them, that's way too much for poor Geerups tiny little brain to cope with.
eals524 2 years ago
maybe two-syllable words are too long for Geerup to handle, but you have a problem even spellinga one-syllable word within the sentence of your comment. Now, can your brain cope with the task of finding that word or you want me to tell you?
firstavailable 2 years ago
Well excuse me for making a typo Mr grammer-nazi.
eals524 2 years ago
I can't seem to find the video of Geerup with that list of ingredients. Do you have a link to it
jcurious 2 years ago
Omg someone actually did research on a subject, instead of just ranting on about something they have no knowleadge of!?!? What is the internet coming to!!!
YoiBoi285 2 years ago
swine flu fail?
tomtheshaman 2 years ago
NO WAY! I'm taking the Swine Flu Vaccine.
FlixCreEightR 2 years ago
you kinda look like that guy from the office...even talk like him...anyhow...while its not a point i havent heard before, its still a good one nevertheless. i think its a common reaction of people when everyone else is worrying about something there will be a portion of them who will resist going along at all lengths, who will avoid taking measures to avoid it just for the sake of not going with the crowd.
also i think there is the natural aversion to prevention. deal with it afterwards
tuseroni 2 years ago
...refusing vaccination is prevention
firstavailable 2 years ago
refusing vaccination is NOT prevention, its quite literally doing NOTHING. its ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. and i dont think i would care nearly as much were it not for the fact that they could work to SPREAD the infection to many other people...if it was just some idiots killing themselves i wouldnt care, im all for death by stupidity, but not when it threatens others.
but what i was saying earlier is many people prefer to deal with things AFTER they happen (cont)
tuseroni 2 years ago
you see prevention takes effort, takes time, takes money, you have to keep on top of things and take time out of your schedule to deal with this, you have to change your patterns, etc. ive also noticed this true of computer security. there are many things people do not do, even when they are told to, simple things that could save their data, hardware, and personal information. but that would take constant work, they would rather ignore it and cross that bridge when they get to it.
tuseroni 2 years ago
I'm glad you understand computer security so hears an analogy. Flu vaccination without scientific data [peer reviewed double blind placebo trials] is equivalent to "security through obscurity". Hard open standards encryption and open standards policy beats it every time. The science always wins, flu vaccination is 'hope' without the science. For the record the default position towards medical claims is DISBELIEF. Proof is the responsibility of the proponent. There is no scientific proof thus far
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
Refusal is NOT prevention agreed. However, there is NO evidence that ACCEPTING is prevention either. The offered evidence is anecdotal. Gesticulating to the god of FLU vaccination with your outstretched arm offers no greater benefit (which can be scientifically claimed) than drinking yak piss or doing nothing at all, ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority instead of science notwithstanding.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
where do you get the idea that vaccination is NOT tested and NOT proven, do you mean this certain vaccine? do you mean ALL flu vaccines (the vaccines given for the myriad flu strains known) flu vaccines in general HAVE undergone peer review, and have been tested under controlled situations (not against a placebo as the placebo affect doesnt happen in non-human animals but against a control) and have been proven in many cases. all new vaccines are tested insomuch as they are needed.
tuseroni 2 years ago
and i say insomuch as they are needed because some may be rushed to meet increased demand and may not undergo years of research, but for any one vaccine they are tested to work and tested against a control. personally i think there is enough evidence FOR the effectiveness of vaccines to win out against doing NOTHING, it seems only logical that you SHOULD do it. same for washing your hands or reducing contact with others when you have the disease.
tuseroni 2 years ago
Because you assert a statement you believe and think is logical or rational doesn't make it so. Science demands evidence of efficacy not correlation. Correlated evidence is what people often rightly condemn conspiracy theorist of. A longitudinal study (Cohort) is by it's nature such a study and susceptible to this "conspiracy" type bias. All the studies you can offer me on the Flu vaccine are of this type. Search all you want but there are no others. It hasn't been done.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
A scientific claim of efficacy cannot then be made. One can only infer as a standard which has proven time and time again NOT to work. I'm not sure if you understand statistics or what can be 'proven' or 'inferred' from a control study and what become bias-able through design or accident. A "control" animal study does not PROVE scientific efficacy or safety in humans. Once animal safety is inferred: Placebo double blinded human studies achieve that. Cohort studies re-confirm those over time.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
All the attempts at logic, ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority, fear mongering, and conspiracy nut calling statements will never make your pronouncements and others like "scientific" or "proven effective" concerning flu vaccinations as a whole or swine flu vaccination here now specifically. I believe you to be sincere but lacking in this area. Again the science to which you run to 'infers' only. But that inference is inherently biasable. One study then poisons the next. This is science?
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
Lastly I'm not sure if you recognize the limits in the peer review process. Religiously believing in these magical institutions without question or knowledge about their failure modes is foolish. Nobody wants to do the science when it comes to the issue at hand while claiming it has been done already. When you prove it hasn't been done, they claim it's not necessary or unethical. Then it's the best we have so just shut up and attack the messenger. This is circular logic/Religious thinking.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
where is ANY of this coming from? when have i personally attacked you? when have i made any appeals to authority aside from the peer review process, which you yourself proclaimed as evidence for scientific acceptance, nor did i make any statements calling anyone conspiracy nuts. but vaccines, like all medicine, DO still go through peer review, the process of MAKING vaccines (that is the methodology behind vaccinations) has been reviewed and tested on many occasions.
tuseroni 2 years ago
im more curious as to your OBJECTIONS to vaccination. would you object to washing your hands? there is only correlations studies showing washing your hands has an effect on preventing infections, there have been no double blind placebo tests. there have been flu tests whereby someone is vaccinated and then exposed to a flu strain and they showed a high resistance to that strain opposed to those who were not (known as a control)there are high correlations between vaccinations and not getting sick
tuseroni 2 years ago
>there have been flu tests
OK, please where are those tests? Not BS antibody count, but actual cases of illness prevented.
Look up this atricle:
Does the Vaccine Matter?
What if flu vaccines do not protect people from dying—particularly the elderly, who account for 90 percent of deaths from seasonal flu?
vomit55 2 years ago
[tinyurl]/yge2w2l (obviously i cant post a link you will have to substitute the bracketed section for the tinyurl address)
"we administered CAIV-T, trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo to 103 adults in randomized double-blind fashion, and then challenged those subjects who had pre-screening serum hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers of 1:8 or less with wild-type influenza viruses corresponding to the strains contained in the vaccine." from page.
tuseroni 2 years ago
and its true correlation does not imply causation...but its a good hint. the vaccination process, to my knowledge works by introducing a weakened version of the virus for the body to fight off, when the body fights off a virus it becomes immune to it, thus it fights it off in the future. vaccination has been shown to work time and time again (from curing polio to stopping many epidemics) but even if they werent, even if it were just a shown correlation, whats the harm in vaccinating yourself?
tuseroni 2 years ago
as i see it vaccination, proper hygiene, and self administered quarantine when sick are just normal things to do. vaccinations, washing your hands, covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough, avoiding contact with others or seeking a doctor when sick...these are just common practices before, during, and after being sick. and they are all simply correlated..and they are all recommend by the world health organization. and there is no logical reason NOT to.
tuseroni 2 years ago
You infecting somebody else and they infect somebody else and that person then dies. Is this supposed to be some news on how viruses work? If you have the symptoms stay home and in 9/10 you'll be fine. Don't take the shot which is unproven and do damage to yourself. It would be different if everybody around you were dropping dead like flies, then I'd say take it. That is not happening, is it?
grumpone 2 years ago
Anyway, we agree on the need to be aware and cautious, OstadJim.
I don't argue the need to educate a largely ignorant public on the dangers of this flu. I fight it and its effects every day in my ER. We need to gear up for better prevention all around, in every country, for all health problems.
I'm merely stating my reticence to foist a questionable at best attempt to deal with a bad virus upon a public that is still not properly educated but very actively scared by media blitzing.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Hooray for media blitzing.
For the record, I don't advocate getting a vaccine that hasn't been released on the makers' schedule.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
That's all I'm pointing out, as well as the need for more time to prove the product.
And maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but I'm hoping we can someday educate the masses without having to *media blitz* them into doing the right thing.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Again,
I'm not arguing that point, OstadJim. I reiterate: ANY virus can mutate with enough genetic permutations. Obviously. The concept of pandemic is based on its ability to spread. Should we be aware? YES! Should we be cautious? YES! Should we jump onto the bandwagon and let ourselves be shot up with a vaccine the makers freely admit isn't even close to being tested for safety and efficaciousness?
NO!
That's all I'm saying, here.
BTW, the "legal pre-emptive" bs is great for the company.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Could you tell us how you really feel?
My high school graduation present was watching Nixon go down in flames, demonstrating once and for all for the entire world that just because a man gets elected to that office he may not be fit for it.
The issue stands:
An untried product being sold by fear-mongering.
And BTW, majority opinion doesn't mean shit, even if it *is* European.
After all, Hilter was *really* elected by the majority, unlike W., so don't call the kettle black...
Krocotto 2 years ago
I love this.
I have been a skeptic all my life and find that when people make up their minds, no amount of evidence works to change that.
Read up on exactly what the hell the letters and numbers actually *mean* : H1N1.
This is not the end of the world. *Any and ALL strains of flu* COULD mutate into killer viruses EVERY time ANYONE gets sick. (excuse the caps, no ability to use italics here)
I restate:
This vaccine has not been proven to *prevent* this strain.
What do you *not* get about that?
Krocotto 2 years ago
This one has spread faster than most so it is FAR more likely to mutate. It has been reached pandemic proportions. That's the whole point.
OstadJim 2 years ago
In the end, you need to ask yourself:
"Here is a product that the manufacturers clearly state they have not tested to their *own* satisfaction so they are not going to sell it unless they are relieved from *all* legal repercussions. The flu the product is supposed to protect me from is not that bad a flu. Am I comfortable with subjecting myself to an untried product just to give myself the *illusion* of protection?"
That's what it's about, folks: the *illusion*.
Just like airport security.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Individual succeptibility isn't the dangerous aspect of this. Flu vaccines are meant to provide immunity to the population and prevent the virus from spreading. The more it spreads, the more dangerous the situation becomes.
OstadJim 2 years ago
Again, OstadJim, you are lecturing to the choir.
Remember, this is the media/government that told you, "There are weapons of mass destruction over there and hey, they hate us because we're free!"
We are being told to take an untried product on the off *chance* the flu might get serious by a media that is run by corporations that stand to profit quite handsomely from the sale of such products.
Is your bullshit detector set to "Off"?
Caveat emptor, my friend, caveat emptor.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Screw the US government. You guys have been led by a lying, deceitful, and idiotic leader for the last 8 years. Now, you've elected a Harvard graduate. It's possibly the one good move the US has made in the... well... last 8 years.
Every other country in the world (Aside the UK, who are like the US of Europe) is in favour of the shot, because we don't have the paranoid conspiracy theorists running the news channels. Instead, we get news from generally very reliable sources.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
This statement is a belief, not fact, neither is it supported from within these areas. Journalism is a dying art globally. Yup we have some paranoid conspiracy theorist running around in these hills. A thinking human can scone information from any source trusting none. Verify all information you receive from any source. That said, the quality of information outside the US tends to be better even though the propaganda and bias is still there. Statistics are still made to tell lies...
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
I don't know about all that. There's no single conglomerate called "the media" or controlling the media.
Health organizations rightfully emphasized the pressing nature of this outbreak and news organizations simply echoed the sentiments. News anchors aren't virologists, so I don't expect detailed explanations from them. The sense of urgency just needs to get out, and that's it.
If the information gets distorted by word of mouth, I don't know how you can blame it on a government conspiracy.
OstadJim 2 years ago
By no means do I wish to convey the concept of a conspiracy, OstadJim. No nefarious cigarette-smoking men hovering in the background while dirty deeds are perpetuated on an unsuspecting public.
The public is generally so stupid it's simply not necessary, anyway...
Like this instance of fear-mongering over a flu that *might*, just *might*, if it spreads quickly and far enough, kill some people.
All I'm saying is, this is being rushed out untried, and legally free of consequences.
Why?
Krocotto 2 years ago
Well they've been doing trials since it was first discovered and vaccines were only approved this month, so it isn't exactly "untried."
And since this particular strain poses a greater threat than many in the past, the need to get a vaccine out is more urgent.
OstadJim 2 years ago
Please read up on the amount of people this vaccine was *tried* on, OstadJim.
Statistically speaking, the results are equivalent to no results.
Time is needed, period.
BTW, I know you've noticed that the entire world is in an economic depression, the climate is going straight to shit, there are wars over no other reason than grains of sand and drops of oil, etc.
Nice diversion, this "dangerous" flu, isn't it?
Krocotto 2 years ago
What Ostadjim said.
It's just a legal pre-emptive action. They're planning on releasing it in November. See, Science likes to have reliability and results on it's side, so they continue running tests until they can be absolutely sure that nothing can happen. The danger from any vaccine is the same no matter what, your body reacts as if it actually has the disease through a psychosematic reaction (Self induced). They want to reduce that event as much as possible, but the shot itself is fine.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
Just to stave off the knee-jerkers:
I am NOT anti-vaccine.
Read below that I have mine, made sure my kids got theirs, and I give them to my patients all the time.
But, I know that Doctors are not gods. They are subject to mistakes. Not everything they say should *ever* be taken at face value.
Learn about the product you are being told to use or take.
Learn about how it was made, how it was proven, how effective it may be and how much risk you are subject to with or without the product.
Krocotto 2 years ago
Yes, good vaccines have done no less than save the human race from very horrible ways to die. But they were vaccines that were very carefully tested and proven *before* they were given to the populace.
I have my share and I made damn sure my children got the same. Vaccines do not cause autism, they save lives.
But if you feel free about being a guinea pig for a virtually untested vaccine on the *possibility* that the virus *might* mutate, hey, it's your life!
Krocotto 2 years ago
It's very odd when we consider that the companies that make the 'vaccine' freely admit it hasn't been tested up the usual rigor which most vaccines are and yet they are still going to distribute it.
But they are NOT going to take any legal responsibility for any side effects...
And then we get this:
If enough people get infected, it *could* mutate into a killer virus.
Oh, puh-leeze!
You need some media savvy skepticism here.
*Think* about who is saying what about all this.
Krocotto 2 years ago
That's how evolution works. The faster a virus spreads, then the faster it reproduces. The more a virus reproduces, the more mutations will exist, and the more likely it is that one of these mutations will be deadly. That's the point of of making the population immune to it. So that it stops spreading and the chances of mutation goes down drastically.
This strain has already spread to pandemic proportions, so the chances of it spreading more are very high.
OstadJim 2 years ago
No need to tell me that, OstadJim, my undergrad degree is in evolutionary biology. My point is, selling a basically untried product on the *chance* of a killer mutation smacks of very dishonest marketing.
When medical personnel are told to LIE about their patients to "help the public stay aware" of the risks of swine flu, my bullshit detector goes into overdrive.
You can sell a hell of a lot of very questionable shit to the public on the fear of *it could get bad, folks!*
Krocotto 2 years ago
In the meantime, thousands of people are running around like moronic idiots afraid to even go outdoors because of the dreaded swine flu virus.
I have never, in all my years of nursing, seen such outright fabrication of fear over something that's nothing more than just another virus.
It's not a killer virus.
Yes, it *could* mutate into one.
But, we *could* also be hit by lightning.
We *could* get a lot of things.
But to hammer and hammer and hammer about this is very odd.
Krocotto 2 years ago
You can use that logic: "it *might* mutate into a killer virus if enough people are infected" with literally every single virus and bacteria in existence.
That is called fear mongering.
Yes, it's the flu.
Yes, stay clean, eat healthy, exercise regularly, do all the things healthy people do and you are very, very unlikely to get it. And if you do, drink lots of fluids, stay away from others, and you will GET OVER IT!
Only if you are already immunocompromised are you at any real risk.
Krocotto 2 years ago 2
I am an ER RN.
We have been told to declare any and all patients who show up at our ER with any flu symptoms H1N1 infected.
This is simply lying, period.
Why?
Who stands to benefit if medical personal are told to LIE?
The companies that manufacture the vaccine would not distribute it unless they were completely excused from any liability from any side effects.
Because it's 'going' to mutate if enough people are infected? What a patently absurd and alarmist statement!
Krocotto 2 years ago
Fine then go line up. I have probably had H1N1 about 3 times now, and think of this the common cold could evolve into the worlds deadliest virus tomorrow. How does that make it different from H1N1?
poisoness12 2 years ago
Many ingredients = bad.
Excellent argument, geerup.
kissfan7 2 years ago
Its about the long term effects of mercury.
I am against flu vaccines because I am a fan of Natural Selection.
The thing about vaccines is that it lowers the overall strength of your immune system because it can rely on outside sources for its strength.
TheLostRepublic 2 years ago
Erm, I think moron is the word that best describes you as a human.
JRBendixen 2 years ago 2
Excellent video!
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
I was with you until 4:50 when you moved from the world of reality to the world of speculation. Swine flu is not a deadly disease. That doesnot mean it could not become one or that getting vaccinated is a bad idea. But it is up to you to decide. Perhaps one reason for getting vaccinated could be that people in your area prefer not to and that worries you.
82abhilash 2 years ago
@"Swine flu is not a deadly disease?"
It was deadly for the 5000 people who have contracted and died of the disease so far.
MrCFruitfly 2 years ago 2
I suppose the term 'deadly' is subjective. I was referring to it in the sense of 'Terminal illness'. Which it is not. People who get it are not automatically going to die. In fact only 2% of the people who got it have died. Also add to it the risk of actually contracting the disease, how easy is it to contract. A deadly disease would be one that is highly contagious and causes almost certain death. Bubonic plague maybe or small pox.
82abhilash 2 years ago
People die from it, healthy people die from it.
Don't say, well they die from complications not the flu, how do you think they get the 36k annual death rate?
I am not saying its going to kill us all but, to act like its the normal flu is wrong.
If you get sick GO TO THE DOCTOR! (cruise control for cool)
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
Part 2
I am sorry but its that simple its not hard. Dont give me that oh its too expensive most all places have free clinics. Urgent care places are usually under $100 and a number of doctors will help out uninsured people you need ask.
People are stupid your friend your mom and your cousin are not a doctors so why take their advice?
This is how people die from pneumonia or walk on a "sprained" foot for a week. You know your body but don't be stupid please seek medical help before u die.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
The virus is a dead virus. DEAD, folks. My wife WORKS in the healthcare field. She would know. People, do your research before opening your yaps. Young people, old people, and people with health issues are at the most risk, however, you certainly don't want to spread it to these people.
LooseOnTheLonghorn 2 years ago 2
I am on your side but using an appeal like my wife or cousin or whatever weakens your statement.
I don't want to come across like a mean spirited person. These people will see that and think your a brain washed shill or are getting paid off or something of the sort.
Keep up the good work man.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
@BTek4
sure ... don't get any shots, get the measles, tuberculosis, polio ... collect them all - it's the latest craze ---- and a craze it really is...
symelian 2 years ago
OH NO!!! DEAR HEAVENS!!! THE SWINE FLU IS GOING TO GET ME!!!
Sorry, I'm not paranoid like you girls. Again, go line up. Take your number because that's all you will be. Another number.
BTek4 2 years ago
@BTek4
Fail troll is fail.
You bring nothing to the conversation, i have talked to many anti-vaccination people most are vastly smarter than you and at least try to bring their facts to the table. You are just an angry scared person who can't take criticism.
Go back to the loving embrace of the fear monger alex jones. Oh i also dare you to watch some of the old alex jones stuff like the y2k stuff its just plain great.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
I'm not scared, nor angry. I agree, Alex Jones is a little paranoid and a fear monger. If he was a CIA agent, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean he is still alive. Kind of weird. Anyways, I think it is also weird that the more vaccines we have, the more diseases we create. Vaccinations have been around since 1918 and the list of disease just keeps growing. Yet, the swine flu is the big one?!? Where you are only sick for a few days and recover. Yet, I need to be vaccinated?
BTek4 2 years ago
Sorry MrTheallknowing, I call bullshit when I see it. And I see it on the horizon. So, again, if you want to go get the H1N1 vaccine, go ahead. Line up, take a number, and roll up your sleeve. I'm not going to stop you. I PROMISE. Because I figure if you're that dumb, maybe you should die.
BTek4 2 years ago
few days? I have had many friends get it, all of them confirmed cases. most were sick for a few weeks not days.
We don't have more diseases just know what kills us rather than just "natural causes".
I would like to see some or any data you have on the lack of safety of vaccinations.
Dr. carly does not count she was kicked out for being crazy and i can back that claim up.
I kind of want to see you deal with polio and tell me how bad the government is, but i am not evil.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
The data/proof on vaccinations being unsafe is there. It's not hiding and you know that. You need to look into both sides before you come up with a conclusion. You have a brain, correct? If so, then use it.
And I have a better chance of drowning in the tub than I do catching polio. I'm glad to see that someone as sweet as you, would want me to catch such a disease. Yet, you're not evil?
BTek4 2 years ago
well if you knew how to comprehend what you just said i would not have to make this reply but whatever.
Why do you think you wont get polio? Because people were tired of seeing crippled children. You know what they did? Made a vaccination and went gang busters with it, inoculating everyone in sight. Guess what it worked.
I said that i am not evil showing that i don't want you to actually get it. Did you seriously not get that? I just think your trying to troll me now.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
Part 2
I have read both the wakefield and halsey studies.
Wakefield tried to link vaccinations to autism he could not. He was also paid $1mil to find this link by a lawyer who wanted to sue vaccination manufactures. He falsified data lied about his links to the lawyer and had 10 of the 12 co-authors pull out of that paper, as well be investigated many many times.
I know both sides its you who is blind.
Answer me this what proof do you want to show that vaccines are safe?
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
"Answer me this what proof do you want to show that vaccines are safe? "
Randomized double blind placebo studies. Open and peer reviewed. That should be the standard for all medicine, period.
Different vaccines have different risk profiles. To state vaccination is 'safe' isn't true. Quite a few medicines show little benefit over placebo could this also be the case with some vaccines? If not what makes vaccines 'immune' from this effect and or scientific inquiry?
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
They are by no means exempt from any thing. If they were i would be protesting them even more that you are.
Most research had been done many times over. Its been done so many times that its simply understood that vaccines work and are very low risk.
Please google Vaccine 21: 17691775 its very informative.
After Canada implemented a policy of vaccination for all people they saw a 50%-75% reduction in hospitalization rates . Don't believe me watch the pub cast for it.
Science it works!
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
This is another example of Cohort studies having an imprint-able bias. Having read it the 50-75% reduction would came from all causes! What a miracle! Vaccines stop slip and fall hospital visits too! Statistics doesn't seem to be a strong point for most apparently.
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
Well then, get a shot. I'm not going to stop you. Go line up.
BTek4 2 years ago
i'm not at all paranoid .... all of the diseases i mentioned are objectively there -- or have nearly been eradicated purely cause of vaccines
and the swine flu isn't still as widespread as to cause any kind of panic - but the whole point behind the vaccine is that it doesn't spread and probably mutate ... it's better to prevent fire than to fight it later....
the ones that dismiss things out of hand as crap don't interest me...
symelian 2 years ago
"it's better to prevent fire than to fight it later"
Yes, this is true. But fighting fire with fire is pointless and that is exactly what a vaccine is.
So, for the millionth time, Line up, take a number, and roll up your sleeve.
BTek4 2 years ago
No... that's not what a vaccine is. Frankly, I'm thinking an informative video on the human immune system is required because without an understanding of that, vaccines probably don't make as much sense.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
guess u have never been in a fire or know anything about it - as is the case with vaccines
cause u just made such a blunder statement to support you're case that it's funny actually :)
u can say it a millionth time or a trillionth time - you'd still be wrong ... educate yourself before arguing either for or against something...
symelian 2 years ago
EDUCATE YOURSELF.
Before trying to criticise molecular biology, medical studies, and all kinds of sciences, atleast show that you have some kind of understanding.
Please, have some logical sense.
SaveTheMockingbirds 2 years ago
SaveTheMockingbirds, please pull your head out of your ass.
And don't throw a bunch of theories at me. Theories that even you don't understand.
BTek4 2 years ago
Wait, what? I'm'up my own arse' because I expect you to be educated before you criticize scientific understanding? You just look stupid. IF you really want to try and criticise this video or the vaccine, atleast learn a few things about it.
Idiot.
SaveTheMockingbirds 2 years ago
I'm the idiot?
Okay. I'll accept that now. Until then, go line up with the rest of the sheep. We'll see the truth later. Then we can come to an agreement on who is the idiot.
BTek4 2 years ago 2
To BTek4
thanks for spreading your irrational ignorance concerning the flu shots and science in general. you are surely a detriment to society and weight that truly helps impede human advancement upwards. good job on your negative existence!
gje313 2 years ago 5
The truth hurts.
BTek4 2 years ago
Poor sheep. Well, go line up.
People that die from the flu, are the dumbasses that get vaccinated.
BTek4 2 years ago
See, implying that the government would back or even tolerate a massive, sinister and ridiculously ineffective conspiracy like that says a lot about how your mind... well,'works', for lack of a better word.
Rhamni88 2 years ago 3
Okay. Go line up. I'm not going to stop you. You're the same retard that believes the government tells you everything. Sad.
BTek4 2 years ago
Of course it doesn't. Far from it, I'm sure. I'm just pointing out that orchestrating for an ineffective vaccine to be released, let alone one that is actually just a little bit dangerous, is a pretty pointless thing to do.
It's possible (but unlikely) that They were behind 9/11, and if they _were_ behind that, there was at least a purpose to it. The state clearly hijacked the aftermath and passed a bunch of sinister laws. But a slightly dangerous vaccine? Come _on_! There's just no point to it!
Rhamni88 2 years ago
No point to it? Uh oh. Well, I guess you're in for a dirty surprise.
BTek4 2 years ago
It may not be as deadly, but it's still deadly.
I completely forgot that viruses have a higher potential to evolve than other organisms, since they are the most common 'living' biological thing in the world and more susceptible to mutations, thus easily able to adapt to the conditions of their host.
I'm more concerned now, thanks for the vid!
YoinkinatorX 2 years ago
Great video man 5 stars, tired of all the misinformation floating out there.
YoungThinkingAtheist 2 years ago
well done!
There is so much disinformation about the H1N1 vaccine (and others) by people with a very specific agenda. Won't mention names but it rhymes with Clientology. yup.
What I can speak of personally is surviving the 1969 Hong Kong flu outbreak (I was 2) and it nearly killed me. Lost half my body weight and came very close to death. The H1N1 is more virulent and could potentially kill a lot more people than that one did.
Don't let the clientologists win!
laysinwait 2 years ago
Just out of curiosity, where does one get a Swine Flu/H1N1 shot ???
Is the government or medical institutes providing the shots for free or are they relatively expensive?
gje313 2 years ago
Subscribed. Easily.
IvanMesniaa 2 years ago
@ 2:46 you spat!
eatenbyyou 2 years ago
SPLORT
Phelan666 2 years ago
I'm not getting the vaccine because I don't like Syringes. Unless the syringes are loaded with Heroin. Lovely, mouth watering, heroin.
Phily911 2 years ago 2
most are nasal mist. you can just call and ask what type they carry at the vaccination center.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
Are you sure about that??? Its just that I have a huge phobia of needles and if you're right then that would be great!
GavinJ06 2 years ago
Yes a number of the vaccines will be given out in spray form.
Not sure how you would find out if its the spray or shot. I say just call your local doctor and ask when and or if you could get one. You will have to wait no doubt but this way your protected, better late then never.
MrTheallknowing1 2 years ago
bravo... hit all the important points.
Apparently the big worry now is not vaccinating ppl for their safety, its to reduce the quantity of the virus in the biosphere. The more of the stuff there is, the higher the chances of a mutation into something new and deadly which again no one has immunity to. This is basically what happened in 1918.
Sure we have better healthcare now.... but we also have air travel.
Thunderf00t 2 years ago
And more people.
JesseWikipedia 2 years ago
I like you. You're smart.
monkaboy 2 years ago
Cheers
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
just in case anyone didn't know antifreeze is ethylene glycol
pruntyc01 2 years ago
Yup.
I just read off the pamphlet, and reminded people it came from an anarchist bookfair. They got a few things wrong.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
You are a asshole and a disinfo artist....!!!!
offthahook08 2 years ago
Which part of what I presented was disinformation.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
If you dont know then thats your problem not mines!!!!
offthahook08 2 years ago
No, actually it's yours. You haven't even specified anything in my video. I'm not even asking you to back up your assertion, I just want to know at what point is what I'm presenting, disinformation.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
To imply that mercury should be injected into the body is insane. You brained washed freak!!!!
offthahook08 2 years ago
To imply methylmercury would most certainly be insane.
Ethylmercury on the other hand, has a completely different structure and function. Cited in the video itself, a study which injected large groups of adults with 20,000 times the amount of ethylmercury found in vaccines, found no harmful side-effects.
Next question? I'm more than willing to answer.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
Play with fire and your ass will get burnt. Take a triad then asshole, if its so safe. And while your at it, take some aluminum grind it up, and use that shyt as seasoning for your food, and lets see how long you last.... Dumb ass!!!! And by the way most doctors wont go near a vaccine..... so what in the hell does that tell you? Have you seen that wrinkle bitch Sibelius take the vaccine?....Hell No!!!!
offthahook08 2 years ago
Most doctors? I'm afraid you're mistaken. It's the minority that won't take the vaccine.
The amount of aluminum you get from a vaccine is also extremely insignificant. You get more from drinking a can of pop than you do from a vaccine.
And it's not playing with fire. Methylmercury is responsible for neuron disruption, but ethylmercury has an entirely different structure, which allows it to be filtered by the kidneys and excreted easily. The reason it's in the vaccine is as a preservative.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago
are you reasoning ethylmercury to be 'safe'? If so where are those studies? I can't find them. I can quickly find them on toxic effects and neuronal damage. Hmmm, returns easier to our water system via urine. Does it just keep getting worse while someone tells me toxic sludge is good for me?
DarinBrownlee 2 years ago
Wow, gotta love HowTheWorldWanks. Good video, friend. Keep informing the rest of us savages. Maybe if the nutters don't get vaccinated we'll see a little natural selection at work, eh?
Nix ~
nixonfanatic 2 years ago
Nicely done.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
thing is...geerup was expecting only one thing on the list... either, a small piece of the bible, OR holy water. if it doesn't have any of the two things listed above, chances are, it's dangerous to your health.
aaron4820 2 years ago 2
Yesterday I got my - free - shot against the seasonal flu and will get the swine flu vaccine at the end of the month. This is to prevent the "normal" and the swine flu virus combining into something more lethal.
People at my GP were actually COMPLAINING that the swine flu vaccine is not available yet. This is continental Europe. What is wrong with US and UK citizens?
Kattarina98 2 years ago
the thing is these people don't relies that the doctors and nurse and any one working around the sick, old or new borns.
I am going to get it because i am trying to get in to a career working with the elderly and i need to be up to date on all my vaccinations
i am thankful for these videos because they really do help put my mind as easy.
vancharm 2 years ago
I still believe the swine flu is overhyped. Any virus can be considered potentially more dangerous due to highter chances of mutation. But how much resources can we put into making vaccines for all potentially more dangerous mutated viruses out there? Must people start being very scared of the common cold virus or any other? I'll just argue that people need to develope healthy habits to combat potentially more dangerous viruses.
ArchangelLegend 2 years ago
Hypothetical question: suppose a scientist discovered a virus from a monkey. He extracted the virus and shown that it can be transmitted into humans. He does not know the extent of its deadliness but like all viruses, they can potentially mutate and maybe even cause an epidemic one day. Is it worth to make a vaccine for this? Also, is it worth trying to discover all viruses out there and make vaccines?
Lastly, it's nice to see you make a video again. ^^
ArchangelLegend 2 years ago
very good video
i thought you'd never come back
redFISTofEUROPE 2 years ago
Woah woah woah, I totally spat a bit at 2:46
I'm gross.
ThinkAbout1t 2 years ago