I want all their collective bargaining cut! I am a nurse and I know nurses that are currently on unemployment yet those that work for our wonderful government brag about getting 37 hours of overtime. Tell me how that makes sense for us taxpayers? We not only pay for the person on unemployment we are also paying overtime for someone that not only gets time and a half, but benefits for all her hours. I know a Certified Nursing Assistant that made over $100,000 last year because of his overtime.
If my employer treats me like crap I'm getting a new job. I'm not going to 1) Put up with it, life's too short and 2) I'm not going to place my future in the hands of someone else in the form of some union. I'm more than capable of taking care of my own future. That's my mileage as a former union member, yours may vary.
"strongest civil service protections in the country?" employers can legally make employees work what, like 14 days straight? without a union if my job is on the line it will cost 800 bucks to fight for it...i don't have that kind of money. why stop at only 12.5% if it's way less than average...why not go 20% if it's "fair". and by the way scott, our wages are lower because our benefits are higher. i make 16.87 an hour after 5 years (minus 3% for furlough deductions). i can't afford another 8%...
@frogsoda let me clarify-not only to fight for my job but other simple things...such as getting disciplined when supervisors CLEARLY didn't follow their own policies drafted by administration...that would cost me 400 bucks to get my slate wiped clean. don't get the impression that unions exist just to keep the jobs of crappy workers...they're not. people get fired all the time. but anyways i pay a bit over 400 a year for union dues. i'd rather pay that 400 than continue to take pay cuts.
By the way, the unions AGREED to the monetary increases MONTHS ago, not the other way around. He wouldn't even meet with the unions (still has not, for that matter). Don't believe me? Listen to his sworn testimony on CSPAN during the Federal government's Government Reform Hearings. What comes out of his mouth, at first, I attributed to misinformation. Now I know better. They are down right lies and he knows and perpetuates them. Shame on him.
What is interesting is that Gov. Walker likes to tout reform and likes to smash public employees all while looking like he's some white knight out to save taxpayers. Do you notice he doesn't ever give any sources or references for anyone to check? That's because there aren't any. He is smoking Wisconsin and so many are falling for it. When, oh when will November get here?
It looks like some here are over looking the fact that, yes some may have a choice to join a union or not, BUT even if they choose NOT to join they can be forced to pay what is called "fair share" or "opt out" fees. These are usually equivalent or close to the same as the union dues. And deducted from each paycheck...not just one time.
@donna8982 The problem is that the employees that want to opt out, still benefit from the collective bargaining that the union has done. Working conditions, wages, hours, and vacation time are all things that the union helps negotiate and it would be unfair from some employees to reap the benefits without paying their fair share.
Way to spread misinformation as usual. Public employees already have the choice to be in a union. They can de-certify if they want.....THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR CHOICE. I don't like the government trying to make choices for me, that's the opposite of freedom Mr. Walker.
@Westproductionsvideo did you proof read this before you posted? Currently, you are either in the union or you aren't working at the public level. Under the new plan you would have a CHOICE to either stay in the union or use your dues for something els. That is REAL freedom. And it is truly freedom for taxpayers, whose hard earned dollars that go towards taxes aren't falling into the 100% partisan hands of uinon's and their leaders.
@beastygee Your tax money doesn't go to the unions, the union employees pay check goes to the union. Just the same way that your tax money doesn't go to pay for union members electricity or car payment. Should you get to decide what kind of car a public union member drives because its "your" tax money? No, it is theirs and their decison. Walker's plan takes away the bargaining power of the unions making them pointless, taht isn't freedom, thats a dictatorship.
@Westproductionsvideo so right now: MY TAX MONEY GOES TO THE UNIONS BECAUSE THE STATE/LOCAL EMPLOYEES HAVE NO CHOICE. No, I shouldn't decide what a public employee should drive (really stupid analogy, by the way). The employees SHOULD have the choice of being in a union or not. And right now, they don't have the ability to make that CHOICE. Therefore, there currently is LESS freedom.
@beastygee Did you know that all public unions in Wisconsin can de-certify by a vote of the members? If they didn't want to be in the union they don't have to have one. They are because they choose to right now. And its a perfect analogy, it compares two identical situations :)
@Westproductionsvideo Opting out of a union can be a very dangerous thing. Union thugs are around and they do install fear into you. I have seen this with a car dealer up in the chippewa falls area where BB guns were used to vandelise the cars drive by and just shoot out the car window at the dealer. Slashed tires also at night. Its not a good thing it even follows to workers homes.
I want all their collective bargaining cut! I am a nurse and I know nurses that are currently on unemployment yet those that work for our wonderful government brag about getting 37 hours of overtime. Tell me how that makes sense for us taxpayers? We not only pay for the person on unemployment we are also paying overtime for someone that not only gets time and a half, but benefits for all her hours. I know a Certified Nursing Assistant that made over $100,000 last year because of his overtime.
TheHEAVENLYLUV 8 months ago
this is the ugliest used car salesman I've ever seen.
schmittjoshua 8 months ago
@schmittjoshua Really? Is your life that boring that you have to post retarded comments like that?
snowgone 7 months ago
If my employer treats me like crap I'm getting a new job. I'm not going to 1) Put up with it, life's too short and 2) I'm not going to place my future in the hands of someone else in the form of some union. I'm more than capable of taking care of my own future. That's my mileage as a former union member, yours may vary.
runtimmytimer 9 months ago
"strongest civil service protections in the country?" employers can legally make employees work what, like 14 days straight? without a union if my job is on the line it will cost 800 bucks to fight for it...i don't have that kind of money. why stop at only 12.5% if it's way less than average...why not go 20% if it's "fair". and by the way scott, our wages are lower because our benefits are higher. i make 16.87 an hour after 5 years (minus 3% for furlough deductions). i can't afford another 8%...
iamjsmith83 9 months ago
@iamjsmith83 "without a union if my job is on the line it will cost 800 bucks to fight for it..."
Sooooo.... how much do you pay in union dues? Hopefully, you actually know how much.
frogsoda 9 months ago
@frogsoda let me clarify-not only to fight for my job but other simple things...such as getting disciplined when supervisors CLEARLY didn't follow their own policies drafted by administration...that would cost me 400 bucks to get my slate wiped clean. don't get the impression that unions exist just to keep the jobs of crappy workers...they're not. people get fired all the time. but anyways i pay a bit over 400 a year for union dues. i'd rather pay that 400 than continue to take pay cuts.
iamjsmith83 9 months ago
I have a question: why do you think feeding us this shit sandwich of union busting is a good thing.
robertmike57 9 months ago
By the way, the unions AGREED to the monetary increases MONTHS ago, not the other way around. He wouldn't even meet with the unions (still has not, for that matter). Don't believe me? Listen to his sworn testimony on CSPAN during the Federal government's Government Reform Hearings. What comes out of his mouth, at first, I attributed to misinformation. Now I know better. They are down right lies and he knows and perpetuates them. Shame on him.
spotschmoop 9 months ago
What is interesting is that Gov. Walker likes to tout reform and likes to smash public employees all while looking like he's some white knight out to save taxpayers. Do you notice he doesn't ever give any sources or references for anyone to check? That's because there aren't any. He is smoking Wisconsin and so many are falling for it. When, oh when will November get here?
spotschmoop 9 months ago
Walker is a fascist moron and a liar.
DaveBpt 9 months ago
It looks like some here are over looking the fact that, yes some may have a choice to join a union or not, BUT even if they choose NOT to join they can be forced to pay what is called "fair share" or "opt out" fees. These are usually equivalent or close to the same as the union dues. And deducted from each paycheck...not just one time.
donna8982 9 months ago
@donna8982 The problem is that the employees that want to opt out, still benefit from the collective bargaining that the union has done. Working conditions, wages, hours, and vacation time are all things that the union helps negotiate and it would be unfair from some employees to reap the benefits without paying their fair share.
Westproductionsvideo 9 months ago
Way to spread misinformation as usual. Public employees already have the choice to be in a union. They can de-certify if they want.....THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR CHOICE. I don't like the government trying to make choices for me, that's the opposite of freedom Mr. Walker.
Westproductionsvideo 9 months ago
@Westproductionsvideo did you proof read this before you posted? Currently, you are either in the union or you aren't working at the public level. Under the new plan you would have a CHOICE to either stay in the union or use your dues for something els. That is REAL freedom. And it is truly freedom for taxpayers, whose hard earned dollars that go towards taxes aren't falling into the 100% partisan hands of uinon's and their leaders.
What CHOICE do you have now?
beastygee 9 months ago
@beastygee Your tax money doesn't go to the unions, the union employees pay check goes to the union. Just the same way that your tax money doesn't go to pay for union members electricity or car payment. Should you get to decide what kind of car a public union member drives because its "your" tax money? No, it is theirs and their decison. Walker's plan takes away the bargaining power of the unions making them pointless, taht isn't freedom, thats a dictatorship.
Westproductionsvideo 9 months ago
@Westproductionsvideo so right now: MY TAX MONEY GOES TO THE UNIONS BECAUSE THE STATE/LOCAL EMPLOYEES HAVE NO CHOICE. No, I shouldn't decide what a public employee should drive (really stupid analogy, by the way). The employees SHOULD have the choice of being in a union or not. And right now, they don't have the ability to make that CHOICE. Therefore, there currently is LESS freedom.
beastygee 9 months ago
@beastygee Did you know that all public unions in Wisconsin can de-certify by a vote of the members? If they didn't want to be in the union they don't have to have one. They are because they choose to right now. And its a perfect analogy, it compares two identical situations :)
Westproductionsvideo 9 months ago
@Westproductionsvideo Opting out of a union can be a very dangerous thing. Union thugs are around and they do install fear into you. I have seen this with a car dealer up in the chippewa falls area where BB guns were used to vandelise the cars drive by and just shoot out the car window at the dealer. Slashed tires also at night. Its not a good thing it even follows to workers homes.
cnlfun4us 9 months ago